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123379 No. 123379 ID: 891b91

Wherein we discuss dead dust, and possibly other sorts of dust as well.
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No. 131692 ID: a0dfd2

>>131689

My in-world guess would be one of the fragments of our former self that Cider talked about, embodied in a "familiar" projection of our current self.

My meta-answer is a briefly available window into secrets that we should leverage if we wish to delve deeper into who and what we are, why we are this way, and what, precisely, happened for it to occur.

My "this is questden" answer is: after thinking about sex and our preferences, we're going to fantasize a version of ourselves that allows us to experiment (for the purpose of humor when Roz walks in on it) with either a guy or girl at our choosing, thus getting to build out more of Penny's character with regards to future relationships, based on reader feedback to Lizard Junk.
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No. 131693 ID: fd5772

>>131689
We're about to get a lead, partner. Next clue to the case! We're gonna talk to this thing right? And we're gonna talk to people about the fact we're hallucinating ourselves, just in case we're experiencing medical problems from erasing our ego that result in hallucinations.

Or maybe we're 'bout to get shocked that some people share our "body type", which would be weird since we haven't seen to two people who look the same since we left that building we woke up in.
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No. 131695 ID: 9e04c9

There's clearly a reason why the other Penny isn't wiggling. For instance, it could be that, because Penny has her eyes closed, that she's not seeing it. In which case, it's also possible that the other Penny isn't actually an illusion.

Actually, since Penny has her eyes closed, how would she know that there's someone there? Do our suggestions to interact even make sense right now?
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No. 131697 ID: a0dfd2

>>131695

Imagination
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No. 131847 ID: 404f0f

>>/quest/953251
>Omen doesn't respond.
It seems there are many things which it cannot talk about. Simply giving us a list of names would obviously be too easy hehe.

>Your surroundings melt away and reform, giving way to your will
Good. Now to summon a few naked males...
I'm kidding. I'm actually surprised that it worked so well. That Penny is mentally sound enough to do this and stay in control. It's as if she'd practiced in the past.

>Surprisingly, it doesn't bother you
Maybe it doesn't bother Penny, but it bothers me haha. I mean, in one's dream, your own body is usually one of the most easily defined and controlled things, so it's a bit strange that it would stay blurred. Maybe this is a result of some deeper repressed thing.

>A liar sleeps here
We can assume that it means Cider, but we can't be certain. It could be that with "here" it means this whole house, and even if it's the couch alone, it's possible that multiple people sleep here occasionally. I'd actually find it strange if Cider wouldn't occasionally enjoy some male or female company at night, so we can't know which specific person it is that Omen is referring to.

>We immerse in the shuddering expanse beneath.
Beneath, sub, subconsciousness. Most likely yes, a dreamscape.

>Intention floods the expanse. Directness at this distance would invite... interference.
The word interference here could mean that some third party could notice this communication. And interrupt or intercept it.
However, what most people seem to miss here is that, if we take the former sentence into account, what Omen could mean is the interference to the intention of this expanse. Where this expanse, Penny's dreamscape has a certain intention, a certain flow to it that shouldn't be disturbed. In other words, if Omen was more direct with its communication, it would simply wake Penny up, because instead of throwing water balloons, sending precise information would be like shooting nails into Penny's head.

So yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean that spying is involved.

>>/quest/953252
>You aren't quite desperate enough to have dream-sex with a monstrous doppelganger of yourself. You think.
If Omen knows all about Penny, then wouldn't it also know where all the Penny's G-spots are?

>Spiritual congress... would narrow the gap
Since this was a response to Penny having lewd thoughts about Omen, it could mean that spiritual congress, in this case, simply means some lovemaking. However, it could also mean a number of other things, such as recovering Penny's old memories, falling in love, reducing physical distance, exchanging ideas, feelings, creating friendship, etc. Should we be taking Omen on a date while in dreams?

As for "narrowing the gap", we can assume that it refers to the distance Omen mentioned previously, the distance, due to which it has to be cryptic with its communication. Of course, it's also possible that it means something else. Narrowing the gap, closing the gap, closing the hole... maybe Omen simply wants to plug Penny's h*les haha... I'm sorry.

>Powerful hands pull at the Gordian knot! The blade they cannot wield rests in your lap. Some seek to stay your hand, others to guide it... but few to cleave the knot in twain.
What Omen is saying here is that there seem to be three types of forces at play. The ones that want to control Penny's blade themselves, the ones that want to prevent her from using it, and the ones that want to use it to cut the knot.
In other words, the vast majority want to either use it for their own gain, or lock it away. But only a few want to use it for its original intended purpose. What the knot is, what the blade is, and who the forces actually are is anyone's guess however. But most likely they're not limited to within Vesper.

>how long do you have until Roz comes back?
Dunno, but from personal experience I can say that a few minutes in real life can stretch to a few hours in dreams.

In general, I like this update because it reveals a sort of a grand scheme of things, so a lot of food for thought. And I personally find Omen cute and pretty easy to understand. However, some readers may find it scary and its words confusing. I think that as long as the cryptic parts aren't too important to the story, that it should be fine.
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No. 131852 ID: a0dfd2

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that Omen / Dollar essentially has Roz's face?

Not entirely her dentition (canines are too pronounced for sharkface), but it could be a lot of subconscious projection going on.
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No. 131858 ID: 6a2d5d

dust tastes good
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No. 131874 ID: a0dfd2

>>131847

Gotta agree on most every count of your observations here!

Though oddly, as someone who experiences fairly regular lucidity (of varying degrees) in dreams, I find that a physical body or self is rarely if ever defined, so much as sensed, until it's necessary within the parameters of the dream.

... though that could be manifestations of various mental health issues, but my understanding of psychiatric influences upon the dreaming mind -- and equally how one's perception of the self, like the occasionally dissociative nature of dreams -- translates into unwaking perception.
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No. 131875 ID: fd5772

I think having sex with the apparition is a bad idea. I don't like the idea of strong psychic connection with someone we just met.

At least we now have reason to be suspicious of our own origins. No way we can stay locked up in Vespers.
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No. 131876 ID: e51896

>>131875
I agree, I can't help but feel this is a trap we're walking into. Everything has it's price after all, and I feel there is going to be a hefty price to pay if Penny continues.
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No. 131877 ID: 10c408

>>131876
Sadly, the votes didn't allow for this. My theory that Omen COULD in fact read our thoughts was proven, but now that spiritual congress has started, might as well get as much information as possible.
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No. 131879 ID: 404f0f

> >>131875 >someone we just met.
What you mean to say is that you don't think they're trustworthy, right? The thing is, even if we talked to Omen a hundred times, I don't think that this perception would change. This is because they can only communicate through dreams, so we'd always be limited in our ability to communicate with them, and their answers would always be ambiguous. Whether their answers turn out to be true or false would be something entirely up to our own interpretation (for instance, when they said that "a liar sleeps here", even if Cider told a lie, we don't know if it was Cider that Omen was talking about, or whether it was actually a lie) and due to this, it would be more or less impossible to prove that they're trustworthy even if they were trying to do that.

Since Omen's trustworthiness isn't something we can easily prove or disprove, the fact that they're someone we just met is not a useful argument we can consider in our decisions regarding them. In this case, waiting wouldn't do us any good and it would logically make more sense to make our decisions for Omen sooner. Also because if we decided sooner, we'd also get better information sooner.

> >>131876 >Everything has it's price after all
Considering Omen said that their job was to prepare us for the future, and since getting closer to them serves this purpose, it's possible to assume that that's all they want and that there's actually no negative consequences here. That there's no price to pay. Of course, we can't be sure of this.

I'd also like to point out that, unfortunately, we can't expect our old memories to just come flying by. If it was possible for the taffa syndrome sufferers to recover their old memories, then Vesper wouldn't be doing what they do, and you wouldn't have hospitals forcing artificially-constructed memories on people.

So yeah, it's a risk-reward thing. Omen clearly gave us a choice on whether we want to go through with this (which also implies that they can't really force it), so it's on us to weigh the pros and cons. Personally, I'd follow the old saying nothing ventured, nothing gained, simply go with it and not worry about it. If nothing else, it makes the story more interesting.

> >>/quest/953691 >>We're essentially becoming one
Omen said that "The memory is unforgettable". So I think it's more likely that this is about creating shared memories and not about becoming one.

> >>/quest/953760 >Our collective hornyness is pushing her into a situation that she clearly isn't 100% comfortable with.
While this may be true, it doesn't mean that it's a bad thing. There are several reasons.
- Life isn't so simple that you'd always be able to do only things which you're comfortable with, so this happening is nothing unusual
- It would make for a very boring quest if the characters were only doing comfortable things as there would be no action, no conflict, and no challenging situations
- The character is properly expressing our subconsciousness. They're following our suggestions and this is a simple result of that

Maybe you feel that we should be acting nicer to the character, and that's really nice of you, but by itself that has very little to do with the general appeal of the quest and the plot itself. At the end of the day, I think that pushing your personal moral worldview on other suggesters isn't a good idea and that your dilemma would instead be more easily solved through suggestions for Penny. For instance, if you simply suggested that Penny enjoys her time with Omen, wouldn't that actually cause her to be more comfortable?

> >>/quest/953763 >losing all agency within a situation wherein we are no longer certain of our own consciousness
Since we were able to make a conscious choice to change our surroundings, I think it's pretty much proven that we're both conscious and that we have agency. Therefore, I disagree with the implications you put forth.

> >>/quest/953779 >there are other ways to get our memories back
We don't know of any other ways, so I'm not sure why you wrote this. But there's plenty of arguments that I wrote above which I think are relevant and which may alleviate your concerns.
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No. 131882 ID: e51896

>>131879
>We don't know of any other ways
one of the services Delaney Security Services specializes in is memory acquisition and analysis. They can help retrieve memories if we can somehow contact them. Plus Penny seems to be connected to them in some way with her jumpsuit being owned by them. Thats why I wrote that. It sometimes pays better to be patient.
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No. 131883 ID: 3ae33e

>>131882

We can't afford to "be patient" and try to waste time trying to find a way to contact Delaney for help. With how shady Vesper is, we need information ASAP before they brainwash poor Penny.
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No. 131886 ID: 404f0f

>>131882
Memory acquisition and analysis...
No, I don't think that's what you believe it is.

You see, they're a security firm, and as such they deal with security-related things. Such as theft, crime, detective work, etc. So in this case, "memory acquisition" would be related to memory theft, stealing or exchanging memories, memory salons and whatnot, where memories can be manipulated and moved around.

This is very different from Penny's situation, which not a result of any crime, but a medical condition. All evidence points to the fact that Penny's memories were erased with raw taffa, not stolen, so there's no known place or a person her memories could be acquired from.

Delaney can't get Penny's memories back. This is proven in the story where it's mentioned (>>/quest/920579) that "artifically-constructed memories are forced on taffa syndrome sufferers in the hospitals". The fact that even hospital doctors are unable to retrive such erased memories and are forced to use artificially-constructed ones instead, proves that Delaney wouldn't be able to do it either.
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No. 131887 ID: 10c408

>>131886
Your argument on what delaney can and cannot do rests entirely on the word of mouth from one character, with no corroboration from any other sources of information to prove one way or the other if we've been told things that are in fact actually true.

And on top of that, Omen indirectly claimed that the person who gave us this knowledge in the first place lied to us, so your already fragile claim is even more in doubt.
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No. 131889 ID: a0dfd2

Guys, this has gotten pretty fucked up.

I get it, most of us can't even seem to remember our rebellious remarks against Cider or our attempt to work with Q and learn more about Delaney -- and also Moira, who's still dead by the way, as far as we know -- or why it was we wanted to get out of here in the first place.

We seem to have forgotten everything the instant we got flashed with Roz's tits.

But without a place to call our own, without a cover we can conveniently hide behind if shit goes wrong, we're just some unregistered idiot on their own. No memory, no affiliations, no help. And rather than being brought back to Vesper and given a talking to if we fuck up, we're in some hospital, getting our head pumped full of lies the instant the word "taffa" even leaves our mouth otherwise.

And nobody seems to realize that.

Instead we've gone on a fucking bender and we're now trying to basically have sex with ourself in the midst of a goddamned hallucination where one of our inquiries is rightly "prove to me this isn't all a dream," because the nightmare plot device is speaking in fucking riddles and most of us don't seem to comprehend what "spiritual congress" means in the wake of having committed suicide.

Because we did. Multiple times. And apparently we forgot about that, too.

But sure. Is Cider likely being manipulative with us? Quite possibly, but she's also leading a social commune that is steadily gaining legitimacy with the authorities of the shelf and in charge of a bunch of equally post-suicidal substance abusers with acute and permanent retrograde amnesia. Whom we number amongst.

Is Roz a bimbo with a heart of gold as big as her tits? Yes, absolutely, but she's also the only person who has really opened up to us and shown a genuine level of care.

Can we stay here and work with them, establishing a base of operations and creating a social webwork that allows us to use them as proxies in our stead, protecting ourselves whilst we hunt down our past and interrogate Millie for answers?

You're damned right we can.

But instead we've forgotten that. We jumped at the first promise of tits again. Just like last time. And the time before that.

We don't even know who Q is, outside of being a junker with cool hair who knows her way around illegitimate business. And considering how Preston reacted back at intake, we're deep in it, and stepping foot of Red Shelf without a lifeline and a cover to work behind is the stupidest thing we can do right now.

So maybe instead of bickering about whether or not that same Gordian Knot is what we believe it is or if we can trust the word of the thing that's looking pretty close to raping us and jumping into the first warm hole we see and making all of this even more uncomfortable and unnecessary than it is, we can actually sit down, think, and use the fact that we aren't a goddamned husk with no memories to our advantage.

Because it was cute and a fun teasing Penny before and getting our bluffs repeatedly called; even the bath house was a nice departure to the land of exposition-thick fanservice. But this? This is just creepy and getting progressively more gross.
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No. 131890 ID: e7c7d3

>>131889
It's legit that you find this gross. I'm not seeing the problems that you are, but I won't tell you that you're wrong for that.

Complaining about QuestDen being horny, however, is a futile effort. The nature of the audience getting distracted is also an unfortunate result of this method of story telling. The audience is always shifting with each person having different agendas and different levels of engagement. Keep in mind that there are people who want Penny to have sex over actually figuring out the mystery of the current plot.

Also also, this is by no means an mutually exclusive situation like you're making it out to be. We can have spiritual congress with Omen, we can do all that stuff that you're suggesting, we can see Delaney, and everything else. Just cause some people, (myself admittedly included,) want Penny to see some lady action doesn't mean that we're against figuring out what's going on.

There's stuff here that I think you're wrong about, like you're concerned that we're ignoring that Penny has committed memory suicide many times before, but that info is one of the things we're trying to get out of Omen. Heck, I don't know where I've mentioned it, but my current theory that Omen is our past selves a la Avatar style. But who knows! Point is, don't take our disagreement that people are actively working against you to ruin the plot.
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No. 131891 ID: 6c7837

>>131889
I have to largely agree with you fellow personally. I feel like we've lost sight of how we initially were playing the character. >>131890 brings up some good points for why this is happening, even if I don't agree with the entirety of the message. The way the quest is structured means that some posters won't be here, and different ones may show up. What's more, the place is really really horny for whatever reason (the reason is it'sQuestDen and we/they're always horny), and that is influencing decisions. For the worse, IMO. Means we lose sight of context to make important decisions. Teegee is handling this issue with aplomb, and I commend him for doing his best to keep things from going off the rails, but its quite the fight to prevent such an intriguing world from devolving into just a smutquest.
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No. 131892 ID: 6c7837

>>131890
Also, just to note on my last statement. I don't think people are maliciously trying to ruin the plot either. But I do fret it's happening regardless.
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No. 131893 ID: 10c408

>>131892
There are voting blocs being formed, same as what happened during the later parts of the coxwette quest.

Those that are voting for things they believe will lead to more pictures of a very specific nature, and those who are voting for literally everything else.

I'm probably paranoid, but there's been more votes in total for the current update than there were in the last several and a lot of those were from account names I've not seen in either thread thus far.

That said, it's a bit hyperbolic to say that the plot is being destroyed by this division. It is certainly being marred heavily in my opinion, but not "destroyed"
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No. 131894 ID: 404f0f

>>131889
>Because we did. Multiple times.
This statement is unproven. Omen saying, "Names are fleeting. How many have you left behind?", neither implies that we died as a result of a suicide, nor that it happened multiple times.

>that is steadily gaining legitimacy
Incorrect. Vesper is already a fully legit and government-supported organization.

>post-suicidal substance abusers
Implying that everyone who lost their memories had it happen as a result of a suicide, or that they were substance abusers, would be a faulty generalization. For one, we know that raw taffa has lawful uses.

>most of us can't even seem to remember
>We seem to have forgotten
>nobody seems to realize
>most of us don't seem to comprehend
>we forgot about that
I hope that you're aware that statements such as these sound like projection.

That said, there are three points that I'd like to make.
Firstly, we aren't forgetting anything. Instead, what I'd say is going on is that... people change. We change. As new facts are uncovered and we become more familiar with our surroundings, our perception changes as well. Our understanding of the characters around us adapts. And as it does, our suggestions for Penny change as well, which, consequentially, is reflected in her subconsciousness. We are not static.
Secondly, I don't know why you're in such a hurry, but I'm sure that we'll get to everything in its due time. You shouldn't get agitated just because you feel that we're inefficient or aren't taking the shortest route through the plot. After all, a quest is all about the journey. And who knows, maybe the current events are actually a shortcut? How do you know what is necessary and what is not?
Lastly, unexpected things happening to quest characters is nothing unusual. Creepy and gross? Yeah, plot elements can be like that. I'd argue that if a quest author is able to invoke strong feelings in the audience, then they're doing a masterful job.

>>131891
>For the worse
I'm offended :p
But you shouldn't worry because, well, teegee already explained it here: >>123419.
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No. 131895 ID: e7c7d3

>>131893
I sincerely hope that the quest discussions won't devolve into the tired "hardboy vs. softboy" argument.

I don't think we're quite at risk of that yet though. (Admittedly, I don't tend to read other suggestions too much once I've posted one, for the most part.) Sort of stating my one point again, the lewds don't mean that progress is not going to happen. Most suggestions right now prompting for the sex are still choosing which questions they feel we should ask Omen. "We get answers and we get to see tiddy? Win/win!" Is how I'd sum most of the intent behind these lewd votes. (What it looks to me, anyways, these things can be hard to read online.)

If people are worried about the straight up yes/no vote for spiritual congress in the last update. I want to say that's a bit of an outlier, brought on by a comment on the discord.
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No. 131897 ID: 891b91

>>131889
>This is just creepy and getting progressively more gross.
Originally I had written several paragraphs of spoilers about Omen to explain why I'm writing things this way, but I ended up scrapping it because I think it would carry too much risk of strongly affecting suggesters' theories and opinions. Instead, what I will say is that if Omen's forcefulness creeps you out, you aren't wrong to feel that way; to some degree I intended for at least some of the audience to have that reaction to her. I just hope that it's clear that Omen's demeanor and actions are relevant to the quest's plot overall, rather than simply being fetish fuel.

>>131891
>its quite the fight to prevent such an intriguing world from devolving into just a smutquest.
>>131892
>I don't think people are maliciously trying to ruin the plot either. But I do fret it's happening regardless.
>>131893
>That said, it's a bit hyperbolic to say that the plot is being destroyed by this division. It is certainly being marred heavily in my opinion, but not "destroyed"
I don't blame anyone for having these concerns, but from my perspective things are very far from going off the rails. While Penny's actions are a significant part of what determines the quest's plot, the other major determinant is the motivations and actions of other characters and groups in the quest's universe, which progress regardless of Penny's actions. Simply put, there are things in motion that will affect Penny and likely will occur in one way or another regardless of what she does; her actions mostly have the potential to modulate how these events play out, rather than deciding whether the events to happen in the first place. If we assume a worst case scenario of Penny becoming completely distracted and complacent, the outcome would probably be that she would be unprepared for future events, when they occur. That wouldn't bring the plot to a standstill, but instead would just be one of various avenues for the quest to progress along.

The events in question also pretty much guarantee that Dead Dust is incapable of becoming just a smutquest, in the long run -- it's hard to be distracted by sex when [BIG IMPORTANT EVENT THAT VERY MUCH INVOLVES YOU] is happening. That being said, if my reassurances here aren't satisfying, I'd be interested in hearing your concerns in more detail -- how is the plot being ruined/marred/etc., in your eyes?

>>131895
>If people are worried about the straight up yes/no vote for spiritual congress in the last update. I want to say that's a bit of an outlier, brought on by a comment on the discord.
In retrospect, maybe I should've been less willing to discuss meta-aspects of ongoing quest votes, since I feel like I may have unintentionally encouraged vote brigading to some degree.
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No. 131900 ID: 4854ef

>>131891
Honestly it's starting to feel like "If you aren't voting this way it's wrong" in this sort of situation with how people are reacting on some level. Some people wanted lewds, Some wanted information about memories and this was a method of doing so, and yet everyone is getting lumped in "Hurr durr lewds" as if this choice had nothing more to do then sex.
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No. 131901 ID: 015bf2

>accidental vote brigading
Huh, I did wonder where the sudden influx of votes came from.

Now, if those voters can get off their butt fetishes to engage with the normal intercourse of events and fondle about for clues too, I'd be quite gay to play along with the thread's fancies. It's better than having the life sucked out of it it by fewer posters coming around over time. Then again, everyone coming all the time might be a little much, no?

(TAKE THIS, YOUR JUST REWARD)
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No. 131946 ID: 404f0f

>>/quest/954676
>You grab Omen's ear suddenly
Haha, that's one way to return Omen's favor!

>I'm not as submissive as you think
Something tells me that this is going to backfire just like that time when Penny dared Roz to... you know.

>What a welcome surprise, she cackles.
The fact that Omen endorses Penny's participation probably means that it would help with the communication. However, I can't really guess if that's all there is to Omen's intentions.

>>/quest/954677
>Omen slides herself away from you and opens your legs, and as she does so the scenery around you grows very dark.
Heh. From this one might assume that the way to Penny's memories is thought her nether region.

>odd, glowing structures
The glowing containers that we see are large enough to hold bodies, so perhaps that's what they were designed to do. It could be that the place is a cryo-chamber or a cloning facility, but it's hard to guess what goes on there.
The place also looks like it hasn't had any maintenance in a long time. This does link it to the previous memory of the entrance to the Taunton Microdynamics that we saw, which also looked abandoned. However, the entrance that we saw looked way too small, like an entrance to a small firm; not the kind that I would expect to lead to a large high tech facility. So we can't be certain that the two are linked.

>>/quest/954678
>You stole something from here.
Look, that Hot Vesper Mommas holo tape that someone forgot on their desk was just asking to get stolen!

>You drank taffa to escape the consequences.
I had a theory that another substance which mirrors the taffa syndrome existed, but it looks like that's not the case. Anyway...

The revelation here is pretty important. It implies that Penny didn't consume taffa due to substance abuse, or with the intention of suicide, but to escape consequences of stealing something. I would assume that the difficulty of escape and the consequences were pretty severe if drinking taffa was the only way out. Then again, Omen said that "it didn't work" so, it looks like Penny's memory loss was ineffective for whatever purpose it was to serve.

As for what we stole, the first thought that comes to mind would be "the blade". So the question is, was it "the blade" that we stole? Maybe. Maybe not. If it is the blade, then it would imply that the consequences of stealing are dictated by the people who are after the blade.
Of course, it's also possible that what we stole from this place is something else and we either had the blade already before, or we obtained it after.

>She finally relents, leaving you wanting more.
All these revelations really get Penny going, huh?

In general, excellent job on the art and writing. Mixing the plot and the lewd is usually something that's difficult to execute, but I think you pulled it off flawlessly here.
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No. 132024 ID: 9b97e0

>>/quest/955495
Nothing much to say here except that I like the art hehe

>>/quest/955496
>Your surroundings fade into darkness
The fade-to-black trope strikes again!

>a spherical hologram
A hologram of this world. The various shapes are the wards and shelves that we've seen. The cityscape in the bottom-left is probably the Old City.
The two sets of lines are likely the path that Omen's voice took before and after the tongue action. What's important to note here is the place where both paths start (the city) and where they end (the Red Shelf). This indicates one of two things. That either Omen is located in the Old City, or that they're using the Beacon as a non-transparent proxy.

>now you see mine -- and I can see yours
Geez, another huge reveal. So the wiggles that we see are the rhythm. I definitely had a strong suspicion of this and I even left a tip about it here:
> >>129492 >Can you feel it? Can you feel.. the rhythm?!
Altho what Mint feels and what Penny sees might not be the same. That's because Mint said that Penny, unlike everything else, isn't fuzzy at all. So it's a bit more complicated than that.
How to explain this? I can think of three theories.
- Mint feels a differential in the environment, where Penny leaves none
- Penny doesn't have anything of what Mint can detect
- Penny is passively blocking Mint from detecting anything about her

>>/quest/955497
>Rhythm surrounds us, pervades us. For some of us, it grows stronger when we... exert ourselves, and we leave our mark upon it.
The logical analysis of the following paragraph is trivial and is left to the readers as an exercise.
In other words, if I went and broke this down into every implication that could be drawn from these words, I'd be writing all day lol

>you flip over, taking Omen with you.
I wonder what Penny's wrestling name would be.

>You and I are alike in that way
If Omen resembles Penny in more than just looks, then perhaps they're not just a doppelganger.

I'd say that the whole segment with Omen is starting to reveal a bit too much information at once, rather than it being gradually spread throughout the story. But other than that, it's very well written.
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No. 132066 ID: 10c408

Soo, if I've got this right.. Penny's former self acquired the blade of illusion, used it to conceal itself and then committed suicide via taffa syndrome.

And now because there's going to be some impending disaster, we need to highlander the other blades since we can't become professor oak.

I'm sold, let's get started.
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No. 132080 ID: 9b97e0

>>/quest/956258
>This is our world
They almost make it sound like we're the guests here.

>you are not going to let her win at this
I would've preferred if Penny wasn't treating this as a game or as some sort of competition. That's not what sex is about heh. You're not winning or losing anything. inb4 a game-over screen

>the advantage of rhythm
It's interesting how the jolts are coming down Penny's butt, and how Penny's ears wobble really hard here. It's as if one's being converted to the other. Well, that's probably what's actually happening; Omen's rhythm is adding up with Penny's.

>>/quest/956259
>Dark figures
Hmm, a major reveal. It looks like there's six of them. And the third one from the right looks like, well, the size of that bust is somewhat unmistakable :P

>There are many blades in this world
With "many", besides ours, does she mean these six? In other words, it's possible that there are more but that only these six are relevant.

>they reject each other
If they all reject each other, there must be a good reason for it. That not a single pair of them would choose to work with one another. Then again, I wonder if they even know about their own powers and about the knot. Do they even know each other? Because if they do, then we'd only need to talk to one of them to be able to get the info on the others.

>>/quest/956260
>through its potential also the most powerful
Sounds OP. Until we find out that we're lvl 1 noob going against lvl 99 wizards.

>brings others into harmony
So many people that Penny's gonna have to sleep with haha

>a blade of illusion
Ah, the seventh. But, an illusion? Was Penny's qabel's death an illusion? Based on the fact that Omen said that we drank the taffa, it seems unlikely. Also, this might explain why Mint didn't feel anything about Penny. Actually, it might also explain why Omen couldn't find Penny while she was awake.

>you must obtain the rest -- or their bearers will destroy you utterly.
I'm having difficulty understanding what Omen meant with this. Get the blades or the bearers will come to kill us? Why would they want to kill us but not kill each other then? And if they're coming to Penny eventually, why would Penny have to pre-emptively seek them out? Hmm. It might be that they'd perceive Penny as a common enemy. Perhaps there's some sort of status quo going on and they'd want to get rid of Penny since she's a threat to it.

>>/quest/956261
>feedback loop
Actually, this might be the primary reason why Omen looks similar to Penny (assuming Omen could choose their avatar). So that it would be possible for Omen to initiate a feedback loop.

>She screams
Oh, I was not expecting Omen to be phased by this to this degree. Or at least I think it would've been better if they weren't. Maybe they weren't properly prepared.

The other interesting thing I'd like to point out here is that despite Penny's strong movement in this and the following part, Omen's body remains still. This means that the movement that we see is purely from the rhythm itself.
At the same time, I like how it illustrates the way Penny feels. After all, the rhythm is a part of her body, so it's not just a visual thing.

>>/quest/956263
>mind-obliterating, universe-shattering orgasm
Penny's secret weapon has been revealed.

>parts of your soul you never knew you had
So Penny never knew that she had an Omen-shaped hole in her Omen-shaped soul. Makes sense!

The speed of the wiggling here definitely confirms what Omen said before, that is, that the rhythm grows stronger when we exert ourselves.

>>/quest/956264
>explodes from within you
Man does Penny make a MESS!
I hope the suggesters won't become scared of repeating this in the future haha

RIP Omen. Sacrificed her life so Penny could bust a nut D:

>>/quest/956265
>vague figures scattered across the distance take notice of you
Geez, another huge reveal.
Now, we do see six of them. Is this a coincidence? Maybe. If we assume that Omen was supposed to be one of them but is temporarily missing, the number could rise to seven, which would coincide with the number of blades. However, this is discredited by the fact that... one of them just said that they're on Bellwether. If they can be on Bellwether and here at the same time, then there's no saying Omen couldn't do the same, which would mean that Omen is here and is one of the total six. Then again, it's also possible that Omen simply isn't connected to this place at the moment, or that one or more of them are off-screen on the panel.

>WHO IS THAT
The fact that they don't recognize us can be due to several things.
- They know who Penny is, but we look like same vague figure to them as they do to us. Either due to the nature of this place, or due to the blade of illusion. So until we engage in communication, they won't know who we are.
- They don't know who Penny is. In this case, it doesn't matter if we look like a vague figure or not.
I think that it's a bit more likely that they simply don't know who Penny is. This is because if Omen is not here, and we suddenly appeared here instead of Omen, they might think that we were Omen. However, it's clear that they were able to instantly tell that we're not Omen.

>relax this isnt the first time this has happened
Interesting, but nothing much I can assume from this. I think that Penny's former persona wasn't the one to enter this place before us. If they were, then I'd expect the reaction to be different. Because it would've been a much more recent event, I'd expect them to react more like "AGAIN?!".

>TYPHON IS THIS YOUR DOING
Typhon must be busy programming heh.

>I hope not, that's boring~ My money's on Nemo!
Hmm. This seems to indicate that Nemo isn't here right now.

>hey new guy can you uh come kill me im on bellwether
>haha that wasnt a joke uhhh please im begging you just fuckin destroy me uwu
Is this guy a masochist? lmao
Also, the typos and that uwu haha... if we're able to perceive those, then wouldn't it mean that we're in some sort of a chatroom?

Anyway, these guys don't seem to have any common agenda and I can't guess very well what they could be. However, I'm almost certain that they're not the blade-bearers themselves because Omen seems to be one of them.

A very interesting development. Certainly the most major event in the story so far.
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No. 132084 ID: e7c7d3

So how do people feel about nicknaming Omen "Dollar" during that exchange? Seemed like mixed results to me? It's just that HowDoIshotTrip mentioned in the discord about the possibility of naming the other mysterious after other currencies: nickel, quarter, pound, quid yen, peso, etc. Quite frankly, I think it'd be fun.

I'd suggest Mr. "please destroy me" should be either Loonie or Pound.
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No. 132085 ID: 9b97e0

>>132084
>how do people feel about nicknaming Omen "Dollar"
I think that that joke has run its course and that I simply don't find it humorous anymore. So I think that trying to preserve it would be a poor choice.

I also believe that nicknames should hold deeper meaning and be related to the character in a relevant way. For instance, giving a character with a long name a nickname that's an abbreviation of their name. Or if a character is good at something, a nickname that signifies this skill or some special achievement.

As fun as naming characters may be for you, I don't believe these characters are in need of new names. They're not throwaway characters and they already have names of their own. Also, if a character has a preferred way in which they want to be referred to, disregarding that would risk offending them. Considering that all of the characters in question are extremely powerful, it's not something I'd wager at this moment in the story.
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No. 132090 ID: b7d9f7

>>132085
I'm pretty sure Omen was nicknamed Dollar because at the time, they seemed to be more... complete than us? A fuller Penny, in other words, more informed and knowledgeable. But still very 'us'. Thus, nicknaming them a currency as Penny might be alluded to be, but a larger denomination.

As much fun as the passing joke of nicknaming everyone we can after currencies/denominations would be, it wouldn't be great unless we could find meaning for those names. Someone who is overly direct, brutish, and crude? Pound. Someone who is off their rocker and doesn't make any sense? Loonie/Toonie. Someone from a land that's clearly an analogue of Japan? Yen.

It's a little sad that Zimbabwe's inflated-to-fuck currency doesn't seem to have a unique name (just 'zimbabwe dollar') because then it'd be great for someone with a really inflated ego.
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No. 132091 ID: b1b4f3

>>132090
Nope. It's just referencing a genderswap version of Penny that people called Dollar.
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No. 132104 ID: b07f1c

>>/quest/956725
>You try to flex it, and you feel it do so, but there is no apparent effect
The solution here is simple. Penny first has to saturate the limb before she may use it on others or herself.

>they keep me on the center floor i think. just watch out for the guards
This implies that the person is kept in some sort of containment in a secured facility. Also, since they're on Bellwether, getting there doesn't seem possible at this time.

>she's on Red Shelf
Oops! It looks like Penny revealed her gender and location.

>Stop using your voice in here
Hmm. What if Penny tried communicating with video then? What sort of video would she livestream?
That reminds me. We need to get access to one of those terminals again...
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No. 132116 ID: 7ae67b

As >>/quest/956850 said, the chat IDs have the right number of digits and all use only characters that are valid for hexadecimal, so they could be colors.
If they are,
Penny (d01c35) is a kind of deep-red ██████████,
ff358f is a hot pink ██████████,
and 32b0cc is a slightly greenish blue ██████████.

Although this is only three examples. Could just be chance that these three IDs work as color codes.
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No. 132117 ID: b1b4f3

All the IDs are in hexadecimal so they will work as color codes, intentional or not.
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No. 132118 ID: a0dfd2

maybe we should ask all the other blades (gonna call them "b-tards" for now, lol) what their trip codes are
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No. 132123 ID: 7ae67b

The person who wants to die, cc45d0, has a magenta color ██████████.

I propose either Ceecee or Cas as a nickname for them.
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No. 132126 ID: b07f1c

>>/quest/956834
Now that I think about it, if they know that a new person appeared on the Red Shelf, it would be pretty obvious to them that we're with Vesper. And that we're most likely a person that had their memories recently erased because it makes less sense for the older residents to have any shifts in their dust. So we can pretty much assume that they know that we're a fresh zombie. Anyway...

>you become aware of a... running log of communications, and a clearer sense of who said what.
Yeah but, it's a bit hard to figure out which ID said what in the previous panel. Hmm.
32b0cc likes using "~" character
ff358f likes to insult everyone
cc45d0 can't use caps
We don't know the ID of the one that used all caps.

>...No, of course not.
That's exactly what a cop would say!

>we are all above the level of being policed by anyone but our own kind~
Their own kind... I think this could be understood in two ways. Either they're some sort of supernatural beings, or they're normal people but who ascended in a way. Heh, maybe we should ask them if they're humans.

>>/quest/956904
>It really does feel like you have an extra limb -- you can bring it close and examine its properties
Stop touching that Penny! Hmm. It's that long huh...

>orthogonal wave interference
The sticker said "illusion", not "stealth". I want our money back!

>you can use these names to help you make better sense of who's who
Or we could just, you know, ask them for their names.

>you'll try to get the others to refer to you as Dulcinea
I would've preferred Pancakes :p

>I didn't say you were intruding
He certainly implied that we were unwanted here. Anyway, since I was unsure who was the one that mentioned their "neck of the woods", I could only assume that with "intruding" he meant intruding into this chatroom.

>I'm not risking my hide
A-ha! So he has a hide! Now we know who he is!

>he let those fanatics on Bellwether capture him
Them fanatics always ruining all the fun. Altho I wonder if he actually let them, or just made a mistake. We'll probably need to ask more about these once we decide it's a good time for a visit to grandma's house.

>Who did it to them?
*squints eyes at Omen*

>Maybe you've been here all along, listening and never talking
From our perspective, he does make a logical fallacy here. If we were noticed as soon as we entered this place, it would be impossible for us to be here for a longer amount of time. What we don't know however is whether it's possible to enter the chatroom invisible. But even so, if we suddenly switched our status to visible, how would they know that we were new? Anyway, by pointing this out to him, he may or may not provide some valid explanation. The added bonus here is that if he sees that we were unaware of this one thing, it may occur to him that we really are new.
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No. 132130 ID: 7ae67b

The last person, abcb03, has a yellowish green color ██████████.
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No. 132131 ID: b07f1c

>>/quest/957001
>Hope you're satisfied..
I would only be satisfied if he vocalized his uwu

>not long after they were just gone
The question here is, how long is "not long after"? A few hours? Days?

>you had no choice but to make yourself known
So what they're saying is that there's no difference when a new person joins this space and when an invisible one becomes visible?

>That means the killer probably never goes invis, because if they did, they could miss information
And then they say that the killer is always visible... These two facts are at odds with one another. Either the killer is always visible, or, as in Penny's case, they just became visible and made a splash. Which one is it? Hmm. I suppose they could claim that we were visible the whole time but then only became invisible for a second to be able to do this.

>stuff that happens while you're invis doesn't show up in your logs.
How unfortunate :p

>sixty-seven people
That's a very specific number. I thought that their ability to track the people would invalidate their claim about Penny hiding, but I suppose it's possible for them to track only the people that revealed their location and went missing. Still, this number is much larger than I expected. That is, I would expect that people would become wary of the disappearances at around 10. Because if your friend that you talk with daily suddenly doesn't show up anymore, you'd immediately know that something's up. It might be explained if the so-called killer collected the locations for a long time before making a move. However, the person does mention people being picked off soon after revealing their location.

>She's definitely lying about being new
I thought they said they liked us QQ

>perhaps she's trying to trick our pursuer, and lure them out of hiding
It might be that the pursuer they're talking about is Omen, in which case we don't really have anything to be afraid of. And if it's not, well, we weren't given any specific timeframe in which to expect this person so who knows when they might show up. I mean, we already know that some people are after us, so adding another one on top doesn't change much.

>don't let anyone on the outside catch you using your talent, whatever it is
Interesting. This implies that everyone in this space has a talent of sorts, so Penny might not be special in this regard. Is having a blade a way to say that one has a talent? Or are blades just one of the types of talents? Or is it that the blades and talents are completely separate?

>Typhoon seems to mostly want us to be at each other's necks
They're doing a good job then.

>sleeper agents
This sounds like a very important piece of info. That one is able to produce agents. And then there's also a question of whether these agents were able to enter the chatroom due to their talents, or because they were created/invited there by Typhon.

>next phase of evolution
But still a human!

Nice butt.

>>/quest/957002
>global-space local-space public-space
The only space I'm interested in is Penny's private space.

>INC VOICE LOC RED
Haha, Penny's expression; tfw you accidentally leave your mic on

>>/quest/957003
>embarrassed yourself in your sleep
We may never know what Omen did with Penny's real body while we were busy in dreams.

>You're completely certain that you're wide awake now.
[X] Doubt

>Something doesn't feel right.
Now, we do see that our surroundings are unusually sharp. Some of the possibilities that I can come up for this would be:
- Our senses need some time to adapt back to the non-recursive topology
- We're still in dreams since waking up only woke us out of the chatroom
- This is normal after unlocking our talent
- Our/surrounding rhythm needs some time to normalize after the reformation
- The blade of illusion is causing it
- Someone else is causing it

Alas, it's hard to pinpoint the cause. Well, the fact that there's no one around suggests that... the last two options are the most likely.
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No. 132132 ID: b1b4f3

Personally I think the killer is the one that keeps accusing Penny of being the killer.
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No. 132142 ID: a0dfd2

>>132132

But what if the killer is the one who claims to wish to die and has been luring others to them?
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No. 132143 ID: 4286b4

>>/quest/957121
>the effect is almost calming, mesmerizing; some part of you wants to relax and immerse in it
Roz, is that you?!

>You don't know what exactly you can do with this ability
The power of illusion allows Penny to start daydreaming at any time.

>you don't want to be caught in the act of using it
I... I can quit at any time!

>>/quest/957122
>flexing it
Sadly, it looks like using this blade doesn't stimulate Penny in any way.

>>/quest/957123
>you feel something change
Did something change? Penny's chest is still the same size.

>>/quest/957133
>you realize that it was only your mental perception of your body
No, I'm pretty sure they didn't get larger.

So, Penny's able to become invisible. That's quite useful. We'd still need to test it a bit further, to see what sort of security measures this would fool (unless we're optimistic), but I think it would be enough to allow us to get to the uwu guy once we're free to roam. It's also useful knowing that we can escape most forms of danger this way, provided that we expect them. What I wonder is if there are some limits or drawbacks in using this power. I would expect that we aren't able to stay invisible for extended periods of time.
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No. 132144 ID: 4286b4

>>132132
Personally I think the killer is the one that went quiet as soon as Penny revealed her location. You know, them having to get to work :B

But that would be too obvious, wouldn't it? haha
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No. 132148 ID: b07f1c

>>/quest/957241
>tuning out of the mind realm
Did muting the connected cause us to become invisible there? No? Then muting is another new mechanic. Altho it makes sense that changing your notification settings and changing your online status would be separate features hehe.

>your body, although invisible, is definitely still blocking part of your towel
Yeah, that did bother me. But now that it became clear that this is something unavoidable (or we've yet to find a way to hide anything other than ourselves), I should put more thought into it. It means Penny cannot perfectly hide items touching her. Well, touching her outside skin at least... smirk. Why is this? It's quite simple. She forgot to turn off "occlusion culling" haha...
Anyway, even if it was possible to see the occluded parts of the objects touching her, it wouldn't make the invisibility more useful because it would still be pretty obvious to anyone that objects shouldn't be floating in mid-air by themselves.
Hmm. Actually, maybe this isn't so bad. It just means that if Penny wants to hide an item from someone, she needs to hold it behind herself, out of that person's direct line of sight. Or if the item is small enough, holding it inside her fist would be fine.

>your best guess is
After the last panel, it's clear. Items wobble because we are turning into them!

>>/quest/957242
>something unexpected happens
This almost made me spit out my lunch. Like... what?! I got completely bamboozled lol
But at least we now know that it's possible for Penny to take on any object's appearance. It's quite interesting, albeit a bit unfortunate that the towel is anthropomorphized, because if the form of an object is morphed to this degree, it decreases the chance of being able to use it as a disguise.
I do wonder tho if this only changes our appearance, or does that mean we actually took on physical properties of a towel... heh. Probably not. Or at least it doesn't make much sense to me for Penny to be able to turn into a machine and be able to do the things that only a machine could.
Now, the important thing to note here is that we should be able to take on appearances of other people, which would definitely be more useful than objects, altho it might be harder to achieve. And there's also the question of whether the entity disappears, because I don't think anyone would want to change the appearance if it meant killing that person.
Lastly, I'd like to know whether this was a result of the power of illusion, or the blade of blades. It's most likely the illusion, but we don't know anything about how the blade of blades works.
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No. 132154 ID: b1b4f3

I strongly urge everyone to go through chapter 0 and ctrl+f "rhythm" to see what's what. I think Penny's thing with Omen likely caused something called a "Rhythmic Disturbance" which when severe can cause mass unrecoverable deaths. It's kinda like an earthquake, so you could say the sex was so good the earth literally moved and scared everyone away.
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No. 132156 ID: e51896

>>132154
Yikes, then we might need to sneak out of the building unseen as to not get in trouble for causing that.
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No. 132157 ID: 4286b4

>>/quest/957304
>You don't want to be a towel!
Penny clearly hasn't though this through. I mean, she forgot to consider how nice it would feel being rubbed all over various bodies hehe.

>you feel is your fingertips touching your fur
Confirming that it's all an illusion was quite important to do so that we don't wander in the wrong direction with our theories.

>>/quest/957305
>apparently it slipped off while you were surprised.
Now we know why Penny was wearing only the jumpsuit when she woke up! It was because she lost her other clothes due to being startled beforehand.

>you're able to locate it and feel it out a bit
Penny's mental masturbation is getting out of hand now haha

>inside them
While the list of tags going through my head is too long to include in this post, I would assume that, based on what happened with Omen, some sort of rhythmic connection would be required to achieve our goals.

>>/quest/957306
>You try to render your illusory towel form invisible, but nothing seems to happen.
This does make sense because, well, an invisible illusion isn't an illusion.

>it took significantly more effort
This may imply that taking on a different form has different limitations than the invisibility. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of time we can stay invisible would be shorter than keeping up an illusion, where the illusion simply had a higher initial cost.

And yes, Penny's tits are as cute as ever :p

>>/quest/957308
>which makes your invisibility slightly less effective
While Penny's fur might obscure the water in it, I'm not sure how noticeable the droplets running down her body would be. Fortunately, Penny finding herself wet should be a pretty rare event... heh.

>towels and bathing paraphernalia are scattered all over
It doesn't seem like there was an explosion or anything devastating happening, but it was urgent enough for everyone to leave in a hurry, as evident by the puddles of water on the ground. Whether the people were able to notice (or otherwise feel) the undulations that we see we cannot tell, but they're undoubtedly either the cause or the consequence of the event itself. And while they do seem harmless to us, we might still want to remain careful considering the place is perceived as a danger zone to the others
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