Wounded Overlord 2011/09/13(Tue)15:27 No. 348433 ID: 418acf
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They say there are other, more important thing, to focus on.
The castle still needs repairs. Barracks will be needed soon.
That you still need some form of body to fight and lead in once more. No offense, they say, but a floating eyeball is not threatening in any way.

>>348432
"This is a trap.
Naturally, this means I need to investigate.
Have everybody get ready for battle while I go talk to Alice."

Go talk to Alice. Tell her you're sorry.
Explain you just found out what things were like before, and you can't blame her for hating you. Then ask what she suffered directly.

It's true, we need the monies and the dark mana crystals.

We can find one in Icefall, right? Let's go monster hunting there, I bet Ruby can kick some serious ass with her fire spells and new rod.

Well, there's no harm in at least scanning Torral to see what's going on.

Yeah, that probably is an ambush. But it might be not. And if the scanned danger levels are over 9000, we can at least soothe our conscience (if there is any) by pointing out that a rescue mission is a suicide.

Although, given what we know about our parting of ways, Rose and Styx's advice sounds quite sane too.

TL;DR: scan Torral.

I don't think we can really ignore this.

there are two possibilities: Silva is telling the truth and not going would cost us the potential service of an Construct expert whose help we could really use right now, or she is lying and it's a trap. Which we shouldn't ignore either because then it would offer us the opportunity to spring our own trap on her and Enslave her.

>>348438
We have one of her old dolls.
Have Styx fix it up a bit, then send out to find Sylva and recon the area for us.

>>348436
What do we have to apologize to her about? Also forget Silva. She wants to destroy everything, and the dolls want to kill us so it's likely she wants to kill us too. So no let's not go to the trap. If we can SCRY the location she's at then that'd be nice but we should not go wandering around there.

Hunting in icefall sounds nice, but maybe we can make some money by visiting another noncombat area. Or doing the Fight option in the arena. That would, come to think of it, be a prime test for Ruby's new staff since dying there holds no penalties.

Also let's send... uh... Rose out to farm money for us. That's risk-free!

We should at least scan Torral. This seems worth checking out... if only because I'd kind of like to Enslave Silva. She sounded highly competent, if nothing else.

If we can, I'd like to send Rose and Alice out to farm for cash and loot while we take Ruby, Emily, and Kassandra with us adventuring.

>>348436
I don't think we should be apologizing to our minions, ever. Certainly not to one who won't even call us master for sins that we can't even remember.

I thought we would fight her, and I thought we would get her under our control. From her we can get Silvas wine, and with that we get our body working again. This doesn't change that plan except that maybe she'll owe us. Or she might be trying to destroy us while we are weak.

So let's just go, and assume it's a trap. Or maybe she really does need help. Either way, she will be ours. Ask her doll if she would feel any different about us if Silva did, some insight here could be useful.

Attach Emily's new arm if we can afford it, and lets go.

>>348453
No, we should apologize when we make a mistake. We don't have anything to apologize for, though, so no apologies for Alice.

Let's go see Silva. It's probably a trap, but I'd like to enslave her and if the letter's sincere then if we don't go we'll permanently lose the opportunity.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/13(Tue)16:31 No. 348474 ID: 418acf
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You decide to visit Silva. Rose starts to complain but you tell her you are aware it may be a trap. Still the pros far outweigh the cons.

You send Rose and Alice out to farm for money and Exp while you go to meet Silva.
Before heading off you pay Styx the G75 needed to give Emily a new arm. Emily seems overjoyed.

>"I can hug all the things now!"

You try to talk to the doll but it seems to be ignoring you.

Since you can't get any information from it you decide to head off to Torral with the rest of the group.
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The area where the teleporter sent you is a barren battlefield. All you see is destroyed earth all around.
You realize you have no idea where Silva can be in all of this.

>>348432
Let's go help her. Bring Emily and uh, the new doll. We need to know more.

>>348474
Scan until you find the nearest creature, then investigate that.

go to where the grand showdown happened.

>>348474
Hmm. Nothing on the scanners, I take it, and no terrain features to speak of? Awkward. If we know where there once were any landmarks in this area, head in that direction.

Bad end soon, fellow stalker.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/13(Tue)16:40 No. 348489 ID: 418acf
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You decide to scan.

>>348489
The boss area is level 8, and the strongest unit is 6.
Lets go there.

Huh. Either she is at the boss or IS the boss, otherwise her level will be ridiculous. Might as well do that first, even if it isn't her it is still worth doing and we should be victorious.

to the 2

Let's start with the boss.

take the boss like a boss

Yeah I'm sure if we go to the boss that level 34/1 thing RIGHT NEXT TO IT won't come kick our ass, yep.

Get the fuck out of here goddamn it.

To the boss.

>>348492
>The boss area is level 8
... how do you know?

We'll need to do a boss battle soon anyways, to the boss!

>>348512
The boss encounters were mentioned as being "average" for the area and it seems he's taken that very literally. He might be right but I wouldn't count on it.

Like a Boss

>>348489
To the boss!

To the boss, like a boss

we know she's very badly injured and even more weakened than us, so shes not the 35. that means shes either a one or a two. the odds that she's at the boss are fairly high, and if not we can probably take the boss.

also bring something shiny. bitches love shinys.

Welp, time to go for the boss. Sooner we save her, the sooner we get the wine we need and the sooner we can get the dark crystal to power our body.

...Why do I feel like we are going for the Big Goron Sword?

...cause we are doing something risky for all we know she will try to pretend to be reformed then stab us in the metaphorical back.
...because we don't really have a real one at this point.

>>348547
just enslave her. enslaved units are literally incapable of attacking us.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/13(Tue)21:04 No. 348576 ID: 418acf
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You decide to take on... The Boss.
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You and your troops travel through the lands. This is honestly not what you expected from a boss fight. A large area is sealed off keeping you from wandering to far away.
Off in the distance you see a cave and decide since it's the only visible thing in the landscape that must be it. As you draw closer you hear a terrible moaning sound.
A feeble voice calls out to you as you reach the cave.

>??? "O-overlord..? Is that you..?"

You do not respond but simply float closer.

>??? "Overlord... I... ???"

The person stops speaking and from the cave you can see two red eyes staring at you.

>"You're not him!! What the fuck!? Did he send his fucking minions to pick up his dying friend!? That bastard! Tell him to get his ass over here right now!"

>>348576
"Sorry to disappoint you, Silva. What you see here is all that is left of the Overlord you knew."

"Friend? Silva's doll says I betrayed Silva, and my servants said she was upset when I started building instead of destroying. Who are you really? Come out."

>>348576
Let's not let on that we're Overlord at the moment. The way that she jumped to anger rather than keeping up a feeble voice makes me think that her weakness was an act and this is a trap.

"Practically died, chica. Broken into pieces, left with no memory. The Overlord as you knew him is gone forever, lost to time. Just reincarnated as a floating eyeball with a laser gun and sword, left to pick up the ashes and burn anew, but hopefully brighter and more practical. I come here possibly to reforge a broken bond, to make up for what an old dog did, or shovel the shit he left behind into a proper waste receptacle. Your choice, 'old friend'."

"if you are picky enough about who rescues you then i guess you are healthy enough to live"

Another vote for concealing our identity.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/13(Tue)22:47 No. 348611 ID: 418acf
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"The one you see before you is The Overlord. My mind and body were destroyed after the attack on my castle. I am not nothing more then a fractured mind. I am here to reconcile. Please know I am not the man I once was and have decided to begin anew. I-"

>Silva: "Shut it."

She walks out of the cave, completely unharmed.

>Silva: "Lost all your powers and stuff huh? Great. Killing you will be all the easier."

With a wave of her hand four dark purple crystals lift off the ground and float around her.

>"This is for kicking my ass and leaving me trapped in That Room for a week!"

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/13(Tue)22:48 No. 348612 ID: 418acf
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=Boss Battle Started=
Placement Phase, Limit 5
Hp Automatically Displayed.
Scan Disabled.

>Silva: "Let's try to make this fight as long as possible."

us, ruby, rose, em, kas.
formation
rose-us-em
kas-----ruby

Woman, for god's sake, your practically attacking just a reincarnation. No justice can be done, other punks got to him first. He's dead, there's no changing that. Really just using his damn fragmented body and resources here. Shit, call the New overlord Bob for all we care, he ain't that overlord since that personality is fucking dead.

Your grasping at straws for revenge that can never be sated. You want to kill the real old overlord? Find some weirdass time and space magic, bring that guy back and fight him.

Now if you'd admit that your just attacking whatever because your pissed off and want to attack random things or symbols of the old dead guy, okay, yeah we get it let's do this thing. And if this fight lasts long, bitch, we are going to argue semantics the entire fucking time while kicking your ass, do you have any idea how annoying that will be to you?

...you know, I figured we would have to fight either her or her persuers. That didn't bug me. Being whined at and treated like a peon? Happens to everyone. But interrupting our little monologue?

I saw we kick her ass in record breaking time, enslave her, and make her wear a paper bag over her entire body with the words 'Bitch Queen' on it. She'd probably like the naked treatment.

shit forgot units
Ruby, Emily, Rose, you, and Len with the last four in front, put ruby in back
almost want to bring Nyx into this
you know, just for her reaction. She'll shit her goddamn pants.
So replace Nyx with Rose if you want that. It'll probably be enough shock to stun her for a few turns because why the fuck in the world do you have such a unit

SIGH. What a surpriiiiiiiise.

Emily, Ruby, Lenion, Kassandra... Crap, gotta choose between Alice, Overlord, and Rose. Alice is low loyalty and wouldn't really behave properly here. Overlord might have issues with being focused on because we are fighting someone that hates him, and Rose risks permadeath here.

...gonna go with Overlord, we can just hang back and shoot.

Also, little question/idea. Would the potion of corruption work on the battlefield? Because I am pretty sure Silva is one of the few people who I'm sure would benefit from a force attitude adjustment.

>>348614
Supporting this set-up.

>>348628
We need the overlord in the fight to enslave her, so we definitely want him in.

Just curious, but isn't Rose busy farming with Alice right now?

Me thinks that we should focus our attacks on the crystals before engaging Silva herself. Take out the closer crystal on the left, maybe blast a ranged attack at Silva to test her defenses (aim for the black orb-thingy in her chest maw).

Use her short temper against her by keeping her talking and distracted, "Sorry love, but no can do. I've got bigger fish to fry than some old fling of my past-self. And really? You declined a heart-felt apology from a floating eyeball? No wonder the old me kicked your ass and dumped you, you're a huge bitch!"

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)00:05 No. 348640 ID: 418acf
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Units placed.

"Sorry love, but no can do. I've got bigger fish to fry than some old fling of my past-self. And really? You declined a heart-felt apology from a floating eyeball? No wonder the old me kicked your ass and dumped you, you're a huge bitch!"

>Silva: "W-what!? Fuck you! I will end you right here and now! I was going to go easy on you but no! First I'll kill all your little servants then you're going down!"

Your move.

>>348640
Break the crystals. Set piece emplacements are bad. Do it at a range in case of explodo.

have the overlord shoot on of the dark crystals. they are going to do something and i don't want that to go off when we are next to them.

>>348640
Ruby, join me in blasting the crystal on the right.

If the crystal doesn't violently explode:
Lenion, Emily, destroy that crystal on the left. Kassandra, improve Emily's accuracy.

If the crystals are explodotraps:
Lenion and Emily should move towards the center of the field, keeping away from the crystal on the right.

Quickly, use some acting skills to stop her from harming our lovely minions!
"My Dark Lords Silva, could you try to be a little more creative with your strategies than a mentally impaired child? Seriously, killing and going after my servants first IS going easy on me, you tart. Have you forgotten that I am STILL the biggest threat on any battlefield and that I am STILL an amazing genius? 

>>348684
No, we have 31. Stop being wrong!

>>348652
The problem is that THIS IS TRUE so we shouldn't say it. Also remember we have 31 HP. Rose and emily have 69 and 68 respectively.

I do not think she is going to "harm our lovely servants" any more then the dozens of battles we put them through where they took HP damage.

And she is just level 6. Lets aim at taking her down and then slaving her :P. (although being a boss she can still be a tough fight so lets not underestimate her)

Have Emily move and attack that crystal, have Kass cast +Def on Ruby as she blasts the one on the right. We move in line with Silva and shoot her.

If Emily destroys the crystal, which she should, Lenion moves right one and up 5 with a double move. Otherwise move her forward and attack it as well.

>>348693
Rose isn't in this battle! We have Emily and Lenion for hp sponges. Lenion has 95 hp.

Again, stop being wrong!

The crystal are the priority. I don't know what they do and don't want to. The sooner they're in pieces, the better.

Be careful tough, concentrate fire and destroy the first on the left with ranged attack only. We never know, the damn thing could explode in our face once destroyed. Boost Ruby's accuracy to be sure that she doesn't miss too.

This is a boss fight, don't take unnecessary risks. Play it defensively for now by putting the meat shields in front and telling to focus on defense while we and Ruby attack at range and Kass buff/heal us up.

As for Silva, the hours I'm available for Questing seem to be at odd with the update schedule, so I'll give my plan right now.

Enslave the bitch then force feed her the loyalty potion. Once it's done, lock her up in a workroom and have her built us a standing army of doll type constructs.

let's mess with her head as we fight, keep pushing the "huge bitch" bit, that seemed to get under her skin quite a bit. if she's angry she won't be thinking strategically.

The way those crystals are set up, I expect something to happen BETWEEN them rather than around each one individually. I am reminded of that time mage's spell circle more than anything.

I wonder if these are Dark Mana Crystals.

>>348784
well no, it wasn't the "huge bitch" part exactly, it was the undeniable logic we threw in her face to CONCLUDE that she is a huge bitch. Of course, if infuriating her is your intent, simply singing "huge bitch" over and over again would probably do the job. Seems kind of petty though. For style points, I would prefer further cunning dialog.

>>348769
>Enslave the bitch then force feed her the loyalty potion. Once it's done, lock her up in a workroom and have her built us a standing army of doll type constructs.
All inevitable moralfag arguments aside, the loyalty potion's primary ingredient is Silva's Wine. It is not unreasonable to worry that Silva may be resistant to its effects. Recommend we explore all alternative avenues before attempting such a plan.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)15:05 No. 348815 ID: 418acf
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Everyone moves into position to attack.
Lenion and Emily attack the nearest crystal. Lenion misses but Emily slashes it twice destroying it.

>Silva: "Nnn!"

Silva seems to have taken 25 DMG.

Ruby casts Fire on the top left crystal. Overlord fires at it but misses.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)15:07 No. 348818 ID: 418acf
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Silva moves closer to the group.
Suddenly her top half disconnects and moves even closer.
She slashes at Lenion dealing 17 DMG

>>348818
Everybody take a crystal and start bashing!
Kass, keep people healthy.

oh i see. shes using the crystals as a power source. probably to compensate for how weakened she is. something tells me attacking her directly would not be a good idea. next turn have ruby cast fire twice on the undamaged crystal in the back. have kasandra cast accuracy up on the overlord and have him shoot the damaged crystal. that will either destroy it or put it close to dead. use our close combat people to contain silvas top half for now and do not approach her bottom half. for all we know it can move and attack on its own.

Goading her into doing something stupid? OK. "Going easy? It's as if you learned nothing from your time with my past self. Mercy in a fight to the death is pure disrespect."

And then put on as smarmy an expression as we can without a face.

"And you know what? I think I'll be the one going easy on you. As you are now, you're not even worth the effort."

Of course, we aren't actually going to give her any slack. Fuck her up. Still, keep an eye on those crystals. We definitely don't want to pass them without knowing what they do.

Okay...use or Emily and Lenion to try to box her in while Kass suport them with buff and healing.

While they keep her occupied, we should shatter each crystal with Ruby's help. Also, try to keep Ruby, Kass and ourselves outside of Silva's range.

No matter what, don't split up. Everyone each start to attack a different target, it's going to take forever. Better to focus the damages on one target at a time.

>>348826
Boxing her in seems ineffective. She's currently in a space that should be inaccessible... two sides out-of-bounds, two sides our units. So she can probably fly away.

Similarly, "outside of her range" seems sort of infeasible. Her legs moved 3 last turn, and then her torso 5, through one of our units.

>>348827
I think shes in the square straight above that one, in front of Lenion. Its hard to tell with no feet, but looking at where the slash is is clearer. I mean its certainly possible she CAN fly around, but no evidence yet.

>>348818
Lenion: moves next to Silva's lower body and whips left crystal
Overlord: to Lenion's current position shoots at the right crystal
Emily: moves to beside Silva's upper body
Ruby: double cast fireball on far crystal
Kass: accuracy+ to Ruby(if it affects fireball) or Overlord

Optimizing crystal attacking and Silva blocking.

Ohoho, breaking one of her four crystals takes off 1/4 her hp? I doubt we could damage her at all, so let's break those crystals!

First Kass should cast +Def on Ruby, who in turn needs to move right and doublecast fire at the crystal there. Did she not get her staffs benefit last round?

>>348827
I wonder... we can't box in her top half but if we surround her bottom that might limit her range. Not terribly useful but it can keep her from getting to Kass. I think she is limited to 3 squares from her upper form or she would have hit someone with less hp (i.e. everyone else).

So have Lenion move 2 squares forward and one right and whip the crystal from there while blocking her side. We double move 5 squares to block her base from moving forward and stop her from reaching Kass. Emily moves 4 right and two forward, putting her next to the crystal Ruby is attacking. That will block her base from getting closer to Ruby and let her finish off the crystal next round or to attack the one in back.

Lenion: Move right and up a space.
Emily: Move to where Lenion was.
Kas: Charge and cast +Accuracy on Overlord.
Overlord: Attack the crystal you just missed.
Ruby: Charge and cast fire on the crystal to your right twice.

We need to start remembering to tell Ruby and Kas to charge when they don't need to move. They only have so much MP.

what happens if we hit her legs?

Beyond the obvious (destroy crystals to win). It appears that crystals have between 18 and 34 HP, and have a fairly high def value since we miss more then I would like.

I am curious if we are missing out on a hidden reward (the crystals) by destroying them rather then defeating her the hard way (damaging her without destroying crystals).

Cleric cast +accuracy on overlord.
Overlord attack top left crystal
Ruby: charge and attack top right crystal (she has the range to hit it from all the way back).
Lenion: attack silva.
Emily: Move towards the bottom right crystal

>>348844
The crystals have normal defence (that is to say, none). Lenion and Overlord just got unlucky. (On a minor note, Overlord apparently can't accidentally hurt himself with his blaster.)

>>348818
We need to keep our squishies away from her. Especially Ruby, since if she dies we lose the staff!

Ruby can stand in place and cast fire, TWICE this time, on the crystals within her range. Lenion should move one square to the right and whip at Silva, while Emily should move to where Lenion was and slash slash. Overlord should move next to Lenion and shoot whatever crystal is available for shooting at.

>>348818
Lenion: Lift Sylva's legs and throw them away from our squishies.

Oh, and I support Kassandra casting +defense on Ruby.

You know what, how about we throw her legs at the damaged crystal, and if said crystal is not destroyed by the impact, fire the Overlord's blaster at t.

>>348860

But what if that just combines the legs and crystal into a stronger monster?

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)21:55 No. 348918 ID: 418acf
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Everyone moves into position and attacks!
Emily and Lenion box Silva in.
Kassandra casts +Accuracy on Overlord.
Overlord fires at the crystal in front of him dealing 10 damage to it.
Ruby double casts fire on the crystal to her right destroying it.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)21:55 No. 348919 ID: 418acf
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Silva twirls around and slashes Emily and Lenion dealing 20 DMG to each.
Silva's lower half moves beside Lenion and strikes for 15 DMG

>>348919
Emily and Lenion weren't able to damage Silva? Is she immune to damage, or what? Did they fail to actually attack?

Well, whatever. Kass should throw heals at the injured people, Overlord blasts the damage crystal and hopefully destroys it, Ruby double-fires the last remaining crystal, and Emily/Lenion either smack Silva or... I don't know, can they go on defense to take less damage when she attacks them again? Is that a thing people can do?

if ruby has enough mp to double cast again she can take the far crystal on her own. then we shoot the damaged one and it will probably break. I think we can end this now.

>>348837
Alright! Ruby move 3 squares right and double blast that crystal in back, Lenion move and whips the other one, Kass puts +def on us and we blast the other crystal as well. If it still isn't broken we move to box in the bitch in again and Emily stays there.

>>348923
Her health seems directly tied to the crystals, attacking her either wouldn't work or cause problems. Those crystals are clearly a major part of the trap she set for us so why fall into it?

(whoever said not to attack her directly had the right idea, just so you know)

Kassandra, move 3 spaces up-right and cast Defense on Overlord to keep the two Silva halves from ganging up on him and breaking our floater in one round.
Ruby, move 3 spaces up-right and doublecast on the far up crystal.
Overlord, move to directly down-right of the legs, and shoot at the left crystal.
Emily, move 3 spaces up-right to block the legs from attacking Ruby/Kass along with overlord.
Lenion, walk over and whip that crystal on the left.

Kas, charge and cast +Accuracy on Overlord. Overlord, blast the crystal again. Ruby, move over three spaces and double fire the last crystal. Emily and Lenion, you two rest to recover hp.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)22:31 No. 348934 ID: 418acf
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Once in position Ruby double casts Fire on the top right crystal destroying it instantly.
Overlord fires again at the top left crystal and destroys it.

Silva looks around in shock

>"H-how... So fast.."

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)22:33 No. 348936 ID: 418acf
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The crystal fragments hit the ground and turn into red dust.
Silva's two have snap back together and a black liquid begins bubbling up from her skin. She lets out a loud scream as the liquid steams forth from every pore on her body.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)22:34 No. 348939 ID: 418acf
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When the liquid clears Silva is more... Compact then she was before.

>Y-you bastard... I will end you! You will rue the day you messed with Silva the Wicked!"

ENSLAVE!!!

...hehe..heheheh. Oh if the irony right now was clothing, we could dress a hundred hipsters.

Enslave her. No amount of money is worth an golden opportunity like this

is she really worth the trouble enslaving her would bring? she would be more than just another fighter since she knows how to make golems and the whole Silvias wine thing, but shes even worse than we used to be. not to mention she really, really, really hates us.

Enslave the bitch. That is nice money though. Oh well.

Let's take her back to the castle, and we'll talk about old times~

Enslave, of course. That's what we came here for, after all.

>>348939
Definitely Enslave. Aw yeah.

>>348939
Oh, no, I don't think that will happen, Silva.

You see, I have a certain potion that would ensure your total loyalty...

ENSLAVE.

Enslaving anything with her talents is a definate must.
"Well, if you won't listen to me right now, I'm sure you'll see it isn't so bad after a few "drinks".

Enslave, that wine alone makes it worth it. Perhaps we could make that potion at a discount with the primary ingredient in out hands. Plus the existing deal for a bottle is of high value to us.

In addition to the wine, she is both a source of knowledge about who we use to be and another potential redemption...and a bit of revenge if she is set on being a bitch to us.

In all, is ALL that really worth just the 250G we would get otherwise? we could grind for that amount easy.

i'm still on the fence, and frankly its less the money and more the treachery that's' making me hesitate. also keep in mind shes likely immune or resistant to corruption potions. not to mention using that sort of thing is a classic example of the fist step down the slippery slope.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)23:05 No. 348955 ID: 418acf
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You decide to enslave your old partner in crime.

She lunges at you but Alice and Emily quickly restrain her.

>Silva: "I WILL END YOU! I WILL KILL ALL WHO HAVE EVER SPOKEN A KIND WORD TO YOU! I WILL RAPE YOUR SERVANT'S BODY AND MIND! EVERYTHING YOU CARE FOR WILL BE DESTROYED BY ME, SILVA THE WICKED!"

>>348955
"That's nice. Come along, now, we have things to do and places to be other than this wasteland."

Heheheheheh.

Request... the potion of corruption. We shall show it to her before we use it. Perhaps that shall put enough fear into her to change her loyalty... but we will probably just have to use it on her.

poke her floaty orb thing that floats between her halves. for the lols.

>>348955
Haha oh wow, her loyalty is NEGATIVE INFINITY! Pull out the corruption potion, and put it at her lips. Even as hateful as she is it'll be more fun to try to bend her to our will first.

"You will behave, or you will be made to behave. Understood?"

"Bluh-bluh, huge bitch...if your quite done, we'll go now."

Then lets check the cave, see if she has any of that wine stored away.

>>348960
>>348958
>>348962
>>348956
>>348959
You guys have style. I like it.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/14(Wed)23:43 No. 348967 ID: 418acf
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You have Ruby hold onto Silva's legs and give Emily the Corruption Potion. She waves it in front of Silva.

"You will behave, or you will be made to behave. Understood?"

Silva's eyes go wide and you can see her lips shut tight. With a nod you have Alice clamp Silva's nose shut forcing her to open her mouth to breath.
Emily pushes the potion into her mouth without letting any of the contents spill into her mouth. Silva seems genuinely terrified of the potion.

"Will you listen to me? Will you serve me?"

>"F-f-fuck you..."

guys, are we really about to forcefully alter someones personality for our own gain? killing her would probably be more humane.

Well we won't get anywhere with her otherwise. Our other options are killing her and letting her go, which is wasteful and dangerous respectively. Tell her you wish you still remembered the time they were together, but you've become new person since then. And now, so will she.

>>348971
Need I remind you who made the potion's key ingredient? Normally I'd agree with what you're saying, but the sheer irony of it makes it alright in my book. (Also, hilarious)

look her in the eyes and say "i really do wish it wouldn't have to come to this. i mean, i don't even know why you are so mad in the first place. i know we used to hang out then i broke it off. but other then that, nothing."

>>348971

We really are, because she's too dangerous to let loose.

>>348960
Seconding force-feeding her the potion, also a speech on how she is powerless in the current situation, and while she was cowering in a cave we were building up our power, real power, and that she isn't helping herself by acting like a spoiled child who hasn't gotten her way.
>>348959
I fully support this, particularly doing it for effect when she starts to struggle harder.

Stare at her.

"You remind me a little of how Alice acted towards me at first. Maybe I should wait a couple days before deciding... will you at least attack my enemies on the battlefield? Destruction is something you enjoy, right?"

I wonder if she'll be able to make wine after the mind control kicks in

I'd have already force fed her, but whatever, this works too.

>>348980
Those aren't our only options. We could also just lock her up somewhere.

However, it doesn't seem like she'd be motivated by anything else. She wants to destroy everything, and she liked us when she thought we wanted to destroy everything. Thus it's not like letting her live will make her think any better of us.

And again, killing her seems wasteful.

>>348967
Voting no.
"I see the fear in your eyes, Sylva.
Luckily for you, the creature you hate is long dead, and I hold him with contempt as well.
I'll give you a few days to work things out."

>>349037
Wait, better idea:
Ask your minions what to do.
Explain that using a potion to rewrite somebody's personality is pretty damn evil.
Explain she's a demon of destruction who exists solely for the sake of destroying and killing.
Explain that she has remnant forces that are loyal to her wandering around, and that the fastest and easiest way to bring them under control is to have her tell them to stop.

Ooh, lets see if the lady who'll trade us a crystal for wine thinks Silva is an acceptable substitute

Silva is, from what I understand, a nihilistic evil bitch. There's no reason to NOT rewrite her personality to be utterly loyal to us. Killing her would be a a complete waste after all.

One thing tough, for the sake of our PR we shouldn't broadcast the fact that Silva is now one of our slave. That means no fielding her in battle against humans.

My vote would be to make her Styx's bottom bitch and have her churn out constructs soldiers to start rebuilding our mook army.

I think we should ask our minions.

feed her the potion

>>349071
I mostly agree, but I would be weary of letting her craft a golem army. What if the fact her own wine is the main ingredient of the corruption potion lends her resistance and she makes them turn on us?

I say we should give her the potion, but only after a few days. I doubt she will submit but for the sake of science TM I wish to have a greater understanding of her personality before and after.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/15(Thu)04:37 No. 349089 ID: 418acf
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You turn to your minions.

"Well... What do you all think?"

>Emily: "I dunno~"
>Kassandra: "Uhm... W-well.... I... Whatever you t-think is okay..."
>Rose: "Do it, we need a cleaner."
>Ruby: "I say do it. She's a bitch anyway."
>Lenion: "...."
>Alice: "I say go for it."
Nyx: -drools goo-

You nod at Emily. She starts tipping the bottle into Silva's mouth. Silva's eyes go wide and she tries to closer her mouth but the bottle has already been pushed past her teeth.

>Silva: "I... I give!!! I'll do anything you say! Please just get that fucking potion away from me! Please!"

>>349089
Check how many stars she has.
If it's above -5 then you can back down and make her swear loyalty instead.
Otherwise, explain that she blew her trustworthiness by setting a trap baited with lies.

Don't use the potion on her, we don't know what effects itll have on her powers and we need her for her wine

>but the bottle has already been pushed past her teeth.
Then how is she talking?

I say hold off. We can always use the potion later (make sure not to lose it!)
Make her swear loyalty for now.

use the potion on her

>>349089
Pull it away
then pretty just much say you don't give a fuck about the past and how you acted and that she should start thinking that way to. It's better then sitting in a cave all day thinking about revenge.
Let's face it, she died the day you betrayed her and you died well, when you died. The difference is that she has her memories. tell her that. She'll listen now, at least, no dramatic shut up moment, no battle to pay attention to, and she's coming down from fear of the removal of personality. She won't have the energy to resist reason.

>>349089
Tell Emily to stop and let her spit out the potion if any got in her mouth. Then we let her recover from the experience, and inform her that yes, she will be on cleaning duty while she is in the fortress. Outside the fortress, however, she will be fighting for us. She likes destruction, correct? She can destroy our enemies.


(Apparently the potion is like, the only way to get a Necromancer, by the way. I'd like to save it for that. Also, it's basically impossible to recruit an Angel without it, although it will turn them into a Greater Demon then... and possibly change their class, I dunno.)

Feed her the potion

Don't feed the potion, there'll be time for that later. I'm seconding >>349098 and, tentatively, >>349100.

Oh, idea.
Regardless on whether you feed her the potion or not, ask her first "why so apprehensive?"
We might get more info on exactly how it works

Just use the dam potion

Well then, let's check her loyalty then.
If it's gone up by a decent amount, (at least enough that you think she'll behave) then get close to the base of the bottle, and let a drop or two trickle into her mouth, move away from her and give her some water to rinse out her mouth. You want to make sure she knows the price of disobedience, or inaction. After all didn't this person betray you and initiate the collapse of your former kingdom? And her nature strikes me as one that needs a bit of comprehension about the consequences of such acts.
If it hasn't, DOWN IT GOOOOOEEEEESSSS. You need loyal allies, and even if you don't remember who you were, one thing is clear, the fact that your army deserted shows that your previous self forgot that it is better to be both feared and loved by not only by your own people, but also by your enemies.

For god's sake she is a evil pisicobitch, use the potion

I say use the potion, she obviously can't be trusted

no potion.

we should use the potion

>>349106
>>349108
what they are saying, i mean just think about it, the reason she betrayed us is that she discovered our good intentions, if we don't use the potion she will just betray us again.

"then kneel and swear loyalty to me."

use potion

Use it. No doubt, without it shevwould always be a liability. And it´s 3 yes, 2-3 maybe and no "n" votes by our minions. It would make us asking pointless if we don´t listen to them anyway.

>>349089
Use the potion. She can't be trusted, our minions gave their approval, and once she's forced into loyalty she can help us make more potions anyway.

She had her chance to promise to serve, and she answered with "fuck you". She doesn't get to change her tune once it's clear that we'll actually carry out our threats.

I'm always in favor of a good mindfuck. Maybe you can make her your concubine afterwards, too.

no potion. and don't make her kneel- it'll make her hate you even more.

I am having trouble thinking of a compelling reason not to give her the potion at the moment, other than MrTT's previously mentioned science experiment, but this still feels like there must be a better way. Just having her as another of our minions seems like kind of a waste. She used to be nearly our equal, right? An independent operator with an army of her own, and the source of an item so rare and valuable we were told it nearly qualifies as an artifact. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

>>349089
"You have to serve me. You have to want to serve me. Do you think you can manage that? I don't think you can."

Then loyalty check. If she has relented to a mere few negative stars, then fine we'll stop. Then we have her kneel and remind her that we are holding onto that potion just for her. The slightest unwillingness to follow any order and her will shall be revoked.

Use the potion on her, then we can have her make the wine, which we will exchange for the dark mana crystal.

Check her loyalty and, as others said, only give it to her if she is still loyalty minus infinity.

Afterward, hand her over to Styx as her new bottom-bi...I mean "assistant".

If we didn't gave her the potion, then commence operation "Tough Love". Also, be sure to tell Styx to work her to the bone but to still remain fair and supporting. Let's see if we can induce Stockholm Syndrome.

That should be our motto with our elites minion: Harsh but Fair.

Use the potion.

Let's not waste the potion. Just because we have Silva does not necessarily mean corruption potions are free.

>>349175
True. Siva's Wine is ONE of the ingredient, not the whole thing.

>>349175
I wonder if having Silva would make the demonologist free...

It occurs to me that Alice just explicitly encouraged us to ensure the loyalty of someone enslaved into our service through forcible mental alteration. I wonder how she meshes that mentally with her own continued reluctance to accept her place as a minion- or if she's bothered to consider its implications at all.

In any case, I think we can consider this a significant milestone on the way to the end state of having her be enthusiastically loyal.

use potion

>>349105
>>349159

I agreed that we should check her loyalty meter are going up first. If not, make sure that Silva drinking all the potion and prepare to say...

Sorry Silva, you shouldn't have betrayed me
at the first place. Prepare to become my... BIATCH!!!

Just use the potion.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/15(Thu)15:04 No. 349227 ID: 8b7065
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You check Silva's loyalty again. It's still the same.

"Emily, do it."

Emily tips the bottle into Silva's mouth, it's terrible contents emptying out.

Once the bottle is empty Emily takes it out of Silva's mouth. She starts coughing and tries to spit out the potion.

>Silva: "You bastard! I'll fucking kill you! You're dead you hear me!? DEAD!"

Silva rips out of Alice and Ruby's graps and lunges at you once more. Before she can reach you she collapses onto the ground.

>Alice: ".... Did we kill her?"

I doubt it could, probably just knocked her out. Her being loyal to us must take a big change.

Restrain her again.

If Silva lost consciousness and it doesn't look like she's going to get it back soon, this might be the time to casually inquire about >>349196. If, further, she doesn't wake up in a reasonable amount of time — 1 minute tops, then GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE before the lvl 34 decides to visit. Upon safe arrival at home, acquire Styx's help in securely housing and waking Silva.

Reconciliation, my ass.

Huh, I wonder if the potion causes memory loss

if it looks like she gonna be out for some long time, we should put her on a bed and let her rest, she is our minion now and we try to treat them well

>>349227
Say "That's a question for philosophers, isn't it?" as if you're feeling a bit distasteful about all this. Because you are.

Go to the demonologist and tell her you don't have any Silva's wine yet, but you DO have Silva. Then recruit her.

No, I think she's just unconscious. That much hate is a bit much for even the corruption potion to easily deal with. Now let's get out of here before that level 34 decides to fight us.

Oh well, goodbye potion. We can buy another later I guess, when we have more money.

I doubt she's dead. Wait a moment. Perhaps tell her to stand up.

yeah, drag her to the demonologist.

>>349235
>>349242
yes brilliant let's tell everybody that not only is Silva alive she now works for us, this can't go wrong


P.S. I'm being sarcastic

Let's get everyone out of there, including Silva. She'll wake up later, most likely. Let's not mention to the demonologist about getting Silva--we can wait until we've got a batch of that Wine, if she can still make it.

We should earn money for those barracks, since we'll be needing them soon. Probably the usual methods or going back to that Fun Fair Town with all the contests.

>>349246
>Tell somebody we have Silva
>immediately recruit them

>>349227
"That woman was already dead, a husk of her former self."

>>349251
Recruitment != enslavement; especially in the sense of not being guaranteed to succeed. I'm voting for information lockdown about Silva's fate.

And, to reiterate, get out of the lvl34's way ASAP.

>>349254
No. She was knocked down a bunch of pegs, but she was still the same person.
Now Silva the Wicked is dead in all but body.

>>349227
"I doubt it. If the potion would have been lethal to her, she would have said so to avoid dying rather than merely begging us not to use it. Let's go home."

Bring Silva.

>>349257
That heavily depends upon how much personality change the potion actually induces. To demonstrate what I mean- if we were to leave before Silva wakes up, would she act differently than she did before? If so, how differently? At the very least, it's likely that her actions would be heavily based upon her former personality and methods; I don't think the potion renders people into completely blank slates, or it would be useless because it would destroy their skills.

Hey, let's not go home without checking out her cave.

>>349261
Right! Lets do that.

... THEN go recruit the Demonologist.

Have Kass examine body.
Search cave for Silva's Wine for Demonologist.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/15(Thu)23:11 No. 349390 ID: 8b7065
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She seems to still be breathing. You have Alice pick Silva up and go investigate her cave.
It's mostly empty save for a few food scraps.
You take everyone and return to the castle. Styx walks up to you to greet you.

>Styx: "Welcome back m-What the!? Is that Silva!?"

"Yes. I used to Corruption Potion on her."

>Styx: "Bring her to my chamber, now!"

You, Styx, and Alice, who's still carrying Silva, rush upstairs. Styx takes Silva from Alice and places her on a bed.

>Styx: "I wish you had brought her here before you used the potion. My Lord I should mention that whoever speaks to her first is the one she will be loyal to. Her memories will be gone, her mind an almost blank slate. You must choose your next words to her very carefully. She will still be as destructive as ever but your words can channel that fury into something more productive."

You hear Silva moan as she opens her eyes.

>Silva: "Huh...? Where am I...? Who are you..?"

"you are within my castle, i am the overlord. and before you ask, the reason you are here is to fight for me against my enemies."

>>349390
"I am the overlord, your old lover. I have lost my memories... You contacted me asking for my help, but when I arrived you seemed crazed and attacked me!" Show her the letter. "I was just trying to help, but was forced to subjugate you to spare your life..."

I am the overlord, your boss. you will fight for me as i try to make the world a better place and in return i will make sure you are never without someone to fight, and shield you from those we would slay your for deeds you cannot remember. You do not remember it but you have wrought great destruction upon the land and there are few who will not seek your death. However I understand what it is to wake up with no memory hated by all. I will judge you only by actions you take from this point forward.

>>349396
we should avoid lying to her. the doll we have will tell her the truth about the past and if she catches us lying it will destroy her trust in us. lies of omission are about as far as we should push deception right now

>>349398
reword your second sentence, i have no idea what you are saying.

>>349390
"I am your master, the Overlord. You are to act at my command, to keep safe myself and my servants from those who threaten us, and to destroy and subjugate my enemies."

>>349396
>>349399
Let's not muck around like this. Styx says to choose our words carefully- so choose words that will get the minion we want, not ones that confuse the issue by providing extraneous data about the past, our plans, or how we plan to treat her in the future. All she needs are basic directives to color her perception of the world and provide her with motivations to channel her personality and actions.

>>349396
I like this. We should also say, "We too have fallen on hard times, seeing as we are just a floating eye and should stick together. We had our differences in the past, but we should stick together and become stronger together rather than apart. Also, we have one of your servants below. She can tell you more about who you are.

Last of all, I wish to apologize to you for any wrongs that I committed against you. I do not know if I was the one who betrayed you or you backstabbed me, but it doesn't matter now. I'm sorry."

We address her issues before they surprise us and I think we can get a squad leader/captain type character who can help if we need to hit two targets or farm gold.

>>349408
what? she doesn't REMEMBER working with us! TELLING HER ABOUT THE PAST IS STUPID!

Well, here goes.

"I am the Overlord my dear Silva... or what is left of him. You see, we used to be companions when were at peek strength, but sadly we were tricked by a group of heroes who managed to have our army betray us and managed to leave us both in a weakened state due to their trickery.

It is a good thing I managed to get your letter in time.*show her the letter* From the looks of it, you suffered a bit of memory lost like I did.

Do not worry though, you are safe here. It's not much, but I am slowly rebuilding the old army from the ground up and hopefully try and fix this world filled with those would use such methods of trickery and deceit and build a better one.

What do you say, willing to help me for old times sake?"

"I am your master, the Overlord. You will destroy whatever I order you to destroy or directly attacks us, and no more."

Everything else is potentially confusing the issue. We can explain more to her after those first words. I tried thinking up a different phrasing, but everything else left open too many possibilities for her to go on a rampage for our sakes (including "destroy our enemies").

>>349419
Good point. I'll support that.

I vote something like "Don't worry, you're safe now, though you may have experienced some memory loss. I am Overlord. You exist to serve me: to do my bidding and smite my enemies. Earlier today, you failed me, and fell in battle. Seeing as you've been unconscious for several hours and likely don't remember anything, you may consider your past forgiven."

You don't tell her any lies, you don't reveal too much information about her past, you establish that she is yours and exists for your service and provide a brief summary of what you expect of her.

When our very first words're so crucial, it's best to be sufficient. Say only what we absolutely need to in order to establish mastery and bring her destructive urges under control.

And I believe establishing the idea of "enough" to be more important than virtually any other explanation we could give. That "and no more" might very well be one of the most crucial things we could say.

We can explain whatever we decide to once our control's been established.

>>349419
Probably the best wording.

>>349424
Good points, all. I wanted to lead off with something like "you're safe," though, to give her a motivation to follow us beyond mind control: we bring her safety. Also, she has at least one non-destructive skill we would also like to harness, and I'm afraid that saying "destroy what I say, and no more" might get interpreted as "destroy what I tell you to but don't do anything else I tell you to do." It needs a "do my bidding AND" in there, or something similar.

I was also thinking that as she's naturally pretty destructive, adding something like "you've failed me once but you've already been punished" would make her naturally inclined to prove herself to you in the future.

So overall what I wanted to do was establish that she does anything and everything we tell her, because we're a protector figure, she failed us, and she wants to prove herself loyal again. You do have a good point about making sure she doesn't go overboard with it, though.

gusy remember the silvias doll we have? it will tell her the truth if we lie to her. not to mention everyone in the tower knows what happened. if we lie to her the question is not will she find out but when will she find out. we are both powerful being that were recently brought low and had our memories removed. we can use that similarity to start building up a rapport.

Yeah, you have to remember she DOES have units loyal to her and she does have the ability to make that wine. Just destruction is bad. Very bad considering what happened last time she thought of just destruction.

We want her to think she owes us. That she isn't compelled, but desires to as a means to keep her pride intact. We do NOT want a mindless killing machine! After all, if we can reform her, not only would it look good to us, but it means the angels would have LESS of a reason to bug us. (we are making it so that people who could wreck the world don't want to.)

Either way, this is the exact situation we woke up in basically and while she was a huge bitch, I would rather see that bitch used in her full potential which means she can get her puppets to obey, she make silva wine, and that we don't repeat what happened last time.

We want to redeem ourselves? Then don't make her a killing machine/slave/ attack dog.

Hmmmm. But I think most important of all is establishing the sense of self-restraint. Remember that this is a person who viewed not going on rampages of pure destruction as a betrayal to her. This isn't someone we can completely treat like usual. Any wording that doesn't address that leaves open the possibility of a repeat.

I actually would like to treat her more idealistically, but she isn't like everyone else we've recruited. She really needs a collar put on her destructive drives.

Do add "You will indulge in your thirst for destruction at MY leisure and MY leisure alone. NEVER outside of it. Understood ?" somewhere in your speech. Most likely at the end or something.

>>349396
I think this sounds like a good option.

>>349427
I agree that we shouldn't lie to her, but we can just tell her what her history is after we've given her the first few critical sentences which will set her new mind firmly on the path to being loyal. It's a matter of the order in which we tell her things, that's all. Now is not the time to discuss anything other than her minionhood.

I would like this to cover more than destruction, orders, and not going berserk, though. She needs some kind of guidance on what constructive activity she should be channeling effort into when left on her own; if we tell her only to follow orders, then she'd go crazy by being trapped into inaction. She needs a useful default action set.

>>349396
>>349399
Seconding these, 07416a has the right tone for this and New Guy's last three sentences are some very important information for her. At least trying to make her more responsible for any actions she will take should go towards changing the way she interacts with others... particularly when guilt is involved.

We need wording specifically devised to address her destructive urges and rechannel them in a more productive manner though. Otherwise, she'll likely act up and potentially lose loyalty stars just for us not engaging in the kind of destruction she wants (leading to a repeat of the previous "betrayal" she saw us as making).

I'm okay with using different wordings than mine, but we really need to address that.

>>349390
Too bad we didn't ask her what it would do before administering the potion like I wanted to.
It didn't ALTER her personality it completely DELETED IT. Most likely she also lost all useful knowledge, like that knowledge of making Silva wine and making golems. Essentially she is dead and what we have here is a new person in her body.

Not that she didn't need killing, mass murdering psycho that she was... But we could have gotten a lot more out of her.

>>349518
not all of it. it reboots her memories about us. she knows how to do all her skills. but her name and face memories are gone. so she is still lvl5 with lvl5 skills. and making the wine is a special skill.

>>349519
If that is true, then excellent.

Yup. It seems to be basic amnesia. She forgets her memories, but her base skills and personality are there.

Now, what do we know so far? She's a proud little bugger. Proud and violent. The proud part is what we should use to ensure she's loyal.
We have a letter with her name asking for help and trying make amends with us even though it was fake at the time. The history around her is pretty common knowledge; she'll find out sooner or later, but since it's common knowledge we can use that to our advantage. After all, people tend to obscure stories so the winners look like heroes all the time. In short, we make it so she knows the history, but make it seem we were both betrayed and tricked by the heroes instead of her betraying us. The only people who were there were Emily, Rose and Styx and I'm sure they would be fine following our plan.

Second; Making it seem like she is our slave won't work too well with that proud personality. Look at Alice. It took us forever and a half to get ONE star and Silva has at LEAST triple her pride and stubbornness from first glance. We don't want her to think she's forced to, we want her to think she wants to. We were her ally, we were both wounded and even in our state we came to her aid and rescued her. We have written proof and I'm sure our other minions would like to see her taken down a peg mentally when she realizes we saved her life and will help us there. Add it all together and her own pride that made it damn hard to relate to could be used to make her loyal based on the fact that:
1: We were allies in the past.
2: We were both harmed greatly.
3: Even in such a state, we responded to her cries and took her to a safe place.
4: Make her think that we did this out of our kindness(which we technically did)
5: Watch as her wheels turn as she realizes that she owes us so much that her own pride would REQUIRE her stick by her side. Life for a life and such.

holy shit, the letter. you guys are geniuses. I support showing her the letter. we should tell her we found her like this.

Guys. No. That is dumb.

She is slaved to our will. Complete loyalty, as is the entire point of the potion. No facts about her past will make her more loyal. What we are doing now is establishing her focus. Showing her the letter and talking about her past will just muddle the issue. And that's bad.

>>349567
I agree. Don't show her the letter

>>349419
Voting for this phrasing

..Really? After all that talk about how we should try to redeem yourselves and you want to turn her into nothing more than a tool? The whole erasing her personality issue and you go along with not giving her any purpose other than to kill? THIS is the sort of thing that calls the Angels on us.

Also, didn't you stop to think there is more to the words being key other than what her purpose is? Such as why she is loyal to us? Yeah the potion is pretty strong, if it keeps her personality intact, it's most likely a suggestion base potion. That means that while she will be loyal, what we say in these first few moments is going to cement how well it sticks. We give her reasons to be loyal to us and they will stick a lot easier. We just say do this and we may undo the entire thing.

We want to have her know why she is loyal to us. Why she wants to be loyal to us. Why she would still want to be loyal to us down the road. We do it right, and even if hundreds of her dolls show up with her photo album and stories, she would stick to us anyways.

Beside, remember why our army left us in the first place, because they were either not loyal, or saw no reason to be loyal. So... lets give her an ACTUAL reason to be loyal other than 'I'm the boss and I say so!'

>>349578
No, seriously. It is complete loyalty via a magic potion. It doesn't matter how your personal magic system would work like. Suggestion potion my ass. It costs 1000 gold for a reason. That reason is complete loyalty. Think of it as unbreakable mind control, if that helps you understand what 'complete' means.

Whether or not she is merely a tool will be defined by how we treat her after we focus her fury in a constructive manner. Which is what we are doing right now.

>>349583
exactly. We already broke her. We shouldn't confuse her with all this history stuff.
However, we should treat the new her well. I presume that she will start out with 3 stars but can go up or down on loyalty from that.

Actually, why even focus on her destructive tendancies? shouldn't those be gone? and if they aren't gone then still we shouldn't mention them.
Just as showing her the letter is not a good idea, neither is telling her about her past as a destroyer.

A simple "Hello Silva, how are you feeling?" would suffice and be the best starting point.

Re: destructive tendencies:

>>349390
>"She will still be as destructive as ever but your words can channel that fury into something more productive."

>>349396
This.

>>349589
Oh lawl. You know we can see your ID, right?

>>349636
i agree,
>>349589
you just earned a negative vote for seconding yourself.

>>349589
>Seconding yourself

SHAME ON YOU.

-1 vote on that idea.

>Gets caught up after bunch of surprisingly early quizzes in college
>Mindfucking in thread/story
Way to keep it classy tgchan

I agree, let's go for the "Show her the letter", play the "You had gone crazed and attacked us, and we were forced to take you in to give you a chance to recover." This way, any amnesia makes sense, it's a plausible excuse, and one that we have hard evidence behind (Even if the evidence was intended to be fake, she doesn't know that she intended this).

It's a good plan, makes the best use of our resources, and gets us someone /Wanting/ to work with us, as opposed to a chancy mind-rape that might be reversed at a bad time (Which is almost certainly.)

Remember, the reason Evil Overlords tend to lose is because they're too quick to play around with Mind Control, and when someone figures out a way to counter it, all of their elites turn against them. We need to bind them to our will from loyalty, and not sorcery.

The potion in this case was necessary, as it gives us a /Chance/ to win her loyalty. Do not go further then that, or I guarantee it'll either backfire, or she'll lose that which made her so useful to us in the first place.

>>349668
>This way, any amnesia makes sense, it's a plausible excuse
One of our minions is going to tell her that we used a corruption potion on her sooner or later. They'll probably tell her that she was a huge bitch and hated our guts, too. We're not going to be able to keep that a secret in the long term; therefore it is utterly stupid to even try a different excuse for her amnesia or claim that we will somehow win her loyalty through deception.

Better to not make any secret of it, and trust in the mind control to hold anyway. It's honestly not that much different from what we've got on all our other minions; just the difference between "yeah I enslaved you, now do what I say" and "yeah I enslaved you and rewrote your personality so that you'll go along with it, now do what I say". Both are pretty horrific violations of their person by any objective standard, but fuck it, we're an evil overlord and are powering through with 'em anyway.


All she needs is orders that will channel her destructive personality constructively. That means not attempting to block it off with "don't hurt things without orders" or similar, and not messing around with reasons and history. Something like "protect me and my servants", which will leave her constantly on guard against threats or engaging in defensive projects, maybe.

this isn't programming a robot here. this is the start of a working relationship with someone whose mind we just reset. we don't want to be giving her basic directive we want to start forming a good boss/employee relationship. this is about making a first impression not setting the basic operating directives of an antomoton

>>349676
No, it is basically programming a robot. That is what Styx told us. What we say now will define how she behaves. It's mind control. How many times do I have to say it? Are you that dense or just trolling?

>>349686
she said the next one she speaks to will be the one she will be loyal to and to choose our next words with care. there is more than one level of mind control, and if it leaves enough free will to leave a worthwhile minion this is more like a first impression than programming a robot.

I agree with new guy on. This. In fact, I agree with most of the giving her a reason to like us. The majority have reasons behind them and all I here from the tool side is either that the other side is stupid or it's too complicated.

Unless you can provide a statement that can actually give reason for us to choose your way, we will likely try to take the good path and NOT make her a useless tool.

Heck here's the pros and cons I see in both sides;
Use potion to make Silva indebted to us/like us naturally.
Pros: Has her act more natural. First thoughts are not of violence which can make keeping her under control easier. Redeeming her would get us major brownie points when she is ready. Silva wine and her vast army of dolls joining us. If she truly likes us, if she regains her old memories back, she will stick to us out of respect.
Cons: May muddle things, may not make her a super killing machine. Takes time.

Making her a tool path:
Pros: We get a level 5 dancer as our attack dog. Will follow only our orders.
Cons: World may see that in a bad light. Silva's army may not obey a attack dog. She may not be able to make wine since she will only focus on destruction. If she breaks free, she will go right at us. Seeing someone treated as a tool may lower loyalty among the more good aligned members. She is weaker than most of our front liners right now. May cause her to revert back to what she was like before.

By all means, tell me how making her a tool will help us and tell us exactly where Styx says she is a complete blank slate. Last I checked, violent tendencies are not one of the signs of a blank state.

>"You must choose your next words to her very carefully. She will still be as destructive as ever but your words can channel that fury into something more productive."

I think this is very clearly stating that what we say now will define how she behaves.

Every single argument I've heard so far supporting telling her tales or trying to convince her to reform or whatever has ignored what we've been told about the corruption potion and what we're being told to do now. People are just making up their own interpretation of how the corruption potion should work and saying that it's fact. You are all wrong. We've been told how it works, and it does not work the way you think it does.

Stop being wrong.

>>349702
Could you explain exactly what you mean when you say we know how the potion works? I recall we were told the potion would weaken there will and make them more compliant when we asked how it worked, but styx was rather vague overall if I’m remembering correctly. if you can point at where it is said or suggested that the potion turns the drinker into a automaton we can go about working out how to best program her. but if not we should assume it acts as soft mind control (makes her like us but she is still her own person) rather than hard mind-control (she is now a robot who obeys us.) because if we are wrong about how it works and we act as if its hard mind control we damage her loyalty to us and make it harder to build trust in the future. if we are wrong and act as if its soft mind control we can imbed the basic operating principal o ”f focus your rage on our enemies” into the speech.

>>349705
>Styx: "A corruption potion. It forcibly bends someone to your [will], giving them three loyalty. The one who drinks it loses their will to fight against you and will join your cause. It's only downside is that if it is used on any Holy people they will lose their class. Angels become Demons, Clerics become Necromancers. This one is free but each one from now on will cost you G1000. Use them wisely.."

I seem to remember Larro speaking of it in IRC as if it were stronger than just setting them to 3 stars of Loyalty though. He's changed elements of the quest before without saying so in the thread itself... Not major ones of course.

Anyway it doesn't matter. Whether it works as soft mind control or hard mind control... it's still mind control and right now we are specifying what the guidelines of the mind control are. I was never saying she would be a mindless automaton anyway. Within the guidelines, she will be her own person.

Perhaps you could say we are about to tell her what our 'cause' is so that she will 'join' it?

I hate making big decisions like this when we are unsure of how a key element works. we can probly come up with something that will work regardless of how the potion works. something that is reaching out to her and starts by setting what she will be doing. how about something like this


I am the overlord. Your rage shall destroy those who would harm my followers or stand in my way. this bit is seting her new directive and can be altered to contain what we think would be the best core progaming. it just has to be worded to fit with the next bit

in return I shall protect you from those who would destroy you for unremembered deeds. You do not remember it but you have wrought great destruction upon the land and there are few who will not seek your death. However I understand what it is to wake up with no memory hated by all. I will judge you only by actions you take from this point forward.
this bit is if we still need to get a good working relationship going with her. it can be swapped out more or less interdependently of the first bit. this set up should get the best result regardless of how the potion works. just make sure the first and second parts don't clash to much.

Ok, that's more reasonable. So long as she is still a person, that part is not a problem to me.

The reason why I myself want the back story a bit is more so that she has something to cling on to. When one of her minions appear and asks why she joined up with us, she would have a clear answer. If they think we saved her, they would be a lot more loyal to us.

As such, we go with the story that she was with us before. This will cement us as someone she can trust if she dealt with us in the past. Tell her about the letter to show her that she wanted our aid and trusted us enough to ask for our help. After all, who else would she ask help from than someone who she could trust completely? After that, we can then establish the other things. Her skill, her duties, what she is capable of, the past from our view, ect.

We do it right and to her it would seem like we were just informing her of the most obvious stuff that she forgot. A nice easy transition that seems perfectly natural.

My example: Ah, you're up Silva. I am the Overlord, an old ally of yours. You called for my help and I responded. When I arrived, you were wounded and in a frenzy and I had to knock you. Don't worry, take your time to recover. You're safe here.

We show her the note to use as proof, then we ease her into her role. Saying she was in a frenzy when we tried to help would make her realize that her rage isn't exactly a good point and that we helped her after that would further aid that.

Well, does this seem like a proper compromise?

"You don't remember me, your ex-lover?
Your obsessive compulsive destruction of everything finally bit you in the ass."
Then show her the letter
"By the time I rescued you you were mostly crippled and completely crazed.
You'll be safe here, and I'm going to help you get those urges under control."
Then turn around and start floating away.
"If you can't remember what you did to me, then I suppose I'll have to forgive you."

>>349713
I think this sounds like a good idea,it's all the truth but not telling her things that could bite us in the ass later..

>>349708

that reminds me; if Silva can't make the wine for whatever reason, we should ask Styx where she gets the potion from- obviously, someone's got access to the ingredient, and Styx has access to that person, and we have access to Styx.

I agree with seven. Let's do this.

>It's only downside is that if it is used on any Holy people they will lose their class.
>Her memories will be gone, her mind an almost blank slate.

How the hell is that not a downside? Styx has some explaining to do once we're done dealing with Silva.

>>349713
This sounds good, let's go with it.

>>349713
keep in mind that she will be told exactly what happened between us at some point. also this is a terrible way to great her. no mater how the mind control works this will not get her to work with us at all.

>>349713
I think we should drop ex-lover bit, and the forgiveness thing. Instead keep it more vague.

>>349896
I think Silva is effected more strongly because of her extensive experience with and hate for us. The potion needs to do far more to have its effect.

>>349766
When we beat her fluid shot out of all her body, I'm assuming that was the wine or the main ingredient for it.

Okay, okay, guys. Look at this.

>>/questdis/352864/

so something along the lines of i'm your boss, with maybe some other hints that we work well together then.

off the top of my head
" I am the overlord, your master. in exchange for your loyalty i provide targets for your rage and protection from those who would destroy you. "

So her memories are poofed, but her personality, skills and such are there.

Simple enough, we can easily just say we are old friends, she asked for our help, she attacked us while weakened and crazed and now she will work for us so she can repay us for the favor.

It does look like the potion makes them reason in their head that they should serve us, so physical reminders and links would have it make more sense to her.

After all, if she fought by our side before, it makes sense for her to fight by our side again.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)11:49 No. 350073 ID: e85cf5
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"I am the Overlord, your master. You are Silva, and you shall use your destructive powers to harm only those I say to harm and those who attack me or your comrades."

Silva looks at you still very confused.

>"O-okay... How did I get here? I don't remember anything."

"You and I had both been terribly wounded in the past. I had lost track of where you were until I received a letter from you."

Emily shows her the letter.

"I went back to get you but in a frenzy you attacked me. I had to use force to bring you down. Since you were out of your mind I will not reprimand you for such actions."

Silva nods, accepting the half truths.

>"Right.. Okay. Sorry my Lord."

Styx whispers to you.

>"Well done."

Get Emily to dispense a hug to Silva.

Can she remember anything about that wine making process? Any clues? What about construct creation?

I know you nearly died and that's a decent justification of your amnesia, but ask Styx if, before you were defeated, if someone used that potion on you. The circumstances seem too similar to be coincidences.

The first person that spoke to you was Emily, so if that's so, she's technically your Master, but she didn't use any words telling you to obey her and told you that she is your servant instead, so it got weirdly flipped.

I'm just saying, simple amnesia from near death seems to storybooky. Someone might have tried to control you.

Get out of earshot of Silva and tell Styx that we want the wine collected as soon as possible, does she know how to extract it? Then go investigate the doll. If it is only an extension of Silva then it should have forgotten just as much and be loyal to us. However if it remembers... we may need to break it down for scrap. A pity but we don't want that kind of liability. If it is merely unresponsive then we keep it put away where Silva won't be near it.

What do we want the wine for? What we want is her skill at making constructs.

We want the wine so we can trade with that demonologist for a dark mana crystal...or to recruit them.

ask Silva about what she equips and her skills and stuff. also ask her about the wine.

>>350093
get the wine and we get the demonologist. also the price of more corruption potions drops.
and may as well bring in the doll and have them sort it out.

tell her that it's a bit mixed up because it went off after we were separated so it only knows what it THINKS was her will.

>>350093
That's nice and all, but there is a demonologist who wants the wine. She has the dark mana crystal we need to power our new body, and we should be able to recruit her as well.

>>350097
We shouldn't ask her things we should already know the answer too. We can ask the demonologist instead.

>>350073
Alright, we will need to get Lenion to order the doll to never speak of Silva's past to her. Or our past.

First thing's first we want to get that wine so we can get the Dark Mana Gem. Also possibly recruit the demonologist. So ask Silva about the wine.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)13:09 No. 350119 ID: e85cf5
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"Silva, I must ask, do you still know how to make your wine?"

>"What? Yeah of course I do, how the hell could I forget that?"

She seems to have recovered already.

She grips the ball connecting her two halves and squeezes it. A dark red liquid drips out of it. Styx grabs onto a cup and begins filling it. At about half full the orb stops dripping.

>Silva: "I'm out already!? Sorry but that's all for a few days or so."

You notice there is frost on the outside of the cup. Whatever the liquid is it seems to stay cold.

>Styx: "My Lord.. This small cup could sell for G5000."

Excellent. Next stop: demonologist.

Well first we tell Lenion to keep her doll's mouth shut about Silva and our past.

>>350119
Still cheaper than a dark mana crystal by half. Have Styx bottle that up and then let's go see that demonologist. Check on the doll first though I want to know it's current state.

go get the dark mana crystal

newwwww bodyyyyyyy...

>>350079
so I take it this isn't a concern?
Just saying, kinda worried here someone tried to control you. I mean, you weren't in the end, but I'm just a bit worried about something bigger than taking over the world, someone taking over you. Don't act like it can't happen again, no matter how much more loyal troops you can get and how much more acceptable you are to the public. If there's someone out there that wants you, they'll try there damn best to get you.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)13:35 No. 350132 ID: e85cf5
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You consider the possibility that you yourself may have been mindcontrolled. It's possible but such things are typically undetectable. There's no way of knowing if that was attempted on you.

You decide to take the wine to the demonologist instead. As you head out you check on Silva's Doll

>SD: "Yes my Lord?"

If you could smile you would. Things seem to have turned out better then expected.

You make your way back to where the demonologist was and see her examining some tentacle.

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)13:37 No. 350133 ID: e85cf5
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"Miss Demonologist."

She turns to you.

>???: "Oh hey you're back."

"Yes and I have something for you."

You have Emily show her the wine.

>???: "Woah! You actually managed to get some! What do you want for it!? The crystal?"

"That is a possibility. Another is your service. I am in need of a demonologist."

Ask for her services.

Tell her we do need the crystal, but more than that we want her. Her and the crystal, in exchange for this wine and more later.

>>350133
"I would take the crystal in trade, yes, but I would like to expand the deal. You see, I happen to have very recently added Silva to my forces. If you join me then you'll have free access to the source herself.
We also have a health plan that includes dental.
Are you interested?"

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)13:50 No. 350141 ID: e85cf5
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"Yes, we do need the crystal. However what we want most is you."

>".... Wait, you're not asking for 'that' kind of stuff are you?"

>>350141
Uh... well, we wouldn't turn her down but that's not what we're getting at. Services as a demonologist!

"Miss, I'm a floating eyeball. My crotch was destroyed months ago. I may like harem's and, while I have no idea about what my past self thought of the whole harem thing, hell, I'll have to ask my older servants about that later, it's mostly for ego. My sex drive went with my body. I don't even think the new body I'm building with that crystal will ever bring that back."

>>350141
Continue without missing a beat
"No, Sadly, I'm not equipped for that anymore.
I mean I could use a Demonologist in my forces.
I recently added Silva to my forces, so you would be able to get her wine directly from the source. We also offer a health plan that includes dental."

>>350141
"...I wish to acquire your services as a demonoligst. I mean, really. I don't even HAVE- um look, give me the crystal, pledge your loyalty to me, and you can have more wine as well as a privileged position in my forces."

>>350141
"...I'm an EYEBALL. What do YOU think?"

"Not since I lost my junk along with the rest of my body. Jerk."

Wounded Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)14:06 No. 350154 ID: e85cf5
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"Miss I'm an eyeball, I don't even have the right... Look just come work for me as a Demonologist and you'll have all the wine you could want and so much more."

>"Oh okay then. I was just checking, I really wouldn't have minded. Alright then, I'll work for you."

-Demonologist Megan Nekkoh added to party.
Barracks needed ASAP.=

well? can we have the crystal?

okay, seems we are full up for now. have time to kill a few more things?

>>350079

This seems to be a world where it's very hard to kill people but relatively easy to brainwash them. I wonder if anyone stays who they were for long.

>>350141

If "that kind of stuff" means your skills at demonology, then yes! We're a floating eyeball, I don't think we can do much of what you might be implying.

>>350154
Ok, lets give the crystal to Styx, then start construction on a barracks.

... err... How much cash are we short?

go get your body, then for testing it we can fight some bosses, we can get alot of money from them

>>350154
Overlord, despite you lacking in the body department, sigh in disappointment that she wouldn't have minded if you did ask. You know, for man points.

You know, I don't think we've met many dudes out here. There was that one merc right? Did they become rare or something?

>>350154
Finally! Let's get our new body in order.

Then it's time for making money.

... So, does recruiting the demonologist mean we get the crystal, or does she get to keep it?

Overlord 2011/09/18(Sun)14:26 No. 350175 ID: e85cf5
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She hands you the Dark Mana Crystal and follows you back to your castle.
Inside you have your other minions greet her. She's rather shocked at the assortment you have.

You leave Megan to chat with the rest of the group and go to Styx's chambers.

>Styx: "What can I do for you my Lord?"

"I have the Dark Mana Crystal."

>Styx: "!! Perfect! Come here."
--------------------------------------------

-Class changed to Overlord.
New body gained.
Stats changed.-

>Styx: "There you go my Lord. For G100 I can keep upgrading it to make it stronger and even faster. Right now I'd say you're at level 3 in terms of your body. I could probably get it all the way to level 20 if needed."

ask if eventually you can get a flight attachment or something.

uhh, no thanks. let's go get some money instead.

also do a little dance now that you have limbs.

>>350175
Not bad. What about the sword and gun, can we use them like this? How about that dolls staff? If we can't make good use of those we might as well sell them off.

cannibalize your old body. have the blaster embedded in the forearm, left. and if the shield can work plug that in too.

>>350175
Excellent. Now we can hug people and/or grab their butts.

Can we make facial expressions? Test out our most evil grin.

Make the eyeball into a golem

>>350175
Right now we need a barracks, so the upgrade to your body will have to wait.
Since we're going to want to recruit all the bosses, lets send people out to kill crap while we go back to those challenges. We can totally kick the champion's ass.

>>350184
the eyeball was popped off the platform and plugged into this body's forehead.