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1118577 No. 1118577 ID: 62c8a2

The final part of the cat problem.

Chapter 1

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1067335.html

Chapter 2 Part 1

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1082765.html

Chapter 2 Part 2

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1095767.html

Chapter 2 Part 3

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1107808+50.html

Side Quest Familiar Unfamiliarity

https://questden.org/kusaba/questarch/res/1098087.html

Spinoff Hero vs Villain Dynamic

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1106150.html

Discussion Thread

https://questden.org/kusaba/questdis/res/140583.html
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No. 1123193 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123193

I have to apologize OMNI, I was creating this short update when there was a three-way tie, and I just had to respond to the wall of text. Honestly, I don't consider this an update. So, previous suggestions are still considered valid. Of course, you are free to change your suggestions if you want.
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No. 1123194 ID: 411eab

I'm still sticking to my suggestion of Dizelu since I think it's important to talk to him considering everything, but I will say if we leave that cat alone, and spy rat survives, there's a chance spy rat will end up in Vance's world, and we could get some info about the place he lives at, which I don't know is a good thing or a bad thing considering where he came from. One thing is for certain, there's no doubt what that rat will witness there will be stupid and deranged.
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No. 1123223 ID: fd169b

>>1123194
aw but that would exile the poor rat. Unless he could find some way back. We should rescue him before that happens
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No. 1123241 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123241

This is just a short announcement. Tomorrow, I will update the rotten apple quest, and this is who is in the lead. Nalthar, you changed your previous vote to W2K. You are still free to change your minds.
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No. 1123253 ID: ca56f7

>>1123193
eh it's all good

>>1123241
still voting zirzam. though i considered making a 4-way tie just to be evil heheh...
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No. 1123277 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123277

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) I have no more questions.

B) I do have more questions for you.

C) I am not sure.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123285 ID: 10df43

A. Also Thank him and tell him you hope he enjoy the performance, the kingdom you want to help had a troupe that will perform tonight.

Dizelu time
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No. 1123291 ID: fd169b

A)
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No. 1123326 ID: aae3fb

C)
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No. 1123340 ID: 1ca945

Well we sorta already knew that stuff. He really wants the castle. Our knowledge of the castle is too limited to see why he will fight to get the castle. Except that he hates us. ...Guess we never did give the order to search the castle for secrets though? We should do that if we failed to and have surplus manpower to find stuff
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No. 1123381 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123381

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Fine, I will eat it.

B) It is too hot, maybe it should cool off first.

C) I don't like apples.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123384 ID: f3fa97

A. Go ahead and eat up. You can eat the same way yoU showed the bleeding baroness your lips, and well, even if you can’t, I think most of the people who we didn’t want your identities revealed to are already gone from this room (like especially that angel pear and her partner, and Kenku to name a few) I think it should be fine to reveal yourself to him if we can’t properly eat with part of it on. It’ll probably be a bit funny too to see his reaction after he said all that to you. It’ll put you in a higher position to him as we try to convince him to our side (especially after Grand Marshall used that perk on him)

Abdle, if you are offended by Bobbie eatting apples, just remember that you are actually a demon, and even if you aren’t a demon, you are too rotten for anyone to want to eat (except worms)
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No. 1123387 ID: ca56f7

a). eat it slowly so you can keep an eye on his body language.
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No. 1123405 ID: fd169b

A) eat leisurely, surely his food will arrive soon too.

I was going to say you should stare at his face while you eat and see if he gets uncomfortable, but you're both wearing masks so that wouldn't work, darn
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No. 1123408 ID: 884872

Alright this is not a coincidence, Cliparton knows who we are but who is he? As for the pie, eat it slowly.
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No. 1123412 ID: 411eab

>>1123387
yes especially if he tries to remove his mask in front of you.
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No. 1123429 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123429

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Maybe you should approach this problem a different way.

B) I will not accept your offer.

C) I don't think your plan will work.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123433 ID: 8fd6c0

Play the fool. "We've heard a little. Supposedly she denied she killed Rage. Why's she an issue though? She's surrounded by groups of Humans. She'd have to deal with the uh... Stairwells and Skull cleavers?"
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No. 1123436 ID: fd169b

>>1123433
go with that
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No. 1123469 ID: 411eab

Yeah, this is probably are best way to change the narrative

something like "hmmm... While there has been talk that Bobbie killed Ramming Rage, I have not once seen her claim any sort of credit for that.
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No. 1123472 ID: 884872

Try to use this conversation as a opening to start a collaboration between our kingdom and his guild.
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No. 1123509 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123509

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Pretend like her kingdom doesn't exist.

B) Turn her kingdom into an alliance with your guild.

C) Make it seem her kingdom was already destroyed by heroes.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123515 ID: 411eab

Not voting yet as I need to think, but as it was mentioned here, >>1121124 Dizelu needs proof of villagers making deal and alliances with monsters before he considers an alliance between the guild and Bobbie's kingdom. If anyone can think up some proof, we might be able to convince him.

I also think that mentioning that his own guild having monsters as some of their employees might help push to convince him if he's still not convinced.
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No. 1123538 ID: acdcf8

Well color me surprised. We have actual overlords to deal with yet the kingdoms are worried about that upstart with a castle surrounded by Humans? She's practically besieged! Why the stars show more danger from the overlords ooh hoo hoo! How about this. Should she pull off a miracle and conquer the locals we'll lobby for a large sum of money so heroes can crush her with extreme prejudice. (Whole idea is to buy time so that others see we're working with the locals. Zero conquering. We relieve the pressure he's dealing with. With that he can change his mind.)
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No. 1123547 ID: fd169b

>>1123538
I think what they are thinking is that they should crush her before she has a chance to grow into an overlord fully.

Tell him that you forsee, if Bobbie is to fall, that she will just be replaced by more upstarts. But if she were to ally with the kingdoms...
After all, she would only become an overlord if she is pushed to it.
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No. 1123564 ID: 884872

>>1123547
This sounds like the best way to approach the current situation.
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No. 1123618 ID: 3271cf

>>1123547
I wonder if Bobbie should add that the upstarts that would take bobbies place if she dies would be likely more dangerous than Bobbie, just to help manipulate Dizelu to the direction we want him to go
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No. 1123621 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123621

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Sure, I am ready to talk with him.

B) Who is he?

C) No, I don't want to talk with him right now.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123622 ID: fd169b

B) also I think this guy may have figured out who you are
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No. 1123628 ID: ca56f7

don't answer too eagerly or suspiciously. keep your cool. B).
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No. 1123630 ID: e498e5

What are you implying? Why you seem to believe we can say things Bobbie or a representative would. Why is that now? Let's get a feel of pretense dropping. (Guy is probably the one who is opposed. Still, pays to be sure. 2.)
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No. 1123631 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123631

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) I don't think it would be a good idea to speak with him.

B) Sure thing.

C) Maybe we could talk with him some other time.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123806 ID: 884872

B)
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No. 1123814 ID: ca56f7

B). it's a bit safer that he wouldn't be here in person. what kind of device will they be communicating through?
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No. 1123864 ID: fd169b

B) I suppose
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No. 1123871 ID: fe0bf7

B, Let's meet him! we're interested in seeing what kind of hero he is.
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No. 1123893 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123893

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Start the conversation with a pleasant opening.

B) Start the conversation with a cautionary opening.

C) Start the conversation with the accusatory opening.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123899 ID: bdb438

D) Start the conversation with being brief and to the point. The hero said he is busy, and the vibe im getting is that he probably doesn’t want to waste time with pleasantries

“Salutations, Maxwereus, in respect for your time, I’ll keep it brief and to the point: I, Ebbio the Stargazer represent Bobbie’s kingdom of monsters, and we believe it will be for the benefit for both the guild and Bobbie’s kingdom if an alliance was formed.”
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No. 1123900 ID: cb09e7

Let's try to scear him
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No. 1123904 ID: 374bbc

me personally, Not sure if scaring him is a good idea, dude is a brave hero after all. Would probably hurt our chances in negotiations.
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No. 1123928 ID: 884872

>>1123904
I changed my suggestion, you are correct with your idea.
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No. 1123973 ID: 6ca3f9
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1123973

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Yes, that is my name.

B) No, it is not my name.

C) I don't want to answer your question.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1123977 ID: 23562b

D. hmmmmm... I'm sorry Max, but that answer you gave me is very confusing and contradictory to the facts that I cannot yet give you my answer to your own question yet.

See: if a kingdom having more monsters than humans in it makes its ruler an overlord, then that would make steinhardt an overlord, would it not? he rule over monster birds, and yet, a representative of the guild, Dizelu, is here from his invite. Are you insinuating steinhardt is an overlord too then? That would mean your guild shouldn't be doing any business here, should it?

Ergo, If the guild has any kind of alliace with steinhardt, then see no issues with forming peace between Dizelu's guild, and Bobbie and Abdle's kingdom ooh hoo hoo.

Not to mention, Bobbie and Abdle's kingdom does have a village of humans residing at the kingdom that could use heroes from the guild to help them, they did have a thieving cat causing mischief to them the other day.
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No. 1123996 ID: fd169b

C) it hardly matters. Your corrupt system makes negotiation impossible. You pick and choose which races are monsters purely on how you can best use them. If they aren't useful you declare them monsters so you can play-act at being righteous when you slaughter them.
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No. 1124002 ID: 11c5fd

A) calmly answer his questions, we need to show him that we are not scared of him.
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No. 1124036 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124036

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) I am sorry about the thing that happened to you, but Bobbie is not associated with the sister of Abdel.

B) Maybe you deserved what happened to you.

C) Bobbie is not capable of doing anything like that.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124040 ID: fe0bf7

Well, now we got more to work with to help with negotiations. lets see... Him being a living lie detector is going to make things a bit more difficult, but I'm glad he revealed his hand so soon so that we can work around this early, so here's my thought process:

A will just alert him that we are lying. We have been associated with Abdle's sister before.

B will just ruin this whole negotiation for being rude against him.

I C is the safe way to go if we want any kind of chance of becoming allies with the guild, and gaining all it's perks (like those constructs for example) However, that comes with the cost of potentially revealing a weakness.

however, might I suggest:

D. His hatred for Eldba has common ground with Abdle. Ever heard of the enemy of my enemy is my ally? perhaps we can use that example here? I know Abdle has dislike towards his sister Eldba, and that is no lie, so that shouldn't trigger his lie detection.

Something Like "oh... You poor soul... I never realized she did that to you... My deepest condolences."
"Perhaps there is a way we can help you. You see, it may come to shock you that the great Abdle also has a hatred towards Elbda like you."
"Just how deep is your hatred of Elbda is? If it comes to it, would you be willing to work with us in common ground, and ally with a demon ruler of monsters to take down Eldba for everything she did to you? Because a partnership between the guild, and Abdle's and Bobbie's kingdom could be your one and only big chance to defeat her. You just have to let go of your prejudice of all monsters, and be willing to work with them if both you and Abdle want to surpass her. What do you say? deal?"


but yeah overall, D is my main choice. C is my second.
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No. 1124043 ID: d9de51

>>1124040 Well "Abdle hates Eldba too" was my first choice too. However beware using "surpass" since it implies Abdle may surpass her *in cruelty* so... watch it huh? Eldba never read the evil overlord list eh?
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No. 1124044 ID: e6bcd2

Oh more stuff. "So if she allies with the bannisers would that fix the locale issue?" "Pragmatism dictates an alliance would let you focus on worse demons while heroes surveil Bobbie for signs of dangerous activities."
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No. 1124047 ID: fe0bf7

>>1124043
Oh yeah, very good point, thanks. Perhaps instead of "surpass her" use the word "defeat her"

and maybe leave out the "my deepest condolences" from the start, juuuuust in case. would suck if the lie detection activates if Bobbie says that but doesn't mean it. Maybe "I can't imagine how that must have felt" would be better.
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