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1118577 No. 1118577 ID: 62c8a2

The final part of the cat problem.

Chapter 1

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1067335.html

Chapter 2 Part 1

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1082765.html

Chapter 2 Part 2

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1095767.html

Chapter 2 Part 3

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1107808+50.html

Side Quest Familiar Unfamiliarity

https://questden.org/kusaba/questarch/res/1098087.html

Spinoff Hero vs Villain Dynamic

https://questden.org/kusaba/quest/res/1106150.html

Discussion Thread

https://questden.org/kusaba/questdis/res/140583.html
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No. 1123996 ID: fd169b

C) it hardly matters. Your corrupt system makes negotiation impossible. You pick and choose which races are monsters purely on how you can best use them. If they aren't useful you declare them monsters so you can play-act at being righteous when you slaughter them.
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No. 1124002 ID: 11c5fd

A) calmly answer his questions, we need to show him that we are not scared of him.
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No. 1124036 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124036

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) I am sorry about the thing that happened to you, but Bobbie is not associated with the sister of Abdel.

B) Maybe you deserved what happened to you.

C) Bobbie is not capable of doing anything like that.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124040 ID: fe0bf7

Well, now we got more to work with to help with negotiations. lets see... Him being a living lie detector is going to make things a bit more difficult, but I'm glad he revealed his hand so soon so that we can work around this early, so here's my thought process:

A will just alert him that we are lying. We have been associated with Abdle's sister before.

B will just ruin this whole negotiation for being rude against him.

I C is the safe way to go if we want any kind of chance of becoming allies with the guild, and gaining all it's perks (like those constructs for example) However, that comes with the cost of potentially revealing a weakness.

however, might I suggest:

D. His hatred for Eldba has common ground with Abdle. Ever heard of the enemy of my enemy is my ally? perhaps we can use that example here? I know Abdle has dislike towards his sister Eldba, and that is no lie, so that shouldn't trigger his lie detection.

Something Like "oh... You poor soul... I never realized she did that to you... My deepest condolences."
"Perhaps there is a way we can help you. You see, it may come to shock you that the great Abdle also has a hatred towards Elbda like you."
"Just how deep is your hatred of Elbda is? If it comes to it, would you be willing to work with us in common ground, and ally with a demon ruler of monsters to take down Eldba for everything she did to you? Because a partnership between the guild, and Abdle's and Bobbie's kingdom could be your one and only big chance to defeat her. You just have to let go of your prejudice of all monsters, and be willing to work with them if both you and Abdle want to surpass her. What do you say? deal?"


but yeah overall, D is my main choice. C is my second.
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No. 1124043 ID: d9de51

>>1124040 Well "Abdle hates Eldba too" was my first choice too. However beware using "surpass" since it implies Abdle may surpass her *in cruelty* so... watch it huh? Eldba never read the evil overlord list eh?
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No. 1124044 ID: e6bcd2

Oh more stuff. "So if she allies with the bannisers would that fix the locale issue?" "Pragmatism dictates an alliance would let you focus on worse demons while heroes surveil Bobbie for signs of dangerous activities."
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No. 1124047 ID: fe0bf7

>>1124043
Oh yeah, very good point, thanks. Perhaps instead of "surpass her" use the word "defeat her"

and maybe leave out the "my deepest condolences" from the start, juuuuust in case. would suck if the lie detection activates if Bobbie says that but doesn't mean it. Maybe "I can't imagine how that must have felt" would be better.
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No. 1124094 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124094

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) I couldn't betray the queen and the demon apple.

B) I will bring you the demonic apple.

C) I will bring you the monster queen.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124107 ID: dbe433

Let's throw him for a loop. "Stop Dredge? From assaulting that castle? Why are you sending me on a suicide mission based on lies? Dredge won't stop. He believes the castle is his. Oh and you underestimate Eldba too. Given her ruthlessness she's probably using her brother as bait while she makes a bigger move."
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No. 1124109 ID: fd169b

A) Its a pity he's taking it out on Abdle when he should be concentrating on the one who actually hurt him. I know this won't get through to him, but abdle is just a guy. Ambitious, sure, but so are a lot of people.

There's no use talking to someone who has already decided what people he's never met are like.
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No. 1124168 ID: 23562b

A. Yeah, tell him the reason we can't give him Abdle is that even if we give him the demon, dredge won't stop attacking even if Abdle and Bobbie dies. He's deadset in getting rid of all monsters and not just demons, no matter who rules the kingdom of monsters. This is a deal with no benefits to the monsters. And having a kingdom with the chaos that results in losing its rulers would not be ideal with the Iron Dredge situation.

(Don't say this part out loud, Bobbie, just want to give my thoughts on a couple things: I think it'll be impossible to be able to form a alliance with the heroes guild, at least not through negotiations with Max. We might have to try other means if we want that alliance. I'm thinking when we talk to Steinhardt, and make our ultimate decision to join him or not, we might need to tell him we will only join on the condition that he either:
A. Convinces Dizelu to form an alliance with the monster kingdom, despite what Max says, as that will open up opportunities to form an alliance with the Bannisters as well (this is the goal we want)
or B. if even he can't get the heroes guild to form an alliance with the monster kingdom, Steinhardt needs to denounce, condemn, and cut all ties with the Heroes guild (and any kingdoms that attack the monster kingdom) publicly, because the heroes guild has made it clear they want to attack the kingdom and kill Bobbie and Abdle, and joining a kingdom that has any alliance with any kingdoms or guild that wants to attack and destroy our kingdom would be very dangerous.
we want to make sure that if the monster kingdom falls that Steinhardt will truly be serious and loyal on his word cares about protecting Bobbie, Abdle, and the monsters, and will not just imprison everyone, and have the heroes guild arrest them for money and benefits. We might even need to do a fake curse on him to make sure he doesn't go back on his word, like we did with Victorio and the knife thing for insurance.

Second thing: I was wondering if since he can detect whether or not someone is lying or not, this can be our one chance to reveal that Bobbie and Abdle never killed Ramming Rage, and that we were there to witness the confrontation between them to prove it wasn't anyone from the monster kingdom that killed him. It'll help lower a lot of the fears people have on the kingdom of monsters. The only downside is that even if Max learns about that, he will probably keep that a secret to keep the hate against monsters going, but it might shock him enough to leave a better impression on us. But who knows, maybe as a hero he has a tiny bit of enough honor to reveal that to the public)
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No. 1124178 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124178

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) I do not need to answer your question.

B) Think of a convincing lie.

C) Remain silent.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124183 ID: ad416e

D. “Let me answer that question with a question: what kind of demon uses plastic for horns?”
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No. 1124185 ID: ad416e

>>1124168
>We might even need to do a fake curse on him to make sure he doesn't go back on his word, like we did with Victorio and the knife thing for insurance.

(Side note: I meant to say needle, not knife)
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No. 1124192 ID: ca56f7

one man's trash is another man's treasure
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No. 1124224 ID: ee0ff0

Oh shit! Just realized, before we continue this conversation, we are going to need to get away from that amulet. Just because Max isn’t here doesn’t mean he could come back in and sneakingly listen in on these conversation

Normally I’d pick the reasonable action and ask to walk and talk with him to get away from the amulet, but I think Bobbie deserves to let off steam with how frustrating finding allies is, so I’d say use the silverware you used to eat the pie to knock the amulet off the table as far away as you can. Hit it in an area that doesn’t have anyone around. I’d say throw it, but it might have some magical security or something.
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No. 1124241 ID: fd169b

D) Its a costume party, this is a prop crown. Really though, its flattering that you felt the need to check. We will be sure to let the artist know you found their work so convincing.
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No. 1124250 ID: 9b1414

How would I know? We're just here as a representative. Ooh hoo hoo! However we are impressed. We use the crown to help us with what we do. Still, what good would a soothsayer's item be to yourself? (So many not-quite lies! Last one is a question so no lie. Leading question but no lie.)
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No. 1124268 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124268

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) This doesn't look anything like you.

B) I can see the resemblance.

C) You look better not being a human.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124283 ID: 3cfb6a

Well it's important to know who you were. Just as it's important to deal with what you now are.
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No. 1124466 ID: 8fe702

Well, he bullied you, seems only fair to tease him back in return

Point at the guy in the front of the picture (the shorter haired guy) and say "you're right, you do have crazy hair, crazy how clean that is. that's probably the cleanest hair I've ever seen. You seem a bit worried about the well dressed barbarian haired man behind you though."

I just want to see how he reacts, and if he'll lie and agree with us, or correct us, or know we're joking.

but yeah, I wonder how much he's heard of our conversation with that lie detecting hero.
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No. 1124521 ID: 11c5fd

Who is the other person in the drawing?
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No. 1124524 ID: ca56f7

C). you look more interesting like this.
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No. 1124651 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124651

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Tell him about the curse of the land that you occupy.

B) Don't tell him anything.

C) Lie about curses.

D) Other suggestions.

Bonus point if you can answer his question correctly.
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No. 1124652 ID: a99d12

From what you say there's several possibilities. Either you have to deal with curses regularly - on a personal level and/or with the people or places you see. Or you collect curses, for a compendium or in a more literal sense. Or as a lawyer you find curse loopholes. Per us, we've seen our share of curses. However we're uninclined to be open with people who just show up. Perhaps that status may change though... future friend.
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No. 1124674 ID: 09d008

With all this talk about curses, I'm glad we got that amulet away from us. Imagine if that hero listened in on us and could use that against us in the future.

anyways, I think Dervan wants to curse someone, which, hey, he's free to do, his actions somewhere else is none of our business and has little to no effect on this world.

Someone could even include himself. Some curses people cast on themself on purpose and tolerate it if the reward is high enough and outweigh the negative, such as a very powerful sword that curses its swordsman.

>we've seen our share of curses. However we're uninclined to be open with people who just show up. Perhaps that status may change though... future friend.

I feel this answer is the way to go. It'll entice him to assist us in the future if he wants to learn more.

But I think we should also throw in a freebie and mention A). Maybe not go into too much detail about it, but just enough to entice him.

(sidenote: I've seen Dervan in other adventures, that business card is not just a ordinary business card, he uses that to look in on people, and communicate with them. that said, maybe at most, we can mention you sense that card feels weird or enchanted, and ask about it? But perhaps it would work better if we play dumb, and not let Bobbie and Abdle know to keep the naivety believable.

With that in mind, I don't think we should throw it away, Dervan can be pretty helpful. If he sees us in a tight situation, he might be able to lend a hand. Just have to make sure to keep him on our side and doesn't side with anyone else in this world as an outsider looking in. Best way to do that is to cooperate with his interest in curses.

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No. 1124740 ID: 3b0686

Maybe it's the way you look, is the reason why you are interested in curses. You said it yourself this is not how you normally look and your world made you appear like that. You yourself are cursed.
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No. 1124760 ID: fd169b

You could tell him about your curse but as if it was just something you heard about.
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No. 1124848 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124848

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Sure, I will show you what I am dealing with.

B) Why don't you demonstrate it first on yourself with that so-called device?

C) No, I do not want to interact with that.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124849 ID: ac6db5

1. They look cute. Okay, we do it at the same time on the count of three, and not a moment sooner.
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No. 1124920 ID: 3b0686

Why do you see demons of this world as spiders? As for your request why don't you demonstrate how that thing works on yourself, before we try it out. It isn't that we are accusing you of trying to hurt us, but more of a concern that this constructs is not not safe to use.
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No. 1124930 ID: 62c50e

B)
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No. 1124956 ID: 6ca3f9
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1124956

Possible answers to the question that was asked for the first one:

A) You proved the safety of this device, so I use it on myself as well.

B) I still am not sure about it.

C) I don't want to do it.

D) Other suggestions.


Possible answers to the question that was asked for the second one:

A) Abdle, calm down by thinking og happy thoughts.

B) Maya Din silences him with your body.

C) Let him get this out of his system.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1124975 ID: 018959

D. Ask if you and he can do this somewhere more private. I mean, I’m alright if it will reveal who Bobbie is, but if word gets out Bobbie can’t harm anyone to someone who is listening in, it’s pretty much over for her. An outsider like Dervan is fine knowing about it as he said they’re just passing through. and he could be a valuable partner from the outside if we can get a heart point from him, or at least reward us with something good if we help him, like he could let us keep that second curse detecting constructand knowing Dervan from other quests he was in, he can be very helpful if a little suspicious


A for Abdle. I respect him enough to not have Maya shut him up.
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No. 1124993 ID: ca56f7

agreed for both options. outsiders pose less of a risk to the reward value.
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No. 1125031 ID: 9b2157

I also realize this machine might also detect any kind of curse the worms may have put on Bobbie, based off of her conversation with Prince Hollow Heart when we were deciding what to do with Shadow Taker’s (the cat’s) body. Something about Bobbie having an unfortunate birth, and worms or something?
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No. 1125088 ID: 41bada

What is bothering you Abdle, we don't know anything about your mother. What was your relationship with her?
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No. 1125119 ID: 6ca3f9
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1125119

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Tell DeRvan what happened.

B) Think of a lie to tell DeRvan.

C) As DeRvan, if these things tend to break on use.

D) Other suggestions.
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No. 1125122 ID: ac6db5

C. If he doesn't believe you, ask to use the other one, this time in front of him.

Though he should believe you, considering from what I remember, he can spy on others with his business card.
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No. 1125164 ID: ca56f7

C) makes it clearer that you didn't break it on purpose or that you're trying to cover it up
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No. 1125267 ID: 41bada

Lie to him
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No. 1125352 ID: 41bada

No wonders why your sister is better than you. She doesn't cry over points stuff.
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No. 1125373 ID: ff23e4

FreudTellMeOfYourMother.png lol. Spider thing is semantics. Phrase about "rose by any naming would smell sweet" fits. Option 3 because it explains without hinting we knew. We didn't know at all.
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No. 1125396 ID: 6ca3f9
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1125396

Possible answers to the question that was asked:

A) Sit with somebody you don't know.

B) Sit with somebody you know.

C) To get a new table.

D) Other suggestions.

The same question was asked when Bobbie entered this room.
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No. 1125408 ID: f6a14f

Better get our spy rat back, he suffered his punishment enough for getting caught.
That cat belongs to the lady pig with the giant helmet. Just be prepared, that’s all I’ll say.
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No. 1125413 ID: de430b

Oh yeah and by that I mean talk to the pig, don’t chase kitty, she can probably call the little guy
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No. 1125422 ID: ac6db5

And now for Abdle to try to make you feel better:

What dervan said cannot be certain, and him saying demons like Beuleveria here are not special is not true. Your mother is special to you, and if there are detailed records about her somewhere, she is special enough to warrant being written about. It's alright to feel sad about not getting to know or remember her enough, as you still remember that love for her.

But you can honor your mother by proving Dervan wrong about demons in this world by not being just another demon who simply rule over damned spirits in his own afterworld like a spider as Dervan puts it, but instead, as a overlord who rules over the living in this world. Not many demons if any can accomplish that. You're right now the only demon I know of who currently has their own kingdom among the living for example.

concerning feeling sad about not being able to remember your mother, and not knowing if what Dervan said is true or not on her being a goat sacrificial lamb, I think there are ways you can remember your mother. Dervan said there was a school of demonology, and it seems from his account that it knows quite a bit about her. I think it is very important and be therapeutic for you, Abdle, for all of us to try to look into researching about your mother. Maybe look for that school of demonology that Dervan talked about if it exists in this world, and if not, I'm sure there are texts and researchers out there that study demons who might know something about her. Heck, we can even ask Dervan himself if we visit his dream about what he learned about her, (though I do know you dislike him and might not want to listen to him...) We also have that new book seller who gave Bobbie that book about magic. Perhaps we can ask about any books about demons you can read?

I guess maybe that's why that one demon said it was pointless to feel sad about that, if it was really rude way to say it. Because there are ways to learn about your mother to help you remember.

Maya, do you know anything about this school of demonology Dervan talked about? is it somewhere not from this world?
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No. 1125425 ID: ac6db5
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1125425

>>1124956
Okay, I'm sorry for talking so much, but why is this lantern looking at us? it didn't have an eye before!?!
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No. 1125435 ID: 41bada
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1125435

Go and sit next to this person
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No. 1125624 ID: fd169b

>>1125435
Yeah maybe you can cheer them up
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