fyi
[19:13] <TheBeardiestBob> Implanting a Deep Spawn Core in Arkus will unlock a HUGE upgrade path and quest line, if that is what you are asking
[19:14] <Alratan> Yes
[19:14] <Alratan> Would it be best to implant one in him, or in his System?
[19:15] <TheBeardiestBob> in his System
[19:15] <TheBeardiestBob> since that is where Deep Spawn normally live in Planet Gods
[19:15] <Alratan> I thought so
[19:18] <Alratan> Can Mordre make priests of himself, by using the inverted Immortal Genocide to infuse someone with Belief?
[19:31] <TheBeardiestBob> Yes he can actually
[19:31] <TheBeardiestBob> just as Inferno Golems are partitions of his Soul Eden now, and are closest in functionality to temporary angels/guardians

>[01:26]<@TheBeardiestBob> Trollzaru is currently getting Jioga's recommendation to serve Lubu as an officer of War Hound research, using his knowledge of Magic Eaters as a means to suggest a new, FOURTH generation form of Warhounds-which, as you may recall, are based partly on yetis and that one truth-telling yeti from long ago Lorgk's ancestor mentioned
>[01:26] <@TheBeardiestBob> So
>[01:26] <@TheBeardiestBob> Trollzaru gonna be a coworker
>[01:28] <@TheBeardiestBob> Trollzaru used Burduko and Lenryrt's seperate teleportation signatures from moving Mordre (who he tracked to Weinsho's base, the one you ran into the Dreameater/Catbeard event at), and has pilfered Weinsho's holdings in the Land of Dragons.
>[01:29] <@TheBeardiestBob> Trollzaru has been very single minded in 'I NEED TO KEEP GETTING/EATING POWER SO I CAN EVENTUALLY EAT THE DELICIOUS POWER OF MORDRE'
>[01:29] <@TheBeardiestBob> you have struck him as a great snack
>[01:29] <@TheBeardiestBob> so has Lubu
>[01:29] <@TheBeardiestBob> course, he has not told Jioga that
>[01:29] <Alratan> Trollzaru's weakness is that he isn't building his allies
>[01:29] <@TheBeardiestBob> and Mordre does not know, or have any reason to know
>[01:30] <@TheBeardiestBob> Trollzaru doesn't HAVE allies anymore, he abandoned his clan to the Drazken's wrath, remember?
>[01:30] <@TheBeardiestBob> he is like super backstab ahoy dude
>[01:30] <@TheBeardiestBob> But what if he can find a chance to come at you without access to YOUR allies? Your dispersal of power will come back at you then
>[01:30] <Grail> Because if Trollzaru wants to eat Lubu.
>[01:31] <Alratan> err
>[01:31] <Alratan> guys
>[01:31] <Alratan> Lubu just disempowered himself
>[01:31] <Alratan> and Trollzaru is there
>[01:31] <@TheBeardiestBob> for at least another two months
>[01:31] <@TheBeardiestBob> shall Lubu be depowered
>[01:32] <@TheBeardiestBob> This could be accelerated by giving him new magics to copy onto his soul to boost him back up, as he only gets instant growth for new stuff, not things he's already seen
>[01:32] <Alratan> Remembe that Trollzaru, being a soul drinker
>[01:32] <Alratan> is very unpopular in the LoD
>[01:32] <@TheBeardiestBob> except that he can just eat MAGIC to sustain himself
>[01:32] <Alratan> he can
>[01:32] <@TheBeardiestBob> MAGIC eater, remember?
>[01:32] <Alratan> but will he?
>[01:32] <@TheBeardiestBob> he got that from Goran
>[01:32] <Grail> As long as he isn't chowing down on people he's fine.
>[01:33] <@TheBeardiestBob> Or so long as he keeps his chowing secret
>[01:33] <Grail> He's being a good boy, like we are.
>[01:33] <Alratan> still, we should take him out
>[01:33] <@TheBeardiestBob> THIS SOUNDS LIKE A FAMILIAR SITUATION TO BE IN
>[01:33] <Alratan> is he Immortal?
>[01:33] <@TheBeardiestBob> He is not Immortal, but is a Deep Spawn. If he can eat an Immortal, consider him harder to kill than Broggamek
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> not more powerful than
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> just THAT FUCKING HARD to put down
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> because as is
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> he has Organic Soul Grave
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> Deep Spawn
>[01:34] <Deadbeard> But what immortal would bne foolish enough to get eaten by him
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> And Chronomantic regenerative means and defenses
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> Everfeast, for one
>[01:34] <@TheBeardiestBob> not all are intelligent
>[01:38] <@TheBeardiestBob> If you eat Trollzaru's soul, then there will be BONUS FIGHT where you can play as it or Goran in a SOUL FIGHT TO THE EATING FINISH inside Mordre's Soul Eden with hundreds of thousands of spiritual onlookers in a landscape that reshapes to your and the audience's will
>[01:38] <@TheBeardiestBob> shit will be baller
>[01:38] <@TheBeardiestBob> good luck eating him though
>[01:38] <Grail> Oh ... my god.
>[01:38] <ManOfTroy> ...WE MUST EAT TROLLLOLOLOL!
>[01:38] <Grail> I want to play Goran.
>[01:39] <Grail> And the arena will be a city.
>[01:39] <Alratan> Another vote for Goran
>[01:39] <Grail> And they will be giants in comparison to it so it looks like a scene from Godzilla.
>[01:39] <Alratan> I think eating Trollzaru just went up the priority list
>[01:39] <Dkay> I also vote for Goran
>[01:39] <@TheBeardiestBob> It will probably be Goran, because... well, he's a wee bit less likely to eat Chaos Motes.

So can we finallygo and deal with Trollzaru.
Please?
And forget all the other shit for a while?

Random thought. Restrictions make things stronger based upon how strict they are, right? What exactly is used to measure strictness? Because, say, a restriction that limits magic to only functioning within fifty miles of a specific planet's surface pretty much cuts out almost the entire universe. Does that mean that it would work as a method to gain almost infinite power as long as one doesn't go interstellar? If not, what stops it?

>>342511
We can probably set aside a couple of Cores for Arkus' System, then. Worth it.

Do Heroics not add to our Soul Nexuses or abilities anymore? Bob said some of the souls we ate were heroic, but didn't give us any info on the new souls or abilities they provided. Is this a flaw in the Belief engine?

>>342532
Probably counted as Mage souls, or weren't unique enough to give any abilities, just powerful vanilla pomu/curatiomancers.

>>342532
One core for Arkus' System: it isn't large enough to require more, I think.

And, for the lack of new Heroic soul abilities, remember the options we had when we ate Goran? When we could gain an ability (Magic Eating or Ablating) or magic (Phonomancy or Gravimancy)? Considering that the souls were not high-level (high-level meaning well on the path to Legendary), and were capable of giving Mordre Curatiomancy and Pomumancy mastery - a major motivating factor in the decision to take over a Sphere from my point of view - Mordre would have directed those souls into providing increasingly complex Curatiomantic and/or Pomumantic spells. So not a flaw, but a pre-existing capability and Mordre's decision to gain better magic options instead of weak abilities (relative to our other options, anyways).

Tried to post this in thread 12, but it got archived literally as I hit SUBMIT:

Regarding the Cursed lands:

Not nearly isolated enough. Looters and Adventurers still brave those lands, and asking our followers to try to survive there still isn't good (Dionepa is Cursed Lands ULTRA-LIGHT, everything that is moves and doesn't move in the CL causes horrific mutation nearly instantly). And the creatures in the Cursed Lands are still far worse.

Just because you can stand some chilly northern US conditions does not make you suited to survive in the Arctic Wastes.

>>342543
This is what we made Welgahoo for, though. Making the Cursed Lands livable.

>>342544
And then suddenly, the Cursed Lands are no longer even remotely isolated.

>>342545
The Cursed Lands are pretty big. Making a small section of them not horribly fatal to live in doesn't make them particularly safe.

Is it? If I remember right, the territory that WAS Mosmordre and became the Cursed Lands was a fairly small nation.

And a pocket of survivable land doesn't keep out the Ultra-Predators like the stuff Bang was hunting when Keddic first met him, and If I remember correctly, I think Bob said that wasn't even close to the worst that could be found there.l

Someone WILL find out about ANY new religion popping up, and will rebel against it. (like the Leyline one) Mordre's cover story should be as repetitive as possible, AKA Mage Mordre. The Only variation in the cover is the Premen who are ALLOWED to think Mordre is a god because they are an entirely different species and thought as nothing more than tribesman. That shit will NOT fly if other humans speaking the same language start calling Mordre a god and he ENDORSES IT. One more good reason NOT to say we are God Mordre; is the Paradox Knights. Even if No one ever finds out about them, the Knights shore as hell will; And there is no talking your way out of that.

On the OTHER hand if we let the people on the Sphere explore the state freely and with no influence form Mordre at all, Save humanitarian aid, they will VOLUNTARILY spread and found the religion of Mordre. And if anyone calls Mordre out on it he can say with absolute truth:

"I have Never once hindered a followers path to there whims, wants, and needs where no harm comes from it. Nor shall i now as it is their choice and their lives. Nor shall i take back the freedom of their minds and souls that was freely given in bringing them here. Never once have i claimed the the title of God tho it be bestowed upon me before and now, and never shall i before it is the will of the people AND serves them more than any other title or power can achieve."

So ya NO ENDORSEMENT.

(The Sphere itself is capable of much. It can create roots to dig into the ground and attempt direct interface with the System for energy absorption purposes, both able to absorb the energy of Core Beings, and the ambient souls caught by the System before the completely dissolve. It can also directly feed from Leyline Geysers)
(Leyline Geysers)
We just FOUND ONE park the ball there.
There are good reasons to park it there but i thing the best is this: If we "root" it anywhere else i would probably piss off the locale administrator as they dont seem to care to much about Leyline Geysers, But DO care about about working Leylines. I say "working" as i think of the Leyline Geysers as broken pipes, and if given the time and power the Deep spawn would seal every Leyline Geyser.

>>342548
My thoughts exactly. An organized religion of fanatics sounds nice, but it's infinitely more trouble than it's worth when you have an established origin and NUMEROUS onlooking organizations looking for any chink in your armor to wheedle at.

>>342526
I suppose what we have within a viable range would limit the maximum that a restriction enfolds. We don't have large-scale spacetravel yet, so we can't get infinite power by making space off-limits. If we could have practical spacetravel, then that restriction would be effective. A restriction only restricts you if you can already do that thing, after all.

>>342548
More accurately, and more placatingly, we can say "Look, I TRIED to explain to them that I'm a mage, not a god. But where they are from, the beings with power call themselves gods, and I cannot deny the parallels. If it was a matter of understanding I think I could get somewhere, but it's hard to correct what amounts to a difference in vocabulary."

I have a question for Bob!
DO HONEY BADGERS EXIST?

Bob can we get a comprehensive list of all the various colors and how they relate to magic?

For the Wiki.

>>/quest/286633
what

Submitted for your approval:

- Idoneus embodies the concept of ENGINEERING, in the form of CONSTRUCTION and TECHNOLOGY.

(I haven't yet worked out an appearance for this spawn. But its definitely human-looking and he should have an unnaturally yellow helmet)

Idoneus is a thinker who combines the mad science of people like Gialgorra with the knowledge and skill of a mundane engineer. Someone who can build a suspension bridge, or a steam cannon big enough to topple it in a single shot. I chose to make Idoneus an engineer instead of a builder because the ability to design things while factoring available materials and technology is a rare skill. Unskilled labour is easy to find in the form of mortals or other deep spawn. The only benefit we would get from a dedicated construction spawn is cost savings and a little speed.

His main ability, apart from designing things, is to act as a foreman. Concisely explaining every facet of an objects construction in a manner understandable by whoever is helping him. Idoneus can work alone at his own pace, or enlist the help of mortals and his brother deep spawn (and subspawn). Skilled labourers do increase the speed of construction. For instance he could get the help of Murhyihal to construct a pocket watch or other object made of many small components as Murhyihal's tendrils are suited to that work.

Idoneus's spawn take the form of ghostly disembodied hands (10 right and 10 left). Each hand can freely change its size to an upper limit of 3 feet wide and has a high degree of dexterity and strength. His spawn function as extra hands for Idoneus while he works, supporting and manipulating objects. If forced into combat Idoneus fights with a large sledgehammer he pulls from hammerspace.

-- This is my take on the "Construction/Infrastructure" spawn people have been asking for. AFAIK his skills cover all the bases that we require. Namely the design and planning of civil engineering projects. And the construction of said projects. I tried to avoid making a "pure" construction spawn, because I felt that it would end up as the embodiment of unskilled labour. Handy to have around, and works quickly, but has no "spark".

- Colossi embodies the concept of ARMOUR in the form of DEFLECTION and ARTICULATION.

Colossi appears as a massive suit of hollow plate armour. The plates that shape his form constantly morph and overlap each other. Forming a solid yet flexible articulated shell.

Colossi is capable of controlling the size and shape of his form to fit around any user. When Colossi wraps himself around someone his plates float just above their skin and move along with them. This has a sort of "powered armour" effect in that the armour supports its own weight and does not interfere with the users movement. In instances where great strength is required the armour exerts force in concert with the user. In addition to the plating, Colossi can manifest a "bubble shield" around himself that absorbs and deflects physical impacts. How effective the shield is depends entirely on the angle of deflection.

In the absence of a rider to protect Colossi is more than capable of fighting on his own. Smashing enemies using his body with a dexterity and speed that belies his heavily armoured tank-like appearance. In effect a 12 foot tall hollow golem that hits like a truck, but retains the mobility of an acrobat. To attack enemies at range Colossi can explosively shed shards of himself, hurling a cloud of shuriken like metal plates. Or fragmenting a single plate in a similar fashion to a claymore mine.

Colossi's spawn are lesser versions of himself, half his size at 6 feet tall. They possess the same shapeshifting and deflection aspects, but lack the bubble shield and ranged attacks. They are capable of forming themselves into tower shields. Providing extensive protection without encumbering the user. The spawn are capable of combining together onto a single target for added protection, or even adding their mass to Colossi himself. (with a corresponding loss of speed)

-- I know most of you probably think yet ANOTHER defensive combat spawn is a redundancy we don't need. But the iteration of Colossi I have described here fills in a niche we currently lack. Namely direct body protection in the form of armour. Missile defense in particular is something we lack among our "pantheon". As an added bonus, the suit of armour he can provide would not be vulnerable to magnetomancy as it is not technically ferrous. His strength and mobility would make him a valuable asset on offence, even without a rider.

>>342576
High level magnetomancy appears to be able to affect pretty much any metal, regardless of whether it has any normal magnetic properties.

Still haven't heard anything about whether the engineering spawn idea is even possible. Why would the Deep Spawn trade for technology if they could make it themselves? And before someone says something about engineering being a skill or something, not a technology, remember that the Deep Spawn are big on restricting their own souls. It's entirely possible that this is one big restriction they can't evade. The ideas for non-engineering construction spawn involved either runework or magical enhancement of the construction being done. That is not unskilled labor.

>>342576
Yah,
I approve.
We need to get around making Idoneus and Acronum... we just can't find time and place..

Colossi seems to be a good Spawn if we ever find ourself in need to protect a weak but important person. Other than that, he will be a good boost for troops.

Technology and spawn don't mix, don't bother.
This is Bob confirmed.

We need a non-magic weapon, so that Troll can't just eat it.

ManofTroy suggested creating a vortex cannon; it fires a ball of air or gas wrapped in a vortex ring (created by an oxygen-hydrogen explosion, or a couple other methods) that helps fling the ball of air over 200 yards (if we build a big enough one, meaning stationary or golem armor mounted). With Aeromancy runing, we could no doubt get it significantly further.

Useful, but not particularly deadly in this form.

So, how good is our magical precision/multitasking since its recent upgrade? Good enough to use magnetomancy and pyro/ignimancy at the same time?

Plasma doesn't have a form of its own, but can be constrained into shapes by way of magnetic fields. The Aeromancy runes would have to get the molecules in the air packed tight, then we turn an ignimancy/pyromancy combined working on it - pyromancy to heat the air and ignimancy to free electrons, thereby turning atoms into ions.

With magnetomancy and aeromancy to smooth the way, we can now basically fling miniature stars at people, guided by our magnetomancy - but should still be largely nonmagic. Not sure on the power output of this one, but I'm imagining closer to solar winds than St. Elmo's fire.

We could just club him into a puddle of gore with a big rock we could use geomancy to find or bring rock to us.

>>342621
This idea of 'rock' intrigues me, and I wish to learn more.

>High level magnetomancy appears to be able to affect pretty much any metal, regardless of whether it has any normal magnetic properties.
It gets a little confusing with our spawn because of how diverse they are. But from what I gather, all of are spawn are still organic, with the exception of spawn that have been implanted into existing objects. Burduko's sword is a part of him, not a separate object made of ferrous metal. So by that logic, Colossi and Velada's spawn would be organic, regardless of outer appearances. And they would bleed when cut.

>Still haven't heard anything about whether the engineering spawn idea is even possible. Why would the Deep Spawn trade for technology if they could make it themselves?
This is one area that we still lack concrete rules. Do the deep spawn understand technology? Do they understand universal constants like gravity, or simple machines like the wheel and axle, and screw?

I would argue yes. Because when the administrators trade with us for technology they do so as a way to catalogue the current tech level of surface civilizations. If they had no way of understanding the function of such devices, then they might as well be collecting rocks.

If they are not ALLOWED to create technology because of restrictions, that is a whole other matter. My plan B for Idoneus would be something like this:

- Spawn has a capacity for learning how technology and science works.
- Spawn is capable of applying this knowledge to the construction of an object.
- The more knowledge of technology and materials the spawn amasses, the higher the quality of the end product.

Basically, Idoneus would be pretty much as I described him above. Only with the "mad scientist tinkerer" part removed. Idoneus would start out not knowing even the basics of things like masonry or metallurgy. But once he acquires such knowledge he would have an instinctive understanding of how to apply it.

So, has anyone thought of a plan/method/way of enticing The Fan of expending the necessary energy to modify our Heaven Forge so that the souls contained within are able to grow? The behavior and personality of the Planet Eater suggests we could maybe obtain something similar to one of Lenryt's boons from it through bargaining to provide enough entertainment (through sufficiently dramatic actions). Barring any of the other Planet Eaters we may meet (I highly doubt Lenryt would mention the Planet Eaters that do not care about breaking reality if there would not be a strong probability we would meet such personages), who may or may not have such an obvious hook that we may use to obtain such upgrades, there really is only the one option (that is reasonably small in scale: I highly doubt persuading the Deep Spawn Administrators to implement the complete overhaul of the System to integrate our Heaven Network would be a short and easy task, nor would the overhaul itself be quick to complete; sadly, going by Lenryt's response, that is the only other option).

I realize we have only been introduced to the character for less than a day, but preliminary ideas can be of use, when released to the general population for analysis and refinement.

>>342716
If we do manage to find a way to get him to do this, make sure we set it up so it produces replays of battles and other significant cool events in our Heaven and writes them to our eidetic storage. Then we can sell him footage of the good stuff.

>Still haven't heard anything about whether the engineering spawn idea is even possible.

I think you guys have been going about this idea the wrong way. Bob has stated that technology and Deep Spawn do not mix, perhaps the reason for this is because technology (and by extension science) is the result of understanding and applying knowledge of the world with intent to manipulate it. That doesn't sound like something that is there at the moment a Deep Spawn is born, but rather something that is developed.

Even Bobobo (who was designed as a font of knowledge) doesn't show that he knows everything, instead his/its spawn act as multi-reality spanning search-engines which supply him/it with statistics of any given event and knowledge related to it. If anything so chaotic occurred that it only happened in one universe he/it may not be provide accurate information from other universes on the subject, obviously this also means that any information on ordered events would have accuracy proportional to how orderly the event is.

So what does this mean?

Well for a start a Deep Spawn embodying the concept of ENGINEERING would not work, due to it being a developed skill, and Deep Spawn creation sets the properties of their souls and abilities.

Instead we should create a Deep Spawn that can quickly develope the scientific and designing skills needed for engineering, with a body suited for this purpose. So here goes:

- IDONEUS embodies the concept of PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF KNOWLEDGE, in the form of PROJECT MANAGEMENT and SELF-EDUCATION.

Idoneus is meant to be adept at analytical thinking used to determine the properties and nature of objects given to him to study, to complement this he should also have a thirst for knowledge that would help him do this such as mathematics or other things like that. To complement this ability he should also be able to explain concepts to people who have decent knowledge in the subject he is discussing. As he needs to be able to quickly understand and adapt concepts given to him it would be a good idea to allow him a high degree of independence and to give him set goals to complete rather than asking him to design a specific device without telling him what it will be used for -he should be able to design something that fits a series of criteria just like real engineers do.

In terms of appearance he should look like a metallic cylinder on clockwork legs that unfolds to reveal twelve limbs arranged radially with enough reach to work in pairs -four large lower limbs able to do heavy physical work for long periods of time, four limbs designed for grasping and dexterity with some strength, and four long, thin upper limbs able to perform fine detail work quickly and precisely. It should have sharp eyesight, 360-degree vision and good co-ordination to use its limbs effectively. Each limb should be at least as dextrous as a human limb and have the form to use human tools effectively. Its spawn will be similar, but able to work effectively under the orders of their master and display behaviour similar to ants, each spawn will have four legs, two arms and be one of three types:
A strong, brawny spawn suited for labouring on a worksite.
A fast, lightly built spawn able to do tasks that require a high level of precision, such as taking measurements and detail work.
A compromise between the two, optimised for use of tools, complex or otherwise.

Even though it is a non-combat Spawn it can put up a decent fight, using whatever tools are at its disposal (this includes weapons) and any knowledge of combat it has to drive off its assailants, being a tool-using Spawn it is not adverse to wearing armour or using weapons of war, and neither are its spawn, although they manifest without equipment and must be equipped accordingly.


Well there's my idea on a construction/engineering Deep Spawn, like Tamren I focused on the management aspect of engineering, with a scientific bent added on so it could develope technologies to aid it and counteract the weakness inherently caused by its lack of limitations, which I suspect is related to why Deep Spawn have trouble with technology - their limitations disrupt their ability to learn and apply knowledge outside of their alotted task and function.

Good stuff! This is the concept I was going for, but I couldn't think of the right words to use as Idoneus's limitations. However the concepts and forms you picked out are quite a mouthful. If they turn out to be too long I would suggest shortening them to APPLIED SKILLS in the form of MANAGEMENT and LEARNING or something similar.

I like the multi-limbed body idea. But I would suggest giving him at least a marginally human appearance. At least to the degree of having limbs that bend in the same direction. He will need to interact with mortals a lot and its hard to demonstrate how to swing a hammer the right way when all your arms are 6-jointed.

So how about shaping him like a four-armed humanoid with a very large backpack that can unfold into various arms and manipulators. Sort of like a techmarine wearing a servo harness. But more clockwork and alien in form.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1140234

I still like the idea of having floating hands as spawn. But your description makes more sense in that his spawn ARE his tools, not just extra manipulators. We can save the hands idea for a dedicated construction spawn who could be the assembly line to Idoneus's R&D lab.

Instead of having spawn of a certain size and shape. How about making them like Stargate Replicators? All constructed of the same basic units, but formed into shapes that are specialized for certain tasks. Bigger weight lifting spawn would have more legs for support and a beefier body. Tiny manipulator spawn would have more delicate dextrous limbs. Idoneus would only be able to control 20 of these separate "constructs".

>>342768
Deep Spawn are not, as theorized, allowed, due to Restriction, to create technological implants-just creating that pseudo-metal is about as far as they can go. You'd have to reverse engineer, steal or learn how to make Deep Spawn Cores yourself, then fundamentally alter the process to allow Deep Spawn without this Restriction, the truth-based one-and one more.

Eldghodd has a bet going with Weismahn on how long it will take you to figure out all three Restrictions.

>>342798
How do they plan to resolve that bet with any precision? It's not like we're going to send them a message as soon as we realize the answer to let them know. I mean, theoretically we could know already and just not have mentioned it. Unless the third Restriction is something which, if determined, would be so important as to drastically change how we treat our Deep Spawn, I suppose.

>>342798
-They cannot act against fellow deep spawn
-They cannot directly do anything that would negatively affect the system.

Would a restriction preventing further restrictions boost power a fair bit?

>>342798
I always assumed they would have some form of self-destruct or manual override in Administrator hands, in case someone tries to subvert them.

Just kind of some notes to help remind myself:
When this is over, check in with Ellayia on if she also does treasure hunting. The Gaze of Gavarok is somewhere on one of the islands not yet taken by Gialgorra, and is needed to complete the set to make Lorgk into a wrecking ball.

Failing that, we know she does bounty hunting; use Bobobo and/or Dompaggio to help track down the Word Mage That Got Away. Failing that, we'll need a Mage Mordre body to discredit her when she spills the beans on us being Anathema. Fjordak can move the golem body by itself, but can't use its magic.

Fumblefingers (Luck Eater-type life golem), Catbeard and Candyman are the major powers of Trollingwood. Evil clown is still in there somewhere.

Lorgk is pretty well equipped (has a Returning throwing dagger in addition to everything else), but the Red Comet will come calling in 4 months. Hunting trip?

Moss is getting bigger all the time. Bang's garden still isn't transplanted, but he's about big enough now. Maybe our pet monster would like the Sphere?

Once we and Bang get some free time, Mahnlea wants to initiate trade talks. Collette the Colossus is somewhere in that country.

System Snakes rule. Give Arkus a Core, and a leather jacket.

>>342798
And these rules are accompanied by some anti-piracy and anti-cracking laws to prevent something tampering with them too I suppose.
On a related thought, what would it cost us to get the "no technology can be designed" Restriction taken off a core or a core with that law removed?

>System Snakes rule. Give Arkus a Core, and a leather jacket.
THIS IS MY FETISH

Will SOMEONE Put their 2 cents on this idea:

"Through use of Deep Spawn and P.S./s merge the powers of the Antimagic crystals into the Blade launcher to create saws that will act on Mordre's WILL rather than his magic and negate any magic they come in contact with."

IS IT POSSIBLE?

If so it would free up magical concentration, give infinite saw blades like the AG cannon, AND be a ranged anti-magic device OF WITCH we only have one of in the IG.

IF Possible why not?

>>342894
How are you going to make a MAGICAL process effect ANTIMAGIC crystal?

>>342904
well if the process was facilitated by a deep spawn it wouldn't be magic. or at least not the kind Troll can eat as he was affected by mordre's time/fly/bug/hive deep spawn. (bad with names)

>>342904
We can't do it magically, but it might be a good idea to speak to Gialgorra about producing some autonomous antimagic crystal drones.

>>342909
It doesn't matter if it's a Deep Spawn, mortal, Immortal, Dragon or a schmuck doing the magic'ing-short of being of a comperable strength to Planet Gods, you can't make magic act directly on antimagic.

Wow, Lenryt wasn't kidding when she said Mordre's new engine would attract attention. The world's getting lousy with Planet Gods rather quickly. I wonder how the Administrators will react... yeah, it may not be a good idea to mention to them that Mordre is the magnet drawing the visitors. Then again, they may already know.

So anyway, I had an insane idea (trust me, it really is) regarding the Domintus Core, and wanted to see what people think.

As far as I know, Domintus is still a mostly-standard Soul Grave, burning the souls inside him to fuel everything. Mordre, on the other hand, is now powered by Belief, mostly that of the souls in his Eden. Along that line, I was thinking - what if the souls in the Domintus Core started to believe in Mordre? Even if many of them aren't intact enough to be capable of believing in anything, that's still a lot of souls, and a lot of Belief. I doubt Domintus uses Belief in any major capacity, so the likelihood of him blocking it with ease seems negligible.

Getting into the Core to influence Domintus's souls would be incredibly difficult, and probably nigh-impossible to do safely. I don't know what he is, beyond a black pit of oblivion - possibly possessed by Order Motes or something, since he (but not the soul grave he inhabits) is apparently unique among the universes just like Mordre. But, I was thinking, that leaves doing it unsafely...

So, how about this for an idea: A "battle at the heart of the forge", so to speak.

Attack the Domintus Core using Soul-based-something-or-other-that-I'm-not-too-clear-on-yet. Maybe a direct connection to Mordre's Eden, with Mordre in the middle as the usher, or something. But the attack itself is what I was thinking about: it wouldn't just be an attempt at overwhelming force to steal the souls from Domintus, but also a surgical strike of propaganda. Rescue thousands of (partially digested?) souls, broadcasting/shouting throughout Domintus all the while that Mordre has come to bring them to Eden, away from Oblivion. They wouldn't believe it immediately, but with the first wave rescued, those who "saw" the rescue (how do souls perceive, anyway...?) would start to believe, becoming the second wave. With their Belief, Mordre could draw the second wave forward, rescuing them as well, and then the third wave would see that rescue and begin to believe as well... It would eventually become like a giant wave (aagh... just realized that's a really insensitive metaphor right now, sorry) converging on Mordre, Domintus throwing every possible bit of his own magic at Mordre to stop him. But with the flow of souls increasing constantly, Mordre would get stronger and stronger with every soul rescued. It would probably start out a desperate battle against a vastly superior foe, Domintus practically laughing at the attempt, but if he didn't take it seriously enough at the start it would eventually balance out in the opposite direction - I'm sure Domintus would have tricks up its sleeve, but by the end, it would be an Epic Level Curbstomp by Mordre.

A sort of Armageddon or Ragnarok, basically; the war between Eden and Oblivion over all those souls. That's probably how the souls themselves would see it, anyway.

I think it would depend very heavily on deceiving Domintus, keeping him from realizing (initially, at least) just how much power Mordre can derive from Belief. If he thinks it's a game, then as long as he has more Souls left than Mordre, he may still think that he could claim all the game's pieces at the end. If Mordre claimed 1/4 of Domintus's souls in battle, for example, before Domintus got serious, then Domintus could still think he could brute force the issue... Except that a lot of HIS souls at that point would be believing very strongly in Mordre, and he may have massive amounts of trouble hanging onto them. He may delay too long, trying to figure out what Mordre's goal is, not realizing that delaying him for long enough is the goal. Corrupting as much of his Soul Forge as possible with Belief in Mordre.

Obviously, going in blind would be a terrible idea. But with some preparation and research, it's something to think about. Mordre's burning souls transferred to his new Belief Engine rather easily, so I suspect most of Domintus's are also predominantly intact up until he begins to use them.

It's rather crazy, and there's almost zero chance of a retreat working once Mordre is committed to the attack, but it might be the only way to siphon Domintus without needing to involve a Planet God. The only way I can think of, anyway.

So... any thoughts?

>>343378
Hey Moosehowl, don't post that here, there's a new discussion thread up, use that one instead.

Ack, didn't know that. Thanks.

Arrrgh X_x I just spent the last 48 hours reading this fucking thing

And I regret nothing, fuck you all

hello, I started reading golem quest some days ago, its awesome. I wish I here earlier so I could actually influence it some. I have days to read yet before I fully catch up (currently on thread6) but I have noticed something that I sincerely hope was rectified.

My observation is that this world is super mega ultra high magic. Magic is everything. Every request people make, no matter HOW crazy (punch politics in the face, craft a bunch of sentient golems, whatever), bob responds with "Sure you can, you just need level X of magics Y".

So far the most powerful beings are heroes and mages, both of which are mages actually. Because heroes are combat mages who turn magic inwards to reinforce their body (or outwards to destroy)... the dragons can wipe the floor with us, our pet ghost mage can wipe the floor with us, the leaders of the mortal coin can wipe the floor with us, and even some heroes can wipe the floor with us (with the recent attack in the land of dragons meeting lubu, the other dragon, the time mage, the 4 monks, the siege weapons)...

The most powerful implements, by far, that morde has are all magic. they are his magnetomancy, his eye lasers (rune magic), and his stolen arm magics (rune magic). Those 3 are what wins the day...

Morde himself is in an exceptionally good position to be a mage.
He has thousands of souls all contributing manapool and manaregen so to speak, each individual nexus can cast seperate and concurrently (something mortal mages cannot do, at least pre ascension) and he has eidetic memory (allowing him to memorize several books in 3 minutes... he should have taken a few hours and memorize every single magic book he owns. Scratch that... every single book period. Sure the knowledge takes time to digest, but at least it would be there.

I have to say that the goal should be most rapid growth, by choosing something like "blood iron and souls from battle" you get a one time limited boost... and one that misses an important issue... that morde has dozens of hero and mage souls, all versed in magic, which he does not properly assimilate magic from, and that morde could himself acquire what he needs rather than ask it in boons if he merely asked the right boon... that is...

I think the next chance he can get a boon from lynrt he should ask for Soul magic, specifically the abilities to:
1. Extract (magic primarily) knowledge & skill from heroes he consumes (without damaging them for their other functions).
2. Extract all (magic primarily) knowledge & skill from mages he consumes (without damaging them for their other functions).
3. Boost/better manage the souls he consumes
4. Consume souls at a much greater rate, distance, and ease (say, use MAGIC to draw in souls covertly from all across a battle at a great range, easily overpower and absorb hero souls, etc).
5. Intercept souls escaping (eg: dulu)

The above should have the least direct improvement on his combat deadliness... yet the greatest longterm gain... that being that every mage or hero he consumes teaches him so much more about magic...

Imagine for example that in the battle of the core being with lubu he has been able to absorb ALL knowledge of the strange combat magic the 4 monks he consumed had? instead they just got subsumed as hero souls... but if he had absorbed it he would have gained competency in several fields of magic greater than what lynrt will gift in a SINGLE boon... imagine if he absorbed all the aeromancy magic of gunmen he consumed? or the preternatural awareness of dulu? (and now he could actually perhaps actually CONSUME dulu instead of letting his soul escape)

Just something I thought must be shared. I had much more enlightening input but I believe that it would probably all be obsolete by the time I fully catch up.

BTW... Looking a the pictures, nobody seems to notice that the world motes we fed moss are FAIRIES... they LOOK like fairies, they are a communal intellect, when there are enough they can speak, and they are "mischievous tricksters, potentially malicious". Not that it is really bad, moss is awesome... just pointed out that nobody seemed to realize or notice.

an addendum... we seem to LOSE the majority of souls in battle because we cannot harvest them fast enough... imagine if in the battle with the yeti he had absorbed a dozen shamans + the eldest shamaen... instead he only got 1 single regular shaman... He could have used their knowledge to personally take over the little tomb in mesmorde, or to take over the little tomb he fought in the professor island... and such out their precious souls and assimilate them too.

...Since it came up two times now, the next discussion thread is >>342978

thanks. I went by the one linked in
http://www1.tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/286556-100.html