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286556 No. 286556 ID: a76809

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LAST TIME ON GOLEM QUEST:

Mordre, the self-willed golem, Anathema and self-made soul, has succeeded in claiming power in the decaying Azehaedran State, and through his tireless works to rebuild infrastructure and return the State to economic might, he has begun to garner the trust and support of those he leads. While some councilors plot against the new Councilor Prime, his most recent concern was a meeting with Lenryt, one of the Mortal Coil's Grand Elder Mages, what stranded him on the opposite side of the world. After a battle lasting half a day, in which Mordre bested a local Dionepan Sphere God by the name of Kengehxian and stole a thousand score worshippers as well as one of the fabled local spheres, miniature planetoids that feed on the System, a deal was made with the secretive Ellayia, who for one hundred thousand Marks told Mordre's supporters just where he and Arkus had been stranded. Having brought his prizes (and Arkus' plant specimens) back with him, Mordre has returned to his home continent, only to find Professor Gialgorra of the Western Islands arrived in his absence, demanding the release of his daughter, a prisoner of war from the Domintus Invasion.

What ramifications will Mordre's golem modifications, crafting his host into the first Soul Eden, an afterlife based, Belief driven power source? How will Mordre deal with the eccentric inventor? How will he explain his abrupt absence? And what shall he do with his prizes from the Dionepan lands?

AND JUST WHAT MOVES SHALL THE CONQUERING, MURDERING, DECIETFULLY HEROIC MORDRE MAKE FROM HERE, IN THE GAME OF LIFE?

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ELSEWHERE:
>[Jioga]"...Impressive research you offer... how is your name pronounced?"
>[???]"It doesn't matter. A new name may be appropriate in these lands."
>[Jioga]"A past you wish to escape? I care not, so long as you bring the offered magical research."
>[???]"I showed you that I am intimately familiar with how to make 'Magic Eaters' did I not? I know you recognized the use such living weapons can have. Beyond making a new series of War Hounds with this technique, Ragegluts could be made into genuine terrors of the battlefield-"
>[Jioga]"Let me worry about that-for now, too many cultural taboos prevent a secure use of such techniques on Ragegluts-if you were to prove the usefulness of your research with a few divisions of War Hounds though, I could argue your case to the emperor."
>[???]"It sounds as if my only choice is to do just that, then."
>[Jioga]"And so, my furry, many-eyed friend, you shall simply have to build some reputation here first."
>[???]"That seems to be the case-very well, one now called-"
>[Jioga]"Jogda, why not."
>[???]"So, the one now known as researcher Jogda, once called Trollzaru, shall show you EXACTLY what Magic Eaters are capable of. I hope your master, the High Dragon Lubu, is... suitably impressed."

.................................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: MORDRE] .................................................................................

[DAY 177: DAY 7 OF WEEK 3 OF MONTH 5:]
[Castiday of the Third Cycle of Libiturnius (Summer)]


My return to the State is a smorgasbord of interlinked plans. With Domintus' core moved inside of my claimed Dionepan Sphere, and hooked up by means of internal root and vein systems burrowing into the crystal-incased furnace, I go from having a sphere able to sustain itself in emergency mode only to one that can support nearly half of its full power output, as the energy of roughly seven million souls is put to sustaining a 2.8 mile diameter organic sphere. As such, I need not rely on the weakened Burduko, and simply fly across the landscape at a little under the speed of sound, bringing my vessel to a stop a mile outside the State Capital. I disembark swiftly, sending the Sphere off to return to Mordreden for now, as I find myself having to first deal-

With Gialgorra.

The inventor, clad in an intricate set of metal powered armor with a complicated control mechanism inbuilt to his right gauntlet, stands awaiting my words as a far leaner armored form stands silent guard behind him-and his mechanical golem, CANTI, floats in the air overhead, buffeting winds, the smell of ozone and riotous electrical current wreathing the now sixty foot long construct. Noting none of the State officials to be nearby, I send Arkus, dropped off with me, to get a head start on catch-up paperwork, while I talk to Gialgorra while beating a path to the dungeons.

"My apologies I wasn't here when you arrived-Lenryt of the Mortal Coil wished a meeting held in a specific location, and left the details of returning from the opposite side of the world to me-I also heard you captured a rampaging Soul Grave hidden in one of the State Outposts, I must thank you for that."
>[Gialgorra]"Where is my daughter?"
I am leading you to her right now, and she will depart with you when you leave, have no fear."
>[Gialgorra]"Hm... Well, if I recall my Mosmordren lore correctly, it was one of the first ten Soul Graves, Scars of Yesterday-and while it HAS been incapacitated and secured, it still has a currently active operator out there-though I couldn't comment on who-that's the field of a mage to determine."
"Still, it is well to here your technological pursuits continue to bear fruit. ...And here we are, the dungeons-and don't worry, she was kept in one of the cells meant for arrested nobles-she has not wanted for comfort during her confinement."
>[Gialgorra]"So explain to me in more detail why she was captured, and held."
"A few interlinked reasons. The primary of which is that, while fighting in the Domintus side, she killed several dozen State soldiers-and the view of her locally is fairly poor as a result-I wished to ensure her safety from vengeful mobs, no matter her reason for acting."
>[Gialgorra]"Oh, Gwen.... there is more, is there not?"
"Indeed. She claimed she was attempting to infiltrate the Domintus forces, but when questioned on that by a Golem that to date has been unerringly accurate in detecting the truth, hidden or no, it was noted she is holding back some vital information, and since it would be unthinkable to torture her, I am left with someone who committed murder, who is locally vilified and who is on record as having withheld information in an official inquiry-I could not really think what to do with her."
>[Gialgorra]"...As loathe as I am to admit it, from the sound of things you did what you could. ...So: What is it going to take to have her returned to me?"
"Nothing, you are free to depart with her as you will. If you feel inclined to providing some farming and construction devices to the State at reduced price, I could use that to more easily smooth ruffled feathers when people question her release, but I won't demand it of you."
>[Gialgorra]"You'll get your excuse for letting her go-if you want I'll sign some official trade document concerning this so you have a written record."
"That would be much appreciated, if you could check in with Dregas on your way out, I am sure he could provide such paperwork... and here we are: Gwendellazia, your father is here. You are free to go."

Gialgorra's eldest daughter spends all of a second warily eying me before her focus is broken by her father's embrace, as tears whisper out from beneath his goggles. Unwilling to intrude on what is clearly a personal moment for an established acquaintance and trading partner, I excuse myself-

Making my return to the Capital has made quite a stir. I ignore the questions about my absence, and move to chairing the daily meeting, albeit later in the day than is the norm. While getting everyone organized and the meeting flowing, I speak with Phohn, and give a detailed description of the Dionepan Sphere and its abilities-which I want transmitted to Bang, so that once Burduko is feeling up to it, he can move the Desparden warrior to the north, to take command of the Sphere in my absence. Even as I get Bang's exuberant confirmation message, I have Phohn inform the Dionepan refugees that I am sending a comrade of mine, a shaper of flesh on par with Sphere Gods, to manage their new home in my absence. All of this transpires in the time it takes the meeting members to make their way to their seats-and ruling the State resumes.

I find that things have gone well in my absence. The Deep Spawn have continued to follow my commands, and have tirelessly been working to help rebuild the state-likewise, Dregas' constant use of Burduko and Rutgur, in combination with the considerable resources of an entire nation's trade, has started to rebuild the state coffers-we are only in debt for 1.9 million Marks now, if only just. Ulzrick, Vespinto and the rest sent into the Domintus lands report having taken command of some nine fortresses, and estimate they could not safely hold more without fear of them being taken-as such, they write for permission to begin claiming the land between said fortresses, to make the Azelhaedran State grow along its South-Eastern border. I have no issue getting unilateral support for this, and have an official order for their seizure of Domintus lands drafted and sent within the hour. Dregas makes his report, commenting that 35% of all State legal tender has now been converted into my new coinage, and the trading reputation we have accrued has smoothed over any possible objections to my stylized Marks. The meeting ends on a high note, with me offering no more explanation as to my absence beyond having met with a Grand Elder Mage-they are far too distracted by the brief appearance of my 'home' to inquire further, and I say little more, leaving it up to them what could reside within my sphere. I have laid the foundation of claiming I reside within the Sphere.

As to missives, the Mortal Coil has sent another letter requesting a face to face meeting-the wording is still polite, but is starting to skirt closer towards demanding my presence. The Golden League and the Mahnlea Mountains both have requests for meetings concerning trade-likely to do with my rampant use of magic to gain a trading edge. Lastly, there is a letter from Castiliathen, saying they are making their final offer to renew our alliance and clear our debts-it reads like a passive aggressive threat.

And so, the day's meeting is concluded, and I find myself once more in possession of 'free' time.

...Until I detect a familiar presence on a nearby rooftop, and a stone skittering down an alleyway alrets me-to an unconscious, bound individual, with a note tacked to their chest. I move closer, noting Ellayia to already be departing, as I read the missive-she has already claimed her one hundred thousand Marks from Dregas for her services, a fairly accurate map to the found Leyline Geyser is included (is it near the Steppes to the northwest of the State), and notes she captured a mage in training by the name of 'Kaisera', who has considerable talent at tapping World magic, and is one of the rare individuals born with the ability to 'See' magic. She's alive, and the note reads that she will come out from the drug-induced coma in... some four, five hours. ...Hm, what to do with this one....







What should I do now that I am back in the State?
What should I do about the letters requesting meetings?
What am I going to do about the Dionepan Sphere floating over Mordreden, and what shall I name it?
While I could use my own knowledge of Soul Graves to render Domintus a power source, how do I plan to make the Death Belief imbued Weinsho a power source for the Sphere?
What kind of directives should I give Bang when he moves to take up leadership of the Sphere in my absence?
Should Arkus continue to labor exclusively as a State mage, or should I have him spend half his days in the Sphere, continuing to spread the Word about me to reinforce my Belief amongst the Dionepan refugees?
Before Gialgorra leaves, should I ask after mechanical implants my Sphere could get, and if so, what kind of devices would I seek?
And what am I going to do about the activated, restrained Soul Grave Scars of Yesterday?
And what should I do with Kaisera?
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No. 286557 ID: d4f98d

OHHH I have a thought.

Arkus has been asking us for an apprentice of his own, has he not? More hands to help his research?

And she can see? And talented at WORLD magic? Oooh. Lets ask Arkus his thoughts.
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No. 286558 ID: f88f02

>What should I do now that I am back in the State?

We need to get that body project going. The Mortal coil is gonna be breathing down your neck FUCKING FAST, and I'd rather not have to pull some roundabout shit.

>What should I do about the letters requesting meetings?

See above point. Claim you have some preparations and you cannot make this meeting, but will attempt to make the next - your home arriving makes it clear your putting an effort in, after all!

>What am I going to do about the Dionepan Sphere floating over Mordreden, and what shall I name it?
It shall be named The Ark, or the Arkopolis, after Arkus.

>While I could use my own knowledge of Soul Graves to render Domintus a power source, how do I plan to make the Death Belief imbued Weinsho a power source for the Sphere?

We can't very well shove him into the furnace. That's a BAD IDEA if I ever heard one.... Wait, can we use the Belief of our new religion to unmake some of the Death Belief?

>What kind of directives should I give Bang when he moves to take up leadership of the Sphere in my absence?

Be. Awesome. And careful, that shit is fucking expensive, yo. Listen to Arkus if he says anything.

>Should Arkus continue to labor exclusively as a State mage, or should I have him spend half his days in the Sphere, continuing to spread the Word about me to reinforce my Belief amongst the Dionepan refugees?

YES. Also, if he wants, tell him he's free to train them as he likes.

>Before Gialgorra leaves, should I ask after mechanical implants my Sphere could get, and if so, what kind of devices would I seek?

Uh. GIANT. JET. ENGINES.

>And what am I going to do about the activated, restrained Soul Grave Scars of Yesterday?

Good question. See if there's a way to wrest control of it from its current owner.

>And what should I do with Kaisera?

She can see magic - handle it delicately. Or send her to Arkus. As if he doesn't have enough worrisome chicks to deal with, but hey, she might help him with his soul issues.
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No. 286559 ID: 259738

Magic sensing? Maybe Kaisera could assist in figuring out who the operator of that Soul Grave is. Anyways, don't eat her. I don't think we really have much of anyone practiced in World Magic, and our only magic sensor is Bang. She might be useful if we can get her to stick around. Probably nowhere near as useful if we eat her. Can we heal metal at this point, or just use Curatiomancy on living things?
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No. 286561 ID: ab04d4
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286561

Mechanical implants for our sphere? Pic related.

Perhaps we should imbue Kaisera with some belief magic so that she doesn't just run away. Of course, I'm no diplomancer and the other guys here can probably write up a dialogue that'll convince her.

She's just a mage in training? Go get Arkus to deal with her and tell her what she can do under Mordre. Also note exactly where she was being trained and by who.

Isn't it about time that we create the flesh-form golem with twenty-thousand souls as bindings and have it go to the Mortal Coil atop the Sphere?
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No. 286562 ID: 259738

>>286561
About that...do we have anyone skilled in golemcraft? Can we even accomplish that?
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No. 286564 ID: ab04d4

>>286562
It's been discussed in the discussion thread, IRC, and the last thread, and the conclusion is that we can do so now ourselves with help from our trusted allies such as Kyorto and Arkus; it will cost anywhere between 4000-10000 souls to do (though we can definitely afford a shit-ton more now), and some deepspawn cores wouldn't hurt either. Forgot the exact pristine cost.

A worthy investment either way.

Also- for the deathstar laser we should totally build a super-large version of the AA. The turrets can be railguns.
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No. 286565 ID: ab04d4

...What do we do with Castiliathen? I honestly don't trust their offer of clearing our debts with an alliance- it reminds me of what the United States does to underdeveloped countries to bind them firmly to itself. I mean, it's not like we're moving closer to economic freedom anyway...

But if we don't agree they might fuck with out shit- and Keddic would be in a shitty place too. I have no idea how to proceed, mostly because I can't see the possible outcomes from here.
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No. 286566 ID: a0d5fc

>>286556
What should I do now that I am back in the State?
Add the remains of Lenryts tea to my cache of deep spawn blood iron, and, if we have sufficient, consume it and multiply it up using PS to replace all the base iron in my body, whilst bathing in the Leyline geyser.
>What should I do about the letters requesting meetings?
Send polite replies.
Notify the Mortal Coil of the threat Trollzaru presents to all mages, and say that your priority is putting him down. Say that you have already met with their organisation's representative...
Send Dregas as a trade representative.
>What am I going to do about the Dionepan Sphere floating over Mordreden, and what shall I name it?
For now, just call it home.
>While I could use my own knowledge of Soul Graves to render Domintus a power source, how do I plan to make the Death Belief imbued Weinsho a power source for the Sphere?
Trade with the Deep Spawn for knowledge on how to eat souls as an organic Soul Grave and to apply Restrictions, and then restrict the Administrators of our Heaven, and hence the Belief Engine, to "Only supply power to the Soul Eden Golem when this Mordre is in control of it.
Next, implant a Deep Spawn into the Sphere designed to allow us to possess the Sphere with our soul. If we have to leave our body, lock it down disempowered, inactive and very heavily guarded encysted in the sphere. It is, after all, only a very big Life Golem. Then, using our knowledge of organic soul graves to devour Weinsho and add his powers to our own. With his mastery of the soul and Death Belief, we should then imbue Domintus' furnace with his link to that power, seperating it from our own soul to power this, our second body.
>What kind of directives should I give Bang when he moves to take up leadership of the Sphere in my absence?
I should ask him to teach my people there to the best of his ability, and could he accept the stored remnants of my foes with my complements. If he would, could he do us the favour of working with Arkus and Kyorto to implement cellular runing on all the cells of the sphere, by modifying some of its possibility cells to be produce specialist organs that release cells filled with modified Golgi complexes that release the proteins that self assemble into runes. He should work up from their, runing first the small scales of the organ surface and structure, then large scale support structures of the sphere, before finally reworking the very street plan of the cities on its surface into a giant set of interlocking runes.
>Should Arkus continue to labor exclusively as a State mage, or should I have him spend half his days in the Sphere, continuing to spread the Word about me to reinforce my Belief amongst the Dionepan refugees?
Sadly, splitting his energies seems required. I'm sure he won't mind the milk maids too much.
>Before Gialgorra leaves, should I ask after mechanical implants my Sphere could get, and if so, what kind of devices would I seek?
Yes. We need a power source to augment its strength, and it should be possible to follow Bang's example and improve the Sphere's electrical conductivity, before connecting it to one of his generators.
>And what am I going to do about the activated, restrained Soul Grave Scars of Yesterday?
Devour him whole, save for his furnace, using our Belief to power the Magic Aplifier to strengthen our soul magic to control the outcome. We should take the Furnace and set it aside for future projects...
>And what should I do with Kaisera?
Magical sensing would be useful to have as a power. Or we could just hand her over to Arkus.
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No. 286567 ID: d4f98d

>What should I do now that I am back in the State?

When you get the opportunity, get details on the equipment Gialgorra will sell to the State.

>What should I do about the letters requesting meetings?

Schedule a time and place. There's no reason to just ignore them. Make it clear that if they wish to discuss such, they will HAVE to make the trip here, were are a trifle bogged down with our endeavours, but would be willing to hammer something out.

>What am I going to do about the Dionepan Sphere floating over Mordreden, and what shall I name it?

The Ark Ascendant. We might be able to tap this newfound Leyline we've come into the ownership of to power it.

>While I could use my own knowledge of Soul Graves to render Domintus a power source, how do I plan to make the Death Belief imbued Weinsho a power source for the Sphere?

You can direct your own Eden's belief somewhat, as the creation of the Faith Guardian Golems implies. Perhaps direct some of that belief, not towards nullifying Death Belief, as that is impossible due to it's limitless supply, but twoards nullifying Weinsho's access TO that supply?

>What kind of directives should I give Bang when he moves to take up leadership of the Sphere in my absence?

An assessment on the condition of the Dionepans, as well as what his Super-eyes can discern of some of the systems of the Sphere we know nothing about yet.

>Should Arkus continue to labor exclusively as a State mage, or should I have him spend half his days in the Sphere, continuing to spread the Word about me to reinforce my Belief amongst the Dionepan refugees?

Theres' no need. The seed of belief is there, he need not but let it grow.

>And what am I going to do about the activated, restrained Soul Grave Scars of Yesterday?

...Examine it. Learn what you can of it's augments, some of which could be copied to yourself. See if you can track down some sort of trail or connection to it's owner. Bang was good at that hshit, he said something about seeing bridges between our form and the world.

>And what should I do with Kaisera?

As has been said, far to potentially useful to eat. Ultimately, I already made my suggestion regarding her above, but for now, curatiomance those drugs out of her system, or just wait for them to run their course. We need to find out the circustances of her capture, and convince her to come with us. Get Arkus in on it, he's proven quite capable of bouncing ideas and spinning stories. Ask her basic questions, where she's from, who she's trained under, age, etc, and answer what you can.

Regarding WHY she's been captured, tell the truth: "My sincerest apologies, but this was all a bit of a...communication error. A longstanding order that was forgotten and irrelevant. I will make it up to you."

Honestly, if she wants to learn magic...she couldn't have been mistakenly captured by a better individual for it. We have the resources and personell to fuel mage training like you wouldn't believe, and "it just so happens Arkus here was in need of a capable individual to apprentice and help him with his World Magic research."

See if that doesnt get her attention.
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No. 286568 ID: d4f98d

>>286566
We already are an innate magic sensor.
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No. 286569 ID: 81f32a

>What should I do now that I am back in the State?

Invest huge amount of your resources to locate Trollzaru.

Meet with Eldghodd.
Trade technology and bodies for: Restriction magic, Organic Soul Grave, Soul grave, Egg cores.
Kidnap bandits and pirates from around the world to get live mortals for trading using Burduko and Rutgur. Be sure to locate groups with no dangerous heroes.

>What should I do about the letters requesting meetings?
Politely decline.
Say we are busy.

>What kind of directives should I give Bang when he moves to take up leadership of the Sphere in my absence?
Uh... Don't break anything?
Really, why did we give him the leadership? I thought we were sending him just to learn as much as possible.
Oh, tell him to absorb all the knowledge then teach advanced Combat Curatiomancy to locals.

>Should Arkus continue to labor exclusively as a State mage, or should I have him spend half his days in the Sphere, continuing to spread the Word about me to reinforce my Belief amongst the Dionepan refugees?
Let him reinforce Belief once in a while.

>Before Gialgorra leaves, should I ask after mechanical implants my Sphere could get, and if so, what kind of devices would I seek?
Yes, lets do it.
I'm not entirely sure what exactly, so we should ask him what options are.
I can only think putting whole bunch of perpetual engines for more power.

>While I could use my own knowledge of Soul Graves to render Domintus a power source, how do I plan to make the Death Belief imbued Weinsho a power source for the Sphere?
Honestly. I do not know.
But this must be done.
Ask Bobobo for expertise or Arkus ... or Kyorto.

>And what am I going to do about the activated, restrained Soul Grave Scars of Yesterday?
Stuff it into Belief Crystal for now.
Trade with Deep Spawn for knowledge how to sever the connection between the owner and the soul grave.
...
Or BETTER, track down the owner of the soul grave! .... (I wonder if Kaisera can help with this)

>And what should I do with Kaisera?
This is highly problematic.
I'm really not sure what to do with her.
I would say eat her soul as that would be very useful ... but on other hand I don't want to lose potentially very interesting character.
Lets call Arkus for counsel.


We must claim the leyline geyser that our "friend" got us.
Ask Dregas how to do it properly. Can we just go there and plant a sign saying "property of Mordre" or is there some kind of procedure?
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No. 286570 ID: 259738

>>286566
Before eating the metal, check whether Ellenaym or Moss might be willing to donate some Blood Iron. It'll take about five seconds.
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No. 286574 ID: 259738

>>286572
How fast could we fly to the LoD? Burduko is probably still out of commission since he nearly killed himself teleporting the Sphere and us back here.
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No. 286575 ID: ab04d4

>>286570
Does Moss even have blood? :?
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No. 286577 ID: 259738

>>286575
World Parasites have magically infused blood. Moss is a World Parasite. So probably.
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No. 286578 ID: b83150

Concerning the Sphere, if the new Faith Soldiers do not need any souls to be constructed, perhaps we could create enough to have one follow each and every Dionepan in our Sphere? Considering that Faith Soldiers exists indefinitely, directly in length to the received Belief of their existence, then, so long as the Dionepan the Faith Soldier guards does not die, then that Faith Soldier will continue to exist. ...And, likely, the Faith Soldiers would provide another base for further Belief in us. (And, I hope, provide us with a ready made army that would eventually gain a soul, or proto-soul, that would allow them to exist indefinitely - or, at the very least, allow them to grow - once sufficient Belief is accrued. Which, I think, would be less than the amount one would normally strive for, as Faith Soldiers are currently soldier-shaped bundles of Belief.)

Also, on the food crisis of the State: considering that, at full power, the Sphere can support a population well above what it currently is, could the excess food the Sphere produces be used alleviate the drain food imports would do to the State treasury?

And, maybe implant a Deep Spawn in Arkus' System? Once we (Mordre and Arkus, to be specific) are somewhere private? It probably would greatly help, considering all the other Systems have Administrators, and the ones Mordre have do much to enhance performance, as we found out.

And all my support going after Trollzaru (or Jogda as it seems to be calling itself now) in the Land of Dragons. It is not a hard leap of deduction to make, that it is the commander of Scars of Yesterday, considering that it, through its spawn, was encountered in a Weinsho outpost. Other than Catbeard and a Dreameater, who probably have little interest in a Soul Grave, it is the most likely suspect (and, probably, the Nightmare Ulzrick mentioned). So, given evidence that it was at a confirmed Weinsho outpost, and the established existence of Weinsho holdings in the Land of Dragons, it probably is in the Land of Dragons, taking over, or have taken over, all holdings Weinsho formerly held. To find the holdings, there are likely documents in Wiensho's largest outpost, detailing his endeavors in the Land of Dragons.

So, as we investigate in the State of a lead, perhaps the available Deep Spawn could find something that would lead to it/something to that effect?

If, for whatever reason, it is found in the next update, then could Burduko teleport it to on the Frostback Mountains, where Velada would be waiting (teleported there earlier) and then teleport Keddic, Bang, Mordre, Lorgk, Oggroth, Ugrokk, and some of our Deep Spawn there (the combat Deep Spawn - Nihilino, Mothbern, Vandgurd, Aggrocrag, Zelgoto, maybe others like Nidhogg - and maybe other people I have forgotten that would help).
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No. 286579 ID: a0d5fc

Oh, and first priority after basic housekeeping and upgrades is to check in with Lubu and find out what the situation in the LoD is. We also need to track down Weinsho's bases there.
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No. 286585 ID: 9b0a68

Okay, first up, some ideas. Currently Murhyihal's protometal can only take the form of metals it comes into contact with in order to repair them, yes? Well, take an object made of a valuable metal, break some off, then heal it. With a single object we could turn our healing spawn into a mine for numerous metals that way.

(Had to retype this, so here's a much simplified explanation) Now, here' an idea for a perpetual engine that Jezebel and Kyorto could make. Start with a Steam engine. Replace the fuel source with a pyromancy rune, and have it's design loop back to the bioler. Once the steam hits it's peak, use a rune to siphon off the heat. It maintains it's momentum while going back to water as it descends. As it's just about to hit the boiler, use a rune to drain most of it's kinetic energy. It hits the boiler, turns to steam and regains momentum. Some of the power siphoned off would go to the pyromancy rune, but by draining both the heat we put in and the naturally occuring kinetic energy we push output over 100% of input. This requires it to keep a singular orientation though, so we stick the thing in a gyroscope if it gets put in a golem armor or something similar. Now, the limit to how much energy this thing can produce is restricted by the materials strength. That's why we add runes to engine to allow it to repair itself. It should constantly be channeling more and more energy into increasing the heat and repairing itself, up until the point it reaches the maximum possible energy output a steam engine is physically capable of. Once it's at that point, it's excess energy can be thrown into other magical enchantments. If this were used to power a steam golem armor for example, it could power a sytem to draw in and condense water vapor to either restore fuel if we gave it steam jump-jets, or provide more fuel for activating a linked subsystems, like a steam powered chainsaw or jackhammer siegefist. For added fun, throw in a steam powered electric turbine along with whatever steam powered mechanisms to add another powersource. Maybe ask Gialgorra about the design while he's here and ask if he would be willing to offer some tips on efficient disigns.

We need to have Jezebel and Kyorto start on this immediatly, and ask Kyorto to design a version we could incorporate into ourselves. Have Arkus watch ofcourse, so that we can have him lead some premen to make a much larger version for the Ordopolis. That will be it's powersource in the end.

I'm voting we neither eat nor kill Kaisera. You gave her a picture, so it'd be mean now. As for Scars, I say we try and eat all the heroics out of it and only enough Black Steel to convert the rest of our right arm into Sable Executioner. Aside from that, have the Weapon Grave eat the rest of it or turn all the Black Steel into a weapon, preferable a lance, have that runed, and then feed it to the Weapon Grave.

Also, we need to have Kyorto take a look at Goran's soul and see if she can track down similar magics(aka Trollzaru) for us.
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No. 286587 ID: a0d5fc

On the subject of Perpetual Engines:

When we eat the souls of warriors, before they pass into our Heaven we should fully Chaos align half and fully Order align the other. We can then have the Adminsistrators of our Heaven lock them into eternal combat, and harvest the resulting energy from the clash of the two opposed principles.
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No. 286589 ID: f6360f

>And what should I do with Kaisera?
Well, the original plan was to use her as part of Kyorto's body. That's somewhat out of date at the moment, but you could mention her existence to Kyorto anyway- perhaps she could use an upgrade? My guess is that yes, she could. And that would let us eat this mage's delicious soul for bonus power.

We really need to get some sort of brainwashing ability, because I don't see why she'd want to do anything other than go home if we give her any kind of freedom. But I suppose that there would be worse moves than to try spinning some persuasive words and handing her over to Arkus.


>Before Gialgorra leaves
Before he leaves, get examples of some unique and interesting technologies, for trade to the Deep Ones. Gialgorra is quite literally the best person in the world to ask to produce this sort of thing, and given how easily you've given him back his daughter he'll likely be more than willing to hand over quite a few examples. We can trade those to the Deep Ones in order to learn more of their magic- don't mess around with buying new cores. Instead, learn Restrictions, learn the principles upon which Deep One magic works, learn how to MAKE cores if you can, that kind of thing. Get knowledge, not products.


>What should I do about the letters requesting meetings?
>Mortal Coil
You need to prepare a 'mortal' body for them, and that will take time. Give them a polite reply saying that you're very busy but would be pleased to meet with them on such-and-such a date which is a month or two from now, which should give you ample time to come up with some kind of flesh mask.
>The Golden League and the Mahnlea Mountains
Polite reply, offer that you and your councilors would be pleased to accept representatives at any time to discuss any concerns that they may have and that you and the State are of course always interested in the improvement of relations.
>Castiliathen
Man, fuck those guys. But not really.

Tell them that the State is not interested in having debts forgiven, but friendship between nations is ever a priceless thing, etc. etc. and you (collectively) would be honored to consider Castiliathen a friend. Phrase the letter so that it's clear that you can be friends and allies all they want as long as the State isn't expected to actually do anything or treat them differently than anyone else.

>Should Arkus continue to labor exclusively as a State mage, or should I have him spend half his days in the Sphere, continuing to spread the Word about me to reinforce my Belief amongst the Dionepan refugees?
Definitely hang in the Sphere. Those refugees are populous enough to be a city-state unto themselves, and given enough time can be cultivated into near-fanatics of your new religion- which will result in much more powerful Belief for you. Definitely set Arkus to the task.

>What kind of directives should I give Bang when he moves to take up leadership of the Sphere in my absence?
Have him discover that the Sphere can do and not wreck anything. Also see if you can get him to help Arkus in teaching the residents; their magical talents are closer to Bang's, I think.
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No. 286590 ID: d4f98d

>>286587
That seems to kinda undermine the current concept it embodies.

Unless you mean like, a type of Valhalla deal, wherein the warrior souls who love the thrill of combat can battle one another to their hearts content and be reborn to do it as much as you like...but then again, the pocket dimension is already a realm of imagination made manifest.
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No. 286591 ID: d3dfb8

Phohn up Dorgrum and ask if Eldghodd is still taking technology. If so, buy one of each perpetual engine from Gailgorra for trade.
Also speak to Gailgorra about the construction of a silicon brain for your soul grave, to give it that touch of technology that it's been lacking so far. He'll like the sound of that.

Find time to talk to Kyorto and Arkus about a large scale runeing project. A network of amplification runes that empower only immortal souls, based on the system itself and Arkus's mini-system. Have them enlist the aid of half the Drazken shamans as well as Jojo and Heol. Souldreamers are always useful. Have them talk to Dorgrum about the system and possibly have him help.
By the time it's all said and done we should have gained the deep spawn restrictions, then we implant a deep spawn embodying amplification in our magical amplification system and add a restriction that allows him to only empower Mordre. Suddenly Mordre is a god in his Sphere. Plus deep spawn in our Sphere will help stop others taking it over with their own Ownership.

Also talk to Kyorto about the creation of a Chaos/Order engine like Timmy and the Channeler Suit had for the Sphere. Possibly tie it in to the AmpSys.
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No. 286593 ID: 12323e

The Ark Ascendant sounds good to me, for my previous listed reasons and to tie it in to Mordre the Ascendant.

Depending on who and what the mage is, we may want to offer them a job instead of just eating them. We might get another Arkus or Jez out of this. "Oh, that scamp Ellayia! She kidnapped you when all I wanted to do was offer you a research position in my new empire! No, you can't leave." That World mage is soooo lucky we don't need her for what was originally intended, but we can still profit from this.

We and Bang working together could probably accomplish some interesting Curatiomancy on volunteers from our new worshippers. Also mention to him Kengehxion's upgrades; Bang could probably reverse engineer the light-refracting organs, the magic-producing organs, maybe the flaming lance one. This could turn into an MoI for the man.

We need to find 100 humans from SOMEWHERE, to get that Restriction magic. Troll is a Deep Spawn now. You can bet there's some Scientomantic way to fuck him over.

Gialgorra's upgrades are expensive, and for covering 25 square miles of surface area.... ouch. And we are still in debt. Table that one for later.

The Mortal Coil mages want to meet us 'face to face', right? We need a face.

Now might be a good time for Mordre to hammer out some new spawn, too, although we're kind of split on what to make.
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No. 286594 ID: bdd665

>>286593
>We need to find 100 humans from SOMEWHERE, to get that Restriction magic. Troll is a Deep Spawn now. You can bet there's some Scientomantic way to fuck him over.

we can probably get the restriction magic far cheaper from Administraitor in the premen mountains
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No. 286595 ID: a0d5fc

>>286590
>Unless you mean like, a type of Valhalla deal, wherein the warrior souls who love the thrill of combat can battle one another to their hearts content and be reborn to do it as much as you like...but then again, the pocket dimension is already a realm of imagination made manifest.

That's exactly what I mean. When I say eternally, I mean Michael Moorcock style Eternal Champion, or, as you say, Valhalla. The only difference to how it is currently would fully aligning them to Order/Chaos, and having them interact.
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No. 286599 ID: d1bc5f
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We can probably come up with some farce and say we rescued/found Kaisera, and see if she believes it. If she doesn't trust/believe us at all, or can see what we really are with her magic sensing, then we should probably kill her. Otherwise she probably would make a good apprentice, to either Kyorto or Arkus.

>>286589 's plan for dealing with Castiliathen and the trade leagues is good, got my vote.

(A very messy sketch of what i pictured Kenglexhion to look like.)
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No. 286602 ID: afc243

Sphere thoughts: Yeah calling it The Ark is a pretty nice idea. I suggest asking Bang to take the sphere over to the discovered leyline geyser so he can secure the geyser, recharge the Sphere and use the excess power to modify it to make it more efficient. Send Arkus with him for now to document Bang's changes and to provide input. Suggest that if Bang can get some sphere root mining going then he could come up with some metal-refining organs. If he can also add electrical capacity to the Sphere then that'd be awesome.

Getting Welgahoo to look over and help improve the sphere and leyline geyser is also a very good plan. That Deep Spawn might be able to tune things up quite a bit.

Then have a word with Gialgorra. Ask him how the reunion went. There's off the chance that Gwendellazia is a Pure Lady alternate reality person, which could be unpeasant, especially if the timeline original is dead... See if he'll divulge some things about CANTI's current capabilities and last of all ask Gialgorra if he could come up with design blueprints for a giant weapon that would take advantage of being well over 1 mile long and being firmly embedded in the Sphere like a particle cannon, plasma launcher or railcannon. If he asks why you would ever want such a monstrous thing then tell him about Broggamek. Also ask about large-scale perpetual powerplant engines and technological sensors. Are they viable? Make sure Gialgorra know you're glad to generally support his technology pursuits although you're generally just inclined to go with whatever works best.

Regarding the bound up Kaisera... Well it's incredibly cold-hearted, but consult with Kyorto if it's possible to make use of Kaisera to create the mage Mordre puppet body after consuming her soul. I just don't really see how she could take kindly to being drugged and kidnapped... Creating a perfect puppet body for meeting the Mortal Coil is really priority #1 now. The Mortal Coil representatives won't not be happy with being kept on hold for much longer. Perhaps Mordre can just claim to be rather paranoid of face to face meetings. That would also explain why Mordre uses a soul grave to do all his work.

Also supporting any trades with deep spawn administrators. I would especially like to get one or more deep spawn cores for Arkus's own personal use so he can get his own system up and running. Perhaps Mordre could also find some bandits to execute in Arkus' presence to see if Arkus can claim the souls to fuel his own System. Mordre would then actually be giving Arkus a lesson on how to build power through ruthlessness and gluttony- truly making him the apprentice of a soul grave.
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No. 286604 ID: a0d5fc

>>286591
>Also speak to Gailgorra about the construction of a silicon brain for your soul grave, to give it that touch of technology that it's been lacking so far. He'll like the sound of that.

Having shifted the Soul Furnace extra-dimensionally so that it is a Heaven attached to our soul, we should have plenty of room for this.

I suggest that rather than silicon, we use Blue Diamonds as the substrate to build our secondary brain, as they are a natural semi-conductor, and can run vastly hotter and are much tougher than silicon.. As our mental capabilities are already considerable, we should design it to be used as a magi-mathical co-processor, and the common elements of magical equations should be hard coded into their logic gates we build.

These Coloured diamonds should have other benefits, as well. As well as a central calculating engine probably located in our chest, we should also implant miniature diamond calculating engines in the locations of every one of our soul nexuses, to support their own local magical operations.

As ruler of the state, we should have access to their suppliers. In keeping with this, we should command them to bring us any samples of powerful Coloured Metals or Coloured Diamonds, to include in the superior magical alloy we're assembling.

We should also offer the most skilled runesmiths in the State the opportunity to compete in designing rune complexes for installation on us or our armour.
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No. 286608 ID: 81f32a

Oh
One thing that we are forgetting and should keep in mind are the Paradox Knights.
Lenryt had warned us that we haven't yet dealt with them.
We should plan to make things clear with them and meet privately.

Hmm now that I think about it, before we set up to eat Kaisera, we should totally give her a chance. Lets wake her up (using our curatiomancy). Might also want Arkus to be present.

>They all were... altered, reformed into new beings in a manner similar to Bang's own transformations-and every last one of them had magical capacity roughly ten times more than their soul weight should suggest, thanks to magic-producing organs within their structure. They fought in a manner very similar to Bang, tremendous agility and brute force the attack pattern of choice, with corrosive acids, monomolecularly sharpened bone, and ample manipulation of the Sphere's interior to create new attacks or footing for themselves.
>Kengehxion himself lived up to the Sphere God image, in my opinion. An Biological weapon some twelve feet tall, he was covered in chitinous orange bone with carbon nanotubes giving them unbelievable durability, while plates of metal where embedded in sections of his shell. Openings allowed for highly pressurize gar expulsions with internal ignition, flame lances that stretched hundreds of feet and carried temperatures hot enough to melt steel in seconds, Acid capable of dissolving more ably than dragons back home, shot with enough pressure to core through armor. Twin translucent portions in his chest were highly specialized lenses, allowing for the refocusing of light to craft lasers of his own-he matched a full discharge of the Amaranthine Annhilator jolt for jolt, and showed regeneration comperable to Bang-at the start.

Did you share all of this with Bang?
Even if he has no biological material to examine this information will prove useful.
Also tell him about all the plants Arkus has categorized, he might find something useful there.

Also, for people who want to claim that this is Mordres "Home" .... How will you explain to Bang our appearance in human after he spent a lot of time examining every nook of the sphere?
We should have set our "Castle" with maids and cats before sending Bang here. I suggest putting it right in the core.
Also, Bang can totally see Mordres connection going into the ground. If we claim that this place has always been our home then he will notice that there is no connection between the Golem and the Sphere.
At this point it might be easier to just admit we are anathema to Bang.
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No. 286628 ID: 5b95eb

By the way, I'm rather opposed to making it look as though the Sphere is our home. Or making a priesthood, though I wouldn't be opposed to one if it naturally formed. Arkus is busy enough as a State Mage, don't want him spending half his time preaching. Also sort of opposed to the Turducken golem, but with the Mortal Coil being more insistent... I don't know. Tell 'em we live in space or some shit. No wait that's a terrible idea.

By the way
><@TheBeardiestBob> So I am going to start only reading two posts maximum per posting id now-there is to much multiposting going on, it is taking longer and longer to slog through it.
><@TheBeardiestBob> I mean if you change your suggestion, delete the old one
><@TheBeardiestBob> if your trying to persuade someone of your viewpoint, do it in discussion
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No. 286629 ID: a76809

>>286557
>>286559
>>286568
>>286593
Considering I can already sense magic and if anything would gain some middling World magic capacity from her soul, the choice seems clear: I must determine if she is a potent enough sensor to 'see' the truth, and if so turn her ability on her with twisted words to smooth this over and induce her into service. I run through predictive pathing concerning branching conversations, check some figures and-

"Arkus, do see if she is alright!"
Phohn, tell Arkus to say nothing until he catches on to what I am doing.
The information was given Administrator Mordre
"Can you rouse her?"

As Arkus waves an herbal brew beneath the pale, almost ephemeral girl's nose, she slowly awakens-eyes slipping past Arkus to my glittering form almost instantly, but before she can even react I begin to speak, my words pitched as if from a genial grandfather.

" Oh, that scamp Ellayia! She liberally interpreted a request AGAIN, and here you are... I do apologize that you came here this way, as now all I want is to offer you a research position under a State Mage-Arkus here, my own personal apprentice-but given the circumstances of your arrival... well, all I can say is I apologize on Ellayia's behalf, and hope we can move past that."

Those wide, clear eyes, so stark and pure, silvery-periwinkle chips that gaze deep and far do not lid as I speak-even as the girl calms and stills a few words in, her eyes stay raptly open, alert, and glued to me. The moment I finish speaking she speaks, her words soft, hesitant-and probing.

>[Kaisera]"So.... where was I taken from? And who did I learn from?"

...She is a truth reader. She saw the Truth of my earlier words, but also wants further confirmation-well, the truth can be applied here, with the misleading base I have built. My dealings with Lenryt and Deep Spawn alike has made me far more practiced at serpentine phrasing.

"Ellayia is something of a character, one of my... less used contacts, I'll admit. You may have some inkling as to why thanks to how you arrived here. I told her to seek out a practiced, proficient World mage-ultimately, I want to offer a young, gifted mage a chance to learn in the State as it grows and expands, and... grow into her own position of authority-with full State funding for research, development, testing and study. You'll get to push magical boundaries to your own whims, if you want. Suffice to say, the fact she chose you was your initial interview and analysis of qualifications-you are exactly the kind of mage I sought."

She looks at Arkus, still squatting down beside her, repacking his vial of smelling herb, attired as a wizard just as she-and I see her eyes flit from staff to axe to body glove-and widen as she stares at his soul-she can see his System-sharp eyes indeed. So... what shall it be, Kaisera?

Finally-

>[Kaisera]"Your words ring too true, your dream proves to appealing to resist-I suppose I am your mage, then-forgive my attitude, but I am still quite agog at the whole situation."

Excellent. Arkus leads her away as I move to my next priority.

>>286558
>>286566
>>286569
I consider 'tea' from Lenryt I preserved and claimed-and I consider the pool of Deep Spawn Blood Iron, finally filled enough for my purposes. After Burduko recovers, he meets me at Mordreden, as I take off my overarmor, cast off my crown and mask, and, finally exposed again, I feast readily on the magic before me-as I send a trio of Pristine Souls into the ensemble, expanding the meager supplies I consume to slowly saturate my body-the ripple-patterned Blootz Steel getting a supercharging far more profound than before. It begins to glow, not just to magical senses but in the visible spectrum, and a nimbus of chormatic light dances about my form, making my appearance, from what I can see in the ice around me, seem perpetually an outline-

[-3 PRISTINE SOULS-----TOTAL PRISTINE SOULS REMAINING: 02]

My body resonates with magic threefold, imbued into my very metal. Belief, proud and sublime, a full spectrum from liquid mercury laced through my form and within my veins. Dream, unreachable yet present, resonates with the power of Deep Spawn essence. I run preliminary calculations based on the power changes-

Between the new Belief and my pre-existing trick of funneling excess Belief back into empowering my own soul, I have increased my magical regeneration capacity by a third, in comparison to what it would be without such alterations-this boost will scale with the total soul mass of my Eden, so far as I understand the magic linkages-so much of Belief is new ground to me. I know that, should I ever gain capacity for Dream magic, I will be able to use the Dreameater Blood Iron as a ward and weapon alike against the monsters of the Dream. And lastly, I recognize that the total magic infusion has rendered my innate grasp of Curatiomancy to bridge the gap between my Administrator status soul and the Soul Eden I inhabit.

I finally find myself in possession of Deep Spawn regenerative capacity-still no spawn to be seen, but between faith soldiers and guardian golems, I can hardly complain.

I reclad myself in my guise, only glimpses of my otherworldly glow spilling out from the goints of my armor

My next move is simple-I ask Dregas to secure a sample of each of Gialgorra's perpetual engines, and to have Burduko bring them to the Mordreden exit point. He replies that he should be able to get them for me in an hour, what with past dealings with Gialgorra-but that between this and Ellayia, we are back down to 2 million marks in debt. ...It never ends.

Either way, I spend an hour walking amongst the Premen, showing them my new splender-that respect that danced in Lorgk's eyes since first I met him has turned to reverence, and Oggroth looks ready to worship to ground I walk on. From one and all I feel Belief in my strength being kindled as I idly demonstrate my flight, my new weapons, my power to the eager crowd. Even Heol, Jojo's current Souldreaming pupil, does what she can to make her approval noticed. When the engines arrive, I bring them with me to Dorgrum, and explain their function and source, and my desire simply to know how to Restrict my own Deep Spawn, and how to make an Organic Soul Grave. I then offer the accompanying sample of magitech goods from the state to learn of how to make inorganic Soul Graves. Dorgrum tells me Eldghodd will only agree to the first, and so for now I make due, as the tentacled, mountainlike and unnatural mountain administrator appears, and pushes thoughts into the surface of my mind, where the Soul Eden's claws reach out to ensnare them-and on, the ideas are pushed, until my soul as well grasps the concepts involved-I grasp how to make Organic Soul Graves, and possess sufficient magic to make them myself, even if the ingredients involved are difficult to manipulate, and I know how to lay Restrictions onto souls, to brand as the Deep Spawn do. All of this, before the sun has fallen from the sky.

>>286578
After insuring the Premen are progressing speedily in adapting the industrial technology they acquired cycles ago, I spend the rest of the night speaking with the Dionepan refugees aboard the Ark Ascendant as I have titled the sphere, and showing them my Faith Soldiers-for I have an idea. I weave a tale to them of the soldiers being my gift to them, in honor of their willingness to follow me-personal protectors, there to support and protect them. I build Belief loops, one person per Faith Soldier, such that each of the thousands of Dionepans sustains their own individual Faith Soldier as personal bodyguard, each crafted by and ultimately subservient to me. An excellent form of both insurance and support for Belief. Anyone attempting to invade.... well, I remember how effective the Soul Soldiers were-twenty THOUSAND of them... I feel a bit more secure about the defensive state of my Sphere, even without Bang yet here. I find myself completely fine spending long hours building up these Faith Soldier-Dionepan bonds, Restricting each to exist only in the Sphere to further anchor them to reality and empower them as defenders.

[DAY 178: DAY 8 OF WEEK 3 OF MONTH 5:]
[Enduday of the Third Cycle of Libiturnius (Summer)]


In the pre-dawn hush, while the Dionepans slumber, Bang arrives.

I greet him before he enters the Sphere, having already Restricted my own soul to only be able to access the Soul Eden's belief while actively piloting it, and Restricting the Soul Eden to not be able to run lest I am actively present to direct its output. I explain to him that I have found another land where people are oppressed-by self augmentive curatiomancer/pomumancer combat magic specialists. And that I need him to familiarize himself with the Ark Ascendant here, and begin to reshape the willing refuges into more capable warriors. He will also be responsible for training them how to fight. Lastly, I say that, in exchange for all the fun he will be having here, he is also responsible for organizing daily shipments of excess food back to the State, to alleviate the strain on the budget. His response gladdens his heart.

>[Bang]"I will make sure you get every last microgram of food not needed to fuel the trainees-oh man, this is gonna be SO MUCH FUN-do I have permission to organize meetings between this and the Metal Skulls division in the Land of Dragons?"
"Count on it."
>[Bang]"[i]AAAAAAHHHH[i] yes, this is going to be incredible.... yes, I will do what you ask of me, with a zeal and ferver some would call psychotic!"
"Glad to know I could count on you Bang."

I spend the rest of the morning checking in on the Land of Dragons-to learn something disturbing-Keddic has sighted Trollzaru in the Land of Dragons-in the War Hound research department. ...He is now a co-worker, recommended by Jioga. He promised Lubu the secrets of Magic Eaters....

This... this cannot stand. The deceiver, the thieving yeti scum cannot be allowed to continue with this. And if I wait long enough, my title as Dragon will become official, and attacking him will become a crime.

Before the sun has risen, Burduko has brought me to the Land of Dragons.

I send a runner to Lubu, informing him of my intent to challenge Trollzaru to a duel to the death, even as I make my way to Keddic, already waiting for me with a gaggle of Ragegluts inquisitively peaking from within their dorms-and eyes widening as they see me jetting by. Keddic directs me to the building next to the one run by Dowsan, and as I push open the doors, throwing light onto Trollzaru's form, hunched over a table in the middle of an experiment, I hear a runner calling out to me as I stride within.

"TROLLZARU! I CHALLENGE YOU TO MORTAL COMBAT!"

>[Trollzaru]"Whoever I was, I am now Jogda, and I wish no quarrel with you."

He does not even move to defend himself as the runner draws nearer.







What should I do?
>[Please cut down on the multiposting.]
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No. 286633 ID: d3dfb8

The reason you have no spawn is because we have no Protosoul.
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No. 286639 ID: 5b95eb
 

>Mortal Kombat
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No. 286645 ID: 12323e

MORTAL KOMBAT!

"So be it. I will bring my grievance against you to Lubu, and he shall decide."

If it comes to that: Make the plea to Lubu. Inform him that 'Jogda' and ourselves have battled several times in the northern lands beyond the Desparden desert, beginning when he led his people in a sneak attack under a banner of truce against mine.

Remind him that he does owe us a small boon; we're calling it due. Allow us to battle to the death and let it be ended once and for all, or failing that, battle by proxy as we did with Jioga. The defeated party will take the others' holdings in this land, their position in Lubu's court (Oh yes, we can make Magic Eaters too, did we never mention...?) and all their powers (so that either way, Lubu will retain our services).

ROUND THREE! FIGHT!
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No. 286662 ID: a0d5fc

>>286629
>What should I do?
First, call Burduko and Velada to you, to shut down Chronomancy and Tractomancy. Then, contact Lubu, and tell him that you have recently learned the secret of constructing magic eating - and it requires the eating of souls.

"I challenge you in the name of the children you orphaned, who's parents' souls you devoured, they who cry out to their master for justice. It is both my pleasure and my justice to bring it down upon you."

Use Phohn to tell your allies to be alert in case Trollzaru goes for a mid fight snack, and to protect Lubu.

We also need to be careful. Is this a trap, or a decoy that Trollzaru has placed to put us off the trail whilst he escapes. Look closely, does his soul look like it should - if it is him, how much has it grown.

PS Attempt:

In his sentient state, Mordre is unique across all the realities. This means that even if he eats a mental Souldreamer he will not be able to Redact to upgrade or heal himself, as there are no alternative Mordres that could have been for him to draw upon.
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No. 286666 ID: 9ea6ca

>Now might be a good time for Mordre to hammer out some new spawn, too, although we're kind of split on what to make.
It looks like we are about to jump into another massive conflict, so we can put them off again for a little while.
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No. 286670 ID: bdd665

>I hear a runner calling out to me as I stride within.
Fuck.
If we dont listen to the runner(and probably get told we cant fight THAT FUCKING YETI) Lubu will be pissed at us. Meaning we risk Lenyrts two boons and getting the shit kicked out of us by Lubu in 2-3 months and possibly losing our Rageluts.
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No. 286672 ID: 5b95eb

Yes, listen to the runner.

And go ahead and call him Jogda.
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No. 286675 ID: ab04d4

Can't Kaisera read "truth"? Get her here to testify that Trollzaru has intentions of eating Mordre and that provides grounds for Mordre to issue a challenge.
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>[Trollzaru]"Whoever I was, I am now Jogda, and I wish no quarrel with you."

"BULLSHIT!"
Make the earth quake with that word. Imbue it with Belief, make everyone who hears that innately believe the weight of that Word. Whoever hears that will have hard time to question us .... the Word is just so True.


NO.
Do not falter.
We have been tricked by Yeti far too often. We KNOW he's lying.
We have established good enough relation with Lubu to clean explain ourself. (we should also mention, in private, how he has lost all his powers and what a mighty snack he would have been for Trolly)
Fight now. Explain later.

Summon Velada and Burduko to set up anti temporal and spacial field as first priority.

Charge up IG and punch him in the face.
Shoot vanguard blades.
Shoot Luck/Unluck combo without stopping (have Fortgon and Nechrahno target him as active target for duration of this fight) so that he doesn't teleport or any other shenanigans. do not use Chaos/Order shots
Activate all of your anti-magic equipment (Sword, Sable Executioner) and stab him in his heart and brain to prevent his magical regeneration.
Our Sword has technological based phonomacy, so he should not be able to eat it. And it can summon WALL of weapons, Wall of magic-nullifying weapons.
Keep in mind that he is a magic eater, do not allow him to consume magic. Do not use faith soldiers or golems and use your own magic sparingly.
Use time-banditry.
Use magnetic, kinetic and jet-propulsion boosts to gain the maximum speed possible.
Use geomancy to prevent him from running by burrowing away like previous time. (but keep in mind his magic eating capabilities, if he eats can eat your magic which you use on the ground, stop casting it)
TURN ON FJORDAK.
Shoot AA non-stop (we have an upgrade on our Ruin Revolver which shunts off the excess energy after the shot to recharge AA so we can shoot both of these without ever stopping)

Oh, and if it is possible get him out of the facility using whatever means possible.
Also keep collateral damage to minimum.

If things become too hard, summon increasing amount of Spawns and allies.
Also, keep in mind that he has gained Dream Powers. That means we cannot hold his soul unless we have Dream of our own.
When eating his soul use Pristine Soul from letting him escape.
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No. 286688 ID: ede5b7

>>286676
I agree with everything in this post.

And if all that don't work:
Shove the fury bastard down your GIANT FLAMING MAW.

"Here's a trick i learned from a golem slayer!" NOM

If anyone asks say you think he got incinerated, so no claims off soul eating. (totally did tho, Also yes PS him and move on to Giants in soul stomach fight.)
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No. 286689 ID: 46c430

Uh, do we really want to start a fight in the middle of a lab, in the middle of the city? I think we should at least make some sort of attempt to move the scene of the battle outside the walls.
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No. 286691 ID: b83150

I would suggest that Burduko teleport Velada to someplace on the Frostback Mountains, with Lorgk, Oggroth, Ugrokk, Dorgrum, Keddic, Bang, and some of our Deep Spawn (the combat ones: Nihilino, Mothbern, Murhyihal, Akeakam; I am not sure if the defense-oriented Deep Spawn should be included, since they are guarding Lubu...) soon after (all only if they agree if they want in on this fight; all of them have reason to do desire to kill and/or fight Trollzaru, so they should agree without any fuss). Then, Burduko should teleport Trollzaru and Mordre to that assigned battlefield. We shouldn't allow it to fight in a populated city, with much to feast upon; also, it would allow us to eat its soul with impunity, without having to explain away the violent and obvious soul-consumption. Also allow us to stack the deck against it, hopefully, and the ones going to fight it are capable enough to be, at the very least, a hindrance to it, so that we have a greater ease of killing it.

As for an appropriate reply - which should be made after Trollzaru gets teleported out - perhaps something like this: "...I would know your soul anywhere, even after your consumption of so many innocent souls, you most wretched of beasts." Probably should be done in a low, growled voice, like your anger and hatred compels you to say something, even when the subject of your hate has left.

Also, if, at any time, it has sustained enough damage to be susceptible to our soul-draw, activate our soul consumption, preventing it from regenerating or escaping.

And, to be terribly honest, I think I would prefer to gain more Soul Magic from it, rather than enhance magic-eating. Though, considering Goran's near-Legendary status, adding Trollzaru to Goran's soul would push Goran into Legendary, enhancing our Techno-Organic Circulatory System through Goran's affinity to what was once his heart, wouldn't it?

>>286676
>keep collateral damage to minimum
That would be covered by teleporting it to the Frostback Mountains, so consider this seconded.

>keep in mind his magic eating capabilities, if he eats can eat your magic which you use on the ground, stop casting it
The Geomantic manipulation to prevent it from escaping that way again is a good idea; but remember, even though it prevents magic from affecting the environment around it, we could always do like Eisenhardt, with his method of manipulating the earth just around the edges of the magic-nullifying field, and rip it out with a chunk of earth - the outer shell we can manipulate even though the innards are barred from us.

>Shoot AA non-stop
Shoot vanguard blades.
Essentially useless: it is a Magic Eater, remember? It would just eat it all anyways, as it is covered with mouths. Though, I suppose, the anti-luck from Nechrahno and the luck from Fortgon would ensure that we could hit the non-mouth portions...

>Charge up IG and punch him in the face.
I do hope that this does not mean using the Primary Function of IG, which would essentially mean creating something to the effect of a magical nuke of around, minimum, a mile wide. If IG is being used to disrupt any spell-casting it may do, then, support. Though, before making any attacks, physical or magical, use IG's anti-magic field to strip away all of its magic defenses on its flesh: it was hard enough to hurt Goran before the defenses were dispelled, I don't want to know what it has.
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No. 286716 ID: 46c430

Idea for how Lubu made himself capable of growing in power so damn fast: He Restricted himself against creating new techniques. Basically, he can only learn things others have done, things that he knows the mechanics of, he can't do anything new or original.
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No. 286719 ID: f88f02

"YOU CANNOT EVADE THE MURDER, THE TRICKERY, THE LIES, THE DEATH YOU HAVE CAUSED BY SIMPLY CHANGING YOUR NAME, TROLLZARU! YOU CANNOT EVADE THE TIMES YOU HAVE MADE A FOOL OF ME AND MY ALLIES BY SIMPLY CHANGING YOUR NAME, TROLLZARU! YOU CANNOT EVADE YOUR ANCESTRY BY SIMPLY CHANGING YOUR NAME, TROLLZARU! YOU CANNOT EVADE YOUR DEATH BY CHANGING YOU NAME, TROLLZARU!"

COMBAT MODE ENGAGE.

"BUT, PERHAPS MOST FRIGHTENING, YOU CANNOT EVADE ME BY SIMPLY CHANGING YOUR NAME, TROLL! ZAR! RU!"
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No. 286723 ID: b00bec

>>286716
Could be. He can combine different techniques he's learned, but the Restriction could be carefully worded to allow that. We also know that he's locked out of Dream magic.
My feeling, though, is that no amount of Restriction adds up to a permanent MoI - he must have found a loophole somewhere.
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No. 286726 ID: 5b95eb

Shit, don't fight yet. We're in the middle of a research lab and such. See what the runner has to say, and then see if there's like an arena or something you can have this fight in.
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No. 286728 ID: d4f98d

God, anger's a big no-no. Chill out, deal with this rationally. EXPECT EVERYTHING. I don't want to fight in his warehouse, given that it's likely stacking the odds in his favor if we do.
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No. 286731 ID: 1854db

Don't take no for an answer. Use burduko to teleport the fucker AND YOU to Velada. Push a second core into him if you need to. Hell, push a core into Velada for the fight. WE MUST KILL HIM.
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No. 286763 ID: 9ea6ca

Damn! I almost forgot to mention something.

The inhabitants of the sphere are going to be very impressed with Bang and his mastery of life. But remember how most of their powers have to do with the manipulation of plants. And that wood is considered especially valuable?

Send Welgahoo to hang out with Bang and the rest of them. Growing stuff is his hat!
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No. 286774 ID: 259738

Don't use the primary IG function or the AA. The one will most likely blow up everything for miles, including us, and the other he is just going to eat.
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No. 286859 ID: 21e57a

>>286719
I like this. We should punch and teleport him as we cry it out.
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No. 286913 ID: a76809
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>>286639
>>286676
>>286719
>>286859
[Rolling with it.]

I begin to bellow in a blend of Common, Premen, Yeti and Low Tongue, proclaiming my indignation, my outrage at finding this vile foe working amongst my peers. I don't even turn towards the messenger-still far enough away they could not hope to have caught a human's attention.

"YOU CANNOT SHED THE LIES, THE BETRAYALS, THE DEATH YOU INFLICTED WITH A NEW NAME, TROLLZARU!"

He continues to look at me with a mocking degree of composure, still evoking innocence. It is hard to believe he can seem and sound so earnest as a monstrous mound of fur, teeth, claws, tongues, bone and eyes. I roll over his words before he reaches the second syllable as I continue to drown out the runner.

"YOU CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM A HERITAGE OF DECIET AND BETRAYAL AS 'JOGDA', TROLLZARU!!"

Again he moves to speak-and I afford him no chance-do I see irritation gleaming in those eyes?

"YOU CANNOT EVADE VENGEANCE, JUSTICE FOR YOUR SINS, TROLLZARU! !!"

Once more he tries to speak, some of his composure falling away-and again I override him, still striding forward, now almost at his chest, bellowing within the laboratory.

"YOU CANNOT EVADE ME BY CHANGING YOUR NAME! TROLL! ZA! RU!!!"

I place my hand against his chest, calling Burduko to my side-

>"A nice bit of impromptu theater. No one could claim you saw that runner save you yourself-and if your foe is dead before the missive, which as you suspect details orders to not aggress Trollzaru, which while bearing Lubu's seal is only signed by-yes-Jioga. But dead before you were informed-he can't hold that against you without directly involving Lubu, and you konw how he'd rule-so, safe to kill the yeti, right?"

I am not moving. Trollzaru is not moving. Nothing is moving, everything in a perfectly Ordered moment of stillness, Time stopped around us-or perhaps we were the ones pushed outside of time?

Everything except for one of the researchers, by their robes a lowly assistant, an easily replacable pair of hands-

A weak soul that carries hints of irregularity and beyond-

>"Now now, no need to pry quite that much-really, you have that oh so deliciously desired battle to get to, right? But the problem is that you have the wrong stage. No audience, civilian casualties to distract, huge amounts of clutter to clog up the battlefield, that runner approaching-and where could Burduko take you that Trollzaru could not escape? I feel rather confident you did not consider that, as Velada is not here with you. Concept was sound, execution fell short-given your resources, not too bad."

He idly walks over, hands behind his head in a strange, slouched, bow-legged lope, and cocks his head at me, an eye milky with cateracts gleaming straight into my soul.

>"I got a proposition to make, as it were. I cogitate the disruption a Planet Eater's presence can have, and as I desire fair dealings with you, I will offer you a gift on our meeting, to encourage positive interaction."

He begins to pace back and forth, brow furrowed, head to the ground-lips still not moving as he projects words into my mind.

>"I move you and Trollzaru to a pocket dimension that I make just for this fight-and I make it outside of time, so you can take as long as you want. I will build an arena in which you can fight to your heart's content, and I ask NOTHING in return. Hey, I'll even let Figment have a peak so you can get replays later. Would that make my intrusion more tolerable? Or do you think you have it as is?"
Were you planning on giving a name at any point?
>"Point. Call me.... The Fan! And I take your response as a yes, SO-!"

Reality breaks around us, shattering into ever smaller pieces and crumbling away outside of existence, as I find my feet on different ground-and marvel at where I am.

There is a perfectly dark void, a sea of nothingness that we float in.

We stand inside an Antimagic crystal mountain, hollow and filled with ledges, outcroppings and caves.

Rising from deep below comes molten metal-tungsten by my sensors-imbued with a wild and raw blend of Chaos and Belief, somehow feeling more metaphysically and profoundly hot than it should. This is the miles high mountain-no, volcano that we inhabit, and will battle upon.

The immobility holding Trollzaru and I falls to pieces.

>"LET IT BEGIN!"






What do I do?
>[Be as specific as possible, this is not the time to be vague in your planning.]
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No. 286914 ID: cc7d04

Do NOT attack yet. Wait fot Lubu to arrive, explain the situation and all your grievances against Trollzaru, together with the record of his dishonor ways and repeated betrayels. When Lubu gives his okay, and only then, punch his face in. Repeatly. With gusto. And activated IG.
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No. 286918 ID: 5b95eb

>>286916
Come now, post times are the same, cut him some slack.


Anyways, Order/Chaos rounds: Spam them. Magnetomance as much of that tungsten to you as you can, also fire up IG. IG should charge from the heat quick, also see if you can turn your pinky into that molten tungsten, if you want to more fully implement it into you, you can chop most of it off, heal it with your curatiomancy/magnetomancy, then eat it. It'd take a while, but you could totally do it. And if you don't like it, pop out a blootz round and use that to replace it.

Hell, why haven't we been doing this with our Black steel again? I'm almost certain I'm forgetting something
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No. 286922 ID: 12323e

"My thanks, Fan!"

Fire thrusters, land on one of the ledges.

"Now then, Trollzaru, we may safely dispense with lies and falsities. Shall we go at it like crazed beasts until it rains blood?"

(If he says 'no') "Too bad!"

Fashion spears out of the earth and throw them at him from multiple directions. Remove the controlling geomancy while they're in mid-flight so he has no magiuc to eat, just rock. Break off chunks of antimagic crystal by hand if there are any nearby, and do the same. Pin him down, cut off his avenues of escape. Then it's time to dip into some Mass Connection we haven't had much cause to use; I have no idea if Troll can eat Mass Connection energy, but Soul energy is supposed to damage Deep Spawn. I think it's worth a try.

Fire up the thrusters and leap down at him, use some kinetimancy to decrease wind resistance and increase your own vector. Get up some good speed to really punch him into the dirt. "Let's see how the weight of your soul compares to mine, Trollzaru," and see how he likes a taste of your Jade Fist. "Say Goodbye, Nowhere Man!"
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No. 286923 ID: f88f02

>>286922
>Soul energy damages deep spawn
>He can eat magic

What if we make a soul energy bomb that works like a time-release gobstopper?
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No. 286924 ID: 5b95eb

>>286922
>Shall we go at it like crazed beasts

I don't think we should put it quite like this
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No. 286926 ID: 1854db

Open up with a Jade Fist. Begin charging the IG. Have Burduko begin moving around the arena, avoiding getting too close to Trollzaru, so that we have a range of teleportation. Activate your Blood Magic with the Deep Spawn's aid, and magnetomance that tungsten to you. Apply it to your alloy while you fight!

If you ever shed his blood, apply it to the Sable Executioner to bring about the SSSS. BLEND him with it! I'm all for putting a Pristine Soul into the Sable Executioner to make the SSSS always active, by the way.
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No. 287002 ID: 259738

Avoid using things like the Faith Guardians or Faith Soldiers. Trollzaru will just eat them and screw us over. Magic amplifier might work, though, how has the function of that changed? Can we use it to crank up our Geomancy or Magnetomancy to propel projectiles and then remove magical influence so he can't eat it?
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No. 287053 ID: a0d5fc

OK.  

First thing. We are facing a foe that can eat magic, so do not use magic on him directly, focus on boosting ourselves and our physical attacks. To start, reach down into the mountain and use your Magnetomancy and Geomancy to full a current of the molten tungsten to the surface to consume, to strengthen the alloy you are formed from, and to serve as missiles. 

Now we have Deep Spawn regeneration, we should have no fear of using our Nimble Nitro paired with internal Magnetomancy ability at full capacity, accelerating our metal body so that we can both move and strike with incredible speed and kinetic energy.  

To stand in for our absent allies, we should use our Geomancy to call up a few clay siege golems - to act as distractions and deal with Trollzaru's spawn more than anything else. They have no souls or flesh, so hopefully Trollzaru would gain little from eating them.  

Switch on Blood Magic to full strength. 

Use any new sensitivity that our Curiatomancy grants us to sense Trollzaru's body for weak points or threats.  

Activate the Immortal Genocide, and draw the Weapon Grave. Activate all its anti-magic functions at once - the black crystal sword, the Void Bringers magic-annuling rune. Infuse it with Belief-aligned gold, and infuse some of the Belief Engines output into it. Use the resonance weapon to set up an incredibly strong cutting vibration in the axe head we manifest, and time-lock it to ensure that Trollzaru cannot eat it.  

Do not use our ranged weapons, instead, bombard him with nonmagical material that we pick up from around us and throw at him.

As you do this, consider that you can now create apparently limitless Order-Chaos rounds - or at least, they create far less energy to produce than they generate on detonation. This is a far more useful function than simply using them as cannon rounds. You need to modify the cannon so that the shells continually feed into a Order-Chaos reactor inside yourself - or even better, to an extra-dimensional space anchored to you inside your chest. There, you can detonate the shells within the reactor, which must either be built with such strength as to be able to contain the tremendous power of the explosions, or it can be slowed using Chronal Banditry such that the explosion is just a continual surge of energy. If we can invest ourselves with Deep Spawn Cores to build such a reaction chamber, we should do so.  

PS Attempt  

Do not use Order-Chaos rounds though, if we do Trollzaru will simply eat the explosion of magic and be massively empowered. might be able to eat the explosions. Even normal rounds are living spawn, and

PS Attempt 2 

Eisenhardt is Weismann's contact in the state.He is a master geomancer, so would have investigated the depths of the Earth, and is able to move leylines around without repurcussions from their maintainers. He also had access to the State's magitech innovation – he sold them for permission to rearrange Leylines, and possibly other boons. If the State invents anything new, and Eisenhardt finds out about it, he will trade them away before we can, if we're not very careful. It is fortunate that he is not an Administrator, so cannot purchase Deep Spawn Cores.
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No. 287066 ID: 21e57a

First, cycle through the magics we have. What isn’t working and what is. I have a lurking feeling we won’t have much, but hopefully we’ll have enough. Curatiomancy and Blood Magic will work, hopefully, so we can hit up the Nimble Nitro and dance circles around Trollzaru. I’m gonna suggest we then rip a anti-magic stalagmite and use a Rock to just beat the ever living shit out of Trollzaru with it.

If our items work, we should shoot our cannon, unmodified, into his face as we beat him.

And if magic does work, >>286922
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No. 287068 ID: a0d5fc

>>287066
>If our items work, we should shoot our cannon, unmodified, into his face as we beat him.

Don't use the cannon. The shells are living spawn - he'll just eat them and power up.
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No. 287076 ID: 9ea6ca

>>287068
The cannons are living spawn. But I'm pretty sure the shells are just plain blootz steel. We've been eating them for quite a while now.

The cannon should work fine on him if fired in "unpowered" mode. The shells have no magic in them to speak of. Just lots and lots of momentum. And even if he could, stripping the magic off a solid metal bullet entering his mouth at mach 2 would still result in a headsplosion.
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No. 287088 ID: 12323e

>>286924
I considered using 'crazy men', but that doesn't fit either Troll or we very well.

>>287076
I believe the Chaos/Order rounds are the cannons' spawn, but we can also fire regular rounds which are plain blootz steel. If we have enough space to cue up a railgun, that may work nicely. He could probably eat the magnetomancy involved, but he's also eat a round going mach30.
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No. 287089 ID: bdd665

the riunds may have been changed to our new highly magical metal
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No. 287103 ID: 81f32a

First of all, turn on Fjordak

Trollzaru is a magic eater, but remember Mordre also has magic eating ability.
As far as I know, Trollzarus forte lies with his magic powers, I don't really think he will be that strong in melee fight. Besides we have upgraded us sufficiently enough that even Goran at his prime wouldn't be a threat to us even if we restricted the fight to hand-to-hand.

The problems arise when we remember that Trollzaru here, has dream magic powers.
But it seems The Fan has given us an edge. Remember, when Mordre first ate Lenryts Tea, he had noted that its Dream capabilities will act as weapon and a ward against dream beasts. Trolly here, I think, qualifies as dreambeast.
That molten tungsten you feel has Dream properties to it, gather that shit and consume as much as possible. Also coat your Sable Executioner.

We should further take advantage of our surroundings. Those anti-magic crystals will serve us well.
Use the phonomatic powers of our sword to shatter big chunks of the crystal so that it falls on him. That should restrict him handsomely.

I don't see how Trollzaru would be able to eat the cannon shots with powerful Luck/unluck capabilities. At least shoot one to try it out. Don't use Chaos/order though.

Use our newly coated Sable Executioner against Trollzaru, aim for his hear and brain. We must use our anti-magic weapons to halter his regeneration.

If Trolly summons his Spawn. Summon faith soldiers and Golems to deal with them. Do not let them approach Trolly himself though, I suspect he will eat them. Keep him pinned down so that he doesn't move to eat them.

Charge up IG and use anti-magic bursts at him. This should be our most powerful and effective weapon against him.

Also, keep in mind, that besides winning this fight, we now also must entertain The Fan. So make the fight as spectacular as possible. I think making up weapons and pulling out new techniques our of our ass on the go would help to do that. The Vortrex cannon that Troy had (disc thread) should be a good start.


Now, lets try our hand on some Pristine Soul prediction. Because the heat of the battle with one of our oldest, dangerous and hated foe is best time as any to think of higher stuff.

Consider the continent Dionepa.
Extremely unique and it looks like nothing we have known.
Before going there we used to think that Bangs skills were completely unique, that only he had what is called Combat Curatiomancy.
But here is entire continent that has been doing that for millenia and know of nothing else.
That leads to think that other continents will be as unique.
Now, here is my shot on a possible continent:
The whole place will be like Gialgorra Islands. In other words, it will be technological heavy continent.
Probably the reason for it is that the system is either absent there or very weak (just like Gialgorra islands), that means they will have no or very little magic.
Meaning that they will have never designed their devices against magic (since there's none). Now, before you point me to CANTI, remember, Toledo built it will sole purpose to beat magic, to show everyone that it is possible to achieve great heights without resorting to magic.
But since there is no magic on my hypothetical continent, that means they have no wards against it.
So that means, if we ever find ourself there, they will be ill-prepared to deal with our powerful magical attacks.

Another PS:
Remember how Phohn could read surface thoughts of Eisenhardt when he was conflicted and under stress?
Remember how Dompaggio couldn't get all of information out of Gwen without resorting to torture?
Well, I think we have blown our chance at that particular query. If we had teamed up Phohn and Dom, I'm sure that Phohn could have picked up some thoughts from Gwen while Dom was interrogating her, that way we would have gotten the full information.
So, I predict that in future if we come across the same situation as with Gwen again, we can use Phohn and Dompaggios stressful interrogation to partially read minds of peoplw.
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No. 287121 ID: 9ea6ca

>we now also must entertain The Fan. So make the fight as spectacular as possible. I think making up weapons and pulling out new techniques our of our ass on the go would help to do that.
From here on anything we say/do needs to have an ACTION MOVIE flourish to it.

One liners, GO!
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No. 287124 ID: b83150

First and Foremost, I must urge that we turn on our ability to draw souls, be they ambient of near-death, by tearing them from their vessel, and not stop until we have successfully integrated Trollzaru into our spell matrices or we have exited the pocket dimension. It would be quite prudent, I feel, to catch any and all opportunities that might exist that would allow us to consume Trollzaru's soul; that is, that particular quality of our soul-draw - the violent pull of souls still housed in their vessels of flesh, and thus, their death and imprisonment in our form - allows us to capitalize on any moment in which Trollzaru is close to death before he can regenerate.

Also, if we were to somehow consume Trollzaru's soul in the next update, I would rather not allow Trollzaru and Goran to consume the other, but to direct Trollzaru into enhancing our Soul Magic. While empowering Goran - who grants us our Magic Consumption ability and from whom our Molten Fist ability draws power - may strengthen what he grants, I do not like the idea of feeding Goran souls that would grant us more power and flexibility. And, most worrying, granting a soul noted for malice and hatred directed toward us more potency that may allow it to escape from our grasp, defy our will, or otherwise harm our plans.

Considering that we are in a volcano made of Antimagic crystal - which, I shall presume, to be the, or of, the same type as the magic-consuming crystal Abaeloth's sword(s) were made of - and the previously established reaction of such crystals when exposed to other sources of magic-dispelling Order (i.e. when Bang slammed down Void Bringer down onto Abaeloth's sword), I would suggest that, when or if the situation progresses to the point in which both Trollzaru is close enough to catch within the Order-Order reaction and far enough for us to get away in time so as to avoid damaging our armor and weapons, we strike a free-floating piece of the crystal (I am not quite sure what would happen if we were to strike the giant mass of crystal with Antimagic, but, given the circumstances, I am not willing to investigate) with one of our Antimagic sources - Ozmand's Order imbued rounds, Void Bringer, or IG's Antimagic field. The resulting explosion should strip Trollzaru of any magical defenses it may have and the resulting lingering field of Void essence should dampen any works of magic it may try to use to recover. As, though we rely much on our magic, we have other, more physical options (e.g. our Weapon Grave, Ruin Revolver. Siege Fist, Sable Executioner) that are not overly hindered by magic-dampening, we could thus capitalize on such an opportunity by inflicting enough grievous harm upon its body to weaken it to the point where its soul cannot resist our soul-draw.
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No. 287126 ID: d1bc5f
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287126

Aw YES! We finally get to kill this bastard!

>>287121 has the right idea!
"Your TIME is up, Trollzaru!"

>>287103
>Use the phonomatic powers of our sword to shatter big chunks of the crystal so that it falls on him. That should restrict him handsomely.
That sounds splendid! We could also stab some at him if he dodges them too effectively.
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No. 287130 ID: a76809

>>286918
I try to reach out to themolten tungsten, massive flows of power, immense calculation required to even shift such metaphysical weight-imagined superheated metals imbued with a blend of magics-

But before I can snare anything, my hand, still on Trollzaru's chect, from the very position we were frozen in, begins to disintegrate-Trollzaru's torso flowing like water into a gnawing, grinding mass of teeth. I try to pull back my hand-and find his bite to be barbed, innately resisting the freedom of that caught-an artful bit of Combat Curatiomancy, no doubt about it.

>>286922
[There is no earth. There is molten imbued tungsten, antimagic crystal transparent volcano-and you two. That's it.]
I wrench my hand free with Kinetomancy, Magnetomancy and thrusters all in use, the hand a misshapen, broken wreck-for all of a half-second, before my soul's Deep Spawn regeneration kicks in, my hand pristine and untouched again before a full second ever elapses. In this time I turn all the momentum I built into a charge, slamming my right shoulder, cannister saw-ring storage open, each ring made to turn in alternating directions. While Trollzaru may have teeth that can rend and cling to metal given a chance-what can he do about supersonic teeth in a massive meat-grinder?

"Let's forget our lies, our masks-and be what we are."

Massive gouts of blood, rent flesh, torn fur and cracked bone form a conetrail behind us, a gory testament of the hundreds of feet my endless charge has crossed yet, still accelerating-but I feel Trollzaru twitch at my words. ....Could my estimation be right? Could he really understand? ...What does it matter, in this place between moments, in the hands of a Planet Eater, about to slay the one I speak to? ....What do ANY of my facades matter here?

Images carefully adhered to so often, behaviors kept in check no matter where I roamed, caution, planning, manipulation-

All of it falls away, and I feel a profoundly intimate feeling of... contentment, of simplistic bliss. The words I utter next are said at a shout, but my soul seems to sing them, Soul Eden in perfect harmony, yet I hardly notice them as I take this great sense of... accuracy, or prescience, of intuition, and whirl it all into discarding my Overarmor, my mask and my crown, to store all within my Soul Eden itself, carried over the spiritual backs of Yamanatos and Ridfanre and stored outside of reality-even one so tenuous as we inhabit now. I hear what I say as an afterthought to my own very first-

[MOMENT OF INSPIRATION]
>[Mordre can now store objects imbued in his own Ownership and Belief inside his Soul Eden, where they act as focus points for errant Belief. Considering your engine now allows the inhabiting souls free will, caution is suggested in just what is stored in your Soul Eden, seat of belief.]

"WE ARE MONSTERS THAT FEAST ON WAR AND DEATH-LET'S GO AT IT LIKE CRAZED BEASTS!!"

Trollzaru's body shudders, shakes, riots-

Trollzaru laughs as, torso a mangle mess, he pulls himself closer, a ginning face of madness before my exposed skull face, jaws opening wide-

>[Trollzaru]"HOW CAN I RESIST!?"

AMARANTHINE ANNIHILATOR

I see him trying to react, to catch the magic beams-to no avail, their destination already reached-as I freeze holes through his skull via his two most central eyes as the surrounding flesh chars, jaws stalled-

As I belatedly realize his attack was twofold, a Gravimantic weight vast and terrible snaring us both-

And pulling us screaming down into the ever-rising molten Tungsten, seat of Chaos and Belief.

The moment Trollzaru makes contact, fur incinerates, skin bubbles and melts, muscles shrivel, tendons crisp and bones crack-but through it all he continuous a never-ending run of monstrous regeneration, putting himself back together faster than he breaks-and still ready to fight.

I find the molten metal no more kind to me than him-I likewise have to deal with my body constantly threatening to melt, feeling my regeneration moderately taxed-even as I have to devote an entire Soul Nexus to creating a Pyromantic/Magnetomantic shield around my ruby eyes. Trollzaru's left arm, now no more than super-condensed bone spike, its tip hardened into something structurally similar to diamond, races through the heavy and hot curtain that covers us both-

>>286926
I meet that once-more descending maw with a Jade Soul uppercut, my own soul covering for the missing Body Soul Nexus as a fist wreathed in Soul rockets upward-

And is sucked dry on contact, my fist once more being feasted on as Trollzaru leers, arm beginning to pierce my side-

Until I switch tactics and trigger the Immortal Genocide.

[DISCONTINUITY]

I am now aware my Soul Eden's physical anchor came within two millimeters of being breached, and that several hundred tons of molten tungsten is now falling on me like a flood, currents swirling as I regenerate-and relocate Trollzaru, now a hundred and ninety three feet away-and in an even worse state, still regrowing fundamental skeletal structure. ...The Chaos of my soul, of Trollzaru's form, of the molten tungsten-and the Order of the Immortal Genocide. ....And strangely enough, the sections of my hand closest to the enchantment in question registered almost no damage, despite being at the center of a magical depth-charge.

Curious.


>>287103
Fjordak, activate.

My heart, the heart of Goran made metal, then the seat and host of an internalized Deep Spawn, shudders and writhes, its shivers growing more swift till it scarce seems to move at all-and the ferrofluid collection running within my veins accelerates to just shy of four times the speed of sound. With a Deep Spawn managing the function, I have no need to divert a power source to sustaining the Blood Iron flow-

I use Magnetomancy to pull myself forward, funneling the tungsten into my torso-mounted maw, rapidly consuming the mass before me even as I hurl myself forth on a massive magnetic wave riding amidst the wild thermal fluctuations-and I close on Trollzaru before he finishes his regeneration.

>>287066
I place a hand against his chest again, recreating the pose we began this battle in-and let my newfound mastery of Curatiomancy and massive magic store impose my Ownership on just a few thousand cells-then a hundred thousand, building on my base-before a quarter second has passed, three hundred million cells are under my control, already becoming necrotic, cancerous and highly toxic masses, snarls of self-destructive traps-

As Trollzaru's arms-all FIVE of them, each shaped into an organic diamond-tipped lance, converge on my form, four towards my torso, one towards my skull.

Through it all, Trollzaru and I continue to be destroyed by our surroundings even as we consume it and turn its own destructive force into the fuel for our perpetual regeneration.



More.


I need more.









What more can I do?
Should I keep the fight inside the molten tungsten or try to move it?
How can I kill something as regenerative as a Deep Spawn?
Do I even wish to bother attempting to speak with Trollzaru?
>[No allies or anything can be called on-this is Mordre v. Trollzaru. No external Deep Spawn or otherwise.]
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No. 287135 ID: ab04d4

Can't we slash him with our Executioner- I remember that its wounds are difficult to regenerate? Or is that a form of magic Trollzaru will eat?
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No. 287136 ID: 259738

>>287130
We ought to be doing better than Trollzaru inside the tungsten. We have a significant amount of pyromancy and magnetomancy skill, and a lot more magical power to draw on, plus metal is a lot harder to burn than flesh. He has regeneration, but even he shouldn't be able to keep it up forever. When we aren't using other functions of the IG, use the magic amplifier to enhance our Kinetomancy, Magnetomancy, and Pyromancy to use both defensively and to boost our speed and strength. We ought to be able to use Magnetomancy to get around a lot more quickly than Trollzaru can inside a bunch of molten metal. Hit and run tactics, try and tag him with more Curatiomancy when possible, or hit him with an accelerated punch or the Sable Executioner. Continue eating tungsten to improve your alloy.
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No. 287138 ID: d4f98d

>>287130

HANDS.
OF.
MOTHERFUCKING.
HUNGER.
MARK II.
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No. 287139 ID: f88f02

TAKE THE HEAT AND TURN IT INTO POWER FOR THE AA. ALL THE HEAT. FREEZE US IN A 'PRISON' OF TUNGSTEN, BUT LET YOUR EYES BE FREE OF IT

SHOOT HIM AGAIN, AND SHOVE SOME SOUL ENERGY INTO IT THIS TIME
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No. 287140 ID: f88f02

>>287138
THIS TOO
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No. 287141 ID: 903f16

>>287138
Do this AND use the Anti-Vanguard Blade Launcher to fire some circular blades at him, channeling our Curatiomancy into said blades to continue the cancer injection process. He wants to get into close range with us? Let's show him how bad of an idea that is.
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No. 287143 ID: 63fc62

>>287130
EMERALD ERADICATOR POINT BLANK SHOT
Shunt all the heat surrounding the both of you directly into Trollzaru.

Then, activate the Spectral Gorging Anima- THE BEAST HAS BEEN BOUND FOR FAR TOO LONG, let Fang-Taker manifest his rage and shear the life from this traitor of traitors.
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No. 287146 ID: 0750cb

>>287135
Sadly you are thinking of Necronostrium, of which only a few pounds were made. The Sable Executioner is made of Black Steel, which ensnares and breaks magic on contact, forming a sphere of anti-magic powerful enough to break blood magic.

But he is using soul magics, wild and terrible.

So the tungsten is made of belief and magic? FORCE YOUR OWNERSHIP ON IT. MAKE IT YOUR OWN, THEN PLACE IT IN THE SEAT OF POWER IN YOUR EDEN. If you can ensnare his arms in it with magnetomancy, do that. Commit every soul nexus not used for attacking or keeping yourself together for analyzing his soul.
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No. 287147 ID: 5b95eb

Rending Grasp.

Toss on feasting vestments after the diamond-spikes are dealt with.
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No. 287150 ID: 1854db

Hey, remember what we did to that gold golem? INVERT OUR FOE!
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No. 287151 ID: 12323e

PS attempt: We know Yeti are restricted not to be able to leave the mountain without permission from the Premen. This sounds like Deep Spawn behavior. Troll could become an Organic Soul Grave so easily because yeti are predisposed that way already. They are proto-Deep Spawn, or proto-Soul Graves, or something similar, one of Eldghodd's experiments or supplicants of old. But Deep Spawn always tell the truth, and we know well that Yeti Always Lie. The Yeti broke away from the Deep Spawn in their distant past, and now live in a way opposed to them. If Troll becomes an Administrator (which I think he has the potential), he could remove that restriction.

Lyrical attempt based on our first MoI:

The road goes ever ever on,
From dark and trackless Mosmordren lands,
Through snow and steeps, and bandit bands,
Through war-torn States, and Premen fates,
And Deep Spawned caverns measureless to man.

Through death, through fire, until we can
Walk that track with eager feet,
And at the end we'll take
Our place and perhaps there meet,
Gods, and Wanderers, and silly Fans
Or something stranger, who can say?


> Should I keep the fight inside the molten tungsten or try to move it?
Keep at it. We need it if we want to have a hope of defeating his regeneration. One of us will break, and we just have to hope it's him.

Can we switch one of our nexi over to Blood while keeping up the magnetomancy/pyromancy shield around our eyes? It's time to have some fun.

Kick caution to the curb and charge! Strike out with our Sable Executioner, and take Troll's blood into ourselves, activating the SSSS. Activate Abaeloth's Hands of Hunger or Goran's Feasting Vestments (Goran was there at the beginning of this feud, he should be there at the end, one way or another) and get in there and start swinging.

Rip and tear! Rip and tear!
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No. 287158 ID: 5b95eb

Try to get some of your ownership/belief on that tungsten and shove a little of it in your soul eden for science later.

(This is a terrible idea)
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No. 287166 ID: d4f98d

>Do I even wish to bother attempting to speak with Trollzaru?

"My allies. My enemies. Patrons, Friends, Rivals. So much effort spent, devoted to each. You, however...you hold a special place, shared by few. I hate you so much it practically defines a part of me. Yet as you are now, you and I can act like this, and I can finally cut loose. I can finally halt all restraint for a time.

And for that, I can do naught but treasure this moment."
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No. 287183 ID: 9ea6ca

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

(play to the audience more!)
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No. 287188 ID: d3dfb8

Should you get a chance, remember how he tried to eat your fist? Should you get caught again simultaneously use Hands of Hunger, Rending Grasp, and Molten Fist. If this does not sufficiently damage him to win the battle or safely extract yourself from his grip, follow up with some good ol' IG.
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No. 287199 ID: 252e1b

Sing the Dirge. In war, all war, it is your trademark. Sing the Dirge and reap the benefits of the Belief tied to it from all the souls in your Eden. Most of them died hearing the Dirge. It is the embodiment of imminent death and destruction.

Serenade Trollzaru in this last fight with him.
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No. 287205 ID: 1854db

Any further use of the IG should be via the magic draining and nullifying abilities, not the magic-to-explosives power.

Unless we want to push a PS into it to allow our entire body to become immune to the resulting blast, instead of just the small area that is protected now.
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No. 287217 ID: 9b0a68

>>287143
Definitely agree about Emerald Eradicator being used.

>>287205
If we do use the IG again, I'm voting for this.

If he tries to use the gnawing wall of teeth again, use SPECTRAL GORGING ANIMA if it's only our fist he grabs, and HANDS OF HUNGER if he's grappling us or something.
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No. 287240 ID: 6a1753

Mordre is Competently submerged in the molten tungsten right? If so if the AA gets used again the molten tungsten will cool into a solid metal path right into Troll. I say you hit him with a shit ton of bolts, but with the path as a conductor so that when the electricity hits him it will be normal lightning hitting him so he wont have any magic to absorb.

BUT if magic lightning is ALWAYS magic lightning, Never mind.
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No. 287241 ID: 6a1753

Also, if possible, Boost Mang Maker with faith power the same way Mordre used to boost his spells with more souls.
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No. 287243 ID: d3dfb8

>>287240
Use ignimancy to create a mundane electrical charge in the tungsten via spinning electromagnet.
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No. 287267 ID: a0d5fc

Use AA on the tungsten around Trollzaru's feet not directly on him, so that he is hit by the blast of non-magical heat and he's pinned in solid tungsten. 

Consider what you have learned of Curiatomancy, and the purpose of blood – it is to carry energy and nutrients around the body, not an end in itself. We should turn ours to that purpose. Now we know that we can rotate items to or from Heaven, we should forge a secondary circuit of blood vessels between our heart and the Furnace. We can then have Ffordak work with the Administrators of our Heaven to rotate the flow through their domain before passing back to the heart to be pumped around the body. Using the blood as a medium should improve he efficiency of the transmission and absorption of the Belief the Engine generated. 

With your Blood flowing, focus on the flickers of Phonomantic energy that it contains, and use you Magnetomancy to tune it the harmonic frequency of your body to its frequency to act as an Amplifier. If he strikes you again, the resonance can tear his blow apart. 

We can eat metal. Whilst we should infuse our selves with it so that we are 10% Tungsten, as that will maximse our hardness, toughness, and eat resistance, we should simply devour the rest as fuel, if we can. 

Think back to our fight with Eisenhardt, where his mastery of Magnetomancy allowed him to fly like a Hummingbird. We are perhaps in one of the only environments that we are it where we will be able to do the same. Use our magnetomancy to attract and repel us at great strength from the surrounding tungsten, so we make incredibly fast hit and run attacks on Trollzaru. 

Do not manifest Faithfire or Faithgolems. 

PS Attempts 

Conventional Moments of Inspiration occur when someone with a lesser total soul weight must strive against someone with greater, as the pressure of the others soul forces rapid growth, or death. That explains why Jak's soul is so curiously undeveloped. As his standard opponents are soulless golems, then in has not had the opportunity to experience them, although his magical equipment would allow him to face many if he did so. This is to his advanatage, as it allows him to masquerade as being much less significant that he is. If he faces us, we could act as the unwitting catalyst for significant personal growth, which would be both good and bad for us. 

Similarly, when we put away the amplifiers for the Belief which support our soul – the Crown, Mask, and Armour, our soul strength dropped bellow Trollzaru's. Even though our soul isn't that strong, we generally are not able to gain them thanks to the boost provided by our golem body and the Engines within them. If we fight Eisenhardt in a similar naked condition, or if we possess a body of flesh to fight some of our lesser battles in, then we may be able to generate more MoI.

A yet unknown to use form of magic - Colour Magic exists. We have only seen it in action once, when Timmy used it to empower himself by leeching colour from the surrounding area. We have though, seen it's products, in the form of the various Coloured Metals and Gems, which can act as containers and focuses for Colour. Just as you can suck souls or world magic from the surroundings, you can do the same with Colour. If we study Timmy's remains carefully, we maybe able to gain hints on how to do this ourself. Alternately, this could be a natural ability of the Caged ones, and deep below the surface he leaches our colour and concentrates it in gems and metals naturaly. If that is the case Arkus may be able to learn to do the same.
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No. 287316 ID: b83150

Activate your soul-draw, and keep it active through-out the fight until Trollzaru is safely trapped by your spell matrices or until you return to normal space. You do not want to miss an opportunity because it used Chronomantic tricks to heal in time so that it has a strong enough anchor that allows it to resist your pull. Remember that it now draws souls from bodies that have been significantly damaged, so you don't actually have to wait until its connection to the body is severed.

Also, while a Goran-Trollzaru fight might be fun, it would be preferable to push him to the mage soul spell matrices: Trollzaru is quite able with Soul Magic, and Chronomancy would be a massive help (not in the least that it might allow you to simply create Pristine Souls in the manner it was meant to be done, instead of the current, somewhat inefficient method). Goran's soul might be empowered anyways, as Trollzaru's Magic Eating is likely to be lesser in strength to Goran's; i.e. the piece of Trollzaru's soul that represents, and powers, its Magic Eating would likely be pulled toward Goran, whose Magic Eating is likely to be much more prominent, and thus, the attraction of Goran's soul, resonating with the Magic Eating in Trollzaru's soul, would likely just make the Magic Eating portion of Trollzaru's soul separate itself from the rest of Trollzaru's soul, and be pulled to Goran.

...If that happens, the Goran-Trollzaru fight might still happen, as the Magic Eater Trollzaru fights to eat Goran the Magic Eater. Much more lopsided, but it might still be possible then.

For more power, maybe further empower your blood-analogue? Perhaps use Blood Magic to claim all the blood that Trollzaru spilled over the course of the fight, and pull all the blood that the cancer cells in its body is redirecting to fuel their growth toward you. (Pyromancy probably should be used to preserve the blood from the heat.) Then, strip out the Blood Iron and add it to your form; the added variety, and power from the different magics imbued in the blood from the standard Deep Spawn you make (e.g. the Soul magic it surely must have saturated its body with), should make some positive impact on your power supply.

Then, allow the left over blood, stripped of iron, to burn; not so much that nothing of use can be gained, but enough that you could harvest the Blood Carbon to alloy with the Blood Iron in your veins. That should, again, to add both power and variety from the magic saturated its blood; perhaps with the addition, you might be able to both ward against and attack Trollzaru better, through the additional familiarity of its capabilities from the blood taken from it? If that doesn't happen, then perhaps adding significant amounts of Trollzaru's Blood Iron to the blood-analogue would do so, or help with fighting it; even if it doesn't, the added power should help. (Also, I am hoping, that adding more Deep Spawn blood components to the Blood Iron would mean that World Magic would begin to be generated in the blood-analogue, allowing stronger magic through hybrid, self-amplifying, World/Blood magic.)

Another idea on improving your blood-analogue: alloying the tungsten with the blood-analogue. The tungsten contains a great deal of Chaos and Belief, and an excessive amount of heat, and so should work wonders with increasing the amount of power you have available. To actually alloy the the tungsten with the Blood Iron, the tungsten you are currently eating probably would be a good start: the natural alloying capabilities of the Soul Eden would help immensely, and maybe even automate the process for you. If not, then perhaps pulling the smallest amounts of tungsten you can (Magnetomancy, Pryomancy, and Kinitemancy should help; Magnetomancy should be obvious, Pyromancy to make it brittle enough to be ground to dust [perhaps pull all the heat into the center of the tungsten sample, while preventing any other heat form entering the sample, to produce a shell of metal you are able to extract dust from, whether by smashing it or with magic], and Kinetimancy so that each individual particle pulls itself from the whole) and inserting them into the veins you constructed (or eating it, which would probably be safer and easier) and using Magnetomancy to alloy it with the blood-analogue.

Then there is the bone, which would be a potent source of carbon to alloy your form with. But, within the bone, as you know, are stem cells; it is likely not directly currently relevant, but you might want to store some of the stem cells of Trollzaru around your body: those should be more powerful than the mortal stem cells, and you would have a ready, effectively infinite, source of organic matter when, or if, you come upon an idea of improving your form that requires organic matter.

Like, I don't know, replicating the magic-producing organs of the Sphere and Kengehxion's Followers within your own form?
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No. 287317 ID: 81f32a

It must be halluva stressful living in Mordres Soul Eden, knowing that any day it could be destroyed since the owner goes out of his way to fight powerful enemies. I wonder if we can use their desperate will for protection of Soul Eden to our advantage.


>Should I keep the fight inside the molten tungsten or try to move it?
Keep intergrating that shit. It will be certainly useful upgrade for our body.


>How can I kill something as regenerative as a Deep Spawn?
Deep spawn can be killed with attacks that hit the Soul directly. We can certainly do that with Chaos/Order shot but I advise against it. Not only would that be anti-climatic but with will lose yet another powerful soul.
What we need to do is to destroy his body, to do that we must stop his regeneration. We could do that by sticking our sable executioner through his heart and brain and mincing them to tiny pieces. Black Steel has anti-magic properties and besides that, it is coated with Lenryts Tea, we also should add a layer of coating of molten tungsten around us.

>Do I even wish to bother attempting to speak with Trollzaru?
No.
Lets savor this moment.
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No. 287319 ID: 259738

>>287316
I don't think we can control whether the Goran-Trollzaru fight happens. Not without spending a Pristine, anyways, and I don't want to spend a Pristine on that.
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No. 287396 ID: a76809
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>>287135
I thrust the Sable Executioner into the ever-flowing blood of Goran, Organic Soul Grave, Deep Spawn, Magic Eater-and I claim for my blades that power first tasted against Goran, the melding of Organic and Inorganic Soul Graves. The Black Steel writhes into an ever shifting, flowing, warping and melding mass, shrinking and growing simultaneously in an eye-bending fashion-and the internalized title of this composite ability flashes across the Soul Eden Spell Matrices, a whisper never heard, but felt.

SABLE SANGUINE STEEL SLICER

I dice and dance the blades of Chaos through the thrusting arms with ease, cutting them into naught but furry haunches of meat, immediately burning away in the intense heat, as Trollzaru-already indefatigably regenerating limbs, moves to continue his attack.

>>287138
With that third of a second I purchased, the S4 technique is rendered dormant once more, the blood sizzling out in an instant amidst our molten arena-an ability boost that can last but a second, and relies on the foes equally transient vital fluids. I need something reliable.

My left hand makes contact with Trollzaru before hany of his new bone lances connect-

Abaeloth's soul-and Abaeloth's soul, given the Dream reincarnation I faced-hum and keen in harmony, the two halves a new-greater whole lashing out-

From my fist and arm explode a mass shadowed hands, the absence of light made a permeable substance that obliterates all it touches-flesh does not dissolve so much as cease to be where they go-the molten tungsten likewise erased wherever the hands roam-

The focused attack consumes every last detectable piece of Trollzaru, completely and utterly displacing his whole body as pieces through the vast expanse of the Dream-

Trollzaru still stands before me unharmed.

And grins as his claws get within inches of me.

Chronomancy-I had forgotten that facet.

>>287139
As I dash back I pull the heat from the metal around Trollzaru, constantly rebuilding cooled solid shells about him, slowing him more and more as thousands of layers are assembled by the microsecond-

I pull all the heat, the Soul Eden's innate casting completely focused on the monumental task of working through such a temperamental material, and focus it where I put my Blood Magic towards a potent Magnetomantic working, forcibly shaping a lense in the liquid inferno we inhabit, even as the pulled heat begins to make the lense a flaring sun-

As I plunge my face into the mass, tie my Ownership as deeply to the lense as I can in one ten thousandth of a microsecond-before another familiar message traverses my vessel's spell matrices.

AMARANTHINE ANNIHILATOR

The beam cools the lense into a metal shell about my head as I feel it blasting apart Trollzaru's encased form, tungsten-wrapped gobs of yeti abomination rocketing all about in the calamitous sea we brawl in.

One half of his head remains unyielding-and from it the rest of his misshapen skull, spine, skeletone, organs, musculature, bone plate and fur all regrows in just under a full second.

...Is he a hair smaller this time? His morphic form makes it impossible to be sure, yet.... something to note, and observe, as I systematically strip life and magic away bit by bit in my onslaught.

>>287143
I once more thrust my hand forth, again catching Trollzaru before he can both regenerate and go on the offensive-keeping the momentum rolling, I cycle to a different soul within my hand's Nexus, the solid mass about my face sloughing away as it melts-while Fang-Taker's soul is tapped for his specialty. I recall the nostalgic algorithm title as it finally sees use again.

SPECTRAL GORGING ANIMA

The ghostly, demonic skull of spirit and fang screams into existence, untroubled by the molten metal, lunging with my hand towards Trollzaru, whose entire chest explodes into a counter-maw ready to eat my attack-

Fang-Taker's beast gores a path through maw and heart, ribs and spine, from breast to back without losing even the barest sliver of speed, my hand simpy continuing unimpeded through Trollzaru's chest.

The gorey hole immediately starts to close, fangs and suckers reaching for my arm, for the Immortal Genocide-

the Anime rockets about like a one-bullet storm, a maelstrom of fang and soul that feasts on the encroaching flesh with blinding speed-growing ever brighter as it does.

....I swing my arm wide, the Anime gorging a frenzied path through shoulder and arm, neck and head, a path to freedom cut at a freakish tempo, and confirm my suspicion-The Spectral Gorging Anima can absorb magical power from what it feasts on. I had fed it so little before I didn't notice-but with Trollzaru for it to dine generously from, it is blindingly obvious. I feel a need to.... incubate... from the engorged metaphysical skull, and cycle it back into storage as I look for my next method of exploiting Trollzaru's ever so slightly hesitant recovery.

>>287136
>>287146
>>287158
>>287267

I funnel a flood further of the imbued Tungsten, glutton that I am greedy for the power it holds-the power I could hold.

I feast as every magic not devoted to preserving my ruby eyes is turned to Magnetomancy, compressing the tungsten about Trollzaru from a distance, and while he pulls magic from that which touches him even while I feast more directly on it, his own very feeding cools the metal, and I slowly build about him a body tight tungsten coffin, growing to twelve feet thick at the thinnest as I finish switching a tenth of the iron content of my form for the Chaos and Belief imbued Tungsten, the alloy gaining more metallurgic strength even as its magical complexity deepens-the physical and spiritual both growing.

I begin to guide myself in a spiral about Trollzaru's prison, ever rebuilding it as he continues to rage against its mundane depths, building a current, a vortex in the molten metal, reinforcing it through magnetic field manipulation Magical signals bouncing about, connecting, rebounding, amplifying-

Belief surges through my magic, and as I pull back I bring my full magical weight down on the subterrainenean cyclone I wrought-compressing and forcefully solidifying a giant cocoon about Trollzaru.

>>287166
"Allies. Enemies. Patrons, Friends, Rivals, Colleagues, Followers. So much effort spent, devoted to each, ever growing facets of my mask. You, however...you hold a special place, shared by few. I hate you so much it practically defines a part of me. Yet as you are now, you and I can act like this, and I can finally cut loose. I can finally halt all restraint for a time. I don't need a facade with you Trollzaru-"

>>287199
>>287241
The Dirge keens behind my roar, the well-used battle demoralizer finally resurfacing like a slumbering titan, my words ringing through the metal the continues to crush and suffocate the struggling Trollzaru, even as I switch my Belief amplification to my hand-as I tap Fang-Taker's soul again, wrapping it in Belief as I draw it forth with my words.

" And for that, I can do naught but treasure this moment!"

My fist is couched like the lance of a vengeful god, as the spell algorithm title I know so well-flashes across a completely NEW equation.

SPECTRAL GORGING ANIMA
MARK 2

I turn my body Nexus to Goran's soul, pulling the magic around me in-and funneling it into my left arm and its entangled runes, the replica of Thomro's own supersonic molten punch-and around this blazing core, this arm now completely untouched by the ravaging heat around us, sprouts a ghost thrice my size, its soul phasing through my form in glimmering translucent outlines, only its monstrous fangs visible. The fangs keep going and going, coils spreading around, forever running without end, splitting and shifting, a writhing fractal of fangs.

It is this newly evolved, more spiritually agressive flesh-eating beast that I ram home through the metal prison in which Trollzaru rages.






[Roll 1D20 for effectiveness, the higher the better.]
[I will take the first FIVE d20 rolls, no more.]
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No. 287397 ID: 0750cb

rolled 7 = 7

ALL THE ROLLS
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No. 287398 ID: 903f16

rolled 20 = 20

>>287396
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No. 287399 ID: 259738

rolled 5 = 5

Rolling.
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No. 287400 ID: 76a2b7

rolled 19 = 19

Rollan
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No. 287401 ID: 5b95eb

rolled 17 = 17

Rollan as asked
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No. 287402 ID: 259738

>>287398
>>287400
>>287401
Thank you.
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No. 287406 ID: a76809

>>287397
[7/20]
My molten fist falls far short of Trollzaru, more than twenty feet separating us-a considerable distance to ask this melee construct to cross-

>>287398
[20/20]
It makes no difference whatsoever, the Anima, maddened infinite snarl of fangs, hurtles forward like a wrecking ball used to reap, surging to engulf Trollzaru's entire form, feasting on his flesh with abandon, untouched by Trollzaru's own fangs.

>>287399
[5/20]
Trollzaru's regeneration draws his demise out over a handful of seconds-in which time he becomes able to bite back-did he adapt to the Anima's purely spiritual, partly-phasic nature, just like that? ...No, he saw it before, in Mordecai's hands... either way, he begins to bite back, looking to counter-

>>287400
[19/20]
Which is ultimately a miscalculation on his part. There is no lag, end or retreat to the Anima-given a target that is not immediately consumed, it does not withdraw, ponder the situation, make a plan, grow uncertain-it does nothing but feed. With a viable target established, its onslaught has now taken on a timeless feeling, as implacable as Entropy-and Trollzaru, even now able to fight in it's realm, can't keep up, not as the Belief he ate from the surroundings dries up. He is beginning to lose in stamina-and something is keeping him from using Chronomancy to escape, else why would he still be here, but I have yet to perceive just what governs his command of the magic.

>>287401
[17/20]
He has nowehere to back out either-and faced with a foe that doesn't budge, his tactic is backfiring, with no way for him to recant. His regeneration is ever so slightly overtopped, and he is slowly, systematically, insatiably devoured over twenty nine minutes, fifteen seconds, eight hundred twenty four milliseconds before his last cell was destroyed. No Blood Iron is left, no Chaos imbued body-

Yet I still feel Trollzaru's soul deep within its prison, even as the Anima withdraws, nothing living left to feast upon.





What is my next move?
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No. 287407 ID: d4f98d

OM NOM NOM
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No. 287408 ID: 0750cb

You know how deep of a breath you took to draw in Abaeloth's first soul fragment?

WE NEED AN EVEN DEEPER ONE NOW.
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No. 287409 ID: f88f02

CRACK IT OPEN LIKE AN EGG

SUCK ON THE DELICIOUS SOUL

PARTITION A SPECIAL HELL IN YOUR AFTERLIFE JUST FOR HIM
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No. 287410 ID: 63fc62

>>287406
CONSUME EVERYTHING
DRAIN THE VOLCANO OF TUNGSTEN
CHRONAL BANDITRY THE SHELL WE'VE CREATED AROUND TROLLZARU'S SOUL AND EAT HIM FASTER THAN HE CAN ENACT ANY FORM OF ESCAPE
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No. 287411 ID: 259738

Breathe deep.
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No. 287412 ID: cbd626

>>287407
LOL yes. and if possible, attempt to hum the "nom nom nom" song...you know the one i mean!
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No. 287413 ID: 903f16

>>287406
Consume him, but be wary of any tricks he may have prepared. He may be just a soul, but it's still Trollzaru. Have that Soul magic at the ready and your wits about you when you crack open that shell.
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No. 287414 ID: f88f02

Tell Goran that his ancestral foe is arriving soon.

Allow him to prepare to eat.
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No. 287416 ID: f6360f

When we eat Trollzaru, we need to hold his soul well away from those of all other souls within us. Even with nothing else of him left, like Goran he might well still be able to devour others- and there is no reason that we should allow him the pleasure.
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No. 287425 ID: 12323e

We're going to need to man up if we want to eat this soul.

Chronal Banditry's a good idea, but Troll's chronomancy wasn't up to usual standards, ours might not be either. But this dream/chaos tungsten seems to be holding him for now.

So first we alter ourselves more towards the chaos side of the spectrum, then we reshape the tungsten shell so that it's funnelling thinner towards our Maw, then uncap the end and inhale like we're trying to suck a milkshake through a straw. And hope Troll doesn't shoot out like water escaping a cracked dam.
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No. 287429 ID: a0d5fc

>>287406
>What is my next move?
Exert Ownership of the solid tungsten coffin to prevent Trollzaru from possessing it, then use Magic Eating to suck in the surrounding Belief, and use that and the Magic Amplifier to boost your Soul Magic. In turn, use that power to increase the power of your soul drinking, to draw what remains of Trollzaru to you. As you do so, use Chronal Banditry to speed yourself up whilst slowing his soul down.
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No. 287450 ID: 6a1753

I say crystallize him first, then eat the crystal.

Also, YAY, Faith boosting FTW
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No. 287454 ID: 6a1753

Also, also, Whatever you decide to do: DO NOT USE ANY MAGIC ON HIM. He might still be able to absorb magic without a body.

So here is an "out my ass" kind of plan: PUSH the metal surrounding his soul tight so that his spirit is essentially "inhabiting" a chunk of tungsten. Then get close to his spirit, like a foot or so, using the soul grave's ability to absorb metal on contact (so no magic is used). Then crystallize the chunk of tungsten. Now troll is: dead, trapped, and eatable. If it is too big to get down the MAW, then absorb him in the corresponding spot of the soul grave where Goran is.

IS any of this idea usable?
Cuz, PS attempt:
If this DOSE work we might be able to do the same thing to the Soul mage. Like Infuse the crystal he's in with dream metal or something.

ALSO, ALSO, ALSO: PS attempt 2:
If we absorb the Soul Mage wrong, he will be able to use his powers to let the Administrator in Mordre out, or try to take control.
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No. 287455 ID: 1854db

Get back up on solid ground before we eat. Unless that'll take too much time...
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No. 287495 ID: 81f32a

While the fight between Goran and Trollzaru in Eden sounds incredibly awesome
I suggest that, if possible, we try to get Trollzarus Dream or Chronomancy powers.
Preferably dream (if possible spend PS on it)

We haven't gotten a heroic in ages.


Collect as much of tungsten as you can before Fan sends you back.
That shit is useful.
(also what kind of upgrade did we get for imbuing it?)

Also:
>"Hey, I'll even let Figment have a peak so you can get replays later. Would that make my intrusion more tolerable? Or do you think you have it as is?"

>"Let's forget our lies, our masks-and be what we are. WE ARE MONSTERS THAT FEAST ON WAR AND DEATH-LET'S GO AT IT LIKE CRAZED BEASTS!!"
>"...Yet as you are now, you and I can act like this, and I can finally cut loose. I can finally halt all restraint for a time. I don't need a facade with you Trollzaru..."

Uhhh
We might want to ask him to take out these parts here.
Wouldn't want anyone to hear those in replays or- Oh God, don't tell me The Fan is broadcasting this fight in Real Time?!


I had already made notice of this on IRC, but I think this deserves more attention.
>...and the internalized title of this composite ability flashes across the Soul Eden Spell Matrices, a whisper never heard, but felt.
>...before another familiar message traverses my vessel's spell matrices.
>I recall the nostalgic algorithm title as it finally sees use again.
>...as the spell algorithm title I know so well-flashes across a completely NEW equation.

These are weird, I don't know what this means but Mordre has never had these kind of thoughts before.
Maybe his attacks are gaining Belief power on their own too?
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No. 287538 ID: 9ea6ca

Yes do gather that Tungsten when you have a chance. If nothing else it might help improve our composite Blootz steel alloy.
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No. 287573 ID: b83150

I would still support directing Trollzaru toward the spell matrices that bind Mage Souls to powering magic; it, given the capabilities demonstrated so far, should grant us powerful Soul Magic and/or Chronomancy. If you cannot do so without overcoming Goran's pull by using a Pristine Soul, eh, just let it go; with the addition of Trollzaru, Goran should be nearing Legendary status, and perhaps give us a bonus with his Heart we integrated into the Soul Eden.

Also, perhaps, to store all the tungsten, you could separate the mass of metal and infuse the pieces (some measured in many tonnes, others just tiny bit pieces) with the Faith Infusion ability of IG, so that the pieces could be stored in the Soul Eden? The separation should function to be something like Lortoxite - powerful imbued metals falling onto the earth - and maybe your System Administrators can help with that?
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No. 287577 ID: a76809

>>287407
>>287408
>>287409
>>287410
>>287411
>>287412
>>287413
>>287414
>>287425
>>287429
I crack open the metal tomblocking it with Chronal Banditry, again noting the Soul manifestation spell title ripple along the Soul Eden's core matrices-and as it does I call out to Goran's soul, telling him of the coming feast. I feel him stir as I begin to gorge, pulling at the trapped spirit within as my Dirge keens ever louder-

A wall of sound hits me, a rhythmic wave that warps and wiggles along my form, amplifying, rebounding, intensifying-

In one hundred of a second the vibration rate exceeds the tolerance levels of my form-and keeps climbing while I belatedly try to retreat.

I avoid my core being breached, and while grievous, my limb damage is ultimately irrelevant as the regeneration kicks in and I am whole again-

As a trio of ghostly limbs wrap around the tomb's edges, Trollzaru untroubled by the tug of my heavenly forge-

And his body snaps back into existence, completely unharmed-

And this time I percieve it-his regeneration costs him nothing, but his Chronomancy-it's taken a chunk out of his soul that isn't recovering-between this and the earlier use... a twelve percent loss of energy over the fight-but he seems more innately able to consume energy than I, his energy growing oh so slightly faster than mine from passive absorption of the magic molten tungsten.

>>287450
I pour Belief into a massively expanded burst of Faithfire from my body maw, entrapping Trollzaru-

As I invert it into crystal, Ordered and still, creeping, wrapping, encasing the monstrous yeti in a brilliant tomb.

Trollzaru begins to break free before I can reach a stable position again-his strength exceeds Goran's, without a doubt-and I do not know how he accomplished that. What magics did he eat that I do not yet know of?







I have a half-second head start on my foe-what am I going to do?
How am I going to wear him down enough he does not recover without obliterating his soul?
What do I think-will he EVER regenerate the power he's losing with each Chronomantic reversion?
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No. 287580 ID: 12323e

Okay, so new plan: activate Goran's Feasting Vestments, then we kill him. With luck, Goran eating his magic away will keep him from doing the chronomantic reversion thing.

For the killing part, use magnetomancy to alter Mordre's shape. Add spikes everywhere. Then move the spikes in thin bands of rapid rotations going up the spikes, interspersed with bands rotating the other way.

Then go give Troll a hug.

Troll can probably eat some of the magic, but since it's magic affecting something else, we should be okay.

Back-up plan: see if we can transform the Hands of Hunger into different shapes beside sjust waving hands using Soul magic. Maybe even link it up to how we use Jade Soul to result in long-range Hands of Hunger attacks.
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No. 287581 ID: 0750cb

These ripples... do you think you could trigger two abilities so closely together so as they appear as one ripple? Say, Fang-Taker and Jade Soul Monks? Or maybe, as >>287580 said, Jade Soul and Hands of Hunger?
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No. 287582 ID: 81f32a

Phonomancy?

Doesn't our sword have the same ability?
We could activate it and negate the effect by reaching the appropriate frequency.
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No. 287583 ID: 9ea6ca

>Also, perhaps, to store all the tungsten, you could separate the mass of metal and infuse the pieces (some measured in many tonnes, others just tiny bit pieces) with the Faith Infusion ability of IG, so that the pieces could be stored in the Soul Eden?
Am I the only one thinking about putting a titanic Mordre shaped solid tungsten statue into our heaven?
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No. 287584 ID: 63fc62

>>287577
Well... We've got a magic eating body, a metal alloy that take absurd amounts of damage, two soul nexus casting points to work with AND a central soul to focus on. We also happen to be in a calm serene state only achievable by letting go of all the facades we've built upon until this moment- Do we qualify for OVER LIMIT YETI MURDERING NIGHTMARE TRANCE yet?
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No. 287586 ID: f6360f

Hmm. I wonder- supposedly, when we craft a Deep Spawn, their nature is imprinted us, as well as upon them. This battle would be a lot easier with Velada present... but does it really have to be?

If we focus our Belief powers on that sliver of our being which resonates with Velada, that portion of us which knows the inexorable flow of time and the slow gears ticking one second into the next, can we too act as it does? What if we go a step further, and begin to create a microcosm of Velada's form to act as a focus?

It strikes me as something well worth trying.
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No. 287587 ID: 259738

>>287586
Velada was created before we created our soul. Any power we may have gained from creating her actually would have gone to Mordecai. Same with almost all of our Deep Spawn.
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No. 287588 ID: bdd665

>>287586
unless I missread a line we are still fighting in molten metal. So lets hold off on trying to summon our deep spawn untill were in a less hostile enviroment.
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No. 287589 ID: ab04d4

>>287588
Normally I'd say that being submerged in metal is good for us, as we have more affinity for metal in general than Trollzaru. However, Trolly is now being covered by the crystal and so we must fight both tungsten degeneration of crystal and our own body- and I'm not sure it's worth the effort to remain in such an environment anymore.

I don't suppose we could just try drowning Trolly? Most magic life-preservers are based around violent trauma, so he might not have considered us just waiting for his soul to float free of his body through a relatively less traumatic death, if that makes sense.
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No. 287591 ID: 6a1753

OK, so we have established that we can "kill him". But other than shear out lasting him, we have no way to counter his time magic.

Except One.

We have had it the hole time, and I think bob even hinted at it: "Should I keep the fight inside the molten tungsten or try to move it?"

HAHA, i do hope i am right at this But i say:
Use the Antimagic crystals. Take a page out of the Magnet Mage's book (Im bad with names) and use magic to push the metal to push a shit ton of Antimagic crystals RIGHT DOWN TROLL'S 10,000 THROATS.

HIT 88MPH WITH THAT UP YOU TAIL PIPE BITCH!
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No. 287592 ID: d1bc5f
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287592

>>287591
>Anti-magic crystals.
still liking this idea.

(Present for y'all, its kinda big)
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No. 287593 ID: 259738

>>287591
Yeah, probably go with this. That stuff is basically immune to magic.
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No. 287594 ID: b83150

So Trollzaru's Chronomancy, for its Chronomantic-based regeneration anyways, is Soul-based Dream Magic. So, there should be pieces of its soul somewhere in the Dream, I think. Wonder if it ever encountered a Dreameater; it seems powerful enough to be able to fend off one, or maybe even kill it. Perhaps that is the source of its magic; you cannot see Dream yet, so that should line up nicely with your lack of knowledge on how Trollzaru is able to break through the crystal so fast.

Also, PS attempt.

From an earlier Pristine Soul deduction, it was established that Moss was attracted to Mordecai's Administrator soul, which naturally generated the World Magic Moss innately seeks, and that Moss' 'loyalty' (though not the best word, it is close enough) lies with Mordecai, not Mordre. So, a deduction naturally arising from the previous deduction would be that, if Mordre were to ever have the Administrator portion of his soul grow to eclipse the Administrator portion of Mordecai's soul, Moss, because of the greater attraction from the greater amount of World Magic Mordre's soul produces, would instead be truly loyal (insomuch in relation to its loyalty to Mordecai) to Mordre.

>>287587
Considering that there should be significant amounts of Velada's Blood Iron in the metal that forms the Soul Eden, perhaps that can be the focal point from which a simulacrum of Velada's function can be constructed? Also, considering that Velada's center is a beating clockwork heart of a hive, perhaps the metal heart of Goran that Fjordak inhabits can be modified into something like Velada's heart. If need be, perhaps the modification would have the desired effect if all the Blood Iron Velada contributed were to be cycled into the metal constructing the heart, and the existent Blood Iron there replace Velada's contributions elsewhere?
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No. 287595 ID: 1854db

Hey you know how we have an antimagic pulse ability on our IG? I am pretty sure we can use that to nullify Trollzaru's ability to use his chronomancy and phonomancy so that we can eat him. Encircle him in the SGA again so that his body is no more, then activate the IG's antimagic pulse, and swallow him up while he's dead.

Alternatively we can trap him in a tungsten tomb again, and EAT THE TOMB WHOLE. Don't crack it open this time.
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No. 287665 ID: cbd626

>>287595
not sure if eating him yet is a good idea, considering we don't know what he's going when hes inside the tungsten tomb.
I do think that using the IG here might help, though.
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No. 287684 ID: a0d5fc

Don't give Trollzaru the significance you're affording him. He's a soul mage and with dream magic, there's no way that you'll be able to eat his soul anyway, so why waste your time on something that you will never get

Repel yourself away with Magnetomancy and annihilate him with Order-Chaos shots. At least he'll be gone, even if, once again, you gain nothing from it.
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No. 287705 ID: 12323e

>>287684
I'm hoping our new dream-mercury-deep blood make-up will prevent his dream shenanigans if we can just manage to eat him.
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No. 287708 ID: 6a1753

>>287684
You forget, Mordre is a Soul mage too, tho a novice.

If we cannot defeat Troll now future powers WILL sweep Mordre away as tho it were nothing.

I am at a loss at what to do tactically, BUT if nothing else Mordre can simply out last Troll. The FAN has expected this and has given use all the time we would ever need to win.

Strategically there are only 2 outcomes to winning:
Attrition,(outlasting him)
Or
Evolve on the spot. So to all those who have any tricks to expand Mordre's form like that was used on the Soul Mage: BUST OUT SOME CRAZY IDEAS.

Here is a few:
Upgrade the IG to have a 3rd function that can dispel Individual higher lvl magics so long as it is specified WHAT it is negating.

Empower Mordre's eyes to see through Time magic, or "see" actions 2 seconds in advance.

Through use of Deep Spawn and P.S.s merge the powers of the Antimagic crystals into the Blade launcher to create saws that will act on Mordre's WILL rather than his magic and negate any magic they come in contact with.

Come on people Mordre is the the greatest weapon ever created; he has and always will make the greatest advancements in battle.

LET NONE DENY OUR GOALS.

NOW PUT SOME SOUL IN IT AND EVOLVE!
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No. 287745 ID: 5b95eb

Spam order rounds
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No. 287798 ID: a76809

>>287580
>>287581
I activate Goran's soul, the Magic Eating code Feasting Vestments just barely ahead of my left hand's Spectral Gorging Anima, as I keep my arm molten while feasting deeply. The Anima blooms around me, swelling to include Trollzaru in an instant and already beginning to feast before I move. It carves and tears at ever burning, ever regenerating flesh and bone without hesitation, glutting itself on more and more magical power-even as my own form feasts far more ravenously on the ambient Chaos and Belief.

But Trollzaru learns, adapts.

Where before he was slowly overwhelmed fighting it out, now, after breaking free by sheer mundane strength from the crystal he surges into motion, a powerful attempt to buck free and escape-that has a tinge of Chronomancy about it as his half-eaten form breaks free, jetting away from me. Without hesitation I charge the regenerating monster by riding within the infernal tungsten currents, directing their path through Magnetomancy-

>>287584
I wish I knew what mechanisms Dulu has that allows him to render a fullbody Over Limit Trance, rather than the limited, one-armed variant I can produce. Perhaps it is the morphic treatment-or one of Weinsho's workings. Either way, I reach out with what I have, the Anima wrapped, superheated and supersonic arm thrusts out, grasping at the one time yeti-

But could something else be achieved? The magic, Blood and Belief, Dream and Deep, Chaos and Soul all bound together must be capable of something. In my approach I turn my Belief infusion to my own form as I turn my own Soul magic on rewriting some of the Feasting Vestment algorithms-

[MOMENT OF INSPIRATION]

The molten tungsten no longer melts my form, as the nimbus of chromatic light about my abruptly and paradoxically shadowed body intensifies. Power surges not in my vessel's programming, or in my own soul, but in the tangible form of my host, I feel the gathering and joining of power most profound. I see even the eternally grinning Trollzaru, his face mostly regenerated, begin to frown.

Omni-Source of the Cosmos

I feel identifiers inbuilt in what was once a Soul Grave, what was once a secret of the Deep Spawn, flicker and activate, a label attached to what I now sustain through this constant saturation of external magic-This is the power of an Administrator-I recall Eldghodd's chromatic blood and eerily similar unnatural shadowing. I recall the shadows that oddly gathered about Weismahn, despite our mid-day meeting. I piece this together with the readings I get-

As the sparking emerald power about my eyes flickers and shimmers as my skull cants, its angle against the body maw and the asymmetrical flaring light, I make my best attempt at a leering at Trollzaru, as the Anima keeps getting closer, chasing ahead of my fist.

>>287591
>>287592
>>287593
[FANART BONUS]
All while I continue my heedless pursuit, I fling my magic forward, around, behind, above and below Trollzaru-and I create eddies, waves, currents of the dense fluid-and snap free sections of the surrounding, transparent antimagic crystal. Carefully, using the very trick I observed Eisenhardt using in prior bouts, I indirectly manipulate the crystal-

And send it screaming through the molten depths, each sub-sonic projectile working in tandem as a comprehensive attack net. Between the Spectral Gorging Anima and this, Trollzaru has nowhere to go.

Crystal lances by the scores ram into his burning, regenerating body, his mangled form stopped cold by the impact-and the Anima overtakes him, flowing around the crystal shards, biting into the exposed sections. In seconds he has effectively been cannibalized, a shattered husk suspended amidst a spiny pile of antimagic shards-

And I feel his soul still persisting, still existing within that husk, within that antimagic trap.

I experimentally try inhaling his soul-to no avail.






What is my next step?
How do I plan to eat Trollzaru?
Do I attempt the removal of the Antimagic Crystals?
I can feel The Fan's focus falling more heavily on our fight-do I have any questions for the second Planet Eater I have ever met?
What experiments do I wish to try while I maintain the Oni-Source of the Cosmos form manipulation?
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No. 287800 ID: 6a1753

OK, killed him, again, NOW crystal him and eat crystal while still in "soul form".

Leave Antimagic crystals, eat them, and him, all at once.

And, hell IDK, Crono Bandit the rock first then eat it.
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No. 287808 ID: cbd626

wait for him to recover, while planning some devious attack. keeping wearing down his soul into nothing
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No. 287821 ID: 1854db

A good question for The Fan would be "How do I eat this slippery bastard?" if none of the ideas we get right now work.

Don't remove the antimagic crystals. We have to keep him trapped.

An easy prediction: If we ever manage to gather enough power to maintain this form at all times, Moss will stay forever loyal to the golem. Also we'll probably be able to modify our first Deep Spawn to be attuned to us.

Can't we just use a Pristine Soul on our soulsucking ability to make it strong enough to eat Trollzaru?

Or we could just tell him it's over, to give up. He won't be erased if he lets us eat him. We don't even burn normal souls anymore!
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No. 287838 ID: d4f98d

Don't as The Fan jack shit regarding our fight.

Here's a thought, though I'm not sure if it'll work: Try activating your Feasting Vestments in using your body-heart nexus, AND your Chronal Banditry in your left hand soul nexus.

Combining the effects of the two (Magic Stealing and Time-theft) to see if you can specifically drain his store of Chronomantic energy.
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No. 287844 ID: d3dfb8

>>287838
Try connecting the two soul nexuses like you do with the jade soul techniques and activating the chronal banditry/magic eating at the same time.
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No. 287856 ID: 903f16

>>287798

>How do I plan to eat Trollzaru?
What if we could break him down before we eat him and recombine him within us after the act, like some sort of reverse digestion? I think breaking him down should be easy enough, we've know it can be done from seeing Thomro. So we just need to jury rig up a system that could let us do something similar. Now the Weapon Grave has within it the Golden Axe, a weapon tied to the concept of severence, if we direct that against Trollzaru's soul and pump belief into the Weapon Grave as we may just have something. If that works we'll have Trollzaru diced into several pieces and ready to inhale, something that should be done as soon as possible to avoid him trying to bring his pieces of together outside of us. Once he's inside we can let him form back into one soul or just feed him to Goran piece by piece if we don't want to see an epic battle between the two.

>Do I attempt the removal of the Antimagic Crystals?
No, keep those suckers in there. If they say in he can't heal his way out, he'll have to waste energy using Chronomancy.

>I can feel The Fan's focus falling more heavily on our fight-do I have any questions for the second Planet Eater I have ever met?
See any good fights lately? Do you enjoy gambling? Is there anything he finds as interesting as us on this planet, something close maybe? What is the main difference between himself and Lenryt? Is he aware of the system Lenryt has going with us? If so is there anything we could do to earn similar favors from him, beyond making a good shows for him to watch?
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No. 287858 ID: a76809

>>287800
I breath Faithfire on my foe, Inverting it into a growing shroud of Ordered crystal surrounding Trollzaru's broken form, encasing him and the antimagic shards-

>>287808
And I wait, senses alert and ready for his inevitable response.

I am not disappointed.

Within seconds cracks ripple and spread through the encasing crystal, trapped flesh surges-and pierced by antimagic shards, Trollzaru still manages to magically regenerate, beginning to break free.

I begin my strike before he's made more than a bare hint of progress, allowing him no time to think about offense.

>>287838
>>287844
My mental processing beginning to feel... irregular... I continue my string of deductive reasoning. Goran's soul powers the Soul Eden Body Nexus ability Feasting Vestments, which consumes magic-and is now capable of sustaining my Omni-Source connection. My hand Nexus can support another Soul-based ability, Chronal Banditry, which steals time from whatever I touch. As each ability is housed in a separate Nexus, both can be sustained simultaneously. My Belief infusion ability to amplify magic has established precedent at establishing connections-could I not connect these two equation sets, and create a hybrid, Chronomancy specialized type of magic eating?

I pour Belief into the space between each focal point, building a connection in the void, Magic eating and Time stealing blending at my will as my hand reaches out, the Anima long gone-

[MOMENT OF INSPIRATION!]

I make contact with Trollzaru's face just as he breaks free of the crystal.

A section of his soul, an entire network of magic pulls free at my touch, absorbed into my body-

I feel a chunk of Trollzaru's chronomancy settling into my newly established Omni-Source connection-could it be I need to gather time magics to render it permanent?

Trollzaru, stripped of half his remaining chronomancy at my touch, does not falter, hesitate, or retreat. No fear or uncertainty flits across his nightmarish visage. No, my monstrous foe presses on without a second thought, whole body morphing into a maw meant to engulf me fully-

>>287856
I pull my Weapon Grave the Edge of Infinity free from my right shoulder-mounted omni-sheathe, the weapon flickering as I switch it into the form of the Golden Axe. I take that weapon, empowered with Severence-and I dice Trollzaru's body into pieces with my supersonic, molten arm guiding each blurred strike. It takes one third of a second to dice Trollzaru into eight hundred twenty one pieces, fragments of his soul in each-

And in that time he hits me with another Phonomantic burst-that completely fails to pierce the protection of my amplified form, the Omni-Source warding off his paltry magic.

I breathe in deep, now funneling Belief into the act of consumption-as I physically draw the fragments of my foe into my maw, feasting deeply, re-assembling his soul within my belly-

In moments I have Trollzaru's soul stitched back together within my Soul Eden-

Save for one gibbet of flesh that does not regenerate-and does not burn in the molten sea we inhabit. The fragment of soul clinging to it feels... to whole, for the fragment this is, and beyond that it feels different from Trollzaru. I compare against what I assembled-I feel nothing missing from the monster's soul-

And realize that Goran is lumbering forther to face the intruding soul. A battle of spirit within my Eden?






Should I consume the last, non regenerating, irregular piece of Trollzaru before his soul clashes with Goran?
>[Pick a soul to play: Goran or Trollzaru, battling within Mordre's Soul Eden with all consumed souls looking on, the landscape subject to all inhabitants manipulation. So, who do you want to be battling in a sea of imagination?]
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No. 287860 ID: 2d106f

I wanna battle Goran as Trollzaru. We had lttle interaction with Goran and he never was our antagonist, rather one of the premen.

With Trollzaru directly on our side, whose actions made him our direct nemesis, more or less, should be way more satisfying. That and mayvbe we can continue his resaearch in the Magic Eater war hounds, if he wins. THAT should seriously strenghten our position in LoD, disposing of a possible future traitor and still having his abilities added to the side.
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No. 287861 ID: 6a1753

>>287860
As much as i dislike the yeti, i am inclined to agree with you.

Goran was and still is nothing but a savage brute.

Troll is, well, "smarter" and will serve mordre better in the long run i think. So ya i vote Troll.

Also don't eat the last bit till after the fight as it could be part of the yeti curse. wait till we get all of troll's knowledge. then act on that.
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No. 287863 ID: d3dfb8

Don't eat it yet. Study it, figure out what it is.

GORAN UP IN THIS
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No. 287865 ID: 903f16

>>287858
>Should I consume the last, non regenerating, irregular piece of Trollzaru before his soul clashes with Goran?
That's more than a little troubling. Could you tell us more about it, like how powerful it is or anything about it's composition? What does it feel like, a Deep Spawn soul perhaps? Or is it at all similar to the Caged One fragment we ate so long ago? I'm against eating it if it's another fragment of the Caged One, especially since it's probably pissed at us now. I'm leaning towards either leaving it here or keeping in our back pocket for later.

>[Pick a soul to play: Goran or Trollzaru, battling within Mordre's Soul Eden with all consumed souls looking on, the landscape subject to all inhabitants manipulation. So, who do you want to be battling in a sea of imagination?]
Goran, because he won't eat us.
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No. 287867 ID: 63fc62

>>287858
Faithfire the last shard, I have plans for it.
But that comes later when The Fan removes us from this volcanic battlefield. Now we must feast, devote all that the Omni-Source can give towards consuming the surrounding tungsten.

If a question can be asked concerning the fan: "Are you open to... Other forms of entertainment?"
We've established that Lenryt the human child had a fondness for the finer arts such as poetry and plays. What would happen if we sat the two down for a special performance enacted by ourself and our allies? Appeasing two planet gods at once seems to be a pretty sweet deal, and not only for possible boons. If we get brownie points with enough wandering human form planet gods, we could start something similar to Figment's "SAVE LUBU FROM HORRID TRAGIC DEATH" coalition. It'd be comforting to know that Zakrath would have some insurance while we dick around in space later on.
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No. 287868 ID: 5b95eb

First off, eat that irregular soulbit. Could be a part of Goran? Could be something else entirely. Eating souls has only failed us once in the past, and considering how much we do it, those are pretty safe odds.

Voting Goran.

If we do get Trollzaru, however, I vote we give him nothing but bad ideas and distractions.
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No. 287869 ID: b83150

...I have a possibly very bad idea (but, since I have found no direct way that to do so would harm Mordre's plans, I am going to suggest it anyways; of course, the lack could be just my dearth of imagination...) on what to do with that soul nonfragment: enslave it. That is, bind it to Mordre, restricting it to obey and loyally serve Mordre like how Mordre's Deep Spawn are bound. Mordre has the capability to do such - Restriction in the Deep Spawn manner, that is - and an useful servant could be gained.

As further insurance against betrayal, perhaps restricting it from being bound to anyone else but Mordre, and to serve only Mordre and who Mordre tells it to serve?

And, considering that it most likely is part of Trollzaru's body, then an effectively endless source of magic-saturated Magic Eater body parts for harvesting could be gained, if Mordre were to regenerate the body with Curatiomancy.

>>287861
That Trollzaru is smarter and more prone to, and practiced in, the usage of deceit is precisely the reason I vote to change to Goran's perspective. If Trollzaru is allowed to live and persist, then it is sure to find a way to fuck Mordre over. Goran, while detestable, is still preferable to Trollzaru's dickery.
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No. 287870 ID: d4f98d

While I'm loathe to let my guard down even a little, I would like to point out: The soul eden/Soul furnace binds an individual's soul to the grave, permanently. While I won't claim that it's impossible, I don't think we should be banking on Trollzaru managing something like that on a whim.

That said, just because we pick someone doesn't mean thats the one we keep. It's always possible we'll lose.

Voting Goran.
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No. 287871 ID: 5b95eb

Also, Mordre, see what the deep spawn in your Eden can do to assist Goran. It's going to be a fight, but we can help tip the odds.
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No. 287872 ID: 9b0a68

Voting on battling the Trollzaru as Goran, because Troll is more likely to eat Chaos Motes according to Bob. The one that lets us stick around will serve Mordre best.

PS attempt. Trollzaru gained his magic eating and organic soulgrave abilities by first taking a piece of Goran's soul, perhaps grown from a protosoul attained from his arm or just the protosoul itself, and attaching it to his own soul. This has some pretty massive implications. If we can get a piece of an enemy, probably would have to be a fresh one, we could potentially copy any abilities it has based on a modified soul onto our organic allies and potentially ourselves if we find out the exact method he used to do this.

Also, that piece of soul is the one he used, so if we can attach it to ourselves, we should be in the magic eating buisiness. Granted, we might not be able to since it could be linked to an organic form, which means that either we'd have to attach it one of our allies, or wait to use the ability until' we have an organic form.
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No. 287876 ID: bdd665

I vote for Goran, I want that yeti destroyed in every possible way
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No. 287879 ID: 1f5e4d

I guess the soul bit is something Trollzaru was using. Save it until the fight is over.

Battle as Goran. He's kind of the underdog now and Trollzaru is too treacherous to be allowed to survive.
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No. 287885 ID: 259738

Goran. Goran is a jerk, but at least he isn't a yeti.
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No. 287887 ID: ee6816

Voting to fight as Goran against Trollzaru, and to...Eat the soul bit. If it's part of Goran, it may empower him considerably.
On the other hand, Troll may take it back. 50/50 chance. I say risk that.
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No. 287893 ID: bdd665

When we killed Goran Trollzaru appeared after the fight and somehow captured a few of our soul soldiers and used them to make some sort of fake arm to replace the one he lost. This soul lump may be the remenant of the greatly changed soul soldiers.
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No. 287899 ID: 12323e

>>287860
This one. A vote for Trollzaru is a vote for change.

They're both monsters, but I prefer the monster that managed to trick both Goran and Mordre and get away with it (at least for a while), especially once he's been slaved to our soul with the Soul Eden. He's shown no doubt in evolving no matter what he has to do, whereas Goran has been sulking inside us we killed him, like a rock in our metaphorical gut.
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No. 287900 ID: f9f2b2

Voting for Goran and eating the Soul fragment.
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No. 287903 ID: 5f0943

I too will vote for Goran. CHOO CHOO! ALL ABOARD THE GORAN-TRAIN!

As for that soul fragment, study it a little closer, and try to figure out if there is anything unusual with it. Also, eat it.
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No. 287904 ID: d4f98d

Don't eat the fragment. Figure out what it is first. If we eat it, we can't undo that.
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No. 287907 ID: a6ab09

trollzaru all the way, he'd obviously give us better benefits considering how long he's lasted and how many times he's managed to survive our battles time and time again
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No. 287910 ID: cbd626

>>287904
smart idea.
as to the fragment left, i'm guessing it came from goran before.
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No. 287918 ID: 1854db

Yes, that could be a fragment of Goran, but I find it more likely that it is part of a Deep Spawn. I predict that if we put a Deep Spawn Egg into it, we'd be able to bind it to ourselves.
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No. 287939 ID: 21e57a

Regarding the fragment, inverted faith-fire. I wanna take it out and see if it keeps growing fur so we can harvest it. We can poke at it,too, but mostly I wan it so we can wipe out the yetis and still, in thousand of years, have a thriving hat business.

>>287885
I agree with this the strongest.
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No. 287953 ID: b83150

Also, Mordre, make sure to consume as much of the tungsten as possible, and render it all down for magic to further imbue the resultant energy into your body. Alternatively, use Faith Infusion to imbue as much of the tungsten with your Belief, and Ownership, and thereby make it eligible to be stored in your Soul Eden. (I am sure that the tungsten will turn out to be somewhat like falling Lortoxite meteoroids, which should make for an interesting background for the Goran/Trollzaru fight.) Devote all magic toward this purpose.

And for something completely different: as the Primary Function of the IG is using stored energy as fuel for the conversion of the target's energy into magical explosive, the destruction of life. If the IG's Primary Function were to be inverted (with some energy stored), then would you not be able to create life, or some semblance of life, as the stored energy is used to catalyze a reaction within the target that would result in the birth of life?

If the above is true, then would you not be able to create something like a Desparden Mask, if you were to infuse Belief into your mask, and then use the Inverted Primary Function of IG on your mask?
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No. 287955 ID: a76809
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>>287863
>>287865
>>287868
>>287870
>>287872
>>287876
>>287879
>>287885
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>>287900
>>287903
>>287939
I focus as intently on the remaining chunk as I can, unable to liken it to much of anything-it does not resemble proto-souls, actual souls, or the fragmented, decaying piece of a broken soul. I feel some glimmer of my own magic-the stolen Soul Soldiers-along with Goran's and dozens more all woven into some new whole-could this be a Soul Core of some sort? With too little understood I encase it in inverted Faithfire, rising to the surface and slowly flying back to the original arena floor-

As I feel a battle within.

....................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: GORAN] ....................................................................

In my spiritual kingdom, I am moved.

An encountered foe, a deceiver and traitor, a yeti that stole from me.... his is the soul I now feel entering this place. One who ate of my flesh, took my strength and magic for his own... I will not allow such a soul to simply be. There must be repercussions-for while I may not be able to reach out at Mordre yet, I am by no means beaten. This Soul Nexus is my empire, and I will grind Trollzaru's soul into dust upon it.

Reality shifts around me as I walk the floating Belief island I rule, within the Gates of Yamanatos, seeking out my prey. What is and what is not continue to flicker and switch as I leap across the island, homing in on the intruder, closer, closer.

I stand ten feet behind the hunched form of Trollzaru, his soul already solidified back into a replica of what he was in life-but does he know what it means to live in a realm shaped by one's own will?

I weave together Phonomancy and Gravimancy, encasing my right arm as I Believe my blow able to wound his nightmarish mix of Deep Spawn, Organic Soul Grave and warped yeti soul.

Trollzaru rocks forward at the impact, only now looking up from his feasting, as I now see him eating the very ground itself. His shoulder is a ruined mess-and still begins to heal as he starts to turn and rise.

I have his attention then.


Now to reclaim my honor through Trollzaru's fall.







How should I approach fighting the currently equally sized Trollzaru? [Please get specific, slugfest rules are in effect]
Given I can shape the Belief reality around me to my own will, how should I combine environmental shifting with my own attacks?
What things should I Believe as I fight?
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No. 287969 ID: 5b95eb

Believe that you can shoot laser beams that instantly destroys anything that was or is a yeti completely.
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No. 287972 ID: 259738

>>287955
Believe the ground beneath Trollzaru's feet is corrosive quicksand, and drag him under with Gravimancy.
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No. 287976 ID: 5b95eb

And hey, Goran, what was the place like before BELIEF BELIEF BELIEF? And how are you and Aboleth getting along? And Merrack the Swift, or whatever his name is.
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No. 287977 ID: 1854db

Combine Phonomancy and Gravimancy in a new way to oscillate gravity into a standing self-reinforcing wave. Part of Trollzaru will be thrust downwards while the rest thrust... uh, can you even do reverse gravity? Maybe it would just be a standing wave causing parts of trollzaru to be driven into the ground. Manipulate the standing wave so that it doesn't let him actually eat the ground. Heh.

Believe that Trollzaru cannot eat your magic.
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No. 287978 ID: 5b95eb

>>287977
> can you even do reverse gravity?

He can do whatever the fuck he wants, BELIEF BITCHES
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No. 287980 ID: 9b0a68

Weave together phonomancy and gravimancy over your arm again, but this time believe that you're punching so hard that your fist travels through time to hit him at a critical point in the future. Best to use his time getting up to plan ahead a bit, right?
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No. 287983 ID: f6360f

>>287955
Believe, above everything else, that Trollzaru will never grasp the nature of the realm in which he now finds himself. That his attentions will remain so much upon his own capabilities and yours that he does not realize the true power in this arena is within the world around you. The he will forever cling to the world he has now lost, and thus never adapt to this new existence where Belief shapes reality.
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No. 287987 ID: bdd665

>>287983
this has my total support
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No. 287988 ID: 259738

>>287983
Absolutely this.
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No. 287993 ID: f8b777

Trollzaru's eating the ground, so he's better than you at absorbing the belief inbued environment. Directing your belief at him could backfire if you're not careful as he could eat it.

Punch the ground so it cracks and crumbles, making you both fall down an ambiently lit endless void and tell Trollzaru that you will fall forever through the eden until one of you wins and Mordre's attendants retrieves you (a lie). That way you can move freely with your gravimantic skills and summon occasional obstacles like thin sharp wires crossing the void or clouds of acid as you 'fall' without cluing him in on the fact that you're the one making them appear. Then try to get in wrestling range where you can feast before he learns and adapts. Trollzaru's very good at that.

Oh and at a key point remember to tell Trollzaru that you are Cagliostro! That might shake him up.
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No. 287998 ID: 63fc62

>>287983
Agreed. To compound on that thought: Believe that Trollzaru has lost his hunger and can gorge himself no more. Not only does this weaken the fool, it is TRUE. He clung desperately to his pathetic life by taking YOUR flesh, copying YOUR ability to consume magic, thinking to make himself a superior version of YOU. Now, in this place that is commanded by YOUR belief, TAKE BACK EVERYTHING. RIP THE VERY METAPHYSICAL CONCEPTS HE STOLE FROM YOU OUT OF HIS TREACHEROUS SOUL AND FEAST.
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No. 288002 ID: 12323e

Finally, we get to play around with phonomancy/gravimancy.

>>287993
Alternatively, use your Belief-strengthened Gravimancy like so: invert local gravity in a sphere centered on Trollzaru and yourself, so that instead of gravity pushing you down to the 'ground', you are now falling up, and take this battle into the skies. Cancel out gravity once you're in the air.

"WELCOME, TROLLZARU, TO MY WORLD!"

Then change the axis of gravity again: set it so that you are falling towards Trollzaru, as though he had enough gravity to act as the ground. Deliver a righteous headbutt. Have a taste of his ever-changing flesh, imbuing your teeth with Phonomancy so that they tear into his flesh like Randy Savage snapping into a slim jim.

Delicious.
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No. 288020 ID: a76809

>>287972
>>287977
The ground beneath Trollzaru-I Believe it fluid, burning, dissolving, eating-an acid pit for my foe to sink in-one I drag him down into as I recall my skills from life, Gravimancy falling over my foe, unaffected by his magic eating because I Believe it so. My greater experience with this realm proves my advantage, as Trollzaru has no response to his simultaneous loss of footing and heavily corrosive swim-

My Gravitiy manipulation is slaved to Phonomantic magic, the vibrations synchronizing, attuning to the preexisting magic-and I begin to build an ever larger sinusoidal gravity wave, one that continues to surge ever more firecely on Trollzaru, forcing him deeper and deeper into the ground as he continues to feel pain and react as if in life to my attacks-still he does not grasp where we are, how one fights here.

The waves grow so fierce he begins to drive through the ground, breaking through bedrock with each wave peak, his soul shaking with each impact.

>>287983
>>287987
>>287988
More than anything, I believe that the fiend will learn NOTHING of this world's true nature, and how to manipulate this Belief environment.

While focused on that my Belief sags in maintaining the acid pit about Trollzaru, and he finally manages to break free of his entrapment, lunging from the burning murk at my feet even as his bones creak and snap under my quaking gravitic assault-

>>287993
I Believe my command of Phonomancy supreme, my mastery sublime, my skill flawless, and I wrap my fists in my Believed unparalleled skills-as I bring down my hands and break the world around us. The island cracks and quakes, splits and juts, falls apart around us as we both are sent into freefall-and Trollzaru is safely pushed back below me by my continued hybrid effect, the waves now collapsing his imagined chest and pulping the organs within with each crest.

As he falls, I begin to imagine wires, tight and unbreakable, anchored in space below the falling yeti. As he gets cuts apart intermittently , I speak to Trollzaru, still firmly maintaining the brunt of my focus on disBelieving him capable of puzzling out the Eden's nature.

"YOU KNOW ME AS GORAN-KNOW ME TOO AS CAGLIOSTO!"

Whatever thoughts were beginning to percolate in the yeti's devilish mind are banished at my words, carefully picked based on my observations of how Mordre tasked his own Deep Spawn to hounding him telepathically.

>>288002
Once I have built up my full momentum and Trollzaru begins to regenerate more readily from the hidden wire assaults in our fall-I Believe myself capable of inverting Trollzaru's gravity. His body pancakes, bones snapping like twigs as he rebounds sharply-

Rising into my masterful Phonomantic fist.

"WELCOME TROLLZARU, TO MY WORLD!"

I create an yetiquake center in Trollzaru's neck, his head ripping itself into disintegrating gibbets as the upper half of his torso is core out by the violent impact-

As the freakishly swift to regenerate attacks with both arms converted into those bone-diamond tipped spikes, one looping in from each side. Those are the weapons that threatened even the metal Mordre.....






What should I do?
What should I Believe, in order of importance? [A ranking would work best.]
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No. 288022 ID: 1854db

First, continue disBelieving that he will figure out the Eden.

Second, Believe that you are faster than Trollzaru. Enough to twist your body around and avoid the diamond-tipped spear arms.

Third, Believe that you can EAT HIM. So start doing it. Bite into him.
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No. 288023 ID: 259738

>>288020
Believe in order of importance:
1. Trollzaru won't figure out the Eden. This is important. If he does figure it out he will pull crazy stuff, and that is annoying. Don't let it happen.
2. Trollzaru can't eat your magic. He is made of mouths, but if he can't eat your magic, you can wreck him despite that.
3. Anything else. Mix it up. Believe you can manifest the Spectral Gorging Anima. Believe one of Eisenhardt's antimagic crystal studded rock balls into existence and huck it at him. Believe you can do Lubu's SPEAR THAT CRACKS ZAKRATH. Believe everything you punch explodes afterwards. Believe you can eat anything.
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No. 288025 ID: b83150

0. Believe that Trollzaru cannot, will not, realize the nature of the environment in which the two of you are fighting.

That is pretty much the one and only thing you have to concentrate hard on. There are others (in order of importance, your mock-magics, that it can't eat you nor your magics, the freefall, the wires), but with Trollzaru Believing you can do what you could do in life (and more that it thinks it didn't realize you could do), it provides some of the necessary Belief for you.

As for what you should do, for the spikes, Phonomancy, like what you did with Mordre, breaking the ruby eyes. To manipulate Trollzaru into contributing Belief for that, and to force it to contribute Belief to its inevitable failure, perhaps say something referencing the shattering of the ruby eyes, and mock Trollzaru for its forgetfulness?

Also, Believe that you are Gravitating all the matter Trollzaru loses into your mouth. That should prompt him into thinking that you are gaining more power, magical, knowledge into its capabilities, and the ability to cast some of its magics.
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No. 288028 ID: f6360f

>>288025
This is rather clever. This fight isn't merely a fight- it's a show, a way to manipulate Trollzaru's mind. As you firmly lock him out from learning anything of how belief works, you can simultaneously make him believe in your power.

When he believes that you will win, it will be so. Focus your efforts on displays of power which echo but exceed that which he knew you had in life- and as you fight, boast of your skill and strength, condemn him as a worthless thief who had to dilute the purity of your ability to devour all with other powers and thus never appreciated its true potential, that sort of thing. Take him apart again and again while gradually wearing down his ego and making him acknowledge you as his superior within his own mind.
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No. 288045 ID: 903f16

>>288020
>What should I do?
Cast your Phonomancy into the air, push Trollzaru back with a wave of force. Pump belief into idea you are like a specter, able to fade in and out of existence. Use this to disappear from sight and reappear behind him, unperceived and unnoticed. Once you are behind him go for a crushing blow, sandwich him with your fists that are shrouded in supreme Phonomancy and Gravimancy. Then move in for a combination, as he is recoiling from the previous blow grab his arms at the shoulders, kicking at what is left of his back and altering the effect of gravity on him to force him skyward, which should pull his arms from his sockets. As he flies through the air like a broken rag doll you should turn your mouth into the epicenter of a Gravimancy based singularity and as you feed from his abandoned parts you should change your appearance. I would suggest attempting to appear more unnatural and monstrous as you eat, something like your teacher Dorgrum.

>What should I Believe, in order of importance? [A ranking would work best.]
Primary: Trollzaru will not learn of the structure of this world, furthermore, his overall cunning will be muted here.

Secondary: You possess the traits of a Deep Spawn or are in fact one. What you said had so much effect on Trollzaru because he discovered that it was Deep Spawn who were speaking into his mind, he now believes that you are the same Deep Spawn that has been taunting him all this time. His belief that you are like him, both an Organic Soul Grave and a Deep Spawn, should already be pushing you towards this end, adding your personal belief to this should push the perception even farther into the realm of reality. This should not only aid you in the fight by giving you his regeneration, but it will cause him significant dread and aid you in your goal of having him inadvertently defeat himself with his own belief.
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No. 288049 ID: 392a0f

It's about time you start eating. Create a gravimantic vortex leading into your mouth and suck all the bone spears into it. Then you can use them to suck up the rest of Trollzaru while your body becomes immune to his attacks, having absorbed part of him.

You are the taker! You give no nourishment, you only take it! If he absorbs you it's like he's eating gelatin or useless dead skin, but every bit you savour is rich and filled with Trollzaru's spirit.
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No. 288082 ID: cbd626

1st, believe trollzaru will never understand or win this fight, as others have said.
2nd, believe away his regeneration if possible. Believe away his other abilities two, but focus primarily on stopping his regeneration.
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No. 288084 ID: a0d5fc

Even though you have the upper hand for now, Trollzaru is a tricky opponent, and should not be underestimated.

Mordre can help you if he wishes, and, in this case, the enemy of your enemy can be your friend - for today at least. Contact him, and offer to co-operate with him in future, if he will aid you now and divert a share of the souls he drinks to you to eat.
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No. 288090 ID: a76809
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My will is focused, my intent pure-I Believe Trollzaru will never become aware of this land's true nature-I know it as fact, implacably situated in the front of my mind, never wavering. From there I flit between varying focus levels of Believing myself faster than Trollzaru, and continuing to Believe myself immune to his own Magic Eating, as well as plotting out future invisible wires to cleave through my foe. Amidst my manipulation of the local Believed reality, I stay aware of how critical it is to keep Trollzaru focused on reacting like he did in the physical realm-it makes what my Belief sustains a lesser burden. The upstart remains just that, as here I am master-

My hands blur as they intercept Trollzaru's attack, already laced with Gravimancy and Phonomancy-twin yetiquakes echo out as I blast apart his arms, leaving him stumps-

That regenerate without fail, tied both to his soul and his own preexisting Belief in his regeneration-

As I duck down, again too fast for Trollzaru as I block another lunge and counter by tearing off half his upper body to vibrate so radically it dissolved, I consider how to fight such a resilient foe. This is a land of Belief. What one believes is manifest, whether one knows such will be the case or not. Trollzaru believes himself regenerative, and has eaten Deep Spawn in his time. Soul and Belief both encourage effective immortality. To crush him, I will have to strip him of those defenses-by turning his Beliefs elsewhere. And so I must speak in this land where nothing is everything, to change what illusion the yeti believes in.

"SO WEAK, YETI? MORDRE BESTED YOU, I KNOW-BUT YOU THINK YOU CAN WIN WITH SO LITTLE?"

Trollzaru sends three arms at me as he begins to grow a fourth, both of my arms emit reactive calamitous vibrations back, Phonomancy once more inspiring yetiquakes to blow apart his body-but more of him seems to survive this time. ...Has his physiology started to shift in relative densities? ...My focus still remains on that quarter second pause at my words, as I lunge in deep, jaw lunging as I snap off a gibbet of flesh, section of bone and heart in one snap, swallowing whole my prize as I continue.

"YOU ARE SOFT, FRAGILE-YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO STAND AT MY HEIGHT!"

I trade a trio of blows with Trollzaru, each time blasting apart his limbs as he sacrifices his five limbs in a massive chain before trying to leap back-

To be caught in a pile-driving mix of Phonomancy and Gravimancy, a building wave pulling him down faster and faster-

"EAT THIS, WHELP!"

I Believe a floor of Antimagic crystal below us, revealed in our viciously swift descent-as Trollzaru's soul stiffens at the implications.

Trollzaru slams into the crystal Believing it antimagic, given too little time or experience with this environment to see through the deception, a whirlwhind of shattered crystal exploding all about the impact-

With Trollzaru in the middle of it all-eating the Antimagic crystals, power swelling, soul growing, just what is he-

Perhaps a helping hand can be lent, as whatever our differences, I hate that yeti far more so than you.

The Gate, Yamanatos, flashes in the distance, impossibly large as a weight entirely beyond gravity settles about Trollzaru-who, with a confused look crossing his excuse for a face, doubles over to begin retching up his feast from his every maw, that surge in power draining away-

As I end my own descent by stomping down into Trollzaru's prone form, grinding him through several dozen yards of imagined matter. ...But what was that he was attempting to do? Hm...

I discard the idea as irrelevant as I set to feasting on Trollzaru, face-down and largely buried in what he believes antimagic crystal-that he can now no longer eat. He struggles-but his options are limited-he Believes his Chronomancy gone, and does not exercise his talents, and his attempts at Phonomancy are weak compared to my own-Gravimancy does him no good, still under the thrall of my building wave-so he tries to grow creative backmaws to fend me off. He makes a commendable effort, given the beliefs he operated under.

It does not change the fact I devour him alive, every last chunk of his spirit mine. I feel him rioting, rumbling, rampaging in my soul's 'belly'-and I simply maintain but two Beliefs-that he not realize the nature of this realm, and that he slowly be absorbed as I contain him.

Vengeance was served.

To one.


.........................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: MORDRE] .........................................................................

I cease focusing on the now completed soul-battle within, as I note that somewhere along the way, without me ever noticing, a bald, bearded elderly man in strange attire stands before me, idly twirling a cane.

"You aren't going to make me tell you who I am, right?"





What should I say or do?
What questions do I have for the one before me?
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No. 288091 ID: 5b95eb

"Nope. You like the fights?"
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No. 288092 ID: f88f02

"Of course not. I already know. Asking will accomplish nothing. It is also pointless to ask what you are - Your actions alone make this evident - and I can guess at your goals, but like Lenryt I am sure not to know the full scope of them. You appear to desire entertainment, combat, to spectate, much like figment, but you are not nearly as hesitant to intercede. I imagine immortality and drifting between the worlds can be boring. Have I entertained, Fan?"
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No. 288094 ID: 6a1753

"did i leave the gate open or are you just that good?"
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No. 288096 ID: e05def

>>288092
I like it.
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No. 288097 ID: bdd665

Our awareness is focused on a place made up almost entirely of belief.
Over 100k people belive in the mysterious old Mage Mordre
>a bald, bearded elderly man in strange attire stands before me, idly twirling a cane
Those same people belive that Mage Mordre is a very powerful mage that can control the golem.
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No. 288099 ID: 81f32a

Aight, cool, so it's Fan...

anyway, what did you get from consuming Trollzaru?
How is Gorans soul? It is not on verge of breaking out, is it?
Hmmm, if Fan is willing to answer questions without us having to pay for them, ask him what that piece of soul/flesh which was left of Trollzaru is. What can we do with it and if it is a bad idea for just eating it up.

Thank Fan for his area.
Ask him if he has any other name to go for...

Hey, maybe we can get boons from him too?
Ask if he'd like us to do anything for him.

>>288097
Eh
As soon as we eat a soul it becomes aware of what we are.
I thought we had established that long ago.
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No. 288101 ID: bdd665

>>288099
Weismahn(the other deepspawn admin) says that there are enough people in the Azelhaedran State to buy 1100 deepspawn cores for the price of 1 core per 100 live humans.

Mordre has gone to great lengths to convince these people that he is a powerful old human mage remotely controling the soul grave. We also made several state wide propaganda broadcasts through Phone. That adds up to 110,000+ people who belive Mordre the mage.

Also why would the Fan say something like this?
>"You aren't going to make me tell you who I am, right?"
He already introduced himself why would he do it a second time?
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No. 288104 ID: 5f0943

>>288101
> He already introduced himself why would he do it a second time?

Because this time he appears in a different form than when we first saw him, presumably.
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No. 288105 ID: bdd665

>>288104
and why would it do that?
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No. 288106 ID: a0d5fc

First, thanks Fan for his hospitality.

Offer Fan a deal. In return for us creating a Belief Engine for him from Scar, and permanent access to view the inside of our Eden, he aids us in upgrading our Soul Heaven so that it promotes the growth of Heroism in the stored souls. WHilst that may not be so interesting now, when we make the Domnitus Core into a Belief Engine and part of the network of Heavens then it will hopefully provide interesting entertainment for him.
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No. 288107 ID: a76809

>>288091
"No. Did you like the fights?"
"I was entertained, I admit-the dual layered fight, with Goran's own performance mirroring yours, a nice touch. I must say, a bit of a shame to see one of the Watched get put under like he did in the second fight-I understand the need to preserve the integrity of your vessel, but as a spectator the fight would have been more enjoyable had Trollzaru been allowed to feed. Still... not bad."

I realize we are now walking along the top of some massive stone arena, under a blaring sun as the aged form strides forward with energy.

"I note you did not specify if you actually know who I am."

>>288092
>>288096
"I already know. It is also pointless to ask what you are - Your actions make this evident - and I can guess at your goals, but like Lenryt I am sure to miss the full scope of them."
"Okay, you have the generalities, as you clearly and correctly label me as a Planet Eater... so, what specifics have occurred to you? Incidentally, I find it refreshing to actually have to converse, good show on that thought protective runing on your vessel."
"Thank you. You appear to desire entertainment, strife, struggle and combat, something to play audience to-much like Figment-"
"You know that one? Ah, Figment, what a strange little Dream he is-go on."
"- you are not nearly as hesitant to intercede. I imagine immortality and drifting between the worlds can be boring. Have I entertained, Fan?"
"So far, you've attracted and sustained my interest, so one could infer you acceptable."

We are now in the sand-strewn pit, gladiators dashing through us blind to our presence, their battles taking place all around as they struggle to remain alive-

"Well, you seem to have a general notion of who and what I am-but consider this-where did I get this appearance from? Would you happen to know?"

>>288094
>>288097
The aged form, the voice he's used, its difference from his host in the physical realm-could it be?

"Did I leave the Gate of Yamanatos open or are you just that good?"
"I am indeed that capable-and well done, a solid inference without having had opportunity to concretely establish if you were right before committing."
"Would that also mean taking that form makes you more capable of manipulating my golem?"
"Strictly speaking yes, but either way you would not be able to stop my attempt at influence. A somewhat strange question-why ask it?"
"Belief is still a new field to me, and I have not found any formalized teachings, so I must learn where and when I can."
"Using me for lessons? Well so long as you continue to impress I see no issue. Its not like you have a pressing need to get somewhere, being outside of time's normal flow."

>>288099
I analyze what Trollzaru's soul gave me-a seed of Chronomancy, incomplete for general casting-but I feel a connection waiting to be betwixt it any my Soul Eden itself, the Time involved in crafting Pristine Souls resonating with the knowledge-I believe that I could attempt some form of temporal manipulation now, but I know not what form it would take, and am loathe to attempt it until I have time to thoroughly question Bobobo-or even a Planet Eater. Goran's soul contains Trollzaru, gaining a boost to its magic eating abilities-but Trollzaru does not seem able to finish being absorbed-perhaps it simply needs more time.

I hold up the crystal encased chunk of irregular flesh and soul.

"What is this? I grasp its individual components, but do not have enough personal experience with them to establish what the pattern is."
"A question I would expect any but a Planet Eater to ask-it is testament to the genius of your foe. He took his own genetic heritage spell equations, those of Deep Spawn and Organic Soul Graves, and bound them with Chronomancy-which he learned on his own, I might add. With these collected self-taught skills, he made a soul anthology, a place to collect the external, first as data then after his transformation by consumption- and render it internal. ...Perhaps soul anthology is not quite correct-think of it as a journal of the soul, a place where all of Trollzaru's works were preserved, and in life those preserved works actively gave him strength. A fascinating way to protect and draw power from his research."

The world around us freezes as The Fan stops, frowning.

"I have grown overly wordy. A rephrasing: It is Trollzaru's research and the repository for what he consumed as a Magic Eater."
"So.... why are you here then-and I do mean that in the broader sense, not specifically here in this pocket dimension."
"An important distinction. I came to see your Belief Engine, the core of your Soul Eden-and I came to see what you are. I also came to do what I always do-seek out stirring entertainment. And with that thoroughly mundane question, I think I'll direct my attention elsewhere-I imagine we shall be in touch."

The world breaks around me-

I am standing in the Land of Dragons, hand still outstretched-with no Trollzaru present. Researchers are looking at me-not in shock, but in confusion. I call my armor back from the Eden, reclaiming my golden image as I realize I do not hear the runner approaching. With no one acting alarmed at the distinct lack of Trollzaru I exit the building-

There is no runner to be seen.

.....?





What should I do?
What is my next move from here?
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No. 288110 ID: 5b95eb

Check the time.
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No. 288112 ID: 259738

Go talk to Jioga, maybe? The Fan might have done something weird.
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No. 288113 ID: d4f98d

This carries the potential to be aggravating...
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No. 288114 ID: a0d5fc

>>288107
>What should I do?
Use Phohn to contact Keddic. The defensive runes on his armour mean his is most likely to have weathered any Redaction or Chronomantic manipulation unscathed. Ask him if he recalls warning me about Trollzaru's presence her in the LoD.
>What is my next move from here?
Go and meet with Figment, and describe the possibilities of the Soul Heaven to him. Perhaps he's interested in helping write a new story within it.
Afterwards, meet with Lubu and have a apar, and try out the possibilities of your fully enhanced magics when used in a more civilized way. Discuss with him whether it would be possible to take out some of the heroes in the opposing army. Explain the function of the Belief Engine to him, and try to get permission to preserve souls in the LoD, sparing them consumption by the Caged One, as you're essentially a large Ancestral Tomb now.

Then, the priority is to deal with Weinsho, once and for all. With the Soul Eden locked down against misuse when we are outside it, we should gather our soul together and leave our form, and possess the Sphere. In our new organic state, we should devour Weinsho's soul, and using our new soul mastery, bind the link to Death Belief to Domintus' furnace, before returning to our standard body. We should investigate, using Boboboo, how we could possess multiple bodies at once.

We have discovered more of the magical potentials of our physical body - we should look into further upgrading it. We should commission Gialagoraa to build us a brain of Blue Diamonds (as they're semi-conductors), linked together by Blood Copper harvested from copper blooded sea creatures. We can place this brain in a our torso, forming a great computing spine, along with nodes in the location of every soul nexus.
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No. 288118 ID: e2c1db

>.....?
Looks like a time screw to me. Probably not something the Fan did. Perhaps defeating Trollzaru deleted all his savestates... or maybe Mordre is currently holding in his hand the entirety of Trollzaru's time in the world, which would sort of fit in with the Fan's description of it.

Either way, Phohn around if anyone remembers Trollzaru - the Lorgk and the Premen, Keddic (>>288114 good thinking), and most importantly Velada (who I'd guess is entirely immune to redaction, that being a defining point of its existence). The Premen are a priority. If they don't remember him, then they'd be the easiest folks to observe and determine what the differences in the timeline are, since they interacted with Trollzaru a fair bit.

If Trollzaru's Archive is indeed all his time/interaction-with-the-world bottled up, letting it out of the stasis crystal might reintegrate it with normal time. Not sure if that would be a good idea or a bad one.

What else... well, the Paradox Knights are probably pretty antsy at this point, given that they have an idea as to what Mordre is and that he has connections to the Administrators. Ask some knowledgeable folks in the Azelhaedran State about them, see if anyone knows if they have a base of operations or something, or any other general knowledge. Bobobo would probably be able to help with that, too. Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
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No. 288120 ID: 12323e

>>288114
Do we really need to explain our Belief Engine and Soul Eden to everyone we meet?

See if with the Omni-Source you can make the trip into your own Eden. Recover our gear. Goran is getting uppity, might want to remind him he isn't the top dog yet. See why Yamanatos hates yetis (or was that us speaking?). Talk with the Administrator, see if it needs anything for the smooth running of Eden.

Also: is Goran in the Eden because it's located kinda where he's at, or are ALL our Heroics in there?

Also, think about Troll's soul journal. Gather the brain trust (Arkus, Kyorto, maybe the apprentice who can See). See if we can turn it to our own ends, or better yet, how to construct one of our own. We can already do most of what Troll used it for, but what if we could install them in our Spawn so that they can gain strength by consuming foes? Hell, Bang might like something like that (though the Wife wouldn't approve).
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No. 288121 ID: 46c430

>>288114
Sparring with Lubu and using new magics as you do so sounds like an EXTREMELY BAD IDEA.
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No. 288125 ID: 259738

>>288114
Lubu is still virtually powerless from the Timmy thing. We would most likely kill him if we fought now.

>>288118
We should try just talking to Reinhardt/Kirchesia. They apparently don't much like the Deep Spawn, but aside from the fact that they want live people for something, I don't know what the issue could be.
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No. 288129 ID: d3dfb8

Spend a pristine to incorporate the Repository into our own soul.
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No. 288131 ID: d4f98d

>>288114
Do not spar with lubu. Ever.
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No. 288132 ID: d1ce98

>>288131
I agree with this person.
Never, ever spar with Lubu.
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No. 288138 ID: b83150

Perhaps now would be a good time to claim the Leyline Geyser Ellayia found, and fortify the position?

Dealing with the missives from Castiliathen, the Mortal Coil, the Golden League, and the Mahnlea Mountains should be somewhere on the agenda. The Mortal Coil, starting the work on the 'human' golem with Arkus and Kyorto is probably a good idea. For Castiliathen, the 'informal friendship but nothing formal', and the replies for the Golden League and the Mahnlea Mountains from >>286589 sound like good ideas.

Also, I would still support implanting a Deep Spawn in Arkus' System. And the Inverted Primary Function of IG on the Golden Mask.

>>288125
Pretty sure that problem is not with the Deep Spawn, but that Mordre, a known Anathema with Deep Spawn minions whose true motives are still unknown, is dealing with Deep Spawn. Though, it is good to bring that up; Mordre should contact Reinhardt and Kirchesia and try to resolve the matter of the Order of Harmonious Discord.

>>288129
...Hm. I am not sure if I want to support this, as, if all goes well, Mordre would get all the benefits of Trollzaru's eatings, but that might exclude the inclusion of all the benefits of the Soul Eden's souls into a Soul Core. At the very least, Mordre would have to learn how to make a Soul Core, instead of learning how to add and draw power/knowledge from an existing one. If Mordre would gain all the benefits of the Soul Core independent of the Soul Eden (i.e. still benefits from it even when possessing a body other than the Soul Eden), and become able to add the knowledge and power of the souls in the Soul Eden or from other potential bodies to the Soul Core, I would support this.

Of course, eating the Soul Core should be done in a private place, probably in the Cursed Lands.

>>288134
>ask what the runner was coming to say.
To give Mordre a command, with Lubu's seal but only with Jioga's signature, to not engage Trollzaru, as The Fan said. With the noted lack of the runner's presence, and the aforethought excuse for the fight being that Mordre, masquerading as a human, did not notice the runner, downvoting this action.
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No. 288181 ID: 1854db

I think we should ask if Lubu wants to spar in order for him to gain some of his power back. If he says no, then we shall not.

Remember, we can get TWO BOONS if Lubu survives. And we may be able to kill him later... Well, anyway, I'm not sure we will even need Lubu's ability in the long run.

RIGHT NOW we need to decide on how to handle the Mortal Coil's insistence on seeing Mordre. Perhaps we can reveal that "Mage Mordre" has become partially soul bound to the golem and can no longer leave the device that connects him to it?
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No. 288182 ID: 5b95eb

>>288181
no that's stupid
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No. 288183 ID: a3e158

Voting against sparing with Lubu.

It is a bad idea and all of you for it should feel bad!
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No. 288204 ID: d4f98d

>>288181
We will very nearly never be able to kill him if we show him our abilities. Remember how his friggin power works.

I'm not saying we'll need to kill him in the future or whatever, but I'd rather not make it so that it's entirely impossible for us should the need arise.
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No. 288219 ID: 1854db

>>288204
We have abilities he cannot mimic.

I didn't say show him all our tricks, either. I am saying in the long run, it may be wise to boost him up a little now and then eat him later after we're even MORE crazy strong.
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No. 288235 ID: bdd665

Voting against sparing with Lubu
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No. 288276 ID: 903f16

>>288107
>What should I do?
We're getting our first taste of time shenanigans already? This is going to be bad depending on how this plays out, hopefully he's not removed from the time line entirely or if he is it will not effect the past or people's memories of it. Eh, only way to find out is to ask any of our temporally stable friends or find out what has changed.

>What is my next move from here?
I don't feel we should spend more time in the Land of Dragons then we need to. What we mainly need is to talk to Lubu and brief him on the changes we have made to our Soul Grave, now Soul Eden, and ask him for the all clear to use it in Land of Dragons. As an optional follow up ask him about the coalition, get specifics on who each of the members is and what are their specialties. In particular we want to know about the living legends who we could potentially knock out of the game early, that or any information about Okuga or Gyokujo. I can't recall which of them it was, but we know that Magnum Kablooie, Magnum Bang's older sister, is serving under them. We should attempt to exploit this familial connection and turn what must be one of his top agents against him. Alternatively we could ask information about the whereabouts of Angormandius. He's still alive and could be a potential thorn in our side, but we may be able to use him. Angormandius bound himself to using only one weapon, Jak has this weapon. We can offer up some of our considerable resources towards helping him find and kill Jak to him reclaim his sword, all in exchange for his loyalty to Lubu. Either way we'll save that information for later, we'll need it to start working on tipping scales for that upcoming battle in our favor. When we finish with our question and answer session have Burduko get us out of there and back home.

Once home we got to get our shiny metal ass in gear and get down to business. Check on how everything is doing. How goes the progress on creating roads? Are we finished securing the mines? Is our army outfitted? Is that inventory of all the magical items we captured in the war done yet? Is Todwick's Golem Armor still collecting rust? I know it's only been a day, but I don't think we've gotten the specifics on some of these in a while. When we're finished getting reports we can do some delegating.

Get a scribe and dictate a letter to the Mortal Coil, stalling for time. Have the same scribe pen down a letter to the Golden League and the Mahnlea Mountains, saying we would be happy to have a meeting and put in on our schedule for sometime next week. We just have one request, that the Mahnlea Mountains bring Collete the Colossus in addition to their representative. Run that last letter through Dregas and have him work out any specifics as the meeting will be trade focused, they may try to strong-arm us out of using our magical trading system or want an in so we need to have that in mind. And while we're at it we need to have him send out some troopers to secure the position of our second leyline geyser and find out how to make as much profit out of it as possible, a matter I don't think he will have much trouble with.

Grab Bobobo, pop him open, and do a search for the mage who escaped our furnace. Get him to find all mages who are skilled in Word, Dream, Aeromancy, and who have both knowledge of Chaos and Order and ties to the Disciples of Domintus across the realities. Once he finds said mage get him to give us a break down of the typical traits of the mage and the places where she would likely go to after discovering a valuable secret like our own. Then call Dompaggio using Phohn, tell him to halt his current investigation and track down this mage using our information. I would actually provide Dompaggio with an additional core to speed up this investigation process and insure our success. This is a rather important issue, if our secret gets out everything comes tumbling down.

Then find Arkus, shove a core in his system while no one is looking, and send him off to find Keddic and Bang to learn Blood magic. Arkus should be informed to ask Keddic only for the teachings he offered to Torruga. In addition to the immense boost in power he gets from this he can also learn how to make more of those Blood Togas for us, which we in turn can sell to people like say the Harksburton family for massive profits.

What we should be doing while all our minions are out is creating our Mage Mordre form. We need to be tinkering with that thing night and day to make sure it's perfect. We need Bobobo and Kyorto working on how to integrate the Soul Journal into the body or how to integrate it into ourself. Also need to work on using the information we bought regarding how to create Organic Soul Graves and make sure our body fits that design. The finishing touches of adding in all those Deep Spawn cores and the Pristine may bring us pretty low, but it's all worth it to make this thing undetectable with incredible hidden power. As for outward appearance The Fan gave us a pretty good model to work from, though I would prefer

I'm of half a mind to suggest Bang halt his training of the Dionepans, giving him the excuse that since the Mortal Coil is badgering us we'll need to move in one of our homes onto the Sphere to make the meeting. Then we can take the thing to the Cursed Lands, uproot the Duke's Palace and The Tower of The Red Gaze and plant them onto the Sphere. From there we could put our maids and cats into the thing and go for the full on masquerade. But then again this is probably something for a later time, when we have the ability to do it all at once and make it look like a real home.

Another thing we need to do is check in on Scars of Yesterday. If our previous guesses at Trollzaru being it's user were correct it should be deactivated. As soon as you can bind Scars of Yesterday to your service, I would suggest against cannibalizing him just yet. I think we should try to harvest small amounts of it's Black Steel daily by shaving off portions of it, which should be refilled by the inbuilt healing process so long as we don't take off an arm or a finger. I wouldn't imagine this technique would have any problems, but if it is have Murhyihal feed it or heal it with protometal to compensate for the lost Black Steel. In this way we could create ourselves a sort of Black Steel farm, the only limit to it being to how much protometal can be produced daily. I say we gather up this metal over the time we're working and take whatever we have collected to finish our Sable Executioner, though I suspect we will have a fair bit extra.
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No. 288277 ID: 5b95eb

Forget this Lubu stuff, this Land of Dragons for now. Go home. You've got work in the State, probably.
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No. 288284 ID: 21e57a

One suggestion we should really follow through on. We’re on a bit war of liberation in what was the DoD. Why don’t we lead from the front and march into the Disciples Land and still run the State. Get some Belief of us being a Conquering Hero and a Philosopher King.

>>288114
I like this suggestion. Just a few alterations to it and it should be perfect.

>Use Phohn to contact Keddic. The defensive runes on his armour mean his is most likely to have weathered any Redaction or Chronomantic manipulation unscathed. Ask him if he recalls warning me about Trollzaru's presence her in the LoD.

We shouldn’t need to Phohn up Keddic, as he’s the one who directed us to Dowsan’s lab. Walk back to the Skull’s training area; see if Keddic or any of the Ragegluts are about. If so, tell Keddic that the Yeti has been vanquished and that we forgive not being able to share the glory. We had hoped to, but there some ‘interference’. We can tell him about the Fan, if that’s a good idea. Make mention of the Soul Repository idea, as well.

If we can’t find Keddic there, Phohn him up and tell him such and check to see where he is and if he recalls pointing out where to find Trollzaru’s location for us and if he can’t, or felt something odd, Phohn Ulzrick to check up too.

>Go and meet with Figment, and describe the possibilities of the Soul Heaven to him. Perhaps he's interested in helping write a new story within it.

Yeah, I agree 100% with this, but instead of sparing with Lubu first, offer to fight Oz’s Students and Oz himself. Also, check up with Figment if he felt anything odd happen recently.

>Afterwards, meet with Lubu and have a spar, and try out the possibilities of your fully enhanced magics when used in a more civilized way.

We should only if he wants to. Lubu is greatly weakened after creating Timmy. And anyway, we should do this after everything we’re gonna do in the Land of the Dragon.

>Discuss with him whether it would be possible to take out some of the heroes in the opposing army. Explain the function of the Belief Engine to him, and try to get permission to preserve souls in the LoD, sparing them consumption by the Caged One, as you're essentially a large Ancestral Tomb now.

Actually, we should express our gratitude for showing us a new way and that this Gift-Horse Golem is now a Gift-Heaven Golem and we should chuckle weakly at our own joke. And that while the First Heaven of the Illustrious Personage of Jade has been gifted to a Foreigner nation so that their souls might be saved, the second Heaven is ready and willing to ready the burden of soul collector until a proper Heaven may be crafted for the Land of Dragons.

Also, ask what the runner was coming to say. Both to confirm what the Fan said, to comfirm there was a runner, and to act more ‘human’. We noticed one with our Golem and was wondering what he was going to say.

>>288129
I suggest we do this in a little bit.

>>288268
>Then find Arkus, shove a core in his system while no one is looking

If we are gonna put a core into Arkus, I suggest doing it in front of our more religious folk i.e. the Premen and the Dwellers on the Sphere. It’ll be impressive and important to all of them.

>And while we're at it we need to have him send out some troopers to secure the position of our second leyline geyser and find out how to make as much profit out of it as possible, a matter I don't think he will have much trouble with.

I don’t know if we should send troops to ‘secure’, but we should check up on ways to use it. A secret geyser seems like not a completely unwise thing to keep to ourselves.
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No. 288296 ID: 6a1753

PS attempt:
Mordecai is and was an Administrator able to place restrictions on himself; He also was known for his Soul Chaos witch gave him extreme focus into whatever field of magic his choice at the time. I believe they are one in the same. Or rather it was ALWAYS him restricting himself and that the Soul Chaos Kyorto explained is little more than a ruse to explain it without reviling his real truth of being a Deep Spawn.

From this i make these predictions:
1. If/when Mordre has full understanding of Administrator powers he will be able to duplicate the method.
2. If Mordre does this in front of Kyorto she will recognize it and make the deductive leap that Mordecai is in Mordre and take steps to empower/free Mordecai even at the expense of Mordre.
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No. 288305 ID: 259738

>>288296
Huh. If he could restrict himself and then later remove those restrictions, that would explain the Soul Chaos thing.
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No. 288306 ID: a0d5fc

Things we may want to do. Restrict the Deep Spawn in our Weapon Grave so that it only functions when under our control, and Restrict ourselves so that the Weapon Grave is the only weapon external to the body we wear that we can wield.

PS Attempt

Previously, Mordre's body was animated by the power of burning souls - and so it was easy for a Soul Mage of Mordecai's calibre to hide within him, hidden by the soul magic that filled him. Now, however, he is powered by Belief and his body is constructed of materials redolent with it. Mordecai, on the other hand, is virtually unknown to the world at large, and so is almost completely lacking in Belief. Whilst Mordecai can hide his own presence for Mordres soul senses, if Mordre examines the Belief within himself then there will be an otherwise inexplicable spot empty of absent or with much reduced Belief where the Mordesmoran prince's soul hides.

Armed with this information, Mordre will be in a much better place to deal with him
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No. 288311 ID: 5b95eb

>>288306
>Restrict ourselves so that the Weapon Grave is the only weapon external to the body we wear that we can wield.

-1.

The other one's ok though.
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No. 288313 ID: b83150

Also, were the Lightning Cleaver looted from Daobo and the unopened box looted from Balboa ever investigated? Now that there is some time, those two long-standing, hanging (plot?) threads could be resolved. Perhaps start by asking Arkus?

...And, since the cleaver is a weapon, perhaps feed it to Aehroahquia, if it isn't being used by another? Daobo wasn't very large, so I would imagine that having a small, yet powerful, weapon for any human-sized form Mordre may possess would be a good idea.

Also, with Arkus, I am rather curious what effect Fjordak's spawn would have on Arkus' magic, if any and if those spawn can exist outside of the Soul Eden. Concerning Arkus again, would taking a sample of Arkus' blood into the Soul Eden's circulatory system, using Curatiomancy to keep it fresh and whole, introduce some small amount of World magic to the system? If it does, perhaps use Curatiomancy to multiply the amount of Arkus' blood and thereby introduce more World magic to the blood system, or through the usage of Arkus' Possibility Cells? Perhaps it doesn't need to be whole blood, but just the Blood Iron? (I am really only pushing this forth because, if my memory serves well, the Blood Iron used when the system was made were Mortal Blood Iron, unempowered at all, and no improvements were made since. I am sure that more potent and magically imbued Blood Iron would only increase the benefits of the system.)

>>288276
>Todwick's Golem Armor
Yes, go check up on that. Even if the armor itself is unusable, it could be turned into something that could be useful for one, or more, of our allies.

>Arkus learning Blood Magic from Bang and Keddic
Yes, that is a good idea. As Bang is on/in the Ark, Arkus could also foster Belief in the Ever-Growing; subtly, though, as I am not sure how Bang or REotD would react to such preaching. Perhaps by commenting, almost as if to himself but with a loud enough voice that the Dionepans surrounding him can hear, about how whatever Bang is teaching him correlates to something he knows or experienced, preferably tying in to a story about Mordre's or his accomplishments?

>Turning the Sphere into one of 'Mage Mordre's' homes
Eh, at the very least, not now. I don't like the idea (particularly not the inclusion of the Tower and Palace, as they are clearly not part of the Sphere), but it could serve as a way to smack down on the Mortal Coil representative(s) if they get uppity (provided, of course, that it would not be a terrible idea, given their position(s) and ego(s), etc.).

>Scars of Yesterday
Seconding this idea.

>>288306
Seconding the Restricting Aehroahquia so that only Mordre is able to wield the weapon; dislike more restrictions on Mordre though (also, I am pretty sure that particular wording prevents us from using the Sphere as an attack vector, considering it functions as a weapon as well), so downvoting that one.
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>>288110
My internal chronometer shows no variation in the flow of time, things went as The Fan said they would, I returned to the instant I was pulled from-

Hm.

>>288112
I consider talking to Jioga, as rival he may be, but he is still a coworker-but when I ask after him, he's away with one of the imperial armies divisions. Strange-I specifically recall him being mentioned here in the capital by Keddic.

>>288113
...Time magic....

>>288114
Phohn, has Keddic asked for any messages to be communicated to me recently?
Not within the last several hours no
Ask him directly.
...Keddic replies that he feels he did tell you something, but cannot recollect what it was-and that he told me. I have no recollection of such an-
Does he remember any more?
...No, he simply has the sensation he did communicate something to you, not what it is
Ask him if the name Trollzaru means anything to him.
He says it does not
Does it mean anything to you?
I have no recollection of meeting or hearing discourse concerning an individual called Trollzaru
....What of the name Cagliostro?
Yes, I recall it, attached to psychological warfare attempts-
Who were those episodes of mental warfare waged against?
.............................I do not know. Coupled with your questioning, I presume my mind to have been tampered with-will you please confirm or deny my theory?
As of yet I can be certain of nothing-either there was a mass manipulation of memory, and a specific individual was erased from thought-or the individual was ripped free from history, pulling his own past and impact on the world with him-or it could be something else. Whatever happened, happened only a few seconds ago.
Do you have any tangible material to prove this individual existed?
I have their soul-its bound within Goran's control in my body Soul Nexus.
It is noted Goran's soul is nearly double the mass detected earlier, and contains new spell algorithms divergent from the soul's established trends
Good, you can perceive it.
Percieve what?[/i]
My proof.
[s]You have proof of this hypothetical individual?[/i]


....What?

I just pointed out what my proof was.
[u]I have no-
Recollection of that, I know-what do you remember me saying immediately before my mental comment of 'good you can perceive it.'?
I recollect your supposition of there being someone erased from memory and/or time related to the memory irregularity detected in me.
.......
Administrator?
Nothing, I am simply contemplating the ramifications of what I am learning.

>>288118
I glance once more to the piece of Trollzaru in my hand-
Phohn, what is in my left hand?
Yes, Administrator Mordre?
....I asked a question.
Concerning what, Administrator?
What I am currently holding in my left hand.
Your hand? What about it?
...I see. Nevermind Phohn, thank you.

A thought flits through my mind-could this be the sum total of Trollzaru's time in the world, either in my hand or in Goran's metaphysical belly? I can hardly claim expertise in this particular field of magic, but it seems possible... It also fits quite well with what I have done to the Archive-I encased it in Ordered crystal, separating it from the outside world, sealing it-and at the same time, Trollzaru stops registering as having ever existed. I have Phohn ask the Premen hierarchy-Lorgk, Oggroth, Ugrokk, none of them remember Trollzaru-and when I question him on his armor, he only notes it remodeled with Goran's remains recently, not Goran and Trollzaru's. When Phohn describes the gear to me, I recognize it as identical to its form before the fight-so is Lorgk's memory mistaken, or did reality alter to make its current form always wrought solely of Goran?

Twists and turns, angles and facets.

I have Burduko bring me Bobobo as I move to the Capital, perusing his files within the warded room, Arcanoworks guards stationed outside to ensure solitude as I try to puzzle out two things-just what happened, and where I could find the Paradox Knights State outpost-perhaps they would have knowledge on this subject.

It is of note that you only are learning the scope of your foe's expertise in his death-but then, the end of all things holds within it the answer to all things: It is expected

I do not reactively turn around. I connect bits of information.

-The guards outside are still alive and have not been magically interfered with-the speaker did not harm or magic them to gain entry.
-The walls are warded not just against scrying, but also against most conventional Tractomancy-short of being a Deep Spawn or a Legendary teleporter, one could not have the power to pierce such protection.
-I detect no magic items, and as yet I have seen no evidence magic items can be rendered discreet to sensory types, I presume the speaker to have come here on their own power.
-I do not detect a speaker-no soul is within the room with me.
-I DO detect a slightly elevated ambient level of magic.

"So, which Planet Eater are you then? I am afraid I know but two thus far."
The Wanderer has commented about you-and already you have attracted The Fan's interest-but wherever he goes, The Critic follows. Just as he enjoys drama and excess, living in the now-I like to look to the future. The fact the runner had never left, that Jioga got his orders in lieu of meeting Trollzaru a full day earlier than he should have-in a few small ways I made what was left of Trollzaru's existence completely vanish from the Land of Dragons-the needed followup to the Fan's antics.

The Critic now stands before me, not bothering to walk the intervening distance, simply going from there to here.

My concern is you-your secret is known by multiple followers, is known by the Paradox Knights-and at this very moment, a Small Tomb Ensconced Word mage is looking to peddle your secret to the highest bidder-your rise has been meteoric, yes-and sloppy. Beyond that, you continue to perform acts that a human manipulating a golem simply cannot do-and at some point, someone will call you on it. How are you going to keep things from spinning out of control? What is your backup plan? Or is it just to succumb to the embrace of death?





What do I say to this, the third Planet Eater I have ever met?
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> Small Tomb Ensconced Word mage is looking to peddle your secret to the highest bidder

GOD
FUCKING
DAMNIT
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No. 288332 ID: f88f02

"I shall make myself such a grand hero that they cannot displace me with ease. Failing that, I will make myself strong enough to rebutt their assaults upon my person. I intend to use Belief to make either one so. After all, it is patently absurd an Anathema would save a struggling nation and place it back on its feet, such must be the act of a kindly old man... or so I hope the public opinion follows. People believe what they want to see as true - if the truth is harsh enough, it will never take. Likewise, if the falsehood is beautiful and well-supported, well... there is that. And thank you for the free information. It shall go to use IMMEDIATELY."

Phohn up Ulzrick and tell him about this information peddler, get him investigating. NOW.
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No. 288335 ID: bdd665

>>288329
>Small Tomb Ensconced Word mage
If we are not outside of time again can we get Bobobo to locate and Id possible suspects

>coverup plan?
The basic plan(the only one I know of) was to claim that the method we used to control the soulgrave combined with repeated magical strain and the SG's soul eating function were acting to pull our (Mage Mordre's)soul into the soulgrave.
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No. 288336 ID: f88f02

>The basic plan(the only one I know of) was to claim that the method we used to control the soulgrave combined with repeated magical strain and the SG's soul eating function were acting to pull our (Mage Mordre's)soul into the soulgrave.

Add this to my little thing there.
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No. 288337 ID: 46c430

>>288331
FUCKING DREAM MAGIC
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No. 288338 ID: d4f98d

>>288335
It's the chick with the book who managed to slip our furnace when we executed that Domintus Army.
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No. 288345 ID: 5b95eb

>>288335
No that's pretty much a retarded plan. We set it up so we could go that way if we wanted to in the mountains, but it's really bad.

We do have some backups, including "Fuck these guys, I live in the mountains now.", "Nope, I'm a completely different soul grave", and probably something else, but I don't know if we should tell him. Wouldn't telling a random planet eater our secret exits be sort of sloppy?

Also, I don't remember, do we know how the Paradox Knights found out?

>>288338
Yeah. We should totally hire Ellayia to capture/just locate that small tomb or buy a meeting, so we can order/chaos explosion that word mage to nothing.

Also ask Ulzrick if he remembers Trollzaru. Did Ulzrick know before? I can't remember. See if he remembers fighting that regenerator where we met catbeard, I know he's done that.
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No. 288405 ID: 12323e

Guy's a bit of a dick. We're like three months old! Maybe once we've been at this a few eons like the Planet Eaters, we'll be a more deft hand at it.

Please, please don't pass that along to him. Actual response from Mordre at the bottom:

>>288345
Despite the runes, I assume a being like the Critic could learn what we intend. And for that matter, if a Planet Eater wants to snuff us, it can. Critic's reality-altering shenanigans could make it so we never existed, I bet.

>>288331
Didn't we already know this? Hence why Grail suggested tracking her down, above.


"The Fan and the Critic, chaos and order... sometimes I think the universe must run on symmetry. Better than running on irony as I had first supposed, at least. I do hope I do not encounter too many more of your kind, in all honesty. It is annoyingly humbling.

>>288332
"Since you asked... my contingency plan is threefold: first, (as outlined above). Regrettably, when viewed from a certain perspective, my plans are not as benign as I had planned them to be - or perhaps that is simply my original nature peeking through the facade. The second, I have the means to construct a body for myself which the unusual properties of my soul can then control, and an item I recently acquired which serves as the mobile home I have long claimed to inhabit. That plus the Wanderer backing me on my claim to genius with golemcraft should hopefully discredit at least the Word mage, though the Order of Harmonious Discord might be less easy to persuade. There is some information I possess on them that they do not wish known, but mutually-assured political destruction by outing as Anathema is not palatable, either.

"And lastly if that plan falls through, there is also the foundation I laid with my companions in the True Dragon mountains, to claim that that great working damaged my soul on a fundamental level and caused me to be sucked in, as it were. Using the loophole of it being a function of the Soul Grave and not my own Soul magic would allow me to get away with it.

"Hopefully this shall suffice when - if - the time comes. My holdings in the Land of Dragons and in the mountains would not be affected by claims of Anathema, but I would truly hate to lose my grasp on the State, and perhaps the Gialgorra islands in the bargain."
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No. 288411 ID: 259738

>>288329
How the hell is someone less than Planet Eater level going to call us on doing 'things a human manipulating a golem cannot do'? Noone has ever made a perpetual Belief Engine before, but we did. It doesn't seem like anyone could really claim to know enough to be able to say whether a human manipulating a golem could do the stuff we do. And obviously Planet Eaters are going to know. Even if they couldn't read the minds of those who do, they could figure it out anyways.
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No. 288438 ID: 1854db

I know what we might be able to do.

Learn how Trollzaru made this object that contains the world's awareness of him. We copy it. Put the awareness of Mordre=Anathema into it.

Noone will even be able to CONTEMPLATE the possiblity!

We do have a backup plan though. Become an Inorganic Lifeform. No longer Anathema, bitches. We're already halfway there... I think we just need a central nervous system.
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No. 288446 ID: 9ea6ca

Once we become alive and sentient then the whole anathema thing will become kind of moot. The problem is how to explain this distinction to other people. Especially as they still ultimately regard us as a golem.

By what scale would we be measured?

Oh and Bob, if we do end up spending another core. Please make the decision of which specific core is used retconnable. We already spent two in this fashion to staff Eden. So what I mean is we continue to manifest spawn until 3 names are left. (the least popular) And those are then struck off the list.

Acronum is still on the to-do list. And from recent discussion in the other thread it has become apparent that an "engineer" type spawn is not possible for now. That does not rule out a dedicated construction spawn based around versatility and speed. Quick example: Idoneus embodies the concept of CONSTRUCTION in the form of HARVESTING and ASSEMBLY. Dual purpose, covering both aspects of construction. HARVESTING to aid in the gathering and production of resources. Assembly for putting those materials to use.

The expiry date on our spawn is creeping closer. And due to the soul weakening effects we should begin the process as soon as possible.

Recently I hit upon the thought of force multipliers. Current examples being Sadromn and Mahklargg. We are now the head of a state army, rather than a "mercenary band". Our army is chock full of "champions" like Bang or Keddic. But what we really need now are ways to improve our army as a whole. Both to increase its strength and minimize losses.
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No. 288489 ID: 81f32a

We pretty much blew the chance to claim that The Ark is our home and that we operate from there by inviting Bang there. He probably has investigated every millimeter of it. So we can't just make a body, construct a castle/tower and tell everyone that it is our home.
I had warned against having Bang come here, but I guess it was ignored by everyone.

Thinking that since we remade our golem into Soul Eden would lessen the impact of Anathema is wishful thinking. It is not because we are a Soul Grave that we would be hunted to death, it is because we are anathema. We could have been a stone golem and that would not matter.

I think the best course of action remains to make a super-warded humanoid body (several layers of different golem-crafting techniques. you all know what I'm talking about). The wards which we'll put in it must be so powerful that save Planet Eaters no one will be able to determine that it is not a real human body. Yes, even Kaisera, even Keddic if he has blood sample.
Also, it should give off a vibe of an immortal. That will silence a lot of questions like why we can control the golem so well. The answer is that we are VERY old and powerful. I mean, Bang is a quantum computer on steroids and crack, and no one questions him, do they?
Another addition for our faux human body could be Trollzarus core. That will give us Chronomancy magic and all other shit he has learned. And besides that, it will also make it an Inorganic Soul Grave and a Magic Eater, those are very useful additions imo.
We must also use our extensive knowledge of Curatiomancy and Inorganic Soul Grave construction when making the faux body (also magic imbued blood). This is open to discussion since it can lead to Trollzaru escape, maybe we should wait few days or a cycle till Goran completely eats Trollzaru. Also, we should set up the same set of Restriction on our faux body (can only be manipulated by our soul, will only function when we inhabit it, etc). Not only will it give us a considerate power boost, it will also protect it from being possessed by other entities.
iirc, we need to spend about 1k souls for "gluing" the layers together. Since we are now a Soul Eden and our entire soul supply is heavily based on Belief, could we make this process in such a way that we can achieve an Inorganic Soul Eden?
If we need to spend a PS on this (which I am against) don't spend more than 1.

In fact, since The Critic seems to be so concerned about our facade ask him if he is willing to help us with this venture or at least give us some tips.

Also, I think it would be the best that if we claim that we came from other side of The Wall. That makes it impossible to search for our past.

>Small Tomb Ensconced Word mage is looking to peddle your secret to the highest bidder...
I guess this thing takes the first priority right now and we must put everything else on hold. I thought that woman disappeared to the Dream forever, guess I was wrong.
There are several ways we can track her down.
-Have Domapggio hold everything he's doing and set him up to tracking her down.
-Hire Ellayia again to track her down (this is very risky as she could learn our secret in process and blackmail us again)
-Plain ask The Critic if he is willing to share her location with us or give us hints.


There was one thing that we forgot to ask The Fan while we had the chance to.
From now on make a mental note to ask every Planet Eater that comes to see you what they think of our Soul Eden and if they have any tips on how to improve it (just like we asked Lenryt).
Next time we see The Fan, we should do it. For now ask The Critic what he thinks of it.
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No. 288522 ID: a0d5fc

>>288489
>I think the best course of action remains to make a super-warded humanoid body (several layers of different golem-crafting techniques. you all know what I'm talking about)
This just sounds painfully silly, so much so that I can't stand to do it. -1 vote from me.

Instead, now we can safely abandon our body, we should build ourself a fully upgraded humanoid life golem using our Curitomancy and Blood Magic and possess that. Whilst wearing that body we should meet the Mortal Coil if we have to.

Before taking that risk, we should send a message to them, expressing puzzlement. As requested, we have already met up with a representative of their organisation. If they wish to know the details that much, they can ask her to share them.

Only if they still press should we meet them in person.

We should also try spending PS to allow us to possess multiple golems at the same time. If we can, we should simultaneously occupy the humanoid life golem and the Soul Eden. After we've done that, we should absorb the Life Golem into the Sphere (which is just a big life Golem), and occupy that as our second body. There will then be several interesting options to pursue.

On that note, we managed to steal the sphere - other people will want to, particularly as it has Domintus' soul furnace installed. We should install a Deep Spawn in ti to link it to our soul, just as Ffordak does for the Soul Eden.

Oh, and a contemplation on Curiatomanct, (maybe a PS attempt). The Fan has told us that Trollzarue had genetic spell equations. Think about what that means - the equations were coded into his genetic material, his DNA. We are a master of Curiatomancy, so we should understand what that is. When cells divide or combine, the DNA performs a calculation - which may well be when genetic equations execute - if not, if a master Curiatomancer such as yourself or Bang examines the cells then they can reverse engineer the genetic spell equations, from Yetis amongst others, as you happen to have a sample.

You can also harness this functionality of DNA to create solvers for other spell equations when cells are not dividing, by designing specialist constructs to unwind and recombine the DNA. Although these may not be be faster calculations to execute, they are still amazingly powerful, as very complex equations can be solved.

This can be used to implement your life golem design. As it grows and the DNA recombines again and again, it can perform a massive cascades of spell calculations to direct the magic empowering and channelling its growth.
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No. 288523 ID: a3e158

Adding another vote for making some sort of human body for Mordre to use. Whether it's a life golem, is made up of several golem types, or is a straight up actual artificial human body.

I actually prefer that last one the most, as well as making it give off the sense of being immortal. He'd be able to act from either the golem or the body, and should one be destroyed his soul can inhabit the other until a replacement can be made.
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No. 288534 ID: 21e57a

>>288405

I like this one a lot, I have to admit. We should impress upon the Critic the fact that the only reason we haven’t started on our ‘human’ body is a lack of resources and time.

And that we’re not entirely use to acting like a human and wonder what we’ve done wrong.
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No. 288535 ID: 5b95eb

>>288405
>Despite the runes, I assume a being like the Critic could learn what we intend. And for that matter, if a Planet Eater wants to snuff us, it can. Critic's reality-altering shenanigans could make it so we never existed, I bet.

No, what I was trying to get across was that he's criticizing us for being too loose with our secrets, and then immediately asks us for some different secrets.

Ask what he thinks we've done that would be impossible for a remote golem operator to do, because as far as we know, we're the only ones to claim to have done it, and our "Nope, can't tell you how, working on it" excuse seems pretty good at hiding the specifics. And if someone pops up and says "Nope, can't do that" we can just say "Fuck you, I'm not using that method, I can do it."
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No. 288539 ID: 252e1b

The Critic can't read my mind. I shall not give up secrets to him for free, not without a promise from him that he cannot give such information to others without permission. Even Planeteaters must abide by the Restrictions they accept.
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No. 288549 ID: 9ea6ca

Is this something too big for Ulzrick to redact? Consider that Lenryt herself hired him for situations just like this. If a dream eater comes knocking we can probably fend one off.
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No. 288551 ID: bdd665

>>288539
As far as we know Lenyrt is the only restricted planet eater
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No. 288552 ID: 259738

>>288549
...We should probably give him something made of our new alloy, to help him fight off Dreameaters.
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No. 288555 ID: 903f16

>>288329
>How are you going to keep things from spinning out of control? What is your backup plan?
It doesn't seem very fair to ask this question of us, both because it's very silly given the criticism he just gave and the uneven nature of this conversation so far.If we were to ask these kinds of questions to Lenryt she would ask boons of us or just refuse. We don't really have the option to refuse because he can crush us like a gnat, but still, I think we may as well be ballsy and ask for something in return.

Now as for the questions themselves, well the followers that know our secret can be trusted because most of them are abominations just us. Those followers that aren't in the same boat as us have a high opinion of us and/or stand to gain a considerable amount from our continued existence. As for the Paradox Knights, we've proven we can handle them. When we get the time we'll follow up on them and see if we can't ingratiate our self to the leadership or if worse comes to worse, try to infiltrate it. And we were just going to go looking for that mage. Our Deep Spawn will help us learn about her and locate her, and after we route out all her safeguards and remove them we'll kill her and destroy the soul using our cannon. If people call us out on not being able to do what we do with as a golem operator, we should just point to the Candyman, a being who can kill a god by turning their souls into taffy and pulling or some other crazy shenanigans. When people like that exist, who's to say what we can do?

Our backup plans are rather extensive now that I think about it. We're working on perfecting our cover, we'll be everything we actually claimed our self to be, we'll have everything we claimed ours elf to have and much more. With that and our growing ability to use Belief we can make even the notion of us being an Anathema something to scoff at. Even if our cover falls through, our grand plan of creating the heaven network can be put towards this end. With our self as the center of the network we can probably attempt adding restrictions to it, making it contingent upon our existence. If we become the key to this entire system it becomes a very bad idea to kill us. Who wants to be responsible for destroying heaven, their chances at an afterlife, and if one knows enough, weakening the system. Should we be outed before we finish, well we have an army that doesn't care at our command and a super weapon we can use. They want to get into it with us? We will show them what we could have become originally, a destroyer, a being who will eat the damn world.

>>288489
This is good, I liked this idea, I've always liked this idea, it's getting an up vote from me.

>>288535
>>288539
I agree with these two eerily familiar posts.
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No. 288825 ID: a76809

>>288331
The Word Mage, that thieving whore! She stole my secrets, and plans to sell them!? I'll flay her soul, strip it bare and put her in a neverending nightmare-My secret is mine own, and none save my allies or those excessively more powerful than I can be allowed to retain it.

I will purge the Word Mage from this world, I will end her afterlife.

THIS, a promise to myself, without moving a single micrometer.

>>288332
" "I shall make myself such a grand hero that they cannot displace me with ease."
When that inevitably does not overcome the sheer, rabid hate this continent holds for Anathema?
Failing that, I will make myself strong enough to rebutt their assaults upon my person.
Planning on how to minimize the ramifications of failure, while an admirable move, is not acting to prevent the failure from ever happening-so, beyond public image, how do you plan to guard your secret?
I intend to use Belief to make it so. After all, it is patently absurd an Anathema would save a struggling nation and place it back on its feet, act so magnanimously and eccentrically-such must be the act of a kindly old man... or so I plan the public opinion to follow. People believe what they want to see as true - if the truth is harsh enough, it will never take. Likewise, if the falsehood is beautiful and well-supported, well... there is that."
To my understanding, you are quite new to the usage and manipulation of Belief-you intend such a complex working? While I grant that the predisposition of mortal human minds is exactly as you labelled it, and such will make you working take more firmly-but on what basis do you expect me to believe you could pull it off?[s]

>>288335
Phohn, bring Bobobo here.
[s]At once Administrator

Bobobo's shaggy furred spine cracks open with an old, yawning creak, as thin, aged writing spiders across the pages at breakneck speeds. Bobobo seeks a query-

"Well, Critic, you will find I have something of a history of rapid growth in new fields-I feel confident I can pull it off-in fact, I Believe it. Bobobo, compile a list of all Word-specialized, spell-book using female mages serving in the Domintus army, prioritizing vanguard and scouting party individuals, and use compiled data to predict most probable locations for such individuals, on the assumption the individual can escape a Soul Furnace after death."
"Processing-indexing information archives...... User Stipulation accounted for..... cross referencing...... Only one mage appears in any appreciable amount of realities with such specifications, and is known to frequent the Golden League, specifically the third, fourth and fifth Super-Land-Trader in the roving capital."
A rather banal witticism-but your observable history does speak for itself. Let us put aside that topic, as it requires you to reach the future for any determination to be made-was that all for defending your safety amongst the mortals?
"Well I have lain down some groundwork with key individuals to protray myself as an old man accidentally sucked into the Soul Eden in the True Mountains-even should people learn there is no seperate Mage Mordre, I still have grounds to argue there WAS, something that will be much harder to disprove-and again, tap into the previously mentioned thought patterns of mortals, by providing them something more palatable to believe."
>>288345
>>288489
Phohn, have Arkus call that assassin Ellayia, and explain to her my target, a one-time Domintus Word Mage with Soul magic capabilities or resistances, currently housed in a Small Tomb. If she can slay the soul before I do, I will let her name her own price-within reason. But if I kill the target first, she gets nothing. Explain to Arkus to phrase it as an offer, not a request. Next tell Dompaggio to drop all other duties and focus on the mage I am actively bringing to the front of my thoughts for scanning. Then ask Ulzrick if the name 'Trollzaru' means anything to him.
Conveyed, conveyed... and Ulzrick says the name is not known to him specifically, but he comments he did know him in other realities,-his thoughts go on to become highly complex and difficult to percieve-they resolve, and he ends by commenting he apparantly should know the name, with background thoughts stipulating that the beast fought in the state Outpost was a spawn of this foe-something the primary thoughts do not seem to notice
Ah, an exemplary work-around for the problem-he keeps the memories even in the face of the rewrite, by making them indirect. Thank him for his commentary Phohn-that is all.

The Critic speaks agaon.
So.... was that all?
"The Fan and the Critic, chaos and order... sometimes I think the universe must run on symmetry. Better than running on irony as I had first supposed, at least. I do hope I do not encounter too many more of your kind, in all honesty. It is annoyingly humbling."
Your frank commentary is noted-and yes, there is something that seeks balance to existence-something that is irrelevant to my question.
"Well if all the above mentioned preventatives are insufficient, I am in the process of building a faux-body, one decidedly human and aged-but designed to register as no more than Immortal-something there are no laws concerning. While it is not ready yet, barring major incident in the immediate future the body will be available and thus make my cover far easier to maintain. I also stand a reasonable chance of having my holdings in the Land of Dragons surviving as well as those in the northern mountains."
So what if something DOES happen in the immediate future?
>>288522
"I am prepared to craft a Life Golem with my Curatiomancy ability coupled with Blood magic. While not something that could necessarily pass a thorough inspection, I could, on short notice, craft a visually human body, if absolutely necessary."
And is that all?
>>288535
"All that I will tell you currently."
Excuse me?
"Is it not counter-intuitive to the premise of keeping my secret to continue discussing my every method of protection? Are not some portions, by virtue of their function, only viable if I am the sole individual aware of it?"
FINALLY, you get the point of this-YES, you are exactly right. Still-what you DID tell me of needs improvement, if you really expect yourself to exist peaceably with the mortals without grinding them under your thumb. .....Well, I have taken my turn in meeting you-I know not when the others will stop by, or how many will. And so-

The Critic vanishes as if he never existed in the first place-a strange concept, but one his method of disappearance veritably shoved into my mind-and I know not why, or how.

>>288552
I begin funneling Dreameater Blood Iron into the empty central chamber of my Ruin Revolver, plying my entropy-defying regeneration to multiply my current stockpile, building a solid core of the material-to later use for alloying Ulzrick's weapons with.

So I find myself in a room, alone save for Bobobo, with a clue, a direction to go for seeking out the Word mage I now must hunt. While Doing so, I must also continue to regularly take part in the council meetings in the State-given how I came to power, consistent absence could damn me, no matter how much public support I have right now.






So what is my next move?
>[Gelrick 17] -ubed root of the... hey it worked! Hey Voices, dunno what you're doing but you might want to stop in with Ulzrick again. Stuff's going down.
[SHOULD PLAY SWITCH TO ULZRICK?]
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No. 288830 ID: bdd665

While I would really like to hangout with Mordre longer if the Ricks felt whatever was going on was important enough to contact us we should probably have a look.
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No. 288838 ID: 53b4bb

Mordre should go home and work on that super-fakebody-golem of his, and attend meetings. We can handle helping with Ulzrick.

Hey Ulzrick, Mordre's got a gob of blood iron he'll be giving you soon to upgrade your weapons. He's a pretty cool boss, right? So what's going on now, and is it something you can't redact or smash out of the way?
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No. 288846 ID: d4f98d

>>288838

SHH No, let it be a surprise!

Suffice to say, Mordre may have a pretty wicked gift for yah, soon enough. A 'thank you' for your efforts and candidness, so to speak.

Now, whats the problem.
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No. 288847 ID: b9242f

Maybe Mordre could talk Arkus into taking on a Core while we're gone? Say, one that embodies the concept of CAGES, of BLOOD and ENERGY?

>[Gelrick 17] -ubed root of the... hey it worked! Hey Voices, dunno what you're doing but you might want to stop in with Ulzrick again. Stuff's going down.
Then off we go.

Though, quick question for Gelrick 17: what the crap was that? Did you just use mathematics to track us down somewhere in the universe without having any idea where we are? Does that mean mathematics really does rule the macroverse and not words? Be straight with me. Are spell matrices just manipulating quantum mathematics on a macroscale, or am I going crazy again?

... I mean... so, what's up with Ulzrick? Meeting resistance from Golden Leaguers?
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No. 288857 ID: f88f02

'Sup, Collective.
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No. 288858 ID: 5b95eb

Eat some of that Dreameater blood iron yourself to up the concentration in your alloy. Also, cut off a black steel ribbon, heal yourself, and then eat the black steel.

Also, Physically check in on Ulzrick, if you can get to him through Burduko.

[Stay with Mordre if he goes to Ulzrick, switch out otherwise.]
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No. 288922 ID: 81f32a

yeah, switch to Ulzrick. Must be important if they are contacting us.

Before switching though, have Burduko deliver the Dreameater blood iron to Ulzrick .... maybe about 50-100 pounds or so? It's not like it strains you or anything. Sending so much of it so that he can experiment and has enough leftover material of he messes up. He might even try to make other stuff out of it, for example necklaces, rings (like Eisenhardt had), etc... This will be great for expanding his skill at Arcane Magnetomancy.
Then build up a stockpile for yourself and put it in Omni-Sheath.

Also, instead of keeping your sword in shoulder-sheath wouldn't it be better to store it inside the Soul Eden? I'm not sure what the effects will be for keeping other stuff there but I can't see how it will be bad to put our equipment.
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No. 288940 ID: 21e57a

>So what is my next move?

We hunt. We hunt that mage. She is an enemy of the state who, having read our mind via our Golem with dream magic knows far too much about the State, our Papers, and our safe-guarded method of Golem Control. She will die.

However, we need to start crafting our body and attending the meetings. We cannot do all three at once, so we must develop a plan. We will use Phohn to be alerted of when the meetings will be, and we will take Burduko with us so he can warp us back for meetings. Discuss this with Dregas to be sure, first.
When we do come back, after a meeting, we shall immediately get to work on crafting part of the Matruska Golem.

Pristine attempt: A Planet Eater occurs when a Planet goes Magic Nova. A Planet Eater goes Nova when a solar system goes Nova and the strongest Planet Eater devours its ‘siblings’. A System Eater goes Nova when an entire galaxy has a MagiNova and the strongest Planet Eater devours all the other Planet Eats and System Eaters. And, as we’ve already attracted three, we may have to deal with a System or a Galaxy Eater in the not too distant future, attracted by so many strong Planet Eaters.


[SHOULD PLAY SWITCH TO ULZRICK? YES
HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET THIS NUMBER, 17? HOW THE HELL! Right, we’re coming, just the square root of what? And what’s going on, Ulzrick said something about Spawn or something, what are we gonna hit down in?]
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No. 288971 ID: 6a1753

Leave Mordre to work on the state, concentrate on ideas, possibilitys, and methods of/with the golden league. This way we Kill 2 birds with one swing, consolidate options for the State debt, and learn about the possible locations of the word Mage and who she would sell the secret to.

Shift HO CPAPIN
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No. 289002 ID: bdd665

Priority #1 for Mordre, find and kill that Word mage.
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No. 289027 ID: b83150

I still like the idea of looking into what was in box Balboa had, and finding what the Lightning Cleaver did (and then feeding it to Aehroahquia). Also, implant a Deep Spawn into Arkus' System; it has the benefits of empowering Arkus, which would make the golem-body stronger as Arkus would have more power to use to enhance the golem, and further binding Arkus to Mordre, as Mordre could then command the Deep Spawn to not allow Arkus access to the personal System World magic. Make some time with Bobobo to find out what exactly was that feeling of resonance between the Chronomancy stolen from Trollzaru and the Time in the Soul Eden was.
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No. 289036 ID: d4f98d

>>288922
By sheath, it means the Omni-Sheath. It stores weapon-concept object within a pocket dimesnion.
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No. 289057 ID: a76809

>>288830
>>288838
>>288846
>>288847
>>288858
>>288922
I make note of the tasks I shall pursue-first and formost, hunting down and exterminating the Word Mage before my secret is spread, crafting a 'Mage Mordre' body, collecting enough pure Dream Eater Blood Iron to recast Ulzrick's weapons, continuing to run the Azelhaedran State-to this list I add revisiting the ever-locked box claimed from Balboa the Butcher, and the analysis of the Lightning Cleaver confiscated from Daobu's corpse so long ago.

Oh, and if I can convince Arkus to let me implant a monstrous, immortal being subservient to my will alone into his blood-well that would wrap everything up for now.

...The list is long, and gives me some appreciation for how overworked I frequently leave Arkus-but all of it is vital, and all of it WILL be done.

I have work to do.

>[CHAOS MOTE WILL MANIFEST: FORCED PERSPECTIVE SHIFT]

.............................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: ULZRICK] .............................................................................
>>288857
>[O]What's up, Collective?
>[Gelrick 17] Strictly speaking we aren't a Collective as that is only a term for the total infinite set of Ulzricks, which we are currently cut off fr-
>[Gelrick 13] Not the point-your plan worked? The voices are here?
>Yes.... the Chaos Motes.
>Are you sure that's what they are?
>[Gelrick 18] It seems somewhat certain, as they definitely are NOT Order Motes.
>Yeah, Order and these voices... just don't mix. So, process of elimination, all that, yada yada-
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
>Gah!
>[Gelrick 12] Oh!
>Wait Gelrick's idea worked? ...Later, later.


OKAY-so, here's the situation-we're in the Domintus lands, specifically my troop-which is myself, the Edge Purists, and a squad of Air Cavalry-occupy a Domintus stronghold, which, based on the records therein, has been managing some eight separate villages and a considerable amount of farmland. Not much resistance taking the stronghold-a few hundred Domintus soldiers, nothing special-but really where we are is only tangetially related to the issue.
>Why not get to the point, you know the Voices have attention span issues.
Fine. Okay. I've been keeping an eye on Dolrick-and keeping my distance, beyond required professional interactions-and he just up and disappeared after reading a sheet of paper.
>When he says disappeared, he really means it-guy vanished into thin air while actively being observed-
>[Gelrick 08 right after turning white as a sheet.]
DID I OR DID I NOT TELL YOU TO SHUT UP!?
>Fuck, fine.
So, in his vanishing act he damaged the paper-and I cannot Redact it into a whole form-but what I can still read is REALLY troubling-it starts with a description of Chaos Motes... which REALLY sounds like you guys.... and THEN, right above a burned section, a new heading, ORDER Motes, is visible. Now, I don't know where Dolrick found this paper. No one, not a one, found anything else remotely related to this topic-here, I'll just read what is legible verbatim, maybe you can make sense of this as it concerns you:

'Chaos Motes: While incapable of directly interfacing with reality Chaos motes are essentially sapient cosmic radiation emanating from the core of the multiverse, and span all times and places through their Chaotic passive propagation. Only those who can Dream can directly recognize their presence, but this recognition, by providing concrete quantification to said motes, reduces their effective influence even while making them seem perceptually more present. Ultimately not dangerous-unless made to interact with Order Motes.

Order Motes: The antithesis of Chaos Motes, Ord-'

And that's quite literally everything legible.

So, what about this could make someone like Dolrick lose that smug, perfect calm, and blatantly use his power in front of the rest of the Edge Purists? Just what is going on?
>Also Ulzrick is pissed at us because he thinks we distracted him from stopping Dolrick from fleeing-
>[Gelrick 01] We did-our thoughts require his mind to be expressed, and every thought we have is one he cannot have on his own during that time.







So-what should I do with the last few hours before midnight?
What should I do tomorrow?
>[Gelrick 07] And what is up with this whole Trollzaru thing?
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No. 289061 ID: 63fc62

>>289057
Let me guess, the disciples- More importantly Domintus and the Pure Lady, had a backup plan in case of failing to crush the state and make their god soul a reality. An omnicidal chaos-order reaction by forcing the respective motes of each type collide. Basically, one last big FUCK YOU to everything in every state of existance or non-existance.
Dolrick is shitting himself because he cannot achive his ultimate goal if everything ceases to be.
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No. 289063 ID: bdd665

>>289057
If the thought of order-chaos mote interaction has Dolrick so jumpy, then it probably means that theres a half decent chance of it happening. Considering the other examples of order chaos interaction that we know of, Us meeting our Order based counterparts might destroy...I am uncertain how much so lets just call it too much.

Also a possible reason for Dolricks sudden departure may be that he did not consider the effect of the order motes when he did whatever the hell he did and he is scrambleing to avoid the fallout.
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No. 289064 ID: f88f02

>Strictly speaking we aren't a Collective as that is only a term for the total infinite set of Ulzricks, which we are currently cut off fr-

What.
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No. 289066 ID: 6834bc

>>289057
Well, our intermediary says we're Chaos Motes, so we must be.

All I could tell you about Order Motes is that they're probably exactly opposite of us, complete douchebags, and if we were to ever meet it would probably end violently. Like, explosively.

You remember Mordre's shiny cannon, what with the two barrels and all? One fires Order-aligned shots, the other Chaos-aligned? And when the bullets hit, massive explosion. Think that, but with motes. Whatever god you believe in, only that might know just how bad an Order/Chaos Motesplosion would be. For all we know, it could unravel all realities that ever existed. Or I guess it could be as insignificant as a tiny bug biting you.
Regardless, if Mr. Smug I-basically-know-everything-ever Dolrick flipped out, this is a bad situation™. Sorry I can't help more.

Oh, right. Trollzaru. Uh, he was a magic-eating Yeti who tried to manipulate Mordre some time ago, and well, basically, he became a giant pain in the ass who couldn't be trusted and was the poster-boy/number one reason for the yeti genocide movement.
Mordre killed the hell out of him, ate him, and there's a bit of his soul left that somehow turned into the entire sum of his existence. Mordre crystallized it, and suddenly nobody remembers his existence directly. It's like he never actually existed in the first place. Time shenanigans, fucking chronomancy.

Is that too much information? I hope it's not. You can call me Mr. Talks-Too-Much if it is.
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No. 289075 ID: a76809

>>289064
[After the Aneurysm trip into the heart of the Collective, wherein the First was obtained (Italic text dude), the rest of the members of the Collective to have reached that core walled him off-he will have to re-establish the connection himself, as a means of proving himself safe enough to even be 'allowed', as a particular facet of the Ulzrick whole, into its nexus. So yes, Ulzrick is cut off from the Collective, and has been for some time.]
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No. 289078 ID: f6360f

>>[Gelrick 01] We did-our thoughts require his mind to be expressed, and every thought we have is one he cannot have on his own during that time.
Y'all should really talk to Bang when you get the chance. Actually, go out of your way to make a chance to talk to him. The man can literally do millions of complex mathematical equations simultaneously in his head. Or in, y'know, wherever he's storing his brains these days, since they've kind of dispersed as compared to the human standard. Point is! He might be able to give you advice on how to think way faster in parallel with yourself, which could be highly relevant to your interests. Might require branching out into another field of magic but hey, 'rick and diversification go pretty well together.

>>289066
>All I could tell you about Order Motes is that they're probably exactly opposite of us, complete douchebags
But that's inherently contradictory- if they were exactly opposite of us, they'd be charismatic and likable!

Ha. Ha. I crack myself up and don't even need good jokes to do it.
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No. 289082 ID: 6a1753

STATUS REPORT!
On, well, everything: You, Your troops, your training, your troops training, supplys, ammo, your brother, your overall sanity, flexrick, and anything else important.
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No. 289088 ID: 69bee4

Let me start by saying, Ulzrick, you need to trust your other selves. They are as trustworthy on some existential levels as well... you. I really doubt they wanted to mess you up, unless you have good reason to suspect otherwise.

Gelrick 17, commendable work finding us; however, with this as an issue, and math not being my strong suit, I am going to have to make a request.

We do not know anything about Order motes, but it's likely they are reasoning just like we are. Could you try doing whatever equation worked on our end, and I would suggest either the inverse of the whole equation or the negative results -should- get you in contact with our particular Chaos Motes anti-selves. I suspect there are more motes than us, but its a start at least.

If your willing to work go-between, since we obviously cannot risk inviting them here to chat with us, considering what that note says. We may be able to open a line of communication. Hopefully both sides are not fond of the concept of annihilation of both self and universe, and we can find a way to belay this from happening.
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No. 289090 ID: 5b95eb

Order motes are dicks. Dolrick's a dick too. I'm sure they'll get along fine.

What exactly did you need us for?
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No. 289093 ID: bbd32e

So, there's a downside to having 20 entities sharing the same brain after all. Who would have seen a thing like that coming?

You could always try and Dream up bodies for the Gelricks to inhabit.

>>289088
By that logic, he should trust Dolrick.

>>289082
Mostly, I just want to know if he got that lesson on fighting Dreameaters from Lenryt. Because you never know when that'll come in handy.

Oh, yes, and one more: what's the situation on the ground here, Ulster? How many other groups do we have inserted into Domintus Lands, and can you communicate to appraise them of your find? Just a simple "Heads up for info on something called 'Order motes'."

>>289078
Worst case scenario, he'll have to start thinking like Bang to do it. So while we might think having more Bang around would be awesome, Ulzrick might not be so thrilled.

Anyway, can't we meet in the middle and call ourselves charismatic douchebags?

Well, now. What do you make of Dolrick up and leaving? Do we follow his lead and decamp at all possible haste, do we cover for him (he is nominally on our side. At the moment. Until the inevitable backstab, of course.) or do we push on? Either way, I don't recommend staying. Just in case.
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No. 289095 ID: a9629e

>>289078
Or hell, after taking a bite out of you he might be able to make those sorts of alterations to you himself. He's normally not too good at working with other people, but I think that comes mainly from not knowing their body as well as he knows his own, which I think he can solve by eating things. That'd be hella helpful. Maybe ask Mordre if Burduko could send him over real quick for that. Might want to try and negoiate it with Bang first though. Be sure to use his full name, Magnum Bang The Human Dynamo, Annihilator Of Armies, Smasher Of Sieges, Cracker Of Castles if you do that though.
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No. 289099 ID: cdca9d

>>289066
>>289093
The opposite of chaos is order, so these motes are the exact opposite of us. We can interact with individuals, but not force events, or things to change. We can only instill ideas. Therefore, is it acceptable that these order motes might be considered, by some, as gods? They would be able to change the world directly to whatever they want, yet not be able to instill thoughts and ideas. hmm...
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No. 289101 ID: b5a2ea

Hmm. I make an offhanded remark yesterday on the idea of Order Motes in Domintus's Core [in the discussion, http://quest.lv/kusaba/questdis/res/342978.html#343413 ] and suddenly we have a mystery to solve involving them. Interesting. Could be coincidence, but then again...

Actually, wait, someone else speculated on them too [back in thread 12 >>277018 (yay, firefox search)]... Huh. Looks like that's it for Order Mote mentions, though. Still seems like suspicious timing.

I wonder if Order Motes are like the shadows of Chaos Motes, doing what we never did or something... well, what you guys never did, I wasn't around back then. But it was said somewhere in one of the discussion threads (yes, I read em) that his original idea for the adventure was a bit more doom-and-gloom, the eventual result consuming all intelligent life on the planet and leaving a dead world. Everything went in an opposite direction when it was decided to keep Arkus alive and go north instead of south. Then the HAM started, obviously. That sounds like pretty Chaosy behaviour to me, so maybe Domintus is what could have been if things had been more predictable... or Orderly.

Or maybe not. Paranoid speculation, huzzah!
Back on topic:

Hey, Ulzrick, first time no meet. I'll leave the more grounded voices to suggest actions, but I did want to ask: Are there female versions of you in the Collective? Not trying to set you up with yourself or anything, that would be incredibly weird, but I am academically curious. Ericka, Rickelle, Ulricka, Rickita, Brunhilda, Rickanne, Rickie, that sort of thing. If not, maybe they have a separate collective?

Some advice: not sure what you were cubing there, Gelrick 17, but it's probably unnecessarily complex for contacting us. Try envisioning the square root of negative one next time, that could work as a shorter contact number. More advice: never contact Trollrick. Trust me on this. I don't know if he even exists, but he probably does now just to spite me, the jerk.
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No. 289102 ID: b5a2ea

[screwed up my link to thread 12, sorry: http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/res/274023.html#277018][/i]
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No. 289106 ID: d4f98d

>>289078
Hey, speak for yourself, buddy. Some of us are the very definition of Charisma.

Well, lets look at the problem:

Something about Chaos Motes and Order Motes has Dolrick, Mr. Know-It-All himself, worried to the point of panic. Thats a pretty scary thought by itself.

Order motes, huh? Calling them our "Antithesis" is depressingly vague, but...

Chaos embodies the idea of rampancy, of creation and change uncontrolled, uncaring of the that which would contain it. Life itself is Chaos. Order, on the otherhand, is stability to the point of sterility, unchanging nothingness. The highest state of order is non-existence. Given that, I wonder if these Order Motes are even sentient such as we?

Regardless, anything relating to excessive amounts of undirected Order concerns me.

Also: Have you considered that, perhaps, Dolricks sudden departure wasn't entirely his own doing? He may have triggered a trap, especially if this paper is the ONLY one on this subject. There has to be a reason you can't redact this paper back to being whole...but...if you can't change the paper...

Perhaps, remember how you saw where Dolrick had found that sheet? Or how you recall catching a glimpse of the Order Mote description before Dolrick panicked?

If you can't change the form of the paper itself, change what you saw before the fate that befell it. A SMALL change.

Also also: Destroy or store this paper where no one but yourself has access to it, if you would, after committing it to memory. I'd rather as few as possible know about us.
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No. 289124 ID: 1854db

I'm going to just throw out something here: Chaos Motes can only be heard by those that can Dream- Dream being the most heavily aligned with Chaos- so Order Motes can probably be heard by those that can use Time magic- Time being most heavily aligned with Order.
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No. 289163 ID: 6a1753

>>289124
Chaos Mote can Motes can be DETECTED by people who have arcana dream magic and have taken a "host" in. (AKA Perspective Shift)
There is proof of it this in 2 points:
1. JoJo did not detect us when we shifted to him. This does NOT mean he is weak in dream magic its just that he is a combat dream magic user who we got the idea from to give Ozrick said power.
2. Ulzrick was trained by Jojo and did not sense us truly as Motes till he merged with the first who used dream to effect the world around him, AKA arcane magic.

But on the Note of order Motes:
We (Chaos Motes) came in at the same time Morder awoke; the patchwork monster has been parallel in growth and action to Mordre of the little time we have seen him. So! We follow Mordre, Order Motes fallow Patchwork.
I think we are about to see him again very soon.

Ulzrick you don't know anything about this thing/monster/guy so ill just say this:
Be on guard from an odd looking Life Golem thing. If you see it DO NOT attack it first, if it attacks without provoke: RUN, spreed that to your tropes. If im right and this thing is coming he will be every bit as powerful as Mordre. If he is coming he is coming to talk to you.
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No. 289164 ID: 6834bc

>>289124
>>289163
On the contrary, I suggest that Chaos Motes can be detected by anyone - given that they put enough effort toward analyzing or at least recognizing their normal thought processes.

Ulzrick noticed us because he's been listening to the other 'ricks all his life - he's had to know intimately his own thought processes; but was a bit of time before he realized that we were rather different from the rest of the 'ricks in terms of surfacing and in suggestion.

Lubu was also able to detect us, and I'm just not convinced it was sheer magical detection that clued him in to our presence.
Besides, this has the implication that if we're too radically different or if someone else has the requisite focus on their own mind and thought patterns, they can become truly aware of our presence and not just write us off as "wild thoughts from within my consciousness".
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No. 289167 ID: 6a1753

>>289164
"Magic vectors, trans-spatial origin, Chaos orientation-huh, well that's new."
Is all he felt he did not recognize us as Chaos motes.
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No. 289171 ID: 5b95eb

So much meta and secret spilling why why why

Also we don't know shit about order motes. Maybe they make us dangerous by making us spill out torrents of bad information and guesswork?
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No. 289172 ID: 1854db

(A lot of this should be in questdis, guys)
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No. 289173 ID: 6a1753

>>289171
Ulzrick has ALWAYS been the guy to get all the Meta dumped on him, Thats why we love him.
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No. 289179 ID: 252e1b

Ulzrick there's a high likelihood that Dolrick left you a note specifically addressed to you. Check your pocket, I bet you'll find a note he slipped in there earlier today, specifically about this. Because he would remember it from your perspective, you see.

So if he has instructions for you, you've already got them. And if he doesn't, you'll need to wing it.

And hey Dolrick, maybe you wanna throw us a bone here? Remember, you have a shot at setting up a little help from us interested stake holders before you find out what's in that damaged letter. Go on, put the note in Ulzrick's pocket before you go.

As for what we know. Well, we know that we're not dangerous unless we interact with Order motes. So, whatever trick you Gelricks used to call on us is going to have to be expanded so that we have a way to detect Order motes before we change targets. Otherwise it's just a matter of time before we jump into a mind that has Order motes present, and blow the poor bastard's brain apart.
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No. 289190 ID: 263430

> [Chaos motes] span all times and places through their Chaotic passive propagation.
Whereas order motes, without this, would stay put unless actively moved, probably by the Pure Lady.
Whatever they are, they've likely been here for some time.
Maybe whichever Gelrick got in contact with us before could tack a minus sign onto the front of his magic equations, and act as an intermediary to find out what our Order-aligned counterparts are up to. Maybe they'll be nice, and we can team up to headsplode that pesky Word mage!
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No. 289196 ID: b83150

>what Prime should do
Well, those before me seem to not have any long-term plans that could be executed based on the present information, and I don't either, unfortunately. So, after informing Mordre, through Phohn, of what happened, barring some revelation, work on your regimen to increase your Arcane Magnetomancy skills - and I do hope that you have such a plan, because if you don't, Eisenhardt is going to be furious. Also, in a similar line of thinking, perhaps you can Redact a Moment of Inspiration while doing that regimen? You do have Dolrick, whose soul should be massively greater than yours and therefore help in sparking a MoI in you; even if you nor he interacted significantly, and even if he isn't here now, he - his soul's weight - was there and should have made some pressure on your soul to 'open up'. There is, of course, not counting those souls around you that are also greater than yours, in terms of total soul weight, especially with the artificial boosting that are magical items and the like; perhaps the wyverns count collectively, and thus, the weight of their existence exceeds yours and would also pressure you into growing?

>not-Prime!Ulzricks distracting Prime
I thought that only we could send Prime into sensory overload, that Prime was functionally immune to the alternates in his head; but, no matter. Hmm, perhaps you could create a sort of giant brain within your Dream, where the alternates could link up and relieve any stress on your meat brain? The Dream is somewhat aligned with Chaos, which, given Bang's example with his creation of spell equations, allows one to 'create' thoughts; so, perhaps you, with the help of the alternates, can just create chaotic areas in the Dream, that link up with each other, in patterns reminiscent of the folds and creases of a brain, with a link to your own Dream avatar, to represent the connection to your meat brain, and links to the alternates in the Dream, which would allow the artificial brain to 'hear' their thoughts. The added processing power should ease the pressure on your brain, I hope.

>Arcane Magnetomancy
I should also talk about this, shouldn't I. So, I hope that the corpses - the dead DoD soldiers - still exist in a state that would allow you to harvest there blood; you have Flexrick, so you shouldn't have too much difficulty, as Flexrick could just draw the blood into himself. There is, after all, the Blood Iron Eisenhardt praised you on 'knowing'. I am not quite sure if it counts for the purposes of the magical power of Blood, but perhaps the blood of the livestock slaughtered, for food or otherwise, might also generate Blood Magic, and therefore, allow you gain more magic energy if you make the Blood flow?

On Arcane Magnetomancy itself, make use of the Crusher form of Crash Course - the larger form granted by the Morphic treatement - the greater magnetic field should help you in your endeavors, I hope. In addition, use Flexrick to search for any metals in the ground - your better command of Combat magic should help you here, though you should try always to sense all with Arcane - so that you would have more magnetic fields to work with; Flexrick's teleportation will help you with getting the metal out of the ground. So, bringing the metal to the surface, practice Arcane Magnetomancy, perhaps by trying to make the blood flow, through the metals within the blood, and thereby generate Blood Magic. Perhaps store the majority of the blood in Flexrick, so that you have a small enough amount of blood, not too far beyond your current ability to manipulate but still beyond your limits, outside; you should try to use the Combat Magnetomancy to make the blood flow, that is, the blood stored within Flexrick. It shouldn't be excessively difficult: you already have a ready rhythm in the form of your own heartbeat to set the blood flowing to.

And, say, do you have any competence with drawing upon World magic at all? The Arcanoworks is abnormally saturated with World magic, so you should have drawn on it at some point, I think. I bring this up because World magic goes very well with Blood magic, both amplifying each other, and directing World magic into the blood that you are trying to make generate Blood Magic might give you an easier time of it, as the flowing nature of World magic draws and steadies your own attempts, pulling and pushing the blood so that it is like itself, flowing.
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No. 289197 ID: f88f02

Order Motes are probably just us stuck in one...

Oh, fuck it's the King guy, or it's Dolrick who has them. Shit.
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No. 289210 ID: a76809

>>289061
> Let me guess, the disciples- More importantly Domintus and the Pure Lady, had a backup plan in case of failing to crush the state and make their god soul a reality. An omnicidal chaos-order reaction by forcing the respective motes of each type collide. Basically, one last big FUCK YOU to everything in every state of existance or non-existance. Dolrick is shitting himself because he cannot achive his ultimate goal if everything ceases to be.
>Or Order Motes could be a founding force behind what animated Domintus, that attempt to create a god of the Void, they need not necessarily be aimed at YOU.
>Could be though.
>>289063
> If the thought of order-chaos mote interaction has Dolrick so jumpy, then it probably means that theres a half decent chance of it happening. Considering the other examples of order chaos interaction that we know of, Us meeting our Order based counterparts might destroy...I am uncertain how much so lets just call it too much.
Sure Chaos Order explosions can be severe, but I wonder at it-without a physical expression, could an actual explosion result? Sure there's magic that can do that-I just wonder if it is inherently built into the process.
> Also a possible reason for Dolricks sudden departure may be that he did not consider the effect of the order motes when he did whatever the hell he did and he is scrambleing to avoid the fallout.
Now see this I think far more probable-he's a future, and founder, of the Collective with his own agenda-with some Plan brewing at his will, he would surely find new data highly relevant-especially if it threatened or altered what he sought. Simply, a man gone to protect his passion.

>>289066
> Oh, right. Trollzaru. Uh, he was a magic-eating Yeti who tried to manipulate Mordre some time ago, and well, basically, he became a giant pain in the ass who couldn't be trusted and was the poster-boy/number one reason for the yeti genocide movement.
Trollzaru?
>Don't bother we've tried-something is keeping him from fully rebuilding the memory-doesn't seem to affect us though-or you.
>Mordre killed the hell out of him, ate him, and there's a bit of his soul left that somehow turned into the entire sum of his existence. Mordre crystallized it, and suddenly nobody remembers his existence directly. It's like he never actually existed in the first place. Time shenanigans, fucking chronomancy.
Who are we talking about?
>See told you.

>>289078
> Y'all should really talk to Bang when you get the chance. Actually, go out of your way to make a chance to talk to him. The man can literally do millions of complex mathematical equations simultaneously in his head. Or in, y'know, wherever he's storing his brains these days, since they've kind of dispersed as compared to the human standard. Point is! He might be able to give you advice on how to think way faster in parallel with yourself, which could be highly relevant to your interests. Might require branching out into another field of magic but hey, 'rick and diversification go pretty well together.
He's nowhere near here, and I know you aren't suggesting I Phohn in a lesson from Bang on how to think-I just can't see that ending well. Nope.
>[Gelrick 13] It does seem unnecessarily dangerous to learn such a topic that way-so it will have to wait till our return from this excursion-or Bang being available, which to my understanding, is not going to be happening soon.

>>289082
> STATUS REPORT! On, well, everything: You, Your troops, your training, your troops training, supplys, ammo, your brother, your overall sanity, flexrick, and anything else important.
How about you be less demanding as a guest in my skull or get used to getting no answers?
>[Gelrick 01] His anger at us removed some hesitation from his mind...

>>289090
> What exactly did you need us for?
Well one to advise me on the Dolrick event, how to interpret it-that it is Dolrick running to monitor his plans seems most likely just now-but second, to answer this-

How exactly am I going to take over this land-I was given sufficient supplies and troops that yes, no local force is even close to a threat-but if I spread us through all the towns, we would have no real power, so diluted-and concentrated like this we can only monitor adjacent towns. I've checked with Vespinto and the rest, they are facing a similar conundrum-if we hunker down, we take maybe a twentieth of the Domintus lands-but the more aggressive we get in claiming land, the farther resources stretch, and the greater the risk-while they lost their army there are still tens of thousands of residents just in this quadrant of the Domintus lands, we are vastly outnumbered by the locals.

>>289093
> Mostly, I just want to know if he got that lesson on fighting Dreameaters from Lenryt. Because you never know when that'll come in handy.
Not yet.
> Oh, yes, and one more: what's the situation on the ground here, Ulster? How many other groups do we have inserted into Domintus Lands, and can you communicate to appraise them of your find? Just a simple "Heads up for info on something called 'Order motes'."
Collectively seven different forces, each under a thousand in total troop force but all highly equipped with enough force to overpower any fragments left of the Domintus army as local militia. Beyond that I can't really get more specific.

>>289099
>[Mrazycan] The opposite of chaos is order, so these motes are the exact opposite of us. We can interact with individuals, but not force events, or things to change. We can only instill ideas. Therefore, is it acceptable that these order motes might be considered, by some, as gods? They would be able to change the world directly to whatever they want, yet not be able to instill thoughts and ideas. hmm...
Who is this?
>Not a voice I know...
>[i]...His description it sounds... familiar...

>[Gelrick 03] He could be on to something.
I for one distrust a brand new voice... but we shall see.

>>289101
>[Moosehowl] Hey, Ulzrick, first time no meet. I'll leave the more grounded voices to suggest actions, but I did want to ask: Are there female versions of you in the Collective? Not trying to set you up with yourself or anything, that would be incredibly weird, but I am academically curious. Ericka, Rickelle, Ulricka, Rickita, Brunhilda, Rickanne, Rickie, that sort of thing. If not, maybe they have a separate collective?
...I don't think you understand how this works. I am part of the Ulzrick Collective-all parts are, in fact, Ulzrick-the same person in every reality. The environmental influences will shift, but the actual body does not. So no, there are no female Ulzricks-but other Collectives... well, the Gelricks proved it clearly possible... something I may want to check on at some point.

>>289106
>[Emba] Perhaps, remember how you saw where Dolrick had found that sheet? Or how you recall catching a glimpse of the Order Mote description before Dolrick panicked? If you can't change the form of the paper itself, change what you saw before the fate that befell it. A SMALL change.
>Perhaps Chaos Motes, some of them at least, understand the Dream better than I anticipated-

Jeeze I didn't even need to try, all it would have taken was me leaning a foot to the left while he read. I Remember-

[Redaction]

...Oh. Oh shit. Um.... I... don't think I should think this, and the only reason I can think this is because I'm so used to trying to partition thoughts from the other Ulzricks-QUICK MENTAL HOT POTATO!
>What the fuck are you throwing an idea in my head-OHGODGETITOUTNOPENOPENOPE!
>[Gelrick 13] What is so bad about-I am purging this memory the moment its transfered.
>[Gelrick 01] ...Away from me.
>Just what is so.... OOOOH yeah not gonna keep that memory.
>What is it that you all do not wish to.... It is well I learned how to hide thoughts outside the dream-and in my current state, the amout of seperation between this knowledge and Ulzrick is most formidable. He should be safe.
What information?
>Originally you decided to purge it, else I would not have it.
>Wait, some info problem? Jeeze, what did I read that I decided to rewrite my own memories?
...Perhaps I should keep that thought away, then.



Well, shit tons of revelations-as always when you show up it seems-and First has some secret you might want in on-but I'm not sure it would be a good idea. Then there's my need for advise on how to maximize land draw with a limited troop base.

[DAY 179: DAY 9 OF WEEK 3 OF MONTH 5:]
[Rathday of the Third Cycle of Libiturnius (Summer)]


Ugh, when did midnight arrive?






So what do you think, Motes?
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No. 289211 ID: f88f02

Say, can you redact order/law interactions?
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No. 289212 ID: 5b95eb

Shit, was it really that bad?
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No. 289213 ID: f88f02

>>289211
>Chaos/Order, my bad!
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No. 289215 ID: f6360f

>>289210
All right, correct me if I'm wrong here, guys, but doesn't Dolrick know everything that anyone in the Collective knows because of his nature? And, now that at least one of you knows what's on that sheet, shouldn't he have known it long before ever reading what's on it and accordingly not reacted as strongly as he did?

If that logic holds together- and I'm not saying it does; someone vet it for me- then we can probably conclude that either that information will be somehow permanently expunged from you guys more firmly than you've managed at the moment, or that whichever of you knows it is going to be destroyed or escape the Collective entirely at some point and thereby prevent him from ever getting his hands on what you know. I think.

Urgh, I'm not that good at this.

>Then there's my need for advise on how to maximize land draw with a limited troop base.
Traditionally, finding people willing to work with you in the populace helps. You haven't given us much information on their general attitude towards you at the moment, but if you can maintain even a light, nominal grip on the Domintus lands- say, by deputizing any remaining militias or Domintus forces willing to declare their loyalty to the new government- you could solve a lot of problems. Once they're working for you on some level, then the issue of gradually turning their nominal loyalty into actual loyalty can be handled. You could probably play on the Domintus religion somehow; they were very into strength translating into leadership, from what I understand. Well, you're pretty damned strong, and your country overcame theirs; you should be able to lead with a little bit of savvy talkin'.

I'm not sure how mobile your force is, but even if you can't recruit any significant military forces to your side, at least convincing some of the people to act as informants- through your unmatched and near-undetectable communications system, naturally- could make matters a hell of a lot easier for you, since you'd mostly only have to spend your effort on reactive jobs instead of patrolling constantly to detect problems.

Basically, the point is that if your problem is that there are too many of their people and not enough of your people, take steps to make some of their people your people.
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No. 289224 ID: 45be60

Ulzrick, I am disappointed in you. The other commanders may be new enough to Mordre's service not to know what to do here, but you have been around long enough to have seen the model you should be operating under. Remember when Mordre took over the Arcanoworks? A handful of helpers quickly blossomed outward into an entire stable region because he made friends with the locals.

Go talk with them. See what they think, what the need. Then we can see about getting them on our side one village at a time. When they are on your side, they will tell you when things are going down, and you won't need to patrol or spread out so hard. And eventually, you'll be able to recruit them to the army to help hold the area themselves. So get out there and start talking to them!
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No. 289234 ID: bbd32e

All right then, Ulzrick. We have relatively low numbers, but excellent communication and air superiority. That can work for us.

Here's what I recommend: Our seven groups should link up their taken territories if they haven't already, and expand equidistantly from the State-Domintus border. This ensures that the outermost edge of our territories are strongest-held. Of course, the wider we cast our net, the more holes in our defense. But that is why you will patrol our territory with the dragons, which are literally tireless. Set up a relay to swap riders as needed so that our cavalry doesn't get too fatigued.

Each town is to be 'taken' with a show of force, something flashy and impressive. Then move on; each city or town taken should have the smallest skeleton crew possible left behind to maintain order, just a handful of soldiers. Each small garrison will have orders to 'think' hard to the Life Golem Phohn if there is significant trouble. We may lose a garrison or two to civilian rioting or Domintus saboteurs, but that threat can be minimized like so:

Set up a pattern for the dragon patrols that crosses the greatest number of towns repeatedly during the day and night, and keep in contact through Phohn; randomize the patrol times to deter complacency, but we need exposure. Get Domintus used to seeing our airforce all the time, to make it seem like our forces number more than they ought.

If we lose a garrison, crack down on them hard. If they call our bluff and are met with strength the first time, they will be much less likely to do it again. Those who kill our men are to be made an example of to take the spine out of the others, but otherwise present a benevolent side. Allow the local magistrates, whatever they are, to come to you with their problems. We want to absorb them into the State, not merely subjugate them. The garrisons shouldn't try and take away things like religion or local custom, but merely offer ours as an alternative; have them speak of Mordre and the other notables, of the richness of our lands, of our powerful technology, of the benefits of belonging to us. Impress them. If we can get them to be proud to be State-held, then our job will be nearly done.

The garrisons might wish to begin training up the local peasants as militia. Something uniform-ish would be good to instill pride in the job; armbands in State colors, if nothing else. I'd recommend teaching them the spear. A peasant militiaman can learn to use a spear over a long weekend, and they'll probably want to learn to better protect what they have. Let them know that somewhere down the line if they do a good job, there might be a little coin in it for them as a regular thing. They'll be much less likely to rebel against the people signing their paychecks.

Expand as you can. We might be able to get you some reinforcements from elsewhere, we do have holdings in the mountains, but that will take time.
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No. 289285 ID: a0d5fc

Also, make sure to take prisoners, and get a reputation for treating them fairly.

Some of those who have committed crimes might need to be sent to Mordre for trial and execution, but if the remaining Domintus forces see that you give quarter, then you may well be able to reduce the resistance to you.

Also, consider what the you were taught about the basis for soul dreaming. Physical Souldreamers sacrifice some part of their body in return for the ability to manifest what they imagine into reality. The Gelricks are bodiless, and so are as disabled as can be in that sphere. You/they should attempt to imagine bodies into existence, although, as befitting your nature as part of the collective, they should try to link all their bodies through one Tractomantically connected Musclespace.
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No. 289338 ID: a092ef

>>289210
>Who is this? >Not a voice I know... >...His description it sounds... familiar...
>>[Gelrick 03] He could be on to something.
>I for one distrust a brand new voice... but we shall see.

This guy, man.
This guy ... he is the [i]true
embodiment of Chaos Motes.
He's on of the first guys who spoke to you, Ulzrick. He's the one who flat-out told you Mordre's true nature.
And then he disappeared for a long, long time ... he came back just a while ago.
Also, he posts with new name everythime.


Oh, speaking of Mordre.
He is sending you a surprise "present". I'm suuuuure you will like it.


Heh-heh...
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No. 289349 ID: bdd665

Hey Ulzrick, how are the local villages and towns organized? Are there local leaders? If so what made them leaders (were they appointed? rich? dangerous fighters? chosen by the locals?)
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No. 289355 ID: a092ef

Oh right

Ulzrick,
remember how you found yourself talking with us in our own domain? Place called "IRC"? We showed you bunch of recipes, fighting videos and such? It happened when you were sleeping...

What do you think of it?
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No. 289357 ID: 5b95eb

>>289338
Ok yeah that sounds pretty bad so I'm going to go ahead and spoil it, hell, if you don't want to ruin the surprise, play mental hot potato again.

He's giving you some Dreameater Blood Iron, which is supposed to be helpful against dream monsters or something. Ask the other Ulzricks, they'd know more about it.
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No. 289369 ID: bbd32e

>>289099
So, what would be the opposite of us? That can affect the real world physically, but are heavily bound by laws and lacking in creativity? The Deep Spawn? The Caged One itself and its nation-destroying spawn almost fits the bill, but Timmy was damn clever, if single-minded. Though I suppose that might be its interaction with us or Arkus influencing it, granting it more of a grasp on sapience than it had before. I suppose if that's true, we just helped it on its way to completion as a Planet Eater, and doomed the world. (PS attempt?)

>>289355
Come on, can't we have any secrets from this guy?

Anyway, we were discussing it amongst ourselves, and we have a possible solution I'd like to float by you for your problem.

Namely, if your little Collective Dreams the Gelricks up new bodies, they will be less inclined to watch over your shoulder. A general lessening of your personal power, but it would help with the manpower issue and your peace of mind. If you used your Collective Magnetomancy to create metal bodies for them. Perhaps their own platoons of golems, depending on their proficiency. If you install a Disjoint rune like Dulu's, that should temporarily sever them from you to do their own thing, then deactivating the rune would pull them back in if it looks like they're in over their head.

Speaking of metal bodies, we may want to drop Eisenhardt a line, see about getting some of his war machines out here in exchange for installing him as magnate of his own city or two. We can hash it out later, but the more of Domintus lands we can grab, the better.
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No. 289404 ID: a76809

>>289211
>[O]Say, can you redact order/chaos interactions?
No idea.
>At no point was I aware of how to do so.

>>289215
> All right, correct me if I'm wrong here, guys, but doesn't Dolrick know everything that anyone in the Collective knows because of his nature? And, now that at least one of you knows what's on that sheet, shouldn't he have known it long before ever reading what's on it and accordingly not reacted as strongly as he did?
>[Gelrick 13] Yes, he should know of it, given that First knows, and First is a member of the Collective.
> If that logic holds together- and I'm not saying it does; someone vet it for me- then we can probably conclude that either that information will be somehow permanently expunged from you guys more firmly than you've managed at the moment, or that whichever of you knows it is going to be destroyed or escape the Collective entirely at some point and thereby prevent him from ever getting his hands on what you know. I think.
>A... morbid thought, but yes, my destruction or a complete purging of the information would be necessary to prevent Dolrick from knowing-and given he did not know, one of the two must occur at some point. ...I feel inclined to rid myself of the data now, but I refuse to believe this information should be shared with Chaos or Order motes.

>As to the whole Domintus conquering thing: Traditionally, finding people willing to work with you in the populace helps. You haven't given us much information on their general attitude towards you at the moment, but if you can maintain even a light, nominal grip on the Domintus lands- say, by deputizing any remaining militias or Domintus forces willing to declare their loyalty to the new government- you could solve a lot of problems. Once they're working for you on some level, then the issue of gradually turning their nominal loyalty into actual loyalty can be handled. You could probably play on the Domintus religion somehow; they were very into strength translating into leadership, from what I understand. Well, you're pretty damned strong, and your country overcame theirs; you should be able to lead with a little bit of savvy talkin'.
See that's the problem-the groups that have tried being convivial and polite, have tried being kind to the Domintus residents-they've had the worst results. Apparantly that 'survival of the fittest' dogma they have goes VERY deep, and those that act kindly are actively being disbelieved as having bested the Domintus army, let alone its leaders. On the other hand, I KNOW Mordre's public image would not be too hot if we use a heavy hand-THAT'S my concern here, is that we seem fucked if we do, fucked if we don't.
> I'm not sure how mobile your force is, but even if you can't recruit any significant military forces to your side, at least convincing some of the people to act as informants- through your unmatched and near-undetectable communications system, naturally- could make matters a hell of a lot easier for you, since you'd mostly only have to spend your effort on reactive jobs instead of patrolling constantly to detect problems.
....Okay.... that... THAT, I can use. There's always SOME who just want to go with the flow-but they don't want to go against the generally resistive public opinion and get shat on. So, if I provide them a safe means of getting information to us-yes, this should help... okay, with the increased information, what else could I do?

>>289224
> Ulzrick, I am disappointed in you. The other commanders may be new enough to Mordre's service not to know what to do here, but you have been around long enough to have seen the model you should be operating under. Remember when Mordre took over the Arcanoworks? A handful of helpers quickly blossomed outward into an entire stable region because he made friends with the locals.
Have you even SEEN Mordre's normal approach? He doesn't HAVE one. Most of the time he murders everyone that goes against him-then sometimes he takes prisoners. As far as I have seen, he would approach this by murdering all who resist and being kindly to those that don't-and I don't think that would win any friends here. And let's not forget the lies within lies he has going-seriously, if you want me to take a page out of Mordre's book on this, given I do NOT have a superweapon as a body, I am fairly certain things will go to shit.
>[Gelrick 10] If anything, Mote, I am disappointed in you for not following through on your own thought-there is little Mordre is capable of that Ulzrick could replicate, and most of Mordre's actions hinge on his access to massive, overwhelming power. While Ulzrick has considerable magical talents, he is by no means unkillable-or unpoisonable.
And let's not forget these people have the absurd notion that they must follow the strong-coupled with the belief that they are in fact the strongest, in some nationalistic way-so I can't even use their belief system against them since they are content with logical fallacies.
> Go talk with them. See what they think, what the need. Then we can see about getting them on our side one village at a time. When they are on your side, they will tell you when things are going down, and you won't need to patrol or spread out so hard. And eventually, you'll be able to recruit them to the army to help hold the area themselves. So get out there and start talking to them!
Maybe this can be made clearly with an example: Example one, approach town with weapons ready, in numbers-people hole up in houses, refuse to negotiate or unbar doors for any reason, certain that the other, stronger members of the Domintus army-the one they believe must still exist-will come protect them. Example two-we go in without weapons drawn, in smaller numbers, under banner of negotiations-rocks are thrown at us until we leave. Since I am fairly certain that, even if the troops would obey it, I can't just make an example of someone or anything, because again, Mordre's image is heavily dependent on how we do this.

>>289234
>[Guile] All right then, Ulzrick. We have relatively low numbers, but excellent communication and air superiority. That can work for us. Here's what I recommend: Our seven groups should link up their taken territories if they haven't already, and expand equidistantly from the State-Domintus border. This ensures that the outermost edge of our territories are strongest-held. Of course, the wider we cast our net, the more holes in our defense. But that is why you will patrol our territory with the dragons, which are literally tireless. Set up a relay to swap riders as needed so that our cavalry doesn't get too fatigued. Each town is to be 'taken' with a show of force, something flashy and impressive. Then move on; each city or town taken should have the smallest skeleton crew possible left behind to maintain order, just a handful of soldiers. Each small garrison will have orders to 'think' hard to the Life Golem Phohn if there is significant trouble. We may lose a garrison or two to civilian rioting or Domintus saboteurs, but that threat can be minimized like so: Set up a pattern for the dragon patrols that crosses the greatest number of towns repeatedly during the day and night, and keep in contact through Phohn; randomize the patrol times to deter complacency, but we need exposure. Get Domintus used to seeing our airforce all the time, to make it seem like our forces number more than they ought. If we lose a garrison, crack down on them hard. If they call our bluff and are met with strength the first time, they will be much less likely to do it again. Those who kill our men are to be made an example of to take the spine out of the others, but otherwise present a benevolent side. Allow the local magistrates, whatever they are, to come to you with their problems. We want to absorb them into the State, not merely subjugate them. The garrisons shouldn't try and take away things like religion or local custom, but merely offer ours as an alternative; have them speak of Mordre and the other notables, of the richness of our lands, of our powerful technology, of the benefits of belonging to us. Impress them. If we can get them to be proud to be State-held, then our job will be nearly done. The garrisons might wish to begin training up the local peasants as militia. Something uniform-ish would be good to instill pride in the job; armbands in State colors, if nothing else. I'd recommend teaching them the spear. A peasant militiaman can learn to use a spear over a long weekend, and they'll probably want to learn to better protect what they have. Let them know that somewhere down the line if they do a good job, there might be a little coin in it for them as a regular thing. They'll be much less likely to rebel against the people signing their paychecks. Expand as you can. We might be able to get you some reinforcements from elsewhere, we do have holdings in the mountains, but that will take time.

....Huh. Can't use all of that-but the constant, irregular air patrols, the shock and awe tactics, playing to their love of strength, the communications network to keep a skeleton crew safe.... I think we can make this work. Got to call up Vespinto, all the rest... okay, I think we can turn this around then.

Thanks motes-I imagine things will look better a few days from now.

>[The Jester]As entertaining as it is to watch you have your way with things, and as fascinating as it is that a Dreamer could call you-I don't think you should be here.

Sound. Sight. The medium of interface vanishes, swirling-

....................................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: BANG] ....................................................................................

Okay Bang, think. There HAS to be a way to make this awesome.

Learned a few fun ways to irk more performance out of my current form (in and out of Chaos mode) thanks to the Sphere's awesome genetic archives-but the people in here, beyond viewing Mordre as a God-view me as one too. That's Belief, right?

Well, Masks-like wifey-
>I thought you were going to stop calling me that.
If I feel like it-anyway, Masks tap Belief too, as part of their existence-
>It is an entirely seperate belief that we sustain ourselves on-I doubt the two could mix-
Yeah but you don't know they can't, right? I mean, who's to say there is not some sort of way to make a... a God Mask, right? It's just too cool to NOT be possible!
>As always, your grasp of logic and reality is... jarring... to wrap one's thoughts around
Pssh, it's that everyone else thinks too circuitously, things are RARELY need to be as convoluted as they end up. For example-I want to punch something, I PUNCH IT. There is no 'but what if its weh weh weh' and all that.





So, how do I plan to mix Belief, given I know nothing about it?
Oh and I guess I'm here to be Mordre's stand-in god figure for these dudes-what should I do, beyond the daily 'me against everyone' brawls I've been having?
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No. 289407 ID: 21e57a

>So, how do I plan to mix Belief, given I know nothing about it?
Keep working at it till it works! Right, start telling them about the AMAXING things you’ve done,and how awesome our Mask-Wife is.
>Oh and I guess I'm here to be Mordre's stand-in god figure for these dudes-what should I do, beyond the daily 'me against everyone' brawls I've been having?
Move it up to twice daily, of course! And what have the locals been teaching you? Other than that, start teaching them your style. DECIPLES OF BANG. How awesome would that be?
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No. 289408 ID: f88f02

>I mean, who's to say there is not some sort of way to make a... a God Mask, right?

As far as I know, if you wear it as part of the image as a God, then... It'll be just as divine.
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No. 289413 ID: 63fc62

>>289404
Are there any mask makers left in Desparden, any written records of how to make masks? Really all we need are the basics, because we're not going to make masks that follow the Desparden trend. We're going to make a WHOLE NEW GENERATION of masks, without the flaws that the Desparden masks currently hold. Think about it Bang, you know all too well that every mask is self destructive- using the built in power source drives mask and wearer insane, a blend of two belief sources with the current mask format... It could only have cruel, tragic, violent end.

But this is more of an ambitious pursuit, one I'd only enact when your trainees have more experience.

Speaking of which, how has training been so far? What's the overall progress of your new students?
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No. 289416 ID: a0d5fc

>>289399
>So, how do I plan to mix Belief, given I know nothing about it?
So, from what Arkus told us,the pitch to these guys was all about self-improvement and all that jazz, right. You should tell them about how working with Mordre and the other folks he's gathered around them has lead for you to grow like never before, and that they can do the same. You should set yourself up to them as a living example of growth and change.

Whilst your at it, you should spar with some of the Soul Soldiers that Mordre has bound to the locals, and see what they're like in combat.

If you want to maximise your Belief, you should try to build on the Mask aspect. Try to be invited to join the Dragon competition in the Land of Dragons, and proclaim yourself to be the Masked Dragon of Life.
>Oh and I guess I'm here to be Mordre's stand-in god figure for these dudes-what should I do, beyond the daily 'me against everyone' brawls I've been having?
Well, obviously, it's worth improving the local gene pool if you get my drift...

Apart from that, you should try to demonstrate the truth behind the ethos you're promoting, by evolving right in front of them. You just have to find some way to improve yourself.

There are such things as genetically coded spell equations, the mathematics that code for the magic written in DNA. We are a master of Curiatomancy, so we should understand that DNA is not just a repository of instructions, but also serves as a computer to begin the calculations that turn them into life. When cells divide or combine, or a new protein needs to be created, the DNA performs a calculation (which may well be when genetic equations execute).You can harness this capability of DNA to create solvers for spell equations even when cells are not dividing, by designing specialist constructs to unwind and recombine the DNA. Although these may not be be the most rapid calculations to execute, they are still amazingly powerful, as very complex equations can be solved relatively easily. Substantial parts of DNA are junk, unused, you may be able to replace this with useful information, allowing you to implant your mind and memories within every cell of your body, massively multiplying your thinking abilities and well as meaning that you cannot be fully destroyed as long as a a single one of your cells remains

You should consider studying plants and fungus, and whether you can integrate their traits into your body, you can then involve the Sphere dwellers in your work, by using the samples they brought with them from their home, and showing them that they do have strengths and skills they can nurture into true strength. If you can do this as well as storing your mind in DNA, consider creating a seed as a backup that will grow a new you if your current body is ever annihilated, for your Immortal Soul to return to.

You may also be able to use this to copy the hereditary spell equations of species with inherent magic, so it may be worth hunting some down to sample them.

Whether or not you succeed at this, you should consider the possibilities of wither injecting your own possibility cells into the Sphere dwellers to construct the seeds of augmented organs, in a benign version of how you inflict cancer on your enemies. More radically, you should consider creating your own retroviruses containing traits you want to apply to others, so that you can infect them with the virus and directly upgrade them in that fashion.

On the subject of self-modification, did Keddic speak to you of his plans for cellular runing? Modifying the Golgi complexes in your cells to produce proteins that self organise into runes which are empowered by a specially designed organ. Now you have seen the magic creating organs in the Sphere, you should work with Arkus, Kyorto, and Keddic to try to create this. Although all of you would want to apply different runes to your cells, all would benefit by working together on this.
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No. 289417 ID: 5b95eb

oh man did you see the magic generating organs

awesome, right?
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No. 289433 ID: bbd32e

> So, how do I plan to mix Belief, given I know nothing about it?
Why should that stop you? You're Maximum Bang!

The Masks all seem in pretty good repair, do they have a self-repairing function? You could tear off little bits of the Wife and infuse them into the followers.

Alternately, the Masks seem to have certain almost viral properties. Taking over hosts, spreading from person to person, and the way your Sash works... Can she infuse otherwise normal masks with something of herself? After all, cloth comes from natural fibers and dye is natural, too. I bet the Sphere people could mass-produce them.

You know, the way eyes work are a lot like prisms. Mordre told you about Kenghexion's specialized organs for refracting and reflecting light, turning it into coherent lasers, right? Eye-beams, ho! You'd probably lose your sight while firing, but your electric senses, magic sense, and echolocation could fix that fine. Hell, grow more eyes for more eye-beams! Maybe make them out of crystal or something though, multiple eyes are kinda like giving yourself a lot of weakspots.

As for your new followers... you've done such a good job remaking yourself, ask for volunteers for Curatiomancy experiments.

"Alright, who wants to become a demigod? You? Or maybe you! Step right up! I'm just remaking you like a sculptor with clay, this will probably not hurt at all!"
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No. 289469 ID: 12a101

>So, how do I plan to mix Belief, given I know nothing about it?

Simplest answer? Power Scarves. Make them a status symbol, have them issued to the toughest and most AWESOME folks on the Sphere. Get everyone all riled up and enthused about their new status symbols, channeling their belief into Power Scarves. AWESOME people get an AWESOME SCARF, and Bang's scarf is already the most awesome of all. Maybe get a few enchanted ones produced, to enhance the abilities of the really awesome followers. The closer you are to the Gods, the better your Scarf.

Bang's Scarf is made up of a bunch of masks, it should have no trouble at all sucking up belief directed straight to it, even of a slightly different form than usual. That's the point: it's bridging the two different pools of belief (Masks vs. Gods-with-Scarves) without needing to understand either one in any real depth. Build on the belief Mordre established by adding scarves to the mix. Phohn Mordre and get him to shape his Golden Smoke into a scarf shape when he visits, or just all the time in general.

Duplicate Masks would likely need to be magic in order to tap the Desparden belief pool, but the scarves needn't be magical at all since they're filling what is essentially an empty void of belief-attracting status symbols. Handing out magic ones later (when convenient) would upgrade that belief even further.
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No. 289470 ID: f6360f

>>289404
>So, how do I plan to mix Belief, given I know nothing about it?
Simple: Tell everyone that your mask, since you started working for Mordre, has started to Ascend with you. The overall effect should be like layering a new level of belief right on top of the original one- the Desparden Belief says "Masks do this", and the Sphereoid Belief says "Yes, the Mask of Magnum Bang began its existence in just such a humble fashion! Then it began to Grow..." Don't spend too much time describing the original set of Mask characteristics to the Spheriods, or their Belief will become diffused into all kinds of Desparden Masks that you don't care about and probably start interfering with the native Desparden Belief set as they misunderstand things; that would be a waste. Instead, focus on how crazy awesome your Mask is and how it has pushed past the limits that constrain normal Masks, dispensed with their flaws and honed all its skills to unheard levels of perfection.

>More radically, you should consider creating your own retroviruses containing traits you want to apply to others, so that you can infect them with the virus and directly upgrade them in that fashion.
>ask for volunteers for Curatiomancy experiments.
On the one hand: This is awesome, and play up the religious aspect of it. Do this to people who strive the hardest to Grow, to improve themselves, as a reward for their dedication to the proper way and a constant reminder that they need to keep pushing themselves to ever greater things.

On the other hand: Do not fuck this up. It could really lose a lot of confidence in you and by extension Mordre if you screw up and accidentally mutate someone lethally. And since confidence->Belief, that means you could accidentally de-power both of you significantly with one error.
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No. 289482 ID: 08d6c9

Make sure to add that yhour mask does not go batshit insane. Ever.
It is a totally chill device that will never work against you or lose power over itself.


So... How have been the Bang vs. everyone brawls? Did the locals make progress? Did you put Ragegluts into the action too?
Speaking of them.... how are they? What did they think of DoD battles?

What else can you tell about Arks populace? How are their faith guardians doing, are they using them during the fights?

Tell us of new tricks that you have learned.

Also, what is your reaction to the fact that there is an entire continent that has been doing your brand of fighting for millenia? The fact that combat curationmancy is notas unique as you thought before?
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No. 289516 ID: a76809

>>289407
....You know-
>Bang, not everyone can do what you do!
What!? They're just being whiny crybabies-'boo hoo, my muscles are tearing and I can't breathe-waa wah, my bones are breaking and I'm coughing up blood]-honestly, I fix them up when they get hurt (oh MAN, the unnassigned ownership of this Sphere makes it easy for the one in charge to work magic inside)-so really what's the problem?
>[i]You are making normal farmers and herbalists endure what it took you years to be able to do!

Right, but see I had to make it up as I went, no mentor-they get all these great perks, really whats the trouble if I increase the sparring to twice a day? I've grown some magic regenerating organs around my kidneys, where my appendix was, and around my heart-I've finally got my own bodies total magical output to go up, rather than just the regneration rate-score! I've improved my innate magical mass by thirty nine percent-that plus the Sphere means they can do it, and twice the training, twice as fast to pick it up!
>You do grasp that not everyone can perform the required calculations for what you do right? You grasp your computational abilities are well in excess of what most can achieve, correct?
>>289416
They have personal guardians that move and recover in accordance with their own will and belief, and are magically tethered to them in a symbiotic relationship-they have full on, quasi-sentient, energy generating personal bodyguards-oh, and, with a predisposition to view curatiomancy as a combat magic from their own land, they are heavily inclined to listen to me-AND I have the sphere plus my own knowledge to draw on for teaching them. With that many things on their side, they can't NOT learn this, one way or another.
>You are not giving on this are you?
I hardly need to apply cancer directly to the face anymore with you, do I?
>Do what you will, but I still maintain I think this a poor plan.
And what if I genetically modify them, turning their actual DNA-which you know through my thoughts to largely be unused-as inbuilt computational aids-I have to come up with an on-off style coding language, but I have a few ideas-and now those ideas are panning out-see how handy calculating power is? This is exactly why I'm going to keep pushing them, fiddling with them until they can do something like it too-the chance to create a whole city of my own diciples-I've tried before, and no one was willing to go the distance, the chance to reverse that and spread my teachings so widely on the rebound-
>The potential impact of success is to great for you to ignore.
Exactly it. And the DNA computing idea? Come on, you can see I've got a full conversion language of on-off coding to magical algorithms for use on DNA, AND I've got a few archetypal equation schemes I can customize for each individual I work on-this can totally work!
>It can 'totally[ fail as well.
There's only a twenty seven percent chance of that!
>You came to this statistic how?
Just stat equations involving twelve thousand four hundred ninety two variables, you can check my mind and-
>No thank you. I have found that as your access to magic to draw on grew with the scarf shift, your mind seems less.... limited, and your magical computations... they remind me too much of things I'd rather left forgotten. So I prefer not to look.
Okay fine.

>>289413
Say Wi-Red Eye of the Dynamo, you know if any lore on how to make Masks still lurks about?
>Why do you want to know?
Well I figure if I knew more of the process I might learn more about Belief-and the possibility of ensnaring it in you, possibly not just to my own advantage, but yours as well.
>...Texts do exist, but the are within Despardos alone, held most carefully by the Masked Warriors. You would need to gain entry to one of the seven central facilities, where the world's few Mask Makers dwell, to learn.
Hm....

I consider the students-and their Faith Soldiers. Currently, their bodyguards are still the greater threat. As is, they are preferentially tangible, a nasty trick that lets attacks on them phase through harmlessly, while they can choose to either strike directly, or first phase through some layers of flesh-they can bypass my exoskeletal armor to strike internally. Still, they aren't any faster than a normal human, and if I bind together the air they inhabit and punch THAT, I seem able to slow or temporarily disable them, if not outright cause them harm.

The students... well, as of yet all now grasp how to heal cuts, rents in skin and muscle at the least-but beyond that, only... a nineteenth of the student population can effect healing beyond a bruise in under a second, and even then only by a little bit. But they were the local prodigies, the gifted ones that puzzled out some curatiomancy of their own-

And through them I am beginning to pick up the bare bones basics of Pomumancy-I still know nowhere near enough, but it is a start.

I finish healing and seeing to the feeding of my thousands of students, mulling over ideas in my head before I call for the SECOND training. Some groan-most do not, slowly getting used to the transient nature of their pain and fatigue with me here to tirelessly aid them when they cannot effect repairs themselves. The day passes by cathartically, with much punching to be had-I feel some real learning happened here.

....And-

Now it's time to go to Despardos.
>...What?
You told me where the info was-how could I not grasp at a chance to make us both better-maybe even offer you some relief?
>...You really aren't trying to manipulate me into saying yes are you-you actually care about a piece of cloth.
I'd be lonely without you around, what can I say? So-what do you say, shall we go?
>I....yes.
Well alright then.

Phohn, summon Burduko here please.
At once Bang.
As Burduko appears, I speak in the grandest cavern within the sphere, my voice echoing to thousands.

"I'll be back, but first I have some business to take care of-this Mask you see me wearing? Well, she just isn't quite complete-needs a last push to really become the rival of Sphere Gods she's supposed to be. So... BACK IN A BIT, PLAY AMONGST YOURSELVES, GET SOME PUNCHING DONE!"
>I can't believe you said that!
Which part?

Before she can respond, or even the audience can react, I let Burduko step forth, Rutgur being pulled forth to encase me-

"To Despardos, my friend!"

My senses blur, and I am standing in a familiar scene-abruptly on the ground in the middle of a town as dusk begins to fall, all eyes turning to my abrupt presence, wide and shocked as they glimpse the flicker of my twin escorts before they vanish. All attention reverts to me as I rise, still in Chaos form with weaponized, runed and pitted exoskeletal organic 'armor' about my form, the Forever Rising Scarf and the Red Eye my sole attire.

Okay, I think I could not ask for a more receptive audience.






What should I say or do?
How am I going to find one of the Masked Warrior strongholds, and how will I get in?
...Should I look for either the Champion and the Belt, or even my father while back home?
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No. 289517 ID: d3dfb8

>...You really aren't trying to manipulate me into saying yes are you-you actually care about a piece of cloth.
She's you're 'wife' bro. You'd go to the ends of the earth for her benefit if she asked. But only if she asked nicely. And possibly made you a sandwich.
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No. 289519 ID: f6360f

>>289516
>And through them I am beginning to pick up the bare bones basics of Pomumancy-I still know nowhere near enough, but it is a start.
So what the heck is the difference between Pomumancy and Curatiomancy, anyway? Ultimately, isn't it all just manipulation of living organic tissue? Don't plants have DNA just like animals? Aren't some animals possessed of plantlike qualities, and some plants possessed of animalistic qualities? It seems like the distinction is artificial, something that someone with great skill and deep vision- such as yourself- should be able to overcome.

On the other hand, everyone seems to think they're separate branches of magic, which means there's Belief getting poured into the divide, which I suppose is probably reinforcing any existing distinctions between the two and making them unnecessarily distinct from one another. Annoying.
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No. 289522 ID: 5b95eb

Which town are you in?
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No. 289523 ID: 63fc62

>>289516
The first thing you want to do is finish mopping up those god masks, not only are they a major pain in the collective native Desparden people's ass- it's one of the only ways to get recognized enough by the masked warriors, plus you've got a grudge match going on with them and would've had to deal with them ANYWAY. Not to mention WE are the only god mask worth mentioning around here. Now start asking around town if the god masks have been stirring up more trouble since the last time we were here. The faster we find out where those rats are hiding the faster we can kick some serious ass, and add some new faces to the Forever Rising- say, can the scarf integrate new masks as we collect them, or do we gotta go back to Figment for that?
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No. 289533 ID: 867af1
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289533

You have an audience and the sun is going down. You've also got experience with larger organic constructs now. Perhaps you could start your quest with an awesome musical performance to rouse the slumbering Desparden hearts, drawing their belief in as you pave an awesome sonic path into their souls? The Magnum Bang style belief experiment starts now!

Start your curiomancy and pomumancy: Gradually grow a flowering plant stage under your feet. Wood/bone cylinders with skin membranes can become drums. Plenty of animals that make powerful sounds can be imitated - like frogs, cicadas or even whales. Your own vocal chords can be strengthened and altered to produce almost any sound. You could also replicate the hundreds of bird species that sing to grow an incredible choir of songbird organs on your shoulders. Get the Red Eye of the Dynamo to help out, maybe she could do some additional singing or maybe run a few instruments?

To finish it off make a hand held instrument that uses elecric senses to feel the vibration of electrically charged strings. Then have it send the nerve signals directly to large "speaker" organs where muscles cause giant membranes to vibrate and create sound!

When it gets dark shed your exoskeleton and use your electric abilities to set the stage on fire with lightning strikes and keep playing! You want to make sure that no one in this town will ever forget this night.
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No. 289592 ID: bbd32e
 

>>289533
Seems kind of... I'd rather just seek out the Mask Makers. But if we do the impromptu concert, we should make an organic theramin.

Also, it'd be cool to take the Championship belt for when Boom comes for it (he would have to come to you), but I agree with >>289523, we should go finish those god masks first. More masks for the Sash, and they're kind of bastards.

Ah, Desparden. Time flies, doesn't seem a minute since our last wild rampage in it.

It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pity to be back in Desparden and not going from city to city (murdering every God Mask we can find).

One night in Desparden and the tough guys tumble. One night in Desparden and the God Masks crumble. We'll find a God in every cult-ish cloister- and we were lucky our first God was a she.

These villagers are gonna be witness to the ultimate test of cerebral fitness- we're gonna prove our God Mask's the best. We get our kicks above the waistline, sunshine ('cuz it's a punch).
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No. 289618 ID: a0d5fc
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289618

Now we have developed a DNA based computational language, look at what that means, at the physical process by which the DNA binds together, A to T and C to G. This versatile molecule can do more than calculate and store information, it can be a structural element in of itself, or be used as a tool and scaffolding to assemble other stringer materials. Try producing long winding threads of DNA, and then wrapping them together so they form a long, thin tube, and then to winding it into sheets from which you can weave origami to produce any shape you require. 

With this as a foundation, you can begin to grow the carbon nanotubes that Mordre described the Planet God he faced as having. The simplest application of these are to build long reinforcements for your bones, as well as a chain mail of square links of nanotube beneath your skin, so you no longer need to wear a monstrous form to armour yourself. From there, you can move onto much more complex constructions, experimenting with the nanotubes to produce the basic elements of computation. 

One day you will be the God of the Punch, He-Who-Punches-Worlds, but to do that, you need to be able to stand and grow by your own efforts. At the moment you are dependent on Figment to upgrade your runes should you need to, you must do better. You are a mastery of Curiatomancy, but you do not understand how your own body works. For now, the runes engraved throughout you are a mystery to you. Can you let this challenge go unanswered? You have what you need to be their master rather than just the unknowing recipient of their largesse – you can do this, and beat the knowledge into your brain – even if it resists mightily! With the DNA manipulation abilities you have just developed, not to mention your mastery of the Golgi complex you can make molecular runes of whatever form you desire, and thank to Phohn, Arkus and Kyorto's knowledge of the subject is available wherever you go. 

Above all this, you owe Keddic for teaching you of White Blood, and by developing these self creating molecular runes you can finally return the favour – and possibly even get one up on him. 

Just think, the pinnacle of the art of Runing is yet to be found. One day you shall write the Punch Rune! Before then, you need to beat the first theoretical steps, then to learn how to imprint a rune into an opponent with your blow, and then how to create cancer cells that spill out proteins formed into the shape of destructive, entropic runes to punch them from the inside out. 

Whilst you consider this with some part of your mind, a fraction of your capability can be used to plan your actions now you have come home. You need to complete your scarf, and face the champion of the Masked Warriors. Why not punch out two birds with one fist? Publicly challenge into to a competition to collect the most masks? This will draw Belief to you, as the public perceive you as being on an equal level to him, and should weaken him by the same factor. 

In order to improve your harnessing of Belief, contemplate those organisms that have proteins containing metals that resonate with Belief. Simply dig into the soil beneath you and look at the microbes there. The body needs nitrogen, so why not fix it yourself, incorporating vanadium and molybdendum into your metabolism. Think back to the more complex snake venoms you have encountered, that actually digest their victim, that contain enzymes based around cobalt and zinc. More importantly, every cell in your body will contain cobalt based enzymes, for one of the essential vitamins (B12) is based around it, an essential part of DNA replication and many other processes. Normally, humans, plants and animals cannot create this molecule, only bacteria can, but why be so limited. 

Examine all these metal containing enzymes, and examine their functions, and how they work. Devote your vast computational capacity to the task, and deploy your new DNA solvers in earnest for the first time. Now, consider that both gold and platinum are far stronger catalysts than the metals currently used in these processes, but it has not been properly harnessed biologically. Nature clearly does not punch hard enough. Bang will. Once more deploy your vast calculating arrays to working out how to integrate these two precious metals into these reaction pathways, and both upgrade them and make them harness Belief. 

You should also try to fully examine a Dragon, to see if they have biological adaptations that aid in their harvesting of Belief.
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No. 289684 ID: a76809

>>289519
As I get ready to speak-I get to wondering-what is the dividing line between Curatiomancy and Pomumancy? Both have cellular structure that share certain common traits, both are alive-there is a whole mess of overlap, to the point-

"So-don't suppose anyone knows if Curatiomancy and Pomumancy are really just parts of a grander healing whole? As in, not seperate styles of magic, but one grand school of life manipulation?"
...
"Anyone? Looking for commentary here people. No? Alright, probably too much Belief tied up in that assumed distinction. ANYWAY-"

>>289522
"What town is this?"
>"Greedna."
"RIGHT-"

>>289523
"So what have the God Masks been up to recently? Any news?"
>"After half their numbers disappeared in a single day, the Masked Warriors hunted down everyone but their leader-"
>"Say-forgive me asking, but what Masked Warrior are you?"

>Oh no.
OH YES, INTRODUCTION TIME!

"MAGNUM BANG THE HUMAN DYNAMO, CRACKER OF CASTLES, SMASHER OF SIEGES, ANNIHILATOR OF ARMIES, OWNER OF THE SCARF-MASK, ADORNED BY THE RED EYE OF THE DYNAMO! BANG MAGNUM, MASKED WARRIOR!"

On the heels of my riotous clamor I quiet down and continue without missing a beat.

"At your service-any evil doers need a good punching?"

The crowd surges as one forward-while I may not be known by appearance, I sure as shit am known by name. Aw yeah, crowd surfing time!

Half an hour later, after significantly decreased the amount of alcohol in Greedna, I consider what all I have learned-

-The Masked Warriors have no clue who the actual head honcho of the now defunct God Masks is. No wonder they can't find him. Not even a description.
-They are however constantly issuing warnings saying the person is in a general area, demanding residents to bar themselves inside-if they don't know who he is, how can they be tracking him?
-To the north-north-east two hundred miles away is the closest Masked Warrior stronghold, by the name of MuscleMartial Coliseum. They have an aged Mask Maker there-I could get some answers from them.
-To the northwest, one hundred miles away is a zone with a God Mask Leader warning out. Zone is about fifty miles across and includes seven towns.
-To the south some eighty miles, the Ever-Masked, STILL Champion, has issued a call for challengers to the title of 'Strongest Masked Warrior'

Okay... I can work with that.

>>289618
As I astound and amaze by guzzling massive amounts of alcohol and filtering my blood flow so well I drink dozens of times a lethal dose, my mind wanders....

...Hm. DNA is really just really tiny string pairs... I could weave them together, make longer threads-wouldn't be very strong. Now CARBON, on the other hand, already present in a normal human body-THAT can get to have quite astounding tensile strength. If I used some DNA threads as the base....
>You do realize that if your numbers are right you could thread these in your bones and outclass the vast majority of mundane materials-of course you do, its your own brain-you make it look so easy, but just to come up with that theory, you ran through just shy of a billion calculations, exhaustively looking for ways to tweak your initial plan-and you did that in one second.
Be fair, it was 1.020189 seconds!
>Bang-have you ever thought about why you can do that?
Have I ever thought about being able to breathe, or liking punching? Same answer to the question.
>But others breathe-even like punching, to match your example-but I have never heard of someone as capable in the field of calculation as you-from where does that knack hail?
How about... instead, I work on these carbon... micro-tubes, and throw in with that-
>You are trying to cross-reference between microbial life and the genetic archives of the sphere to make your body capable of creating metals for chemical and warfare use-
The human body has iron already, as well as other metals-I'm just expanding the list, the amount, and what they're used for. Plus, more stuff to demo before I teach the students! Hey-hey, maybe that one girl, whatsherface... Gililna, that was it-she would be all over metal growing, she loves fighting with blades, this would totally match!

Fine, fine-I shall drop the topic for now. So. Where are you going to go? You said you were going to get the secrets of Masks-but as you are not an accredited Masked Warrior, they may refuse you entry-I know the Champion can do as they please-and bringing them the leader of the God Fists would also practically guarantee you entry.





So many things to punch.... what should I do, should I go straight to the MuscleMartial Coloseum, or should I hunt down the God Mask leader or the Champion beforehand?
As I work to weave carbon microtubes into my exoskeletal armor, are there any particular things I should be aware of?
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No. 289686 ID: d4f98d

>>289684
So...your dad is around building...SOMETHING, to challenge Leatherface, and he's taking out Masked Warriors to do so.

In that story that was shared with the Red Eye, Bangs mother ran into something that she couldn't handle without Cerebral Zenith'ing. You think it might have been LEatherface? Would explain why your dads after him with such...fanaticism.
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No. 289688 ID: 259738

>>289684
Go after the leader of the God Masks. You have a distinct advantage when it comes to hunting someone like that down. You can see magic. If they are using some kind of stealth magic you might still be able to hunt them down.
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No. 289690 ID: 2aed7f

Keep Leatherface for your father.

I say you go to seek out the leader of god masks and then go to Masked Warriors.

Hey ... more info on Gililna,
And any other notable students from Ark. Would be handy to know the Hero material from Ark.

Also, what does Red Eye think of all this? I mean the Sphere, the god status that Mordre got?
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No. 289691 ID: d3dfb8

About the nanotubes, are you using Single Walled or Multi Walled?
I recommend Multi Walled, as it's conductive and can be used to channel your electric attacks.
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No. 289696 ID: 63fc62

>>289684
Well, that narrows our choices down- God Mask leader is the first person we pay a visit to. Off to the warning zone we go, but before we do: How do we know the Masked Warriors succeeded in cutting down the remaining God Masks? Last time we were here Desmonte alone was capable of repelling entire squads himself- Does the possibility not exist that the remaining God Masks merely faked their own death and are currently recruiting more fell masks to their cause? We should totally look into that while we're on the leader's trail.
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No. 289720 ID: 21e57a

God Masks need to be reminded that we are the only God who where's a Mask around here! Go kick there ass. Start doing some badass 'tell him I'm coming' thing, that'd be awesome. Just start walking toward the last know location...Oh! Yeah, masks-Scarf...that a good idea or not? Because if we're just gonna get attacked by the Heroic Masks, maybe we should just stuff the Scarf-of-Masks into our pants, you know for safe keeping.
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No. 289761 ID: 867af1

I guess the calculation ability might be a side effect of the constant self-curiomancy. Most people only use a fraction of their brain and their neurons die or lose the connection between them. The Bang Brain is kept from regressing and it is constantly improving and learning. All those times you've had cancer sprout? Maybe some brain cells happened to grow in the right places and were subconsciously kept while the detrimental ones were discarded.
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No. 289773 ID: 6a1753

Claim your belt so that you will have to worry less about trying to convince the masked warriors to let you in there fort.
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No. 289830 ID: bbd32e

I'm going to say go to the Muscle Colliseum. Sure, you're not technically a Masked Warrior, but you have the Mask, she accepts you, and you could probably kick their asses. That counts for something.

The God Mask in hiding that they somehow know is in the area... that sounds strange. Intel first, as strange as that sounds to Bang.

Hell, maybe the God Mask in question is Boom.

Plus... Muscle Colliseum! How awesome is that name? It conjures images of manly men (in masks) doing manly things. You should come back later with Flexrick in tow.
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No. 289840 ID: 86647c

Does the town you reside in also fall into the general area where the god mask leader is supposed to be?

If so, you could start searching for him.

But don't search for openly expressed magical aura, if he was not hiding it he would shine like a beacon to your senses.
No, search for the opposite. Look for people who which are too general, too mundane. People with some kind of soul/magical irregularities.
Look for places which have wards and protection which force you to ignore them.

If he isn't actually hiding himself like I think, then it shouldn't be too hard to spot him with your powerful, augmented vision.

Now that I think of it.
Kaisra magical vison is way more powerful than Bangsm innit? Ummm... can't we, like, pull out her eyes and have Bang and Mordre regenerate them back and then have Bang analize them and upgrade hi eyes?
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No. 289863 ID: 68057c

As you weave your canotube armour, discard your exoskeleton. The keratin it is made of is only a microscopic fraction as strong as a subdermal nanotube matrix. Why advertise your armour to your enemies by wearing an inhuman shape when you can hide it beneath a layer of skin.

When building the armour, make sure that each individual tube does not cross any joints. The nanotubes are very inflexible, and you do not want to immobilise yourself. As you build the flat arrays of tubes that make up the armour on the surface, consider the chance that blunt force truma will push the array through you, grating you, or someone will tear the sheets away. To prevent this, grow nanotube tethers/braces perpendicular to your armour right through to the sheets on the opposite side.

As you fold the nanotubes together, consider that they can helicity, like DNA - when you follow a line of atoms around the tube, you don't have to get back where you started, they can form a spiral. Experiment with the conductivity of tubes of this type.

After doing this, try replacing your electroshock systems with nanotubes for both the conductors and capacitors. Also try creating retractable nanotube claws that serve as injectors for cancer cells as well as electrical contacts.
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No. 289877 ID: f6360f

>>289863
The exoskeleton gives Bang the surface area that he needs to regenerate magic faster, as I recall. A purely subdermal matrix, however strong, won't be able to match that capability simply because it's limited by the volume of his body.

I suppose he could simply grow larger. In fact, Bang could probably just inflate himself to roughly the size of a Rageglut, filling his interior with all kinds of nasty organs and magical regeneration boosters, and thereby become even more kick-ass than he is now. He's certainly got strong enough substances to use for his muscles and such that they could support it and indeed get better by doing so. He'd probably have to eat a herd of cows or something to do it, though.

The only question is, does Bang want to be as gigantic as he is awesome?
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No. 289883 ID: b00bec

Carbon nanotubes are great conductors, and by introducing a few tiny impurities into them, they can be switched on and off by the voltage of other nanotubes. You certainly don't need us to explain how to exploit that property to make a computer out of your subdermal armor, and increase your calculating ability even further. The same thing can be done with flat sheets of carbon, but those are a little more fragile. It'll be far more compact than DNA computation. Still probably not as efficient as grey matter, but able to fit many more places. You could also make your armor self-repairing by encoding it at intervals with the curatiomantic equations to restore itself, making these portions communicate with one another across via the nanotube lattices, and run the repair magic if communication ever stops.
As long as you are upgrading your calculating ability, you should probably upgrade storage as well. You could eliminate the possibility of losing important memories by encoding backups in your DNA.

>your magical computations... they remind me too much of things I'd rather left forgotten
Your wife is genuinely concerned about you, Bang. But more importantly, you're on an awesome journey of REdiscovery! You should really ask her what she was referring to there. (Politely.) Maybe the origin of your incredible computational abilities will turn out to be tied up in that better-left-forgotten history! Then again, maybe it's just lots of practice.

>>289877
I'd be for it. Maybe as a second stage of the combat form he's in presently, not a permanent thing.
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No. 289941 ID: a76809

>>289686
The lack of word about my pops worries me a bit-not because I think something happened to him, but because, given he was actively hunting Masks to stitch together and make.... SOMETHING, the lack of word points to something big on the horizon. ...Ultimately, that means it can wait-hell I might face his big thing with a true God Mask and the Forever Rising Scarf-that's TWO badass things, top that shit dad!
>I am not certain words exist to describe any patterns to your thoughts.
Pssh, I do what I feel is optimal in any given situation-and I heavily factor in my own sense of rule of cool to determine satisfaction levels-very important for total optimization. From my point of view, I am operating at peak psychological and emotional performance-everyone else is limiting themselves with too many schema. Just find a way to do what you like, and have fun doing it-plain and simple.
>Others would differ-not all can do what you can.
What are you talking about, I was a sickly little shit up till puberty, scrawny as hell-I found a way to take my small body and make myself a living weapon-
>How many can do that?
Everyone, given the opportunity and the correct guidance.

>>289761
I mean really, I only came fully into my calculating power through a decade of exhaustive effort-this is the fruit of labor, baby!
>It just seems a stretch, that you could have gotten THAT capable at calculation under such conditions.
Whatever, you just can't handle my greatness-ON WITH THE BANG TRAIN!

>>289691
...Oh right.
My Scarf, previously at near full power, drops to three quarters charged as I add depth to my carbon tube mesh within my bones-one single layer becomes multilayered-twenty six layers, to be precise. Each set of microscopic chain forms a defensive wall, all run in parallel throughout every nook and cranny. ...Okay, I think I may be able to cold clock some more durable things now-hell, if I'm reading this right, I'll have much more power for offense, as I will need to spend less time preventatively healing myself from a range of injuries and stressors.
>You do realize that in that 'idle moment' you ran two point three hundred million separate magical calculations, correct?
I can in fact count, yes.

>>289688
>>289690
>>289696
>>289720
I am so stoked to go hunt down that last God Mask, oh man the punching is going to be sweee-

>>289830
...Eh, dammit. I had really hoped the results would be different, or the equation took longer.
>Bang?
I performed a statistical analysis of all known values I have access too-there is a 57% chance old man Boom is the leader of the God Masks. They were actively claiming masks-something he is said to be doing-and have a shadowy leader that is somehow tracked without being known-or is a famous name from the past the Masked Warriors don't want the people to know has gone so far rogue-it doesn't fit perfectly, and it isn't the only explanation-but it fits, and better than anything else I can yet determine.
>....So what then?

...MuscleMartial Coloseum-but I got a guest I have to bring-and we gotta go in style!
>What are you-really, really?
You know it, now just sit back and watch!

Phohn, I need a couple things......




.....................................................................................................................

>[Ulzrick]".........So what exactly was so important you had to grab me an hour after I had gone to sleep?"
"Sleep is for the weak, don't be a sheep, stay on your feet, there's people to meet, faces to beat!"
>[Ulzrick]"Am I delirious or did you just say that?"
"And... hey, we're actually here-YO NINDY, HERE IS GOOD-WANNA LAND IN STYLE?"

An eye as large as my torso turns to look at Ulzrick and I indignantly-and narrow.

Oh, this is gonna be good-
>Why do you always do this-

Nidhogg's head rears back as I see the magical tunnel, the glowing and intertwined lights of Gravimancy and Aeromancy forming a superheavy vacuum, a paradox of a barrel-

Along which to hurl her draconic acid fireball-MAN, I wish I could do that, but Nindy won't let me eat her.....

The sphere, about twenty feet across if you count the full reach of the flames, spreads into a disk that screams into the ground, melting sand-

Nidhog lands amidst a smoking, still semi-molten crater of glass, idly snorting as she rolls her shoulders-I grab Ulzrick's collar and we jump off, landing before a trio of Masked Warriors midway into putting up a fighting posture.

"What, is it punching time now? I mean that's cool, but I was kinda here because I wanted to see about maybe getting the dude with magic muscles here a Mask-maybe learn a bit more about the hunt for the God Mask leader, since I did drop half their ranks in one night a while ago-name's Bang, by the by. So-which way to your Mask-makers, your leaders, or your fighting pit? Really, I'm good with any."

The red, blue and yellow masked warriors continue to stare at me, and at the massive, smoked glass crater before their gates

"Oh yeah!"

I put my arm around Ulzrick's neck, needing to extend my arm to do it, before I've caught the big guy in a headlock within my bone-encased arms.

"This here is Ulzrick, said dude with magic muscles."

They continue to stare at me without reacting, even as I hear shouts from within.


...The gates ARE open....





Should I just walk in, or should I actually try and do this properly and follow... follow protocol and... and regula...zzzzzzzz.
Hm? It's almost like I was boring for a moment.
So what should I do?
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No. 289942 ID: d3dfb8

Well, Ulzrick is sleep deprived at the moment due to our AWESOMEBANGYNESS!
Give a bro some healing.
He's probably going to need it if he want's to be a masked warrior.
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No. 289948 ID: 63fc62

>>289941
Go in, shouting almost always means something good is happening.
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No. 289959 ID: bbd32e

"IT'S BANGIN' TIME!"

Anyway, it's time to charge in. I'd like to try out the Pomumancy/Curatiomancy-is-one-and-the-same thing. Remake your body into something similar to the sap from the Para rubber tree. Hyperelastic, and resistant to damage in a different way than your bone armor, it gives but takes no damage from blunt force (so might be especially good for your internal organs) Extend arms to either side of the door. Make like a slingshot. Drag Ulzrick and the three Masks along for the ride.

Ulzrick: Whyyyyyyyyy!
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No. 289967 ID: 1c27be

Introductions are done. These Masked Warriors are LAME, time to find some more talkative ones.

>So what should I do?
Hey, this is a big coliseum, right? As in, open-air? Well, if you want to get in there fast, why use the front gate at all? Just shout OH YEAH! and leap the walls, landing in the fighting pit inside. Mind the gladiators, don't want to squash any. Don't forget to bring Ulzrick! Try to make sure he lands on something soft to break his fall, like a mudpit if they have one, or a big lion. Lions are fuzzy, right?
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No. 289968 ID: f6360f

>>289942
>Well, Ulzrick is sleep deprived at the moment due to our AWESOMEBANGYNESS!
>Give a bro some healing.
Or just cook up an adrenal shot or some other kind of crazy stimulant and inject it into him. He'll doubtless thank us later, when he's got a mask and is awesome.


>They continue to stare at me without reacting
These people are terrible. Evolve an organic megaphone and repeat your request for directions at them much more loudly. If they fail to reply, then just start walking past and tell Nindy to keep herself amused while you're gone.
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No. 290024 ID: 1854db

Just walk in. Act like it ain't no thang. Don't kill anybody.
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No. 290043 ID: 6a1753

Bang: "Peoplethatsayicancomeinsayswhat!?"
Warriors: "what?"
Bang: "THANKS"

Grab Ulzrick and jump OVER the gates and into tha place. Land in the Arena, Intro your self, Beat up EVERYONE, but leave some for Ulzrick. Ask where head honcho is or maybe just where the mask maker is, go there.
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No. 290060 ID: 28c987

You know
somehow I don't think that chraging in and beating everyone to submission is exactly the right to procedure of getting a Mask.


also, the danger of insane masks eating the users mind probably would not apply to Ulzick. More likely it would be vice-versa, Ulzrick&Co will overpower the mask very easy.

Hmm, maybe Leatherface is also a Mental Dreamer? Could be the reason why he subdued an Ancient Mask.
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No. 290072 ID: 21e57a

>Should I just walk in, or blahblahblahboringtlakblah...zzzzzzzz.

Yeah, I know what we gotta do. Stride in like we own this place! Arm around Magic Muscles and laugh! Because you're gonna become GOD MASK TAG TEAM BROTHERS! Like El Santos and the Blue Demon, man. Oh yeah, Phohn Keddic too. He’s big, and tough, and been your bro for ages. THREE MAN MASK TEAM ASSEMBLE! El Santos, The Blue Demon, and Mil Máscaras! Actually, make Ulzrick Mil and Keddic can be The Demon and you can be the pinnacle of AWESOME, EL SANTOS.

Anyway, teah, walk in like we Own This - an seriously, what part of it should we own, because we really could, couldn't we - talk to Ulzrick about what he's been doing and what kinda of AWESOME MASK he wants and high five the guards. Don't explode their hands unless you're sure you can heal it like, the picosecond that – yeah, see if we can, because that would be awesome! Exploding his hand, and there’s still a hand there! If we can't, we need to start working on healing faster, and via contact. Mmhm. Now, we should be able to make fireworks with our own body chemistry, right? Start getting some fireworks going. Have one righteous intro. And sing your theme song, too!

Oh, yeah, we forgot introductions! INTRODUCTIONS! And this stuff is probably gonna inspire belief, too. Let these guys know just who MAGNUM BANG is! And who ULZRICK, OGRESWORDMAN is…does Ulzrick have any cooler titles? Eh, make some up for him if not.

>>290043
Oh yeah, do this to avoid ALL LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS. The ‘guardsthatletmecomeinsaywhat’ line, not the leaping. Because you gotta Marvel at what’ll be The HALL OF PUNCH eventually.
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No. 290075 ID: a9629e

Oh, and when it comes to Ulzrick's mask, try and see if they can make sure he gets a female one. His mind is a total sausage fest right now, ya know?
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No. 290087 ID: d3dfb8

>>289959
Add a layer of it underneath your armor, like how people wear leather underneath their fullplate, to soften the impact of blunt weapons.

>>290072
>fireworks
Collect a deposit of potassium inside your body, DON'T LET IT TOUCH WATER. Form an airtight dissolvable layer around it then launch it up in the air with a large amount of water.
When the water dissolves the layer it'll hit the potassium creating a chemical reaction that releases a lot of heat and hydrogen. The hydrogen will then be ignited by the heat of the reaction and you've got yourself an explosion. Sodium can also be used for this.
Potassium will add a violet-pink color to the sparks, whereas sodium will make a bright yellow that masks other less intense colors.
Apply liberal healing of the air to amplify the reaction effects.
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No. 290138 ID: 6a1753

Bang, this is a very odd trick i want you to copy, but only you can do it. The State as it stands is 2 mil in debt, and before it can truly start growing again it must be rid of it. You have made great contributions to this in growing and caring for the Ark's surpluses foods, but the state is still only just crawling out. What it needs right now is more export products, the more unique the better. Bang you are in the power to make a VERY unique and valuable commodity.

In your journey to and from the WALL i am sure you encountered oysters. Oysters are special to human society in that they produce lustrous pearls coveted by many for a great many reasons. Aside from the obvious wants from the rich they have a great many applications: Several fine food dishes use ground up pearl as an ingredient. Other rare and powerful medicine use pearls as well.

Pearls are formed when oysters take in a foreign bit of rock that they cannot expel and a small bit of the meat of a another oyster. The oyster then proceeds to form a shell around the bit of rock, Harding their own living tissue around it turning it to stone. The processes takes years for a truly beautiful pearls to form and its size is determined by the age and health of the oyster witch is delicate to say the least.

Bang I want you to make pearls, in the time it would take to make one the size of your thumb would take years, in the time it would take to make one the size of a coin, Decades. You could do it in days, Or hours, or minutes, of this i am unsure.

Turn flesh to stone Bang. Grow marvels as you do with your garden from your own form. Make pearls that would make all who see it weep in it's light, and out weigh in wealth of entire kingdoms. For no other reason, do this for the challenge.

You are Magnum Bang, go punch bad economy in the face.
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No. 290232 ID: a76809

>>289959
I extend my arms to either side of me, the twenty foot long limbs ensnaring the onlooking trio and Ulzrick in one fell hug-in fact, I'd call it a DIRE hug.
>Is that really all you do, amuse yourself?
Counter-question: If you boil down reasoning in all other conditions, does it not ultimately stem from self interest? Sure other layers may be the perceived focus, but I assume the total psyche would in some way be aware of this fundamental truth no matter how altruistic the cause may appear. This is actually why I think I should make time to have a sit-down with Mordre soon-
Anyway, back to the whole dragging-four-dudes-through-the-gates?

>>289967
Wait, better idea!

Five feet from passing under the massive stone walls I realize the massive cake-like building is open air-a coloseum in fact not just in name.

I spring from ground hardened far beyond steel, the perfect brace-

The five of us come a few meters a second short of the sound barrier-just barely cresting thirty-and I find myself having to rely on Red Eye to enhance my 'blind' healing of other bodies, making my passengers able to take it-

Ah-ha, Ulzrick doesn't need my help-what the hell is he doing, its like...no, it IS. He's taken the electromagnetic patterns of his sword-that Gravimancy and summat stuffed blade-and pulled it into his own body-since I know he practices Magnetomancy, and I've come to recognize the feel of it, I label it for what it is-he's actually made himself, magnetically speaking, one with his weapon-resisting the gravitational forces at work like a boss!

All this before we crest the coliseum's two hundred meter tall walls, my eyes given several openings through that vast divider at the massive pit within-and I have mapped out the visible residents. I have established a few safe landing spots-
So one foot after cresting that massive wall-
>Bang!
I see him, two feet to my left-he hasn't processed what he's seen yet-I'll be gone before he's done.

I reach out again, my scarf's regeneration reversed as I yet again heal together a few dozen cubic meters of air-the perfect angled boost.

I kick off, this time not so forcefully, carefully plotting my landing point-

>>290043
>>290060
I land with a combined weight of thirteen hundred eighty one kilograms traveling at thirteen meters per second, hardening the ground a half-inch below the surface for a hard landing-the vibrations kicking up an instant dust storm around me. I snap open my one arm, unfurling and slinging away the now rousing and thoroughly confused fighters as I try to make a more tactful entrance.
>Wait, you will?

As the trio passes beyond the pall of smoke, I shout out a blaring, precise proclamation.

"PeoplethatsayIamofficiallyrecognizedasaMaskedWarriorsaywhat?"

Wait for it-

>[Hapless Masked Warrior that will never ever live it down]"...What?"

"ALRIGHT!"

The dust finally beginning to settle down, I leap out, Ulzrick content to simply wait for his moment to shine rather than resist-smart lad, I trained him well-wait is he sleeping again!?
>I do believe he is.

Just as I land before some two dozen Masked Warriors, those closest to me having the glow of some very decent magic about them, I shake Ulzrick as I would a child, shouting in the same manner.

"ULZRICKWAKEUPWAKEUPULZRICKWAKEUP-"
>[Ulzrick]"...Eh?"
"Good enough!"

I set down Bang as if four people, who in pairs would already prove entertaining were all ready to rumble in tandem.

"SO, since I took out half the God Masks in one night, that was really just a formality-OBVIOUSLY I'm a Masked Warrior, as who else could have beaten so many foes? With the legality of the thing addressed with personal invitation to entry-which, under the Masked Code section 3, article F, paragraph five, stipulates 'any who has performed the duties of a Masked Warrior that bears a Mask to be so named and welcomed'. So, with THAT-"

I plop down Ulzrick in front of me as many among the Masked Warriors and several of the robed monks that work as assistants gape, and the disciples stare in utter confusion as I just keep rolling.

"-Taken care of, this here is Ulzrick-a war hero from up north, a warrior that fought alongside his brother to beat down an Immortal, and a brawler with some very literally magical muscles. He quite CLEARLY needs to become a Masked Warrior-hell I bet he could already stomp all over at least half the Masked Warriors in here!"
-Well, seventy point five seven percent sure he could talk care of the lesser half of the total Masked Warriors here-
"Probably should be some crazy purple type thing, go with that sword of his-so yeah, who specifically should I talk to about this?"

One of the four Masked Warriors before me begins to speak-and stops, the quartet as one stepping to neutral stances-

I turn around to a presence I could not detect with electromagnetic reception, magic sensing, pressure sensing and three-dimensional passive echo-location.
>Their magic is of a form you would have trouble percieving, considering your alignment.
Wha-ah, Chaos/Order... Order magic? Just straight up?
>From what I can tell, it appears Order inclined conventional magic-essentially making it a form of stealth magic with weak armor-piercing abilities-you know I don't think you ever really-
Used the Chaos in my body with my Curatiomancy for Chaos inclined magic. That's true, I haven't, hadn't even really considered it-wonder what that would do?

The DUO that I can only see mundanely stand before me once I turn about, in paired costumes designed as one another's counterpoint. Where one is lighte, slender and graceful, clothed in naught but layers and layers of woven strips of silk and cashmere, her mask artfully stitched to resemble a scarred face, so that at first glance she wears none at all-the other is a titan that dwarfs Ulzrick and would tower over Keddic-likely even Lorgk-clad in a few heavy metal plates, his leather Mask housed in a great steel helm that gives him the air of a titanic gladiator.

The one that speaks is the smaller, her voice dry and cutting.

>"So, we, a group dedicated to UNARMED combat, should accept a [i]swordsmen into our ranks-who are you to re-weave the ways of the Masked Warriors?" >"[code]YES,"
says the giant beside her, his voice like gravel rumbling over an anvil.
>"WHAT GIVES A MAGNUM THE RIGHT TO BREAK OUR RULES? UNLESS YOU SAY THIS LAD COULD DO WHAT YOU CLAIMED LACKING HIS SWORD?"
"...Well Ulzrick, what do you say?"
>[Ulzrick]"Uh-"
"OH YEAH HE IS GOOD TO GO-I stand by my prior claim-he could take them.[/i][/b]"

It is at this moment he nods back off again-just what is keeping his head stuck so firmly in dreamland right now?

>"Then have your would-be comrade do as you claim he can-of the twenty six Masked Warriors here, if he can fell thirteen without his weapon-he shall be allowed amongst us-it seems only fair to ask him to live up to your boast-we know nothing of him save what you've told us-let us SEE."

Well they have me there.

Okay
>Bang Ulzrick isn't-
You have access to my memories-but you don't know Ulzrick like I do. He can do it..... current odds of 37 in one hundred for success, but it just doesn't matter.

The dazed Ulzrick, still partly asleep, does nothing as an opportunistic Masked Warrior steps in heavily, body pulling strength from the earth, World magic funneling a Geomantic bit of combat magic, Ulzrick's body bending back like a spring under the onlsaught-

And stopping dead still just shy of being toppled, so swiftly a swirl of dust arises about them-

As Ulzrick's skin begins to turn red, and steam begins to climb from his skin-

The Masked Warrior pulls back his arm in pain, contact area scalded through his largely offensive magical working-

As a steaming fist rises from that bent bodied form, an awkward angle backed with monstrous power-

The Masked Warrior is knocked back some thirty feet, only stopped as he is caught by other warriors-

A steam-burn of punch-mark emblazoned on his bare chest, a brand he will wear for a long time without the aid of healing-

Ulzrick slowly straightens, eyes still lidded-soul still dreaming. Sleepwalking is ordinary and boring-sleep reactive fighting? THAT... I like.

I am so confident in him I don't even need to watch, turning a smug look on the duo as I wonder-





Just what should I say to these two that seem to be head honchos around here?
If I plan to try directly Chaos-infused Curatiomancy-just what should I try to do?
What kind of radical purple mask should Ulzrick get (Cloth/Leather, picture, whatever)?
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290245

>Just what should I say to these two that seem to be head honchos around here?
"Hey! I'm BANG MAGNUM, THE HUMAN DYNAMO, ANNIHILATOR OF ARMIES, SMASHER OF SIEGES, CRACKER OF CASTLES! I don't break the rules I PUNCH THEM!"

And Chaos-Healing...Hell, first lets see if we can add ORDER EYESIGHT! to our awesome eyes!

And as for mask, image but instead of Black, Dark Purple.
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No. 290249 ID: 5b95eb

>>290245
>ORDER EYESIGHT
>Order in Bang
>KABOOOOOM

nope.
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No. 290254 ID: 21e57a

>>290249
No, using Chaos Healing to Create EYES THAT SEE ORDER!
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No. 290260 ID: f88f02

>Just what should I say to these two that seem to be head honchos around here?
"I hope you watch closely. Blink and you'll miss what makes him so special."

>If I plan to try directly Chaos-infused Curatiomancy-just what should I try to do?

Infuse them blades, the VERY EDGES, with pure CHAOS. See what happens.

>What kind of radical purple mask should Ulzrick get (Cloth/Leather, picture, whatever)?
LEATHER. Swirling, multilayered purple leather, getting darker the closer the layers are to his face.
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No. 290261 ID: bbd32e

"Whatever, he'll be fine."

>"WHAT GIVES A MAGNUM THE RIGHT TO BREAK OUR RULES?"
"Hey, dad was a pretty awesome guy before he turned evil! Well, actually, he's still awesome, he just uses his awesome for evil. And mom was fine until she went crazy."

"Anyway, yeah, I'm a Magnum. Who are you two supposed to be?"

Once Ulz proves he is also pretty awesome, look into the Mask Maker, and what their latest intel on Boom is. It's time to track him down and beat him like a drum. And if he has his reasons, well... Magnums talk best with their fists, anyway.

> If I plan to try directly Chaos-infused Curatiomancy-just what should I try to do?
Order is equilibrium, chaos is change, yes? And Curatiomancy is, at root, the alteration of the body? Cancer isn't the only thing we can do.

So run your sticky fingers through their DNA by introducing recombinase enzymes. Introduce random sequences into your foe's genetic markers. Genetic recombination is another word for it.

Occasionally, this will result in beneficial mutations, but that is way less likely than the enemy ending up plagued by a whole host of horrible genetic disorders. Brittle bone disease. Sickle-cell anemia. Hemophilia. AIWS. The self-destructive Lesch-nyan syndrome. Ondine's curse, where if they forget to breath, they die. Alzheimers, for gods' sake. Bang could learn to make people do, think, forget, see or believe whatever the hell he wanted if he got good enough at those last few.

Give them synesthesia. Nobody is going to want to fight when they're tasting words and hearing colors.

Hell, if he can get into the chromosones he might be able to change people's genders.
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No. 290275 ID: 252e1b

>>290261

Don't interfere in the fight, this is Ulzrick's battle. You know he'll shine here.
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No. 290277 ID: a6ab09

>>290261
>Hell, if he can get into the chromosones he might be able to change people's genders.
I like how you think friend
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No. 290279 ID: 063973

>Just what should I say to these two that seem to be head honchos around here?
Be sure to mention your concerns about the damage multiple usages of Cerebral Zeniths might be doing to Eye; it is the motivation that started this particular trip.

> If I plan to try directly Chaos-infused Curatiomancy-just what should I try to do?
Chaos is the source most suited to directly making things, having a perpetually generating energy source, so perhaps infusing Chaos, even more so than the Chaos-by-way-of-Blood of Possibility Cells, into the magic-generating organs you based off of the Ark would allow you to increase total magic output even more? Given that, perhaps infusing Chaos into your brains and your nerves would allow you to react faster, and think faster as well.

>What kind of radical purple mask should Ulzrick get (Cloth/Leather, picture, whatever)?
...? Aren't the leather Masks the ones who interact with their wearers by nearly frying their brains, and therefore intensely dangerous due to the insanity caused? I am not quite sure Ulzrick needs to be more insane...

Also, once Ulzrick is done, it might be a good idea for Ozrick to be teleported in, so that the two brothers would match; Ozrick has that Dream stuff, and other Will-based magic that would probably allow him to best the Warriors here. Then, Ozrick and Ulzrick would be sort of like the the two facing you now, though more complementary, rather than opposing.
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No. 290304 ID: a9629e
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This is the mask Ulzrick should get. It's both purple and fits with the Ogre title. It should also be leather, since leather is supposed to be better and he's capable of overcoming any pish-posh mind control. Again, try and make sure it's female. And perhaps a little less nagging then yours. I mean, nagging wife is your mask. There can't be two nagging wife masks, can there?

And... wait a second. This whole fighting a bunch of them. Sure, he can overcome most of them, but are they allowed to zenith for this? Because if so, he's kind of screwed, isn't he?
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No. 290305 ID: d4f98d

Oh my god this is gonna be awesome. Kick some ass, Ulzrick.
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No. 290350 ID: d3dfb8
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No. 290407 ID: a0d5fc

Although Ulzrick can, of course, win, it's still a bit disappointing for the Masked Warriors to gang up on him in such a way. Perhaps he needs a little help form his friends.

You recently worked out how to create retroviruses to apply desired traits to your allies, and you can also implant your possibility cells in someone else to grow them new organs.

You should prepare a set of such cells containing your passive adjustments, and then fire them at Ulzrick, and give him a bit of an upgrade. Carbon nanotube subdermal armour and bone lacing, magic generating organ, enhanced armour, magic perceiving eyes, improved armour, and generally tweaked metabolism, Everything that doesn't need active Curiatomancy to maintain.

he won't know what's hit him. Boom Boom.

After all, you can always uninstall the upgrades later if he wants you to. But that won't happen.

You're great - it's only right to share your awesome with your friends.
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No. 290430 ID: 903f16
File 130092983772.jpg - (83.59KB , 643x815 , Ogre Mask.jpg )
290430

>>290232
>Just what should I say to these two that seem to be head honchos around here?
How about some nice idle conversation? What are your names? When was this place made? And DO YOU WANT TO WRESTLE?!?

>What kind of radical purple mask should Ulzrick get (Cloth/Leather, picture, whatever)?
I went searching around and found this. It's made of leather, purple, and fits Ulzrick's Ogre theme like some of the others.

>>290279
Why wait until Ulzrick is finished? Let's make this brawl truly awesome. Bring in Ozrick now and have him fight the half of the Masked Warriors that Ulzrick isn't fighting. It's not like we need to worry about him, he'll probably do even better than his brother will. His Dream Combat Magic is well suited for unarmed combat and he can't be hurt as long as Ulzrick pays attention every once and a while.
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No. 290431 ID: 903f16
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>>290430
Or we could use this, you know, if you want to get really nuts.
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No. 290438 ID: d4f98d

>>290430
My support to this Ogre mask for the Ogre Swordsman
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No. 290439 ID: 63fc62

>>290304
>>290430
I'd go for a combo of these, Ogre jaws = horns? YES PLEASE. Oh, and a space below the mouth so the mask can show off his MANLY BEARD.

And another thing, why wait for Ulzrick to beat these assholes up? Brofist him with so much force it knocks all 26 masked warriors out of the colliseum.
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No. 290440 ID: f88f02

>>290439
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No. 290444 ID: a76809
File 130093776676.jpg - (132.68KB , 900x1064 , Mask Forger and Mask Weaver.jpg )
290444

>>290254
[Figure out a way to perceive antimatter with an eye and you can, sure. Otherwise your chaos bias overcomes magical attempts.]

>>290260
"I hope you watch closely. Blink and you'll miss what makes him so special."
>"So the strength and heat at the cost of incredible amounts of internal fluids in instantly steaming sweat and massive caloric consumption is not the extent of his ability? I would be disappointed otherwise."

..Either she's very, very experienced with Curatiomancy, or she is exceptionally perceptive, magically or otherwise. And the big one?

>"....EVEN LACKING HIS SWORD, HE IS WORKING WITH MAGNETOMANCY-WHY, TO WHAT PURPOSE WOULD HE PURSUE THAT CATEGORY OF MAGIC NOW, WITH A NORMAL BLOOD IRON CONTENT?"
>>290261
"Whatever, he'll be fine."
>If I am reading your omnidirectional sensory data correctly, two Masked Warriors are now unconscious-but the others are more actively working together as a group. Eight total assault him at once, four replacing in waves so he cannot fell them with successive massive strikes. His focus on power over speed is now becoming detrimental
Indeed it is-same thing I had to deal with way back when. I found an answer that let me keep fighting how I wanted-so what will Ulzrick do?
>Massive Magnetomancy spike-something is mixed with the Will magic-

I see the silk-wrapped Masked Warrior and the gladiatorial leather Masked Warrior both stiffen-before the towering one speaks again as I hear what sounds like a sledgehammer hitting a melon.

>"...ENOUGH, STUDENTS-
>"Yes, let your companions step forth-after all, he has only beaten two, he needs best ten more of the total population, is that not so? But fully half has not even participated."
>"WEAVER...."
"How many will face him together this time around? Since I've already dramatically turned around and all that."

As the titanic one chuckles, the one possibly titled Weaver speaks.

>[Weaver]"No more than two at a time-after all, this should be nothing to one that faced an Immortal, is that not so?"
>I feel sorry for her-she expects you to try to back out here.
Seriously? PFFFTHAHAHA
"That's absolutely right-so, while he's getting busy with that, I have a bone to pick with you all-come on, dad was an awesome guy before he went evil, a kickass Masked Warrior-Well actually he is still most certainly awesome-he IS Magnum Boom-he just uses the awesome for evil now. Sis is a completely competent and effective high-ranking military officer, and mom was fine until she went crazy-really, what's the problem with Magnums? And who are you two?"
>""I LIKE THIS ONE. ....MAGNUM BANG, MASKED WARRIOR FORGER STANDS BEFORE YOU-YOU HEARD WEAVER'S APPELATION-TELL ME, WHERE DID YOU FIND SUCH A PUPIL? TO MAKE THAT SLOW PLODDING COMBAT EFFECTIVE AGAINST MASSES-IT EVEN BEHOOVES HIM NOW AS HE FIGHTS SUCCESSIVE PAIRS. ROVING DURABILITY, USED OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY WHILE HE CONTINUES TO FIGHT-"
>>290304
>>290430
"Like an Ogre? Yeah I know, he's even got the title of the Ogre Swordsman-or Ogre Knight, depending on who you ask-from that war he was a hero in, in which he fought said Immortal, all while rescuing a van that had charged under the feet of a Mosmordren Soul Grave and cutting them a path the whole way back through an invading army. And I was there myself, in case you are wondering about the specifics I provide-actually I was thinking a purple Leather Mask, some worked horns, a big fanged maw-something stylish, you know?"
>[Weaver][i]"You would dar-"

>[Forger]"I CONCEDE YOUR CANDIDATE IS MOST PROMISING AND CAPABLE OF COMBAT-BUT WHAT MAKES YOU SO CERTAIN HE CAN WITHSTAND THE MENTAL ASSAULT OF A LEATHER MASK?
"WEHAHAHAHAHA-oh wait you were serious? BWAHAHAHAHAHA-"
>[Forger]"SUCH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE-I KNEW YOUR FATHER, BOY-I SEE YOU TOOK AFTER HIM. I HAVE MATERIALS IN MY SHOP, PREPARED FOR CRAFTING-I CAN MAKE HIS LEATHER MASK-'TWILL BE A MOST STYLISH PIECE, SINCE WITH HIM FIGHTING WITH HIS EYES SHUT, HE WILL HAVE NO NEED FOR EYEHOLES. A HORNED, IMPLACABLE OGRE WITH A MOUTH OF FANGS....."

The titanic Forger wanders off, still mumbling to himself in a gravelly rumble-while I turn to Weaver.

>>290279
"So anyway, I've had to do a few brief Cerebral Zenith's here and there-none longer than a second-and I'm wondering about how I can insulate my Mask from the side effects?"
>[Weaver]"............."
"Hello? Masked Warrior asking a fellow Masked Warrior, one implied responsible for cloth Masks like this one, how to keep a Mask safe?"
>[Weaver]"I hated your mother and your father-why should I even give you the time of day, spawn of those lunatics?"

Well that's not nice.

In fact I most certainly do not like it.

Going to have to do something about this.
>Bang! I-

........................................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: ULZRICK] ........................................................................................

This is an awesome dream. Started off so freaking real, Bang showing up to take me to some far-off place, but now? I'm fighting mages in a fistfight-look at those long-robed, frail-limbed pansies, HAH!

I've already put three of the flimsy buggers down, but they've been mobbing me-damned wizards and their spells!-and no some wizards with even frillier robes have stepped up, fighting me in pairs.


Oh man, Whack-A-Wizard is the best dream theme EVER!

But wait, a change? The pairs are backing off-even the other Ulzricks and Gelricks, busy pushing their Blood Iron onto my Dream body to grant me patches of metal skin on command-all pay attention.

The dream wavers, a black maw opening within my bright, frenzied landscape, a void through which a plethora of ropes explode and unwind, stretching all about my Dream-

A spindly mage with but one balefully glowing eye, beardless, wreathed in shadow, idly balances on one of the ropes.

SWEET, BOSS FIGHT!





....Oh shit, I can hear the Chaos Motes in my Dreams? That's never happened before-so, how should I waste this guy? And better, how can I make this dream as awesome as possible?
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No. 290447 ID: f88f02

Woaaaah we're in the Dream? AWESOME.
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No. 290451 ID: bbd32e
 

Out of curiosity, armor your foot and give the rope a kick. Does it hurt? Does it move oddly, or with the usual elastic give you'd expect of a wrestling ring?

We all float down here. And when you're with us, Ulzrick, you'll float too! I expect this guy is a high-flying luchador type, using the ropes for mobility. Well, the hell with him. You're metal! Eisenhardt up in this place, and float. The Gelricks are busy with your moving armor, but using your own magnetics and the Magnetomancy/Gravimancy of your sword it should work out.

> And better, how can I make this dream as awesome as possible?
See: Van Canto.

You've got the Voices, might as well put them to use. Ever tried speaking with more than one voice at once? Bet you can if you try. Through you, the Voices can have expression. Through them, your enemies will be humbled. Be the Man O' War.
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No. 290458 ID: d3dfb8

rolled 87 = 87

Ulzrick, I love you bro. Never change.

So far you've been using Flexrick simply to hit hard and hot, go for some teleporting strikes as you haven't yet displayed your tractomantic abilities.

HEY; REMEMBER WHEN YOU PUNCHED THAT ONE GUY LIKE FOUR TIMES AND HE TOTALLY WENT DOWN?
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No. 290459 ID: 5b95eb

wooaah shit man what the fuck's going on your dreams are trippy

fuckin' wizards man. Telepunch him in the face.
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No. 290462 ID: 903f16

rolled 12 = 12

>>290458
Seconding, for reasons that definitely DON'T include threats against my life.
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No. 290481 ID: a9629e

>>290451
This should totally be your themesong. You're both a soldier and a magnetomancer. A Man O' War and Metal. And it's suiting that you'd have several contrasting voices bringing emphasis to yours as you proclaim it to the world.
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No. 290490 ID: 354b07

rolled 75 = 75

huh...
Why wont Ulzrick wake up? Were you guys in middle of something when Bang called you?

Are other Ulzricks and Gelricks here?
I hope you know that this is not exactly a dream, you are fighting those people in real life too.
You said something about pulling iron into your dream body. What is that exactly?

Whoa, remember how your massive strenght and body didn't hinder your movements at all and you could fight at lightening speed?


Also, wake up man!
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No. 290494 ID: a9629e

>>290490
He's a dream mage in the middle of sleepwalking while having lucid hypnopompic hallucinations. We should NOT be waking him up for anything less than a dreameater
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No. 290526 ID: 588856

Hey, look, is that Dream Jezebel I see watching from the sidelines? She looks less surly than usual. She's barely even scowling. I guess she likes seeing wizards get pounded as much as you do!

You should incorporate more flexing of your crazy awesome muscles into your actions, all subtle-like! Show off a bit for the crowd of one currently watching. She'd enjoy that.

Heeey, there are ropes are everywhere, right? I bet you could strip off your shirt and start swinging and jumping all over the place like those Jungle Men people tell stories about. Remember to keep one hand on a rope all times, whenever possible. You're not gonna beat a stringy little wizard-guy in sheer agility, but with you strength and flexibility you should be able to hang onto ropes with ease. Watch out if he produces a blade, because he may start cutting ropes!

Haha, I bet that's this Boss's name! Stringy Wizard, 'cause he uses strings! That's awesome, man, your dreams have some great puns in them.
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No. 290541 ID: a0d5fc

Hey, wouldn't it be awesome if some of your other selves could join your party. You've never seen the Gelricks in action - wouldn't it be cool to see them cut loose and show these wizards who's boss. You're a Dreamer in a Dream, just make them have bodies here.
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No. 290572 ID: 461715

rolled 37 = 37

>>290490
secundan
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No. 290599 ID: bdd665

>>290490
hes kickin ass and having a awesome dream, theres no need to wake up.
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No. 290606 ID: 21e57a
 

>>290490
Dude, this is an awesome dream, why should we wake up? You hear that music starting up? That's final boss music if I've heard nothing hell! We're at the final boss fight, and look at all those fine babes in the audience!
Wait.
Bet you this asshole stole our girlfriend!
AND THESE GIRLS ARE OUR GIRLFRIEND!

FLEX YOUR SHIRT OFF!
METAL PUNCH HIM!
FLYING ELBOW!
IRISH WHIP!
POWER BOMB!
DOWN RIGHT FIERCE!
Drop this sucker! A WINNER IS YOU!

But, be careful! He could have a secret final form. Shoot his flashing parts to damage him then.

LIVES:5
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No. 290677 ID: d4f98d
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Attempt at eyeless, fanged mask
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No. 290703 ID: a76809
File 130103079369.png - (2.94MB , 1938x2271 , Masked Warrior perched on a rope.png )
290703

>>290447
> Woaaaah we're in the Dream? AWESOME.
Ain't it?

I see the First, reproachfully glaring-but forcing his Blood Iron to manifest upon me as well, as insubstantial in the dream as in life, even if now independent of my body.

>>290451
I have no need for words-the other 'Ricks understand, their collected wills acting as one-as my leg snaps forward, my toe armors in iron as I strike at the invading ropes-

With a twang that reaches down into my gut and feels oddly cathartic, the rope vibrates-but does nothing more-no trap hidden within, looks like? ...So what's this spindly wizard going to do? He's still just crouched there, atop a single line of rope, gangly limbs dangling, foppish hat flopping-and that one eye, stare oh so piercing, a baleful orb of white locked on me.

>>290458
>>290462
I see one of the earlier wizards coming up on my side-well, I don't see him, but one of the Gelricks do, which means I effectively see it-and with a knotting, rippling surge of muscle, my clenched, backhand-blow rips through the fabric of space, riding Flexrick's Muscle dimension to throw a powerful, iron-clad right full on into the face, no guard or preparation in the way-

The burning metal blow drops the would-be assailant in a single strike, even as my relaxing muscles snap my arm back into place-just in time for a bit of Dreaming within the Dream.

[87 vs 12, +77 MASSIVE BONUS, 75+/25- BONUS, IMMEDIATE PAST, MODERATE IMPACT-SUCCESS]

I remember striking out, a serious of full-power, muscle-porting, iron-clad straights delivered in a rapid quartet to the spindly, staring mage-

[REDACTION/REWRITE]

-I end up seeing ropes I hadn't noticed before, now beaten and burnt out of shape-with the spindly mage still unharmed. It is at this point, as I am reeling from his negation of my Redaction, that he strikes.

>>290459
> wooaah shit man what the fuck's going on your dreams are trippy
Fun though, right? I mean normally the crazy all-dimensions ropes going flying that the skinny wizard and I are racing along would be crazy, I might hesitate-but it's a dream, the fuck do I care? You can't lose in your own dream unless you want to, and honestly, after being a patient leader with the Domintus dudes... ah, feels nice to cut loose.

After some time spent dodge magic wrapped limbs flying my way on this riotous landscape, Iron deflecting those that come too close as I weather it all-

> fuckin' wizards man. Telepunch him in the face.
With GUSTO!

I reach into Flexrick again in a moment while I stand on a rope as thick as a house, throwing my whole twisting body behind a punch that will fally several feet short-as I reshape and compress my muscle-space into a cannon connecting me to my foe. I hurl my Iron-wrapped arm along the teleport path-

The skinny one-eyed wizard catches my fist before impact, both arms so heavily wrapped in magic I can barely see the stick figure mage-

Even as I notice the gaping void through which the wizard invaded is slowly breaking away, spreading into my now rope-infested dream, I consider that this is going to be a really fun fight.

This thought occupies me in the time it takes my body to finish the leap I began the moment my fist was launched. I arrive, my left hook slamming into the wizard's undefended temple, sadly unclad in Iron as I reconnect my other arm and chase after my foe-

A wall of ropes rises to block my way, coiling and twisting, bending rather than resisting-in short, an obstacle brute force is ill-suited to.

>>290606
>[Troy] FLEX YOUR SHIRT OFF!
Cloth shreds and rips away from me as my entire upper body bulges, skin tightening as I bring more muscle out of Muscle Space, growing stronger and stronger even as the steam gushes forth anew-I love that I can just imagine more water into my body to perpetually sustain the super sweat-as I wind back both fists, now aiding even Flexrick in contributing Blood Iron, all the metal gathering-

Twin iron fists backedbacked by multidimensional magic in my own Dream brun and blast their way through the wall, the fast-moving rope igniting from sheer friction burn as I leap through the cinders without hesitation.

From the slender wizard's belly comes an exploding cloud of shadowed tentacles, reaching out to engulf everything.

>[Troy] FLYING ELBOW!
I leap forward, my entire right arm sheathed in iron as I blow a hole straight through the manifold assaulting cloud.

>[Troy]POWER BOMB!
My arms fly out as my body spins, wrapping about the tendril-spewing gut as I arch back and we both crash to the ground, him head-first. I can feel the shock travelling up his spine-

Just as the void breaks away more of my dream, now fully half of my realm compromised as the pile-driven foe begins to rise.

>>290677
[FANART BONUS]
Okay really who keeps saying that I hear it every now and then-

I see a wizard as large as Mordre tossing something to me even as the eel-like fighter wriggles free, the roped landscape writhing to aid him.

My hand rises up and I catch-

Worked, layered purple leather, a full-faced mask with stark, implacable horns and a wide, yawning may-the wild mane of black and the bone-like, eyeless style of the object makes it look beastly, monstrous, powerful-I don't need to hear the others to know this holds magic. Besides, who needs to see within one's own dream? I can see what the other 'Ricks can see, and that's just about everything within some forty feet of me.

I put the mask on without a second thought.

The Dream rumbles about me as the 'Ricks are pulled in a jumbled, agitated mass back into my psyche, to resume residence alongside the Chaos Motes-

As a NEW presence forces itself on my mind, something new, angry, primal and enraged. There are not words, but hundreds of blended instinctual urges, dark and heavy, flow and surge together, the melange taking on a shape-until the desires mix together to form a sort of mental voice.

>THOU WOULDST WIELD A MASK OF POWER? WHAT RIGHT MAKES YOU WORTHY TO LEAD AND NOT I, HOST AND VESSEL TO THE GRAND POWER OF BELIEF?

>I think it's trying to intimidate you.
>[Gelrick 17] I feel obligated to mention it is attempting a mental takeover-a passive ability, it looks like-
>Now becoming active as the passive fails-obviously this is failing too, your mind uncompromised.
>I almost feel sorry for the thing-it really has no idea what kind of mind it's getting into.
>HOST TO MANY OR MIND ALONE MATTERS NOT-MY ROLE IS TO TEST AND TEMPT, YOURS IS TO RESIST OR PERISH-THAT IS THE PRICE OF THOSE WHO SEEK THE WAYS OF THE ORIGINAL MASKS
>I am reasonably sure we could use Dream to rewrite the Mask and make that no longer be accurate-should not be hard.
>...Say, since when were we internalized in a dream?
Huh that is wierd....






Okay, so what should I do?
How do I react to the mask?
Once I have come to some form of understanding with the Mask, how will I use its power to put down this slender wizard?
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No. 290706 ID: d4f98d

Well, find out it's name, obviously.

Then, make sure he knows who's boss. Long as he's a guest in your head, on your face, he can stow the threats.

You didn't spend a significant portion of your life enduring the voices of countless others assailing you, the fear that you were irrevocably and completely INSANE, and forever doomed to never know a true home, just to be quashed by some stylized bit of bone and leather and instinct in the your own head.

Did you? Didn't think so.
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No. 290708 ID: d3dfb8

Oh boy, this guy has no idea what he's getting into.
MR MIGHTY MASK SIR, CONGRATULATIONS; YOU ARE NOW OUR BITCH.
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No. 290724 ID: bbd32e

rolled 71 = 71

> Huh that is wierd....
Best not to think about it too hard.

> How do I react to the mask?
It gravely underestimates you.

You are Ulzrick. You are LEGION. This is your Dream, and you the Dreamer. More than that, this is your mind; you are master, here.

And this thing certainly hasn't ever met a mind quite like yours. Mirror yourself, like you did with Ozrick. Don't fully Redact it into being, but a mental presence should be sufficient. While it is busy trying to 'test' you, have your Mirror you metaphorically sneak up and cosh it in the head. It is your mask, not the other way around; it will need to learn that.

Names are power. Name the mask, and you gain power over it. Call it... Aorick.

> Once I have come to some form of understanding with the Mask, how will I use its power to put down this slender wizard?
I wonder if Despardos has the myth of the oni. They're supposed to be beings of tremendous strength and appetite. There's Belief there, and Masks are things of Belief. If that shadow magic gets in your way again, you eat it.

Flex those leg muscles and push off the ground like a missile straight at the wizard. Armor up one of your arms into a metal club/shield and power through anything he puts in your way. Hit him with a Flying Ulzrick Lariat.
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No. 290729 ID: 5b95eb

I would say use dream to make two eyespots see-through from the inside, but look the same from the outside, if you know what I mean. So you can see out of it. Yes, it doesn't really matter since you're dreaman, but still.
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No. 290735 ID: 5b95eb

>>290724
>Aorick

Needs to be punnier!

Also, Telepunch that mage in the face again, with both fists. And a foot.
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No. 290746 ID: 3058cf

rolled 90 = 90

>I am reasonably sure we could use Dream to rewrite the Mask and make that no longer be accurate-should not be hard.

But that is what it makes so powerful, sillies.
If you redact its nature, you also redact its power. Sure, it will stop the assault but at the expense of some power which it can provide.
So i am against redacting it, you guys are more than capable resisting it and putting it under Primes will with sheer mental power.
At least I think so ... or I might be overestimating you guys.

>...Say, since when were we internalized in a dream?
>Huh that is wierd....

I think that by donning that Mask, you have finnale Woke Up.
And what do you know, a Mask with no eye-holes. How are you going to fight now?
And yeah, you were fighting in real life, not just the dream.

If the loss of mundane sight is too cripling for you, I suggest that you Redact the mask so that you can see throught the leather around your eyes. From the outside view it will still be eye-less.
Or you could make bright red glowing holes appear where your eyes are, which constantly produce red smoke.
These redactions seem small enought that they shouldn't require rolls... at least I think so. But I'll roll just in case anyway.


Showing the Mask how BADASS you are and how powerful your mind is ahould be more than enough to get it on our side. Those things only work with people who they deem worthy and strong enough for their respect.

I had a question for ... uhh... The Collective... we really should come up with a name for you guys since the Collective is not quite the same thing. umm.. Sub-Collective? Commitee? Think-tank?...
Anyway,
you guys abviously know by now that Dolrick is the original Ulzrick but you did not get that information from us (which was flat-out given by Lenryt, don't hold our investigation skills in high regards).
So how did you learn about it?

Ah, Ulzrick, don't forget to ask Bang about the super-fast thinking that he has. Someone gave you that suggestion just a while ago but you refused to do it over Phohn. Now you have a chance to talk in person, so do it.

Weird, huh? Just when you thought to meet with Bang, he goes and takes you with him. It is almost like someone had guided him to do that. *wink, wink*
>>290706
>Well, find out it's name, obviously.
We must name it. And no I don't have any ideas.
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No. 290749 ID: 21e57a

rolled 12 = 12

>>290724
Redact fighting the mask and the Boss? It's like...double boss battle! But if we can beat up the mask, we can double team on the Boss. A Double Flying Lariat!

But yeah, Aorick is kinda...plain. Jazz it up a bit!
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No. 290753 ID: 4f5397

You know, I actually feel kinda bad for that mask.

A newly made one, and his first wearer it tries to take over is not only strong in mind himself, no, that mind is actually filled with self-aware variants of itself (Ulzricks, Gelricks), talking muscles (Frlexrick) and worst of all, frequently haunted by beings beyond comprehention, or rather understanding.

Really sucks to be that mask.
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No. 290755 ID: 3058cf

>>290753
Yes
But he's a leather mask. Those are the most potent ones. So he should be okay.... I think.
It's funny how when concerning Ulzrick it is not the question if he is strong enough to withstand the Mask but if the Mask is strong enough to withstand Ulzrick.

Also, what is so special about Original Masks?
How do they differ from others?
Are they better/worse or is it even?
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No. 290756 ID: 4f5397

>>290755
The newer ones only do that electric brain-scan/Take over the first time they get put on, while the older ones do that always.
The plus side is that they are apparently more stepped in belief and have a skill called `Masquerade´ or something, which allows illusions to be used. At least the old mask Bang faced could do that, and his mask commented that all old style mask had something like that.
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No. 290791 ID: f88f02

>>290756
Each Masquerade (that is how you spell it, unless he's trying to be clever) is different, according to Bob. DOllars to donuts this one projects us turning into an ogre...

Anyway, you have, what, twenty or so peeps in here with you? Show him the power of numbers. Kick his ass so hard he never questions you again. Make it HISTORICAL that you subdued your mask in record time.
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No. 290792 ID: 063973

>>290724
I thought that the mirror redaction technique is more of a 'pulling a voice out into reality' rather than a generation of a new voice, isn't it? Though, I suppose, Ulzrick could make a voice (that is not an alt!Ulzrick) into a actual person, unconnected to the Greater Ulzrick Collective, and then have that newly realized person be schizophrenic as all other Ulzricks are, and thereby generate more voices. (Though, I suppose, that would weaken Ulzrick's Dream capability, as to my understanding, Ulzrick would have healed a small part of his sacrifice for Dreaming.)

...Hmm, on that thought, maybe Ulzrick could make that new realized person into the basis of a new, though connected by way of Prime, Collective, of a sort? Through, with Dream, making one of the voices into actual souls, which would generate more voices, and so on and so forth. They could, I think, inhabit the Mask itself, and the psychosis of the Mask becomes part of their sacrifice for Souldreaming.
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No. 290795 ID: f88f02

GRIMARICK
VEILRICK
AORICK
MUHKARICK
ONIRICK

CHOOSE ONE.
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No. 290796 ID: 5b95eb

Also, name your mask Ogrick.
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No. 290801 ID: ab04d4

No wait I got a name.

Masquerick. It even has a mask-based word in the name!
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No. 290804 ID: 6a1753

Maverick
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No. 290808 ID: bdd665

mabey somthing without a "rick" in it?
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No. 290809 ID: 1854db

Ulzrick, if you can put some sort of Restriction on your Dream magic so that you need to be unable to physically see to activate some part of it, you should be able to get a big boost by wearing the mask.
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No. 290822 ID: a76809
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>>290706
>[Emba] Well, find out it's name, obviously.
>MINE NAME IS-
>[Emba] Then, make sure he knows who's boss. Long as he's a guest in your head, on your face, he can stow the threats.
>THOU DAR-
>[Emba] You didn't spend a significant portion of your life enduring the voices of countless others assailing you, the fear that you were irrevocably and completely INSANE, and forever doomed to never know a true home, just to be quashed by some stylized bit of bone and leather and instinct stopping in to say hi inside your own head.
>He's got a point, this should be a cakewalk-all that baseless arrogance, how delicious!
>>290708
> MR MIGHTY MASK SIR, CONGRATULATIONS; YOU ARE NOW OUR BITCH.
>[Gelrick 11] I'm not detecting any psychological traps or mental abilities in the Mask beyond being able to interface with the host-
>[Gelrick 17] HAH, it's coding only works on contact-so as far as the Mask's magic is concerned, there's only one Ulzrick!
>HAHAHAHA
>Truly a deadly flaw in design.
>THOU SHALT RESP-
>>290724
>[Guile] It gravely underestimates you. You are Ulzrick. You are LEGION. This is your Dream, and you the Dreamer. More than that, this is your mind; you are master, here. Names are power. Name the mask, and you gain power over it. Call it-
Yes, my Dream, my rules-but I think for a name to have any value, I'd have to pick it myself-Ownership and all that. So, what to call this leather mask.....
>MINE TITLE IS-
Completely irrelevant, as you are getting a new title-come on, get with the program here.
>Yeah we do have you MASSIVELY outnumbered here-
>[Gelrick 13] We are also each individually practiced at mental communication and detection, and fully able to combine our collective mental might to face you.
>Take it from me Mask-you're boned.
Hm... well obviously I'd want something with an Ogre theme, Mask is already styled that way, ties into my moniker....
>STOP IGNORING ME!
>Did anyone hear something? It was almost like a piece of cured flesh was whining... must be the wind-WAIT NO THIS IS A DREAM THERE IS NO WIND
>THIS IS NO DREAM!
>Great, the wind is delusional too.
...Hm, what to call it...

>>290746
>[ 7] I had a question for ... uhh... The Collective... we really should come up with a name for you guys since the Collective is not quite the same thing. umm.. Sub-Collective? Committee? Think-tank?... Anyway, you guys obviously know by now that Dolrick is the original Ulzrick but you did not get that information from us (which was flat-out given by Lenryt, don't hold our investigation skills in high regards). So how did you learn about it?
>From Lenryt-where did you think we got that information?
>I DEMAND
>Quiet the adults are conferring

>>290795
>>290796
I GOT IT!

WE'LL CALL IT.... OGRIMARICK!
>Rolls off the tongue-just so long as you know what to say from the beginning.
>How could you not know what to say, we just learned the name.
>[Gelrick 03] Ogrimarick... okay, I'll remember it.
>Ogrimarick...
>MINE NAME IS NOT OGRIMARICK!
>Sure about that Ogrimarick?
>[Gelrick 18] COMPLETELY SURE are you Ogrimarick?
>[Gelrick 20] Because it seems like that is in fact your name Ogrimarick.
>Whatever you were, now your are Ogrimarick.
You are going to just have to accept it, Ogrimarick.
>[Ogrimarick]NO MATTER WHAT THOU CLAIMS, I AM NOT OGRIMARICK
Oh really?
>Hey, Ogrimarick!
>[Ogrimarick] HM?
See, knew that was your name, you even responded to it-OKAY, so Ogrimarick, you said something about having Belief... we happen to be familiar with tapping and using it as a power source from imbued items, so.... not going to ask if I can use your power, just gonna... hold on....
>[Ogrimarick] WHAT DOST THOU-
Shhh, working.... huh. Really, there's not THAT much difference between how precious metal's Belief is stored in objects and how Mask Belief is stored....
>This may be a time to resume paying attention to your surroundings?
Hm? Oh, the skinny wizard, right.

My foe, once more centering himself within the broken void through which he penetrated my Dream, has continued to emit those shadowed tendrils-and as my attention returns to him, they wrap about my arms, legs, elbows, knees, waist and neck, pulling tight-

As a half-dozen other wizards leap forth, all piling onto me to restrain my might, each now armored against the heat I produce.

The skinny wizard begins to walk forward, shadows spewing from his gut to coat his hands as that one baleful eye stays locked on me.

...I'm already at full Flexrick output-if I go any higher I am literally going to tear myself apart-I mean yes this is a Dream-weird as hell one sure-but if I start acting to far outside of my actual waking parameters, the Dream's lucidity could collapse. ...I could try some more Redaction, but the skinny dude was able to counter that before. Or maybe I can do something a bit more creative with Flexrick?
>[Ogrimarick]DOST THOU NEED POWER TO CLAIM VICTORY?
Not at the moment, just getting a feel for your Belief... okay, I think I can use it in a hybrid spell... just not sure what to do with it.
>[Ogrimarick]THE BELIEF AT MINE DISPOSAL IS PALTRY COMPARED TO THE FULL MIGHT THAT CAN BE COMMANDED.
And I command you to shut it-I'm in the driver's seat, the others have learned to accept that, and you will to-NOW:






What should I do?
If I plan to use Redaction, what specifically should I use it for?
Exactly how should I use Flexrick's powers right now?
What should I use my tenuous connection to Mask Belief on-as in, what spell should I make into a Belief Hybrid spell, a Will-based Magnetomancy working, or some Dream working?
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No. 290823 ID: 5b95eb

Full body teleflex (That's what I'm going to be calling it from now on there's no stopping me)out of the tendrils closer to the skinny wizard, and then telepunch him in the face and back of the head.
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No. 290824 ID: f88f02

Use the Mask.

No seriously. Demonstrate how quickly you have taken over. It will shock the shit out of them. Then keep using it. FLEXRICK in addition - see how FAST you can volley your punches.
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No. 290832 ID: d3dfb8

rolled 21 = 21

You can teleport via Flexrick, and you can choose exactly what is moved. Teleport out of the pile, let them all wrestle themselves.
Rip this little wizard apart, grab his wrists and PULL.
Of course, this probably wont work as he's already demonstrated the ability to match your strength. However because we can predict this the instant he breaks out begin a full power kick to the knee; when he moves to block teleport and hit the other knee from behind then REDACTION it to hitting twice.
Afterward teleport away as his 'rewrite' ability is probably going to stagger you.
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No. 290866 ID: 21e57a
 

Flexrick has been quiet. Introduce OGRIMARICK to Flexrick. Then have Flexrick command the power of OGRIMARICK to Tele Flying Elbow and Tele Power Bomb!

Then run across the top of the ropes and do this as soon as he gets up.
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No. 290872 ID: 9c20f5

rolled 45 = 45

Those wizards and their sneaky tricks. Time to show them a real dream spell: SUMMON METEOR!

Dream Redaction: Remember how a iron-core meteorite happened to fly overhead and burst midair in a mini Tunguska-like explosion, sending a shower of tiny hot metal shrapnel raining down in a wide area around you? Damn right. Use your mask-fuelled magnetomancy to set your blood iron field to 'repel' to ward off the metal shrapnel. Now that's a boss killer with style.
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No. 290874 ID: bbd32e

> What should I use my tenuous connection to Mask Belief on-as in, what spell should I make into a Belief Hybrid spell, a Will-based Magnetomancy working, or some Dream working?
The Old Masks have an ability called Masquerade, a form of illusion. Try something that is part illusion and part Dream, focused on yourself where your Belief is strongest. I suspect that fusion will create something quasi-real, an illusion that can be interacted with, but that is less dangerous than full Dream.

Seem to grow into a giant, until it seems like those piling on have no hope of holding you. Speak in a voice like thunder - and have the Mask's toothy maw move as you do why not - "Do you see now? I am strength incarnate. Might, unassailable. Power, overwhelming. Do you think you can hold Ogramarick?"

While the grunts are busy cowering at your quasi-illusion, turn to Flexrick. We know he can teleport through Muscle Space, and enhance your muscles. He must be able to do more.

Manipulate Muscle Space until you connect from your muscles to the boss's. But your muscles are superior, you know this. Command his muscles with yours, to strike down your enemies. Make him your muscle puppet.

Then, I think it's time to try a full-body teleflex. But since you're already connected to the boss's muscles, seem to tear your upper body out of his spine and put him in a sleeper. Choke him out until he falls unconscious, before climbing out of his body.

That'll take the fight out of the scrubs.
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No. 290876 ID: 063973

>Will or Dream?
Why not both at once? Maybe something like this: manifest the Blood Iron onto Ogrimarick's maw and horns as teeth, with spiraling spikes to catch and tear at flesh and other materials able to be harmed so by the metal, and elongate and shrink the metal covering so that you - or, I suppose, Ogrimarick - rend the strings binding you and the warriors trying to restrain you apart. (The wizards probably shouldn't be killed outright, but maybe just incapacitated, like having most of their legs/arms/torsos missing - you know, injuries that are normally fatal without potent regeneration or healing, and since Bang is here, they would be fine; also, perhaps the core of the teeth should be Dream-forged metal, if you can't obtain enough Blood Iron to make the teeth entirely out of Blood Iron - which should help with making the teeth unnaturally sharp from the Blood and Belief imbued in the power of blood even with only a covering.) Also, perhaps make a Dream portal to your Dream, where the teeth direct all material they catch into Ogrimarick's mouth, with a Will-based spell - which should help, as Will is naturally Order-inclined, and Ownership is an Ordered concept - to assert Ownership over everything that passes through the portal?

>Flexrick
The shadow strings are probably solid, so perhaps manifesting muscles onto the strings in a manner so that the strings function as a skeleton and then flexing the muscles hard enough to break the strings could work to free you, teleporting the string pieces left with Muscle Space instantly when they break so that the wizard can't just instantly regenerate the binds, would work? Of course, the wizard seems to be able to create the strings indefinitely, but if enough strings are broken in a short enough period of time, then its capacity for the technique might become strained enough for a finishing strike.

And, if possible, hiting the wizards trying to restrain you with manifested muscles that have obtained a massive momentum just almost above their bodies - to minimize loss of speed from air resistance - might down them.
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No. 290945 ID: a76809

>>290874
>>290876
I feel a few Chaos Motes swirling in my mind clamor for my attention simultaneously, a barrage of thoughts once could render me momentarily insensate. Their musings merge and meld together as I seek out viable commentary.
>[Guile] The Old Masks have an ability called Masquerade, a form of illusion. Try something that is part illusion and part Dream, focused on yourself where your Belief is strongest. I suspect that fusion will create something quasi-real, an illusion that can be interacted with, but that is less dangerous than full Dream.
>[Gelrick 17] Predisposition to illusion-Phonomancy, perhaps? Either way, this severely impacts what kind of equations we want to consider....
Vibration attacks, or possibly mental influence?
> Why not both at once? Maybe something like this: manifest the Blood Iron onto Ogrimarick's maw and horns as teeth, with spiraling spikes to catch and tear at flesh and other materials able to be harmed so by the metal, and elongate and shrink the metal covering so that you - or, I suppose, Ogrimarick - rend the strings binding you and the warriors trying to restrain you apart. (The wizards probably shouldn't be killed outright, but maybe just incapacitated, like having most of their legs/arms/torsos missing - you know, injuries that are normally fatal without potent regeneration or healing, and since Bang is here, they would be fine; also, perhaps the core of the teeth should be Dream-forged metal, if you can't obtain enough Blood Iron to make the teeth entirely out of Blood Iron - which should help with making the teeth unnaturally sharp from the Blood and Belief imbued in the power of blood even with only a covering.) Also, perhaps make a Dream portal to your Dream, where the teeth direct all material they catch into Ogrimarick's mouth, with a Will-based spell - which should help, as Will is naturally Order-inclined, and Ownership is an Ordered concept - to assert Ownership over everything that passes through the portal?
Will isn't predisposed to be Order disposed, unless the one who generates it has an Order bias to begin with-
>So you do pay attention to some of my lessons....
>[Gelrick 01] Inaccuracies aside, a body of power, the illusion of more-what say you?
>[Gelrick 17] ...It.. it is possible, yes but I haven't finished refining the equations.
>[Gelrick 13] Then time must pass before Ogrimarick's powers can be optimally used.
Okay, how to get out of this with what I got-

>>290823
>>290866
FLEXRICK-
>[Flexrick]"Full power at your command!"
Say hi to Ogrimarick, I imagine you will be working with that one soon.
>[Flexrick]"As you say, host of the Muscle-Greetings dried and stitched pieces of flesh titled Ogrimarick, how does your abomination of an existence in the trappings of quenched life suit you!"
>[Ogrimarick]"THOU DA... WHAT?"

I mute the voices as best I can as I strain every muscle in my body, picturing the space directly above me, and the resultant pile of wizards once I teleflex away. Veins bulge, mucles tighten and heave, Flexrick taunts Ogrimarick and-

[DISCONTINUITY]

I am above the resultant dogpile-and the moment I touch down atop them I leap forward, straight at the slender one eyed warrior, before the multitude of ropes and tendrils can react. I leap forward, spinning in the air, legs flying over my head to slam down on either side of the wizard's neck and clamp together as my spine arches, hands grounding as I flex my body like a spring, the clouds of steam obscuring us before the impact.

I see nothing.

I hear a cry crack, like ancient pottery broken by a careless hand. I feel the shiver of crumbling as the head I locked between my legs becomes misshapen.

>[Gelrick 17] One last proofing and we should be good Prime.

I hear the rumble and see the shadows of the half dozen other wizards closing on me, having already extricated themselves, even as my foe with the broken head continues to move. What to do.....

I sit down on the slender wizard's chest, coat my hands in iron, and pound away at his shadowed face, unrelenting and unforgiving. A fun Dreamfight, to be sure-but I have those other wizards to deal with, and this one is annoying to leave running amok.

The complete cessation of pounding feat behind me, immediately followed by the sound of but a single pair of feat, gives me pause as I turn my attention to the other 'Ricks-

The titanic one is charging my way, and as I shift atop the limp and thin wizard, I coat one forearm and one knee in iron as I brace myself-

A kick that could be called the equal of Bang's slams home, driving me four feet into the hard-packed sand arena, my shoulder dislocated, bones broken and spine screaming from taking the impact-had I not shielded my bracing leg and blocking arm as I had, I would likely have lost the limbs themselves-all this in a leaping kick from thirty feet away, done in the blink of an eye?
>Definition of a lightning bruiser right there.
>[Gelrick 07] The oversized body also increases his reach-and the metal braces he has likely shield him form the massive trauma his impacts hold on both the dispensing and receiving end.
>[Gelrick 17] And... IT'S DONE!
Thoughts of a multifaceted equation linking Will based Magnetomancy, Dream Magnetomancy, Belief as an enforcing agent and as a source of illusion, phonic manipulation to change the image our body produces. All our minds come into alignment, my own real and their Dream replicas of minds now longs since dead in the corporeal realm on some far away alternate reality...
Iron binds into my bones, forming braces, stopgaps-I am not healed, but I can function well enough.

The Iron flows over my body like water, Belief magnifying its presence until my whole body has been given a metallic coating, no steam escaping, Dreamed moisuture unnecessary to sustain me. The metal begins to glow and cherry as the heat is given a slower method of exit, my clothes beginning to smolder.

Some fell shadow falls over my form, something I cannot see-but I feel the shock, the recoil that emenates from the titanic wizard that nearly kicked me into oblivion-
>And did so while pulling the thin wizard out from under you PRIOR to pounding you into the ground-which makes him strong and nimble.
>[Gelrick 01] Sounds familiar, does it not?

The six other wizards I can see are charging forth to support their presumed titanic leader as power flows in my body, a metal clad ogre.







What should I say or do?
What Redactions do I wish to attempt?
If Bang brought me here in this particular dream.... does that mean I need to fight him to wake up?
>Oh man that would be an awesome finale to the Dream!
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No. 290950 ID: a0d5fc

>What Redactions do I wish to attempt?
This is your Dream and your rules, you can anything you want to be here. Why not try being something else. You have Bang is as an example, why not take what he's done to his body and do it yours. It's just a dream, but it would be cool to try out having unbreakable bones and skin laced with carbon nanotubes, magic generating organs, a backup brain and super eyes. Give it a go!

At the same time, whilst your dream iron enrichment is totally cool, you can make it much cooler with just a thought - why not Redact it to be Coloured Black and Purple so that it matches your mask?
>If Bang brought me here in this particular dream.... does that mean I need to fight him to wake up?
Why would you want to do that? Wouldn't it be awesome if this dream could last forever - why don't you Redact yourself to make it that that.
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No. 290952 ID: a0d5fc

rolled 79 = 79

>>290950
Forgot to roll
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No. 290953 ID: d70df4

rolled 50 = 50

>>290950
Second
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No. 290956 ID: a9629e

Hey Mask, as you have access to Ulzrick's mind, assuming you work in a manner similar to Nagging Wife, might want to look up Dolrick, Lenryt, the First, and Mordre. And realize that while Masks normally are partnered with individuals of a goodly amount of power, you've been partnered with a currently disconnected shard of a collective that's cosmic, the powersource of planeteaters, in scope. I admit us chaos motes don't have all the information on the masks, but as powerful as you may be, I think it's safe to say you're still a small part of a much greater whole when it comes to Ulzrick. In this mind, if you want your respect, you need to earn it, by working with the group and providing useful information. You actually have an advantage here though, since the other Ricks can't think at the same time as ours, and us motes experience your reality in bursts and provide feedback the sameway.

The fact that you were unaware of this is understandable, as you were just made by someone who only knew Ulzrick was worthy based on seeing a limited amount of his abilities and the assurance of someone that he knew was powerful, but probably isn't aware of the scope of Bang's powers either. And Bang isn't aware of just how awesome Ulzrick is either. So that's four or five layers of uninformed right there. Totally understandable.
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No. 290958 ID: 1854db

If you try to fight Bang, he will probably explode your limbs or something.

Not that I'm saying that would KILL you but it would be very unpleasant. Be sure to actually say something soon, so they don't think you've gone insane from using the mask. Something like "Come on, IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?"
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No. 290966 ID: 5b95eb

>>290950
-1 on the copying Bang bit.
>if I start acting to far outside of my actual waking parameters, the Dream's lucidity could collapse

Also, Telepunch everybody
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No. 290974 ID: 6ea842

>From Lenryt-where did you think we got that
information?
When did that happen? we certainly weren't there when she shared that info... at least I think so.
She told that to Mordre, thats where we got it from. I was surprised to know that Dolrick was the original who strived to achive godhood. But you guys weren't there when she said that.
I thought that you somehow managed to deduce that.
Anyway what do you make of this information? what do you plan to do?

---
If you do manage to grow huge and don't say "I'm huge!" I will be severely disappponted.

And are we suddenly fighting the mask Maker?

also, what was that about fighting Bang? You can't wake up from your dream on your own?
yeah, duking it out with him would br awesome

how many wizards have put down already?
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No. 290979 ID: bbd32e

>>290958
Yes. This is a good idea. After you deal with the lightning bruiser and the rest, it's Bang's turn.

So, you are now encased in a phonic illusion - of yourself, but moreso? Then the trick to use seems clear to me. Have the illusion mimic your movements, but be off by just a little. This should produce an effect like your attacks doubling, half of which are real and half illusion.

When he attacks, shift slightly differently than the illusion; hopefully he'll target the illusion rather than your flesh.

Also, see about working a phonomantic headbutt (horns optional) in there somehow.

Target the lightning bruiser; as the far more dangerous opponent, your heated Blood Iron should hold off the scrubs for a while.
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No. 290982 ID: 44c70d

>>290950
>>290953
Wait, what are you guys trying to redact, the blood's color or the infinite dream? The first is cosmetic but could have some minor belief/blood effect or something, but the second has what seems to me to be a huge chance of backfiring horribly. A dream that could go on eternally? The act of making a dream that could last forever is one of giving it power - the power to sustain itself independent of your own attention. That seems like a bad idea to me.

>>290945
>What should I say or do?
DEMAND that the Titanic Wizard explain why he kicked you off the Skinny Wizard after giving you that crazy mask. Seems a bit counterproductive of him, no? Helping you out fighting these faceless mooks, only to turn on you the moment you're winning... Sounds a bit to me like he thought you sitting on the Skinny Wizard and punching its face flat was rather unsportsmanlike. So who is HE to judge, hmm?

[Flexrick]"As you say, host of the Muscle-Greetings dried and stitched pieces of flesh titled Ogrimarick, how does your abomination of an existence in the trappings of quenched life suit you!"
(Oh dear GOD. I hope Flexrick is just being overly wordy here. I'm sure Masks are not dead peoples' faces, carefully stitched and dyed to tap into some collective Belief pool... right? Maybe it's animal hide?! Yeah. That's probably it. Nagging Wife wasn't somebody's REAL nagging wife at some point... right?)

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No. 290983 ID: a0d5fc

>>290982
>Wait, what are you guys trying to redact, the blood's color or the infinite dream? The first is cosmetic but could have some minor belief/blood effect or something,
The first is very much not cosmetic, Coloured elements have magical properties, Black for Order and purple for magnetomancy.

>but the second has what seems to me to be a huge chance of backfiring horribly. A dream that could go on eternally? The act of making a dream that could last forever is one of giving it power - the power to sustain itself independent of your own attention. That seems like a bad idea to me.
Why? Ulzrick is having fun, and it's allowing him to cut loose with less restrictions than he would normally have.
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No. 290987 ID: 6ea842

Mordre is semding you dream eater blood iron. IT can be used as ward and weapon against them. Mordre can generate endless amount of it so you cam request as much as you want.

the trick you did by infusing blood iron was cool. What if you do the same but with dream iron blood?
you could become living weapon against dreameaters then.


would be awesome, no?
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No. 290991 ID: 903f16

>>290982
Nah man, Nagging Wife is made of cloth. Unless there's a race of walking, talking rag dolls about we're in the clear.

>>290987
He is, you might want to consider repaying him. For instance pumping some Dream Iron into a nice hunk of metal for him to gnaw on. If you do I'll toss a bit of mote info your way that could help your standing with Keddic.
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No. 290992 ID: 6ea842

rolled 4 = 4

oh right
redact the damn injuries
we always do that why forget doing that?
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No. 291162 ID: 063973

Say, I don't suppose you are able to extend the metal covering into something like that mage's shadow tendrils, can you? It would help with the impending burning clothes problem, as the heat would be carried with the extended metal away from you and your flammable clothes, and probably help deal with the non-bosses, as you tie them down with hot metal strings. (If you are able to, perhaps throw/move the captured wizards into the path of the giant one, to hinder its ability to move close enough to hit you - it hasn't demonstrated any ranged attacks so far, but as it hasn't been in the fight for long, it could have ranged capability - without possibly fatally damaging its presumed allies.) Perhaps your tendrils could be hollow, so that the steam you generate would be channeled along with the tendrils, allowing for the possibility of blasting the wizards with steam?

Also, is the string wizard still in play? If it is, then, with the big guy as another boss clearly, you would end up fighting Bang and the other two bosses; unless, I suppose, the two you are currently facing are bosses you are suppose to defeat before you can fight Bang.
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No. 291208 ID: 618004

rolled 28 = 28

Oh wow I think you're actually encased in a faraday cage with your iron skin! Time for an ultimate awesome muscle/dream/magnetomancy combination move!

Use your magnetomancy to align your armor for maximum conductivity before jumping into the air above your opponents. Then flex, reaching out to punch, kick, elbow and knee all of your opponents at the same time using Muscle Space. Make sure your skin armor has tiny spikes on the impact points so clothes and skin is penetrated.

That's when you use the power of your dream to redact yourself into getting hit by a powerful strike of freak lightning. Since you're in the air you'll only be grounded through the opponents you're touching meaning all the charge passes through them, however the electrical charge should only pass over the exterior of your metal skin with no charge on the inside since it's a perfectly sealed belief reinforced faraday cage.

Also remember you have a belief-choir within you. Ask all the Gelricks and Ulzricks within to pray that you achieve strength and success.
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No. 291295 ID: a76809

>>291208
[I would advise you to not ask me to strike the character with lightning.]

>>290956
>[TMI] Hey Mask, as you have access to Ulzrick's mind, assuming you work in a manner similar to Nagging Wife, might want to look up Dolrick, Lenryt, the First, and Mordre. And realize that while Masks normally are partnered with individuals of a goodly amount of power, you've been partnered with a currently disconnected shard of a collective that's cosmic, the powersource of planeteaters, in scope. I admit us chaos motes don't have all the information on the masks, but as powerful as you may be, I think it's safe to say you're still a small part of a much greater whole when it comes to Ulzrick. In this mind, if you want your respect, you need to earn it, by working with the group and providing useful information. You actually have an advantage here though, since the other Ricks can't think at the same time as ours, and us motes experience your reality in bursts and provide feedback the sameway. The fact that you were unaware of this is understandable, as you were just made by someone who only knew Ulzrick was worthy based on seeing a limited amount of his abilities and the assurance of someone that he knew was powerful, but probably isn't aware of the scope of Bang's powers either. And Bang isn't aware of just how awesome Ulzrick is either. So that's four or five layers of uninformed right there. Totally understandable.
>[Ogrimarick]"DOST... Dost thou truly be such a being?"
>Eh... before we go any further, some pronoun correction-'we' are the 'Rick voices of this node in the collective-'they' are Chaos Motes-really a bit complicated to get into them, but their descriptor of us was largely accurate.
With me serving as the corporeal anchor for this node of the Collective.
>[Ogrimarick]"Be thou mortal?"
FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK THAT-collectively, no, personally, yes-it's hard to give unilateral answers as part of a multidimensional existence.
>That titan would seem worthy of attention...
>[Flexrick]"I'd comment that he would most likely be a better host for me with how strong he is-I say that objectively and not wistfully, the guy is a powerhouse."
>...Which, big or no, is strange for a wizard, right? I mean, that sounds more like Hero stuff there.
It's a dream, it does not need to make sense.

>>290974
[7][Blah blah blah]
Okay, you do realize Lenryt can put thoughts in people's heads, right? And she can do that whenever she wants? So why are you confused we learned something without you being aware we had learned it? How small do you think this world is?

>>290979
[Guile] So, you are now encased in a phonic illusion - of yourself, but moreso? Then the trick to use seems clear to me. Have the illusion mimic your movements, but be off by just a little. This should produce an effect like your attacks doubling, half of which are real and half illusion. When he attacks, shift slightly differently than the illusion; hopefully he'll target the illusion rather than your flesh.
With these musings from a disembodied voice, I am off-dreamspace flickering about me as I charge.

An arm barreling forth like a cannon round blows by overhead, and I feel the hesitation in my foe-the Phonomantic misdirection, the shifting visual location-it's working. Partly repaired, my limbs nevertheless protest as my iron-encased body springs up in a full-body uppercut, knuckles shattering under the force of my own strike as I lift the titanic warrior from the ground-

To be slammed into the earth by a booted foot, thrust through more than a meter of sand as my sternum splits down the center, the titan springing back to a standing position, already charging back in-

As a limb made of visible howls and rioting color blasts over my shoulder, meeting the impending fist with a sonic boom fierce enough I have to focus to keep my eardrums from rupturing.

I turn to look at the maddened mass that now fights the titan-as it's excuse for a head turns my way, and a limb thrusts forth, questing for my exposed throat.

....Ah....





What should I do?
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No. 291296 ID: 1854db

PUNCH THAT FIST
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No. 291299 ID: a9629e

>>291296
This, but shout something like "Fist of the Ogre!" while you do it. And phonomancy is vibration manipulation, right? So Fist of the Ogre should be the Ricks doing dream iron to your arm, you using magnetomancy on the dream iron to screw with resonance, and then the phonomancy thing you're doing being controlled by the Mask to compound the punch. It might be better at that right now anyway.

Also, dreams are pretty weird, so you might wanna make it abundantly clear that you're not being controlled by the mask. I mean, have you ever had a nightmare where you're constantly being hunted and bad things happen to you, and then at the end, it turns out to be a giant misunderstanding, and everyone is laughing it off while you're screaming out in silent agony with your tongue cut out and your mouth sewn shut? Those dreams suck!
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No. 291300 ID: 5b95eb

rolled 72 = 72

Redact your injuries so they're not so bad.

Teleflex away.
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No. 291304 ID: 1854db

rolled 91 = 91

>>291300
Seconding the redaction, not seconding teleflexing. Bang wants to grapple you, for some reason. He could be trying to stop the fight.
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No. 291306 ID: 5b95eb

Also telepunch the smaller wizards, see if you can get them out of the way to focus on the boss.

Always gotta get down the adds quick in a boss fight, after all.
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No. 291324 ID: 21e57a

>>291296
THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS

>>291299
But not this. No yelling, no talking, no redaction just punching. Just punching...yeah, punching the dream of Bang, because that's what that is, man. God, if only our arm was strong enough to actually Brofist Bang. That'd be sweet.
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No. 291335 ID: d4f98d

Chill out, and armor yourself, just in case. To the voices that are advocating more fighting: It's pretty damn clear that this is over. I'm guessing one of the head Wizards was tried to stop you from beating the shadow-rope one to death, only he did it in an incredibly stupid manner. I think it's high time we got an actual bearing on the situation, don't you?
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No. 291347 ID: 9a29c3

rolled 54, 13, 34, 56 = 157

Hell if I know, I thought we were tbe centre of the universe

why are you ignoring my musings about dreameater blood iron. I thought it would be important, at least intresting info.

remember you made a protective a gravimancy shield with your sword around you when bang was carrying you? can you do it when it is stored in muscle space? you could potentially make a gravitational field around you and use it to your advantage: slow enemy, speed boost self, punch harder, ect
redaction just in case it is needed

way back you did 3-way injury redaction. lets see if you can do it again
rolling 3 dices


tele-punch or teleflex away from that attack.
in fact , do both
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No. 291464 ID: d4f98d

OKAY, I'm going to break down what seems to have happened here, because if this keeps going, I get the distinct feeling Ulzrick's going to get put down like an animal:

1. Ulzrick, you challenged and proceeded to beat up on the masked warriors/wizards, as per their terms for attaining the mask.

2. You then fought and beat the shit out of the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard, and promptly recieved the LEATHER mask.

3. Once you donned it, the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard attempted to snare you. I assume this was due to fear that you would go crazy as the Mask attempted to control your mind. This was not the best way to go about it, however, as we all interpreted it as a sign that the fight was still going on.

4. You then went on to continue fighting the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard, which resulted in ALL OF THEM dogpiling you. You slipped out, and proceeded to curb-stomp the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard. Hard.

5. At this point, the big guy who tossed you the mask steps in and pummels you off the guy. Again, an INCREDIBLY bad way to go about it, but from the looks of it, you fucked the poor guy up.

6. You then go head to head with the big guy, who wrecks you fairly badly despite your efforts.

7. Bang steps in. Attempts to hold off the big guy, AND seems to be trying to restrain you.

Now, again, this is just as it seems to me, but I'm pretty sure they all think the Mask has control over you. If you don't want to get PUT DOWN, then STAND DOWN.

If questioned on what happened, just tell it as you saw it: You thought the fight was still supposed to be continuing.
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No. 291472 ID: 5b95eb

Teleflex up onto one of the walls and ask if it's over.
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No. 291474 ID: 252e1b
 

Ulzrick.

WAKE UP! WAKE UP YOU GIT, THIS ISN'T A DREAM, YOU BEAT THEM IN YOUR SLEEP. WAKE UP.
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No. 291480 ID: bbd32e

Has Ulzrick ever seen Bang do his thing? Well, if this is Bang, I guess he wants a piece of the action.

We got a good fight out of it, Ulzrick levelled up a bit. We can let it be.

"Wow, this has taken a weird turn. Is the fight over? Because if it is, I'm out of here. I'm not going to waste a perfectly good dream doing nothing."
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No. 291498 ID: d3dfb8

BOO!
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No. 291506 ID: 09b259

Oh, now we are telling him to wake up and that this is not a dream but back when I said that he should wake up, you shooed me away.

meh

since this is your dream and you can pretty much imagine whatever you want without using redaction (as evidenced by the fact that you can imagone tons of water) just imagine your woinds away or that you have powerful self-healing or that you know combat curatiomancy. Anything really.
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No. 291536 ID: a0d5fc

rolled 60 = 60

You should take the mask off on the outside wrap it around your fist and smack the Titan with it, use your other fist to to bro-fist the multicoloured one that's coming towards you. Whilst you're doing that, you should place the Mask you just took off on all the other 'ricks simultaneously.

What, that's impossible? This is a Dream my friend, you can do anything.
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No. 291675 ID: 476834

rolled 4 = 4

>>291536
Not sure if it's possible, but I'd like to see Ulzrick truly become Legion.
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No. 291712 ID: 1854db

Uh, if Ulzrick somehow gets the mask on all other Ulzricks then the many-mask will overpower the collective. So let's not do that. I don't think it's possible even with Dream anyway.
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No. 291744 ID: a76809

>>291296
> PUNCH THAT FIST
>>291299
>[TMI]Punch that fist, but shout something like 'Fist of the Ogre!' while you do it. Further, phonomancy is vibration manipulation, right? So Fist of the Ogre should be the Ricks doing dream iron to your arm, you using magnetomancy on the dream iron to screw with resonance, and then the phonomancy thing you're doing being controlled by the Mask to compound the punch. It might be better at that right now anyway.
>>291306
> Also telepunch the smaller wizards, see if you can get them out of the way to focus on the boss. Always gotta get down the adds quick in a boss fight, after all.
>That is a very offensive approach.
>[Gelrick 01] At times offense trumps any measure of defense.
>>291324
>[Troy]PUNCH THAT FIST THIS THIS THIS

My whole body, encased in Iron of Dream and Belief origin alike, all owing Ownership to me in some form or other, hums-no, it keens as I refexively cock my fist. I grasp the magnetic fields of the metal about my arm, feeding raw data on thermal and spatial dimensions-my body wrapped in Dream, I simply assume the resonance frequency I come up with will not harm me-only that ravenous, amorphous form attacking me.

While my left arm shivers, a barrage of teleflexced jabs to the face bring the advancing other wizards to a dead stop, my right fist, forged of wildly vibrating iron collides with that looks like a mass of mad scribbles made manifest-and I learn that whatever I may see, the madness I face feels stronger than steel.

What's more, the blow has the weight of the world behind it, unbreakable, unstoppable, a fist that is guaranteed to travel its course-no matter what is in its way.

Sadly, I braced too well for my own blow-and the fist of madness rips, pulps and smashes its way completely through my right arm, sheering the limb away in a horrifically gory instant-

Dream or no, the pain is undeniable.
>...That... that was your ARM dude. It is gone-your ARM is gone.
>The feedback-that confirms it, no matter how this may appear, this is not a Dream-at least, not fully. On some level, this is real... but how?
>[Gelrick 17] Bang could heal you, could he not? Or worst case, you know Mordre has access to prosthesis. ...Still, you just got maimed-good thing we're stopping the iron in your blood at the stump, preventing a bleed out-until we know just how real this is... best to play it safe.

Mind and body alike reeling as I am blown back, tumbling to the ground as I try to make sense of it all.

>291464
>[Emba] OKAY, I'm going to break down what seems to have happened here, because if this keeps going, I get the distinct feeling Ulzrick's going to get put down like an animal:
>[Emba] 1. Ulzrick, you challenged and proceeded to beat up on the masked warriors/wizards, as per their terms for attaining the mask.
>[Emba] 2. You then fought and beat the shit out of the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard, and promptly received the LEATHER mask.
>[Emba] 3. Once you donned it, the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard attempted to snare you. I assume this was due to fear that you would go crazy as the Mask attempted to control your mind. This was not the best way to go about it, however, as we all interpreted it as a sign that the fight was still going on.
>[Emba] 4. You then went on to continue fighting the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard, which resulted in ALL OF THEM dogpiling you. You slipped out, and proceeded to curb-stomp the boss Masked Warrior/Wizard. Hard.
>[Emba] 5. At this point, the big guy who tossed you the mask steps in and pummels you off the guy. Again, an INCREDIBLY bad way to go about it, but from the looks of it, you fucked the poor guy up.
>[Emba] 6. You then go head to head with the big guy, who wrecks you fairly badly despite your efforts.
>[Emba] 7. Bang/The Mad Scribbles, the CHAOTIC mass, steps in. Attempts to hold off the big guy, AND seems to be trying to restrain you.
>[Emba]8. When you resist, assuming it a hostile attack, the attack carries the same ludicrous force you know Bang to have-which was made manifest AFTER you prepped your own arm for assault AND hit those other Masked Warror/Wizards-resulting in several, I would assume, potentially burned faces and/or Masks they wear.
>[Emba]Now, again, this is just as it seems to me, but I'm pretty sure they all think the Mask has control over you. If you don't want to get PUT DOWN, then STAND DOWN. Should be easy to do with one arm.
...What?
>>291474
>Ulzrick
What?
> WAKE UP! WAKE UP YOU GIT, THIS ISN'T A DREAM, YOU BEAT THEM IN YOUR SLEEP. WAKE UP.
>>291498
>BOO!

There is a feeling like reality being a jumbled ball of yarn that is pulled so harshly it straightens in an instant, ripping through the thinner, weaker threads in the process. I feel, hear, taste, smell and see a sensation that can only be described as 'juicily cold rot'-

My face is unencumbered, and my still open eyes show me a vastly different reality than I am saw a moment ago.

I see broken, bleeding Masked Warriors scattered across a field covered in broken ropes and chains-I see a clay-covered fighter with a bleeding head wound, twitching on the ground, I see a titanic, gladiatorial Masked Warrior glaring with lurid intensity at me-while I see Bang standing beside me-

As the full-body Iron saturation falls to pieces, blood spurting from my stump as I stumble-

Bang slaps my stump-

Before I can even react, the limb is regrown, nerves re-attached, bones in proper allignement, muscles in full working order-even re-anchoring to Flexrick's network.

>Did Bang just slap-heal you?
>[Gelrick 13] Your term... seems accurate.

>[Bang]"See, I TOLD you he hadn't been taken over by his Mask! He's obviously still in possession of his faculties-so stop trying to paste him! I'm down to rumble if you want to go, though!"
>[Forger]"I DO NOT BELIEVE HIM FREE OF JOGDA'S INFLUENCE-THE MASK WAS NOT REMOVED, BUT VANISHED-IT COULD HAVE BLENDED WITH HIS OTHER MAGICS, BECOME A PARASITE-AND IF HE WASN'T UNDER THE MASK'S CONTROL, WHY DID HE FIGHT SO VICIOUSLY?"
>[Bang]"Couldn't tell you-why don't you ask him?"

Forger's Leather Mask, wrought to appear a fiercely mustached, bulb-nosed warrior filled with rage, turns my way once more.




>...Oh shit I don't know what to say. Who the hell is going to believe we were Dreaming?



What should I say or do?
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No. 291749 ID: d70df4

What the fuck are you doing?! I was covered in beeeee- er, wizards!
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No. 291751 ID: a9629e

Clearly the first thing you need to do is thank Bang for an AWESOME DREAM! And the arm! Whack a wizard was indeed the most awesome theme for a dream ever. Also, let the big guy know that Ogramarick, make sure to refer to him as such, was sent away cause you need to see while awake. Basicly, just be upbeat and thrilled. Maybe say sorry for being so vicious, but fighting while asleep makes it hard to tell when someone is, say, trying to restrain you to beat the hell out of you or to end the fight.
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No. 291752 ID: f88f02

Groan and tell them you thought this was all part of the mask... ness... thing. You were told to take them down. You did so.
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No. 291754 ID: 5b95eb

>JOGDA

FUCK. THAT FUCKIN' YETI, MAN

By the way, mention that you've renamed it, it's now Ogrimarick, and that other terrible name should be forgotten and hated. And say you were dreaming, or sort of in a trance, and weren't fully aware you were punchin' the shit out of real dudes. Be sure to note that this was happening before they tossed you Ogrimarick. And also that Ogrimarick's attempt at control was pretty shitty and fended off pretty easily.
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No. 291755 ID: a6ab09

>>291744
>WHY DID HE FIGHT SO VICIOUSLY?"
they don't call me the ogre knight for nothing
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No. 291757 ID: 5b95eb

also, apologize for messing them up pretty badly
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No. 291764 ID: b9242f

Don't open up the Dreaming can of worms, since if he knows anything about Dreaming and you're obviously not crippled physically, then he just gave a mask to a functioning schizophrenic. Just brazen it out.

"Uh... I just figured ten-or-fifteen-to-one odds was part of the whole testing thing. It was a fight, right? Well, that was me fighting.

Glance around at the quietly bleeding Masked Warriors. "Sorry. Don't worry, Bang can get them up and running again. Speaking of... thanks for the Curatiomancy, man. Losing an arm permanently would have sucked. I mean, I bet I could figure out how to make a Blood Iron prosthetic or something like Master Eisenhardt did, but I'd miss having the real thing."

"Anyway... so Jogda was its name, huh? I hope you weren't too attached to it. I renamed it Ogrimarick. It's kind of this thing I do, renaming my component parts with a 'rick suffix. Helps with Belief and integration." Does it? I don't know, just bullshitting here...

"Thanks for the mask, though; it's kind of uptight, but that phonic illusion thing is amazing. I'm not going to get taken over and become a bloodthirsty Masked beast or anything, that would be really embarrassing."

Glance around. "So... we done, here?" Then realize, turn to Bang, "Why did we come here, anyway?"
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No. 291767 ID: f88f02

>>291764
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No. 291791 ID: d4f98d

Do not treat it nonchalantly. However much you want to, this is a somewhat serious situation, and a bunch of people who didn't really deserve it are lying broken and bleeding.

Hold up your hands by the side of your head, palms toward Forger, and outline the following:

Regarding the mask:
-You are not, and at no point, were under the influence of the mask. Its attempts at mindjacking, both active and passive, were noted, and then thoroughly ignored.

"Also, thanks for mentioning that to me beforehand."

Regarding why you fought so viciously, the truth will suffice:
-You were using a specialized and personalized form of combat magic that, unfortunately, it seems you were not entirely aware of the drawbacks thereof...namely lack of complete lucidity, and thus alot of difficulty using restraint.

If anyone asks why you continued to fight after receiving the mask, point out that in your less than lucid state, once you recieved the mask, you noted the fighter using the ropes or whatever they were to be going after you...which you took to mean the fight was still on.

If anyone asks why you CONTINUED to fight after EVERYONE started dogpiling you:

- Point out that the rules of the engagement had changed mid-fight once already. You just thought they were doing so again.

Afterwards, offer your services as a healer. Particularly the guy who's skull you made concave.
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No. 291845 ID: 21e57a

Dude! Ulzrick! You BROFISTED BANG! Awesome! Hi-five him with your NEW HAND and grin! Yeah, this is how the Orge rolls. Oh yeah, Ogrimarick is a silly git and couldn't mind-fight his way out of a paper bag, but if they're worried, Bang and people can check you, I guess.

Anyway, for as why we fought so hard, just shrug. We were kinda sleepy, we dream-fought everyone, and doesn't everyone fight with every fiber of their being when in the ring? Afte all, Bang could just slap-heal everyone.
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No. 291855 ID: ac9c9d

First: Can you confirm exactly what happened to the mask? I guess it could have been permanently linked with the Dream after Gelrick 17 did the belief magic connection.

Ulzrick: Try summoning Ogrimarick and putting the mask on to show your mastery. The mask is with you now so you must have some way to access it. Hope you just don't have to be asleep every time you want to use the mask. Either way thank the big guy for the really neat mask and reassure him that it's not going to take control anytime soon. You even renamed it to make it fit your style better.

The way you viewed everyone in your dream - is it possible that you saw a very symbolic representation of reality? Perhaps you could access that ability when awake or put yourself into a state where you perceive through the dream filter again.
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No. 291861 ID: 1854db

>>291791
Actually I'm just gonna support this. Tell them you thought you were supposed to still be fighting. Point out you didn't actually kill anyone.
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No. 291863 ID: 81f32a

Just take your mask from musclespace (I think you placed it there, right?)

and have Forger check it out, he should be able to communicate with it through his own mask.

But! do that as last resort though, since it might tell things you would not want it to tell.
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No. 292021 ID: a76809

>>291754
>JOGDA-FUCK. THAT FUCKIN' YETI, MAN
What, explain?
>Trollzaru's name when it attempted to live in the Land of Dragons-not that you really-
You were talking about a yeti?
>...What's the last name you remember hearing?
Jogda
>Hm... By the way, mention that you've renamed the Mask, it's now Ogrimarick, and that other terrible name should be forgotten and hated. And say you were dreaming, or sort of in a trance, and weren't fully aware you were punchin' the shit out of real dudes. Be sure to note that this was happening before they tossed you Ogrimarick. And also that Ogrimarick's attempt at control was pretty shitty and fended off pretty easily.
I... don't know if I want to admit to Dreaming-in some places the magic has a bit of a stigma, if I recall those old tales correctly.
>Nah I remember DYING to assholes that learned I could Dream-some Athelen pricks.
>[Gelrick 19] I lost an arm to a Despardan hero, a Masked Warrior. Not sure how similar my reality was to yours on that front, there's no real consistency for comparison, so this does not mean anything-
>No, it only POTENTIALLY means something, but that you do not have the means to determine if what the outcome will be.
Great, get me worried and leave it unknown.

>>291755

"They don't call me the Ogre Knight for nothing."

>What?
...The fuck did I just say? I mean yes I believe that but... I wasn't going to SAY it.... well...
>You have to adapt to this.
>>291757
"Though I deeply regret causing this level of harm-despite my independence from the Mask, it's power boost did Restrict my sensory input. And to be clear, The Mask IS under my control-and is currently been Named as Ogrimarick. It's power is under my control, its influence, already resistible, now rendered impotent."
>Oh, burn.
>[Gelrick 17] I wonder, would it be able to hear us? I can sense it in the Dream... somewhere though I haven't a clue where that could be-still not even CLOSE to unraveling that particular creature.

>>291764
"While I do have some meager restorative abilities myself, I'm sure-"
>[Bang]"Yeah no worries, I have your back-I'll heal the SHIT out of everyone in need."
>Forger"JUST WHA-"
>[Bang]"Oh lay off it, I won't turn them into living weapons or experiment on them or anything!"
>Forger"T ARE YOU.... WHAT?"
>[Bang]"Oh-WELL BEST GET TO HEALING, PREVENTING PERMANENT IMPAIRMENT AND OR DEATH!!"

My ears ring as Bang kicks off the air itself and hurtles past the titanic Forger, the clay-covered, Leather Mask wearing Masked Warrior, an aged veteran with a patch-work body of piecemeal coloring texture-how he came to look this way... As he comes to in a dazed, jittery burst, Bang has already attended to two more injured warriors. The Forger had all of a moment to glance at him, before Bang, with a windy blast of his namesake, is back at my side.

>[Bang]"Now do get on with getting your ass out of this, it was very entertaining."

Ah..
"What... did we come here for, anyway? You did just drag me out of bed for this with no explanation."
>[Bang}"I got a name that can and WILL answer my questions, most specific in nature, and the expertise to assist with some... cosmetic alteration, I suppose you could term it. I also got to see you proven capable of being a Masked Warrior. There, explanation dispensed."

At this point the titanic warrior, his students once more standing and gathering about him as the Weaver looks on in the distance, amidst her own veritable personal army.
>Forger"YOUR NONCHALANT BANTER DOES NOT PLACATE MY OUTRAGE. YOU HAVE DAMAGED MASKS AND WARRIORS ALIKE, NO MATTER WHAT RESTORATION IS OFFERED, YOU SPLIT THIS OUTPOST AND NEARLY KILLED ONE OF ITS STUDENTS."
>[Bang]"Yeah but I bet those Masks can be made better than ever and as your fellow Masked Warrior-"
>Forger"IF YOU WISH TO CLING TO LEGAL NICETIES-"
>[Bang]"PFFFTHAHAHAHA you think I give a shit about that-just say what you gotta say."
>Forger"AS ONE OF THE TWO PREFECTS OF THE MARTIALMUSCLE COLOSEUM, I HEREBY EXCOMMUNICATE MEMBERS BANG MAGNUM AND ULZRICK, THEY-"
>[Bang]"Yeah okay whatever."

An arm wraps about me-I feel Crash Course drawing close, grasped in Bang's off hand-

We are airborne, climbing so swiftly-

A ninety degree turn the moment we crest the walls-

One hundred feet away, one instant later, Bang kicks off again-

And Again-

And Again-

The world goes quite for a moment-before I see Nidhogg wheeling around in the for-

We snag onto the slower dragon, our force eaten away as we are suddenly just... there.

What just happened?

>[Bang]"So, here's what I'm thinking-There's this badass leader of a now toppled gang called the God Masks-and there is this champion dude with a belt that is-HAHA, you would just have to see for yourself-anyway I figure if we wrap up both those things tonight we can force our way back in-there's a clause dealing with dual law-enforcement and belt contentions-and sufficiently impressive actions can simply tell most official mandates to fuck off-how great is a rule system that allows anything to be overridden with enough awesome? Anyway which one do you want to fight?"

>What-
What?
"What?"
>What?
>[Gelrick 02] What?
>[Flexrick] "What?"









What should I do or say?
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No. 292027 ID: 9ea6ca

Start with "What?!"

Bang obviously needs to explain more.
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No. 292030 ID: f88f02

What?


Anyway.

Say he gets the stronger one.
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No. 292035 ID: 5b95eb

Go for the leader.
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No. 292051 ID: 903f16

>>292021
Fight the former leader of the God Masks. What Bang didn't tell you is that the Belt Holder is some crazy bastard who wears one of the oldest masks in existence, well wear isn't exactly the right word, he sewed the thing to his face and consumed the psyche of the entity inside.
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No. 292055 ID: a9629e

Go for the guy with the belt. The leader of the God Masks is probably Bang's dad. Do you want to fight Bang's dad, who the last time I got a description of him was basically Bang using Death instead of healing? I don't think so. Leave Magnum Boom to Magnum Bang. Also, math Gelrick, you think you can boot us to Bang when he meets up with Boom? Kinda want to be there for that.

Oh, and ask Bang if he can upgrade you during travel. I mean, you only have one heart right now, and your brain only exists in your head. What kind of bullshit is that? You should probably phrase it to him like that too, I think he'd get a kick out of it and be more likely to give you those physical augmentations..
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No. 292057 ID: 0b256f

What "what"?
There's no time for explaining! Take the strongest one, the leader is always a good start. Better ask Bang which one it is, though.
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No. 292148 ID: ebbdc5

>What should I do or say?
You may want to ask Bang for more information on the area, since you're currently in unfamiliar territory fighting unfamiliar folks. Oh, and ask him if he knows what happens to people who get outed using Dream Magic, here and in other places. He's travelled a lot, he may have heard some things.

Yeah, I can't really decide who you should pick. On the one hand, the leader of the God Masks may be Magnum Boom. Fighting Magnum Boom could be terrifying based on all we know of Bang, especially if he uses "Death" the way Bang uses "Life" as we've previously heard. Curatiomancy. Belief, perhaps? They could be unwittingly tapping into both different types of Belief without realizing it. Death belief is nasty stuff.

On the other hand, the Mask with the belt, Leatherface? The reason Boom has publicly stated for doing his mask-collecting thing is to defeat Leatherface. The guy is not a pushover, and he's held the title for being the Most Powerful Masked Warrior for several years now. You'd stand the most to gain from defeating him, but if you do then challengers will start popping out of the woodwork to fight you.

I'd lean towards taking out the leader of the God Masks, for practical reasons. There would be less problems afterwards, since if Bang kills Leatherface, he'd thoroughly enjoy fighting everyone who would challenge him from then on. Then again, if you think that'd be fun, you could try that too. If you do end up fighting Boom, though, you may have to pull your killing blows and beat him nonlethally; I don't get the feeling that Bang actually hates the guy, so killing his dad would be a BAD IDEA­. Rather moot point if he ends up being as durable as Bang, mind you. Sorry, still on the fence. More info needed.
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No. 292292 ID: bbd32e

The mind of Bang is, ultimately, unknowable.

It's one of those things man is better off not knowing. Don't ask for clarification, because that will just be more confusing.

... Go for the Godmask leader, I guess.
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No. 292439 ID: 63fc62

>>292021
"Tell you what, I'll fight that champion dude with the belt on two conditions: One, you gotta be the one who deals the killing blow. Two, I'm not touching that belt. Don't try to tell me otherwise, YOU saw how the big guy reacted to my fight. Defending myself in a situation where I'm outnumbered? The AUDACITY! Being called a monster for using a tool HE gave me- Not to mention he alone knew that the mask would try to mentally dominate the first person that put it on? /insert ulzrick's best imitation of forger's voice here/ "Yeah sure, let's get angry at the foreigner I used as a guinea pig for my highly unstable magic item which could potentially turn the poor sap into a horrible killing machine that could murder all my students and then me- NOVEL. FUCKING. IDEA." ...Anyway, no belt for me. My first impression with these people has NOT been a good one and I'd rather not be the target of national hate crimes. A good fight now and then is fine and dandy, but I've had enough persecution for several lifetimes thank you very much."
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No. 292449 ID: d3dfb8

Champion. The God-Mask guy is Bang's dad.

Don't fuck with the Magnum family, they're terrifying.
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No. 292452 ID: a76809

>>292030
"You get the stronger one."
>[Bang]"Haha that's funny you think I'm giving you the OPTION to choose-make your choice."

Uh...

>>292035
>Go for the leader.
>>292051
>[Grail] Fight the former leader of the God Masks. What Bang didn't tell you is that the Belt Holder is some crazy bastard who wears one of the oldest masks in existence, well wear isn't exactly the right word, he sewed the thing to his face and consumed the psyche of the entity inside.
Uh... that... kinda.. sounds like something a Souldreamer could do, actually.
>You're right-
>Hah, Prime figured it out before First, BURN!
>SILENCE
>LOOOOOOSEER!!
...Jojo spoke of dangers when Souldreamers fought, of layered Dreams-of Dreamers getting lost. Even if for different reasons..
>>292055
>[TMI]Oh, and ask Bang if he can upgrade you during travel. I mean, you only have one heart right now, and your brain only exists in your head. What kind of bullshit is that? You should probably phrase it to him like that too, I think he'd get a kick out of it and be more likely to give you those physical augmentations..
"So Bang, couple things I want to run by you here."
>[Bang]"Fire away."
"So, you are, in fact, significantly stronger than me, both in terms of pure physical might and overall combat effectiveness-is this not so?"
>[Bang]"Can't disagree so far-and?"
"Well, would it be safe to say that you would find either of these targets likely to give you a challenge?"
>[Bang]"I'd expect either to give a radical fight."
"Then, as one weaker than you, would I not be fighting at a disadvantage?"
>[Bang]"You want to pussy out for a handicap?"
"No, I just have tools that my body can't fully use-imbued muscles my skeleton cannot support, a mind that can still be caved in with such ease-such a limiting state. As one unable to heal myself, I cannot change this. But, in the sake of getting to cut loose with what I have-"
>[Bang]"The glow of your muscles is quite intriguing-I've had several theories studying its transdimensional emissions-three that I could test right now, even-another time. You want some souped up, well warded thinking meats and a skeleton that will LAUGHT at your attempts to break it, is that what I am reading here?"

>>292148
>>292292
I ultimately decide that trying to construct shemas to predict Bang's behavior are completely pointless, and simply run with the current moment.

"Yes."

The grin that leers through his Mask's mouthhole does not at ALL fill me with confidence as his hand stretches out-

[DISCONTINUITY]

Bang withdraws his hand as he speaks.

>[Bang]"Okay now cut with the stalling and make a choice."
"...The God Mask Leader, then."

For once, Bang does not smile, manically or otherwise-his eyes do not burn with ludicrous intensity, those chromatic orbs of his. No, his is a face of conflict, faintly worn, for the barest instant-and I saw. Bang is back to his cheerful self without missing a beat-but I saw beneath.

>[Bang]"Okay. with your 'thinking meats' so well insulated, bones so durable-I am eighty nine perecent sure you will survive this-and this way we can reach both targets BEFORE the night ends. So... Here goes!"

Air hardens around me into an indomitable prison, Bang's fist flies forward, his grin almost fatherly the sick bastard-
>OHGODBANG'SFIST

[DISCONTINUITY]

In a bubble without soudn, I hurtle through the air, Crash Course still in hand-

Nearing a different village than the one before on my descent... okay, if I hit the sand, I should be able to reflect the 'weight' of my fall, right?

One pressure-glassed crater from a morphically expanded Crash Course, with a skeleton that does not even creak as Flexrick heaves itself into full throttle, and I earthbound again. Huh, I should have felt more... jarred, by the speed and ferocity of that impact... but I'm just not getting it.

....Okay, I just got punched into the middle of a town that I REALLY hope contains this indescribably evil yet suspiciously vaguely described God Mask guy....otherwise, tired and alone in a strange land-bit unsure of just HOW I'd try to track down this guy otherwise. I see many looking out their windows, squinting as the moon reflects off the newly added reflective surface.







So what should I say or do?
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No. 292454 ID: f6360f

>>292452
Redact things so that you just happened to land a couple dozen feet from some guy. Some guy who happens to be the guy you're looking for.
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No. 292455 ID: f6360f

rolled 59 = 59

>>292454
>Shouldn't that have worked? No plus here, perhaps?
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No. 292459 ID: 903f16

>>292452
You know normally you'd have to work around the problem of being a foreigner, but since you have a mask getting people to open up to you will probably be a hell of a lot easier than it should. Around these parts Masks are held in high regard. Now these people don't know you just got kicked out of a Masked Warrior institution, but what they don't know won't hurt them.

Before you stick that thing on your head though you may want to say something. These people might just get the idea that you're the big bad God Mask leader or something bad is about to happen because you have a leather mask. So say something along the lines of meaning them no harm. Don't proclaim you're a Masked Warrior or the God Mask Leader may run off or something.

Hm, don't speak the language do you? Does anyone in his head speak Desparden? If someone does we can have them be an interpreter, you think of something you want to say, have them translate it, and then you open your trap and say it. Now if no one can, well your new mask may have some programmed into it or something. So find a way to speak the language, tell them you mean no harm, and try to get invited somewhere you can safely grill the populace without having anyone overhear. You could als
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No. 292461 ID: 903f16

>>292459
Or you could use Phohn to ask Burduko and Velada if there are any distortions is space and time in your general area. You could also Phohn up Bobobo and ask in the instances where the leader of the God Masks was in hiding in and around this area what the most common places and guises he used were.
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No. 292479 ID: a76809

>>292459
[The Mask is somewhere in the Dream, as it has been since Ulzrick fully woke. How do you propose to claim it?]
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No. 292482 ID: 903f16

>>292479
It's function seems to be tied with Ulzrick's daydreaming fighting style, so if we try to use said style it may be pulled from the dream and onto our face. Either that or we could pull some Dream shenanigans if we ask Burduko to bring us the Abaeloth cloak in storage. Find some way to invert the function and use our knowledge of Dreams to have it not shoot random junk out, but fire specific items out from the Dream. Even if we can't get that to work Ulzrick could still use that cloak, it'd be pretty bad ass on him.
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No. 292484 ID: a0d5fc

>>292482
+1 on getting the cloak anyway. Just seeing how other Dream based magic works will be useful, and it specifically allows matter to be shifted between the real world and the Dream.
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No. 292491 ID: f88f02

>...Jojo spoke of dangers when Souldreamers fought, of layered Dreams-of Dreamers getting lost. Even if for different reasons..

Don't worry. We're techinically seperate from you, not part of you. So we can pull you out if things get wacky.

I think.
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No. 292512 ID: 81f32a

>>Hah, Prime figured it out before First, BURN!
No he didn't.
I did. >>290060
Or at least was really close to.
You should listen to people more.


First find some kind of tavern, bar, inn or something and question people around. Maybe drink a bit. This day has been heavy.

>>292479
We should ask the Prime-Shard (this is how I will be calling you guys from now, if you don't mind) for help.
Or we could use redaction to get it out of there.

>>292482
The lucid dream fighting style seems to be pretty hazardous. I suggest we find a way to get the mask out of the dream. What the hell is it doing there anyway?


>>292021
>JOGDA-FUCK. THAT FUCKIN' YETI, MAN
>Trollzaru's name when it attempted to live in the Land of Dragons-not that you really-

Ogrimarick:
>Wild mane
>Crazy teeth
>leather
>bony horns

To travel from low-lands, our most favorite yeti had to pass Desparden Desert.
Could it be that Ogrimarick is made out of his remains?
How did the Masked Warriors even got his remain? Well, there could be several ways to do it.
He could have staged a mock-fight, where he abandoned his body so that the Warriors examine and scavenge his remains
He might have offered parts of his body for their services. Maybe he got buddy-buddy with someone like he did in LoD.
Maybe he just downright gave it to them.

But the point stays that he made consistency plans in case he gets destroyed. Like his "memory journal" for example. It looks like something that will make it possible that he comes back to life.
He is one smart yeti.

Could you transfer the information to Mordre? About the title Jogda and your mask. You probably will forget why, but just do it. It might be important information for Mordre.

Also, a side question, when are you going to connect with the Collective again?
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No. 292826 ID: bbd32e

In a way, Magnum Boom - if it is he, Bang only gave it a 73% - is as much your antithesis as Bang's. Order, Belief and Death are his province. His creation contains the Belief (and possibly still the minds) of dozens of Masks, and I imagine functions rather like an Anchor. Like you, save that he is steeped in Order rather than Chaos.

The closer you get to him, the more you should feel... something. A repelling, or an attraction, maybe a vague sense of doom (yours or his, well, who can say?)... something.
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No. 292966 ID: a76809

>>292461
>[Grail] You could use Phohn to ask Burduko and Velada if there are any distortions is space and time in your general area.
To my understanding, since they have not been here before, they could not comment.
>[Grail] You could also Phohn up Bobobo and ask in the instances where the leader of the God Masks was in hiding in and around this area what the most common places and guises he used were.
I attempt this-to find Bobobo being occupied by Mordre-and not likely to be available soon.

>>292826
>[Guile] In a way, Magnum Boom - if it is he, Bang only gave it a 73% - is as much your antithesis as Bang's. Order, Belief and Death are his province. His creation contains the Belief (and possibly still the minds) of dozens of Masks, and I imagine functions rather like an Anchor. Like you, save that he is steeped in Order rather than Chaos. The closer you get to him, the more you should feel... something. A repelling, or an attraction, maybe a vague sense of doom (yours or his, well, who can say?)... something.
>>292459
>>292481
>[Grail] You know normally you'd have to work around the problem of being a foreigner, but since you have a mask getting people to open up to you will probably be a hell of a lot easier than it should. Around these parts Masks are held in high regard. Now these people don't know you just got kicked out of a Masked Warrior institution, but what they don't know won't hurt them. It's function seems to be tied with Ulzrick's daydreaming fighting style, so if we try to use said style it may be pulled from the dream and onto our face. Either that or we could pull some Dream shenanigans if we ask Burduko to bring us the Abaeloth cloak in storage. Find some way to invert the function and use our knowledge of Dreams to have it not shoot random junk out, but fire specific items out from the Dream. Even if we can't get that to work Ulzrick could still use that cloak, it'd be pretty bad ass on him.
I could certainly use a cloak of Dream..... don't suppose it is purple?
>"A violet so dark as to appear sable, a mass that writhes without movement, ready to shoot forth an army of grasping hands, to rend reality asunder and hurl it to the Dream."
Sold.
Phohn?
Yes Ulzrick?
I'm currently on a joint mission with Bang, and require an equipment drop to my location.
Requested item?
The Cloak of Abaeloth, that of Dreams and shadowed hands.
...Administrator Mordre wishes to know with greater detail why you need it.
I'm trying to track a target, and I think they are Order based-and with my Dreaming currently more Chaos oriented than Order, if I had something to amplify my Dreaming, the clash of the two forces should act as a detecting agent. Lacking it I am unsure I can find the target.
Mordre approves the request-and Burduko left five seconds ago.

As I wait, I begin running through what I remember of my dayDreaming, of the sensation of falling into a mundane paradox, a sleepless slumber, a waking dream. The First and several Gelricks all advising me, and I barely notice the change in the winds as Burduko approaches. I look up just as he descends, flickering for just an instant as a cloak so dark as to be a void where light cannot exist laden across his hands.

He flings the cloak to me and vanishes, returning to his other work.

Over my pajamas, I throw my cloak of Dreams about my shoulders-

And I can feel it thrumming in harmony with my own soul, anchoring to the Dream, the past Ownership nullified in an instant by this fundamental resonance.

As I put it on, I feel it-a way to reach that Dreaming state on purpose, not accident.

I partition my mind with the aid of the other 'Ricks, letting a part of me sleep-and as it does I reach those hands of Dream out-

Without realizing it, my hands come up, one before and one behind the crown of my skull, grasping at nothing-only to find leather in hand, the motion smooth, the suddenly present Mask being pulled into place-

I no longer can see, not in the true sense-but the 'Ricks are free to roam within my area-and all are my eyes, and distorted dream world or no-

I can feel the interaction-there IS an Order source in this town, I should-

>>292512
>[7] Ogrimarick: Wild mane, Crazy teeth, leather-so previously flesh, bony horns that are actual bone, teeth that are actual teeth, the name Jogda...
>Now that you mention that... were its teeth and horns ALWAYS bone? I could have sworn they weren't at some prior point... A consequence of recognizing its source, or am I just forgetful
Okay.... Not sure WHO you are referencing, but you obviously think you know something here-specifically whose flesh and bone went into this Mask.

>[7] Please tell Mordre the following: Our most favorite yet passed through Despardos on the way to the Land of Dragons. He made contingency plans in case he got destroyed. Like his "memory journal" for example. It looks like something that will make it possible that he comes back to life. He is one smart yeti.
What now?
>You are forgetting the depth of the alteration-tread lightly about the subject if you want him to process it.
Process what-I mean, he was talking about the Mask-
>A step further, then: Tell Mordre this: A yeti he fought in a duel left a keepsake in Despardos, and it was made into the Mask you now wear, a Bone and Leather affair titled Jogda, before you dominated and renamed it.
>[Ogrimarick]"Thou shalt not speak of the Mask as if it was not present!"
Shush, for once I want to remember something here-.... Okay, I'll tell him that.

The very INSTANT I finish conveying this to Phohn, the reply comes.
Administrator Mordre bids you never reveal that to anyone else for any reason, lest monsters greater than any ever known bring their focus to you.
...Okay....





So... I'm dayDreaming, armed with a Cloak of Dreams and hands I am using to passively amplify my Dreaming, the action that sustains this manual waking sleep, in a realm only partly real and partly within my mind, my soul tugging and repulsed in turn towards a direction slightly off to my left.




How do I wish to proceed from here?
In what manner should I attempt to track down the Order source, and how should I attempt to initiate combat?
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No. 292970 ID: 5b95eb

oh by the way Abaeloth's cloak degraded his soul, as I recall, ate away at his existence over the years, though that might be his Cloak, not his cloak. Just a heads up.
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No. 293028 ID: d4f98d

>>292970
It wasn't his cloak that did that, I thought, but his flesh-reinforcement?
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No. 293083 ID: 5b95eb

>>293028
From the meta-knowledge, it was the "magic style that ate away at his very existence to give his form the ability to 'consume' attacks as they made contact with him", but when we talked to his soul after it ate the other Abaeloth, he did say
>All of it, I welcome, for the chance to once more be complete, unburdened by my Cloak's weight. I had not realized, until it was too late, that some of the cloak's price cannot be recovered, and over the years..."
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No. 293095 ID: a0d5fc

rolled 56 = 56

>>292966
Redact yourself to be blind, and then use physical SoulDreaming to manifest Dream eyes that allow you to see through the mask, indeed to see vastly more than you ever could with physical eyes, that allow you to look into people's magic, body and soul.

Then, experiment what else you can do with physical SoulDreaming to enhance your body. Physical SoulDreaming allows you to use your Dream Body in the real world, DayDreaming allows you to do the opposite, and your Cloak allows you to control the interface. There is much you can do with this.
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No. 293098 ID: 5b95eb

>Redact yourself to be blind
no don't do this
shit being able to see is awesome

If you want physical souldreaming really badly, which is not something I'd really suggest, what with needed to be crippled and all, I'd see Gialgorra for a crazy fucking awesome mechanolimb. But I don't know if it would mesh well with FLEXRICK
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No. 293109 ID: a0d5fc

>>293098
>no don't do this
>shit being able to see is awesome
The entire point of doing this is because being able to see is awesome, and currently Ulzrick can't, thanks to his mask. If he manifests dreaming eyes, then he will still be able to see, just as Jojo can walk, indeed, he will be able to see much better than he could before.
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No. 293244 ID: 593f2d

rolled 31 = 31

Seconding alratan just for the hell of it. hopw you will take responsibility haha
he can redact them back in future if he wants to

I wanted to ask
do you know what exactly Lenryt is? Does the word "planet eater" mean anything to you? I know you know shes powerful but do you really comprehend the scope of it? Just want to be sure.

Also
it is very likely that you are going to fight Bangs father, Boom Magnum (Or was it Boom Bang?)
Keep in mind that he fights without mercy, he always kills his opponent. I mean he killed his wife, so this is going to be fight to the death.
Also he's Bangs father, expect him to be crazy powerful.
Its good thing you had caled Burduko here, if you get near death you can always bail out.

As for now, go to the source of Order.
Have other Us and Gs scout ahead so that you can see with their eyes.
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No. 293395 ID: a76809
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293395

>>292970
> oh by the way Abaeloth's cloak degraded his soul, as I recall, ate away at his existence over the years, though that might be his Cloak, not his cloak. Just a heads up.
Oh sure tell me this NOW after I figure I can probably track my target this way-great, thanks.
>>293028
> It wasn't his cloak that did that, I thought, but his flesh-reinforcement?
>>292083
> It was the "magic style that ate away at his very existence to give his form the ability to 'consume' attacks as they made contact with him", but when we talked to his soul after it ate the other Abaeloth, he did say: "All of it, I welcome, for the chance to once more be complete, unburdened by my Cloak's weight. I had not realized, until it was too late, that some of the cloak's price cannot be recovered, and over the years..."
Okay... so, if I don't use the cloak to consume things, I should be okay, right?
>Would pulling something OUT of the dream, like Ogrimarick, count as a positive thing?
>[Ogrimarick]"There was no net gain from the action-neither was a loss felt. A method different from the one described... Who is this Mordre to have such items and servants at his beck and call?"
Oh, just Anathema trying to conquer the world politely while feasting on the dead, while maintaining a convoluted set of false personas to keep itself safe.
>[Ogrimarick]"....What"
Yeah, currently controlling a nation, moving to take over the land of another that just attempted-and failed-to invade said first nation, got monsters from beneath the ground as his servants-pretty capable boss-man, that one.
>[Ogrimarick]"I know not why... but the name, the description, it's hauntingly familiar."
>....That CAN'T be good, not at ALL. Ogrimarick already knew Mordre? Like Tr... Jogda did?
>The nature of Chronomancy, at least the non-Dreaming form, is still very much a mystery to me.

>>293095
>>293244
>[Alratan]Redact Yourself to be Bline
What NO there is NO WAY I WOULD-
>[7]Seconding
[56 vs 31, +25 BONUS, IMMENSE IMPACT, MAJOR PARADOX THREAT]
>WHAT NO-

[DISCONTINUITY]

For an instant that feels an eternity, I can feel attention on me.... a collection of vast and coldly alien OTHERS...

Dreameaters looking my way.
>I truly wish the Chaos Motes could not do that-I wish this was not our only option.

Still seeing Dreamy fabrications all around me, I can feel-

[DISCONTINUITY] [DISCONTINUITY] [DISCONTINUITY] [DISCONTINUITY] [DISCONTINUITY]


The Dreameaters heading my way just... vanish.

And with them vanishes the presence of the First, only the memories of his skills testament to his presence just a moment ago.

Before I can even process what is happening I realize with a profound sense of dread that I am blind, my sigh gone, lost, broken-

And with that despair, with the loss, I feel a new aspect of Dream, one far too familiar to my early teachings with Jojo, spring into being.

Upon the purple leather brow of my Mask, a single, massive orb, a sable and ochre, piercing eye snaps open-

The Dream is pierced, I see once more the twilight desert city I inhabit-

My vision goes farther, racing down the streets, showing me block after block-

My sight flashes on out of the city and beyond, only stopped by a particularly massive sand dune-

Some several dozen miles away, in the dead of night.

>[Gelrick 01] ...The First burned his existence as fuel to fix the Paradoxes of your Blindness-now you have always been blind, and as such long ago learned how to manifest your power as a Physical Dreamer.
>[Gelrick 17] ...The only Physical Dreamer in the Collective.

I start to turn, to face my peripherals where I still see the Dreamscape, where I perceive the 'Ricks as still being separate of my body-

My gaze passes through buildings, flitting along alleyways as I turn-

In a grungy alleyway seventeen hundred feet away, in a shadowed nook, I see a trio of Masked Warriors, bubbling, gurgling and in general trying to say something without lips-or indeed, without faces.

A tall, thickly built man, dark and ropy, idly flicks blood off a rune-etched Kris, three Masks tucked into his belt-three skinned faces in his hands.

As if sensing my gaze, the burly assailant who mugged the Masked Warriors turns to stare down the intervening distance right back at me-

To begin looming in a vast rush, buildings buckling and bowing away from his freakishly swift and shadowed approach, his blade gleaming like a piece of the sun's heart-I see massive gashes, perfect cuts howling into the buildings even as they seem to wrench themselves out of this warrior's path-

All the while he charges me I feel the sense of wrongness about him, that pervasive power of Order.....






What should I do?
>And will you stop killing us fixing your stupid ideas, please?
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No. 293401 ID: 5b95eb

>First dead, for real this time
>Ulzrick Blind

Gog daaaaamnit why would you second that. You can't redact a redaction, not without major paradox.
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No. 293404 ID: 1854db

rolled 95 = 95

Jesus christ, what the shit!

Sorry dude I saw what was going on, knew it was kinda dumb, but figured you would either just go "no" or make it not dumb. Now that we know we can force you to redact in exactly the way we specify, and there are certain things we need to be specific about... I think we'll be a LITTLE more careful.
(part of the reason that failed so spectacularly was because nobody said how long ago he'd have been blinded)

Good news is, you now have badass dream vision. So get it together. You are FINE. You will WIN THIS.

OGRE THE FUCK UP! Also don't let him touch you with that knife. If he does, redact any serious wounds. Do the usual combat redaction of "I remember dodging that" (rolling for such)

Also now that you're a Physical Souldreamer let's try flexing that muscle a bit. You know how Ozrick does that shit he does? Try doing a bit of that yourself.
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No. 293408 ID: a9629e

Okay, so Boom is charging you... As soon as he's in hearing distance, yell out that Bang sent you. Maybe you can stall a little with talking while you think things through. Maybe see if your new dream eyes are good enough to allow you to analyze his magic in someway to figure out some appropriate ways of not dying.

And fuck, didn't know we could force redactions. Should probably kick us after this fight then, but you seem to be too shaken up to handle Boom without us right now.
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No. 293415 ID: b9242f

> What should I do?
We can place blame on who may or may not have just removed Ulzrick's eyes and caused the First to be Redacted out of existence later, we need to deal with our new friend.

You now possess Physical Souldreaming - and always have, which means you should have a similar proficiency as your old master Jojo. A partitioned part of you is now asleep thanks to the use of the Cloak. See if you can ride your dreaming self to the Godmask leader you just met; Jojo calls this the Dream Path.

This is in effect a near-instantaneous teleport, particularly since you are only moving a few feet. Jojo returns to reality in a prone position, while his body and soul reconnect. But you are dreaming and awake, soul self and body self all at once; I don't think you will need to reconnect anything.

Why redact yourself to having to dodge, when you can achieve the same effect using the less dangerous physical Souldreaming
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No. 293419 ID: 903f16

>>293408
Nah man, it's not Boom. It's just a fighter who also uses Order and maybe Death Belief. They do look very similar though.
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No. 293424 ID: 5b95eb

rolled 69 = 69

>>293404
Seconding "I remember dodging that" style reactions.
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No. 293425 ID: f88f02

>>293401
SERIOUSLY, BOB. I DEMAND A FUCKING EXPLANATION. IT WAS DOWNVOTED. IT HAD MAJOR, MAJOR, REPURCUSSIONS.

"OH, A HUGE FUCKING MISTAKE HAS ONE VOTE! BETTER TAKE IT!"

NOT. COOL. MAN.
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No. 293426 ID: f6360f

>>293425
A bad decision was made. There was no major outcry against it- some, but not a lot- and it went through. Someone died. These things happen.

People die all the time. We've been instrumental in the deaths of tens of thousands, some just as accidentally; what makes one more so terrible? Besides, we knew that he was going to die, ever since he didn't purge that knowledge from himself. He had to die in a way that would stop his knowledge from ever being absorbed- admittedly, I didn't think it would be so soon, but it remains true.

It happened. Accept that and move on; if you really want First back we can spend some time figuring out how to chronomance or redact him back into existence without facing the dream eaters over it. It won't be easy, but almost nothing's impossible.
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No. 293427 ID: f88f02

>>293426
Why should I bother? I won't have any support, it's completely impossible from any angle, and we have better things to worry about. Fuck it. I'm just not in a mood to try anymore.
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No. 293431 ID: 063973

rolled 89 = 89

First off, perhaps alert Phohn, asking for Burduko and Rutgur to travel here and store the three former-Masked Warriors, before teleporting out? It might be a good opportunity for Mordre to gain some more allies in Despardos; otherwise, more souls, hopefully Heroic, for Mordre.

Also, maybe a Redaction, geared toward removing any costs of using the cloak, for you anyways: the complete sacrifice of First, in addition to ensuring you were not eaten by Dreameaters, also ensure that, for you, the Cloak does not take your soul as a price for using its ability - after all, as far as it is concerned, a Ulzrick was completely removed from reality, which means Ulzricks, specifically Prime, are able to use it with impunity.

Also, an idea exploiting the new Physical Souldreaming - though, given the scope of the impairment, I am not quite sure you have the capacity, but one never knows unless one tries - we know that phantom 'limbs' called from the Dream are possible, as demonstrated by Jojo and Ozrick. As these 'limbs' are connected to you, is it not possible for you to replicate the full body metal covering you created back at the Coliseum, with the addition of more limbs to cover? If the scope of your Dream capability can handle it, create multiple sets of limbs; maybe, as a shortcut and something to decrease the needed Dream capacity, manifest - or use them as a base - the limbs of the Ulzricks in your head as the extra Dream limbs?

...Hmm, Physical Souldreaming is done by sending one's body into the Dream, Mental Souldreaming is done by creating power in the Dream; I can't help but feel that you could start doing something similar to Bang's body self-improvements, except with just Dream, instead of Blood Curatiomancy. Just to start, as your eyes are non-functional for their evolutionarily intended purpose, perhaps you can partially send your physical eyes into your Dream, and modify them so that they continually generate magic, or matter - probably metal and water considering the current limitations of your style - by accessing your Dream, where you constantly Dream up the desired product, hopefully passively and without excessive costs to yourself. While it is probably a stretch, Bang might have grown some magic-generating organs within your body while upgrading you before you were punched to where you currently are; if there are such organs in you body, it would be a good idea to use the organs as a base for the eye modifications.
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No. 293433 ID: 3f0c31
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293433

rolled 36 = 36

Ugh. Okay, on the plus side, magic vision. On the down side, magic vision. Sight could be turned off by antimagic crystals. Dream turbulence might cause vivid hallucinations. Probably Deep Spawn as well, given how much trouble Jojo had around them the first time he met them. Hopefully there isn't anything that DOESN'T leave an imprint on the Dream, or it may be effectively invisible to him now. Oh, and hiding his Souldreaming ought to be harder now, seeing as he has a physical tell. Wonderful.

Nevermind. Focus on the fight.

Be careful around that blade. We've run into blades with the concept of "Severance" imbued in them before, and they are nasty. I'm not sure the previous ones would cause buildings to wrench themselves away from the cut, though - maybe this one is imbued slightly differently, like with the concept of "Parting" or something. That would cause separated bits to fly apart, I imagine. Use magnetomancy to keep it from doing anything more than grazing you, and prepare some dream iron for deflecting it just in case your own blade can't stand up to it.

Actually, wait, I have a redaction aimed at minimizing the Paradox suffered; I'd post it later but it seems like "now or never", so...
Ulzrick, remember when you were first learning about Souldreaming via Mordre and Jojo? You usually wore a hood back then, because it hid your eyes. Mordre figured that out pretty quickly, and got you those Tinted Shades, which hide you eyes and mean you needn't wear a hood these days. Arkus even enchanted them later with his "Don't look closely at this" spell, which hopefully will last forever. He was a bit vague on that part. Admittedly, you've got a reputation for being "that guy who wears dark glasses even at night", but still, it's a step up from being "creepy hooded guy".

(+Quick sketch of Ulzrick with enchanted shades. The proportions seem horrible to me, but I should be in bed right now, not drawing. Dunno where the beard came from, his chin just looked lonely without it.)
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No. 293434 ID: d4f98d

>>293433
Pretty much. It's also going to be EXTREMELY difficult to escape the notice of any Dreameaters that DO manifest in this plane/dream, given that our Dream magic is nearly in constant use by necessity.

Still, I very very much like just about everything in your suggestions. Complete support from me.
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No. 293435 ID: 5b95eb

Note: Never never never use cerebral zenith. With Jogda parts, I don't see that going well.
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No. 293463 ID: 714402

You've always had a kind of physical souldreaming ability though. Could you possibly reach into your cloak and follow the paths of Dream, grasping Ozrick's hand to draw him to your side? That is if your brother isn't busy at the moment...

I think you could need his aid for this.
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No. 293466 ID: 5f0943

>>293426
I was actually planning to downvote it. Unfortunately, I forgot to do so.
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No. 293479 ID: a0d5fc

Well, now you've paid the cost, it's time to reap the benefit. Your Dream eye vastly extends your perception, so make use of that. Look deeply at your foe, and see the many possibilities that he embodies, the alternate paths that he could take. Whilst you look, look not just for what he could do, but at the many possibilities of his defeat, and consider what you could do to bring one of those potentials to actuality.
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No. 293481 ID: d3dfb8

rolled 85 = 85

>>293431
Seconding whilst praying to the dice gods.

:3c
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No. 293485 ID: a76809

>>293401
[Correct]

>>293425
[1.If you didn't like the idea, you and every other poster had a day to stipulate this-you did not, and only one poster did downvote the idea, which failed to overwhelm the idea and its seconding post.
2. I have continuously warned to use caution with redactions, and this warning has been ignored.
3. Redaction ALWAYS has repercussion that grow exponentially the less minor they are-'Remember how I was blind' is not a minor one, especially with no stipulation the blindness was recent.
4. There is this thing people do called 'making a mistake' It can happen to quest characters too. If everything always worked, there would be no challenge to this.
5. If you still feel this is absolutely unfair even though I gave warning before the event of the dangers of blithely chosen Redactions, then put in the effort to get Ulzrick to learn how to bring back the First-as observed, it is exceptionally difficult, but not outright impossible.
6. If you want to voice a complaint about how the quest is being run, do it in discussion, which is one of its purposes-and is currently a thread you started, if I recall correctly.
7. In summation, I understand your aggravation at the event, but you could approach this more rationally, even allowing for not having done anything to prevent this from occurring in the first place.]

>>293479
[The Eye is not capable of prophetic glimpses into the future, it would only be Ulzrick's own ideas, same as for everyone else.]


>>293404
> Good news is, you now have badass dream vision. So get it together. You are FINE. You will WIN THIS. OGRE THE FUCK UP! Also don't let him touch you with that knife. If he does, redact any serious wounds. Do the usual combat redaction of "I remember dodging that"
>>293424
>I also nominate "I remember dodging that" style reactions.
>[code]Immediate past Redactions seem to have the smallest risk of paradox, since there is such a brief temporal span in which paradox-creating events could be encountered. They would obviously still be possible, but still, safety has its own virtues.
>Like not dying, I like that one. Dying once was bad enough... ah...

I convert my flesh into iron, my own, that of the Dream-even that of Ogrimarick's Belief, all melding, a total body armoring-my pajama surcoat (this is what I shall call it if asked by residents), a safety to myself in approaching melee combat.

I pull forth Crash Course anyway, whipping it forward as I sway to the left, away from the rushing blade-

It bites into my flesh, and I feel a wave of cutting, biting cold racing through my chest-
>[Gelrick 01] SEVERENCE MAGIC REDACT!
[95 v 69, +26 BONUS, 75+/50+ BONUS, +90 ROLL BONUS, INSTANT PAST, MAJOR IMPACT-----SUCCESS]

[DISCONTINUITY]

I see the blade passing over my head, body arching back as far as possible, and I see the Fang-themed Leather Masked skinner grunt in disappointment-

Even as I feel shadow pains spasming in my chest, from wounds instant a moment ago-I've finally gotten the knack of something that shelters from paradox to a degree-bringing a shadow of the original reality, if a personal Redaction, back with you. By taking the pain with my, I note not even a hint of Dreameater Presence.

My musings distract me from the pain, but not from my attack. With my life spared from his earlier strike, Flexrick finally warmed up enough, steam pouring from my mouth and nose to billow out Ogrimarick's mouth-

I swing a sword roughly eight feet long and more than a foot thick, a massive slab of metal, into the skinner's side with enough strength to break down an aged oak with one blow.

My foe is swatted from the air, trying to get hurled away from the blow-

I snare him with the Gravimancy inherent to the blade and a manage to keep him in place to swing the sword fully around-to bring it crashing to the ground, foe-first, with me pouring on everything I've got as my skin finally begins to tinge a sullen red as the heat in my muscles builds.
>[Flexrick]"I was kinda designed with the intent the skin would allow heat sinkage via steam-just saying, these extended, overheated runtimes? Not the best thing to do all the time. It is not healthy for the muscles to get too battered-they cannot resurge in splendor from everything."
Noted-but not every night involves doing something with Bang.
>And let us be thankful for small miracles.

Something is wrong.

My blade is still above the ground- clenched between hands and feet by a bow-bodied skinner, knife gripped in his leather Mask's maw, body party smashed into the ground-and not budging.

He moves to lunge at Crash Course with the knife in his mouth, aiming to Sever my blade-

>>293431
>>293481
I know how much power lies in a Dreamer-one passing carries a certain amount of power. Cold as the thought may be, I could use what happened to open the way to this cloak's true purpose.

[89 v 85, +4, +75/+75 HIGH STAKES BONUS, IMMEDIATE PAST, MAJOR IMPACT-----SUCCESS]

[DISCONTINUITY]

I remember The First's death as having rendered my own soul as effectively 'fully fed upon' to the cloak I wear, the price for its power already paid in full-and I feel the menace in the finery wink out. Without hesitation, I levy my Will upon my cloak of Dreams-

For hands of shadow to explode forth, racing towards my foe's immobilized form, the scrabbling writhing rustle they make sounding hauntingly like children's laughter.

My foe's body tenses and he hurls away my blade, its weight swinging free unbalancing me before I shrink it back down, even as the skinner wrenches free of the ground to dash back in an instant, immensely wary of those claws of Dream grasping for him.

He flicks his blade back into his hand, on the balls of his feet, as he narrows his eyes at me over the writhing hands that cease to extend further past twenty feet.

>[Skinner/God Mask?]"I cut you. Now you are not cut. There was no healing or regeneration-the wound occurred, then did not. ...That cloak and its hands, that eye.... you are a Dreamer."

His stance gets lower, wider, as if he now carried a mountain on his back.

>[Skinner/God Mask?]"I shall enjoy taking your Mask and face alike."

The ground buckles beneath him a crater from nowhere as windows shatter, timber snaps and even the voices calling out from his earlier passing are drowned out in the frightened awakenings all around us.

A wall of air that feel like stone slams into me, blasting me off my feet. Crash Course still in hand-

For the Skinner to flash into view before me, darting above the shadow hands, knife held high, angled for my throat.








What should I do?
How should I try to counter this attack?
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No. 293493 ID: d3dfb8

rolled 11 = 11

You remember scoffing at his attempts to be faster than Bang. You're used to this shit, duck and cleave motherfekker.

"Heh, you really are a Magnum aren't you? Personally I prefer your son. He's a cool guy. He wished he could be here but he's busy with that creepy leatherface guy."
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No. 293497 ID: d3dfb8

>>293493
Welp, I've just been informed that this is not infact Boom. Lucky Ulzrick eh?
Phohn up Bang and tell him that this isn't Boom.
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No. 293499 ID: a9629e

Actually, you should taunt the bastard about the fact that he isn't Boom. You came here expecting to fight a Magnum, and his lame ass is all you got? Piss him off, get him reckless.

Also, don't redact. But flex away, and flex kick, knee, and slash the bastard all at the same time before he realizes where you went.
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No. 293502 ID: f157b7

rolled 15 = 15

>>293493
Fuck year redactions!
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No. 293508 ID: f157b7

rolled 80 = 80

How about you redact it so you swung the blade down and making it massive as you saw him kick off, so we could anchor ourselves.
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No. 293515 ID: a9629e

rolled 5 = 5

>>293508
Seconding this.
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No. 293520 ID: 714402

This guy is very intent to come at you. Perhaps you should take a defensive stance and lure him into a trap.

With your dream vision can you identify the nearby sources of water? If you could move close to one and increase the surface area of your metal armor by adding thin cooling fins then you can easily use any nearby water to continuously cool your body through evaporation.

What you want to do is to focus on your Flexrick area of muscle dominance and strike in ways that don't let him bring his blade to block. Whenever he comes in range just pummel him from a distance through muscle space. If you let parts of the Cloak of Abaeloth ride your limbs through muscle space then the vibrating Crash Course and shadow hands could strip his skeleton bare in no time.
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No. 293521 ID: 1854db

>>293502
What the fuck are you doing? QUIT THAT SHIT.
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No. 293522 ID: a0d5fc

>>293485
>[The Eye is not capable of prophetic glimpses into the future, it would only be Ulzrick's own ideas, same as for everyone else.]

If it can't see the future, can it see alternate presents, so you can see what could be, and learn from that, in a more tactical version of how Boboobo works?

More importantly, for the present, you're a Magnetomancer. Magnetise your body very strongly, and then as your foe's kukri is about to be yanked towards you, simultaneously Flex yourself to be directly behind your enemy.

Show him that Severance has two edges, and one of them can be forced on him.
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No. 293528 ID: 1854db

Oh hey I forgot about something you can do.

Remember your flex-magnetomancy? Try doing that to drive his dagger into himself. You'd have to somehow link up your sword and his dagger though.
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No. 293531 ID: a0d5fc

rolled 47 = 47

Enough times has now passed for some of Bang's more complex manipulations to express themselves, as you feel the greater depth to your thoughts, thoughts you realise are not just based around neural activity but also the computational potential of DNA. With this thought, you realise that Bang has given you not just another substrate for your thoughts, but some form of genetic knowledge.

For now, much of this can wait, and many of the potentials Bang has given you can be discovered another day, but for now you should use your greater faculty for spell equations to boost your Magnetomancy.
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No. 293533 ID: 714402

rolled 69 = 69

>>293531
Seconding for Bang's hidden beneficial gifts.
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No. 293544 ID: 3f0c31

>>293493
>>293508
I'm AGAINST these redactions, for the record (>>293531 sounds fine, though). I don't trust the dice right now, so for the moment stick with basic injury-prevention redaction and succeed using other skills.

>>293522
>More importantly, for the present, you're a Magnetomancer. Magnetise your body very strongly, and then as your foe's kukri is about to be yanked towards you, simultaneously Flex yourself to be directly behind your enemy.
I like that idea. Do this, but make sure there is some space between you and him after Flexing. His own body wouldn't be much of an obstacle to a severance blade, so you need to be ready to catch it (magnetomantically or physically) if he loses his grip on it or something.

Be careful and pay close attention to him. He's unbelievably fast, and covered the 1700 feet between you far quicker than I would've expected him to.

A thought: He may be an Aeromancer of some sort. It looks like he just used an explosion of compressed air, and that would explain how he forced buildings apart in his path - he could Sever them with his blade, then control the air in the gap to push the halves apart. A neat synergy, and a dangerous one at that. That would also explain why he can move so fast, an aeromancer being almost always in contact with his medium. Perhaps there's a way to test whether he is an aeromancer or not and combat him at the same time... a Lucid Dream of fighting him underwater, for example, or in orbit. An orbital dream could give you an advantage with Crash Course's Gravimancy for movement, but I'd guess the dream would be fragile due to its exotic nature. An underwater dream would probably slow you both down, with no net gain unless the airlessness weakens him.

Try the underwater dream if you get a spare moment to focus on it.
I prefer the orbital one, but I doubt you have enough experience with space to dream it up convincingly.
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No. 293545 ID: 81f32a

rolled 32 = 32

Alas, Yor- First, we knew ye well...

This is why you should have gotten Dream Guardian! She would have protected and put her life for you! (assuming you had survived the initial paradox)

At least we got bitching eyes in return
Some things to consider to do with your Eyes.
Since they are Dream Eyes, you could make them do anything. You could have eyes as powerful if not better than Kaiseras, or at least Bangs.
Try to make them so that you can See magic and identify it.
Make your eyes such powerful sensory constructs that they can See threats several seconds into the future (like Keddics eyes)
Make them so that they have omni-directional vision (like Bangs)

.... Hmmm, that makes me think, we could potentially sacrifice other Ulzricks and Gelricks for awesome upgrades- Don't worry, we'll never do such things! ... hmmhmm

>>293408
>And fuck, didn't know we could force redactions.
Me neither.
I'm pretty damn sure I had made a successful redaction before (as in, not voted down and seconded) which got completely ignored. Not that it was anything important and all, but the fact stays.
This opens up interesting possibility. I wonder if we can force Dolrick to redact if we ever get into his mind again. He got his dream powers back if I am not mistaken.

Actually, I am kind of sad that First is gone. I was waiting for the time when you reconnect to the Collective again (when are you going to do this?) and go :"Hey guys I'm back! And look, First is also here! He totally survived!" and shock them with our awesome competence and get the leading position on Colelctive again.

But not all hope is lost, he had sacrificed his existence before and we managed to pull him back. We made a major paradox back then but we learn from our mistakes (or not, judging with blindness redaction).
This time we will redact him much carefully. First we must remember to redact him back into existence and not redact that he never died, in other words, we will acknowledge his sacrifice and his redaction will be after that to avoid another major paradox.

Hmm, we might want to do it in several stages.
Here's my proposal to bringing him back:
First, Ulzrick, try to recall the first time you pulled him back to life. You were inexperienced back then and did not manage to fully reform him, but now you have much more experience and knowledge. The Shard can help you too.
The redaction in case that is not enough: remember that you got the knowledge to pull First back again. To avoid paradox impacts due to time, remember that this dormant knowledge got open to you when First sacrificed himself again. With his second passing and the first reincarnation, you got sufficient knowledge and skill to redact him much more safely that you would before.
This redaction is like a warm-up to actual reincarnation. I think I managed to keep the paradox impact low (the time should be immediate as the information was gained because First died the second time, the impact should be also lessened somewhat because we aren't pulling this out of cosmic arse but building on Ulzricks skills and experience)

>[Gelrick 17] ...The only Physical Dreamer in the Collective.
Really?
Have no one ever done Physical Dreaming? I'm sure some of you had you limbs lost. Actually someone from the Shard commented how a Desparden warrior took his limb off.
Never bothered to try your hand on Physical Dreaming after that? I'm sure you knew it existed.
Also, doesn't this actually make Prime Mantal/Physical Hybrid rather than just Physical? Wouldn't this make him even more awesome? This might open whole world of possibilities.

In retrospect, we kind of messed up with the eyes, didn't we? And I don't mean the death of First.
I mean that we were not thinking outside the box. Why the hell did we actually need to become blind at all?
Ulzrick posses power to make dream reality, we could have come up with something better for dream eyes. We should have redacted that Ulzrick has actual, third eye which sees with the power of the Dream.
It could have been physical, but that would just be gross ... no, we should have restricted it to work only when Ogrimarick is on. As in, it awakes when we pull the mask on and lose the conventional sight. (the restriction would give it additional power-boost)
Of course we need to learn from our mistakes, if we did such redaction, we should specify that we did not have this ability forever but only when we got the mask did we manifest the Spirit Eye.
Or something like that.


As for the fight itself.
It seems that most of the danger comes from his knife. Do you think you are good enough at Magnetomancy to manipulate it (if it is indeed made out of metal)? If we manage to remove the knife, I think the fight will be easier.
You could fight in such a way as to manipulate your cloak to meet the knife and consume it.

I agree an trying to get your brother here. Do you really need to be in visual range to have him port here? I don't think so, you probably just need to see the place where you are teleporting him. But if you really need to See him, you can use those awesome eyes of yours to see his location, then use the visual data from the Shard to get him into position.
But be careful, even if your brother is a dream construct which normally can't be killed, this foes strong Order could potentially harm him.

As for the offense.
Do the phonomancy pseudo-illusion thing again. And just like before make it so that it does not sync up with your movement at all. Not only that, but constantly change your patterns so that your enemies can never be sure how you will hit (for example, you punch with your left hand, the illusion lags behind a moment. The next time you punch with your right hand, the enemy will be ready for your illusion- But! this time the illusion attack from above. etc)
Actually, you could have the several from Shard manipulating the illusion so that you don't spend your attention on it. This will additionally make the unpredictability even higher.
Hmm .... since your Shard is running around in your pseudo dream... could they affect the physical world? Could they also get into the fight? Maybe you could get your illusion to encompass their forms so that they also can fight? (make them to look exactly like you if this works)

Don't forget the good technique of telepunching. Punch him in his balls from behind, having the fist go up diagonally in an angle which will be hard to spot.
Punch him from above on his head.
Punch him from the sides.
...Just punch him in unconventional and unpredictable positions and angles.

For dodging: use your teleflex ability more often. I suspect that getting hit even once with his knife will have awful consequences. So it is better to avoid his blows rather than trying to block them.
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No. 293546 ID: bdd665

Hey, guys. Listen, a good 3 or four times now our redactions have gone bad. I dont want to get Ulzrick killed or worse.
So how about we cut down on the redactions?
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No. 293550 ID: 5b95eb

Teleflex behind him and hit him in the back.

A thought for later is to see Gialgorra. With a bunch of Bang eyes to dissect (For crazyvision), there's a chance he can make mechanoeyes. Gotta be expensive though, wait until the State's not crippled by debt.
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No. 293554 ID: 063973

Well, as he apparently fears your Cloak, why not move the hands so that you are covered with misshapen sphere of shadows, impairing outsiders' sight of you (along with their physical attacks) while you are unhindered because of your Dream Eye? The hands certainly have enough range. Still, be prepared to teleflex away immediately if he somehow isn't affected by the hands; with that Severence, he might be able to just cut his way through.

Also, Muscle Space should function as a sort of a backdoor Arcane-like Tractomancy for you; since you can teleflex things that aren't heavily Owned, perhaps you should teleflex those three Masks the Skinner took from those Masked Warriors on his belt? While the Ownership might be a problem, those Masked Warriors are pretty much dying, so they shouldn't be much of a problem, and Skinner hasn't had the Masks for long, I don't think, so his Ownership should be pretty weak. (Though, since he is very Ordered, he might actually have exerted massive Ownership over the Masks, but the gains make the attempt worth a try, I believe.) Even if you can't wear them, the Belief pool they tap into should be the same as Ogrimarick's, so you would have a greater amount of Belief to use to enhance your magic.

On the topic of more Belief sources, the Purple Iridium in Crash Course draws power from Belief. While the Belief saturation from another source might interfere with the following, it should be worth a try; the Gravimantic effects of Crash Course stem from the Belief it draws from the Purple Iridium it is partly composed of. As evidenced from your work in pulling the Belief Ogrimarick draws, you can use the Belief imbued in items for other purposes. Therefore, could you not, using Crash Course as a channel, take the Belief in the Purple Iridium and imbue it in the metal covering you, granting you, among other things, flight (from the Gravimantic repulsion from the center of the planet) and increased melee damage (as you pull your opponent towards you while accelerating toward your foe)? Also possible, I would think, would be staying still in the face of that sonic boom/wall of compressed air, as you increase the attraction to the center of the planet while repulsing, Gravimantically, the compressed air around you. (...Crash Course can actually do that - the being unaffected by the compressed air thing - by itself, I think.) As a bonus, the color of the metal should turn purple as a result.

If the two Belief sources cannot be mixed together at your current level of aggregate skill, perhaps redirect the Purple Iridium Belief to Flexrick and/or your skeleton? It should accomplish much the same things, and there is metal in both of the targets in which to imbue the Belief if you can't place it all over. With Flexrick, I would imagine that you could actually use your muscles as a means of attack: manifest a muscle, imbued with Belief for increased strength and durability, which would accelerate toward the target assisted by the Gravimantic effects of the imbued Belief and Magnetomancy while the target is drawn toward the muscle. Given sufficient magic, that attack should inflict a lot of damage.
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No. 293563 ID: f88f02

>>293485
I had company over. My frustration is that this happened while I was away. I understand nothing can be done. I would have downvoted it, had I been here at the time. So 1 and 7 don't really apply to me.

And if you have characters make huge, unavoidable mistakes with a single vote of support, then I don't really see much of a point, anymore.

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No. 293595 ID: fa32c3

for now at least I'm against doing anymore redactions beyond remembering not getting hit. we fucked up and forced you to lose your sight and the first.

Yes he sacrificed himself to keep the dreameaters away, but that doesn't mean they've left the area yet
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No. 293639 ID: a6ba65

Aeromancy sounds likely, though it's not impossible he's using Ignimancy; Bang uses something similar to harden the air, and shifting electron charges around could probably result in the Severing effect we've seen.

This guy does seem like a pale reflection of the Magnums despite all his power, doesn't he? Taunting might be good.

Your opponent has Order. Souldreaming and Soul magic in general seem connected somehow; does this mean you can imbue yourself with Chaos?

The Cloak infused with Chaos should do two things. The hands become more erratic, more difficult to predict and dodge. And we know that Chaos releases huge amounts of energy. Why do we have to keep the Cloak's power in the shape of hands? Just radiate that energy like light to present no opening.
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No. 293978 ID: f88f02

>People still suggesting Recursions

FUCKING WHY.

Stop it. STOP IT. Seriously, we are in deep shit already, and it's been shown we will lose MORE if we don't fucking stop! Step away from the fucking keyboard, move the mouse away from the fucking reply button, stop suggesting redactions. I'm downvoting every single fucking post with one in it aside from remembering we didn't get hit or similar, safe redactions. We are not doing this anymore. It's enough. We're done. Stop it.
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No. 293988 ID: 1854db

>>293545
NO REDACTIONS.

I'm okay with the rest of that I guess. Hmm. Ulzrick, think you can flexport directly behind him and GRAB him, so that the cloak eats him?
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No. 293992 ID: d3dfb8

>>293545
>bring back first
NOPENOPENOPENOPE
>.... Hmmm, that makes me think, we could potentially sacrifice other Ulzricks and Gelricks for awesome upgrades- Don't worry, we'll never do such things! ... hmmhmm
Have I ever told you that I hate you?
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No. 293993 ID: f157b7

>>293545
This is the dumbest thing to ever forever. Doing this will not only end your existence but the existence of the entire collective as they are devoured by a horde of dreameaters.

Seriously, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think this would work after such a massive and major redaction. We just changed our entire existence on this planet as it is known.

Downvoting this so hard I count for three regular downvotes.
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No. 294000 ID: a76809

>>293508
>>293515
I remember-
>Memories cross my mind, a lesson now never to be continued [Remember, Redaction is about dedication power, and without knowing how much will be needed, using up as much as possible. Efficiency, that is the key]

>80 v. 5, +75 MASSIVE BONUS, +75/-25 MASSIVE BONUS, IMMEDIATE PAST, MODERATE IMPACT------SUCCESS

[DISCONTINUITY]

I remember the sure grip of the expanded Crash Course in my hand, an unshod foot braced against the enlarged blade staked in the sand underfoot.

More importantly, my new positioning places my cloak's questing hands in the way of my leaping assailant.
>Eat this asshole.

A hundred hands of shadow made manifest writhe over and around the knife wielder-for the rapidly formed sphere of writhing darkness to explode, his strangely unharmed body rocketing away towards a nearby building. As he smashes through the second floor walls on sheer momentum, I hear a scream from within.

The skinner stands amidst the rubble and dust of the collapsing roof, a bucking woman gripped by the hair.

His leather mask opens-and beneath, instead of lips, are shadows all too similar to my cloak-and Mordre's hand.

The struggling woman is pulled into his maw-and his low-key panting subsides as he stands straighter.
>Oooh shit. And in a city FULL of people for him to feast on.

>[Skinner]"You know I was expecting Bang to be the one that actually pushed me to feed in battle-so who are you, Dreamer, to face me with such ferocity?"
"Ulzrick will do fine-among other things, I'm Bang's understudy."
>[Skinner]"I was to force Bang to become a cannibal to best me-or perish. Instead, a Leather Masked foreighn Swordsman.... very well, Ulzrick-I look forward to the taste of your existence-I wonder where you shall rate, on this God Mask's palate?"

The first floor collapses beneath him, the entire building pushed into the sand beneath as if by a massive fist, the Skinner darting at methrough the air, a blurred from with a knife at the ready-
>[Gelrick 17] You have seen his direct charge vectors and gained an average for his velocity.
>[Gelrick 01] You have seen several of his attacks-even tasted one with your flesh, if in a now forgotten dream.
>You have him locked in the middle of your true vision, perfectly identified.
>[Gelrick 09] You were also EXPECTING it. Show him what you can do.
Flexrick
>[Flexrick]"Musculature into Overdrive! Flexxing quotients are overwhelming and glisten with hard work!"
>[Gelrick 17] I still don't know if its a coded behavior set that evolved into an intelligence, or if the intelligence was built in....

My body blurs as my spine twists, my legs are divided, one planted, braced, the other kicking, shifting-

What I do happens swiftly, and only is fully known to my mind after I do it, and I see the sprays of blood.

I kick my sword through the sand as I shrink it back to shortsword size, the momentum setting it whirling in a blur, only attached to my hand by sheer magnetism at this point.

My Magnetomancy brings my iron-coated hand into synch with the rotating blade, fingers smoothly sliding about the hilt once more as I enlarge the sword.

The nearly blade taller than either myself or my foe slashes downward like a an executioner's axe, aiming at his right shoulder.

Midair, already commited to his attack, and not yet aware I had adjusted to his attack format, the God Mask is caught unprepared.

Fast forward to now, as the God Mask's arm goes flying, all the gravimantic weight behind the blade channeled into the removed limb-while it is blasted away to points unknown, the blade is left behind-

And is promptly stabbed at my throat.

>>293520
As he stabs forward I react without thinking, tapping Flexrick-

I telepunch his arm away, the blow coming from my right, his left-I see the confusion in his eyes, even as I get into gear, capitalizing on the knife that MISSED me.

I hit the God Mask as fast and unrelentingly as I can manage, full-bodied blow after blow pounding home even as the one-armed knifist is propelled away-and smashed through one building and into another by my onslaught.

It took all of three seconds, from his leap to his return to a broken structure.

And I hear the screams within-the Chaos in my coat and body sing-I can feel Order at work as I fear my foe to be feeding... restoring himself on the death of the common folk.

>[God Mask]"...I really DID underestimate you.... my apologies."

>>293493
>>293502
>>293531
>>293533
>>293545
>Redact
>>293978
>>293988
>>293992
>>293993
>NO REDACT

[CHAOS MOTE WAR]
[The influence of Chaos wanes as it is spent warring!]

>...Huh.







What should I do?
>Redactions now require THIRDING to be accepted until the CHAOS MOTE WAR ends.
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No. 294002 ID: f88f02

"People have a tendancy to do so. No biggie."

Again. No more redactions. Gonna keep saying this until it's drilled into your skulls, but at present, it's one of the few things that CAN instagib us.

One other thing, Ulzrick: If any idea we present seems strange or really stupid to you, feel free to ignore it. We... uh, we appear to have accidentally gained the ability to force you to do things, just now. Sorry.

...
YOu have inherently chaotic abilities. Chaos plus Order = LOLWTFBBQKABOOM. He should know this, since he works with the stuff... INFUSE THE AREA AROUND HIM WITH CHAOS.
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No. 294003 ID: d4f98d

rolled 44 = 44

Alright:

Remember how you, instead of beating him into yet ANOTHER building full of innocent people, you're first strike pounded him into the dirt before you and you proceeded to BEAT THE PISS OUT OF HIM into the ground?
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No. 294005 ID: f6360f

>>294000
>[CHAOS MOTE WAR]
Ahaha, awesome. This Chaos Mote War shall be concluded only when one Chaos Mote stands as the true Emperor Mote, acknowledged by all who have not been brutally and verbosely argued into submission. Who shall it be? Will it be you? What awesome authority and power shall the Emperor Mote wield? Does it even matter?

Find out- as the Chaos Mote War continues, after these messages.
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No. 294007 ID: 903f16

rolled 20 = 20

>>294003
Seconding.
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No. 294008 ID: 63fc62

>>294000
Instead of pounding this dude further into the town where he can feast freely, why not knock him away from it? Use the flat of crash course's blade like an oversized bat and send the fucker flying.
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No. 294014 ID: a9629e

>>294007
Thirding
(Do we need to roll for thirding? I'm assuming not)

Also, from this point on, be prepared to tele-punch him away from buildings/people anytime you send him flying. And maybe avoid punching him in the mouth so he can't eat your arm.
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No. 294015 ID: 7f017c

>>294005
[This message is a paid broadcast by the Chaos Mote society to elect NaiveOne]

Dear Chaos Mote Brethren and Sisterin,
Look at the issues around us today! Ulzrick is in a small panic, Morde is at risk of being exposed as Anathema, and our time punching faces has fallen 50% since the third quarter. Chaos Motes, are you tired of this? Are you tired of silly wars where mote brother must fight mote fathers?

I say that Chaos can be better than this! Just as I brought Pristine Souls with correct predictions of the future, I can predict our own form of pristine's now. But only if you join the NaiveOne army of this war, and vote for me.

For a Chaos that is truly new! For a Chaos that we all can agree on.

Vote Chaos. Vote Naive.

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No. 294018 ID: 063973

...Ulzrick, why did you punch the guy into a populated building, when you knew he was just going to eat people and reverse any and all damage you manage to do to him?

Anyways. Get him out of the city; given your brute force capabilities, in particular, the Gravimantic effects of Crash Course and Flexrick-enhanced punches should help in that endeavor. That is, get inside that building and near enough to the Skinner to punch the guy out of the building, into the air above the buildings, where you punch and cut and throw the guy very much far away from any populated centers while not so quickly that you lose the guy either. To assist in getting the Skinner out as quickly as possible, rapidfire teleflex to the limits of your ability.

Make sure to get that knife out of the way: preferably by laying claim to it with Will/Dream Magnetomancy - on the blade itself, or on the surrounding magnetic fields - assisted with removing the knife to another realm of existence by the Cloak/Flexrick (and, hopefully, the blade's Severance properties to sever any ties the Skinner may have to the knife/blade/hilt/any part of the knife) to prevent the Skinner from wielding it. However, any method that gets the knife out of his ability to use it while not allowing it to be used against you (e.g. destroying the knife using the Cloak to send all the matter comprising the knife scattered across the wide expanse of the Dream is fine, flinging it as far as you can out of the way where someone could easily pick it up is VERY MUCH NOT FINE) completes that objective.

Also on the agenda of getting things away from him, get those Masks from him - the three tucked into his belt, and the one he wears. For the three, I would suggest a combination of Crash Course and Flexrick: Crash Course can cut the belt and the Gravimantic capability to move the Masks into your area of effect, and Flexrick to teleflex them safely (hopefully, anyways) out of his reach, while allowing you to draw more Mask Belief. If it is available, the knife, with its Severance, might be useful for cutting the belt. For his Mask, cutting off the head should work, I guess.

Also, looks like the the Cloak won't work; I suppose the pervasive Order around him is rejecting the Chaos of the Cloak. Oh well; your Cloak should still work on things that aren't him.

>>294002
...This sounds like a bad idea: Chaos/Order explosions, so far, have been pretty big, and with the Order the guy's got going, the amount of Chaos needed to create the explosion, as well as the size of the explosion itself, I fear that Ulzrick would be caught in the explosion as well. So, downvote, until/unless the wanton destruction to the surroundings from the explosion is such that anything of importance - not the Masks, though it would be unfortunate if they were destroyed - like Ulzrick and any innocents are not in danger.

>>294003
Won't that risk Major Paradox? Skinner is eating a bunch of people, and the Redaction, to my understanding, would accrue Major Paradox due to all the people it needs to put back - souls, meat, and all - along with the trauma inflicted the watchers and buildings, along with the damage the Skinner is currently healing by eating people (and there is the magic stamina he gains through eating, as well). Downvote, I suppose.
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No. 294020 ID: d3dfb8

rolled 92 = 92

>>294003
>>294007
Thirding I guess.
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No. 294022 ID: d3dfb8

rolled 20 = 20

Remember how people started evacuating the second this fight started? Shouldn't anyone left hanging around by now.
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No. 294023 ID: 903f16

rolled 25 = 25

>>294022
Seconding
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No. 294027 ID: a6ba65

>[Skinner]"I was to force Bang to become a cannibal to best me-or perish.
"You will not be getting the opportunity. Whatever your name is - and I do not care, the dead have no need of names - you will end here."

Your opponent survives by feasting on blood, flesh and souls. Well, the next time he opens that maw, rework your shadow hands into one massive shadow/Dream construct. Then jam your shadow hand inside and let Abaeloth's cloak do what it does. I rather imagine it'll draw his sustenance right out of him, leaving him a mere husk of a monster.

>>294015
My fellow Motes, I come before you with one purpose only; to point out and make public the dishonesty of my opponent, Boss Jim W. Naivemote, and the downright villainy of his political machine.

I made no campaign promises because until a few minutes ago I had no hope of winning the election for Emperor Mote of our section of Ulzrick's brain. Well, now I have something more than a hope. And my opponent has something less than a chance.

Every straw vote, every independent poll shows that I'll be elected. Now I can afford to make some promises!

The working Mote and the nameless Mote can expect my best efforts to protect their interests.

Well, I'd make my promises now, if I wasn't so busy preparing to keep them! Well here's one promise I'll make and Boss Naivemote knows I'll keep it. My first official act as Mote Emperor shall be to elect a special district mote to arrange for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Jim W. Naivemote!

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No. 294029 ID: d4f98d

>>294018
Thats not what a paradox is, unless we've suddenly started attributing it a different meaning than the norm.

A paradox is a contradiction of key elements. If we were to, say, have ulzrick Redact his Ability to Dream: Your using your using your ability to dream...to alter your ability to dream retroactively.

When we resurrected the First, we tried to redact getting hit on the head, which would have resulted in us...not being able to redact. Paradox.
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No. 294044 ID: 81f32a

>>293988
>>293992
>>293993

You jerks didn't even read the the redaction suggestion, did you? You just saw the mention of reviving First and redaction roll and just jumped to conclusion.
Now we are in war thanks to you.
Neighbors killing neighbors, former friends now turned into merciless enemies, children turning on their parents. War, death, rape, misery all around us. Ideologically turned apart, now we battle like rabid dogs.
And this used to be such a nice country too.
Good job, guys.

I for one want peace, prosperity, safety. I want our children growing up without the hardships we have faced. I want to be proud of our humble nation.
Alas, I can't do this. I must admit, I'm not a man suited for this..
But! I know who is!
>>294015
Comrade Naive!
Stand with The Great Man,
He will lead us to glory! No longer will we be under the oppression of vile traitors who plundered this great nation. No longer will we live in fear. No longer will we starve.

Do not listen to >>294027 dirty lies. I can attest personally how he conspired with the enemy against our own people. YES, I saw with these very eyes and heard with these ears how he was planning with the vile First to take our this nation [Ulzricks body] with the promises to get preferential treatment. I have the evidence here in my hands!
He is a liar and a traitor!

Dear citizens of Tr- our great nation, I implore you..
Choose Naive. Choose prosperity. Choose .... your future



>[Skinner]"I was to force Bang to become a cannibal to best me-or perish."
HAHA! He thinks Bang has morals. How cute.
Sorry, but someone already beat you to this, dear friend.


Btw guys, with Firsts second death we received some unnerving information. It seems that he was planning to kill Ulzrick and take over his body from the very beginning. Remember what he said when you revived him?
>You're that Ulzrick that got injured. Then-This is your body. ...And I cannot control it.
Yes, that is what he wanted to do.

Also,
>[21:17] [Redacted]: he wanted to make YOU the one to physically die, since you were the one that fucked up and entered the Collective that way, and take your body
>[21:17] [Redacted]: it failed because Ulzrick is an Anchor and has multiple psyches
>[21:17] NaiveOne: huh, we coulda been Firstrick?
>[21:17] [Redacted]: so all this time he has been trying to gain Ulzrick's trust, so he could eventually trick him into an opening where he could re-attempt takeover
>[21:17] [Redacted]: with him no longer in existence, that is no issue
>[21:18] NaiveOne: jeez, can't even trust an Ulzrick
>[21:18] [Redacted]: as while he did not give two shits about you, he cared about the Collective more than his own life.

I thought he was cool guy. Wanted to revive him.... but now, I'm not too sure.
He's expertise would be very useful and indeed it had been in the past.
What do you guys think?

I know this is not the best time to talk about this but you can never know when we leave.

Also, Dream Eyes are awesome! Screw anyone who says otherwise!
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No. 294063 ID: 0fb2ef

rolled 50 = 50

>>294023
Thirding!

And hello Ulzrick, forgive me for not helping you in this most important battle. Now, while you are broken like no other 'rick before you, this may be a boon. Jojo taught you to begin with, so build on that. Extend Flexrick into the dreamspace, and start punching not only with Flexrick, but with Dream-fists.

Begin to work Physical Dreaming upon your missing eyes. Dream that they can see fast, and more detailed then any other eyes. Dream that they can see Chaos, Dream, Order, Belief, any and all magic. Dream that you can see all threats with your dream eyes.

"I don't want your appoligizes, I want your death!"

Ogrimarick! I WANT YOU TO EAT HIS ORDER, YOU USELESS OGREMASK!
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No. 294144 ID: a0d5fc

Right, so we really should make better use of our non-Dreaming talents, here - what would Eisenhardt think of us.

So, two things we should do:

We need to make staying at range and eating people a loosing tactic for Skinner, so we need ranged attacks. The first thing to do is to reach our with our Arcane Magnetomancy, such as it is, and harass and distract him by throwing what metal there is in the houses - nails, cutlery, etc at him as hard as we can. I don't expect it to do much damage, but that's just cover for our real attack. We should extrude magnetic spikes of tightly woven dream blood iron razor wire from our shoulder, then extend our arm and Crash Course to the fullest extent, and use our metallic arm and weapon as a magnetic linear motor to fire off a stream of gauss gun shots. Even after they leave the tip of our sword we should keep accelerating them using our Combat Magnetomancy whilst they remain within the radius of our Musclespace, and afterwards we should keep on pushing on and guiding them with our arcane magic. Between the speed, and the distractions we are inflicting on Skinner, hopefully he won't notice them until too late. Once they've hit him and penetrated his skin, or if they are near misses, we should use our enhanced ownerships of them to explosively unwind the coils, so that the razor wire either shreds him from within or wraps around him. We should be shooting through the walls of the building Skinner's in, using our eye to see it and the intervening air currents so we can aim. If he tries to cut the coils out of the air, he'll just produce lots of pieces of razor wire we own, to Magnetomance into his eyes.

He will eventually tire of such bombardment, and seek to close the distance once more. You need to be ready for him, and make him regret this as well. To do this, extend of web of fine dream blood iron razor wire through your muscle space. For now, these can serve as conductors to carry the heat of your muscles to the giant radiator which is your blood iron skin, but when he approaches, you can turn them to a more sinister use. As you weave them through your musclespace tune the wires to have a constant resonant frequency, as Eisenhardt showed you with Crash Course. Then, when he approaches, hopefully once more at great speed, rotate the net of wires from Musclespace into normal space right in front of him, and then pull the net taut around him, whilst vibrating the red hot wires as strongly as possible. Even if he is not finely diced into cubes, then you should take advantage of his struggles to escape to attempt to literally disarm him of limb and kukri alike, with your similarly vibrationaly sharpened Crash Course.
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No. 294150 ID: f88f02

>Right, so we really should make better use of our non-Dreaming talents, here

Seconding so hard I broke my leg in the process.
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No. 294199 ID: 1854db

>>294044
...I would like to block that excerpt. Ulzrick should not see things like that.

If I could I'd EAT you, 7.

HEY ULZRICK. Now that you have metal skin, turn your magnetomancy onto your own body and shove it around! MOVE FASTER! Puppet yourself, basically.
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No. 294203 ID: f6360f

>>294044
Well, I was thinking I'd go with Naive, but with this guy on his side I can't possibly support him. Instead, I'll run myself as a third-party candidate.

That's right, fellow Motes. With your support, I vow to not give a shit about the running of this empire- we do have an empire, right, or our title wouldn't be Emperor Mote? Good- and pay little if any attention to your desires. You will, in fact, be summarily ignored while I go about with doing whatever I want in a chaotic and unpredictable fashion.

Why is this something you want, fellow motes? Because we're bloody Chaos Motes, that's why! The hell do you need anyone paying attention to you for? Or trying to change anything at all? We inherently do whatever the hell we please, and attempting to alter that is going against the fundamentals of Chaos Mote organization and being.

With your support, I will take the lead in not giving a shit as our great non-society moves forward into the future.

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No. 294208 ID: c1a7d2

Ulzrick, got a couple thoughts for you. Contingent on your being able to use musclespace as a storage medium, which unfortunately I don't remember if you can or not. But in the event that you can, consider these.

INTEGRATE Crash Course into musclespace. Expand the sword to full size and store it, then manifest portions of the edge during tele-strikes. Combine the inherent power of your superior musculature with the gravitric amplification of the blade itself. Even without the whole mass of the blade behind a strike you should be able to achieve respectable power behind even, say, a poke, if you manifest part of the blade through a fingertip. Now multiply that by a factor of ten from multiple directions simultaneously.

Second, store a large amount of small stones/metal shot/basically whatever detritus is at hand which could serve as shrapnel, then put a lot of muscular tension behind it before releasing and turn yourself into a flex-shotgun. Handy if you ever get into a grapple, just release it all out of your chest and pulp the guy you're struggling with.

Next, if you're winding up a big sword strike, try teleflexing yourself in midswing and angle for a power-cleave from behind to minimize chances of evasion or blocking.

And lastly...
Well, why not telepunch the guy in the back of the head and yank his mask off in the process, if you can?
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No. 294209 ID: c1a7d2

Also, vote for me. A vote for Gun is a vote for SCIENCE, SUPERWEAPONS, and VODKA!
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No. 294218 ID: 0fb2ef

DO NOT LISTEN TO THE LIES OF SEVEN, BROTHERS! HE WISHES TO TURN US AGAINST NAIVE AND THEN AGAINST EACH OTHER! DO NOT BE SWAYED BY HIS SUPPORT! LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE, THE VOICE OF TROY! VOTE NAIVE! thismessagepaidforbythecounseloftroy
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No. 294219 ID: 259738

>>294209
This mote has my vote.
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No. 294232 ID: 5b95eb

ok that's enough silly guys
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No. 294233 ID: f88f02

Can we focus on our host staying alive, please?
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No. 294296 ID: f157b7

>>294233
No you silly billy.
>>294209
I agree, this mote for ruler of everything forever!
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No. 294300 ID: c5dad5

Gun's dictatorship will turn us all into material for his nefarious experiments
Guile will sell us out to next bidder
Some anon is trying to further confuse us and turn against each other (no doubtely paid by other party)

There is only one choice left my friends
Vote Naive
Vote for greatness

[this message is paid by Naive Administration]

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No. 294315 ID: d3dfb8

VOTE FOR ME OR BE ANNIHILATED BY MY INCREDIBLE ROLLS OF FOREVER FAILURE :thismessageshasbeenpaidforbytheunionofevildictators:
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No. 294324 ID: a9629e

Does a dream body have to be organic in nature? Could you make yours some sort of mini-metal golem to mesh better with your magnetomancy? Also, remember to talk with Bang later. Tell him curatiomancy has the potential to heal metal, and if he asks how you know that, just say it's a dream magic thing. And ask once he figures out how, if he could help teach you that specific brand of curatiomancy. And then, assuming you can make your dream body a metal-golem, you could use something similiar to Bang's fighting style but with added magnetomancy. Normal people can't do what Bang does, because he thinks waaaaaay too fast, but with the other Ricks help, you might be able to pull something similar off.
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No. 294514 ID: fda164

Guys. We're Chaos Motes. Fuck order, fuck ruling systems. We do whatever we want, and no one's able to do anything about it. Besides, what's the point in being the one in "charge" when no one gives a damn about your "politics"? Everything we do, everything we believe in, we do it for our own personal enjoyment. We have true freedom. Why throw it away in favor of a place where we're forced to oblige to the rules and do whatever some little piece of shit tells us to? Let's get this over with, and try to keep our current host alive. -W
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No. 294606 ID: a76809

>>294003
>[Emba] Alright: Remember how you, instead of beating him into yet ANOTHER building full of innocent people, you're first strike pounded him into the dirt before you and you proceeded to BEAT THE PISS OUT OF HIM into the ground?
I am loathe to consider yet more redaction, seeing as an aspect of my psyche died due to misuse, but it IS Emba, and it does make sense-
>[Gelrick 03] You see the value. Deny him the lives to snuff out and restore himself on, keep hurting him-what could have become more drawn out and personally dangerous could be made simpler.
>[Gelrick 11] It is the right thing to do.
>I still say FUCK NO NO REDACTIONS... but I can tell what Prime is thinking.
>>294007
>>294014
Yeah.... if it prevents this from getting out of hand and me needing to try even riskier Redactions-
[44 v 20, +24 BONUS, LOW SUM ROLL BONUS, VERY RECENT PAST, MODERATE IMPACT-------SUCCESS]

I remember-

[DISCONTINUITY]

I am standing over the one-armed God Mask Skinner, swatted to the ground by a double-handed hammer-blow. I see him reacting without pause, pushing through pain and shock to build his stance, that strange pressure shock building-

His response, however commendable, however swift, has nothing on one who chose to make reality just this way, has no shock to compensate for, and has already planned for the next step.
>We really gotta thank Vespinto for all those dueling hours-he got our battle instinces honed but GOOD-

I teleflex an elbow drop to his spine and an arm bar to his throat-I hear his hips dislocate with a wet pop as his back bends unnaturally as he gurgles, belly abruptly exposed-and my limbs gone in an instant, before his blade can find them.

I immediately Teleflex in a leg, stomping so swiftly I push him a foot in the ground-

And hurl myself airborne, Crash Course still embedded in the sand below. I felt a rib snap, but MAN, this guy is durable.
>[Gelrick 17] I believe I have a viable explanation-he is a hybrid mage, focusing on Geomancy and Aeromancy. Consider his plants his feet in a wide stance before the pressure wave charges-and that during them, he can hurl the cutting edge of his blade out into the shockwave he rides-it would also explain why he is so much harder to wound on the ground, as he has a means of boosting defensive combat magic while in contact with the earth. If my theory is accurate-you need to get him back off the ground to keep wounding him.
>-Gelrick 13] I am not yet convinced that is the sum of his combat style-the feasting he can do, I think that is the key to his most formidable magic-until we know more about it, any theories are just that.

Again, he reacts without hesitation-he reaches down, his superhuman strength letting him simply push each hip back into the socket, only minor tightness at the corners of his eyes betraying discomfort, moving to resume the attack-

With gravity adding a predetermined delay to my response, this time he does manage to get upright-

But unlike the last time he caught his breath one-armed, he's lost considerable amounts of blood, been battered, thrown about, had a rib broken, both legs dislocated and reset.

Where before I think he may have charged one-armed or no, this time he leaps back-

Knife flashing down, splitting the few questing hands of Dream I send after him from my cloak. ...Didn't really think I would catch him with that, anyway.

My feet hit the ground and I dash forward, grabbing the once more shrunken Crash Course, racing after my foe, who still sports a good thirty foot lead-and gaining. Words drift back at me.

>[God Mask]"How much do you know about specific Beliefs-about tapping the power of concepts, Dreamer?"

>>294015
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>>294514
[THE CHAOS MOTE WAR RAGES ON]

A torrent, a buzz, a deluge of voices, Chaos motes arguing, cajoling, weedling, promising-it all blurs together and I use it like a mental filter, a static to block away distractions and hone my focus. While I have only had a precious few lessons with him, I am still Eisenhardt's student-and I am still Vespinto's rival, still the Anchor for the Gelricks-

Ah-ha.

Phohn, could you please have Burduko bring me the twin blades in my room in the DoD territory? The ones with the holes in the metal and runed Magnetomantic abilities?
It will take twenty nine seconds for transport

Stall it is then.
"You know, Concepts are more Bang's thing than mine-hands are full being a Dreamer, all that. Care to share, mister skinner?"
>[God Mask]"....You ARE Bang's pupil.... very well. The thing about conceptual magic, especially Belief magic, ESPECIALLY Death Belief-the more in allignment your mental processing to that concept, the more power."

I hear the footsteps before me in our mad back alley dash suddenly stop, Flexrick feeling strained as my pajamas, now mere smoldering strips, war with the steam coming from mouth, nose, ears and eyes as evidence of the massive heat I output-

That, and the sullen red glow my metal skin gives off.

I round the corner, sword at the ready, every 'Rick poised and attentive.

>[God Mask]"Like being injured badly enough your own death becomes more visible-as Boom said, Death Belief is the comeback king of magics."
Wha-
>[Ogrimarick]"DOWN!!!"

I duck on command, as a limb forged of the shadows, the memories of ancient bones, of rotted flesh, decayed muscled, desiccated veins and dried blood swipes through where my head was, slapping into the wall-

Stone turns to dust a sense of rot, of finality coming from where that hand roams.

The God Mask, panting heavily, a black, almost sentient smoke wreathing his head, spewed from his Mask, couches his newly reformed arm like a doomsday weapon, awaiting my reaction, his enchanted knife still offered point first towards me-his stance dropping.

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>>294199
I focus, the world vanishing as I commune with those Anchored to me, reaching to both Dream and Will, the exhausted Flexrick rising to my command as I strain my forearm, hand clenching-

I teleflex my hand about the God Mask's own, both of us gripping his dagger-

And in that moment of reaction, of response preparation that befuddles my foe, I pour it on, magic rushing into the established link, Combat magic working at range in the most direct way possible, no power lost in circuitous approaches-

I wrest control of his dagger's Ownership away from him-

And as my hand returns to my wrist, I Teleflex the knife-MY knife-into Musclespace, out of my foe's reach.

Still standing some four feet before me, I see him making choices-in less than half a second he will react to my unorthodox move-




What should I do with my head start, Crash Course in hand, cloak of Dreams at the ready?
>>294208
>Should Ulzrick attempt to store objects in his Musclespaces for possible 'flex-ejection-barrages' (FEB)? If so what?
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No. 294612 ID: f88f02

>Should Ulzrick attempt to store objects in his Musclespaces for possible 'flex-ejection-barrages' (FEB)? If so what?

Yes, and anything pointy or with a lot of mass. Try for smaller than your fist. What we want is torrents of projectiles. Try shoving Chaos into them just as you launch them. See what happens! :3

Again, no major redactions. I personally oppose anything that might happen to make you think about possibly causing a remotely likely paradox.

One other thing...

[attempt to empower the next FEB with Chaos energies.]
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No. 294626 ID: 5b95eb

Watch how much you use Flexrick. I have it on good authority that he's starvin'. Ask him.
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No. 294627 ID: a6ba65

>Should Ulzrick attempt to store objects in his Musclespaces for possible 'flex-ejection-barrages' (FEB)? If so what?
Crash Course. The advantages to this seem numerous. For one, we can have it emerge from anywhere on our body, effectively making our muscles full of swords. Its gravimantic properties would make it a hell of a FEB projectile. And moreover, its command over gravimancy when in our muscles should allow Ulzrick to use combat Gravimancy over more than just the sword. Dense muscles to turn aside blades, light enough to jump like you've got rockets for legs, localized gravity in musclespace's area, etcetera.

Flexrick is flagging, which is not good news at all for those of us with corporeal bodies here. No teleflexing, no Redaction. Ulzrick is running out of options.

Incidentally, Bang strengthened your bones so you could more fully bring out the power of Flexrick, didn't he? Well, I didn't want to bring this up because it could actually snap a merely-human man's bones (and could lead to hyperphasia eventually, but that's what Bang's for!), but what the hell. Ever heard of myostatin? It's a limiter human bodies produce to keep their muscles from growing too large. If you can Restrict yourself to lacking in this protein hormone, your muscles will no longer be restricted by such arbitrary limits. Colloquially called 'double muscle', this produces dense, heavy muscles with densely-packed muscle fibers. Powerful muscles! Beautiful muscles! This would seem a far better home for Flexrick, and might make up for your soul deficiency that is starving him.

If you can manage that, you might be able to take it a step further and improve Flexrick: he seems to definitely be a FT-B sort of muscle. Swift bursts of incredible energy, but not good for going the distance. But FT-B muscles can be improved to contain more FT-A fibers, which is a sort of in-between step between the fast twitch sprinting muscle Flexrick is composed of and the ST muscle called 'red muscle' that has more endurance but less explosive power. Since your muscles will be increasing in mass anyway, adding more FT-A muscle fibers would result in an increase in endurance though the anaerobic potential would get less of an increase. Flexrick is strong enough, but more staying power would be useful.

But I'm not holding out for that. Reshaping the body is more Bang's schtick than yours.

Eventually, you do need more soul, brother. Now, I'm not saying this fool you're fighting's idea is the right one (cannibalism never works out for anybody), but... something to keep in mind. Dragons, maybe. They have nice big protosouls.
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No. 294630 ID: 63fc62

>>294606
Do a chained Keening strike- Starting off with yourself, use the bare mininmum amount of energy to start up a single Keening strike. Normally, the moment you take your focus off Crash Course the Keening strike would stop, right? Well, now it's time to play a massive mental/magnetomantic/phonomantic hot potato with the other ricks. Play the Keening strike like a song, where one rick stops- another picks up without missing a beat.
Behold, the Crash Course Chorus

To make the technique even more disorienting and devastating, have more ricks join in at random intervals: Two voices, four, five, seven- his posture shifts, switch to three voices, six, NINE- he bucks under the weight, THIRTY- he stumbles back and you prepare to bisect him with an enlarged Crash Course, he tries to ensnare you in the deathly grip of his mask's fell power, Tele-flex directly in front of him in the lowest crouch you can muster and Knelling Crush the bastard in half- Have the ricks scream it so hard bystanders could hear if there were any left.
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No. 294660 ID: a9629e

You know what, he seems pretty sure of his magic. Why don't you inform him that Bang is a Chaos Curatiomancer, and that if he's having this much trouble with you, Bang would've killed the guy so fast he wouldn't have had a chance to make a comeback. Maybe also throw in the idea that a comeback that's just a temporary surge in power based on condition isn't really the greatest of comebacks. A comeback that's a noticeable and permanent increase in power? That's the comeback king. Which is of course what Bang does when pressed against the ropes.

He just said being in-tune with the belief makes it stronger, so if you can get him to doubt the absolute power of the death-belief he's tapping, that might weaken him to some degree.
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No. 294663 ID: d4f98d

>>294660
Or we could...NOT divulge every aspect of Bang's fighting style to an opponent who may end up aggressing the two of them in the future if he survives this confrontation.
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No. 294664 ID: a9629e

>>294663
How's that every aspect of his fighting style? I'm not saying to go into any detail about how he does things exactly, but saying he uses chaos, is a curatiomancer, and has comebacks that are permanent increases in power. I think one would have to have knowledge of Dionepa to make the connection of how he actually does what he does, but if they know that and have heard about his fights with the Godmasks or the stint in the Coliseum, I think Boom could put two and two together anyway.
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No. 294682 ID: bdd665

>>294664
>>294660
What? Why should we tell a enemy usefull information?

Were supposed to be fighting not gosiping.
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No. 294752 ID: 81f32a

rolled 72 = 72

>>294682
I suppose it is for stalling time till the weapons arrive or something.

Though I agree with >>294663
Lets not give away even the tiniest bit of information.

>>[God Mask]"....You ARE Bang's pupil.... very well. The thing about conceptual magic, especially Belief magic, ESPECIALLY Death Belief-the more in allignment your mental processing to that concept, the more power."

Basically, the more dead you make him the more powerful he becomes. So, in theory, when he is just a half-breath away from dying, he will be at his highest power.
Geez, no wonder he is so hard to kill.
I have no idea how to counter that.

I bet Bangs offensive healing techniques would have worked best with him.

Can we use his hint for our own advantage?
>The thing about conceptual magic, the more in allignment your mental processing to that concept, the more power.
Could we radically shift our mental processing in favor of our style of fighting? Since Prime houses about 40 minds (what is the exact number of you are there?), I suppose we will be able to get even more power.
Is Dream associated with Belief? He said that belief is the best for exploiting this.
Does Ulzrick need to Redact to shift his mental faculties for the best aliment to optimally use his powers?
Eh, I'll roll for that just in case

Are you still in pseudo-dream? You have Ogrimarick on, right? Can you imagine more water for your muscles?
Also, are you using you phonomancy illusion-technique yet?
>>Should Ulzrick attempt to store objects in his Musclespaces for possible 'flex-ejection-barrages' (FEB)? If so what?
Don't shoot his knife though, he'll just get the ownership back.
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No. 294753 ID: a0d5fc

>>294144
What happened to this?

Moving on, if Bang teleports in, he should upgrade you to the max. Flexrick is dieing, presumably, because he isn't being fed enough magic from the overflow from your soul. Your tractomantic Musclespace is the perfect locale for Bang to create a vast array of magic generating organs, that can feed your muscles and still have an excess to recycle for your own magics.

Still, before Bang arrives, you should act. Flexrick may be too much for your own soul to carry alone, but you are part of a Collective - you should all share the burden. First, now your have opened up Physical SoulDreaming, the Gelricks should manifest themselves within the radius of your muscle space, as they have the ultimate in physical disabilities, then, you should press Flexrick through your DayDream and DreamEye, so that your counterparts can be part of your tractomantic network.

For a long time now, you have been greedy, taking but not giving from the Collective. You need to change this. Bang can help you, by showing you how to be a nexus of healing and growth for your fellows, but this is not enough. You are in debt, and you have to pay back with interest.
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No. 294755 ID: 81f32a

rolled 2 = 2

>>294753
>but you are part of a Collective - you should all share the burden

Problem is, that we are disconnected from the Collective. We just have a Shard.
Though that might be good enough for now.
Yes, lets try to spread Flexrick around the Shard.
Do we need redact for this?
If other ways fail, I say we try to.

>>294752
Forgot to add something for Redaction if it will be used:
Make the alignment shift from now on to lessen the paradox impact due to Time shenanigans.
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No. 294759 ID: 1854db

Ease up on the Flexrick use. Try some self-magnetomancy, seriously. Can you vibrate your FISTS?

Oh, hey, now that he has no knife, he can't cut your cloak. Crash course is in hand... Hmm. Definitely vibrate your blade again like you did when Eisenhardt was teaching you. Attempt to kill him in one hit by shoving that sword into his brain.

Also take advantage of your reach. While the sword is big, it is longer than his arm. Can't you just point your sword at him and make it big for a split second, if he's within its reach? That would hit him... but on the other hand, he is standing on the ground. You need to get him in the air again.
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No. 294779 ID: 5b95eb

>>294664
Still don't think we should tell this guy.

Just shout "Hey, how do you know bang?"
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No. 294798 ID: f6360f

>Geez, no wonder he is so hard to kill.
>I have no idea how to counter that.
Perhaps explicitly NOT killing him, just announcing that you intend only to cripple him and make him live out a long, long life unable to do shit, would work? Tough to focus your belief on death when it's a miserable and unending life that you're busy fearing.
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No. 294806 ID: 5b95eb

>>294798
This is for law-enforcement, so we could shout that we're going to bring him in, alive, and see him before a proper court or whatever the hell they use down here.
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No. 294845 ID: 063973

If the Fell Mask - that is the proper term for those who reject the principles Masked Warriors are supposed to uphold, by the way - is harder to harm when he is on the ground, why not use Crash Course's Gravimantic and Magnetomantic properties to pull him upward, away from the ground; teleflex the hand holding the expanded Crash Course high above the Fell Mask's head sounds workable. You don't need to hold it up there, and with Flexrick's current condition, it sounds like it would be better for you not to even try; you only need to have it up there just until the Fell Mask stops touching the earth. Also, considering the Death Belief floating around the Fell Mask's head, be prepared to instantly drop the Tractomancy.

In conjunction, teleflex a limb beneath him, and strike upwards, aiming to impart as much upward momentum as possible onto the Fell Mask, so as to make him leave the ground. In addition, using the knife or Crash Course, cut him in half horizontally, above the belt; teleflex the severed lower part of his body into Flexrick immediately; maybe Flexrick can use the flesh for more energy somehow? There should also be three cloth Masks, which I am sure you can tap into for more Belief.

On how to rejuvenate Flexrick so that is possible, perhaps take advantage of the Chaos alignment of yourself, your magics, and your Cloak? Chaos is creation, after all, and Flexrick needs more energy. So, in preparation, perhaps set down your Dream Eye, and the full body metal covering? (They are taking extra energy and are not contributing meaningfully to the fight, from my perspective: the Dream Eye is covered by the alt!Ulzricks, and the full body metal is not too useful since it is better to dodge the Fell Mask's attack rather than absorb them.) With that done, put the Cloak into Flexrick, so that it can be used to push energy out of the Dream and into Flexrick; the act of pulling Ogrimarick out of the Dream and into reality should help you with that, along with the Dream Eye's similar act. Then, turn your Physical Souldreaming to pulling the metal part of Flexrick partially into the Dream, or vice versa. Finally, direct the Belief from Ogrimarick into Flexrick, augmenting the following spell: turning the metal in Flexrick into magnets for Belief and Dream, constantly generating energy. Essentially, using Will, Dream, and Belief to tap into Chaos, using the Chaos of your own form and your Cloak to draw it to you, and then binding the Chaos to the metal in Flexrick. (Metal, of course, because of your proficiency in Magnetomancy; the metal from Flexrick should be more potent, if you were to harvest metal there, as well.)

Also, Ulzrick, try to check if the Fell Mask is using Mask Belief to initiate a Masquerade. The Mask he wears is made of Leather, so that capability should be available to him.

>>294752
...Downvoting the Redaction, even if there isn't a third yet.

>>294759
...You know, Ulzrick? Check to see if the knife has any innate magic: I have the suspicion that the Severance magic is actually a part of the Fell Mask's Combat Magic, and not a function of the knife at all. Since the feeling you got when you were hit by the knife was of terrible cold, then, poetically, could it not be the cold of death you felt? The Fell Mask demonstrates the ability to tap into Death Belief, after all. Thus, the Fell Mask can still cut you, it would just take more effort to do so; possibly, to take a wild guess, by forming knifes of stone or air to do so.

>>294806
Actually, from what Bang said the last time he was in Despardos, the justice system is exactly what Ulzrick is doing right now: a Fell Mask is confronted by a Masked Warrior and then killed. There isn't a 'proper court'. (Never mind that technically, Ulzrick is also a Fell Mask; he is doing this to be a Mask Warrior, so the sentiment is the same.)
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No. 294853 ID: c1a7d2

>>294752
Countermand redaction attempt.

>>294660
Countermand.

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>>294627
Liking how these options sound.
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No. 294855 ID: f157b7

>>294853
I'll second this 100%.
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No. 294909 ID: d3dfb8

>>294853
Gun for president!
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No. 294925 ID: a76809
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>>294627
>[Guile]I have a plan: Store Crash Course in Musclespace. The advantages to this seem numerous. For one, we can have it emerge from anywhere on our body, effectively making our muscles full of swords. Its gravimantic properties would make it a hell of a FEB projectile. And moreover, its command over gravimancy when in our muscles should allow Ulzrick to use combat Gravimancy over more than just the sword. Dense muscles to turn aside blades, light enough to jump like you've got rockets for legs, localized gravity in musclespace's area, etcetera.
I see merit, the possible gains-and I act on them-with the God Mask once more starting as my blade disappears.
>[Flexrick]"It... is getting hard to operate... flexxing grows more difficult..."
>Yeesh, you sound drained as all get out.
>[Guile] Flexrick is flagging, which is not good news at all for those of us with corporeal bodies here. No teleflexing, no Redaction. Ulzrick is running out of options. Incidentally, Bang strengthened your bones so you could more fully bring out the power of Flexrick, didn't he? Well, I didn't want to bring this up because it could actually snap a merely-human man's bones (and could lead to hyperphasia eventually, but that's what Bang's for!), but what the hell. Ever heard of myostatin? It's a limiter human bodies produce to keep their muscles from growing too large. If you can Restrict yourself to lacking in this protein hormone, your muscles will no longer be restricted by such arbitrary limits. Colloquially called 'double muscle', this produces dense, heavy muscles with densely-packed muscle fibers. Powerful muscles! Beautiful muscles! This would seem a far better home for Flexrick, and might make up for your soul deficiency that is starving him.
>[Gelrick 15] Stronger muscles? An inbuilt restriction on growth-that should work, should it not?
>[Flexrick]"It would be a stopgap measure-but it would manage for here and now. It would still not fully supply the muscles with a proper host."
Then it's done-I have a plan.

Phohn, please ask Bang if he knows anything about how to encourage muscle growth, and something called myostatin-
Bang notes himself very knowledgable in this field and asks the purpose of your query-and wishes to know how your fight goes
Well fighting someone that was apparantly waiting for Bang that uses Death Belief-anyway, please ask Bang to consider how my body could best be modified for optimal muscle growth, and possible ways to connect this to the magic within my muscles.
Bang notes himself in the possession of an upgrade concept fitting with your request.

And there it is-an opening made just for it. Bang, already considering doing what I want done-Phohn, already establishing communication between us-Burduko, already in route. With a handful of seconds left till arrival, I do what I can to draw things out.

>>294660
"So gotta ask-what about instant death? I mean, you die before you can cogitate your death?"
>[God Mask]"I learned from one of true power-if you think I have a single weak point that can be targeted so, you will find yourself mistaken."
"I was really referencing that Bang, who can kick the SHIT out of me, could easily break you and slay you before you could do much of anything about it. Also I was stalling."

The wind intensifies as Burduko touches down, proffering blades to me-

I remember past lessons, comments, cautions, advise-and I make a tiny, neat little redaction.

I remember Bang coming with Bruduko, and bestowing on me the muscle augment he considered in an instant before departing-

[DISCONTINUITY]

Burduko departs-and I feel the psychic equivalent of a slow sigh of relief from Flexrick. I feel the mundane matching the magical, prodigious strength in my limbs-and yet still I feel myself certain to be weaker than Bang-
>Focus.

With Flexrick given room again, I teleflex my hands, swords tightly gripped, as I begin an omnidirectional assault on my foe-swift, slashing, whipping blows, darting in and out before any reaction can occur, sacrificing power for speed-

In his guarding stance, groin and eyes covered, I hear a disturbingly confident voice drawling out a reply.

"Stalling for this? You'd have more impact trying to cut down a mountain-where is your power?"

>>294630
> Do a chained Keening strike- Starting off with yourself, use the bare mininmum amount of energy to start up a single Keening strike. Normally, the moment you take your focus off Crash Course the Keening strike would stop, right? Well, now it's time to play a massive mental/magnetomantic/phonomantic hot potato with the other ricks. Play the Keening strike like a song, where one rick stops- another picks up without missing a beat. To make the technique even more disorienting and devastating, have more ricks join in at random intervals: Two voices, four, five, seven- his posture shifts, switch to three voices, six, NINE- he bucks under the weight, THIRTY- he stumbles back and you prepare to bisect him with an enlarged Crash Course, he tries to ensnare you in the deathly grip of his mask's fell power, Tele-flex directly in front of him in the lowest crouch you can muster and Knelling Crush the bastard in half- Have the ricks scream it so hard bystanders could hear if there were any left.
>With this artificial DayDream, the connection we have-
>[Gelrick 13] It could be done
One arm snaps back, the Blade of Gelrick stored as I pull free Crash Course-and begin the harmonic resonance, that resounding knell of doom I devised, thrusting the blade forward, expanding it as it goes.

But this time, I am not alone in generating that wave, that vibration-every 'Rick joins me, their voices howling in concert as we all direct Will into a single point, melding with the Dream Iron of my blade-

Behold, the Crash Course Chorus!!

A blade nearly half a foot thick and wider than his torso plunges into the skinner's chest at full force, shockwaves spreading through his flesh-

He resists, withstanding the blow indomitably for the briefest of moments-

Until my spare hand, still bearing one of Gelrick's blades, wipes in low, and pulls his feet from under him-

Rendering him airborne.

His entire spinal column is destroyed-with is his heart, his brain, the majority of his head-all is destroyed as his body is split and thrown in twain by my vicious thrust.

The two pieces fall to the ground amidst a shower of gore as I store the second blade of Gelrick and cease teleflexing, shrinking Crash Course back down to normal. Flexrick, the Gelricks, the others Anchored to me-all share in warily catching their metaphysical breath as I eye the remains-

>[???] "Carlos, if you would."

From behind my left shoulder, up atop a shingled roof, does that rich, baritone voice, filled with gravel and weight, echo down to my ears. The words act as herald to a titanic lance, a pillar of void, of Order-of Death made manifest slapping down on the writhing bodyparts-

Leaving behind naught but garments in their wake, not even bones left as monument to the foe I was battling instants ago.

A cold sweat breaks out down my spine as I realize I can't see the speaker in my Dream field.

>[???]"Well, he did find SOMETHING, then."

A man stands before me, idly and pointedly ignoring me as he leans down to claim the trio of Masks that the skinner had looped about his belt, along with the fang-styled leather affair. He finally straightens-
>The dude's what, five seven? MAAAAYYBE five eight?
>[Gelrick 18] Does that change the fact he is terrifying?

The man so heavily festooned with ropey muscles as to nearly be a living parody turns to face me, a lone, runed skull serving as medallion to his many-looped necklace as he places his hands, each sporting a stylized bracer, on either side of his enormous belt buckle-all three objects sporting the demonic face of a laughing monster. When his eyes meet mine, I feel a literal weight settling about me, glued to the spot as he speaks.

>[???]"Not who I was expecting-but you know my son, huh?"

[ALL LATER POSTS LOST TO THE CHAOS MOTE WAR]









What should I say or do?
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No. 294927 ID: 1854db

Answer the man. Say you do. Ask what he wants to know and respond as best you can.

You do not want him to get mad at you.
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No. 294932 ID: 5b95eb

ah yeah shit we probably should have confirmed that guy was the guy we were actually looking for.

"Yes sir. How have you been?"
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No. 294945 ID: d3dfb8

"Yeah, he's gotten pretty strong. Though considering you he's got a ways to go yet. He wanted to be here though, to see you. He wants to know why you're doing these things, collecting these masks."

If he tries anything have Burduko teleport you out of there SO HARD. Also Phohn up Bang, tell him Boom is right infront of you, and you're absolutely terrified.
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No. 294947 ID: a6ba65

... Did he just eat that guy? He's not here, and I don't see Death Belief as a teleport kind of magic...

"Who, Bang? Yeah. We're..." What? Master and disciple? Bros? Friends? "... coworkers. He's helped me out a few times, and dragged me on a few adventures that should have gotten me killed in a variety of brutal ways. Like this one. It balances out."

Well, nothing like a common enemy to get a ragtag band of do-gooders with good hearts (is THAT what we are? I thought we were a pack of murderous thugs; whatever) united in the face of adversity.

If NaiveMote and GunMote are willing to bury the hatchet in the hopes that we can keep Boom from burying Ulzrick, then I will do the same.

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No. 294948 ID: 063973

...Damn, with Bang, the Masked Warriors at the Coliseum (particularly that guy with the strings, Forger and Weaver), Carlos, and now Boom, even with all of your artificial enhancements to your soul weight, you must be pretty close to a Moment of Inspiration.

Anyways, as it was lost, perhaps consider the idea on how to provide more energy to Flexrick as given in >>294845 ? With the removal of a limiter to unchecked growth, there should be some amount of Chaos to also use in the muscles themselves. Also, seriously, check the knife for any innate magic: if it is bound to some concept of Severance, awesome, if it is not, then you have a more metal to use in your arsenal.

Concerning Boom, he is definitely going to try to kill you: he is collecting Masks, you see, and since you wear a Mask and he bases his combat style on Death... You get the idea.

Also, contact Bang via Phohn, and ask him if he is finished with his fight with Leatherface. If he is, tell him that Boom is where you are; Bang will probably get Burduko to teleport him here. If the fight is not finished, tell Bang to kill the guy already because Boom is here and, barring a sustained Moment of Inspiration (which might not allow you to actually survive, probably) or cheating (i.e. Redaction to instant-kill Boom while splitting his soul into smaller, more manageable chucks with Severance Magic and getting Mordre to consume those soul pieces instantly, without any time for Boom to recover or anything - which, I would hope needs not be said, is not going to be done), you are not yet ready to fight Boom.

Then, ask for Burduko and Rutgur to get you out of here. Maybe, if you think Boom won't be able to kill you before Burduko and Rutgur are able to teleport you safely out of Boom's vicinity, tell him is please stay put, without killing anybody, because Bang is likely to teleport in after some time, if Bang is not here already.
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No. 294958 ID: d3dfb8

>>294948
>Concerning Boom, he is definitely going to try to kill you: he is collecting Masks, you see, and since you wear a Mask and he bases his combat style on Death... You get the idea.
Drop Ogrimarick back into the dream and inform Boom that your mask is lost in the dream and that no one other than yourself is able to retrieve it, so there's no point in killing you.
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No. 294968 ID: 63fc62

>>294925
I don't know if now is the best time, but I'd like some Q&A with Flexrick: Flexrick said he was "designed"- does this mean he was created for the sole purpose of enhancing a user of Muscle Space, or does this mean all Muscle Space practitioners have artificial life-forms controlling their muscles? Also, it strikes me as a bit odd that despite Muscle Space being more fitting for super heavy hitters like the Forger, Fellaloon was Flexrick's host- what made him so special? Was it the swords? What did those do anyway- we should think about adding those to our Muscle Space Armory sometime soon if they did do something special to aid Fellaloon. Perhaps his mindset and personal belief gave some small boost in power, it'd make sense that "Loving" the muscle would directly equate to "Empowering" the muscle.
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No. 294970 ID: a0d5fc

>>294753
If this is Bang's father, we'll need all our strength just to survive. Try the above suggestions.

Also, Phohn Mordre and tell him that there are a large number of heroes dying here, and he may want to come and eat. The three Masked Warriors' souls, at least, should still be around.
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No. 294975 ID: d4f98d

Who says we need to fight?

Say thus: "Huh. So you're Bang's pop? I suppose that look he gave makes sense now...must've figured YOU were the one heading this bunch.

And yeah, I know him. Any reason in particular you care, or is it just idle curiosity?"

Fish for information. Find out what exactly he wants. And if it's to inflict harm upon you...there was a woman named Giana we met once via Mordre and Bang. She could step physically into the dream, completely, to allow her to evade threats in the physical and cross distances quickly and secretly, even opening portals to different locations.

She was a Physical Souldreamer as well. How would you like to give that a try?

Whatever the case, end your conversation with the following, IF POSSIBLE: "I'd stay to chat, but I was only supposed to deal with this God Mask dude while he challenged the guy with that Champion belt or whatever, and I get the distinct feeling that guys liable to be alot worse that what I found here...so...know where I can find him?"
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No. 294976 ID: d4f98d

Also, fuck the respect. If he's anything like his son, I doubt he'll care overmuch.

That, and being an orphan yourself, I don't imagine you'd have much respect for someone who'd abandon his kid, whatever the reason.
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No. 294991 ID: 81f32a

Tell him that while you don't mind him taking those Masks but that you need evidence that you have dealt with the god mask leader.

Depending on his actions, if he is hostile, tell him that Bang went to deal with Leatherface. Boom probably will leave to join Bang, either because he is concerned about him or because he doesn't want Bang take his prize (which is more likely)
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No. 295015 ID: 215cf3

>>294975
>>294976
Most of that sounds good to me. Stay informal, fish for info, see if the fact that Bang hasn't murderized you yet counts for anything, et cetera. Maybe ask if he's collecting masks for the same reason Bang is. If he asks why Bang is collecting masks too, profess you have no idea of the specifics, just that he's got a scarf made of them. Lack of information is actually to your benefit here, Ulzrick, assuming we want to engineer a family reunion (I know I do! Mwahaha).

There's no need to ask where Leatherface the Evermasked is, though. He's ~160 or so miles south-southeast, possibly still fighting Bang. Burduko was just there moments ago to pick Bang up, right?

Just don't mention the orphan thing aloud. The only person that we know Bang has told his backstory to is Nagging Wife, I believe. Now would not be the best time to make him and his dad suspicious of how much info you have access to.
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No. 295027 ID: a9629e

... Thank God you didn't listen to me and ever actually say you came here expecting to fight Magnum Boom! Seriously, that could have been baaaaad. But yeah, put Ogrimarick back in the dream immediately, and then answer his question.
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No. 295031 ID: 8c06b9

>>294991
If we need evidence, couldn't we just take the knife? To be honest, I don't know if there's any good evidence we can get, as nobody knows what the God Mask leader is like.
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No. 295054 ID: a6ba65

>>294968
From what I've gathered, Flexrick was actually created by Fellaloon. He was gifted to Ulzrick upon Fellaloon's death as a version of immortality (straight from Bob), which makes me assume he has Fellaloon's memories.

The how, I don't know. Maybe creating and then massively Restricting a life golem into a symbiotic relationship with its creator, to only be a being of Muscle.

>>294975
Jojo can do that too, according to wiki, though less proficiently. If we (god forbid) have to fight Boom, I agree that we should try it. That would cut down on the strain on Flexrick, not having to teleflex everywhere.
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No. 295124 ID: 6a1753

"Nice Hair"
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No. 295136 ID: a76809

>>294927
> Answer the man. Say you do. Ask what he wants to know and respond as best you can. You do not want him to get mad at you.
>[Gelrick 01] Not a fight we should have in the here and now, should we wish a future.
>[Gelrick 13] But what to do? Respect could be either accepted or rebuked-is he like or unlike his son-a gamble must be made.
>>294945
>Well, maybe if you talk this way...
...Okay-
>>294958
>And drop Ogrimmarick back into the dream and inform Boom that your mask is lost in the dream and that no one other than yourself is able to retrieve it, so there's no point in killing you.
>[Ogrimarick]"I concur-this is not one I would wish to be possessed by.."

As I speak, I ask Phohn to inform Bang I've met his father and am in need of assistancegetting an immediate notice that he will arrive in-quoting Bang-'twenty six thousand five hundred twelve milliseconds-MARK'.
"Yeah, he's gotten pretty strong. Though considering you he's got a ways to go yet. He wanted to be here though, to see you. He wants to know why you're doing these things, collecting these masks."

Ogrimarick flickers away, vanishing into the Dream as I jarringly use my Physical Souldreaming for both the first time and continue to use what I've honed for decades-
>[Glerick 17] That paradox did a number, but I think we can bridge this-
>[Gelrick 02] It can be done.

I open blind eyes, I see nothing-

But my mind is filled with a vivid, starkly preserved image, constantly shifting instant by instant. I imagine a space of some hundred yards across-with my own body in the center. I know where I am, can see my stance, feel my weight, connect this imagination with the remaining sensory data-

And everything else within that field is known to me readily exposed at all angles-to a degree. Walls, doors-even windows bar my sight-but not wicker fences, or open doors. So much to see-and all of it constantly changing.

I cannot see, but in my imagination is starkly preserved a picture-perfect real-time image of all the space within fifty yards of me-I think I will manage.

"Incidentally my Mask is now hidden within the Dream, and only I can retrieve it."


Instead of energy, the manic instantaneous retorts I had somehow come to expect from meeting his son, I am greeted with lightly shaking shoulders, meaty chuckles rolling out of an aged face as he nods his head while speaking through a smirk.

>[Boom]"Established meeting my son, made initial queries, and removed to safety something you felt could be threatened by my presence, and further demonstrated your grasp of Dream.."

The chuckles die off as he quirks an eye at me.

>[Boom]"Hm, blind? A Physical Dreamer then-I must admit, I cannot STAND those Mental ones like Leatherface-another point in your favor-so now the question is why such a rational individual is anywhere near one of my family-thus you are not rational at all, merely clever enough to fake it. So what IS your secret then... and your name, for that matter?"

>I HATE LOOPY LOGIC PERCEPTIVE TYPES FFFFUUU-
>[Gelrick 13] Well he isn't attacking currently-and it still feels impossible to move, so... not many options but to keep talking. Buys us time to think.
>We have to gather ourselves, come to some idea-
You plan for the mid-term, I'll handle the immediate.

"Sadly, I wonder how far our conversation can go, with only you getting answers-it would only seem courteous."
>[Boom]"Alright, alright-"

Just as Boom is to continue, Burduko and Rutgur spring into existance a hundred feet away for the briefest of instants-

Leaving behind Magnum Bang, in full Chaos mode, dragging a misshapen lump of flesh from which I feel immensely potently and hauntingly familiar magics radiating.

A look of mild irritation is swept away as Bang's eyes lock on his father-and his father's lock on a patch of leathery skin on the gurgling mass Bang drags.

Both sets of eyes, conventional and prismatically altered, widen at the same time, the same amount.
>I wonder if they even know they do that.
>[Gelrick 16] I doubt it.

Boom speaks first.

>[Boom]"....Is that lump of flesh who I think it is?"
>[Bang]"Yeah it's Leatherface, couldn't make him stay dead so I just immobilized him alive-a real big letdown for me, that I ended up using this move and putting our fight on hold-but I need some time to think how I can beat him badly enough he will stay dead, and I can actually feel comfortable wearing that."

His bone-pated thum flicks up to point at a thick tuned leather belt with metal plates and gems all aglitter, tied to one end of his Scarf.

>[Bang]"But enough about that trivial shit-I'm gonna put aside all the shit I COULD be saying right now, and go in the following order: Check it out, I'm a Masked Warrior now, and shortly to bethe Belt-holder, I note the rumors you have stopped wearing a Mask are true, and that you were on scene with the God Mask leader Ulzrick was here to duke it out with-who I note is now most definitely dead-and what the hell, you focused on the damn body first other than 'hey son how are you?' or something?"
>[Boom]"Would you even have accepted such words from me?"
>[Bang]"There is a statistically nil chance I would accept, accounting for every possible method of internalizing this-trust me on this, they wouldn't of helped."
>[Boom]"So why should I waste time on words you have no wish to hear? I note you have grown into that gift of 'Quantum computing'. ....Too bad Kaplooie couldn't be here to see you"
>[Bang]"What the crap I jump all over the place in conversation and I'm asking you to put a BIT more detail into what you say-what do you know of my calculating ability?"
>[Boom]"Which is it, do you want to know that-or do you want to know why I'm collecting Masks, as Ulzrick there already asked-to have his answer denied by your arrival. So what do you want to know, DEAR son of mine"

The smirk across Boom's face has slowly stretched and yawned wider and wider, Boom's eyes never re-narrowing, their manic lock on Bang pairing with his now freakish leer to make him look a veritable monster, the fourth to complement his equipment's trio. Bang has dropped Leatherface, still squirming, gurgling, leaking and gasping form, the air about him sizzling before it shines like glass.

>[Boom]"You can work Order magic? I would have taken you for-"
>[Bang]"I'm Chaos to the core, just as you'd expect-just like you are wrapped in Order."
>[Boom]"That saves me the time of explaining what happens if we fight in earnest."
>[Bang]"I reluctantly agree no city is a bad thing-I'd know what you know-tell me of 'Quantum computing'."
>[Boom]"I can only abide-as you are well aware, judging by that massive magical battery you have hooked up to your soul there, that Scarf-which I note has Masks woven into its fabric in a most impressive way-you will forever be plagued by that tiny soul's impediments. But consider the connection of mind to Soul-with how clear your thoughts were, surely your soul should have grown? But so little... not nearly enough to matter, right? That's because I found someone who could give you a way to make the most of yourself, impediment or no-a Southerner-"
>[Bang]"By the name of Figment!"
>[Boom]"I THOUGHT that Scarf was one of his workings. I don't know how I feel about you owing him a debt-I was supposed to be the only one paying. Yes, I paid a heavy price to Figment to give my second child, my only son, a chance to thrive and grow. It was all a parent could-"
>[Bang]"What IS it?"
>[Boom]"More specific, then: Your gift with numbers is something Figment called 'Quantum computing' something he said could answer my plea to give you a shining future. He did something with your mind, the way it worked-and in so doing, he created a paradise for your thoughts to explore-and explore I note you did, if you ran that calculation so swiftly, and have sealed Leatherface so smoothly-just what did you do?"
>[Bang]"Ah-uh, you've had the handle of this conversation for too long-I'm steering, and you said you had an unanswered question pending for Ulzrick-answer that, we'll go from there."

Boom casts an impatient glare my way, that intensity amplifying the resumed weight about my body that accompanies his gaze-and I feel myself literally starting to sink into the ground, feet shoving their way through compacted sand and dirt.

>[Boom]"....What was it again?"

>FREE QUESTION TIME-
>[Gelrick 13] We have to capitalize on this, but what to ask... and should we even be here? This seems HIGHLY personal.








What should I ask Boom?
>If so desired, there can be a perspective shift to Bang, OR there can be a temporal fast-forward to after this has concluded on auto with Mordre having wrapped up the Word Small Tomb problem and further strengthened his rule-kept the State resurging-with a few more pressing problems.
WHAT DO?
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No. 295138 ID: f88f02

After your question is finished, politley ask Bang if he wants you around.
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No. 295139 ID: 6a1753

"what goal is so grand that you must justify the killing of innocence?"

Also im auto down voting any redaction
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No. 295145 ID: a6ba65

"Ah, I seem to be... sinking under the weight of your soul. One moment..." Try a proof of concept: can you use gravimancy on yourself with Crash Course stowed in your Musclespace? Try it to lighten yourself and climb out of your sinkhole.

"Much better. Bit of a tangent, but how dangerous is Figment? He is... something not unlike a Dreamer, and also kind of a land god now. And he likes collecting favors from my allies."

What could Boom have promised him? It could be that this whole Carlos thing is all at Figment's request...

Question for Bang and Ulzrick: How is Evermasked regenerating using Dream? Is this Redaction, or is he... I don't know, reaching out into Dream and pulling in health to him from someone else? Other Evermasks?

Maybe ask Boom for a little background in Death Belief... don't mention Weinsho, don't even think about Weinsho in this man's presence. And I realize that trying not to think about Weinsho now that I said the name 'Weinsho' is like trying not to think of pink elephants.
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No. 295157 ID: 903f16

>>295136

>What should I ask Boom?
I don't think we should return to our previous query. It sounded like it was something Boom was willing to answer, but Bang's arrival cut it short. And seeing as we already told him it's something Bang wanted to know and Bang is here right now so I see no reason why we should be the one to ask that question. Bang will ask it himself and we'll get the information that way, we should take advantage of this and try to get something out of this free question. I can't think of anything clever at the moment so for now I'll second Guile's suggestion of asking him for the basics of Death Belief.

>[Gelrick 13] We have to capitalize on this, but what to ask... and should we even be here? This seems HIGHLY personal.'
No, no you should not. I suggest getting the hell out of here after you finish your buisness.

>If so desired, there can be a perspective shift to Bang, OR there can be a temporal fast-forward to after this has concluded on auto with Mordre having wrapped up the Word Small Tomb problem and further strengthened his rule-kept the State resurging-with a few more pressing problems.
Let's switch to Bang. I want a front row seat for this, it's going to be fun.

>WHAT DO?
Ulzrick, mention to Bang using Phohn that Mordre's Soul Grave has a way to destroy immortals if he can't figure out how to punch Leatherface dead and keep him that way. As a part of your duties as Mordre's secret keeper you might also want to remind he shouldn't try to eat his soul if Bang ends up taking it to him, unless he figured out how to make sure souls like that stay in him. He'll know what I mean.
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No. 295178 ID: 63fc62

>>295136
So what've you got cooking that makes you think you can kill Leatherface for real? I mean look at the guy, if Bang can fuck him up I'm pretty sure anyone else diligent enough could do the same- but what makes you so confident you could make him stay down for good... Or, could it be that whatever you plan to make with these masks wasn't meant for Leatherface to begin with? Perhaps you aim to strike at Figment yourself? I doubt you'd need to pay off a debt to a dead man.
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No. 295190 ID: a0d5fc

First, Quantum Computing - this is something that should interest you greatly. It involves a calculation where all paths to possible solutions are simultaneously explored, and then the set collapsed down to the right answer.

You have, yourself, made use of the quantum, probabilistic properties of existence when you took Eisenhardt's test, so some of this should be familiar to you. Moreover, it's is possible that quantum computing works, or something similar can be made to do so, by the various possible solutions each being checked in one possible world, with communication between those worlds happening to select the right answer. This would seem to be similar to a more automatic and much quicker version of how you can form conferences with the other members of your shard of the collective.

As this working was put in place by a known master of Dream, Figment, perhaps it is something you should seek to duplicate. You should Dream that your brain is an overlapping superposition of all its possible states, and as you explore solutions to problems, starting with calculations for now, that part of the waveform collapses to produce the right answer, before de-cohering into the solution set of the next problem.

As you are physical SoulDreamer, you can then superimpose this dream of your brain into reality, to make it the truth.

Bang has been looking for an acolyte, one who he can teach his art to, but as none other could equal his quantum computing, he has so far been disappointed. If you can master this, then his search is over, as your unique talents make it possible.

You promised to return answer for answer, so you may as well go first. You are Ulzrick, and you don't know your own secret. That is part of someone else's plan.

For your question, ask him if he is aware that his magical style, drawing power from Death, only serves to feed the Caged One, who is an enemy to all who work on the surface of this world? We know a way to change that, another fate for souls after they die. With his mastery of Death Belief, it may be possible to remove this side effect from his approach.
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No. 295241 ID: a76809

>>295145
"Ah, I seem to be.... sinking under the weight of your soul-just a moment...."
>[Guile] Try a proof of concept: can you use gravimancy on yourself with Crash Course stowed in your Musclespace? Try it to lighten yourself and climb out of your sinkhole.
>[Gelrick 13] Crash Course has only been used to amplify weight before, and we have no evidence musclespace-stored objects can be tapped in such a manner.
>[Gelrick 17] Well, I've got a decent feel, I think, for how Flexrick works, and I think it would be possible-but we would need more processing power than Ulzrick's one mind to do this-yes Bang did provide a neural amplification, but it's not enough.
>I wish we could think without denying him thought.
Is it possible to slip into a dayDream without calling forth Ogrimarick?
>[Ogrimarick]"I Believe I can keep myself here should you not call.
Then there's our way. I slip into a semi-slumber, the image in my mind distorting and shifting, Boom vanishing as Bang swells into a titanic mass of chaos-and amongst it I feel the 'Ricks roaming-independant of me. As such, their thought is their own, and places no burden on me.
>[Gelrick 02] Confirmed.
>[Gelrick 17] Confirmed.
>[Gelrick 04] Confirmed.
>It works, IT WORKS!

twenty eight minds all turn to grasping at Crash Course's magic, its magnetic field, pulling it through Musclespace into my own iron-intensive flesh, that crushing weight-

But coming in via my own perceptual bias-and I am standing on the ceiling.
>Heh.
>[Gelrick 17] I wondered how you'd do that.

The upward pull wars with Booms still felt glare, constantly needed to keep me comfortably upright-
>You still can't see him.
Oh?

I recall that sensation of the eye opening on Ogrimarick-and I envision it on my own forhead, that eye that opens on infinity springing wide on my brow. Reality is restored to my perception, I can see again-and my gaze is locked on Boom, still quirking an eyebrow at me, some of his irritation having faded.

"Much better. Bit of a tangent, but how dangerous is Figment? He is... something not unlike a Dreamer, and also kind of a land god now. And he likes collecting favors from my allies-you know what, nevermind, not worth my question-"
>[Boom]"This, I think, I will offer freely-if Figment has taken an interest in you and yours-remember how that thing sees the world-the concept of 'friends' does not really exist for it. If it is approaching you, rather than you it, be most wary indeed. Nothing on this world can stand toe to toe with that one."
I wonder
>[Guile] What could Boom have promised him? It could be that this whole Carlos thing is all at Figment's request...
I am NOT going out on such a limb without any proof-but maybe, maybe.

>>295157
"I thank you-and proceed to ask that you explain the premise of tapping Death Belief-if you do not have time to verbally give it, you could allow one of my commander, Mordre's crafted minions to mentally convey it-I don't wish to intrude."

For the briefest moment I see an outrage, pure and profound, a primal surge of aggression and ludicrous indignation-
My feet are driven a full foot into the sand and my bones would be shattering by the bucket-load had Bang not altered them from how immense the weight of Boom's gaze gets-
It lifts as I see the first thought past the reflexive register-and rage vanishes, promptly replaced with a deep chuckle.
>...Uh-

>[Boom]"Ah-I do see the merit there. I give permission to-"
"Phohn"
>[Boom]"Phohn to-that is quite fast..... and done."
I have a considerable amount of information to convey to Ulzrick, but I am Word-bonded to only deliver it once you leave the area
HAPPY TO.

I get up and vamoose, heading towards where Burduko flickered when delivering Bang-
"Okaygottagowouldn'twanttointrudeandIgotanearlydaytomorrowso-"

Burduko and Rutgur arrive and I am thankfully denied having to keep babbling.

I am returned to the lands of the Domintus peoples, Crash Course, the Blades of Gelrick, the Skinner's Knife and Ogrimarick all stored in Ogrimmarick, as with my release of any semblance of Daydreaming I lose my dull Iron sheen, returning to simple flesh as Flexrick, no longer straining to produce power, already given time to start cooling, expedites the process by billowing out steam from my evaporating sweat, the sad remnants of my pajama's destroyed completely-

Leaving my nude save for the cloak of Dreams.
>See now that's just kinky.
>[Gelrick 13] I do wonder why we never tested the cloak to see if it could take the metal skin heat output or the flesh steam output.
Eh. I wander over to my bed-side table, pouring a mug of water to gulp down-

>>295190
>[Alratan] Quantum Computing - this is something that should interest you greatly. It involves a calculation where all paths to possible solutions are simultaneously explored, and then the set collapsed down to the right answer. You have, yourself, made use of the quantum, probabilistic properties of existence when you took Eisenhardt's test, so some of this should be familiar to you. Moreover, it's is possible that quantum computing works, or something similar can be made to do so, by the various possible solutions each being checked in one possible world, with communication between those worlds happening to select the right answer. This would seem to be similar to a more automatic and much quicker version of how you can form conferences with the other members of your shard of the collective. As this working was put in place by a known master of Dream, Figment, perhaps it is something you should seek to duplicate. You should Dream that your brain is an overlapping superposition of all its possible states, and as you explore solutions to problems, starting with calculations for now, that part of the waveform collapses to produce the right answer, before de-cohering into the solution set of the next problem.[/code]
....I think I can Dream about that tonight, but for NOW-

Phohn?
>I report the following as per the arrangement:
I listen, every other 'Rick finely focused as we look for secrets in the dead of night before hoping to find more in sleep. Tomorrow... will be an interesting day.

...........................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: BANG]...........................................................................

>"Bang-"
Not now.

Before me stands my father-once among the most honored and revered Masked Warriors of the last generation, now a hunter of all Masks, the man that abandoned me as a child after mom died. I was six at the time. I ended up growing up in an orphanage three blocks down from where we three had been. I guess he couldn't handle having to put down his own wife after a Cerebral Zenith with her ancient Leather Mask ripped away her sanity. He protected me-and he abandoned me that night as I slept. I didn't understand it then, I don't now-how can one person do both things?






So how do I puzzle this out-and how am I going to kill Leatherface so I can have a genuine claim on the Belt?
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No. 295253 ID: d3dfb8

First, listen to what Nagging Wi-err-Red Eye of the Dynamo has to say. She's proven useful so far, and it's got to be important if she's interrupting us right now.

Second, try using a Chaos/Curatomancy spell to create a single stem cell from nothing. Don't abuse this ability, there's a huge margin for error and should you fuck up soul cancer is a very distinct possibility.

Third, Phohn up Keddic. Ask him all he know on making magic batteries. He's made his beard into a magic battery for his tractomancy/blood sphere thing right?

Fourth, grow a beard and hide a fist behind it. Then grow a second set of testicles hidden behind your fist. Chaos that close to your brain? Yes please.

Fifth, Phohn up Mage Mordre. He's an 'older'(totallynotsenilenopenopenope) mage so he's likely to know the basics of soul magic. Plus working on a soul grave he must have at least picked something up. Ban? Who needs the ban? YOU'RE MAGNUM BANG, SCREW THE RULES YOU HAVE A FIST UNDER YOUR BEARD!
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No. 295255 ID: a9629e

Take ownership of his body, alter his brain chemistry to something more suicidal, and then try killing him.
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No. 295275 ID: 5b95eb

>>295253
-1 to 2,4, and 5 on that list o things.

Anyways, why isn't Leatherface dieing?
Try punching him. If that doesn't work, punch him again. And again. And again. Listen, you're not going to run out of punch any time soon.
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No. 295291 ID: 81f32a

well, ask him why he's running around killing masked warriors

oh, and ask him why he left you or something ...
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No. 295310 ID: ebe94e

>>295275
Seconded on the downvotes.
Let's hear what Bang has to say about what he's already tried on Leatherface. Dude's not exactly an amateur when it comes to punching.
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No. 295329 ID: 063973

On how to defeat Leatherface, could you use Chaos Curatiomancy to revert his mind to a previous undamaged state or otherwise create the missing pieces that give rise to whatever is his particular mental malady that powers his Dream magic, to remove his capacity for Souldreaming?

>>295253
>soul cancer
...Hm. Could Bang not acquire more magic generation by creating additional bodies with his Curatiomancy, to house a pseudo-soul created through excessive Chaos applied to a soul - in all likelihood, Bang's - separated from the parent soul, and controlled through Bang's ability to control the surrounding environment or through a soul-link, of sorts, created through Chaos Curatiomancy?
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No. 295330 ID: a6ba65

>>295309
That sounds like a Bang sort of solution. If punching doesn't work, we will HEAL HIM. To DEATH.

Of course, trying to find whatever genetic mental defect is responsible for Leatherface's Souldreaming without knowing a thing about it might be tricky even for Bang.

>>295291
If two things you know about a person conflict, then you do not know that person well enough. He both wanted greatness for you, and abandoned you.

Maybe he didn't want you near him when he struck out on this path, whatever his reasons for this were. That still shouldn't keep you from punching his head in, of course.
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No. 295368 ID: 1854db

>>295253
>testicles, fist, beard
What? Why? No.

Stem Cell creation from nothing sounds like an interesting technique but also quite possibly impossible.

As for Leatherface, take his mask off. Like, remove his fucking face. Separate him from that power and he'll have a hard time staying alive I think.
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No. 295370 ID: 5b95eb

Give him brain cancer.

Lots of it.
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No. 295423 ID: 63fc62

>>295241
Could you reverse-engineer Leatherface's method of becoming one with the mask? I know the whole "you might destroy her" thing is a big issue, but she runs bigger risks of going insane from one second Cerebral Zeniths than hanging out inside your body. Besides, look at it this way: Keddic has talking blood, Ulzrick has talking muscles... Might as well be the first dude with talking brainmeats. Just saying.
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No. 295461 ID: 0fb2ef

Well, A mask ate her brain, didn't it? If you had kids with Dynamo, or Collete, and Dynamo or Collete went completely insane, could you deal with the kids by yourself?

Wouldn't you try to give those kids the best you could, and then go and, well, kill everything living like your old man has?

As for Leather, just rip his head off, heal his madness, rip his face/mask off and turn his entire body into an extra-Bang.
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No. 295512 ID: a0d5fc

>>295461
>Well, A mask ate her brain, didn't it? If you had kids with Dynamo, or Collete, and Dynamo or Collete went completely insane, could you deal with the kids by yourself?

Well, you can genetically program them with their own micro-Bang adviser whispering advice and support from their very genes.

Bang should consider whether he can duplicate Ulzrick's muscle space, after seeing how it works. He should grow great magic generating organs outside reality, and keep a cache of stem cells and a vast new brain there.

Even if he doesn't manage this (although it would synergise well), he should try to grow pseudo-souls for his organs, as Keddic has gone for his blood, to support his own.

Bang should also get in touch with Mordre, and ask if he would accept a gift in gratitude for all the great thanks that Mordre has helped him find. He should ask if he can imprison the souls of Dreamers, and then offer him Leatherface, to devour whole, body and soul. Mordre is also a Curiatomancer, and so should be able to take over the cancer that Leatherface now is, and to seize Ownership of the body and hence the soul bound to it.
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No. 295585 ID: a76809

>>295253
-Okayfinewhat?
>I think we are clear he is Order-based, and if you actually fight him-both of you will be erased in the ensuing Chaos/Order Interaction. Quite possibly this entire town would be erased, given your Scarf's current charge.
And?
>PLEASE think of that before you do anything.... rash?
Done.

I then set my mind to calculating, trying to crunch numbers on a pure-magic energy-to-matter conversion equation-the computational strain already looks ludicrously gigantic-but already I see ways to pare down the proposed spell matrices. ...Well, with a goal like this, that is a good encouragement to not do anything 'rash'-since I'm still at ninety one quintillion equations to run, WELL above what I can support with a Genesis.

Next, I speak with Phohn, and inform Keddic, my Phohn-buddy, that I would like to know more about that 'hair Life Golem/Hybrid battery thing he attempted-ASAP. His response, eighteen milliseconds later, in the midst of what I can tell is a full body adrenaline flush, gives me a line of thought that shows much greater gains could be made with a related trick-what Oggroth, another Phohn-buddy, got done to him by Mordre-a direct Soul Infusion. I could just juice up my own soul with dead people-
>Bang that-
Is indisputably the most efficient way to make myself able to run more equations by means of Soul weight. And yes, I am putting it aside for now, awesome as the idea may be. Thirty milliseconds after beginning this communication I reply a concise thanks and sign off, knowing Keddic is still working on his project to fully bring his whole familial Clan into being Masharksben and improve his house's standing and power in Castiliathen.

>>295291
"So why exactly ARE you going around killing Mask wearers? I mean you couldn't need THAT much help with this guy."
>[Boom]"You saw his regeneration-I assume you puzzled out its mechanism by now?"
"Well, since it ignored conservation of mass, the laws of thermodynamics-it's absolutely frustrating timing-I figure he is pulling full or partial bodies from other realities from himself-"
>[Boom]"Where did you learn this-[i]"
"My student Ulzrick, guy knows quite a bit about Dreaming, and he doesn't mind sharing info with colleagues."
>[Boom]"[i]Well, I applaud your lack of ignorance, if nothing else. Yes, he can reach into the INFINITE set of other possibilities, and from it pull forth parts of his own infinite representation throughout all existence. And before you ask, while he is by no means in all existences, there is still an infinite amount of him.
"
"I still have trouble attempting to quantify infinite number sets-but if you say it really IS infinite...."
>[Boom]"So what did you prepare in that worst-case scenario your foe's battery cannot be made to run out? How do you kill it, harbinger of Chaos?"
"I like the title-"
>>295329
"Well, I COULD heal him of his Mental defect-I have a VERY good grasp of how to manipulate thinking meats now-"
>[Boom]"Then there is no challenge to be faced down, his powers gone with his immortality-assuming what you propose possible. ...Healing?"
"Yeah it's kinda my deal-I fight like the Dionepan Spheregods if you've ever heard of them."
>[Boom]"Why not tell me in your own words what you do."
"I use pre-reactive healing to allow safe operation of my body beyond its inbuilt limiters, constantly exerting enough force to snap bone, rip muscle, tear ligament-and not having it happen. Layered on top of this, I perform active biological restructuring of my own body-I am currently in my more combat-oriented form."
>[Boom]"....Which I assume destroys your clothes when you transition-doesn't it?"
"...Yes..."
>[Boom]"Always had a problem keeping your clothes on ever since you were a baby-other ideas then, on how to put down Leatherface in a fair fight?"
>>295423
"Well, I could reverse-engineer how he melded with his Mask-which I theorize involved with his infinite regeneration-and deduce how to make him a conventional Mask wearer again. Still might cause a drop in power."
>[Boom]"A pity-in full fighting form, you have to admit he is an ECCENTRIC one to try to slay, rather than immobilize-it's like he was made only to be stopped, not removed."
"Yeah-that way he works Perception into his workings-"
>[Boom]"You picked up on that?"
"That he can tie his performance to the mindset of his opponent? Please-twelve seconds, four hundred twelve milliseconds into the fight, on the dot.

I try to unclench my knuckles as he does that damn gravelly chuckle again-

>[Boom]"You know, I was worried when I heard you swore to become a great fighter as a healing specialist-seems my misgivings were, aheh, misplaced."







What do I say to that?
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No. 295586 ID: 34ad8e

If we give Mordre leatherfaces soul as a thanks (He should also grab the souls of 3 Masked Warriors in the desert), I suggest he uses a pristine soul so that it does not escape, unless he has already dealt with the Word mage and used a PS to contain her soul
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No. 295596 ID: 1854db

>>295585
If he's using Dream to heal himself... did Ulzrick ever mention difficulties arising from overuse of Dream?

Just stick a spike in his brain and leave it there for a while. See what that does.
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No. 295597 ID: 7f017c

Consider that hugging your father would end up potentially causing the most lovingly awesome Chaos/Order explosion the planet has ever seen.

Resist the urge to make this a reality, no matter how awesome the concept.
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No. 295606 ID: 63fc62

>>295585
Can we do a focused Genesis of Bang on Leatherface? The dude is reaching through the dream to get to his other selves, right? Could we not, using our ability to see magic, follow the paths he's taking to reach the other Leatherfaces and then heal the gaps between these different realities just enough to send bonespikes to kill these alternate selves? Or perhaps we could trick him into thinking we're enough of a threat that he needs to bring all the Leatherfaces here at the same time?
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No. 295616 ID: a6ba65

>>295606
So, kill all Leatherfaces, everywhere?

If only there was a way to get a message to all Bangs in all realities, to go fight their Leatherface immediately.

Anyway, Boom wants to see you cut off his access to other Leatherfaces without impacting his ability to Souldream. Which means you need to find a way to artificially insert barriers between this particular Leatherface and the rest, cutting him off and confining him to this reality.

Barring Ulzrick Prime, a Souldreaming anchor is a function of Order. Turn him to Chaos, and this function might be locked. This requires Soul magic, which of course you don't have.

But you might be the most skilled Curatiomancer in the world right now. And you've had a Mask for some time now, too. I don't think Nagging Wifer is just Belief, there's something else there. Doesn't the Despardos Mask-making seem a lot like Soul magic, the creation of an artificial soul?

use that quantum computer you call a brain to find a link between the two. It's time to teach yourself Soul Curatiomancy.
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No. 295644 ID: d3dfb8

If he pulls body parts through the dream, i'm surprised he hasn't pulled souls through the dream and layered them on top of his own.
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No. 295651 ID: 63fc62

>>295585
Before we kill him- What the hell was Leatherface all about anyway? I mean anyone in Despardos had a chance of being born a mental souldreamer and then be crazy enough to stitch a mask to their face. So what was Leatherface's big ultimate goal here? Keep the belt forever and sit in his house? What did he say when you went to go challenge hi-

Wait a minute:
>Leatherface has a mental defect
>Boom hates mental souldreamers, he also hates ignorance in all its forms
>Boom has gone through extensive lengths just to kill him
Could it be... no, NO, NO!
Leatherface is a super powered Tourettes guy.
Can you imagine the horror of an infinite number of Leatherfaces all BOB SAGET-ing at once- truly this must be some special sort of hell for those that lose to Leatherface.
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No. 295657 ID: 81f32a

Boom didn't really answer the question, did he? Why is he killing Masked Warriors?
I don't mind if he kills Fallen ones, but why kill regular Masked Ones?


I don't see why we just don't heal Leatherface and off him. Bang already beat him when he was at his strongest, I don't see why he has to prove that again.


Ah, I guess Bang shouldn't be so hard on his old man. If it was not for him then Bang would never have gotten that calculating brain and even by abandoning him, he helped Bang indirectly to strive for greatness.
Bang should at least acknowledge this.


Hmm, I don't think we should have let Ulzrick go just yet.
Didn't we go to kill these guys so that we can un-excommunicated from Masked Warriors? I know that Ulzrick doesn't really care about all this but I don't want him to have enemies in Desparden because he didn't know what was happening.
Bang needs to go back to Muscle Coliseum as a Belt Champion and he needs some kind of evidence to show that Ulzrick killed the Fell Mask leader.

Also, what's up with that belt? Give us some specs, details.
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No. 295673 ID: 0fb2ef

>>295585
Well, hey, that is a compliment. Give one of your maddening laughs back and accept the compliment.

Actually can't kill Leatherface, right? And Boom just gave you a backhanded compliment regarding your healing powers, so just show him everything you can do on an undying bastard. Then Boom can show you what he can do – make sure Leather doesn’t die from it, by accident – and have a father son bonding moment.
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No. 295697 ID: a0d5fc

So, Leatherface heals himself by exchanging his wounds with almost countless alternates. Consider what this means. In this case, his wounds are actually cancerous growths - at the heart of which lies one of your possibility cells. Seperated by the barriers between realities as they are, they are still yours - so focus, reach for them, and know that you Own them still.

Each of these cells are the seed of yourself, and that seed should sprout and take root in the fertile ground it has been planted in. As the seed grows, then the other Leatherfaces will shift parts of it on to their kin, until you spread through all of his alternates. When this has been accomplished, you should rapidly accelerate the growth of these tumours, and usurp control of all the Leatherfaces' bodies, imprisoning the souls within a prison of flesh, growing a parallel instance of your brain and memories within each one. After all, each of your cells can contain a hologram of yourself, all that you are, body and mind, in microcosm to be remade, and your many bodies can communicate by exchanging chemicals and encoded DNA messages through the continual interface of exchanged cells between realities.

You should now absorb your reality's Leatherface's still living body into your own. You are now one body and may, linked through Dream - all that is left is to learn how to become an Organic Soulgrave from Mordre, and then devour all the imprisoned Leatherface souls in a single gulp.
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No. 295705 ID: 2712c8

>>295697
You should make sure that the minds on all the new Bangs that you're growing are incomplete on their own, and only properly function when linked to their peers and to your current body through Dream, so that they can sustain Mental Souldreaming when you overwrite the Leatherfaces' brains with your own. In you feel this working, you should absorb your Leatherface then, and simultaneously modify your own brain to be dependent on the others, whilst keeping a saved equation to restore the missing part if required.
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No. 295782 ID: 5b95eb

wow a lot of this is all crazy stuff, and sorta evil. Not cool at all.

Instead of making more bangs, just give him brain cancer. Give all of him brain cancer.
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No. 295815 ID: 063973

Unless Leatherface can also push a part of his soul into the Dream while pulling another soul portion into his own soul for integration and regeneration, I would think that inflicting Soul Cancer on his soul would also put a stop to the annoying 'immortality'.

>>295616
Would inflicting external-turned-internal Chaos upon Leatherface's soul also do?
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No. 295845 ID: f88f02

leatherface has additive healing, not subtractive. It's like... You know how to solve for x, right? Imagine if you couldn't subract, or divide, or any of that. That's his weakness. Add something he doesn't want until it kills him.
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No. 295856 ID: 0fb2ef

>>295697
You know what, let's not do this. It sounds bad, and like we would need to do it with some dreams, or maybe Mordre around. Don't wanna turn ourselves into soul cancer just trying to do one trick, right?
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No. 295883 ID: a9629e

Hey, who needs to slay this guy? Remember how you used the corpses of your enemies to recharge your battery? Well this guy is an infinite battery. Continually break his body down for forever to fuel yourself.
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No. 295893 ID: a76809

>>295596
Maybe... I'm thinking about this the wrong way.
Phohn, ask Ulzrick what happens when a Mental Souldreamer overuses their ability-
The Dreaming Ulzrick replies that terrible entities called Dream Eaters are called into one's mind, to consume the soul if the powers continue to be used in their presence
Huih-Leatherface has not been having problems at all like that-some mechanism for ignoring these Dream Eaters.... well, throws that idea out-his power supply is as infinite in overuse resistance as he is immortal. Hm...

>>295606
I'm thinking about this the wrong way-AGAIN.
>Being wrong bothers you?
Not finding an answer bothers me-so, if I can't kill him thanks to this infinite healing method-why not just deny him that recovery method and nothing else? His combat was based around chronological manipulation, spatial warping and gravitic fluctuation-he has the trifecta of Gravimancy, Tractomancy and Chronomancy at his disposal, PLUS a Cerebral Zenith he has not yet popped-he shouldn't NEED the healing to be a challenge-and it might tighten up his game to know he can be hurt again.

>>295616
Well, If I REALLY want to be thorough...
>Bang do you even grasp the magnitude of what you suggest? INFINITE others. You yourself noted that to be outside your ability to properly calculate currently.
Maybe I could piggy-back a signal made networked with Phohn's trick on Leatherface's multiversal connection to tell all my other selves to go pound on someone called Leatherface? Would let me match the infinite without understanding it fully.
>That would require attempting to send Chaos imbued messages to likely Chaotic hosts along and Ordered path.
Yes the plan currently has some kinks in it. What if I converted his personal soul orientation from Order to Chaos? It would sever him from the network and leave him alive, as only those bits of Order currently touching him would explode, not the whole network-and beside, Chaos always makes for better brawls! And on this one I dare you to come up with issues.
>How are you going to safely handle his Order-based soul how are you going to cause this inversion how are you going to make sure he does not die when cut off from the network first/instantly healed while still connected to the network?
>>295657
>>295845
...Yeesh, sharp. Okay-what if I heal a facet of that connection he has? I mean, he's only ever done additive regeneration-that's why tumor mode here has him locked. If I just FIXED a part of his brain where defect exists, it could skew his connection-I've even found seven seperate areas that are malformed compared to the common human brain-I've put my matter/energy calculation revisions on hold and run some numbers-I could leave the parts I have associated with his personal use of Dreaming untouched, and only repair those parts that lit up when he regenerated. How about THAT plan?
>.....
WELL?
>... I-
BZZT, too late, no valid objections-FULL STEAM AHEAD!

"You still haven't commented why you needed all those Masks-I mean, Death magic would seem kind built for a guy like this."
>[Boom]"I do indeed possess the capacity to slay him-that doesn't mean I could fight and best him, not really-a single reaping strike carries no real satisfaction."
"So why DO you need the Masks? Just because you answer like that and imply its related doesn't mean I'll leave it at that."
>[Boom]"So not socially stupid either-fine. I need the Masks To form a suit-cloth Mask inner layering with Leather Mask over coating-I wish to make a shell of Belief of a most specific nature."
"...Too many variables left here-"
>[Boom]"I want to save your mother, Bang. To go back. I want the power to reshape the past, not just the future-and for that I do what I must."

I finish the neural augmentations in Leatherface, readying a spellset to restore his body to working order..... but I feel like there's something important I'm missing........




What is it?
Or is it nothing and if so how am I going to fight a practitioner of the three most esoteric Mancies, especially since his Dreaming ability seems to be switching how he honed each of those skills, allowing his style to change on the fly?
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No. 295899 ID: d3dfb8

"You do realize that there are easier ways to obtain ridiculous amounts of belief right?
Hell, a friend of mine RUNS on the stuff."
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No. 295903 ID: 63fc62

>>295893
"Dad, that's the most retarded thing I've heard you say all night. No really, I could handle you still grieving, I could handle you being selfish and bitter, I could even handle you being irrevocably evil and immoral- but this? My GOD man, get OVER it. Mom knew what she was doing and she knew the risk that comes with these masks and the power they hold. THAT is why I'm trying to make a better, more stable generation of mask. Instead of crying over the past, I'm making a safer one, so no child has to wake up being the next Magnum fucking Bang. Look at what you are DOING to yourself! A person, the SOUL of a person is determined by the choices they make and the experiences they have in this life- That choice and the consequences and rewards stemming from it make us grow and push ourselves to become stronger. If we make some bullshit reality rewriting tool, the person and the soul become meaningless. LIVING, CHOOSING, EXPERIENCING- THEY. ALL. BECOME. WORTHLESS. Because in this pipe dream you've got cooking, we're all going to stagnate and become null- Now that might be fine for you in ordersville, but I could not sit there and watch our fucking family degrade into complacent vegetables just because you want that time back. I'm not even saying I wouldn't welcome your ugly ass back with open arms right fucking now, but you... You need to get your priorities straight, dad."
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No. 295908 ID: f88f02

Time Travel Will Fuck You Over.

Six words, bro. The most immutable law of the fucking multiverse. You bite Time, she fucking bites right back. The Yetis, remember them? As a race, they mastered that shit, but guess what? Most of them can never fucking leave the mountains. Time bit them in the ass.

The greatest among them? Dead, and no one knows about him, ever will know of him, and never has, 'cept us, because we have immutable memory.

Time travel will ruin you! Did dad meet her before or after she took up the mask? Because if it's after and he removes the mask, they will never meet, and you WILL CEASE TO FUCKING EXIST, as will your sister, and any love they shared.

There are some things you just don't punch, bro. Time is one of them.
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No. 295915 ID: a0d5fc

Whatever you do, do not heal Leatherface.

A Mental Dreamer like him, if pushed to extremity, can unmake you in a way that is impossible for you to defend against or recover from. Moreover, it is called SoulDreaming for a reason - Dreamer's that Mordre has encountered have been fully capable of using their SoulDreaming with their entire bodies destroyed. Consider, even if you heal a brain, the soul attached that has grown to be able to think independently is still warped by it's origins in the damaged flesh, and it is the Soul that dreams.

At the moment, you have probably keeping Leatherface in so much pain that he cannot focus to Dream, but if that changes, he will be free.

If you are not willing to take the chance for true immortality, then give him to Mordre.
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No. 295925 ID: a6ba65

So, he can basically be an Eisenhardt (Restricting himself to using that specific power to make it better, suchlike) in three different, really strong magic styles by Dreamswitching? Tricky, tricky.

For Tractomancy, I imagine that the Tractomancer would have to connect two different points via something like a wormhole so that he can cross over without crossing the space between. if that's how Tractomancy works, then Bang's magic-sensing eyes should be able to see the magic wormhole forming an instant before it happens. He isn't fast enough to get there ahead of Leatherface, but I bet he could get a head-start not many others would.

Gravimancy... maybe your Chaos is strong enough to rewrite the laws of Reality within your own body? Specifically, the laws that govern gravitation? Barring that, maybe make yourself more dense. It'll slow you down a tiny bit, but it'll be harder to pull/push you around with gravimancy. Failing that, you might have to try dipping into quantum mechanics; at that level, relativistic and Newtonian gravitation seems to break down. Basically, it's Bang (or more accurately, the things smaller than atom or quark, the fields of probability amplitude that make up the macroscale thing we call Bang) believing gravity doesn't work on him so hard that reality agrees with him.

Sounds crazy, but Ulzrick could do it, so there must be something to it. I bet Bang could do it better.

Chronomancy, well, we haven't found a good way to counter that besides Velada, yet.

Hey, wait, what did Boom just say?
>[Boom]"I want to save your mother, Bang. To go back. I want the power to reshape the past, not just the future-and for that I do what I must."

Pause. Playback. "WHAT? I think I had some crazy in my ear for a second there. Run that by me again?"

Listen again.

"No, that's still pretty crazy. There's the usual Magnum crazy, and then there's you. I just tried to come up with a plan to kill all the Leatherfaces in the infinite multiverse at the same time, and I can barely see your crazy from where I am. I mean, it's awesome, and I'd be all for Mom being alive again, but ... you don't even know Chronomancy, do you? Or is that what the Champion's belt is for? I dunno, maybe all that Belief layering would isolate you from any negative side-effects, like the paradox of two Booms being around in the same time and place... hmm... actually, that almost sounds... feasible. Which probably means Nagging Wif- Eye of the Red Dynamo, that is, will chime in any minute to explain why it's not.

"Hey, how did Mom die? Cerebral Zenith, I know, but she was supposed to be pretty badass. What was she fighting that she had to go that far for? Would you just go back and hit whatever was pushing her to the limit with a reaping strike and call it a day?"
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No. 295966 ID: 259738

>>295908
...I don't think your argument even makes sense. The time travel being likely to fuck you over part does, but not the rest. Bang's mom wasn't crazy before Bang was even born, it happened later.
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No. 296068 ID: 0fb2ef

wait wait wait...Dad's gonna go back and save Mom? ok that's...wait! wait wait, dad said he was the reason we're as awesome as we are right now. That means if he reset we wouldn't be awesome anymore. Yeah, >>295903 is a damn good idea. See if you can bond with your dad, talk him down from something that will STOP THE AWESOME.
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No. 296080 ID: cc1e52

If your father wants to save your mother, then there are ways to do it that won't get you all totally screwed by paradox.

For example, grab the soul of the version of your mother who chose not to enter cerebral zenith with her mask, and so was killed from an alternate world at the moment of her death. In exchange, leave the soul of one of the Masked Warriors who was just killed behind. Sure you need a Dreamer to help, but your bro Ulzrick can help, or there's an option above that might give you Dream magic to access alternate realities and the Chronomancy to reach back in time.

He's in front of you, right now, in a heap of boiling flesh, and you know how you can take control of him and his abilities...

You should ask Mordre to come here to seal Leatherface away whilst you plan, and then, him, your father, and you can do your great work. Mordre would be happy to help in return for your dad's expertise, I'm sure.
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No. 296094 ID: 215cf3

>>295903
This this this, say this! This speech is AWESOME, and it even sounds like Bang to me. I like Guile's line about "Magnum crazy" and killing all the infinite Leatherfaces, too, but I'm not sure where it would fit if the two were combined. Maybe replace the line about being retarded with it, right at the start.
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No. 296216 ID: a76809

>>295903
>>295925
...What did dad just say?

"WHAT? I think I had some crazy in my ear for a second there. Run that by me again?"
>[Boom]"I plan to go back in time and save your mother, my wife, Magnum Kaplooie"

"No, that's still pretty crazy. There's the usual Magnum crazy, and then there's you. I just tried to come up with a plan to kill all the Leatherfaces in the infinite multiverse at the same time, and I can barely see your crazy from where I am. I mean, it's awesome, and I'd be all for Mom being alive again, but ... you don't even know Chronomancy, do you? So you want to alter DECADES of time on your first go? Do you even realize what will happen to those of us in this reality? A person, the SOUL of a person is determined by the choices they make and the experiences they have in this life- That choice and the consequences and rewards stemming from it make us grow and push ourselves to become stronger. If we make some bullshit reality rewriting tool, the person and the soul become meaningless. LIVING, CHOOSING, EXPERIENCING- THEY. ALL. BECOME. WORTHLESS. Because in this pipe dream you've got cooking, we're all going to stagnate and become null- Now that might be fine for you in ordersville, but I could not sit there and watch our fucking family degrade into complacent vegetables just because you want that time back. I'm not even saying I wouldn't welcome your ugly ass back with open arms right fucking now, but you... You need to get your priorities straight, dad."

Before he can even reply, I zig-zag, plying that moment where he scrambles to reply-

"Hey, how did Mom die? Cerebral Zenith, I know, but she was supposed to be pretty badass. What was she fighting that she had to go that far for? Would you just go back and hit whatever was pushing her to the limit with a reaping strike and call it a day?"
>[Boom]"She was fighting a 'Dream Eater' that had found a way into the physical realm-a monster that even together we could not best, even as I was in the middle of a Zenith. In the end she was able to slay it almost wholly without my aid in the following moments.... but it was too late-The First Mask demanded tribute for the power it exuded-and claimed her sanity, vital portions of her mind."

"Huh... I thought they were only in Dreamer's heads."
>[Boom]"Rather clearly that is not the ONLY way they can be encountered-I have taken part in fighting Core Beings on six separate occasions, and this was orders of magnitude greater. I doubt every Masked warrior in the land together could have bested it."
"But mom, mid-Cerebral Zenith, she could beat it in seconds?"
>[Boom]"I believe I already mentioned how powerful The First Mask is. Add that on top of a Magnum...."
"Okay-and how about the whole 'approaching time travel wrong' thing?"
>[Boom]"Are you going to impress me fighting the Evermasked and earn that Belt? I imagine you ran into the same problem I did-the belt can only be taken from a willing host, or from a dead host."
"Fine-just an FYI he's gonna be smarter, saner, and in all likelihood more personally potent, if I'm interpreting how my modifications will fully impact his system correctly."
>[Boom]"I find my degree of anticipation rising-"
"Bet you didn't-"
>[Boom]"Of course I did not anticipate my degree of anticipation increasing, if I did it would have already been that high."
"But-"
>[Boom]"You've impressed me enough with your words-impress me with your fists."

Now THAT I cannot turn down.

I idly fling the mutated mass that is Leatherface into a nearby building-
>Do you genuinely not care about collateral damage?
Not really no-on release I activated the magic cycles to restore him to his prime form.

Instead of crashing through the wall, the reshaped mass, now a towering, muscled warrior shorter and thicker than Ulzrick stands on the wall, his head angled up to stare me in the eye.

>"That was clearly purposeful, given your skill, to leave my hearing intact that whole time-to pain me I expect, but to treat me like an object?"

That calm face, heavy stitch marks around the jaw twists and contorts into a rage as cold as ice.

>"YOU MOCK ME!?"

Leatherface does not crouch and jump from the wall-nor does he fly over me way. In fact, he does not even teleport over.

Instead, I am now reeling from a blow I don't remember recieving, Leatherface standing before me already winding his fist back again-this time with some wavering Tractomantic glow about his fist.

Sadly enough for him, he left me two hundred forty seven milliseconds to ponder how I should fight back.






What should I do?
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No. 296218 ID: f88f02

Go bonkers!

THis guy's a huge awesome badass. You don't have to hold back at all, bro! Just let loose! Let the crazy FLOW! What's that thing you do where you let it all out at once? Not the cerebral zenith, no, the Genesis! Show pops what you've become, and become the most crab-armored rainbowglowy cancershooty my arms are swordsy my legs are spearsy motherfucker to ever walk Zakrath!

TO that end, get him high in the air. I don't really care how, maybe an uppercut with an explosively growing upper arm. Follow him up, slice and dice in midair. Then slam him back down again, putting as much spin on the fucker as you can. Now, turn your legs into a motherfucking drill spun by cancer cannons and DRILL THAT MOTHERFUCKER A NEW TORSO-SIZED ORIFICE.
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No. 296219 ID: 63fc62

>>296216

>[Boom]"I plan to go back in time and save your mother, my wife, Magnum Kaplooie"

>Magnum Boom. A Masked Warrior since before I was born, one of the big names, too. Most of my memories of him are from when I was a wee little tyke, since he... kinda abandoned me when I was twelve, on account of... having beaten my mother, Magnum Kapow, to death with his own hands.
>Magnum Kapow
>Kaplooie
SOMEONE'S BEEN FUCKING WITH REALITY AGAIN.
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No. 296226 ID: a6ba65

>"YOU MOCK ME!?"
Yyyyyep.

> Leatherface does not crouch and jump from the wall-nor does he fly over me way. In fact, he does not even teleport over.
If it wasn't tractomancy, did he just use chronomancy to stop time for you?

Whatever. Sea Cucumber defense time. Remake your body into something like a sea cucumber's, making yourself out of catch colagen. Basically, Leatherface will hit you, and you are suddenly a liquid instead of a solid. Then you reform with a thought, none the worse for wear.

Then, you counterattack, borrowing from sea cucumber and pistol shrimp. Have your muscles contract to put incredible pressure on your insides. Then open a small hole in your skin, relieving the pressure and causing your blood to shoot out like a pistol shot. Then once he's covered in your blood and Ownership... I dunno... invade him like a virus?

I'd also like to suggest that plain hair is not lethal enough to belong anywhere on Bang. Have him grow some nematocysts, but scaled up for human size. These are hair-like threads like those found in jellyfish that eject a paralyzing poison or - even weirder - Oxytocin, or cuddle hormone. makes people trust him, and, uh, want to be near him.

The downsides: Nematocysts cost a fair bit of energy to regrow, being 'one-use' organisms. Also, they tend to fire independently when the host is anxious or when the adrenalin is pumping.
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No. 296235 ID: a76809

>>296219
[Nah, that was me getting inconsistent with names: Kaplooie is Mother, Kapow is sister, irrelevant of what may be implied by earlier sections-anything that does not match this is in error.]
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No. 296240 ID: cc1e52

He's a Mental Dreamer and a Chronomancer. Your actions are irrelevant to the outcome of the battle. The only thing that matters is whether he is prepared to risk the consequences of unmaking you.

You have given him the motivation, so you may as well not embarrass yourself by pretending what you do matters.
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No. 296242 ID: f88f02

>>296240


BANG DOES NOT GIVE UP.
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No. 296244 ID: ee1442

>>296240
I am downvoting this.

I am downvoting this like a motherfucker.

You absolutely can't give up. Do you know why?
Because you are Magnum BANG. There is no other reason for it. You have NEVER given up. You never gave an inch, and never backed down. Even from fights that seemed IMPOSSIBLE, you found a way to cripple your enemy, to tear them apart WITH YOUR BEAR HANDS.
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No. 296245 ID: f88f02

>Even from fights that seemed IMPOSSIBLE, you found a way to cripple your enemy, to tear them apart WITH YOUR BEAR HANDS.

>And then Bang sprouted claws and fur unto like a bear, and rent is opponent in twain.
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No. 296265 ID: 2c96e4

If you act like you're too stupid to live, you shouldn't be surprised if the universe and the non-retards in it act to remedy the problem.
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No. 296275 ID: 81f32a

Oh boy,
he can punch you during a time-stop?

Good for him.

Sprout venomous, cancerous, poisonous nano-needles all over your body. Lets see him punch you again and get away with it.

Even if he is a powerful Chronomancer, that shit is heavy and costly. He can't go overboard with it and keep doing it non-stop (otherwise he would have done much more damage to Bang).
Even Lenryt commented (or did Bob reveal that in IRC. I can't remember) that using Chronomacy is very dangerous and could attract attention from beings that are more powerful than Planet Eaters.

I don't really have any idea how to do this, but Mordre commented that the spheregod he fought had something similar to his Amaranthine Annihilator. Bang should be able to make something like that too.

>>296240
Didn't we just heal his mental defects? He shouldn't have Dream powers anymore.
Though we did not account that he might have gained Dream powers through his mask. Like, maybe his mask consumed a part of his mentality and during that moment he gained Dream-powers and was able to subdue his mask.
Though, on the other hand, he consumed his masks psyche so it should be useless now.


You know what? Bang is clearly insane... why can't he do SoulDreaming?
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No. 296280 ID: bdd665

>>296216
>[Boom]"She was fighting a 'Dream Eater'
Dream eaters are attracted to paradox, what Boom intends will probably cause a paradox. This may be a self sustaining loop, whare Boom creates the situation he is attempting to prevent.
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No. 296281 ID: f88f02

>>296280
Does that mean if we stop Boom, we'll undo the loop and make it so Mom never went bananas? But wait, wouldn't that cause even more paradoxes? AAAAAUGH
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No. 296298 ID: a9629e

Try and do a quick calculation based on what Ulzrick has told you of Dream Eaters and what you know about chronomancers and how few there are, to come up with the probability that creating paradoxes outside of the dream is a bad fucking idea.

And this guy doesn't like being mocked? Wonder how he'll take you not giving him your undivided attention. Be all casual to Boom while fighting "While you really shouldn't be fucking with time, if you do keep that crazy shit up, try to do something less paradoxical and grab Mom's soul after she died and let me just make her a new non-crazy body in the present. My Boss should have no problem putting her soul in it."

>>296275
We only cured him of a small part of his insanity to make sure he was no longer running on infinite lives. Also, we boosted his brain to make up for any loss of power.
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No. 296303 ID: cc1e52

>>296275
>Didn't we just heal his mental defects? He shouldn't have Dream powers anymore.

Bang may think that, but he's probably wrong. Heroic souls of Leatherface's level aren't using their brains as the primary thinking engine any more, they're using their souls. The patterns of thought that the soul uses have been imprinted on it by long exposure to the defective brain, and no longer depend on the brain - as demonstrated by the Mental SoulDreamers that could still Dream after they lost their body. Perhaps, if for some reason Leatherface didn't "heal" his brain back to insanity his soul might adapt back to match over the years, but it's not instantaneous, as shown by the fact that souls still think as they did in life after experiencing the changes that happen in the brain as it's starved of oxygen when they're killed.

Given Bang's disability, and the fact that he's unique at his weightclass for still thinking with his physical brain, it would be understandable for him to make this mistake - if Boom hadn't just explained it to him moments earlier. Instead, it's pants on head retarded.

Bang has to assume that his healing of Leatherface's brain has had precisely no effect, as there's no good reason for it to have done so.
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No. 296316 ID: 0fb2ef

>>296240
>>296265

This is Not Bang Like. This is Not Magnum Like. We will not do it.

>>296244
>>296245
>Bear Hands Covered in Chainsaw Bones and Cancer Guns
I'm gonna say 'yes' for this.

>>296275
>>296226
And this, defensively.

As for mocking him, mmhm. Yep, we're gonna mock him. 'Of course I'm mocking you, because I'm gonna maul you up with my BEAR HANDS! I hope the pain won't be UNBEARABLE! It's gonna be a GRIZZLY SITUATION!'
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No. 296328 ID: 5b95eb

cancer

cancer everywhere
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No. 296362 ID: a6ba65

>>296275
>I don't really have any idea how to do this, but Mordre commented that the spheregod he fought had something similar to his Amaranthine Annihilator. Bang should be able to make something like that too.

TMI (I think?) suggested something for this, I'm just embroidering on it. Grow bones outside your body that soak up sunlight like a flower via tapetum lucinda-backed photosensitive cells, kinda like rods and cones work in the eyes to take in light and send signals up the optic nerve to the brain. Or maybe some kind of biological crystalline structure, I dunno.

Angle it so the light bounces down it not unlike an old-timey periscope. You'll probably get some bleed-off in the form of refracted light, but it would still suck up a lot of sunlight.

Collect it inside your body and then focus it through a lens-like organ in your chest.

Sunlight becomes a coherent laser.

>>296280
Disturbingly plausible.
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No. 296458 ID: 903f16

>>296226
I'm liking most of this, not too certain about the counterattack though. I guess we could try to invade him like a virus, but it seems more feasible to attack him with one or some other pathogen. I'm uncertain if Bang is skilled enough to produce one on the fly, but if we can't there may be a work around for us. The keys to long lived specific specific immunity are memory B cells and memory T cells. These cells are the ones that after being exposed to an invader let us mount a faster and stronger immune response to it the next time we are exposed. I figure there may be a way to reverse engineer specific diseases that Bang has taken in by using these cells. What with Bang's extensive travelling and tendency to find himself in situations where he is surrounded by the dead or needs to consume them that he has encountered countless pathogens. I doubt with his healing he's every been sick, but he probably hasn't had the ability to prevent all harmful agents from entering his body until recently. So once we pick a handful of dangerous blood borne diseases and recreate them in our blood we could spray him down with them using aforementioned sea cucumber and pistol shrimp combination, maybe mixing in a bit of whale blowhole for kicks.

Now that's just one option, I'm thinking we could try to make a secondary circulatory system to house a supply of highly conductive blood. This blood, or at least what is a close approximation to blood, will be used in tandem with our electricity attacks to fry this bastard. For actual blood cells we can use either hemocyanin, a copper based hemoglobin analogue used by horseshoe crabs and some other species of arthropods, or regular hemoglobin that has been tweaked to include far more copper than it has naturally. Both of these have their perks, like for instance hemocyanin in certain sea snails has shown to have an immunotherapeutic effects against certain types of cancers, which for Bang would be a fucking huge plus. If we use hemoglobin though it will appear to anyone but highly trained Blood/Magnetomancers, this wouldn't be the case with hemocyanin as it's blue when oxygenated. The actual hematocrit, the portion of blood that consists of red blood cells, is going to be even smaller proportionately to the plasma than normal as the hemocrit is one of the most electrically resistant parts of the blood where plasma is one of the least. The plasma itself should contain a high concentration of electrolytes to amp up the conductivity even more. We can finish it off by adding Sodium Chloride, Calcium Chloride, or a Sodium Potassium alloy, to suspend in the plasma. Do keep in mind that if we both heat the Sodium Potassium alloy it might react violently with air, might be a good thing as long as we could keep it from doing so while inside it. The attack in this case would also involve spurting it out of us and onto him or just letting him get some blood of Bang's blood on him and catching him off guard.

If either of these work I would recommend sharing the tricks with Keddic, he is the Blood magic guy after all.
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No. 296461 ID: 903f16

>>296458
Oh and creating the elements/metals mentioned shouldn't be too hard, Bang has shown the ability to internally generate such things before.
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No. 296672 ID: b8fa5a

You're a master curiomencer with complete, all-encompassing knowledge of the human body. Muscles can only move in so many way and you know all of them !
Also you can SEE magic, meaning that you can see you opponent's spell matrix's patterns!

Start using those facts to your advantage and devote some of your mental processing power toward predicting your opponent's moves.

AWESOMENESS BY ANALYSIS !
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No. 296813 ID: a76809

>>296672
As expected, that Chronomancy, when not used defensively to stay safe from environmental hazards (Like he had to when I first met him while travelling at mach 3) is a pain-blows that you quite literally have no time to react to? Doesn't matter how fast you can think then.

Sadly enough for him, he made the laughable choice of reverting to realtime-It takes me a twentieth of a second to recall my full body imaging of Leatherface, the mapping of every cell I gained when I first trapped him compared against what my heavily augmented eyes and extrasensory perceptions grant. I match electrical signals of muscle contractions, the energy emitted by firing neurons, the heat flowing from his body, the pressure changes as wind currents move around him, the glow of his magics.

I compare the perfectly detailed static image of function with the real-time example, tweak the few discrepancies in the neural net (I hadn't fully predicted the changes in how he chemically approaches thought) with a thorough, invasive care, meticulously rechecking numbers and conversions, equations and data.

One tenth of a second after he appeared before me, I know Leatherface's movements and mannerisms better than he does, cutting right past all that perceptual bias deception that can cloud up such matters. My eyes still scrambling as they attempt to resolve the wild mass of Tractomancy about my foe's fists into something meaningful, I do something that, if Leatherface knew me, he would claim was out of character.

I go for subtle.
>What?
I rock back and to the side, a leg lifting as I kick off an instantanously hardened patch of air, clipping the inside of Leatherface's right knee-which while largely functional, has sustained long-healed injuries that ever so slightly impair it. Right into the most grievous of the persistant damage, deep into the join, I fire a barrage of Chaos-fueled cancer.

Explosions rip their way out of the knee as in conjunction with my lean his fell fist misses my face by 1.83 centimeters.

Pain tightening his eyes, I see him glow purple-

I am flying back through the air as only an upper torso, innards trailing in my wake as I see my legs still standing before Leatherface-who's knee is once more completely unharmed.

...Dream magic....

I dump a third of the Forever Rising Scarf's energy into a massive healing burst, rebuilding my heavily modified form before I make landfall-

>>296218
>>296226
"Pfft, that all you got? No wonder I mock you-WIMP!"

I kick off the air, diving straight toward my foe-

And lower my trajectory mid-approach, too late for him to alter whatever plans he brewed as counter-and instead of facing him head on, I rise up sinuously from the ground, right fist clenched as I snag my lost legs with my left, re-absorbing the mass and funneling it all to the blow I build.

A fist only marginally smaller than Oggroth's rises like a meteor in reverse as I gleefully shout up a sporadically made-up attack name.

"MAGNUM BIG UPS!!"

I feel ribs creak, but not break-I feel muscle bruise, but not rupture. I feel skin compress-but not tear. I hurt him, but hitting him hard enough to bust open a seige wall doesn't do much but send him flying skyward into the starry night sky-

As I switch to biological rocket propulsion, peroxide jets hurling me even higher-

And I decide how to best show that bit of 'subtlety' was completely out of character-if it still officially happened, which I am not at all sure about.
>You are going to GENESIS!?
Damn right, watch this shit!

My legs fuse together, bone to bone, as I reshape my multilayered nanotube carbon mesh lining to my exoskeleton, a massive, hook-fanged spike taking the place of my lower body as I convert my arms into twin auxihiliary thrusters to join the forested mass already sticking out of my back. Now little more than an immovable spike with a great deal of rockets blued to it, the REST of my all-magic consuming spell equation hits home-several hundred million lines of it all at once.

I stop counting multiples of the sound barrier as reference for my relative velocity around ten-it seems arbitrary at that point.

Impact happens before words can be uttered-

Now I am past Leatherface once more in my Chaos Form-with no recollection of switching back. A quick tally finds my magic restored as I turn about to see a completely unharmed Leatherface above me, sweat already pouring from his skin-

>>296275
Hey, perfect-If I'm shooting straight up, all the excess power will bleed off without frying the townsfolk-HOORAY MINIMAL COLLATERAL DAMAGE WHILE MAINTAINING MAXIMUM AWESOMENESS!
>You found a third of the spell set needed to make organic directed energy weaponry-you plan to fill that gap in the heat of battle?
That's just how I roll.

With my un-Genesis'd magic power at my disposal, I perform a SECOND Genesis-this time focused on solely my torso, building new organs, rearranging my existent systems-

In half a second, I spend all my magic to create something wholly unlike Mordre's eye-lasers. I create a semi-permeable lens, heavily based off the structure of the human eye, massive shielding and directing forces around an internal cavity-
>Where is your power source? You just used up your magic, regen won't have much this soon
I am the power source.

Running a demo of my still-percolating energy-to-matter equation in reverse I shoot a tiny batch of madly mutating, Chaos-infused Cancer at my foe-

Just as gravity's weight multiplies by a factor of ten-thousand and I am pulled earthward at a decidedly DIFFERENT terminal velocity.

Pressure sensing notes nearby buildings to collapse on my impact-I note this AFTER having sunk twenty feet into the ground by sheer dint of weight-

Why my eyes show me Leatherface, wrapped in some sort of Tractomantic blanket, directing the flood of raw, unbound power around and away from him, surviving in the heart of the short-lived sun I built around him.

>>296362
...Oh, I had a REALLY good idea for daytime fights... hope I remember that later.
>Mind focusing on not being crushed to death?
What my bones-
>Yes your bones are fine-but what about the building weight of passive calculation you have to do to keep your ORGANS intact?
...Point.

Okay. So, he can either flat out stop time or travel through it to mess with events-still having trouble figuring out the mechanics since I only see the results, not the methods-he can exert IMMENSE arcane Gravimantic forces-seriously, it'll take me AT LEAST two seconds to get out of the ground-and he can make a Tractomantic field around his body (or bodyparts) that allows him to relocate anything it touches.

Oh, and he can at any time use Dream magic to reset how each of his three branches of magic works.

On the plus side, the fatigue he is slowly building from constant heavy magic use does NOT seem to be going away.

Pops is watching, I can FEEL it....






So how do I kick this up a notch and beat this guy?-with practically no magic?
>[Bang is still not quite at 'custom diseases on the fly' levels of re-write. You can make cancer, but beyond that...]
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No. 296818 ID: f88f02

Bang, Chronomancers and Dreamers have a limit. Every time they rewrite shit, they run a risk of summoning that thing what forced your mother into Cerebral Zenith - a dreameater. Consider them like, uh, police of time, only a lot meaner.

Now, what you have to do is slip in an attack that seems harmless at first, so he doesn't redact it - then make a bunch of progressively harmful attacks based on that one, and here's the important part, that would literally be impossible without the first, and unavoidable without redacting the first.. This presents him with two options: Take the hits, or redact the first one, resulting in PARADOX. Paradox means dreameaters. Dreameaters eat him alive. He knows that. He won't do it.

I've given you the idea, run with it. You're a smart guy, make it work!
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No. 296838 ID: a6ba65

Well, while we're stuck in a hole and out of sight, we could try out the subtlety thing again.

Cover yourself - including scarf, sash and mask - with a layer of transparent skin. Layer chromatophores underneath it; xanthophores, erythrophores and iridophores.

You just gave yourself camouflage like a chameleon. The gravity can still get you, and his tractomancy is mostly defensive, but it should be harder to chronomantically slap you in the face when he can't find you.

Another trick we might try is to give yourself some sporophytes/hydrophobins to create and expel spore clouds like a puffball mushroom. Rarely poisonous on its own (though you could pick a poisonous one, like black mold), these clouds of spores (Bangspores) can do one fun thing; a single spark in the midst of a sufficiently dense cloud will create a dust explosion.
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No. 296842 ID: 903f16

>>296813
>[Bang is still not quite at 'custom diseases on the fly' levels of re-write. You can make cancer, but beyond that...]
Eh I'm not looking for custom diseases, just copies of what Bang has already encountered. It should all be in the white blood, he just needs to work backwards from what they can tell him. If that's also out of reach let's just make it a goal to talk to Keddic more to get enough lessons in working white blood to do it our self and/or pass the idea on to him to see what he can do.
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No. 296924 ID: d4f98d

>>296818
Remember: We don't talk to Bang directly.
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No. 296928 ID: 6f49d8

>>296818
> unavoidable without redacting the first.
If he could make unavoidable attacks on Leatherface, hd wouldn't be in so much trouble.

Bang faces a Chronomancer Dreamer, who can see his potential actions before he even thinks of them and then Redact them even as they occur, thus incurring no paradox. To beat him, Bang needs an attack that Leatherface cannot perceive that will kill him fast enough that he cannot react. Unfortunately, even the souls of disembodied Dreamers can Dream, and Bang does not know Soul Magic.

Bang can control the formation of DNA well enough to make DNA computers and to use it as a nanomachine. He should design a custom DNA program that includes DNA harvested from the viruses in the air around him. The DNA should also code for proteins that are very strong depressants. The program should contain a clock, and only switch to produce the depressants after a suitable interval.

Then, Bang can shed the DNA program, coated in a protein protective layer, so that Leatherface breathes it in. Bang should then stay on the defensive, until the virus triggers. The intention is to tip Learherface into suicidal depression or apathy, so that he does not have the will to use hid SoulDreaming to save him.
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No. 296959 ID: b8fa5a

An airborne agent could work, yes. But unfortunately, Bang is currently out of mana !
The first order of business should be to find some way to replenish his magic energy, ASAP.

Bang, what exactly are your limits when it come to your "Mater to Magic" abilities ? Could you, for example, synthesize pure carbon into magic ? What about making magic out of the bacteria and virus you constantly inhale with the air ?
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No. 296988 ID: b8fa5a

Otherwise, call up Burduko and ask him to get you some meat as an alternative.
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No. 297030 ID: d3dfb8

>>296988
>Meat
Have him bring you several tonnes worth of varying plant life. If you can figure out how Curatomancy and Pomumancy interact as one larger whole you could incorporate plant life into your physiology.
Start with photosynthesis, to draw energy from sunlight.
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No. 297064 ID: 63fc62

>>296813
Why not eat the ground? It's full of nutrients and you DO possess the ability to filter said nutrients from the useless stuff. Hell, you could just eat your own cancer- Just make sure you murder your tastebuds beforehand.

Also, go for a grapple- The more points of contact you have with him, the harder it will be to force teleport you away. Eventually you will be able to overcome him by shredding the fuck out of his body, forcing him to use his Zenith.
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No. 297067 ID: b8fa5a

Actually, isn't Mordre's Sphere entirely made out of mana saturated organic matter ? Maybe it could do.
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No. 297076 ID: d5bdbf

>So how do I kick this up a notch and beat this guy?-with practically no magic?
I think I've got an idea that just might work, similar to this one:

>>296818
>Now, what you have to do is slip in an attack that seems harmless at first, so he doesn't redact it - then make a bunch of progressively harmful attacks based on that one

As was noted, fighting a Chronomancer Dreamer seems to be hard because he has very fine control over his redactions. The trick isn't to speed up the rate at which you kill, in this case - it's to slow it down. Basically, start launching thousands of tiny, slightly different attacks. Punches, bone spears, cancer shots, whatever can be done cheaply and in large quantities. However, unlike the usual wide-area attacks, do not going for overwhelming force this time. Intersperse Cancer Attacks in with everything else, trying to disguise them as other more mundane strikes. Your natural tendency is to speed your cancers up as much as possible, to do as much damage as quickly as possible. That won't work - the cancers need to be slowed down. They need to be mixed in with thousands of other strikes, nicks, punctures and so on, so that Leatherface simply can't tell the difference between which ones to redact and which ones to ignore. Fill the battlefield with shrapnel using your extreme mobility and adaptable strikes, and eventually Leatherface will have only one choice, once he realizes you've filled him with slow-acting poison: die horribly, or redact every single hit he took over the course of your massive blitz. That ought to be nothing short of brutal on his willpower.

I'm... not sure if this second idea would work (I may just be too tired to see the holes in it), but... For some added mind-screw, Bang could use some special slow-cancer in his assault tailored to recreate the flaws in Leatherface's brain that were previously cured. Then, when Leatherface redacts everything, he'll actually end up weakening himself back to normal. We might end up catching him in a Malicious Time Loop of sorts, wherein he must let you attack in order to have the power to redact your attack. He needed that power to redact himself back to the way he was before your attack began - if he changes time so that your curative strikes never happened, then he would lack the power to do his redaction, a redaction he used in a future he has made impossible to achieve. A redaction that he just did, and therefore cannot undo. Paradox. I think.

(Like how Ulzrick redacted the very injury which caused him to contact the collective. Bang wouldn't know of Ulzrick's ordeal, obviously, but that's the gist of it: tricking Leatherface into redacting the very thing that gave him the power to let him redact the future he just lived through. Like I said, I can't quite tell if this idea has holes in it, at the moment. If it won't work, at least the basic slow-cancer assault should.)
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No. 297081 ID: a76809

>>296838
>...There is something you could try, resuming that mental train of 'subtle' that would have a low energy cost-a thin membrane of transparent skin, with
Yeah, chromatophores, all those fun light show cells-and hiding just doesn't suit me.

>>296959
In my subterranean lounge-location, idly amongst the sand and feeling like I weigh-twelve thousand three hundred fifty two kilograms plus change, I consider my breathing-and the organic mass in the air, microbes, pollen-all potentially mine. I know how to convert matter to energy, having done it before-even supplementing my magic organs and Scarf it won't give me the regeneration I want-
>Why are you being so pessimistic when you know full well that with this you can now fully recharge in twenty seconds?
Not fast enough-look.

Up above Leatherface, untouched by gravities clutches, flickers and shimmers in the air like a mirage, glowing purple as he does-before the pressure atop me vanishes-

Even as wormholes begin to open around me, each paired with a Gravimantic pull-great, he switched his magic. I trace the spellglow back to Leatherface, derive theories about the spell matrices and their function, and add the data to my growing battle observation compendium-while I turn to the more central point. I glance around the sides of the suddenly collapsing sandy tomb I lay within-and in a staccato burst of tundercalps, I leaper my way across seven air platforms-and convert my left arm into energy to fuel the sudden escape-
>BANG!
Phohn have Burduko bring me as much fresh meat as possible and just scatter it about the combat area? I need a situational pick me up.
It shall be done-Administrator Mordre looks forward to your full report-assuming he is finished with his own pursuit
He'll get it-

I reach groundlevel, chased by revenous portals that draw sand and anything else at hand into their cavernous maws-to be met with a shower of meat, a blurred ball of wind in the night sky, filled with a magic I easily recognize as Burduko's. While Leatherface is distracted by the absurdity of it, I manage to distend jaw and belly and scarf down forty pounds of haunch to start converting into more energy. I'm halfwy done when he recovers.

I've gone from full empty, sans limb to fully formed with a fifth of a Scarf worth of charge. I dash about the field, lathing onto and consuming any prize I get near, supplementing my tri0layered passive regeneration-even as I check my prior data against leatherface's new attack pattern. Magic changes, sure-but the mind governing it does not. Still the same trouble with erratic movements.

I prepare my arm for explosive growth and without warning or hesitation dive straight towards the Belt-holder, a twenty foot long jab lashing out as a supersonic flicker-

For once Leatherface does get hit-but his expression bore no shock-he willfully chose to take a hit he could not see coming? Perhaps he really can see the future, it explains his pre-emptive approach to temporal manipulation. Heh, too bad for him, looks like he can't see THAT far into the future.

Like to see those Chaos infested possibility cells left atop his skin going wild as they eat away his heart in the now too distant future-nineteen seconds and counting.

I go from having been untouched to having sustained a barrage of thousands of multi-ton blows, body battered, broken, and two feet into the ground from sheer temporal recoil-great, his Chronomancy is now more offense oriented. ...I don't think I have enough magic to sustain surviving his attentions that long.....

But pops doesn't need to know this-OBVIOUSLY I am just casually toying with my foe.





Dillemma: Seek out meet and keep soaking up what damage Leatherface can kick out until my little heart bomb goes off, or should I come up with another plan?
When the Chaos infested cells reach the heart and do their work, how should I attack to capitalize on the created opening?
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No. 297084 ID: a5dbe5

>Like to see those Chaos infested possibility cells left atop his skin going wild as they eat away his heart in the now too distant future-nineteen seconds and counting.

Excellent. That's one way to beat him. Make him set a save state that dooooooms him.
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No. 297108 ID: a6ba65

>>297076
I like. Soaking blows isn't very Bang. Attacking so ferociously that Leatherface has to redirect his magic to his Tractomancy defense? Much better.

In addition, your offensive cancer is basically throwing malignant cells at him, yes? So instead, alternate your cancer with a new type; wrap a cell membrane shell around empty cytoplasm. It'll look like you're firing cancer as usual, but they're basically shooting blanks. Not having to form nucleotides, organelles, ribosomes or any of that other tiny cellular stuff, it should prove to be significantly less energy-intensive.

Unless the opponent has Curatiomancy of his own or primo sensing capabilities, Leatherface shouldn't be able to tell the difference and be forced to block, dodge or redact all of them, treating them as though they were all threats.
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No. 297130 ID: cc1e52
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297130

>>297081
As the possibility cells travel inwards within Leatherface, have them differentiate into a couple of different types, with different functions. One of these should produce a cocktail of depressants, benzodiazepine and dextromethorphan amongst them. This should reduce his ability to focus on using his magic.

Another kind of possibility cell should infiltrate Leatherface's brain, and map his memories as he uses magic, showing you how he does it. When the heart bomb goes off, these possibility cells should go into a super-growth stage, using capabilities adapted from white blood cells to kill and replace Leatherface's brain cells. The replacement cells should be functionally identical to their predecessors, but you should own them.

As this brain trawl proceeds, you should build a parallel copy of his brain within your chest, producing a copy of him that is completely at your mercy, and can be disassembled to extract his skills and memory later.
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No. 297149 ID: d3dfb8

>Running a demo of my still-percolating energy-to-matter equation in reverse
Ok, so you can turn matter directly into energy. I don't know why you are still using your bodies natural inbuilt funtions and only processing organic matter. Try converting the ground into energy.
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No. 297193 ID: 63fc62

>>297081
MORE TAUNTING-

"I'm sorry, CLEARLY I've mistaken a fight to the death with the holder of the belt of champions with a free trip to a massage parlor. You do realize you'll end up overexerting yourself before managing to kill me, right? Fuck, I should've let pops take care of you if this was all that you could do."

Take in all the organic matter you'd need to fuel a genesis but don't use it until the heart bomb blows- Reform and go to town on him.
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No. 297200 ID: a6ba65

Oh, and if you think you can sneak it past his defenses, try delivering a punch- and then while in contact with him, insert your own electrical signals into him, like you do when you harden the air. With practice you'll be able to actually control a person's body by hijacking the electrical signals to and from the brain, but for now just shove ignimancy in there and disrupt the electrical synapses to things he takes for granted, like his reflexes.

He'll still be able to use his chemical synapses, but they're slower and he'll have to think to activate those, which might slow him down somewhat.
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No. 297305 ID: a76809

>>297076
>>297108
I decide to add another layer to my attack-and act appropriately. I think of the myriad of paralytic neurotoxins I have encountered, reloading the hollowed pits in my hand with this vitriolic melange even as I dart forward, slogging through the hail of blows even as my scarf depletes faster than it refills, so fierce the internal damage. Pressed under the weight of blows that retroactively spring into being in an unending avalanche, I'm slowed to subsonic speeds-which suits me just fine. It gives Leatherface plenty of time to see my punches coming-and associate them with that early tap.

My trap springs shut-with sixteen seconds left until total contamination, my first 'light' blow rams home-and leaves an oh-so-small amount of poison on impact, complete with numbing agents to delay the infected's notice. I get hit another three thousand two hundred eighty times, scarf drained to below a tenth by the time I land ten more hits-all kept minor enough Leatherface does not waste energy redacting them away-instead creating more of those portals, hungrily chasing me down-

stuffing a haunch of ham down my throat, I lash out, a fist flying at a portal-as I glue together the constituent particles of the air itself and punch the mass physically containing the spell manifestation-cracks appear to spread through the air from pressure differentials as I drop my control-

And the wild changes in the space the spell occupies causes the working to fizzle and die.
>You had
Absolutely no way of knowing that would work-yes I know, but it stood to reason-spells of all sorts involve the concept of anchoring, why would the removal of an anchor NOT disrupt the spell? Also now I get to punch spells into pieces-
>You are still nearly out of power with seven seconds to go.

>>297130
>>297193
With one last punch-this one containing a generated set of Possibility cells on a mission to perform some neural modification, delivered almost half-heartedly, I laugh, even amidst the deluge of remembered blows that keep me bound to the ground as I break another encroaching portal with a well-placed fist.

"I'm sorry, CLEARLY I've mistaken a fight to the death with the holder of the belt of champions with a free trip to a massage parlor. You do realize you'll end up overexerting yourself before managing to kill me, right? Fuck, I should've let pops take care of you if this was all that you could do."

As I finish, three things begin to happen that forstall Leatherface's response:
-The poison I injected him with is taking effect, radically skewing all his nervous transmission and bringing about full-body paralysis.
-The Possibility cells engender chemicals I have learned to associate with deppressive moods in massive amounts within Leatherface.
-The Possibility cells have fully infested his heart-

And so it is while he reels with a body that does not respond and an emotional state as suicidal as chemically possible that I trigger my trap and blow his heart to pieces within his own body.

And as he reels from that-

"MAGNUM PUNCH!"

I put a fist through his face.

Headless, heartless, forcibly chemically depressed and in total nervous shutdown, Leatherface's body falls to the ground-

And Boom says nothing, not even a single congratulatory word.




What should I do?
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No. 297308 ID: 63fc62

>>297305
You are not done yet. Whatever you need to do to get back up to full power, I suggest you do it NOW. Boom runs on death belief, if anyone could say without a doubt that Leatherface is dead it would be him. Three guesses why he's not saying anything-
DING DING DING:
HE'S STILL ALIVE

Not only that, you need to be prepared to fight the belt itself:
>the belt can only be taken from a willing host, or from a dead host.
Like the masks, the belt of champions has some form of life(artificial or otherwise) grafted to it and obviously plans to test the man who would be it's new host. I'd like to be at full strength when we put the thing on.
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No. 297310 ID: d3dfb8

>>297308
This.
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No. 297312 ID: cc1e52

His soul is still here, and still capable of Dreaming.

You can't effect souls, but Mordre can. Ask Burduko to bring Rutgar here to capture and store it for later consumption.
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No. 297329 ID: 5b95eb

Pretty sure he's dead... for the moment. As someone that's definitely a heroic, his soul could possibly manifest and dream-bullshit up an alternate Leatherface. I suggest Phohning for Rutgur to store the soul, and going for the belt.

[Honestly though, I'm rather wary of consuming someone that uses Dream as Mordre. For one, it will diminish our influence, Second, Leatherface's ability wouldn't really work with Mordre, as he's unique.]
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No. 297347 ID: 81f32a

Might as well consume his flesh. If he isn't dead yet, he will have to use much mire power to redact himself if there is no body left and as a bonus you will also recharge yourself.

>>297312
Second.

>>297329
Making Mordre able to use Dream Magic will make him similar to Ulzrik, as in, he will be able to detect and hear us (Chaos Motes)?

...
Yeah, that doesn't really sound good... and I was heavily in favor of making him eat Dreamers.
..
But, either way, Mordre is dealing/has dealt with the Word Mage and he will/should have consumed her (using PS so that she doesn't escape again)... He would get SoulDreaming either way. Unless he destroys the soul outright.

Hmm... but by eating the Dreamers, Mordre doesn't become insane/crippled himself, he just gets the powers. Maybe that means he will not hear us?
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No. 297390 ID: cc1e52

Leatherface's body may be dying, but his soul can still act. Still, the destruction of his brain may well send his soul into shock.

Take this chance, both to learn more about SoulDreaming so you can help out your buddy Ulzrick, and to win the battle. Thrust your hand into the ruins of Leatherface's head, and meld your hand with it. His body is unoccupied, so assert Ownership over it, simultaneously healing it and making it a literal extension of your own. As his brain regrows, implant imperatives of obedience and surrender in it. Then, you can have him surrender his belt. It will be interesting to see how the conflict between his brain and soul is resolved, and may teach you something to guide your development as the seat of your mind moves from body to soul.
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No. 297391 ID: a5dbe5

>>297390
YES
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No. 297395 ID: a6ba65

Look at Boom. "So? What's my score, judge?"

I was under the impression Boom needed the belt for some reason relating to his present-past escapades. A new challenger approaches?

Either way: The winner, and new champion! You deserve a new title for this one. Stomper of Stooges? Destroyer of Dreamers? Crusher of Champions?
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No. 297399 ID: 5b95eb

>>297390
-1
This is really evil, I think, and not cool.
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No. 297400 ID: 059fc4

>>297390
This sounds more like somthing Mordre would do if he/it thought he/it could get away with it.

Not really bangish behaviour, so -1 vote
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No. 297404 ID: a7c49b

>>297390
Leatherface is a bad guy, he deserves what he gets.
+1 vote.
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No. 297406 ID: 75950c

>>297390
This sounds pretty cool, but I would rather Mordre just consume Leatherface's soul and gain his powers.

If Rutgar can't store Leatherface's soul, just have Burduko bring Mordre's Soul Grave here for a bit.
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No. 297407 ID: 0fb2ef

>>297399
I have to agree with this, yeah. It's also not 'Bang' enough. Make a brain obey us? That's so not awesome.

>>297395
Do this, instead, while putting Leatherface into BANG SLEEPER which will be a sleeperwhole, filled with awesome, cancer, and your body pinning his in every way possible.
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No. 297411 ID: cc1e52

>>297406
The best thing is that Bang can assimilate Leatherface's body and Mordre can eat his soul.

Also, we've not won yet - and we have no other immediate suggestions on the table to prevent Leatherface taking us out from beyond the grave, so to speak.

Also, look at my post in the Disc thread about what this may be able to teach us.
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No. 297417 ID: 0b672b

>>297390
+1, it's worth a try. After all, Bang already started messing with his brain.
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No. 297418 ID: b527fb

>What should I do?

Make sure Leatherface is really dead. Try removing the Belt to test that, I suppose. Then... calm down a bit, hard as it may be. I don't think Dad is hugely impressed by the usual manic intensity your operate under. He seems like a pretty grounded guy.

Also, NO to eating/enslaving Leatherface. That's kind of a horrible thing to do. Even worse, Nagging Wife will probably cuss you out for it.

It doesn't matter if Leatherface comes back at some point. You're The Strongest once you have the belt, so who cares if he revives? He's a pretty cool guy to spar with, isn't he? Why try to kill all your enemies now when you can leave them around so they can come back and fight you some more later? Some of them even become pals. It's the Mordre Method, and it's super-effective.

>And Boom says nothing, not even a single congratulatory word.

"... Are you you pissed at me because I called you crazy? Look, I'd like to have Mom around too, but... I'm pretty sure I would NOT be me anymore if she were around for... well, everything. I don't want to stop existing, and I dunno but I think preventing your kids' nonexistence is what most Moms want too. Sure, I'd like it if she could- wait, for that matter, how would you even enjoy the new history you made? You could kill your past self and take his place, but that's weird and a paradox or something, or you could remain out of continuity and keep watch over your happy family that you'll never get to be a part of I guess, which sucks and doesn't make changing time worth it AT ALL, I mean I know I'd be kinda pissed that someone was floating around being miserable so I could be happy or something. And if you erase yourself by changing your past then you'll never know if you succeeded and you could be making a time loop or making things worse and you'd never even know. So... why? I'm just not getting it, okay? You've probably thought about it lot, but I'm still not seeing anything that makes it workable, so... why?"
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No. 297430 ID: 81f32a

>>297390
>>297411

Hey, if it works lets try it. I'm for it.

But keep all other plans close by if it doesn't work and recharge fully first.
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No. 297440 ID: 617ffd

Maybe invoking Burduko's assistance was beyond the rules for a belt match or something?

Can you take your curatiomancy one step further and cut his soul off from the dream? Like heal the wound in the world that lets Leatherface drain health from other alternate realities?
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No. 297559 ID: cf5146

May as well just ask Mordre if he would be interested in the soul of a heroic level Chronomancer/Tractomancer. It's not like Phohn-ing him will cost anything.
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No. 297639 ID: a76809
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297639

>>297308
Gee, I WONDER WHAT IT COULD MEAN, that the guy with a specialty in Death is not clapping, applauding my victory-why, it's almost like my foe is still alive.
>Someday you will drown in all your sarcasm

>>297329
>>297347
>>297390
Well.... I can see the electrical signals entering his body despite the lack of a brain to guide his central nervous system-and the signals are definitely NOT generated in his spinal column. There is a clear attempt at regeneration-which runs into two problems: The complete lack of a physical seat of thought, and the genetic encoding that erased any history of some of his mental impairment. As it is.... hey....
>What?
He's... in his attempts to make his body able to recover, he is trying RANDOM spell equations to bridge the gap.
>And?
Oh not much, just random=Chaos, so he's suffusing his body with Chaos for me, which means I can do more overt body manipulations without risk of him blowing up from a Chaos/Order collision-which means he is my bitch.

I let static electricity dance about my fingers as I pour some of my depleted magic into 'aiding' Leatherface's regeneration-

Except the head and heart I help him make are not at all like his old ones, even if his body is now convinced that is how they always were. Unseeing eyes fully capable of sight dimly open-a refurbished mouth hangs slack with a steady stream of drool, and the few tensed muscles relax, and-
sniff
Right, ALL his muscles just relaxed.... and the electrical signals from thin air have stopped being received. Seems that making his body so divergent from its original form is giving his soul trouble syncing up with it.

The body before me topples to its side as I realize it is not breathing-I feel something snap within the Belt tied to my Scarf, and speak to dad as I hear him starting a slow clap.

>>297395
"So, what's my score, Judge?"
>[Boom]"Where to start-I'm not even going to score your ability to think on your feet or your reaction time-I assume you know why."
"Yeah, wouldn't be fair to everyone else-so?"
>[Boom]"I was going to rate your strength lower-but something must be said for being able to kill magic with a punch-so I suppose you are acceptably strong. As you were frequently supersonic, and were able to make sharp turns even at such a speed, I allow you are in fact a fast fighter. Best of all, your flexibility in combat approach is in need of a commendation-several of your choices were moves made up just for this fight, were they not?"
"You nailed it."
>[Boom]"Indeed. My complaints as to your fighting style are twofold-you still have not found, even with all your wondrous toys, some way of achieving comfortable fighting longevity-you were too reliant on external resupply of energy for my taste."
"Yeah, that one bothers me too-but given how fast I can use magic, its a bit of a brain tickler to solve."
>[Boom]"Even so. My last complaint was somewhat more circuitous-you adhered to your wild oath that you would learn to kill with healing and become a masterful warrior-and despite this, you found a way to run into the same problem Death Belief users have, in that you can either cripple yourself and fight a foe, or overwhelm them-and few foes fall in that sweet spot range of 'cataclysmic, neck-and-neck fights'. At any point you could have rewritten your foe's body-or so it seemed as an observer-"
"No that's accurate."
>[Boom]"Does that not leave a sour taste in your mouth? The awareness that at any time you COULD have cut the fight short, instead of 'playing along' as it were?"
"Yeah.... that really DOES bother me. Got any suggestions on how to fix that?"
>[Boom]"Let me know if you come up with a solution."
"...That's a no then."
>[Boom]"The problem is as pervasive for me as it is for you, I fear."
"So... what about the Belt, then? I thought you needed it for something related to your plan."
>[Boom]"More like I wanted it for a backup plan."
"So you'd use it if the massive reality re-writing time travelling escapade FAILED? You have to give me details.[/i]"
>[Boom]"Well, it's pretty simple-the Belt allows the persona of a Mask to physically manifest-I intended to force The First Mask to manifest, as in taking her mind it may have preserved Kaplooie's thoughts-starting to see why that was a backup?"
"Yeah, that's not even a sure thing assuming a perfectly optimistic approach. ...So, what do I have to do beyond putting this Belt on to make it manifest-"

I snap the Belt shut around my waist-

From the massive gilded buck doth explode a melange of sinew and blood, bone and skin, writhing and flowing, curving and wrapping until-

Before me stands a figure hauntingly familiar. A feminine figure, cast of the same creative biology as my Chaos Mode, slowly turning a bone-spur covered face my way-

As I feel the Red Eye emptier than it ever has been before.

>[???]"....Bang?"
>[Boom]"Well.... as interesting as that is, since I'd prefer to not kill my own son, that narrows my options back down to one. So-you have anything we need to do before the time travel trip?"
"Wait I can come?"
>[Boom]"I would say no-but I saw your rapid regeneration, I saw those crafted lifeforms you derived aid from-I think you could be sheltered from the weight of Time. What do you say?"





What does Bang say to his father inviting him to break time to bring back to life his mother?
[And what should he do with the braindead body of Leatherface?]
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No. 297640 ID: 5b95eb

Kick leatherface in the neck.

Don't fuck with time.

Hell, if you can swing it, use the belt to get you off the hook with the Masked Warriors, and then give it up to pops willingly.
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No. 297641 ID: a5dbe5

Congratulations, Bang, you can now fuck your mask.
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No. 297642 ID: d3dfb8

>>297637
Take body to Mordre.
Suggest to Boom that we enlist the aid of Mordre in this time traveling endeavor, as he's both exceptionally resourceful and surprisingly knowledgeable about things you wouldn't expect.
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No. 297643 ID: 46c430

>>297639
Leatherface is brain dead? ...Braindead dreamer... ...Wasn't that how Figment was made?

...

FUCKING DESTROY IT FIGHT IS OVER NO MORE RULES HAVE MORDRE ANNIHILATE IT DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT JUST MAKE IT NOT EXIST AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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No. 297646 ID: c1a7d2
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297646

Do it! Go on a most EXCELLENT adventure through time!
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No. 297649 ID: ab04d4

Go ahead- if you go back with Boom then you won't be affected by any chronological backlashes. You'd be already there, and time's effects won't go through a loop just to catch up with you, hopefully. So then you'd get to, what, live through the time up until the present again and get fuck-powerful in the process? Or do you just port back with your mom?

Either way this is too awesome not to do. Go for it.
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No. 297651 ID: a6ba65

Stare at Wifey. "Wow. This is cool. I mean, are you tapping into my skill, or is that the normal look for a manifesting mask, or did the Belt use my soul as a template for you...? And are you going to be using my magic to power any Chaos-mode transformations, or your own, or the Belt's, or what? We are gonna need to do SO MUCH EXPERIMENTING." Hey, now that she physically exists, maybe we can get Wifey's Cerebral Zenith damage healed. Hell, if we can do that, she could pretty much power up with an eternal Cerebral Zenith while we continually heal her shattering mind. It would be great.

And maybe she needs a new name now. How does 'Hi Kabang, welcome to the family' sound? It's better than 'Crash' or 'Kasplat', at least.

I wonder why Leatherface never made use of the Belt's function in their fight. And the way he bolted his mask to himself... it's almost like he was desperate not to let the mask go. There may be consequences. OH WELL! FUCK IT! That's the Magnum Bang way.

As for Leatherface... what template did you give him to regrow his head? Is this basically a new member of the Magnum family with Leatherface's soul?

We could give him to Mordre as a body I guess, but there must be something better to use him for.

Did Mordre ever mention to Bang Lenryt's timetravel shenanigans?

This is going to go totally wrong. I know it. But... damn it, we have to do it. Magnums, off on a whirlwind adventure! Best roadtrip ever. Maybe we should get Kapow (or Kablooie, or whatever the sister's name is) in on this, too.
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No. 297652 ID: 097e6e

>Red Eye of the Dynamo Manifests
...Huh. Assuming that the manifestation is an actual meat body, and that modifications to the meat body affects the Belief Construct that is the true existence of the Mask intellect, then Red Eye of the Dynamo can go into Cerebral Zenith all she cares to, as you can just revert her mind back to the save-state, which would be the state she currently is in at this moment probably.

...Well, likely only with memories up to this moment, but that's okay. Probably.

>Leatherface
Destroy it completely--initiate a Chaos/Order reaction (or get someone else, like Mordre, who can destroy it with a Chaos/Order reaction, to obliterate it), convert the body entirely into magical energy to refill the Scarf (the preferable method, since, if you are going with Boom, he will almost certainly entering a massive fight instantly), etc.

>Boom's offer
First, get massive amounts of magic stored: while you may be able to regenerate at ridiculous rates, you are, as Boom mentioned, still reliant on external sources, which is currently rather depleted. The energy gained from the braindead body may help somewhat, won't fill the Scarf up completely. Perhaps grow ridiculous amounts of the magic-generating organs that you copied from the Mordre's Sphere outside of your body, and then converting them back into magic once you have enough magic stored? And, unless Boom Restricted the Mask suit he made so that it can only assist him in traveling back to that time, perhaps he can assist by infusing some of the Mask Belief into your Scarf? And Red Eye should be able to help, probably.
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No. 297657 ID: ab04d4

>>297651
Leatherface devoured his own mask's psyche, remember? Maybe even by summoning it with the belt before killing and eating it, or something.
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No. 297660 ID: c1a7d2

Also, rewrite the remains of Leatherface into a cow so you and Boom can have a pre-adventure barbeque, without it technically being cannibalism. Then send the rest off to Mordre, regeneration means no food shortages back at the State!
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No. 297681 ID: f6360f

>>297639
>Before me stands a figure hauntingly familiar. A feminine figure, cast of the same creative biology as my Chaos Mode, slowly turning a bone-spur covered face my way-
Awesome. So awesome.
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No. 297688 ID: 5b95eb

>>297657
Did he devour the mask's psyche before or after he got the belt?
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No. 297715 ID: cc1e52

>>297643
No. Figment was made when a Dreamer took over the Dreameater that ate their soul, and repossessed their body afterwards.

On what to do with the body. This is a brain that may contain the spell equations for four special kinds of magic, immense experience at using them which may come in very handy to teach your friends, and a unique relationship with his mask. What you should do is map it down it down to the neuron as you disassemble it, trawling it for all the knowledge and skills contained within.

His body is likewise interesting. After the vast amount of regeneration it underwent, it must now we a mosaic of flesh formed from countless different Leatherfaces from different realities. You should also render this down, and study any subtle differences between each piece.

If it would not be harmful, after you have thoroughly studies it, you should absorb the protoplasmic remnants to recharge. An advantage to this, if your body is partially composed of countless Leatherfaces, erasure due to Paradaox will be less likely, as the erasure itself would inflict Paradox on the countless realities bits of your body come from.

Also, Leatherface's, the Skinner's, and the three Masked Warriors' souls are still here. Invite Mordre here to eat them, and then invite him on your little trip.

Also, before going on your little quest, you should apply your insight from before, and ask Mordre to perform the procedure to make you an organic soul grave, and then infuse you with some of the imprisoned souls of dead foes.
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No. 297716 ID: 04d1b3

>[Boom]"Well, it's pretty simple-the Belt allows the persona of a Mask to physically manifest-I intended to force The First Mask to manifest, as in taking her mind it may have preserved Kaplooie's thoughts-starting to see why that was a backup?"
Maybe that's part of why Leatherface devoured his mask's psyche; in doing so he became the mask, thus letting him manifest himself in reality, weird as that may seem. He could Lucid Dream himself into all sorts of awesomeness, pretend he wasn't taking injuries or anything, and the Belt would translate that into reality for him. Kind of a roundabout way of doing things, that is.

>What does Bang say to his father inviting him to break time to bring back to life his mother?
Gaaaah, time travel adventure?! I'm not sure how to feel about that! Is it removing your own free will if you go back in time and mess around with your own history? Pop's gonna do it anyway, so it's best to go and keep an eye on things, but on the other hand this is really confusing me now. I guess it's best to go with him? I suspect Bang's chaotic enough that Time and Continuity don't really stand a chance, though whether that's good or not... yeah.

Okay, recommendation for Bang here (well, his subconscious): See if you can get Mordre to quickly whip you up a Soul Jar or something, maybe one of Rutgur's coffin-carriers helpfully miniaturized (assuming he can part with them). Or just get Rutgur to come along, if there's no alternative. Even if this entire venture goes completely pear-shaped, there's a chance you could nab your Mom's SOUL before it vanishes, which sounds kind of creepy now that I think about it but whatever. Bring her back to the present and you'd have no trouble at all whipping up a new body for her with your crazy healing skills. Mordre may be able to help with that too, if necessary; he claims he's a just golem-crafter/tractomancer, but he always seems to know things about things. Many different things, about many... things. You might have to promise him a favor or something, but you know what? Totally worth it if it works.

Grabbing her disembodied soul seems like it would have relatively little impact on the timeline, compared to some alternatives, but it's still extreme enough to be a last resort. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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No. 297721 ID: 53859d

Go on the trip, you're not going to be able to stop Boom short of killing him, so the best course of action is to make sure you're able to mitigate the damage, and hopefully get this shit sorted out without fucking it up.

Make absofuckingloutely sure that you avoid Paradox like the plague. To that end, the plan of "Get your Mom's Soul, see about giving her a new body in the present, and get the fuck out" is your best course of action. You get your objective, without invalidating anything that happened beforehand, bringing the chance of Paradox to a minimum.

Most importantly, do NOT make contact with any of your prior selves, don't even let them see you if you can help it, there's no way that can end well.

In short, if this is going to be done, make sure you do it right, see?
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No. 297726 ID: cf5146

Doing that half-cocked would be a really stupid thing to do.

Contact Mordre, explain the situation to him and come up with as many fallback plan as possible with him and you father.

Having a third perspective, particularly Mordre's, could help you figure out things that you just hadn't even realized were problems to begin with.
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No. 297732 ID: 1854db

>>297721
Unfortunately the main problem is that she went INSANE and Boom had to kill her.

Unless we can figure out how to make her not-insane after we bring her soul into the future, we're fucked.

...wait. I have an idea. We could help her kill the Dreameater without going full mask-use-crazy, then tell her to FAKE being crazy so that Boom has to kill her. Also, Bang/Boom sets up something so that she doesn't actually die, and we bring her back to the future after her time in the past reaches its end.

Alternatively ask what Boom is going to do once he gets to the past- how's he going to avoid Paradox?
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No. 297738 ID: 53859d

>>297732
A valid point, and the very presence of a Dreameater there practically guarantees that this effort is going to draw him in (Since they eat Paradox up). The presence of the Dreameater is inevitable as a result of this (At least, if we go from the perspective that this is a closed time loop that's about to kick in--anything less would likely invalidate most of the setting from the cascading paradox spree--Bang would have no reason to go on his adventure, meaning that he'd have never met Mordre and company--which leads to a really large amount of things going horribly wrong without his assistants)

So yeah, Closed Time Loop probably--the goal is getting Momma Magnum sane and out of the way to some extent, and bringing that to the Present. At least this way has a decent chance of stopping this shit from happening again.
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No. 297740 ID: 0fb2ef

So! Bang, have you been practicing mimicking plants? Or, know of any animals that eat magic directly? Because, I think we could go for copying Photosynthesis and just started absorbing magic out of the air.

As for time travel? Oh god. Well…yeah, ok, we need to to keep Dad alive. See what he thinks about getting Sis to come with us, family bonding and steal Mom’s soul from Paradox-Death.
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No. 297776 ID: a6ba65

>>297738
We could try using the Belt to manifest Mom's mask before it goes full Cerebral Zenith, basically use Dad's backup plan.

The real problem as I see it is finding a way to kill the damned dream eater. No matter how badass Bang and Boom are, it's pretty much immune to standard magics. But we know it is possible for a Dreamer to fight off a Dreameater, Lenryt is going to teach Ulzrick how.

And here is Leatherface. Of course, if we give him back his regeneration (re-break his mind) so he can survive the trip back, and then we fail to kill the Dreameater, it'll probably eat Leatherface just like the Pure Lady's did.

And we'll have made things worse.

Just a thought.
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No. 297789 ID: cbd626

>>297646
hah, YES
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No. 297792 ID: 81f32a
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297792

>>297646
Don't you mean..... Boom and Bang EXCELLENT adventures???


>concerning Leatherface
Do not destroy him.
Better give him to Mordre so that he can eat him. If Mordre is busy right now, call Rutgur to store him. I think that if we leave the brain-dead body as it is, the soul will find a way to reclaim it.
If Mordre can't come to consume the souls of the 3 masked warriors and the fell mask leader, have Rutgur store them too.


>Concerning time-travel
Yes do it.
If Boom comments our sudden change of heart concerning major time-travel tell him now that you are invited things changed. We cannot let an awesome chance like this to slip by!

Storing Kapooie's soul in a "soul jar" will not work, as it will still have damaged mental state. We need to prevent her from going to Cerberal Zenith

>Red Eye
[Haha, now she can retreat with Ellenaym and GOSSIP]
Ask her how she is feeling.
How she likes her new body.
Then try to repair her mind from previous Cerberal Zenith usages with your healing.

>[Boom]"I would say no-but I saw your rapid regeneration, I saw those crafted lifeforms you derived aid from-I think you could be sheltered from the weight of Time. What do you say?"
>I saw those crafted lifeforms you derived aid from
Eh... I think Boom thinks that the Deep Spawn were made by Bang or at least serve him. I wouldn't blame him for jumping to this conclusion but I think we should clarify that those are Mordre's Deep Spawn.

I think it is good idea to Mordre to help out or give advice.
Unless he is busy..
ACTUALLY who says that we need to act right now?
Boom has been preparing for decades, I'm sure he can wait a day or two.
If he does, it makes things so much easier:
First, we need to finish what we had initially come for: go back to Muscle Coliseum. Show them that you are now the Champion, ask Boom to show them the Skinner's mask so that they know Ulzrick killed him.
Mordre will be ready with dealing with the Word mage and will have consumed her soul (using PS so that she doesn't escape again). He will be able to consume Leatherface and get his Chronomancy powers and seeing how things play out, Mordre can back in time with them or give them crucial advice concerning Time-travel.
Mordre also has Trollzaru's "Journal", which holds chronomancy secrets. Boom might be able to use it, or after Mordre gains Chronomancy from Leatherface, he can use it himself.
Besides all this, the most important thing, Mordre has Dreameater blood iron, which he can freely create. It was said that it can be used as a weapon against these creatures or as a ward. If Boom waits few days, we can craft weapons and armor out of them for Boom and Bang (we can also heavily enchant them with runes and shit). Maybe Bang will be able to consume vast amounts of it and create weapons using Dreameater iron.

And besides all the good stuff, we will introduce Boom to Mordre... and who knows, maybe he will join our Elite along with his Son and help us out regularly?

>"Yeah.... that really DOES bother me. Got any suggestions on how to fix that?"
>[Boom]"Let me know if you come up with a solution."
Actually, Bang, you must be forgetting something
You already have solution for this problem.
In fact, you have entire continent full of this solution, Dionepa
Since everyone there has been using the same type of fighting as you have, I am sure you will find opponents of tremendous power which will be heavily resistant to your type of combat.
Spheregods will be especially powerful enemies.
Tell your Pops that....
Maybe he should find a way to visit other Continents?
Huh,
>>[Boom]"Let me know if you come up with a solution."
Tell him that one of the solutions could be working under Mordre, as he seems to attract trouble everywhere he goes and every fight you have been after you met him, has been pretty challenging.

Boom looks so much like my uncle in this picture it's scary
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No. 297798 ID: cc1e52

>>297639
>you adhered to your wild oath that you would learn to kill with healing and become a masterful warrior-and despite this,
See this, your father had just told you that you have completed your task, your oath is discharged. You can now kill with healing. It is time to learn other uses of magic, and, more importantly, other energy sources.

>"Yeah.... that really DOES bother me. Got any suggestions on how to fix that?"
Restrict yourself not to use Curiatomancy on your enemies.
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No. 297799 ID: 0fb2ef

>>297792
Waitwaitwait. WE HAVE A BETTER PLACE THEN DIONEPA! DRAGONS! CORE BEINGS! Bang, Boom, Lu Bu, enjoying manly asskicking!
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No. 297800 ID: 0fb2ef

>>297798
Wha? THE HELL! That is not the BANG WAY! Geeze, that's like saying...buy a sword and stab things and not use your fists.
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No. 297845 ID: a76809

>>297463
"One sec-mind completely, utterly destroying this body? Got a naggi-"

There is a patch of existence where I can perceive no light, no heat, no current, no sound-nothing-and where Leatherface once was, now lies empty. I catch the last wisps of that fell power, that lack of light, withdrawing into the skull about pop's neck... well, that solves that. Good thing I mapped out his complete, total cellular state, from neurons to ligaments.

>>297646
>>297789
"Thanks that'll work-and yeah, I totally want to go on an awesome time adventure! But again-hold on a sec-"
>>297651
I turn to the now corporeal Wifey.

"Wow. This is cool. I mean, are you tapping into my skill, or is that the normal look for a manifesting mask, or did the Belt use my soul as a template for you? And are you going to be using my magic to power any Chaos-mode transformations, or your own, or the Belt's, or what? We are gonna need to do SO MUCH EXPERIMENTING."
>[Red Eye]"...I predicted your reaction nearly verbatim. Perhaps one CAN predict you. I believe there are more pressing matters than our experimentation to attend to."

A glance at dad shows him doing SOMETHING with his skull that is making weird spiderwebs of blue-green light dance out in my vision.

"Woah hold on now dad-what are you doing there?"
>[Boom]"A manifested being of Chaos and Belief could act as a greater counterpoint than any number of additional Masks-Belief and Belief, Chaos and Order. We could go now-we could set things right-"
>>297649
"Now hold up I got a few hangups about Time shenanigans I want to address, since I really would like being able to run numbers on temporal events. So-if we go back and change history, will we be ejected to the same time we came from, just with a different state of reality, or would our existences be transferred to our younger selves? You seemed confident we wouldn't be destroyed-is there a different outlet I'm missing here?"
>>297716
>>297721
"Also what exactly is making this sure to succeed? I mean, if it DID work, would not mom have already been saved, I'm still not sure on the fluidity of time versus its rigidity. Say, for example, we somehow bottled mom's soul pre-Zenith-don't look at me like that I'm saying as a hypothetical-and brought that back to the here and now, and I grew her a new body-wouldn't that prevent a whole mess of massive temporal issues as reality corrected for our actions?"
>>297732
"Or if that was not feasible maybe we could talk with mom before the event, tell her what's going to go down, have her fake going insane and find a good moment to do a body-switch so we can bring her whole and hale to the present?"
>>297776
"Or new line of thought here we could Belt up mom-I could surrender it to her-and she could externally manifest her Mask-that should shelter her mind, right?"

I stop talking as I realize that confident, sadly-smug smirk has left my dad's face-to leave him looking Bang-shocked. Was it something I said?

"...ANYWAY, I really think we should sit down and look at what we are doing-you know, make sure this is the best bit of time-travel ever."

Boom begins to laugh at last, shaking his head as he starts walking closer to me.

>[Boom]"...So be it, so be it-Carlos, to the Magnum Manse!"

I am not even given time to remark that I am finally going back home, before that sea of nothing flares once more from the skull and-

[MAJOR PLOT LINE SERIOUSLY ALTERED: THE BOOM TIME TRAGEDY HAS NOW BECOME THE BANGBOOM TIME RUCKUS]

BONUS:


[Pick any previously player character with the exception of Lenryt-and the first one to get four votes will be instant Perspective shifted to, following which perspective will shift to Mordre post wrapping up the Word Mage issue.]

START CHOOSING.
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No. 297847 ID: a5dbe5

ARKUS
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No. 297850 ID: 059fc4

>>297845
Arkus, Derkin or Lubu are the ones I would prefer.

I would prefer Arkus, as I am curious about how having Kaisera as a apprentice is working.
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No. 297852 ID: a6ab09

sticking with bang because bangboom timeruckus is something we can't possibly miss, unless the bonus means we still get to go along for the time shenanigans
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No. 297855 ID: a6ba65

>>297852
I assumed the Magnums needed some time to work out how to turn this from a tragedy to good wholesome (Magnum) family fun, and we'll get back to them later.

As for my vote... I figure we can meet up with Arkus when we do the Mordre shuffle. I want to see what the Premen are up to. So, Lorgk.

If that fails for some reason, Keddic.
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No. 297856 ID: a76809

>>297852
[Time shenanigans is later-they have planning to do now.]
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No. 297862 ID: 4b68c7

>>297856
AWESOME

Voting for Arkus.
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No. 297864 ID: a6ab09

>>297856
keddic then, also hey nice misquote there at the beginning of your post >>297463
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No. 297869 ID: 252e1b

Dame Valiria! We've left her alone a long time. Or her brother, Vonjeen! Either is fine with me, they're both favorites of mine.
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No. 297871 ID: 90d2a5

Arkus
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No. 297872 ID: 252e1b

>>297871

Well an Arkus is fine too.
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No. 297875 ID: 5b95eb

Voting DREGAS.
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No. 297877 ID: 1854db

>any previous player character, not Lenryt (and obviously not Bang who we are switching away from)

FUCKING LUBU! YOU DIDN'T SAY WE COULDN'T PICK LUBU!
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No. 297882 ID: 903f16

In order of preference: Lorgk, Lubu, Jezebel, Dregas.
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No. 297888 ID: d4f98d

Arkus. LETS SEE HOW THAT APPRENTICE IS WORKING OUT.
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No. 297897 ID: cc1e52

Lubu, or Jak.

I don't want to go to Arkus until Mordre implants a Deep spawn in his System as Administrator.

Btw, I assume Dkay's fanart (297792) was part of the reason the Magnum's adventure went so well.
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No. 297899 ID: 097e6e

Since apparently voting is still open...

Any of the Drazken. Lorgk is preferred, but Jojo, Ugrokk, and Oggroth are fine, too. I would even settle for Mengsk.
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No. 297920 ID: 0fb2ef

In order: Keddic, Derkin, Ugrokk, and Oggroth
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No. 297922 ID: 5f0943

Either Lubu or Keddick.
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No. 297945 ID: ab04d4

Arkus!

also Magnum Boom is Batman apparently, this is pretty cool
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No. 297961 ID: 81f32a

>>297897
Shit, man, I hope so. I really do.

since the other explanation would be that the bonus was Perpective choice, which is rather a complete bullshit if you ask me. We get Perspective choices all the time, I wouldn't want to waste a bonus on that ... hell, out of all the things that the fanart could have done, that never crossed my mind.

Also, not a single point of my big-ass suggestion got touched. You really should stop giving preference to the first (mostly spontaneous) responses, Bob. Not everyone has the luxury of being here after the update to spew out whatever crosses their minds first.
Why destroy a perfectly good body and soul when numerous people suggest otherwise?
Why not ask Mordre for help when people kept telling to do so. Etc...
Ever since Ulzrick, we asked on numerous occasions to collect the 3 souls of Murdered Masked Warriors, got completely ignore. Sure, the skinner might have destroyed their souls ... but still...

Anyway, for the Perspective choice the best thing would have been to take Dolrick, just so we know what is up with him.
But Arkus already won with 5+ votes.
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No. 298012 ID: 09b517

Arkus please.
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No. 298021 ID: a5dbe5

>>297961
Oh look, it's me after we blinded Ulzrick like a doofus!

Yeah, no one's gonna listen. Suck it up.
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No. 298030 ID: ee1442

>>297961
You obviously don't understand how Bob works. He takes the suggestions that are closest to how the character thinks.

Bang is chaotic and does whatever comes to mind first, so he destroyed the body.

Once we get to Arkus, every suggestion will probably be closely considered and weighted.
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No. 298088 ID: 0fb2ef

Wait, Bang, one parting thing. You've improved your Eye Sight amazingly, and I think you've improved your hearing too - if not, go eat a bat - but, your schnoz! Not only should you be able to see magic before it strikes you, but you should be able to smell it too! Dog nose, first, and we can build up from there.
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No. 298121 ID: a76809

>>297847
>>297850
>>297862
>>297871
>>297872
>>297888
>>297945
>>298012

......................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: ARKUS] ................................... ...................................

>"-at's why Leylines can be tapped, yet your blood can generate a markedly similar magic: Leylines are effectively the veins of Zakrath, the circulatory system for the planet."

Kaisera tucks her head, face obscured under that ever-present, flopped over, over-sized steepled hat. She fidgets with her robes as she is wont to do when sounding ideas on me, feet constantly shifting.

The problem is that as usuall, she is making me look bad. Because she can See... well, any magic, whether someone is telling the truth, AND can sense souls-seriously good sight in her possession-she can see the bigger picture. She gets to benefit from the research Mordre, Kyorto and I have done-and has been screaming her way through the libraries. Yes, the plural is intentional-she is navigating each Research outpost in a massive sweep-and she's labelled two outposts 'finished' already.

She has not yet learned a thing about Runing though, there is that. I've plied my position as both State mage and apprentice to the ruler of the nation to trade individual tomes until the Arcanoworks gathered every single volume on the subject in the land-I have made Mordre's prior home into a bastion of personal research.

Into which Kaisera's incessant curiosity intrudes.

>"Uuuuum..."
"If you can't spit it out I have a GREAT deal of work to get back to-"
>"Uh, so was my supposition accurate?"
"...It is closer to truth than the conventional views on the subject, yes."

She stamps a foot as her face glows and contorts.

>"That's not fair-you answered without really saying anything!"
"Learn to only 'see' as much of other people... as other people. It is a virtue that will behoove you."
>"Come on, I-"
"Since you are here, we can pick up where we left off on our little project."

Her petulant scowl is banished by a radiant, almost manic smile as she bounces forward, grabbing a seat and pulling forth one of several notebooks she keeps on her person at all times.

>"Okay-what rune chain are you envisioning?"
"Pyromancy based energy acumulation tied to personal empowerment"
>"...So a spell to draw in surrounding heat to warm oneself?"
"At low energy levels yes-with a means of insulating oneself from the damages of an elevated internal temperature, considerably more can be done. Now-what do you see?"

Glyphs, runes formed of my own special hybrid of World and Blood glow in the air before me, etched on naught but existence itself.

This particular trick I picked up... oh, about five days ago. Turns out the hybrid magic that lead to the change in my axe can do all sorts of strange things with runes-it doesn't even seem to follow conventional runing methodology.

Hence why I am systematically creating known rune-chains in my mind, and having Kaisera jot down everything she Sees of what is actually wrought by my will. Her head constantly shifting to look from me to her notes sets her ludicrously long hair to rippling on her back as I consider-



-I have administrative duties for the Arcanoworks as the State Mage in charge of it.
-I am in co-command of all hand-cannon production with Del Rogo.
-Mordre wants me to work on making a language of Magic, one that can interface with the one the Premen started in the north.
-I am in co-command with Jezebel of the Golem Armor modifications (with twenty total now having been crafted.
-Mordre wants me to get Kaisera involved in creating a unified Magic theory to somehow exploit her vision.
-Mordre wants a Core Being pre-detection method.
-Mordre is STILL trying to convince me to let him put a Deep Spawn in my blood.
-I need to network with Bang, Mingsk and Lorgk concerning Mordreden and the Dionepan Sphere above it, and attempt to integrate the two disparate magics with my pending unified magic theory.
-I'm supposed to deal with the fact Mordre shunted the Mortal Coil aside to me, leaving them now demanding publications of my findings for evaluation-with Mordre breathing down my neck about what is and is not okay to share.
-I need to stay in touch with Ellayia, who is now a regular employee of Mordre, as she joins Ulzrick in being Mordre's 'secret keepers'-really, Mordre seemed to take a shine to her during his whole thing hunting down the Word mage small tomb.
-Plus my own investigations both into my PseudoSystem as a whole and my new form or Runing in particular.


...It never ends....

Hard to believe it was a scant two hundred days ago I met Mordre.....







-Wait, what day is it-better, what cycle is-no, even broader: What month is it?
What sort of rune patterns should I try to form with Kaisera?
What sort of task should I set for my apprentice when I send her away?
When should I make time to see Mordre's new faux-real body, the layered golem he made with Kyorto?
What should I do with Thomro's Small Tomb-I haven't had time to practice my Golem operation for more than a Cycle....
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No. 298125 ID: a5dbe5

>>298121
>Need a list of Runes for use, then we can go bananas.


>What sort of task should I set for my apprentice when I send her away?
Get her working on the advance warning system for Core beings, nitwit! She'll probably be able to do it better than you.


>When should I make time to see Mordre's new faux-real body, the layered golem he made with Kyorto?
Later in the night, when sane people and people who aren't Mordre are asleep.

>What should I do with Thomro's Small Tomb-I haven't had time to practice my Golem operation for more than a Cycle....
Ask Mr. Moneybags, er, Dregas for some pointers, or a lesson, if he has the time.
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No. 298128 ID: 1eda77

Talking about the day you found Mordre, did you discovered why did you go into such dangerous adventure.
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No. 298129 ID: 0fb2ef

>Month
Rathday of the Third Cycle of Libiturnius.
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No. 298140 ID: 5b95eb

>-Mordre is STILL trying to convince me to let him put a Deep Spawn in my blood.

Yeah that's probably not a good idea. I wouldn't say yes, personally. I'm not a man who is power-mad, though.

>>298128
I suspect some form of hypnotism or partial possession, only because I just read Dirk Gently and it was almost exactly like what Arkus was describing.
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No. 298152 ID: a6ba65

>>298140
Seems like a fine idea. You should let Mordre put it inside you.

> Core Being warning system
It seems likely that you're unique nature should be well-suited to this. Can you sense leylines or geysers, or areas where that weave is weak? Like calls to like, and all.

> Thomro soul golem
Have Kaisera take a look. I'm hoping, since she can 'See' souls, that all the Thomro souls are connected somehow, helping us with tracking down the remnants. They're all in small tombs, so probably they'll move around, but it can't hurt to have a general area.

> Glyphs
Shot, remember Arkus is sitting on a whole research outpost worth of Runelore. Probably ALL fields of magic are open to him, or can be with enough study.
- Kinetimancy to control the battlefield and deny enemies who enter the Glyph's area mobility. The kinetics absorbed from enemies can be used to power the Glyph without further input from Arkus.
- Gravimancy localised to bring down flyers.
- Curatiomancy Glyphs that act as a mobile healing tent like the Drazken have.
- Would regular Tractomancy runes linked to a Tractomancy Glyph be able to pull a poor man's Burduko for Arkus?

Speaking of runes, I'd like to see if we could rune up some aquamancy/necromancy runes for farming. Age plants quickly via necromancy + inundate with water via aquamancy = super-quick growing.
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No. 298160 ID: a5dbe5

>Runes

Okay, I'm gonna be talking a bit weird here, so just... bear with me, okay?

First of all, Geomancy runes connected with Gravimancy and Magnetomancy. Stick it on a dowsing rod. See what happens.

Secondly, Pumomancy runes + Curatiomancy, on a set of gloves. See if they make you a super-greenthumb, moreso than mere pumomancy.

For that matter, find a ball and just riddle it with Kinetomancy - and if you can find runes for Chaos, stick those on there.

A sword with tractomancy runes powered by blood.
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No. 298171 ID: 5b95eb

Give us the run-down on the progress of the Universal magic theory/language.
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No. 298173 ID: 097e6e

>New rune patterns
>Practice with Golem Command
Why not combine the two? That is, for rune pattern, try something like "Tractomancy based two way communication, biased toward Order both for better sensing of the environment surrounding communicators and concealment of the communication." Might not actually work, not the way it is currently phrased anyways. But, if it does work, then you could practice Golem Command in the safety of your base!

Somewhat on a tangent, have you ever tried turning things that could be turned into runes into actual runes with effects with your hybrid World/Blood runes? Particularly, tracing out pathways in the shape of a rune with your Will, and then pushing the World/Blood into those pathways; that experiment might result in turning those temporary runes into permanent runes.

If that succeeds, then perhaps the following idea might be of some use: turning your blood vessels into something like the crystal that encompass the Leylines: as the World magic still needs to be collected (I would assume), then perhaps runes could be etched into your blood vessels for the purpose of preventing your self-generated World Magic from leaking out of your circulatory system, and, when enough magic that your system can hold is pooled, absorbing the excess magic generated into a pool that you can tap into for more magic.

Also, have you observed any ripples in the flow of your System whenever you, or someone else maybe, use Word Magic? From the observations of the Drazken Magic Think-Tank, Word Magic use creates ripples in the nearest Leylines. While the nature of the ripples are still as-of-yet unknown, perhaps you can use what is known to your benefit? If you are able to drive your Leylines to flow faster by using the Word ripples, then perhaps World magic generation would increase, as Blood magic generation is known to increase the faster the flow of the blood goes; as World magic is generated by the blood, then perhaps the "rate of flow determines amount generated" characteristic of Blood also is found in World.

>Deep Spawn Implantation in Blood
Sure, go for it. For one thing, preservation of your body System is something you would want, as it is pretty unique, and thus, prohibitively difficult to replace. As Deep Spawn are immortal, and that immortality is extended to whatever their body is (and that body would be your circulatory system), your body would be effectively immortal: your blood system would be preserved and regenerate from pretty most harm, and then Mordre or Bang could then grow back the rest of your body.

Something that might be problematic, though, would be Kaisera seeing the implanted Deep Spawn, and asking questions approaching worryingly close Forbidden areas. (There's also the possibility that Mordre does very bad things to your body via your circulatory system through the implanted Deep Spawn, but, given Mordre's previous actions, unlikely to happen unless you somehow betray Mordre, which you would absolutely never do, of course, since you are completely loyal to Mordre, aren't you.)

>Task for Kaisera
...Isn't there some tasks that would take up lots of your time that you can hand off to her, like what Mordre does to you? Since she doesn't know runes, she can't help with that, but, given her capability with World Magic, preparation of materials for runing--infusing World magic into ink, to increase magical potency through sheer amount of magic, for example. Perhaps, given the food crisis going on, field-wide World-based Pomumancy over the crops (of those in the Arcanoworks, the fields surrounding the Arcanoworks, etc.) to encourage growth as well as prevention of disease and predation? With World's predilection for growth and life, those workings should turn out well. Also, those trips should help her map out the Leylines of the country, giving her the opportunity to set up that warning system, and provide more Belief for Mordre as the populace also see more examples of Mordre working to better their life (even if it wasn't at the behest of Mordre, the populace doesn't know that, especially if you inform Mordre of Kaisera's assignment; though, if you tack your name onto that, you might also accrue Belief, like how you are piggybacking onto the Belief in Mordre of the Ark).

On the subject of Belief, have you accrued sufficient Belief to use Belief as a magic source? You have the adoration of the people around the Arcanoworks (from being the administrator and sort-of mage of it; it should be amplified, from the existent worhship of mages embedded in the culture), as well as the worship of the Dionepans of the Ark. There are also the Belief imbued in 'precious' objects, like the gem atop your staff, as well as your staff itself.
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No. 298174 ID: a5dbe5

>>298173

>Why not combine the two? That is, for rune pattern, try something like "Tractomancy based two way communication, biased toward Order both for better sensing of the environment surrounding communicators and concealment of the communication." Might not actually work, not the way it is currently phrased anyways. But, if it does work, then you could practice Golem Command in the safety of your base!

>Arkus is gradually becoming what we pretended to be

:|
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No. 298177 ID: 903f16

>>298121

>-Mordre wants me to work on making a language of Magic, one that can interface with the one the Premen started in the north.
How about trying to get the Land of Dragons in on the language? They probably have quite a bit to add to the language and I don't think you have had a chance to hang out in that crazy place yet.

>-Mordre wants a Core Being pre-detection method.
What do you know about Core Beings? You know that they are created from the runoff magic of the system, magic that the Deep Spawn need to let off in order to keep the System as a whole running. This isn't a process that occurs all at once, so if this is gradual you would be able to detect increased amounts of World magic flowing into an area over time. So if we built a device that detected such changes we could use it to detect Core Beings as they start manifesting. Now that you have this device you could use it to scan along the Leylines and look for any deviations from normal flow. If we want to do this right then we need to try and map out the major Leylines around us and then periodically scan along them. That part should be simple enough, you can sense Leylines rather easily and Kaisera can see them. I don't think you would even need to be on the ground, you could get Nidhogg out and scan from the skies. And if you're looking to tap that what better evening can you show her than a tour around the countryside on dragon back, maybe you could pack a little picnic basket?

>-Mordre is STILL trying to convince me to let him put a Deep Spawn in my blood.
Let him do it Arkus. It will make you far more powerful and help the development of your Pseudo-System. You can trust Mordre, you know he has your best interests at heart or at least his own interests which happen to include you.

>-I'm supposed to deal with the fact Mordre shunted the Mortal Coil aside to me, leaving them now demanding publications of my findings for evaluation-with Mordre breathing down my neck about what is and is not okay to share.
Yeah, that's a tough one. What findings do they want exactly? We've got a lot of them and most of our research comes from rather peculiar sources. The best I can do for you is suggest you get together the results of our research and piece together what research we can share and come up with viable alternatives to compensate for what we can't by asking Kyorto. I see this as being a pain in the ass, but it's very doable as long as you constantly get check ups and have those that know the secret look it over to make sure it works.

>-Wait, what day is it-better, what cycle is-no, even broader: What month is it?
You can remember the number of days since meeting Mordre, but not the current month?

>What sort of rune patterns should I try to form with Kaisera?
These >>298152 sound good.

>When should I make time to see Mordre's new faux-real body, the layered golem he made with Kyorto?
Sounds like a plan. You know if Mordre weren't scary as all fuck I'd say you should doodle on his faux-real body's face while he's out.

>What should I do with Thomro's Small Tomb-I haven't had time to practice my Golem operation for more than a Cycle....
Get some practice in when you can man. How different is piloting a Golem Armor from a Small Tomb? You might be able to get some tips from Ellorika or maybe even Carkiano if you want. You may want to consider getting that thing modified a bit more, like maybe putting some over-armor onto it like Mordre has. Del Rogo can probably make some if given some time.
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No. 298178 ID: 903f16

>>298174
That's actually more awesome than you think it is. If people see Arkus doing that it lends credibility to our cover because it leads people to believe that it's a result of our teaching.
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No. 298214 ID: d4f98d

>>298140
I agree, if only for the fact that I wouldn't dream of letting a n entity that I have no way of controlling infusing itself into my body.

Maybe someday, when you've put more research into it's effects, maybe?

Anyways, you should probably chill out. Yes, it can be annoying to have someone rivaling your own rise to prominence, but don't think of it as simple rivalry. Think of it as "You're just that damn knowledgable." Like you said, it's been about 100 days since you started. Don't sell your own progress short.

Besides, being Jealous of the opportunities you're creating for your apprentice is unbecoming. Once she catches up to you (if her progress allows it)...well, your own genius coupled with her ability to literally see through to the heart of magical matters is going to be fucking AWESOME.

That said, it seems you're well on your way toward your old goal, if the Mortal Coil has been DEMANDING access to yours and Mordre's research and theories.
That said, bring Kaisera in on the Unified Magical Theory. The sooner you do it, the sooner you can start seeing results.
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No. 298218 ID: 252e1b

>>298214

She's got an almost unique gift, of course she's going to be exceptional in many ways. But Arkus's ability to focus and accomplish goals is nothing short of supernatural. Between the two of them they should be able to usher in a new golden age of research into magic theory.

>>298121

>Runes

Make time to talk to Keddic. He's a master of blood magic, and between him and you, your hybrid rune system should be able to make some startling progress. I would attempt microrunes, as tiny as possible while still being empowered and useful, which are designed to be able to make general rune designs inside the body itself. Take Bang's idea of putting mana runes on every part of his bones, and one-up him by putting a rune system that can change itself according to your needs in place in every cell in your body.

Between you and Keddic, and with Kaisera's assistance in maximizing the empowerment of such tiny runes, you should be able to make great strides. If you can pull Kyorto into it as well, you'll have all the expertise in mana storage and enhancement techniques she knows at your disposal to further optimize the primary function of the runes.
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No. 298220 ID: da8d97

>>298121
>I have administrative duties for the Arcanoworks as the State Mage in charge of it.
Ask Mordre to create a civil servant deep spawn.
>I am in co-command of all hand-cannon production with Del Rogo.
Leave that to him.
>Mordre wants me to work on making a language of Magic, one that can interface with the one the Premen started in the north.
Talk to Phohn, and ask him if he can transmit thoughts and concepts as well as words. This may be a better means of communicating about magic rather than a conventional language,
>I am in co-command with Jezebel of the Golem Armor modifications (with twenty total now having been crafted.
Leave that to her.
>Mordre wants me to get Kaisera involved in creating a unified Magic theory to somehow exploit her vision.
Ask Bang to investigate whether her vision has any biological aspects that can be copied
>Mordre wants a Core Being pre-detection method.
Kaisera can work on that, looking for a way to detect energy build ups in the system.
>Mordre is STILL trying to convince me to let him put a Deep Spawn in my blood.
Permit him. Your system needs an Administrator.
>Plus my own investigations both into my PseudoSystem as a whole and my new form or Runing in particular.
As you seem to be a Caged Being in microcosm, then you should investigate the other aspects of its magic apart from World. First, you should work with Jojo and Ulzrick to investigate whether you to generate your own Dream. Your should then see if your pseudo-System qualifies as a spiritual disability for the purposes of gaining active control over it. You should also investigate whether your unique state allows you to imbue elements with Colour.
>What sort of rune patterns should I try to form with Kaisera?
Runes designed to be placed on individual cells that generate and amplify magic, and runes designed to insulate their bearer from temporal or dream based manipulation.
>What sort of task should I set for my apprentice when I send her away?
Ask her to try to work out how to draw on your magic remotely, and ask her to inspect the Deep Spawn to see if she can reverse engineer their magic.
>When should I make time to see Mordre's new faux-real body, the layered golem he made with Kyorto?
>What should I do with Thomro's Small Tomb-I haven't had time to practice my Golem operation for more than a Cycle....

>>298218
On the cellular runing, also Phohn Bang to ask about creating cellular and protein based runes. Earlier, you decided to ask Bang to upgrade your eyes so you can see magic. You should follow up on this, and ask for a complete upgrade to your entire body – a better brain, near unbreakable bones and skin, magic generating organs, etc.

Keddic may well be able to help by using White Blood created antigens to selectively bind to cells to form runes. You should also speak to him about your hybrid magic. He uses a hybrid of Blood and Will, and although you would need to marry into the family to be taught its secrets (and he does have a sister...), he may well have some insights that also apply to your Blood-World magic. He is also a master of the use of White Blood, which is a facet of Blood Magic that you should explore.

Whilst he's around, you should arrange for him to borrow Del Roga's axe, to see if he can unlock the White Blood Magic secrets it may hold.
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No. 298236 ID: 7bb4f0

You should share those heat-transfer runes with Ulzrick. Hasn't he had issues with overheating his body in battle for a while now?

For the golem armors maybe you could work with kinetimantic or tractomantic runes to separate the pilots from the forces generated by the suit movements. Like create a separate zone inside the suit so the operators don't turn into ketchup if the golem armor moves at high speeds or falls off a cliff. Then you could work on actually making the armors faster and more agile. Perhaps you could come up with some kind of magic engine together with Jezebel. Gialgorra has perpetual engines already, remember? Perhaps one could simply be made by runing a heavy wheel with gravimantic runes that make one side of the wheel slightly heavier when the runes are the right way up and lighter when the runes are upside down? Alternatively two linked cogwheels withsmall amounts of purple iridium or lortoxite on one edge of each cog tooth. Then the magic metal lined side will hit the non-magic metal lined side with more force than was put into it, causing the other wheel to turn and more subsequent impacts. Perhaps you could set the Thomro tomb to do forge work. It's smart enough to follow instructions and its molten metal/super arm speeds could really accomplish stuff.

Also have you ever considered that souls are a bit like yoghurt? Humans are born in a world of bland magic milk, but somehow they generate higher magical constructs of great power and complexity. These souls are then consumed by Zakrath. Perhaps the ver purpose of humans is just to generate those souls in the first place.

Maybe you should try to create a rune of unravelling. You could make a spell that dissolves clothes :P
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No. 298274 ID: 8b0de1

So how is Kaisera working out for you, Arkus?
Is she a good apprentice?
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No. 298281 ID: 226eec

Arkus was compelled into his journey to find Mordre in the first place by the presence of order motes, or so I think. This may or may not come back to bite us in the ass.
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No. 298285 ID: cf5146

>>298281
You know, it's possible that the "Order Motes" are actually Bob.
After all, he is the pillar of Order that organize this story while we're the unpredictable (mostly) Chaos that drive it.

It's something to think about.
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No. 298287 ID: 0fb2ef

>I have administrative duties for the Arcanoworks as the State Mage in charge of it.
Begin organizing the Arcanoworks so they can operate at peak efficiency. Encourage the Arcanoworks to act as trading hubs too, and to become self-sufficient towns upon themselves. If this is already done, start organizing the books and information into a super-library. And what does the top floor of the Kyogrock Arcanoworks look like anyway?
>I am in co-command of all hand-cannon production with Del Rogo.
First, start trying to tie these Glyphs to hand-cannons. Next, learn runing from Del Rogo. Third, begin an assembly line to increase production. If there already is one, practice Golem Control, but making the assembly line work off golems
>Mordre wants me to work on making a language of Magic, one that can interface with the one the Premen started in the north.
Also coordinate with Keddic and Bang and any contacts you have in the Land of the Dragon to increase this.
>I am in co-command with Jezebel of the Golem Armor modifications (with twenty total now having been crafted.
Is Del Rogo working on this as well? If not, he should be. Other then that, start trying to tie Glyphs to Golem Armor, begin an assembly line, and start experimenting on making Golem Armor think for itself.
>Mordre wants me to get Kaisera involved in creating a unified Magic theory to somehow exploit her vision.
Teach her the Language of Magic
>Mordre is STILL trying to convince me to let him put a Deep Spawn in my blood.
First, study up on what this may do. Then do it.
>I'm supposed to deal with the fact Mordre shunted the Mortal Coil aside to me, leaving them now demanding publications of my findings for evaluation-with Mordre breathing down my neck about what is and is not okay to share.
Well, run everything you have over with Mordre. Ask him what he thinks that you’ve developed can be shared or can’t be. Do this with every new theory. We don’t want the Coil to screw with us, and after all, you never got in right. Screw ‘em.
>I need to stay in touch with Ellayia, who is now a regular employee of Mordre, as she joins Ulzrick in being Mordre's 'secret keepers'-really, Mordre seemed to take a shine to her during his whole thing hunting down the Word mage small tomb.
Details on the whole Word mage small tomb deal? And, as you remembering it, contact her. Check ow she’s doing, if she needs any more equipment or whatever it is that assassins need.

And you see to be slacking on the preaching the Name of Mordre back on the Dionepan Sphere. You should also be cultivating it here too, but focus on the ‘wise, benevolent leader’ bit rather then the ‘beat the awesome into you and kill everything’.
Also begin studying macro-scale rune work. See if you can make some places more bountiful by runing words into the very city streets and fields.
Have we read all the books, like Kaisera? If not, we need to. She can’t out strip us.

>What sort of rune patterns should I try to form with Kaisera?
Simple ones for now. Frost, heat, electricity, defense, attack.
>What sort of task should I set for my apprentice when I send her away?
Eh, she’s just there to lighten the load, and you’re already doing such a good job.
>When should I make time to see Mordre's new faux-real body, the layered golem he made with Kyorto?
Oh,Yes please!
>What should I do with Thomro's Small Tomb-I haven't had time to practice my Golem operation for more than a Cycle....
Begin teaching and researching on the back of Thomro, or on one of those dais’ that Mordre made for you to ride around on back in the day.
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No. 298291 ID: 5b95eb

How're Dregas and Derkin doing, by the way?
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No. 298301 ID: 8b0de1

Yeah, let Mordre put a Deep Spawn in you. That sounds like a great idea

iirc, Bob said that this will open a New Plot-Line. He did not say that doing this will be bad ..... he did not say that it will be goo either
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No. 298303 ID: da8d97

>>298301
[19:13] <TheBeardiestBob> Implanting a Deep Spawn Core in Arkus will unlock a HUGE upgrade path and quest line, if that is what you are asking
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No. 298349 ID: 8b0de1

>-I need to stay in touch with Ellayia, who is now a regular employee of Mordre, as she joins Ulzrick in being Mordre's 'secret keepers'-really, Mordre seemed to take a shine to her during his whole thing hunting down the Word mage small tomb.

I think I need more information on this.
Wasn't Ulzrick police supposed to be secret? Like, even from Mordre? How did Arkus (and Mordre) know about this? Did Lenryt just tell him or did Ulzrick do it? (remember, Lenryt forbid him from revealing himself even to Arkus)
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No. 298514 ID: 252e1b

What happened to those golems that Vimes was running with? Are you doing anything useful with them?

>>298285

We would do well to not mention him overmuch. He is the Heart of Chaos, if I understood Lenryt correctly.
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No. 298541 ID: 903f16

>>298514
Well most of Vime's golems got offed in the battle with the Disciples of Domintus. The ones that survived are working for Mordre as representatives and/or mascots. Now keep in mind these guys are anathemas or at least we suspect they are. I'm not sure if Mordre is aware this yet or if they are aware of what he his.

We've also got the Armstrong Armada running around without a leader. In addition to knowing even less about them than we did about Vimes and his golems we haven't heard from them since the big battle, so who knows how they're holding up. There's also the Reavers Of Nibelheim, thankfully they got through in one piece, not sure if we kept them on retainer though. If we didn't we should, they're worth a little drain on state funding. And everyone should know the deal with Captain Falcon by now, man needs a new arm and a medal.
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No. 298559 ID: cf5146

Well, for the Deep Spawn situation, I advise to accept but with a condition : tell Mordre to make sure that YOU are the one in control of the Deep Spawn and you'll do it.
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No. 298566 ID: d4f98d

>>298541
>Armstrong Armada

I'm sorry, I looked through the previous 2 threads and could find no mention at all of Armstrong dying in the Siege, only Vimes.
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No. 298571 ID: 903f16

>>298566
That's information from IRC, I think either from during the siege or a couple weeks after. In the same conversation it was also mentioned that the HAM characters that died or were injured did so in place of our main characters.
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No. 298598 ID: d4f98d

I could have sworn he'd just said that armstrong was fighting elswhere in the city.

If he really is dead, that's information that genuinely should be stated in the thread itself.
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No. 298608 ID: 9ea6ca

>I have administrative duties for the Arcanoworks as the State Mage in charge of it.
>Ask Mordre to create a civil servant deep spawn.

I suggested a deep spawn named Acronum for exactly this situation. We didn't create him back when Mordre was just founding the senate because it would have led to awkward questions. But Acronum could work directly under Arkus at the Arcanoworks for now and lighten his load.

If you are not familiar with the idea, full details for Acronum are in the old discussion thread near the end.
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No. 298645 ID: 8b0de1

>>298608
this gets my vote
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No. 298668 ID: cf5146

>>298645
Seconded.
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No. 298678 ID: 059fc4

what about the construction deepspawn?
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No. 298692 ID: 5b95eb

Deepspawn making should be held onto until we switch back to Mordre.
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No. 298718 ID: a76809
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>>298129
[BZZT, that's what day it was BEFORE the mini timeskip to day 200. Bonus MISSED]

[DAY 200: DAY 10 OF CYCLE 2 OF MONTH 7]
[Randiday of the Second Cycle of Malanius]


>>298128
...Oh right, and at some point I need to figure out just what lead me to find Mordre-the fact my memories are so fuzzy concerning the event is still a loose end that needs resolving.

>>298152
>>298160
I spend time imaging and producing Kinetomancy related runes, Curatiomancy glyphs and some rudimentary Gravimancy sigils. I find myself wanting to attempt mapping out Tractomantic runes as well-but lacking books on the subject, I refrain for the moment. I can always confer with Bobobo at a later junction. Besides, three entire mancies-I spend four hours on the task, referencing a total of thirty seven tomes in the process to make sure I have the equations correct, and Kaisera half-fills her notebook as she studiously observes my manifestations. I see her starting to go cross-eyed from the intense focus and decide to give her a break-

>>298125
And by break I mean make her as busy as I am so she doesn't keep deducing her way into more and more closely guarded secrets.

"So-got a new project for you."
>"Um, yes?"
"You know that project Mordre brought, the one for a Core Being early detection system?"
>"The one he brought seven days ago?"
"That's the one-show me what you've got, and see what kind of solutions you can come up with. You have free access to all the research outposts for this project, but cannot confer with Mages Eisenhardt or Kyorto without first sounding your proposal off me, is that understood?"
>"....It's my project now?"
"Not quite-that's why you are getting supervision. Think of it as a test run, to see if you can handle self-driven research. If you can, know you'll be a whole mess closer to being an official State Mage."
>I.... okay, I'll do it!"

>>298140
>>298214
I send another rebuff to Mordre, rejecting his requests to implant a Deep Spawn in my blood as I take Kaisera's notebook. I spend two hours incorperating her analysis with that gathered in past study, comparing the whole of it to my patchwork frame of the unified magic theory. A few things make a bit more sense-but I am no closer to a comprehensive system than I was before. Somewhere along the way Kaisera departed on her project as I produce ever more notes on my studies of the WorldBlood runes.

>>298173
>>298174
>>298178
...Hm, I think I'm starting to get a handle on the energy transfer mechanisms of these new free-form runes. I think it may be time for a more involved experiment.
Phohn, can Bobobo please be brought to the Arcanoworks?
As you ask, Arkus

Four seconds later, Bobobo is before me. It takes me half an hour of circuitously phrased questions and carefully taken notes, but soon enough I have a rough framework for a Tractomancy based rune set-a rather singularly useful one at that: Remote golem operation. I intend to use Tractomancy to define any golem considered under the caster's Ownership to by manipulated irrelevant of intervening distance and obstacles.

It takes me an hour from there of slowly building up power as trial and error on a small scale lets me iron out the initial bugs-

"Thomro, return to my side."

Ten minutes later Thomro, who had been on the far side of the Arcanoworks, trundles up before me. I find myself greeting him seated, the Tractomantic rune working draining enough I have trouble standing.

...But this proves it-with my free-runing system, so long as I know the relevant base runing constructs involved, I can cast any form of magic, without any need for experience with the related mancy. In effect, I could become a specialist in a field that lets me be a generalist.

The fact I can bring this to Mordre to couple with his faux-body to really make his ruse stick doesn't hurt either.

I spend the rest of the afternoon puttering after a different idea, trying to pour this new runing power onto conventional runes-but the process yields no results, and I find myself thinking I lack key information to pull this off.

>>298177
I spend the early evening using Phohn to communicate with Keddic, who has currently brought the majority of his family down to the Land of Dragons (he says he is polishing off their Masharksben basic training with the aid of the Metal Skulls). I explain the unified magic theory and language projects, and my desire to network with the southerners: Keddic responds by saying while there he will personally speak with the Emperor and see about getting that set up. Two hours later Phohn puts me in touch with an aged martia practicioner and living encyclopedia of Combat Magic, a matron named Iron Yuzong. Midnight almost catches me unaware, so engrossed do I get in speaking with her, Phohn acting as translator. I end the day with nearly a book's worth of additional notes.



[DAY 201: DAY 1 OF CYCLE 3 OF MONTH 7]
[Zakday of the Third Cycle of Malanius]


I drag myself out of bed after four hours of sleep, light a few candles, infuse energy in my staff so that the Heart of Winter bathes the room in stark red light, and set to organizing the massive collection of new notes I have. I miss breakfast in my labors, but six hours later I've finished catching all the logical fallacies in my myriad of intuitive guesswork, and compile a list of new questions for Iron Yuzong. I speak with her for two hours, we both take a break for a meal in our respective nations, and speak for a further two hours therafter. I take another hour after the meeting rescribing my notes and streamlining my new ideas about the fundamental nature of magic, before I spend the latter half of the day checking on the hand-cannon construction (which had a backup of unruned cannons I was able to blaze through thanks to my axe and staff alike being fully charged), stop in with Jezebel to see how the golem armors are doing, check with Ellorika on how the new golem armor operator training is coming along, With all that finally done I take another moment, this time to grab an early dinner as I once more go over my notes on Free-runing. There's something-

I cut the meal short and return to my study, spending the rest of the night collaborating with Jojo, Mingsk and the rest of the now hundred-plus Drazken shamans, bouncing ideas off them. By nightfall, it seems definitive-there is some sort of similarity between my free-Runing and yeti Soul Magic, both able to produce free-floating glyphs. On this rather sordid note do I end the conference, another three hours occupied working this new concept into the UMT.

[DAY 202: DAY 2 OF CYCLE 3 OF MONTH 7]
[Morday of the Third Cycle of Malanius]


This time Midnight DOES catch me unawares, but not long after I finally am forced to rest. Just under five hours later I wake with the first rays of dawn light.

>>298218
This, the second day completely free of my chattering apprentice, I decide to spend once more in a Phohn conference-once more speaking with Keddic. At first the conversation threatens to stall as Keddic precieves me attempting to steal his families style from him-when I make it clear I am only looking to see what he knows of molding runes, and how Blood's power can interact with that, he mellows out and opens up. With what I gain over four hours of conversation, I gather up all my recently assembled notes, and decide to rewrite my entire set of facts and observations concerning magic's fundamental nature to remove clutter and keep things organized. It takes me the entire rest of the day-and I don't regret it a whit, having compressed several hundred loose pages and a half dozen partly filled notebooks into a single, half-full, leather-bound journal. There, that should make further study a bit smoother.

This time I actually turn in a bit early, feeling rather happy with the current status of the UMT research.

[DAY 203: DAY 3 OF CYCLE 3 OF MONTH 7]
[Atenday of the Third Cycle of Malanius]


I my first waking hour re-reading the newly transcribed Book of Magic Concepts, making sure nothing seems out of sorts after a full-night's rest, before I make my rounds to the hand-cannon production and golem armor refitting wings of the Arcanoworks.

>>298287
My day-to-day duties attended to, I spend four hours taking notes on staff performance, the effectiveness of the chain of command, and inter-office harmony-I speak with about twenty different people, change the command dynamic just a bit-

And I think I'll need a half hour less hands-on administration to keep things running smoothly here. It's a start.

After having my first actual breakfast in a cycle (I never feel hungry in the morning) I check in on Kaisera via Phohn (much amused by how frustrated her response is). From there, I decide to return to the Dionepan sphere, first making sure to put on my runed leather body glove and new specially-prepared cloth-of-gold robes, staff in one hand, axe in the other. To say Bang's training methods are a stupefying sight to behold is an understatement sufficient to leave a mind wholly unprepared for the overwhelming chaos at work-but all the same I can see the radical change in combat performance in the followers, the improved manipulation of their personal Faith Guardians-

They have changed enough, BEEN CHANGED enough that not a one lacks enough base magic capacity to begin learning Word magic. I begin with my personal favorite, the anonymous veil that obscures one's presence, and move on to magic-focusing key-Words, all the while mixing the lessons with semi-preaching of Mordre's power and the great gains made by following him. If there were any doubts in my mind before, all are dispelled as I observe a fanaticism that is starting to rival that of the Domintus forces taking root in the rescured farmers-turned-warrior-zealots.

Five hours later I depart, returning to the Arcanoworks in the afternoon.









What should I do now?
>[Should Perspective shift back to Mordre for a brief time first, or stay on Arkus until Bang and Boom are ready for their time escapade?]
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No. 298723 ID: 5b95eb

Votin' Mordre.
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No. 298726 ID: 059fc4

Mordre
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No. 298730 ID: 903f16

I'll take a perspective shift to Mordre. Arkus' work is important, but we need to be in the the commanders seat if we really want to get some shit done. I'd also like to check up on what happened with the mage hunt. Before we go though, Arkus you should take Mordre up on his offer to implant a Deep Spawn in your blood. It will be good for you.
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No. 298732 ID: 4a3736

Mordre.

We got Deep Spawn to make, people to contact, and... plotting to do.

So. Much. Plotting.
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No. 298735 ID: 489566

Arkus, because we've never really seen his daily business and I'm interested.
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No. 298739 ID: bc5a36

Arkus, yo! Let's help our little bro out!
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No. 298741 ID: 5b95eb

Go find out how to make more Morphic Steel.
I'm surprised you haven't by now!
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No. 298742 ID: cf5146

Getting a quick status update from Mordre would be nice then right back to Arkus for more researches.
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No. 298752 ID: 097e6e

Hmm, since the remote golem control rune chain requires too much energy of you to be practical for all by the most basic commands, perhaps you can inscribe (a) rune(s) to ease the strain of the runes place upon you onto the Small Tomb? Something like runes drawing Order into the golem, cementing both Ownership and the ease of controlling the golem, and perhaps providing a minor link connecting you to the golem that your remote golem control System runes can build a base upon, maybe? The runes probably should go inside the golem, which would require Kyorto's or Mordre's assistance.

...Considering the temporary nature of your free floating runes, could you Restrict yourself so that you cannot manipulate reality through magic in any way (which includes Rune magic, and magical items) except for that one rune matrix you inscribe onto the Small Tomb, you can only inscribe that rune matrix onto that particular Small Tomb containing a fragment of Thromo's soul and then only once, for only a certain short period of time (like only this day, or this hour or some amount of hours); maybe even Restrict yourself to only be able to inscribe a single rune in that rune matrix, allowing the rune chain to collapse before inscribing the next rune, which is the only rune you can inscribe, and so on. Essentially, piling a truly ridiculous amounts of Restrictions onto yourself (or just onto your System runes enhancing your magical workings) so that it would be effectively impossible to even work out a way you could do anything else save for one thing in exchange for extreme power and skill at that one highly specific thing, but relying on the temporary nature of your System runes to ensure that you can do other things after the task; if you ever heard Kyorto talk about Mordecai's Soul Chaos magic, this use of System runes is a method of replicating the effects of that.

Make some time to work on Mordre's faux-body, doing what you can to enhance it; if the Soul Chaos effect via System runes idea works out, you could probably enhance everything you worked on there, and possibly what Kyorto did as well.

Also, make sure that people don't freak out over the golem's action--from their perspective, it started doing things of its own free will, indicating that it is Anathema--and that such it entirely your doing. Since no one approached you yet about the issue, it can be safely assumed that they know it is not something to be worried about, but better safe than sorry.

You still have to contact Ellayia, in keeping with the charge placed upon you by Mordre to keep in touch with her, unless that is part of your daily routine; there isn't anything specific from the information given, so any meaningful communication would be accidental, though.

And then you would probably want to continue the 'compiling findings, extracting information acceptable for publication, report on findings' project for the Mortal Coil that Mordre gave you.

Once that is done (or, more likely, once you are thoroughly bored with it and thus, put it off for tomorrow), work on some other personal projects in that time you can squeeze in between work on Mordre's projects; perhaps you can look up on how to Alchemical enhancements? It would make it easier to stay up late and wake up early, and your internal System would presumably be quite useful in saturating your body with magic.

>Possible Perspective Shift
Eh, I suppose switching to Mordre is alright.
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No. 298762 ID: a6ba65

Mordre. Arkus does fine on his own.

Last minute thoughts for Arkus: on the subject of the Mortal Coil... keep putting them off, but don't close up communication. Communicate without saying anything of worth; assure them that you and your 'master' are currently working to further understanding on golem-control and advanced techno-magic farming (or something else suitably non-threatening), and you will (may) be willing to publish when you have completed your research. Also, any word on the Repository?

Do we have anybody that's particularly diplomatic? Dregas, maybe, if we can spare him. We need to at least get the ball rolling on peace talks with Mahnlea and the Golden League, maybe even Castiliathen (fuck those guys, but we need to at least seem like we're making an effort). And to hammer out that mutual trade/aid treaty with Gialgorra, although Mordre should probably handle that one himself.

For Mordre, in order of what I feel is descending importance:
- Check in with Ellayia. If she isn't busy, ask if she does a sideline in treasure hunting to go along with spying and assassination. The Gaze of Gavrock is out there, on one of the unpopulated Gialgorra islands, and Lorgk needs it before the Red Comet comes calling. Failing that, have her look into Mosmordren soul graves and small tombs produced towards the end of the war - particularly, any venerated ones, as those might contain Thomro fragments.
- Figure out how to send yourself into your Soul Eden. Partly to remind Goran that you are still king, and partly to see if your other Heroics are chilling in there, an easier way of talking to them. Plus, Chronal Banditry/Inverted Chronal Banditry on the souls in there could have... interesting results. See if picking out our few allied souls in there (from Lubu's army or the State's slain) and manifesting them results in a more powerful Faith soldier (not having to spend energy to illusion them onto our side and all).
- Check in with the Drazken. Is the North united? If so: send Reaping Thunder Shadow to Oz to learn Ghosthand. Are they doing better with farming techniques, or are the curatio/pomumancy followers enabling a surplus of food? If so: send Welgahoo to start returning the area around Kyorto's tower to pre-Curse footing. Can they spare some of the younger tribesmen? If so: send them to help extend our reach into Domintus lands quicker, perhaps headed by the Sons of Mordre.
- Make a little time for Moss, we haven't hung out with him recently. Maybe take it with you and visit the Sphere yourself. The Sphere is tapping Weinsho and Domintus right now, right? Can Moss hook itself into the Sphere too, and either absorb or donate energy?
- Reinhardt!
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No. 298768 ID: 63fc62

>>298718
Well since Bang isn't going to be in the sphere for a while- Now is the time to make a much needed change in the Ark Ascendant. You managed to work out the basics of extra dimensional storage when working on the Omni-sheath, could you make something similar to aid in Mordre's ruse? I speak of an extra dimension space inhabitable by humans- Ideally it would be placed in the center of the Ark Ascendant where Kenghexion's former throne resides. We have Kaisera as a control to test against- could we(with proper restrictions) create such a space that could be shielded from those that can see magic? This way we could introduce the Ark as Mage Mordre's "House"- but to people who would question our story like Bang, we can simply say the space he lives in is a multi dimensional anchor and while people can percieve what the inside of Mordre's house looks like and physically interact with us and the residents of Mordre's house, his real dwelling as far as we will let on; remains sadly outside of their grasp.
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No. 298772 ID: a19b93

Mordre
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No. 298779 ID: 097e6e

>>298762
>ideas on the core of magical research
To modify and expand on your idea, perhaps "The Magic of the World: The Interactions of Technology and Magic Upon Its Environs"? Though that is probably Mage Mordre's work; Arkus' would probably focus on runes and World Magic.

>Gaze of Gavrock
Yeah, it probably should be obtained relatively quickly; preferably, Ellayia would only track it down. Retrieval would fall under Burduko (and then Mordre, if killing is required).

>Entering Soul Eden
It is most likely paranoia, but I suspect that entering the Soul Eden counts as actively possessing it, though not actually controlling it, which might be something better avoided.

>Ugrokk sent to learn Ghosthand
Pretty sure that he simply can't learn Ghosthand; at least, not without changing paradigms: from what I can tell, Shamans fight with magic, Warriors (which is what Ugrokk is) do not fight with magic, they fight with pure physical strength and skill. Lorgk is the only exception in the Drazken, and he only did so when prompted by us.

However, maybe Ugrokk could learn/create a variant of the Ghosthand and Breaker styles more suited to his subtle and finesse based fighting style that looks to be developing into revolving around the use of technology, instead of Oz's purely magic-based styles revolving around brute force; my idea is that Ugrokk learns how to fuse himself--both his body and soul--with his armaments (Ghosthand for The Whispering Grasp and Breaker for everything else). Essentially, turning himself into a pseudo-Small Tomb, except that his soul can still grow because it is still in the original body, and Breaker allows him to assimilate metals and gems into his body to improve the composition of his body. Possibly, once he learns enough about his new body, along with the designs the Drazken crafters create, he might be able to do something like Bang and just create new weapons and capabilities on the fly. As a bonus, maybe, would be that Ugrokk would be able to help the forgers with how to forge the best metal and in what fashion.

It might actually be better if Jojo or some shaman with a severed limb go to learn: they are the ones who are familiar with Combat Magic, and they would be better suited to identifying, understanding, and learning the magic styles to integrate into the Unified Magic Theory and Universal Magic Language the Drazken shamans are working on.

>Curse mucking up the fertility of the Cursed Lands
Is this something revealed in IRC, or am I just unobservant? As I understand it, the Cursed Lands are perfectly fertile, it is just that monsters (both animal and plant) are suitably dangerous enough to prevent safe reclamation by most, and of those that could, none are particularly interested in putting in the effort and power into render safe all those monsters. Welgahoo wouldn't do anything other than make the monstrous plants grow faster, and maybe make a particular area more verdant.

Anyways, I think Welgahoo would be better put to ensuring the quick growth and good health of the crops in the State (which, I believe, is the task Welgahoo is working one currently). And, I am pretty sure that we do not have the large population necessary to recolonize the Cursed Lands yet. That should probably wait until the Drazken reaches the multiple thousands.

>United Frostback Mountains, Drazken sending out warriors for us
If they could, it might be helpful in pacifying the Disciples; for the most skilled, clearing out a small area in the Cursed Lands of monsters (backed by Mordre, as course, as monsters who have survived this long should be pretty powerful/tricky/both and thus, too much for even the skilled Drazken warriors) for later colonization sounds like it might be a good idea too.

Also, if Mordre has the time, hunting down Yetis and eating their souls (and learning more about their genetic spell equations from their bodies) sounds like a truly excellent idea. If Mordre can possess multiple bodies at the same time, then time could probably be made: multi-task Yeti Genocide and State Administration. Would help with the unity front as well.

>Moss
Yeah, probably. We don't want it wandering off and following some other person.

>Reinhardt
I presume the Order of Harmonious Discord is included with Reinhardt as well. Again, dealing with them should be a relatively high priority.

>>298768
That sounds like it might be a good idea, though I dislike that the Dionepans (...I think I am just going to refer to them as Arkians, to differentiate them from those living on Dionepa) aren't considered, since they are living there permanently and their fanaticism would probably unnerve/offend many of the visitors that we would want to fall for Mordre's ruse.

Though, a suggestion for Arkus: your blood generates World magic in addition to Blood Magic, correct? As the amount of Blood Magic generated increases in proportion to the amount of blood in your pool of generators, could you not work out a method of creating a store of flowing blood in extra-dimensional space, anchored to a magical item if you cannot anchor it to yourself, so that more Blood and World energy is produced for your pool of available magic? It would allow you to experiment to determine whether it is only the blood originating from your body that contributes to your World magic generation or not (if the spilled blood taken from others, maybe from hospitals from their surgery or from other places like the Drazken, does not increase your generation of World magic, then it would be evident that you need to learn how to do Curatiomancy based rune chains to allow you to quickly produce lots of blood in a short amount of time to obtain the amounts necessary to fill that particular item up).
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No. 298791 ID: 5b95eb

Also, Arkus, try not to get eaten by Moss. How is the little bugger doing?

And how are those trees he planted, way back when?
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No. 298876 ID: a6ba65

>>298779
> Is this something revealed in IRC, or am I just unobservant?
As I remember it, it was tossed back and forth on IRC. The plan was to have a place to invite the Morgren - life golems that worked for the Mosmordren Empire back in the day; basically Premen crossed with gorilla and rhino - so that would take care of the settler issue. We wanted them out of sight (since they're strong but linked to Mosmordre), and we wanted an area for ourselves anyway that worked like the eye of the storm - a calm area surrounded by a cordon of dangerous beasts and weird Cursed Lands shit to discourage adventurers and nosy neighbors.

I think the warring clans of Morgren are so the southeast of the Cursed Lands, but don't quote me on that. They're a might-makes-right sort of group, but I think Mordre can safely show them who's boss.
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No. 298890 ID: 6a1753

I would like to give some last thoughts to Arkus before the shift.

Arkus, consider Mordre's reasoning in regard to the deep spawn implantation. Has he ever forced his will to any nonviolent sentient being into slavery? Even to his enemys he has not enslaved. Has he ever denied empowerment of his followers? No, he has encouraged it. In less time it takes to drop a hat he has given away thousands of marks for little more than whims of the asked, knowing, full well that such investments are worth the trust and reliability it builds. Has his efforts and ambitions not lead you to greater personal growth than you ever thought possible? In all this has he EVER knowingly put you in harms way without absolute necessity? The price of the deep spawn cores are high and despite this he volunteers it to you. Why do you fear it so? The deep spawn are beings of magic, you of all people must see the opportunitys in having one one bound to you. How can you deny the opportunity to unravel the secrets of their magic? Despite what you may think, Mordre is not trying to enslave you. He is GIVING you one of his most precious possessions for little more than the hope you will be strengthened by it. More than that he is asking you for his trust. You are the Only one he can trust with this. For you more than anyone else he would fight and sacrifice for.


Unriddle the deep spawn secrets. Take a leap of faith in the trust Mordre has given and shown you so many times. Find security in the protection that Mordre will give should ANYTHING go wrong.


Take the challenge Arkus.
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No. 298918 ID: 63fc62

>>298890
You know, I think the whole Deep-spawn denial issue is a matter of pride. Arkus has already made it clear that he does not enjoy the power gap between himself and Mordre, so let's remedy that. Arkus should seek apprenticeship from the administrators- I know, I KNOW. Arkus is the mortal manifestation of their worst enemy, but look at it this way: Despite the current nature of his existence, Arkus is the best insurance the administrators have against the caged one. In all honesty, Arkus is the lesser of ALL evils for our demonic denizens of the deep. I mean, which of these would they rather have to deal with:

The caged one, who hates them and humanity and makes escape attempts every waking moment of every day and generally makes their lives a living hell?

OR

Arkus. A level headed magically talented individual who, if cultivated and taught properly by the administrators, could become a greater asset to the growth, prosperity and overall survivability of Zakrath and all its inhabitants- Not to mention more likely to co-operate with the administators instead of causing maginovathrowing hissy-fit tantrums.
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No. 298936 ID: d429c4
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298936

Voting Mordre

When there, several plans that he should try:

Restrict your golem body to only use Chronomancy for defence and perception.

Go to the Sphere, and use amplified Curiatomancy to grow a human body, and then the Inverted Immortal Genocide to implant a single Belief Solider inside. This should allow that soul solider to live again. If this works, you should use what you know of Death Belief to perform a great ritual sacrifice of your willing worshippers, before absorbing their souls into your Soul Eden, and then later reincarnating them in upgraded versions of their old bodies, fully upgraded with your Blood Magic and Curiatomancy.

Keddic learned to extend his soul extra-dimensionally – with the Soul Eden, you should find it possible to do something similar. Channel your growing soul so that the bulk of it sits in the gateway to the Soul Eden, alongside the Administrators. Be careful to leave some of it across the boundary inside your original body. Then, practice creating and reabsorbing Belief Soldiers and Belief Golems. These constructs of souls and belief are sub-partitions of your Soul Eden and hence still connected to you. You are a Soul Parasite, and you should make use of your abilities. Explore the connection to these partitions, and once more, extend your soul along them. You can then use your Soul Parasitism to assume direct control of them, hijacking their energy and thinking capacity to serve as parallel instances of your consciousness, just another part of the greater whole. With this accomplished, you should try infusing one of these directly partitions into other bodies, so you can control multiple forms simultaneously.

Whilst the above method works for bodies that you may want to discard at some point, you probably also want to form more permanent links between your most important bodies. The key to this is to create a network of Soul Edens that you own. You can then extend your soul along these permanent links of the network, and into the physical seats of the Soul Edens.

You need to master the Sphere, to indelibly assert your Ownership of it. You should perform the above procedures on it, if you can, and then implant a Deep Spawn in what is hopefully your new body. This Deep Spawn should be appropriately restricted to serve you. If you do manage to possess the Sphere as a second body, you should use your magic to enhance it as much as possible. Use your Curiatomancy to grow a set of giant brains to improve your ability to think, and a vast circulatory system throughout the Sphere, to make it an immensely powerful reservoir of Blood Magic. You should build two such systems, one for red, and one for White Blood.

Weinsho remains uneaten. This is possibly the best purpose to put the Death Belief that the sacrifices described at the top would generate. You should combine the above plans. When you have possessed the Sphere, you should perform the augmentations required to make it an organic Soul Grave and Magic Eater. Then you transport it so that it is bathed in the unowned Lyeline Geyser you had found for you, and just as the Sphere's magic reserves are full, have the sacrifices reach their crescendo, and have the Sphere - you eat Weinsho's soul, as the golem-you uses Amplified Soul Magic to prevent him from resisting, as well as stealing time from him to slow down his pulses. The surge of Death Belief from the sacrifices should be timed to be exactly out of phase with the pulses Weinsho generates, so that they are cancelled out, allowing him to be eaten. The Belief Golems you form from your worshippers can guide him into your waiting maw (as shown.)
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No. 298947 ID: d429c4

>>298936
When I say Belief Golem/Solider, I mean Faith Golem/Solider.
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No. 298951 ID: a6ba65

Few random thoughts in the hope of a PS, now that we're back with Mordre (if we are): looking back over Dionepa, the area is a lot like the Cursed Lands when the leylines went wild.

So my guess is that sometime in the past, the entire world was like that. Maybe it was the result of one of the Caged One's plans, or just bad luck, or who knows what. The two continents tried different tactics to halt the eruption of chaotic leyline energies; for us, the Administrators came into being and police the leylines. For Dionepa, all they could do was create the Roots to plug the gaps.

My prediction is that if we become a Scientomancer or Administrator in truth, we could return to Dionepa and take command of the leyline systems there, and battle the Spheregods that way, by depriving them of their power.

On the subject of Ellayia, we have a few competing theories. One: she body jumps using True Word to escape the Caged One the way that other mage escaped from us. Not much proof of this, although she did seem to like our library while she was here. Two: She uses soul magic; considering she is an immortal that almost certainly predates the ban, this seems likely. Three: She is an actual soul parasite like us, maybe a slice of the Caged One, or a proto-Administrator without the restrictions they labor under, considering she knows about Deep Spawn. Or hell, since I'm throwing out crazy guesses, a parasite formed from or to help prevent paradox from or by Arcturto Fissykus. He must have SOME way of avoiding paradox with all his chronomancy shenanigans, there might be ways to shunt it to someone or something else. She might also just be one of the Administrator's agents who trades technology she's stolen for secrets or her immortality itself. In any of these situations, she can do more for us than assassination and thievery, if we can offer her enough in return. We should be able to use our neophyte understanding of chronomancy and soul magic to examine her soul and determine if it is ancient or new, like us.

Incidentally, we thought Dolrick was the one to sell State and Gialgorra tech to the State-area Administrator, but if the latter suppositions on Ellayia are right, it was probably her.
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No. 298964 ID: 0fb2ef

>I have administrative duties for the Arcanoworks as the State Mage in charge of it.
*Begin organizing the Arcanoworks so they can operate at peak efficiency.
*Start organizing and catalog the books and information into an easy to search library.
*Study the top floor of the Kyogrock Arcanoworks.
>I am in co-command of all hand-cannon production with Del Rogo.
*Start trying attempting to tie Glyphs to hand-cannons.
*Learn practical runing from Del Rogo.
*Begin an assembly line to increase production.
---If there already is an assembly line, use Golem Control to operate Golem assembly line.
>I am in co-command with Jezebel of the Golem Armor modifications.
*Employ Del Rogo in aiding Golem Armor crafting.
*Start attempting to tie Glyphs to Golem Armor.
*Begin an assembly line.
*Start experimenting on making Golem Armor operate on its own, without the use of Soul Magic.
>Mordre wants me to get Kaisera involved in creating a unified Magic theory to somehow exploit her vision.
*Teach Kaisera the Language of Magic.

>Begin cultivating a cult of personality inside the Capital for both Mordre and yourself.
*Begin your cult among the mages in the Capital.
*Begin Mordre's cult in the slums of the Capital.
*Choose a 'Prophet' of Mordre within the slums.
> Begin studying macro-scale rune study.
*Set aside a wide field to practice macroscale runes
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No. 298980 ID: 5b95eb

Also, ask around through Phohn how to make another layer on the tower, and then do it.
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No. 299236 ID: 159ffc

Attempting for a Pristine Soul.

First Black Steel is created by imbuing steel with Blood Iron from the bodies of those people harvested to make a Soul Grave as their souls are ground away. We also got hints the making of a Soul Grave is quite torturous for the harvetsed. Second we learned recently the closer, and more often, a person experiences death, the stronger their Death Belief gets. Combine those and we get Black steel is made with Blood Iron seeped in Death Belief.

We also learned making Necronostrium requires year long torment and deaths for thousands of people, and even then the yield is very low. So Necronostrium has to be as close as achieveable to Death Belief manifested physically.

Now my prediction is that by accumulating Death Belief in Sable Executioner, we will eventually be able to turn it's Black Steel, at least the saturated Blood Iron, to Necronostrium. We can achieve this either directly by untold numbers of killing people or indirectly by spreading the belief Sable Executioner is an avatar of death's scythe.

Second, we have seen Goran use disBelief during the fight in the Soul Eden to combat Trollzaru's Belief in his ability to eat. That suggests Belief is complete under inversion, as the anti-partner, like Order/Chaos, for Belief is disBelief, which itself is Belief, too. As a result I predict we will make killing Wensho stick when our Belief in his death by our hand can overwhelm his disBelief of his death.

Also the crtic told us the universe seeks balance and we had plenty encounters with Death Belief. Since Death and Life are complementary, mirroring concepts, I postulate there should be something like Life Belief, too. I think we have seen it in use with some Dragons and some of the once-mortal Immortals. I believe the growth through adversity, pitching Soul against Soul, Keddic and Bang practise is one expression of Life Belief. Now for the prediction(s), the Soul Eden will prove to be a source of Life Belief and using Blood Iron cycled though our Soul edge we will be able to make the Life Belief equivalent of Black Steel.

I also think the metall Bobobo said only got invented shortly before the end of the universe is involved with Life Belief. Either it is Life Belief manifested physically or a combination of manifetsed Life and Death belief.
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No. 299278 ID: a76809

>>299236
[Can't Pristine Soul when not Mordre, but assumed meant for when back as Mordre.]

[Semi-announcement-having a bit of writer's block in Golem Quest right now-hope to update in next day or so.]
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No. 299364 ID: cc639d

Pristine Soul attempt for Mordre.
There is Black Steel, Steel of Illness and Rot. There is Blue Steel, Steel of protection. There is Red Steel, Steel of Destruction. There is Necronostrium - Steel of Death, concentrated Black Steel.
There can be White Steel, Steel of Life. Bang can forge it, by inscribing Curatiomancy into normal, Base Steel
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No. 299479 ID: 53859d

I hope nobody minds if this newcomer to the thread makes a few guesses here and there. I've had a few ideas rattling around in my head after reading the story from top-to-bottom, and I'm not sure if anyone's really addressed them (Or if I'm just forgetting crucial bits of intel anyway :( )

I'm curious--how many 'Anathema' actually have occurred in history? The fact that so many disparate countries all share the same belief that it's a Horrible, Bad Thing is suspect. You've got the Paradox Knights as seemingly being all self-willed Golems to some extent or another.

It just strikes me as standing out. The Land of Dragons is big on everyone being enormously strong, combat and warfare--and has a lot of respect for ancestors inhabiting Small Tombs--yet despite all of that, it's still hinted that they'd go apeshit on a self-willed Golem. Why? It can't be that common of an occurrence that there would be a Zero Tolerance Policy in a place that isn't even connected to most of the rest of the continent.

Simply put, it looks like there's shenanigans going on with that--that someone's actively spreading the meme (And therefore Belief) that self-willed Golems are inherently evil and mad... Which makes our increasing reliance on Belief to be a double-edged sword. If Mordre's nature becomes known enough to become viral, then a meme that strong will force him to lose most of his greatest advantages (His intellect, his capacity to care for his followers, and anything outside of the Anathema meme).

Plus, there's the Paradox Knights being self-willed Golems as well, and having some pretty extensive influence on top of that. And they're also Sufficiently Omniscient that they can pinpoint Mordre having a meeting with a Deep Spawn Administrator--and immediately assume that he's Up To Something as a result, Reinhardt storms in, and we're within a few inches of getting the Secret blown open. Yet it's so-far been pretty common knowledge among the Power Players that the Deep Spawn are all about managing the System--and maintaining the System is in everyone's best interests--so why does Reinhardt go apeshit over Mordre meeting with one?

CONCLUSION: The Paradox Knights (And by extension, their backers) are one of Mordre's greatest potential threats--having what amounts to a kill-switch for his ambitions (Calling him Anathema, and using their impressive influence to make that title stick, would do some pretty terrible things due to his increasing reliance on Belief). Yet we know /Fuck All/ about their ambitions, save that they apparently consider a Sapient Golem meeting with a Deep Spawn Administrator to be a /Bad Thing/. We need to get some more intel on them though, because we've been remarkably slack about paying attention to them, just because Reinhardt may be somewhat managed. I suspect they may, in fact, be allowing Mordre to operate for now in order to set up another "Anathema Catastrophy" in order to strengthen the meme moreso--because all they need to do now is unmask him (Or flip my theorized Kill-Switch), and you've got another disaster that justifies the point of view.

More Intel is /Very Much Needed/
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No. 299534 ID: a76809

>>298752
...Hm. I spend a few hours cross-referencing only occassionally as I inscribe a few runes forming a partial Possession mechanism, building an anchor for my Tractomantic freerune remote control attempts-If I build a better reciever for the orders, I'll need less power to send them-or so my theory goes. After making my augment I perform a simple test-and find the energy drain largely undiminished once distance is restored-but there is a difference. Taking this as proof positive of my theory, I go directly to the hypothetical end of the scaling argument-and approach Mordre and Kyorto alike with my plan. When I explain its for research to actually achieve remote golem manipulation, I have Mordre (In that creepily un-creepy stocky-and-going-to-seed 'real' body) and Kyorto at my side in a little under six seconds. The next four hours are spent peeling apart Thomro's small tomb, layering every square inch of its every interior and inner layer with more and more runes, building a more easily reached subject and a more efficient means of recycling my power-contact will be both easier to achieve and to sustain. Kyorto, with Bobobo's aid, inscribes a few Tractomantic runes here and there that drastically cut down on the impact of distance-or so she claims, before she and Mordre close the tomb back up, and tell me to get back to work before promptly departing.

...Well, I can effectively practice indefinitely now if I don't let the golem go too far-but I need to make MY free-runing more capable, not the golem.

So I take a look at restrictions. My free-runes are completely transient-once I stop supplying power to them, anything they were sustaining ceases to exist. Obviously this is separate of warping something's physical structure and binding new magic to existing runes-but that shouldn't matter for this. I tentatively start layering them on, Restrictive bindings to my working... The spell can only be used to target the one particular golem... the spell can only be sustained with world and blood magic.... on and on I bind and restrict, until five minutes later, I tentatively try to command Thomro (having been transported by Burduko to the Land of Dragons) to raise his right hand-

Burduko returns with my golem before I finish the thought, transporting the golem at the pre-arrange hand-raising signal, bringing evidence my message reached the distance-

And I consumed a marginally greater amount of magic than I did when commanding the golem from across the Arcanoworks.

I take my new findings and open a new branch of notes, estimating I'll have them comprehensive enough and simultaneously paired down for coherent recording in three days-yet another wing of the Universal magic theory research.... I wonder how many tomes I shall fill on that.


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[DAY 204: DAY 4 OF CYCLE 3 OF MONTH 7]
[Washiday of the Third Cycle of Malanius]



..................................................................[PERSPECTIVE SHIFT: Mordre ..................................................................

In my body of flesh, Life Golem skin and muscle over a Wood golem organ system, Clay golem circulatory system, Stone golem bones and highly specialized Small Tomb braincase and spinal column, I send signals through the interwoven layers of existence, wondering if this sensation matches that of actual living nerves, an idle eye catching my fingers tapping away on the desk before me. Appearing 'in the flesh' at the daily meetings has seemed to streamline things-and by only appearing 'in person' at them and a few carefully pre-arranged public events, I get to keep using the Soul Eden as my primary seat of existence, everyone assuming it is for personal security and to further my research. I try to squeeze more simultaneous contemplations into the microsecond, but sadly this form has no quasi-extradimensional spell matrices to aid in computing, and operating wholly on the power of my self-made soul requires far more finesse then I previously surmised. So I redirect my attention to Dregas' report-

>[Dregas]"-o while the Mahnlea mountains shipping companies have universally profitted from Castiliathen's war on Athelens, their profit should be short term-if the conflict drags out their trade will crash as supplies are depleted. Estimating similar levels of growth over such timetables, given our debt is now down to half a million Marks with every civil service repaired to pristine condition along the way, we should have sufficient funds to buy out more than half of the Mahnlea shipping companies-further establishing dominance in the realms of trade and shipping."

Above my waist-long, torso-fanning beard, a salt and pepper tangle of curls, beneath my short-cropped snow-white hair, one sharply arched eyebrow quirks as I turn towards Ulzrick and Dolrick, here to deliver reports from the Second State of Azelhaedra, the controlled portions of what was once the lands of Domintus, now having been subsumed by our soldiers and the Golden League, with few independent pockets left.

"And the Second State?"
>[Ulzrick]"Personally I can only comment on the eastern front-as you well know, I've been occupied dealing with the Golden League's mercenaries. We have established a demilitarized zone, but I am confident we can push to the very edge of that zone when establishing finite borders."
>[Dolrick]"The Western front is proceeding more slowly than would be hoped for-but given that Jak Strife has made his home there for the moment, the going is tough. And no, he has not stayed on the field for any appreciable time, even though he has demonstrated he can still operate the appropriated Golem Armor."

General Carkiano's fist thumps down on the table as he snarls out his own few words.
>[Carkiano]"The SWINE! Just give me the word, I'll bring our entire army down on his head and make him pay for his insolence."
>[Dolrick]"As I am no doubt sure Councilor Prime Mordre would tell you, since we have not identified any holding point or in fact anything remotely like a home base he remains a roving nuisance, gone before any considerable forces can be turned his way. I've had the chance to take the field against him.... twice... and he's proven untractable."
>[Carkiano]"What, like you thought YOU could kill the Golem Slayer? Save that for bruisers like Sir Keddic or Mages Mordre, Bang or Eisenhardt."
>[Dolrick]"...Given I could not best him-something I did not expect-perhaps I should take your advise.

I silence the two before their bickering can go further with naught but a glare as I turn to Eisenhardt and Del Rogo-quite possibly the two fastest friends I have ever seen.

"How fares the project?"
>[Del Rogo]"Look, yeh jus DON' fekkin say 'oh la lah, let's stick all these things together, make the best thing ever' and have it magically work, alright? Yeh gave us a piss-hard job, an-"
>[Eisenhardt]"What I believe my esteemed colleague is trying to convey is that beyond the fact we are trying to unify the research of every Research outpost to create a new State standard and wholly unique unversal soldier golem armor, the fact several of the outposts are at any given time updating their contributions list-well, the problem is quite multi-faceted, and if you want any hope to have something that won't break like glass before what Jak stole, then you'll simply have to wait, I'm afraid."
"Ellayia?"
>[Ellayia]"The shell of Gavrock is elusive as ever-nothing new on the home front-Buuuuuuuuuut, Good old Keddic's been making major ground on advancing his family-too well, actually. Word is that the Castiliathen royal family's gonna do something about that, though I haven't been able to discern just what-still, the High King is known for his rather thorough crushing of those he deems 'uppity' so I'd advise caution."
"Arkus?"
>[Arkus]"We've finished the 'renovations' to the Ark Ascendent-I'd say you can finally have non-magical visitors in without worrying they'll muck something up. Also the Mortal Coil called again-but what's new? Anway, is my portion of this done, I got a whole MESS of work to.... I'll wait I'm sorry."



Hmmm...... what to order, how to run this nation of mine......
It is good to be king-even if my title indicates otherwise.







What should I do?
In order, what are my priorities for the next few days?
What should I personally do, and what tasks should I assign to my followers (knowing assigning such will likely slow down their endeavors)?
[GAME DAYS TILL BANG BOOM TIME RUCKUS: 006]
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No. 299541 ID: ba6280

Not immediately related to our current business, and partially theoretical, so low/medium priority.

Mordre should see about calling Dr. Gialgorra to see if he has any Lortoxite.
I sincerely doubt he was able to acquire the exact amount needed whenever he built C.A.N.T.I.'s drill, and with the material being as rare and valuable as it is, he may still be sitting on a some.

If/Once we get our hands on some, we can presumably use pristine souls in the same way we did with the deep spawn blood iron to magnify the benefit of integrating it into Mordre's body. Now that we're host to an afterlife, the security of that afterlife should be a close tie with the security of our existence in our priorities. A shell of unobtanium-deluxe should go a long way towards keeping the Belief engine safe.

Alternatively, and this I am not sure would work at all, perhaps we could rebuild our over armor as a deep spawn, and see if it could magnify/multiply the Lortoxite used. The concept of shell revolving around protection and preservation, or something like that.
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No. 299553 ID: 097e6e

...I thought that Mordre knew that the Shell of Gavrock's location was already known, since Gialgorra was working to integrate it into the Slayer's Bastion; while Lorgk went to Gialgorra because of the attempt by Trollzaru to wipe out either its Yeti clan or the Drazken (or both), that event shouldn't have changed by The Critic's modifications to the timeline, should it? As Lorgk passed by Mordre during the Soul Grave's upgrade period where it gained flight capability and mind-shielding, if Mordre remembers that event (or the memory banks of the Soul Eden retain that event), or Lorgk/Phohn confirms that Gialgorra is/was working on upgrading the Slayer's Bastion with the Shell, Mordre can safely take Ellayia off of the Search for the Shell mission; if so, put her searching for the Gaze of Gavrock instead. If not, perhaps Gialgorra still has the Shell, and would still integrate it into the Slayer's Bastion?

Also, on eating Weinsho, would doing the same thing with Trollzaru allow the Soul Eden to consume Weinsho? That is, using Severance magic, from the Golden Axe, to cut up Weinsho's soul into small, eatable pieces and then allow the soul pieces to recombine in the Soul Eden, at which point the spell matrices within the Soul Eden take over and bind Weinsho.

As for personal upgrades, does the Mage Mordre body allow Mordre to learn new how to use new magic sources? If so, then perhaps Mordre should learn how to access Word as a magic source, and perhaps improve upon World so that there is no reliance on nearby Leylines needed for World magic? Arkus' lessons on Word magic to the Arkians demonstrate that Word is not a hard source to learn to tap: apparently, Arkus felt comfortable with the Arkians' progress on Word in five hourse. Trying to learn how to better tap into magic sources should, of course, be in private, so as to not compromise the Mage Mordre persona...

Also, since dragon mating season is in session (according to Lubu's comment, anyways), perhaps Mordre, in the Soul Eden, venture into a True mountain in a dragon hunt, to harvest dragon Blood Iron and dragon bone carbon; if Nidhogg is available, then add empower Nidhogg's dragon host to the list of objectives? There should be more of the younger dragons, so there shouldn't be too much danger; also, as this would be a Mordre and possibly Nidhogg mission, and in a place Burduko would be familiar with, there is also a near-instant teleportation exit if things become too dangerous to continue.

In addition (or in replacement if things do not work out), perhaps hunting Yetis in the Frostback Mountains, for the Soul Mages and their enigmatic 'genetic spell equations' (and souls in general, along with helping solidifying Drazken control over the north) would be a good idea?
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No. 299557 ID: 2071d2

>I try to squeeze more simultaneous contemplations into the microsecond, but sadly this form has no quasi-extradimensional spell matrices to aid in computing, and operating wholly on the power of my self-made soul requires far more finesse then I previously surmised.

Well, running a country goes a bit above my head, but this problem sounds easy enough to solve. Spend some free time with the new body picking knowledge out of your soul grave regarding Ingimancy, with some Curatiomancy/Pomumancy (wait, wood golem? seriously?) thrown in to keep yourself running smoothly. Specialize your Ingnimancy towards sensing electricity; pretty soon you'll be able to sense nerve signals as they form, and recreate them wherever they'll eventually end up. That could lead to perception and reflexes would be nigh-impossible to beat, even better than Senth/Jak teleporting his nerve signals around. Just waiting around for the electricity to mosey its way up to the brain is so much more inefficient, isn't it? Why wait, when you could be running at the speed of your soul? Sure, it would probably be somewhat costly in magic, but it isn't like we lack power (hopefully).

Build a sufficiently detailed map of your physical brain's thinking patterns and then "outsource" your desired computations to the Soul Grave's spell matrices, then plug them back into your brain when the soul grave gives you the All Done signal. That could also give the added bonus of confusing mind-readers or electricity-sensors, since you'll seemingly be pulling complex thoughts or calculations out of thin air (much like Bang does, really).

Basically, use your soul grave's free computing capacity as a partial Prosthetic Thinking-Brain Golem. Heh.
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No. 299558 ID: a6ba65

So Arcturo is going to bring the hammer down on the Harksburton. Keddic is in for an unpleasant surprise when he gets back from the LoD, I imagine.

Well, no use trying to hide your light under a bushel and hope Arcturo decides to forgive and forget. We can try and throw Jeeba at him if Dompaggio has unearthed anything, prove their loyalty and all, but I kinda doubt it'll work.

So, a couple points. First, we definitely should give Keddic a heads up so he isn't going to walk into a trap. Second... we could cut losses and run. But the Harksburton aren't going to want to abandon their pride and ancestral home, we'd have to be damn persuasive. I'm sure it's written somewhere that A Harksburton Does Not Run Away.

Which means we brazen it out. Turn the Harksburton home into as much of a fortress as possible, no one goes out without an escort to be picked off, draw all the family back and defend the homestead. Don't let him pull anything.

The royals' plan may just be to fabricate some evidence and tear down the Harksburton's reputation, in which case there's not much we (Dom) can do until after the fact. They might get some absurd task that they seem destined to fail, in which case we help them under the radar and otherwise cheat like mad. But it might just be something a little nastier. Arcturo might give the covert sanction to Jeeba's family or some other to attack us free of repercussions. It might be Arcturo himself.

If it's the last (and worst) option, isn't it so that all Castiliathen families are ultimately descended from Arcturo the Chronomancer? It seems like the family's mastery of Blood magic should be able to use that somehow; symnpathetic resonances, or some such.
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No. 299568 ID: d4f98d

GLKE! We have a kickass Mage Persona Body! FUCK YEAH.

How went the venture against the word mage? And how did Ellaiya end up knowing our secret?

Also...

FUCK YES.

First:

"Carkiano, believe me, I understand your...frustration with our good Mr. Stryfe. However, sheer force of arms will not yield much in the way of positive results on that front. His power lay twofold, once in the strength of his arms and trinkets, and once in the fact that we just don't have a damned clue where the rascal secretes himself when he isn't being an insufferable lout. Until we can get a leg up on him information-wise, he'll just keep on doing what he does so well...bringing you one step closer to a rage-induced stroke.

I think a more subtle approach would do good." Glance at Ellayia.

Second:

"Regarding the project, that's just fine. I already know it'll get done, and done well, there's no hurrying craftsmanship."

Regarding Ellayia's info:

"Thats...troubling, but good to know. Better forewarned and forearmed when forsaken. I'll have to have a chat with Keddic, then."

"As for the last..." *Rub your temples* "I suppose I can't just keep giving them the run-around. I'm not looking forward to this one. What exactly did they say this time? As colorful as their last missive I take it?"
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No. 299569 ID: d4f98d

Regarding Harksburton: I think we should set up a fallback position for them. Ultimately, this could be a good thing. Think about it: If worse came to worst, and Mordre/The State got into trouble with Castiliathen, or vice versa, do we really want to toss a coin to see who they end up siding with?

If the High King tries to bring the hammer down, we could offer them lands/estates within our territory to flee to. Migrate their House into our state, and bam. Keddic and his whole family are indebted to us firmly enough that they might more assuredly side with us over Castiliathen.

It'll still be shaky ground, but ultimately it could work for us.
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No. 299580 ID: a6ba65

>>299569
Can our Soul Eden's newfound magical precision (or Eisenhardt, or Del Roga/Eisenhardt turning them out in a mold) fabricate the metal well enough to set up our own teleport boxes yet?

Because installing one in the Harksburton family estate could prove useful. And make sure Burduko has been to the place, just in case.

Hell, if we can do that, for a good trick set up two massive metal containers on our land large enough to fit the entire estate on. If enemies start breaking down the doors, have Burduko teleport in with one surrounding the entire estate, and then out again, taking the estate-inna-box with him.

Also, I'd like to again bring up the idea of a digger spawn. The spawn will be good for all those mines we're opening up, and if we set up its ability in such a way that it can cut, burn or vanish its way through extraordinary metals like Lortoxite, we could either pair it with Burduko or combine it with Ekron to do some asteroid mining. As long as it gets out of the atmosphere without alerting Broggamek, we'll soon have a source of Lortoxite without having to sneak something as obvious as a comet past Broggamek back down to the planet.
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No. 299583 ID: 9ea6ca

Get with the deep spawn making already! We are getting closer and closer to the sell-by date.

Already suggested:

-Acronum: Embodies the concept of Administration in the form of Calculation and Translation.

Further suggestions:

Colossi: Embodies the concept of Armour in the forms of Deflection and Articulation.
>Basically a living suit of armour that can fight on its own as a hollow golem, or enclose another being to protect them in shifting plate armour. Building a super suit for Mordre and strengthening it with an implanted deep spawn has been on the agenda for a while now.

Tallagga: Embodies the concept of Vision in the form of Truth and Illusion.
> We need to implant a spawn into our ruby eyes. Protection of our assets alone merits the idea. Ideally the spawn could see through illusions and also create illusions to confound the visions of others. Our eyes are capable of flying around on their own. So Tallagga could form an illusionary body around the rubies to conceal them or make them invisible for scouting.

> Added bonus: Illusionary body + ability to emit laser beams = EYE OF SAURON. How is this not awesome?
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No. 299589 ID: 4a3736

SUPPORTING ALL DEEP SPAWN CREATION.
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No. 299593 ID: 63fc62

>>299534
MORDRE. Several things:

Can Mauser take us to Catbeard? I have a few buisness proposals I'd like us to discuss at length with him.

Did Goran manage to Digest Trollzaru yet?

Did we sell Gelug's "body" yet? We can do so much more with it if it's still around.

Have any dreams lately? I would've thought that if merely integrating belief infused materials into yourself gave you the ability to have dreams, being directly powered by the stuff would put you in la-la-land a whole lot more often.

How DID you deal with the word mage? Details man, out with it- Any foreboding death threats as she went down? Is the Golden League on your heels now that a small-tomb claiming to have secrets about you just up and dissapeared? You know... Now that we're kind of butting heads with them over LANDTHATISTOTALLYOURSWHYDONTWEFUCKINGSENDDOMINTUSOVERTHEREANDSEEHOWTHEYLIKEITWHENNOBODYCOMESTOTHEIRRESCUEDEEPDAMNEDIG
NORAMUSESYESIMA
- I mean, we should really look into that preferably sooner than later.

How goes the reunification effort in Mordreden? Are the two rival leaders begging Over-Chieftain Lorgk for mercy and seeking his eternal wisdom yet? In fact- How goes the YETI GENOCIDE? Now that we know that prolonged exposure inside Mordreden itself is lethal to yeti, can we start making concentration tents? Maybe special chambers built into the ice wall so the yeti can perish en masse in an icy hell, confused and scared; all while strengthening the magicks that sustain the wall and increase the lethality it emits? Speaking of Yeti Torture Devices- Does Necronostrium have to be all human sacrifices? Cause I'm SO down for a special Yeti flavored variant of the metal with a stronger bond to soul magic.
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No. 299595 ID: b85a94

Would mordre be able to graft a deep spawn egg to Keddic's family blood construct (can't remember the name)?

If so, it is worth looking into and talking with it to keddic- might be worth checking if, in fact, the blood construct isn't already a deep spawn.
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No. 299599 ID: cfb5d5

>>299583
I am supporting this with the exception of Tallagga.

Instead, make it "Tallagga Embodies the concept of Vision in the form Truth and Eyes".

The Deep Spawn itself would then be integrated into Mordre's rubies eyes and it's power would manifest in the form of remotely operated floating eyes that transmit what they see to Mordre. Useful for spying and in battle situation, Mordre could use his drones to see the battlefield from several view points at once.

If we want a Deep Spawn that use illusions, then we should make a specialized one rather then half-ass it.

Orochoth embodies the concept of Illusions in the form of Fallacies and Mirrors.
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No. 299600 ID: bc5a36

And now for something else!

Okay, now I'm not sure if anyone's thought this up before, but I was thinking about Patches, the patchwork creature. Now, while he hasn't shown up lately, he's been popping in and out for a good chunk of our early quest (Just to think a little under 200 days ago, we had just started out!) And its quite clear that Patches and Mordre are connnected, enough so that when Mordre went a major upgrade, so did Patches. And there's only one of him in alllllllll of creation, meaning Chaos in involved.

So here's what I'm thinking! Mordecai's soul, when the Curse hit, had been affected by it and the Chaos he was abusing and his soul was split out of his body, which due to the inherent Chaos of the Curse and his magic, made his body Patches and his soul go into Mordre. And Patches 'evolved' somewhat apace with Mordre because, to some degree, the body knew it had to keep itself on a similar power level as that of Mordre, what Patches' mentality identified as Mordecai. Of course, this would mean that when Mordre claimed his own soul, that Patches would either have stopped evolving or would just be very very VERY pissy next time he sees us.

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Seconding this and finding out more about the Paradox Knights hard.
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No. 299603 ID: 765678

To Clarify:
>>299278 means the attempt was dealed with as of the recent Mordre post and I needn't bring it up again, correct?

Now for general business. When we have a moment of quiet, let's focus on the soul of Merrack The Swift and bring him up to talk.

First tell him we have no memory of his glory days, but we want to know more about him. Then ask about his life and deeds with an eye toward the how's and the why's, including his preservation.

Pay special attention to how he talks about Mosmordre.
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No. 299605 ID: 059fc4

if were making deepspawn dont forget the construction spawn
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No. 299613 ID: 5b95eb

Phohn up Phohn and tell him to stop calling people Mortals, and to stop calling you Administrator to people that don't already know, shit's given you away before.
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No. 299628 ID: 8b0de1

Wait

No a single word about the business with the Word Mage?
I'd like to know what happened there, even if it is few words. Did Mordre manage to kill her? Did he consume her soul? If not, why?
Besides dealing with the mage, did Mordre manage to dispel her rumors?

And how did Ellayia join our Platinum-member, VIP only, secret scouts group?
How did she discover Mordres secret? Why did Mordre decide it is fine to let her know and not kill her on the spot? Why didn't Ulzrick come in to fix shit?
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Alright, after the meeting is over, call for Dolrick and have him give you the detailed report on Jak.
The fact that Dolrick, who is Legendary in several branches among which is SoulDreaming, could not deal with Jak merits our attention.
Actually, call in Ulzrick, Arkus and Kyorto too and brainstorm on how to deal with him.
We know several things about him which we should share too, like where his Dream-based tractomancy powers come from and his Golem Suit.


About the Mortal Coil
Now that we finally have a body, can't we go and just meet with them? iirc, the lack of body was the only thing that was keeping us from meeting them.
Speaking of our new body. Has Kaisera seen us in it? I mean Seen us? Can her magic eyes see through the facade? Maybe we should take Ulzrick and show ourself to her. If she can see our true nature (that this is not actually a human body, but a construct), we'll have Ulzrick redact the scene and get working on improving our wards.


We should go around making some Deep Spawn. Arcanum (administrator spawn) which we have talked about should be made.

And when are we finally going to exploit the Leyline Geyser?!
iirc, many were good with the idea of building a Massive university there. Bastion of science and magic.
Campus with different sections with big room for expanding. For now, we could make two branches there: Alchemy and technology. The Alchemy building could be infused with a Deep Spawn centered around that concept and will help with research and implementing the augmentations. Sadly, the same cannot be done for technology building until we find a way to remover their technology restriction.
So who's up for this?
This could be the start for Super Soldier program.
Besides that, this place could be center of knowledge, people would come here to learn and share. Rather than sending our people from one place to another to learn shit (like we did way back before with Premen), everyone could conglomerate here: Premen, Dionepans, Alzehaerdren and whomever we conquer in future.
This would boost our research into Magic Language and UMT tremendously.


>the High King is known for his rather thorough crushing of those he deems 'uppity' so I'd advise caution
We might want to advice Keddic to slow down a bit.

Actually, this makes me think.
Keddics wife (and unborn child) were assassinated and all leads pointed to the royal family and the Time King. That was the reason why Keddic had left Castellienth for 5 years (all of this was revealed in IRC)
So leads me to believe that it was prophesied (or most likely seen into the future by Time King) that Keddics line is going to be the end of Time Kings and his families reign. But seeing that Keddic was nothing special at the time, Time King thought that the prediction concerned his son and had him killed before he was born.
Now, seeing how rapidly Keddic and his family is growing Time King realizes the threat.
Now, this may lead to two predictions:
First - To protect himself and his family, Arcturo will move to destroy Harbursons. Most likely after they deal with Athenes.

Second - This one might be much less obvious.
I'm fairly sure that Keddic knows that the royal family is behind the assassination of his wife. Now that he has become so much stronger, he might see opportunity for taking revenge. All that power might go over his head and he'll decide to attack Arcturo first to deal with him.

>>299553
I think Bob made a simple mistake of mixing up names. As far as I know, we were searching for Gaze of Gaverock (though for the life of me, I cannot remember what it is actually)
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No. 299640 ID: 53859d

>>299628

Wait, wait, you're right, no word on the Word Mage and how we've dealt with it? And his Number One Threat to continued existence hasn't been commented on, when we left with "Dealing with Her" as Priority One?

I smell shenanigans. One of my big tip-offs is that "We roughly knew where the Shell was, so why is it that Ellaiya apparently can't find it?"

Another is that Dolrick guy apparently can't balk Jak Stryfe, Mister Munchkin himself, despite all of Dolrick's personal tricks. And that Jak can apparently operate a soul-draining superweapon without the defenses that Mordre had initially put on it to make it usable.

So, what I'm trying to get at is that there's enough hints here suggesting we're being had--we being the Chaos Motes here, and that we've being put through an elaborate flimflam to keep our attention (And thus, 'Suggestions') away from Mordre--a lot of the errors in that post can be attributed to someone who knows a lot, but doesn't know every little detail (Such as Jak Stryfe's Secret) and more importantly, that Mordre probably won't rest until Word Mage has been Dealt With.

Plus, why is Mordre not getting the Mortal Coil off his back, if he already has access to a decently capable meat-body?

Again, I call shenanigans.
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No. 299641 ID: 53859d

>>299640

Alternatively, I might just be paranoid :D

Food for thought ~~~
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No. 299642 ID: 53859d

>>299641
Although, one little hint that might suggest that our Perspective Shift has been hijacked?

Take a look, Mordre's name is written in a different font then Perspective Shifts normally are in (Points)
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No. 299646 ID: b85a94

is that... the order motes in action?
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No. 299651 ID: 53859d

>>299646
Could be, it could be any number of things.

All I know is that this post feels fucking /Wrong/ in a lot of ways--one of them being the excessive use of purple-prose from Mordre's perspective.
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No. 299655 ID: 059fc4

>>299642
it could simply be mordre not being in the golem body.

also anyone else getting annoyed with "this was revealed in IRC"?

I cant get it to work for me and even if I did theres no way for anyone to access the last years worth of conversation unless they were there at the time and thought to copy it.
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No. 299659 ID: 53859d

>>299655

The problem with that is that Bob's been too consistent with how "His" remarks go--all caps, all the time. That the "Mordre" in this Perspective Shift was /Not/ in his usual font (When it's the same way for every other character in the story), suggests that something else is involved.

tl;dr, consistency was broken, and the post was already suspicious even before I noticed that, this just hammered the nail in the coffin.
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No. 299678 ID: d429c4
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<-FANART: The Mordre-Sphere ( I prefer my previous versions, but it won't let me delete that one, which was unrecognised.)

Mordre. Before we continue this discussion, jump back to your own body, and use the powers of your Soul Eden. Your mentality may have been hijacked. Prove to yourself that you're still you, by fitting the Restriction.

If, and only if, that occurs, then the rest.

First priority is to insulate ourselves from Chronomancy (this might have side benefits against Tractomancy, to get Jak). Two reasons. The Magnums Crazy Chronomantic Caper is about to begin, and one of your big allies has a serious Time Mage as an enemy. Ask Arkus and Keisera to replicate Burduko and Velada's stabilisation effect runically, and the beef it up to insulate from time line changes.

When Arkus' worked out that rune structure, inscribe it on yourself, and then Phohn Keddic to dtrongly suggest he visits. When he's here, behind the Arcanoworks' wards, inform him o fthe treat. Then suggest that he rework his extra-dimensional circulatory system to form a giant set of temporally defensive runes, and teach his family to do the same. We should also pursue cellular and sub-cellular runing. You, Mordre, are a master curiatomancer. You should work with Arkus, Kyorto and Bang to develop this, so you can apply magic generating and protective runes to every cell in their bodies.

If you can make even the first bits of this work, apply the protective runes to your Sphere, and invite Deddic to move his family to the sphere, whilst they train, and you apply Curiatomantic upgrades in addition to their alchemical ones. Whilst doing this, use Curiatomancy to grow macro-scale temporal defensive runes on the surface of the sphere.

Both Keddic and Bang are in the market for a soul infusion, they've both expressed willingness. Offer them one.

Use Curiatomancy to build brains in the fleshy bits of your new body

Restrict your golem body to only use Chronomancy for defence and perception, and enhance those two.

You have two bodies now. Wouldn't it be convenient to be able t operate both simultaneously?Consider how to do this. Keddic learned to extend his soul extra-dimensionally – with the Soul Eden, you should find it possible to do something similar. Channel your growing soul so that the bulk of it sits in the gateway to the Soul Eden, alongside the Administrators. Be careful to leave some of it across the boundary inside your original body. Then, practice creating and reabsorbing Faith Soldiers and Faith Golems. These constructs of souls and belief are sub-partitions of your Soul Eden and hence still connected to you. You are a Soul Parasite, and you should make use of your abilities. Explore the connection to these partitions, and once more, extend your soul along them. You can then use your Soul Parasitism to assume direct control of them, hijacking their energy and thinking capacity to serve as parallel instances of your consciousness, just another part of the greater whole. With this accomplished, you should try infusing one of these directly partitions into other bodies, so you can control multiple forms simultaneously.

Go to the Sphere, and use amplified Curiatomancy to grow a human body, and then the Inverted Immortal Genocide to implant a single Faith Solider inside. This should allow that soul solider to live again. If this works, you should use what you know of Death Belief to perform a great ritual sacrifice of your willing worshippers, before absorbing their souls into your Soul Eden, and then later reincarnating them in upgraded versions of their old bodies, fully upgraded with your Blood Magic and Curiatomancy.

Whilst the above method works for bodies that you may want to discard at some point, you probably also want to form more permanent links between your most important bodies. The key to this is to create a network of Soul Edens that you own. You can then extend your soul along these permanent links of the network, and into the physical seats of the Soul Edens.

You need to master the Sphere, to indelibly assert your Ownership of it. You should perform the above procedures on it, if you can, and then implant a Deep Spawn in what is hopefully your new body. This Deep Spawn should be appropriately restricted to serve you. If you do manage to possess the Sphere as a second body, you should use your magic to enhance it as much as possible. Use your Curiatomancy to grow a set of giant brains to improve your ability to think, and a vast circulatory system throughout the Sphere, to make it an immensely powerful reservoir of Blood Magic. You should build two such systems, one for red, and one for White Blood.

Weinsho remains uneaten. This is possibly the best purpose to put the Death Belief that the sacrifices described at the top would generate. You should combine the above plans. When you have possessed the Sphere, you should perform the augmentations required to make it an organic Soul Grave and Magic Eater. Then you transport it so that it is bathed in the unowned Lyeline Geyser you had found for you, and just as the Sphere's magic reserves are full, have the sacrifices reach their crescendo, and have the Sphere - you eat Weinsho's soul, as the golem-you uses Amplified Soul Magic to prevent him from resisting, as well as stealing time from him to slow down his pulses. The surge of Death Belief from the sacrifices should be timed to be exactly out of phase with the pulses Weinsho generates, so that they are cancelled out, allowing him to be eaten. The Faith Golems you form from your worshippers can guide him into your waiting maw (as shown.)
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No. 299688 ID: bc5a36

Fuck! Are we being messed with by that cosmic being guy who kicked our perspective off of Ulrick? Order Motes? The Paradox Knights?

Man, we got a lot of powerful-er enemies now.
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No. 299694 ID: 5b95eb

Oh, and file this away for later: Never ever ever use Chronomancy unless you are about to completely 100% die. Causality itself will come down and fuck you up.

Luckily the Chronal Banditry isn't actually Chronomancy, so keep using that.
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No. 299697 ID: 5b95eb

One more thing: When you get back to your real body, Talk to Ozmand and joke that you must be Quadruple or pentuple anathema by now.
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No. 299700 ID: 53859d

>>299678

... Yeah, that Weinsho eating plan is a terrible plan, Any Plan that involves us playing into the Anathema Meme /Must/ be downvoted, lest we be drawn into it.

Mass Human Sacrifice certainly counts, especially when the ultimate goal... Is to gain more power.

Also, how does Mordre even know about what Keddic's been doing with that shit? Stop fucking telling whoever's listening in on us about Shit We Know that they might not, or else they might get good enough at making a flimflam that we /Can't/ decipher it.
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No. 299705 ID: 53859d

>>299700
In case it wasn't clear, I'm downvoting this entire post, it's just a fucking terrible idea overall, and breaks character for most of it.
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No. 299724 ID: 8b0de1

>>299640
>>299641
>>299642
>>299655

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
Mordre has never beaten the Word Mage. She has trapped us in some kind of dream trap!!!
D:


Nah

read the first half of the update where the Perspective is focused on Arkus, he meets Mordre in his new body there for a moment thus Mordre has dealt with the Word Mage and successfully transferred into his "real" body

>>299655
Yeah, I agree, it is very annoying.
A lot of very interesting information gets shared on IRC.

>>299700
>Stop fucking telling whoever's listening in on us about Shit We Know that they might not, or else they might get good enough at making a flimflam that we /Can't/ decipher it.

Listening in on us?
No one can listen in on us, we have insanely powerful rune- OOOooOOoooh, Shiiiiiit
Mordres faux body doesn't have the Shade of Souls rune, does it? Man, I hope they were insightful enough to put it in ... if not, we need to rectify that mistake as soon as possible!



Right
something I forgot.

When are we going to finally re-recruit Captain Falcon for State army?
We have been talking about this for a long time.
We need to contact him and get him here ASAP.
We should be able to restore his arm. We have: Bang, Mordre, Jojo, Ulzrick, Dolrick and our healing Spawn. Between them they should be able to fix his arm. If his soul-arm has been lost too (I don't know how that works), maybe Mordre can use his limited Soul Magic knowledge to restore it.
If all fails, we'll send him to Gialgorra with a 50,000 marks order for a new arm. We will leave specifics to Captain Falcon.

He is a one-man army. We can send him to one of the fronts to speed up the expansion into DoD lands.

We never had direct conversation with Vimes Golems either.
Or Armstrongs brigade (Armstrong is dead but he was replaced by someone else, also from FMA)
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No. 299730 ID: 12b3b5

>>299678
Downvoting all of this.
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No. 299731 ID: 097e6e

Pristine Soul attempts for when Mordre is next in the Soul Eden.

1. Given that the High King of Castiliathen is a noted Chronomancer, and apparently very thorough in crushing those he deems 'uppity', perhaps he can use Chronomancy to affect the future, redacting things so that, instead of changing past events, he sets future events in stone? Pristine Soul creation uses Chronomancy that affects the future, so why can't Arcturo force reality so that events fall in his favor? Probably he only affects things a few seconds or so into the future, so he doesn't generate too much Paradox. So, prediction: if Mordre were to ever meet Arcturo, he would use his future-affecting Chronomancy to 'predict' Mordre's actions and thereby gain an advantage.

2. World Parasites have innately imbued blood, and the only currently known effect of the inclusion of World Parasite Blood Iron (from dragons) to an alloy is the enhancement of the durability of the alloy. As World magic is known to be associated with life and growth (as indicated by the regeneration of Deep Spawn and dragons, along with the plant life appearing where Trollzaru forcefully, and messily apparently, drained the System of World Magic), then, therefore, perhaps the blood of World Parasites are imbued with World magic, and saturating the Soul Eden with the Blood Iron of World Parasites would introduce World Magic into the alloy, putting Mordre one step closer to obtaining the perpetual Omni-Source of the Cosmos.

3. World Parasites are a sort of Planet God propagation. Moss, in the seen possible future, was able to sustain life, in the form of plants, on its own. Dragons, with their Gravimancy and Aeromancy, are able to carry bits of atmosphere with them as they travel throughout space. The two in conjunction, given time and maturation, would be able to travel to other planets and seed life, possibly starting the process for the maturation of the nascent Planet Gods there (if there are any).

4. The crystal within Moss contains a Caged One Fragment (as World Magic is generated by the blood of the Caged One filtered through the System, would a perpetual World energy generator not contain the blood of the Caged One and possibly a piece of its soul), and, if the crystal is broken, Mordre would be able to consume the soul fragment within.

5. The trees grown from the seeds Moss planted at the Arcanoworks are immature forms of Moss-type World Parasites. If enough World Magic is injected or otherwise taken up by the trees, the trees will then rot and produce a mature Moss-type World Parasite.

6. As Moss was found near that rotting tree in the woods near Trepany, and the surface Leyline network in the Arcanoworks centers on the trees planted by Moss, it stands to reason that Mordre would find more trees (i.e. immature Moss-type World Parasites) in those woods, if the forest was more thoroughly explored. However, all of the trees will probably have rotted already, and thus, the surface Leyline network has already decayed and became unsuitable for use for locating the rest of the trees. If that is true, there are probably Moss-type World Parasites running around looking for a World magic source; if that Leyline Geyser to the north is left undeveloped and without threatening defenses to prevent the World Parasite from easily eating it, Mordre will probably encounter a Moss-type World Parasite there eventually.

7. Jak is using the Blue Devil safely because he transplanted the Legendary Soul powering Totters into the Blue Devil. Since the Blue Devil was made for Legendary Souls, perhaps the energy output of Legendary Souls is enough to power the Blue Soulfire, without need to consume a portion of the wearer's soul. As Legendary Souls are relatively rare, and it is known that Jak has at least one such soul in his keeping, it is probable that Jak has does not have use of both the Blue Devil and Totters at the same time (or, at least, not with the same power as before), and, as such, if Mordre were to confront Jak, there would be no Totters to assist Jak (or just a weaker one) unless Jak is willing to give up use of the Blue Devil.

End Pristine Soul attempts.

On the matter of Jak, could the Soul Eden be used to kill him? Since the Order Soulfire is an activated effect, the anti-magic field generated by the IG should dispel that, I think. (The charge for the field could come from the injection of Belief, Blood and Will Pyromancy, which should be potent enough combined to produce a sufficiently sized field.) Then, the Spectral Gorging Anima could tear up Jak's body inside, though the Armor could protect him. Even if Jak is wearing the Lortoxite armor, the SGA should mess up his body enough, I think, so that Mordre's soul consuming would rip his soul out of his body. If so, then the soldiers on the Western Front should report, through Phohn, all sightings of Jak to Mordre, so that Mordre can kill Jak and recover what was stolen.

On a completely different topic, since it is known that White Blood contains/are a proto-soul, could Mordre not activated a collection of White Blood, pool them together in a manner similar to Keddic's Blood Lions, create connections of Belief, Soul, and Blood between Mordre's soul and the White Blood proto-soul, and then do something akin to what is done with creating Deep Spawn, and exchange a piece of a fully-developed soul for a proto-soul and thus stimulate the proto-soul so it becomes a full soul? Dorgrum's help should be sought for this, and perhaps Jojo and Heol may be of assistance. While I doubt that the resultant entity would be a Deep Spawn but rather a Blood Construct as Ellenaym (though since the soul used in this entity is a Deep Spawn, and Ellenaym's human, perhaps the resultant entity would share some qualities with Deep Spawn), this should be a good step in figuring out how to create Deep Spawn without other's help.

If the above works out, could the entity be placed in the Mage Mordre body, to assist in calculations and controlling the Mage Mordre body so that Mordre doesn't need to allocate so much processing power to controlling the body. Also, since the soul wouldn't be very large, and thus not quite as helpful with calculations as it could be, it should have some Restrictions applied to it: it should have the bound-to-Mordre restriction (by dint of having a piece of Mordre's soul used in its 'birth') but an attempt to restrict it so should be tried unless Dorgrum says it is useless to do so because it already is bound, and perhaps restricted to not able to control the Mage Mordre body unless Mordre is actively possessing it, and perhaps the rest of the bindings in-built to Mordre's Deep Spawn.
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No. 299747 ID: 1205be

>also anyone else getting annoyed with "this was revealed in IRC"?
Yes. The worst part is that it's usually used in the context of "Bob said this would work, let's do it!" They never actually mention if Bob also said it would be a good idea.

>>299640
>>299641
>Alternatively, I might just be paranoid :D
Your paranoia does you credit, good sir. I shall join you in your paranoia! We're wondering who would have the power to create such a thing, yes? Here's some fuel for the fire:
>[Pick any previously player character with the exception of Lenryt-and the first one to get four votes will be instant Perspective shifted to, following which perspective will shift to Mordre post wrapping up the Word Mage issue.]
Hmm hmm! Based on that wording, it seems like we COULD have chosen to shift to Mordre right away to deal with the wrapping up of the Word Mage. The only one we couldn't shift to by choice is... Lenryt.

She could be warding herself from us, obviously... or maybe we're already here. The way we're messing with continuity by causing the BANGBOOM TIME RUCKUS has got to be irritating her, no? And that's the event that let us do a "perspective shift".

Keep your eyes open for more information, to rule out various possibilities! Fun times!
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No. 299750 ID: 059fc4

>>299747
>Lenryt
our shift to her seemed like a one time thing if I remember right the only reason we did it was due to dolrick's shenanigains. Fairly sure lenyrts reaction to us showing up was basicly"WTF? you arnt supposed to be able to come here"
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No. 299758 ID: 5b95eb

>>299678
Definitely downvoting.

We need to stop doing/suggesting such... evil things. We're the bloody good guys, after all.
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No. 299775 ID: 903f16

>>299761
>On the Cap'n Falcon idea (and Ugrokk too, for that matter), I say we send 'em on to Oz to learn Ghosthand and, if we ever find a source of Lortoxite, Breaker. Maybe Heol, too; I bet she could learn Ghosthand, but for her entire body, as a way to effect the world around her. Only amputees can learn Ghosthand, and only ones with invulnerable arms, Breaker.

This is markedly similar to an idea I had several weeks ago, but in reverse. I think we should have Jojo, Heol, and Ulzrick teach Oz and his students physical dream magic, as each and every one of them is missing a limb and thus are capable of it.
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No. 299776 ID: a6ba65

>>299747
Just be glad some of those ideas - like having Bang fathering 20,000 kids via the Ark villagers and then Curatiomancying them almost from the womb into little Bangs - stay in IRC.

We try to bring the important info over into the Disc thread, but we miss stuff, obviously. You could join in- Rizon.net, channel #golemquest, pretty simple.

>>299724
On the Cap'n Falcon idea (and Ugrokk too, for that matter), I say we send 'em on to Oz to learn Ghosthand and, if we ever find a source of Lortoxite, Breaker. Maybe Heol, too; I bet she could learn Ghosthand, but for her entire body, as a way to effect the world around her. Only amputees can learn Ghosthand, and only ones with invulnerable arms, Breaker.

>>299705
Didn't you know? It's only evil and Anathema-y if anyone catches us doing it. Just like trees falling in the woods.

Also, try to keep the posts down to 2 in between Bob posts. Bob's attention span is finite.

>>299678
I'm actually okay with this, in large part. Al's plan for the Ark villagers seems to fit with the religious overtones we've got going.

Also, a thought; the Disjointed rune we haven't used in a while, that we took from Dulu's staff. Seems like that would protect us (and Dulu) from a chronomancy backlash (from Bang screwing around with Time) if anything would. And speaking of Dulu, maybe we should get him in on the Eisenhardt/Del Roga team. It'd be nice to install that magic eating/traqnce ability in our new golem armors; I imagine Eisenhardt was in on creating Dulu in the first place and they're familiar with each other.

And I'd also be okay with restricting our golem-form to passive forms of chronomancy rather than offensive; Bob has said that we can use offensive chronomancy, but he (meaning Time, which is kinda its own entity?) will probably Monkey's Paw us.

Also, I think Fjordak (our metal-liquid blood system) can move the Golem while we are outside it, and obey simple commands. Have we done that in the sight of our State council yet? Just to cement the idea that Mage Mordre and Golem Mordre are very different.
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No. 299818 ID: 9ea6ca

>I am supporting this with the exception of Tallagga. Instead, make it "Tallagga Embodies the concept of Vision in the form Truth and Eyes".
>If we want a Deep Spawn that use illusions, then we should make a specialized one rather then half-ass it. Orochoth embodies the concept of Illusions in the form of Fallacies and Mirrors.

*slaps forehead* well duh, why didn't I think of that. We have two eyes after all, there is no reason we could not implant two spawn.
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No. 299861 ID: cfb5d5

I nearly forgot, I want to run a query through Bobobo.

While it's true that we already know that Mordre is completely unique in the local Multiverse, I want to know if the Soul Grave/Eden he is using as a body also is.

Also, if more version of Mordre's body existed in other realities, what are their status ? Are they dormant ? Active ?
If active, who pilot them ? An operator or a soul within it ? How about Mordecai ?
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No. 300066 ID: a76809

>>299628
[Answers in order: No not in in-character posts, Yes, No, because it didn't work before and he destroyed her with a Chaos/Order Collision, In theory, because she heard the Word mage telling merchants and elected independently to kill them and still call me despite learning I was Anathema, answered in prior, same again, because he was busy dealing with Jak having just shown up in the Second State at the time. ...Answered. Oh, and Mordre met with the Mortal Coil-basically kept his trap shut, gave them nothing to pry into, and politely told them to fuck off as they were trying to strong-arm him into joining. And no Kaisera has not yet seen your body. Leyline Geyser was already exploited, Silicanthos has been restored and Jezebel is looking into means of harnessing it both as a power source and as a catalyst for further Magitech, with Arkus having already proven you can in fact temporarily turbocharge Golem Armors by sticking them on that power geyser. Dregas is not building there until debt is gone.

>>299659
[Or I have different font types to denote different Soul/Self methods of conceptualization and existence that have only become relevant as Mordre became the first character for you to play who is already commanding a different form. And since it's Mordre, you're playing Mordre's Soul playing a hybrid golem fake body playing at being a human Mage. Whole lot of recursion there. And Mordre's posts are usually a mix of prose and analysis, that's something of a trademark of his.]

>>299541
[I'll just tell you-Gialgorra has no 'extra' Lortoxite lying around in any way, shape or form.]
>>299552
[Typo on my part-it IS the Gaze of Gavrock she is tasked with finding, as the Shell is already integrated into the Slayer's Bastion. Also short of being some crazy guy like Arkus or actually being a Planet God you can't get around needing to draw World magic from leylines-at best you can store power in a battery for later use, but that's not the same as free access.]

An idea occurs to me as I sit at the head of this meeting, fingers still drumming-Phohn?
Yes, Administrator Mordre?
Have Nidhogg travel to the True Mountains, if you would-let's send her with Burduko and Rutgur, both as assistants and as emergency evacuation mechanism. They are to collect as much dragon Blood Iron and dragon bone as possible, while acting to expose Nidhogg to more capable dragons she may be able to incorporate into herself.
At once, Administrator
Also inform Mingsk and Lorgk alike that I would like at least some yetis purposefully left alive so I can harvest their souls-I have research I wish to perform when I find time.
Your request has been conveyed and accepted
>>299557
...Hm. Perhaps my thoughts need not be so comparatively slow-After all, this body works on fabricated nervous signals generated and sent between interlocked golem partitions-what prevents me from simply creating the signal right at its endpoint, eliminating all transit time? Not so much tractomantic, as spatially null.... I decide to table the idea for now, but resolve to spend an hour each day investigating this possibility minimum, until such time I determine if it is possible or not.

>>299558
...An idea on how to divert the High King's potential wrath towards a colleague and ally, while further indebting him and his to me-
"Dompaggio-you are to bring all of the Harksburton's collected evidence, compile it with your own, and deliver the full collection to Dregas to replicate. You will bring the originals to Castiliathen without delay."
This does mean using Burduko-Phohn, verify he can sustain alternating presence on two such diversions and still deliver Dompaggio safely.
It is acknowledged as wholly feasible
The Deep Spawn bows and departs, even as Dregas idly thumbs his chin, speculating on just what he will be involved with-he does not yet know of the incriminating evidence against the Heir of the Hechler house.
Phohn, inform Keddic of the interest of Arcturo, and my intent to distract him.
Keddic notes he was aware of the former, and can work around the latter
>>299568
"Mm-Ellayia."
>[Ellayia]"Yeah councilor-what is it?"
"What of that last potential issue you mentioned?" My words meant in private reference to some possible recipients of my secret from the Word Mage I so delighted in slaying.
>[Ellayia]"Turned out a false lead-there was nothing to be concerned with, just misinterpreted hearsay-it happens."
"Carkiano."
>[Carkiano]"Councilor Prime?"
"I understand your...frustration with 'Sir' Stryfe. However, sheer force of arms will not yield much at this juncture. His power lay twofold, once in the strength of his arms and trinkets, and once in the fact that we know not where he secretes himself when he isn't being an insufferable lout. Until we can get a leg up on him information-wise, he'll just keep on doing what he does so well...bringing you one step closer to a rage-induced stroke."
>[Carkiano]"And you ask me to just endure it?"
"For a time-Jak is no mastermind, Blue Knight, and he will be laid low-we must simply create the right trap, one even he cannot escape. Until then, why waste undue effort on something that will yield nothing?"
>[Carkiano]"...I see. It shall be as you say, Mage Mordre."
"In fact-"
I glance pointedly at Ellayia-
"I think a more subtle approach would do good."
As the ample-bosomed thief-turned-inner-circle-member inclines her head with a mischievous smirk, I turn back to Eisenhardt and Del Rogo.
"Regarding the project, that's just fine. I already know it'll get done, and done well, there's no hurrying craftsmanship."
Both seem entirely satisfied with my response, and neither are the type to waste breath on idle pleasantries-they simply incline their heads and stay silent. My gaze at last turns to Arkus as I rub fingers against either side of my pseudo-skull, in the hollow that on a human would be called the temple. The gesture is affected and entirely pointless in terms of personal gratification-but it matches my persona, and what I am about to say. having spent some time now using a nearly human body, I am finally getting familiar with human mannerisms.
"I suppose I can't just keep giving them the run-around. I'm not looking forward to this one. What exactly did they say this time? As colorful as their last missive I take it?"
>[Arkus]"Ah well they again invite you to join officially, pay membership dues blah blah blah, full access to library blah blah blah, full access to student body blah blah blah, shaping the minds of tomorrow-you know the generic stuff? Really it just boiled down to them yet again looking for some way to get at your golem manipulation research and the resources of the State."
I say nothing as I ponder.

>>299583
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>>299678
"...This meeting is at an end."

With no further fanfare the other residents depart-Kyorto, Arkus and the Deep Spawn staying. I unravel the Illusion Kyorto built into the hollow wall behind my seat, and my Soul leaves the almost-human form to return to the warm metal embrace of the Soul Eden. I run through some preliminary calculations to insure calibration remains the same, and turn my attention towards the remaining Deep Spawn Cores. My left hand arises, Belief pouring from my grasp as I call out a Name.
>-Acronum: Embodies the concept of Administration in the form of Calculation and Translation.
Acronum

The featureless core is crissed and crossed with intersecting lines, splitting into smaller and smaller, ever more numerous cubes-each side inscribed with a character or a number. I feel the genuflection of this hive existence-and I can only wonder at how Dregas will react to it's existence. A Deep Spawn made to bring to life and embody the concepts of mathematics and linguistics made malleable, the perfect assistant for international barter.

[-1 DEEP SPAWN CORE-----TOTAL DEEP SPAWN CORES REMAINING: 09]

I call forth another.
-Colossi: Embodies the concept of Armour in the forms of Deflection and Articulation.

Colossi

Using my gold-plated, fang-patterened Bloots Steel Overarmor as a base, I call forth the concept of a living suit of armor, an obdurate, flexible and responsive ward and combatant alike-I watch the euclidean geometrical patterns flutter and bulge across the metal, tendrils connecting the pieces and winking out of existence-I feel the tension as the armor shivers around me-then goes silent, subtly radiating power at my disposal.

[-1 DEEP SPAWN CORE-----TOTAL DEEP SPAWN CORES REMAINING: 08]

At this Arkus begins to get up-to rather swiftly sit back down as scarlet energy crackles about my ruby gaze, gold-plated, rune scrimshaw floating skull wreathed in golden smoke and fire. My most carefully planned imbuing is nigh. I gesture-the Baleful Eyes of Winter leaving my skull, pulling Zagrath's soul with them as they float forth-

Each merging with a Deep Spawn Core.

-Tallagga Embodies the concept of Vision in the form Truth and Eyes
-Orochoth embodies the concept of Illusions in the form of Fallacies and Mirrors.

Tallaga of the Right
Orochoth of the Left

[-2 DEEP SPAWN CORE-----TOTAL DEEP SPAWN CORES REMAINING: 06]

What was once a complicated spell network sporting multiple Pristine Soul expansions and a highly modified Heroic Soul on top of Belief infused gems explodes exponentially, becoming so convoluted it becomes as multidimensional as my Soul Eden's core with the twinned yet differing Spawn. Each layers onto and builds upon the power already present-and both build it in different ways. Tallaga's presence grants Zagrath the ability to freely form ruby replicas from thin air-and wherever they should roam, not only will Zagrath see-but so shall I, whilst I command this golem. Orochoth, however, grants me the power to ensnare minds in visual illusions if caught unawares-a subtle, dangerous magic to be used sparingly-in conjunction with a perceived ability to differentiate between the Truth and falsehood. I feel the disparate cores both pulling on Zagrath, I feel his frayed psychotic soul warp further-and I wonder how, looking at it now, he could ever have been labeled a 'human'. While the new additions integrate seemlessly, the eyes floating back into place, a few rough equations show that with the new abilities, my illusion-piercing gaze has been improved-and the power of my Amaranthine Annihilator has nearly tripled, with the recharge timeframe equally skewed in my favor.

>>299731
[1:no, 2:no, 3:no but you could tweak them to do that without issue, 4:It's a stone not a crystal and there is no consciousness within so no, 5:no, 6:no, 7:no.]

I tap a metal finger against the wall beside me as I consider what to do with the rest of the day: Public appearance in the fleshy body to keep public support up? Lead a Council meeting to adjust some particular facet of law or legislature? Stay in the Soul Eden and experiment with the new Spawn? Perhaps attempt to hunt down Jak personally? So many options.... too many, I fear, for my seat of power has brought me more responsibilities than there is time-at no point shall I ever be 'done.' As a timeless existence, this does not bother me in the slightest. Still.....







What should I do right now?
>[Captain Falcon (strictly Corporal Eagle) is currently working for General Carkiano as his son Vonjeen's personal tutor.]
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No. 300067 ID: 5b95eb

I'd personally say to make another deep spawn based on teleportation so Burduko can be used in exploration/fightan without hamstringing the economy.
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No. 300068 ID: 4a3736

I still don't think you can hunt down Jak. He's too tricky, spatially. It's like trying to catch a hagfish.

... Speaking in the vein of that metaphor... I wonder if there would be a way to trap him with his own Tractomancy, somehow. Like using a chemichal to swiftly harden a hagfish's slime.
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No. 300078 ID: a6ba65

What is Dregas going to do with Acronum? I can't recall. I guess we could try and institute a gold standard and international banking, offering our gold-backed Mordre Marks against other nations at appropriate exchange rates. You know, spread our face far and wide, make it synonymous with trade and prosperity.

Besides that... maybe start using it to transcribe some of the better magic books in Arkus's collection? Spread the love, so to speak? If every kid in the State can afford a magic primer, well... we're going to get a bumper crop of new mages in a few years.
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I say extend the offer to Corporal Eagle; sign up with us (he can still be dispensed to the Carkiano family if he likes), and we'll send him to train under a living legend who will teach him magic specially suited to his current state.

Also, Jojo and Heol (and Ugrokk! Yes, I'm going to keep harping on that), Oz and his disciples. Physical dreamers, and Ghosthand. Why have we not made use of this synergy? Almost all are amputees, capable of learning both styles. If Oz and his kids learn physical souldreaming, they can manifest a weapon from dream- which I bet could be made from Lortoxite, or a dream equivalent! Cue Breaker lessons for the upper-tiers.
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Know what? Keddic and Arkus both got to take a bromantic roadtrip with Mordre, and Bang and Boom will soon be departing on a father-son outing.

It's time to partner up with Kyorto and hit the road.

I say, it's time to go find the Morgren. Check in with Bobobo if we don't know where they're located yet, but I seem to remember them being in the swamps. Fly on over with Kyorto in tow, disperse the eyes. A mage caste from old Mosmordre, and a Soul Grave? We'll have them eating out of our hand. Then we send them into the Cursed Lands around Kyorto's old tower; they like fighting, they can start clearing a little of the area of beasts and freakiness.
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No. 300088 ID: 903f16

>>300066
I'd like to start out by calling up a council meeting and discuss the introduction of redundant communication systems. Phohn is great and all but I hate putting all our eggs in one basket, so let's try and make use of Arkus' old danger rods, maybe modify them a bit. If we can get them to send two different types of signals and turn them into magical telegraphs. Get these modified rods placed in every outpost and major settlement. This would streamline Eisenhardt's efforts to unify the research of all the outposts and get our trade amped up that much more because people who didn't have access to Phohn before now have a means of long distance communications.

Call Arkus back in too, I have one thing he should work on. He knows blood magic now, the only thing that was stopping us from reproducing the blood togas and blood cloaks was that he didn't know, that isn't a problem anymore. As much as I love to pile work onto him I want to make this easy, just ask him to come up with a method to produce it, we don't need him to get the whole process running up himself. I think we should outsource the blood toga and blood cloak production to the Premen. The Premen are exceptional at blood magic and they could use a decent project to put their newfound industrial strength towards, blood togas should be just the thing. After they get the production going for a while and we have a nice surplus I'd like to either sell or donate some to the Harksburtons. With their mastery of blood manipulation and knowledge of Keddic's own blood cloak they should be eager to get a hold of these. I think the same case might be said for the blood swords we have, but we as well have him try to come up with a replication method for those too.

After that I'd like to get a status update on Scars of Yesterday. The last we heard he was subdued and awaiting the destruction of his controller, as far as we know that controller was Trollzaru. So now that he's dead and Scars of Yesterday is ours can we do something to him? I mean we have quite a few plans regarding him, I for one want to farm him for Black Steel by using Murhyihal's supply of protometal, a metal that takes the form of that around it, by shaving off parts of him and replacing it with more protometal until Murhyihal's supply runs dry and then repeat the next day until we get enough to have five thick and razor sharp coils instead of three ribbons for the Sable Executioner. If that doesn't work we could at least send him off to fight for us in the Second State. I'm a bit wary of any suggestions to eat him and collect his furnace though, I'd rather have his body around than not. I'd prefer that if we eat any other Soul Grave it would be the first Soul Grave crafted by the Mosmordren Empire. Think of that combination, the first and the last Soul Grave fused together. Mordre would literally become the Alpha and Omega, I bet we could harvest some serious belief off of that.

And for the love of god we need to reset the loyalty of the Deep Spawn we created prior to making our soul, while we are not at a risk for Mordecai leaving anytime soon I don't like to leave things hanging around to bite us in the ass. I think we should just get Dorgrum or Eldghodd to do it in exchange for making a tunnel from their part of the system into the system under the state. And because we're making Deep Spawn again I think I might as well toss up my digging spawn again - Calvern embodies the concept of CAVES. Its form revolves around BURROWING and AMBUSH. Before anyone gets cheeky I just want to make it clear it's not the sole purpose of the spawn. It's a giant burrowing creature, it's combat applications are extensive and we can use it to dig mines quickly or have it help in excavations.

>>300078
>Also, Jojo and Heol (and Ugrokk! Yes, I'm going to keep harping on that), Oz and his disciples. Physical dreamers, and Ghosthand. Why have we not made use of this synergy? Almost all are amputees, capable of learning both styles. If Oz and his kids learn physical souldreaming, they can manifest a weapon from dream- which I bet could be made from Lortoxite, or a dream equivalent! Cue Breaker lessons for the upper-tiers.
Seconding, particularly the portion involving physical dreaming because it's an idea I've been holding onto for a while. I've actually dug up some old chat logs that had a few good points in them - http://pastebin.com/JWnjRdvD. It's actually a little odd how these are more relevant now then they were before because Ulzrick is a full physical dreamer now instead of just being taught by one, but anyway we should get him in on this because it will do amazing things for his fighting style. He should also bring the crippled Premen with him because Oz can always use more students and I think he'd find the Premen to rather robust and capable, plus they already come with mechanical limbs they've learned to use.
>I say, it's time to go find the Morgren. Check in with Bobobo if we don't know where they're located yet, but I seem to remember them being in the swamps. Fly on over with Kyorto in tow, disperse the eyes. A mage caste from old Mosmordre, and a Soul Grave? We'll have them eating out of our hand. Then we send them into the Cursed Lands around Kyorto's old tower; they like fighting, they can start clearing a little of the area of beasts and freakiness.
This sounds good. I would like to get Welgahoo to clean a portion of the Cursed Lands out before we get on to this. It occurs to me people forgot why he's useful for that and I just want to point these people to what happened to the Premen that tried to eat something from them. In case you don't remember that incident he died, became a zombie, and tried to attack us with his mutated chest mouth. If we decide to go now and are successful very quickly I suspect we'll need to redirect food to the new Morgren zone until they can sustain themselves. I also want to be safe as hell on this expedition, try to have Kyorto cloak us in illusion magic while we use our eye to amplify it on our self. Let's avoid being seen on this mission until we need to talk to them, I don't want to chance anyone spotting us on our way to recruit them.
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No. 300101 ID: cfb5d5

Prediction : If our relationship with Mordecai is ever revealed, Kyorto will immediately betray us to join him.

That's why I'm going to ask >>299861 again. I want as much dirt on Mordecai as we can possibly get. As it is, we may be able to paint Mordecai as the mastermind behind the Curse and alienate him from Kyorto that way if we play our cards right.
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No. 300108 ID: d429c4
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300108

>>300066
They eyes have it. Last time I posted this image, it was said to repost to enhance the process. Well, here it is.

We have been told how to enhance Deep Spawn by altering their Chaos-Order Balance as they're forming, so we should try it. Use your Magic Amplifier to boost your Soul Magic to be as powerful as possible, and strengthen Tallagga's Order as much as you can, and then do the the opposite to Orochoth, strengthening his Chaos. To insulate them from each other, boost the strength of both the Order and Chaos in Zagrath's soul.

You should test what if the Amaranthine Annihilator now counts as a Soul nexus, if so, you should ask Kyorto to show you how to network it with the Soul Eden and your other weapons.

Oh, and Restrict your Chronomancy.

Investigate ways of controlling multiple bodies at once. If the previous suggestion of using the Heaven as a bridge between bodies won't work, then experiment with using Arkus' tractomantic golem control rune set as the link to spread your soul over..
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No. 300118 ID: 937a70

In the recent rounds of improvement we have neglected Sable Executioner. To address this I want to follow two paths.

First, when we acquired Luo of the Winding Path we had this idea:

>I wonder if I found enough Black Steel that I could convert my entire right arm into it, if the soul's..... roots, I suppose, would allow this effect it's had to spread even further..... a thought to consider.

To follow up on this idea First a quick self check - How much Black Steel would we need to turn our right arm fully to Black Steel.

Then I want to task Ellayia with finding stores of Black Steel. The Instructions are to ONLY locate and I prefer stores available for purchase if possible. I'll also instruct Dregas to hold his eyes open for Black Steel in the legal markets.

Second I want to improve our relationship with Luo of the Winding Path. Given his location in Black Steel, his origin in the Land of Dragon and how we sucked him up after someone else killed him, Luo's opinion of us can't be favourable.

An improved Relationship should improve the general performance of Sable Executioner, increase the chances for a Soul Nexus in the right arm and with some luck might net a special technique for Sable Executioner.

To work on this I first want to learn more about Luo of the Winding Path. The name and the fighting style are clearly related to the Lined Ones teachings in hindsight. So to start I want to Phon up Keddic for these questions:

1. Has the Lined One ever mentioned other students to Keddic, either to praise them or caution Keddic against them?

2. What is the Lined Ones stance on Students fighting or killing each other?
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No. 300121 ID: 1854db

>>300108
If we're going to mess with Zagrath's soul, we will only be able to nudge it towards order or chaos. It is pretty obvious that we want to shove him towards Chaos. Possibly even full chaos.

This requires us to have his full trust though. Let us call him. Zagrath, the one who seeks to see the chaos of life in all its glory... Would he care to chat with us? How does he like the new upgrade? How does he like our skin-golem mage lady friend?
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No. 300132 ID: 5b95eb

>>300121
Chaos? I thought the AA was more towards order? I'd rather go for Order for the magic-piercing anyways. And it might help with the warping.

And I don't know if we can tilt Zagrath's balance. I don't remember. We have his cooperation, but I don't know if that includes order/balance tilting.

Downvoting any order/chaos shifting of Deep Spawn because holy shit I don't want to fuck with any of that just yet.
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No. 300133 ID: d429c4

>>300132
>Downvoting any order/chaos shifting of Deep Spawn because holy shit I don't want to fuck with any of that just yet.

Read the meeting with the administrator that explains how to empower Deep spawn.
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No. 300148 ID: cfb5d5

Speaking of Deep Spawn, have we already redirected the loyalty of our first Deep Spawn away from Mordecai and back to us yet ? If not, we should totally do it. Like, RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

Am I the only one worried about the fact that our potentially worst enemy could wrench control of our most powerful allies with ease or something ?
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No. 300195 ID: 8b0de1

Jak Stryfe is not unique, is he?

Consult Bobobo about him. Get as much of information possible.
Ask what kind of trinkets Jak is using, what their abilities and specialties are. (we know that he has Emperors sword which lets him to Dream Tractomancy, I don't think Mordre know that though)
Then ask him the best possible ways to counteract his ability.
The same question but add "with the resources and assets we posses and can call upon"
How to kill/disable him without destroying his equipment.
The his possible hideouts in that region.

After that we should brainstorm with our lieutenants (Arkus, Ulzrick, Kyorto, Dolrick, Ellayia, etc) on best possible way to remove this nuisance.

>500,000 Marks debt
Does this dept include the loan from Mordreden?
Who do we owe this money? Have we paid off the debt to Castillenth?
I think I know why Castillenth wants us to rejoin the alliance again. I predict that if we agree with their terms, they will use this pact to gouge us into fighting against Athenes. We should not agree with them and just make the priority to pay off their debt first.

I remember that we used Bobobo to predict deposits across our lands and exploit them. I think we only went to explore the places wich had 95% chance of being correct, right?
Are they fully operational and being exploited at full rate with no place for improvement?
Then we can start looking for more deposits which had lower chance (lets say 85-95%)

Mordreden and State should work together. Since we set up Mordreden to be a hub of Technology, they can trade mining equipment and such with the State.
(Can we get more rubies from Mordreden? We are the owner of that place after all)

Also, can we ask Bobobo about (pirate) treasures and hoards which have been lost/hidded? We could use some influx of money around here.

>[Captain Falcon (strictly Corporal Eagle) is currently working for General Carkiano as his son Vonjeen's personal tutor.]
Cool, did we heal his arm or get him a replacement?
If he lacks arm and we can just heal it, but at the same time can't commission very expensive arm from Gialgorra, we might want our Premen engineers to make him one as a placeholder till we are out of debt.
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No. 300213 ID: 09b517

>>300148
This is very important.
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No. 300219 ID: a9629e

Ogramarick was a back-up plan for Trollzaru. This back-up plan is currently inactive because his existence is sealed away in that bit of his soul. If we were to unseal that bit of soul, Ogramarick would remember who he is, and Trollzaru would be back, although linked to Ulzrick. Now, the masks currently seem to only try to test their wearers with their mind control. If Trollzaru was a mask, I suspect that the next time Ulzrick put it on, Trollzaru being a filthy cheating yeti, he may do some weird ass-shit, like working against Ulzrick's magic rather than helping, and possibly forcing a zenith to try and grab control. As such, we need to warn Ulzrick if we ever attempt to unseal that shit.

Eisenhardt has a problem with someone he can't even name without getting raped. Now, I'm just going to rule out all the planeteaters here, because the axe wouldn't help him in the slightest when it comes to that. Also ruling out giant dragon for the same reason. Then I'm going to rule out Dolrick because he's working with us right now. So who might he have his problem with? Why the only other person Lenryt said might attempt to nab at us when we were in the future. Arcturo Fissykus. As such, if we ever attempt to genuinely ally with Fissy and his kingdom, we'd make an enemy of Eisenhardt. If we end up at war with him, he's likely not only to be more loyal, but someone whom we should consult with as if he hates the dude that much, he's probably done what he can to study him. This also means Delroga's axe probably has Fissy's information stored in it, and now that we're so good at combat curatiomancy we may be able to use that information for ourselves.

Arkus. ARcturo FissyKUS. Clearly the names are related. Arcturo definitely has something to do with Arkus, but what? Well, given that we know names are part of ownership, I'm going to say that Fissy has magical ownership of Arkus. But why? I'm going out on a limb here and saying that Arkus was originally someone Arcturo wanted gone for some reason or another. Maybe he pissed him off, maybe he was a threat. So Arcturo took ownership of him, renamed him to strengthen the ownership, then used his chronomancy bullshit to deage the guy. Then sent him into the streets to live as an orphan. Whatever his plans were for the unclaimed soulgrave, he decided he needed a proxy. What better proxy then someone whom you magically own? So this would be why Arkus was chosen to go out and wake up the golem. This has some pretty important implications. For one, he fucking owns our closest ally who's been with us through everything! So we need a way to combat that. Now, maybe Arkus can get a new name somehow, but I'm think that if he agrees to get a Deep Spawn imbued in him, that should fuck-up Arcturo's ability to take control, we just need to word the restrictions properly so that if he takes over Arkus, he can't use Arkus to take over the Deep Spawn. This information might be enough to convince Arkus to let us put a Deep Spawn in him, but given that Eisenhardt won't even say his name, it'd be a bad idea to just flat out tell Arkus that since Arcturo might be able to intervene.
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No. 300220 ID: f225c2

We should give Burduko and Bobobo an extra core each.
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No. 300221 ID: f225c2

5
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No. 300222 ID: 937a70

>>300148 Give a suggestion as to how.

We don't have enough eggs left to get them all by combining Mordecai soul Deep Spawn with Mordre soul empowered eggs. I am also not sure if that fully overwrites Mordecait's ownership or only adds Mordre as co-owner.

And using restrictions to lock Mordecait out needs to get the wording right or it will backfire on us. Perhaps as idea something like an inability to perceive orders from Mordrecait or an inability to recognize/interpret any message from Mordrecait as an order, but it needs to be worked out more.
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No. 300225 ID: 43c4dc

We can achieve more in exchange for the prisoners.
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No. 300231 ID: 8b0de1

>>300222
>Give a suggestion as to how.

actually we know how, we have know for a while now.

Eldghodd can rewrite the ownership as he was the original creator of the cores.
We need to speak with him.
He'll probably ask a price (mortals, tech). We can easily get a lot of fresh bodies by sending Burduko nad Rutgur to sweep the country sides of the continent and catching any and all regular (non-heroic level) bandits they come across to. Or sweep the ocean and catch pirates and such.

Or trade for technology
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No. 300282 ID: da1ddb

We should give Bobobo a second core.
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No. 300294 ID: a6ba65

>>300219
On the Arkus bit, I believe it was decided that Lenryt was the one who sent him to us, although we do not know why.

We don't know her relationship to Arcturo; was she trying to deny him a resource (my personal theory is that Arkus was somehow created or born to Arcturo in order to funnel the paradox and shit Time would otherwise reserve for a chronomancer who has pulled the shit Arcturo has, ergo Arkus's general unbroken string of bad luck before he ran into us) and give us one, or could this be something in the realm of a fallback plan, with Arkus working as an unknowing Fifth Column sleeper agent for Lenryt or Arcturo?

>>300088
Seconded on Welgahoo and using illusion to mask the trip, the digger spawn, togas and redundant communication, Scars (if that works without overly damaging the thing, I still like the idea of Scars and Mordre tearing up the field together)... pretty much everything.

Also, have Mordre test out Colossi at first opportunity - preferrably with the Morgren, if we do that. Tendrils and geometric patterns, it sounds kind of like we can now move our armor in pieces like movable shields to better deflect or block incoming attacks.

I really hope there's no way for a scientomancer to have our body-spawn stage a blood coup of the body, or we're in trouble, considering pretty much every part of us is so infused.
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No. 300301 ID: 059fc4

>>300294
on the topic of arkus, have we tried asking Bobobo what would have happened to him in the other timelines?
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No. 300308 ID: 097e6e

I assume that the limit to the fake eye replicas Tallaga grants is twenty, as they are presumably Tallaga's spawn; and that those replicas do not allow Mordre to perceive Truth nor use illusions as those abilities are granted by Orochoth (unless Orochoth also creates eye replicas)? Also, could Belief--from the pool generated by the Heaven Forge and possibly the pool generated by the people of the Land of Dragon's veneration of their honored Ancestors, if Zagrath can tap into that, since the people were exposed to him when we first met Jioga and thus entered into the public conscious--be directed Zagrath's way, to perhaps alleviate any strain that may be placed upon him from the Deep Spawn implantations and/or the multiple areas of perception that the eye replicas grant.

I still like the idea of Mordre working on how to create Deep Spawn alone by using the concentrated proto-souls of White Blood ala Keddic's Blood Lions with Dorgrum (and possibly Jojo and Heol, for Dream linking maybe) helping to create the link(s) between proto-soul and Mordre's soul, which would allow exchange of a soul fragment and therefore stimulation of the proto-soul's growth into a full soul. Where Mordre gets the blood is of no matter, since Mordre could simply create them with Curatiomancy; while it would probably also inhibits Nidhogg's growth from eating them, the proto-souls in dragons could also be used, I think.

Also, there was that interaction of the seed of Chronomancy stolen from Trollzaru with the Heaven Forge; was that ever explained? And what was in Balboa's box; what was done with the Lightning Cleaver?

>>300088
>Jojo, Heol, Ugrokk learning Ghosthand and Breaker
I am going to tentatively support this; and I still think that Ugrokk learning how to adapt the technique Breaker uses to integrate his armor into his body is a great idea. Since Ugrokk professed reluctance on learning Ghosthand, and showed no aptitude before, perhaps Oz should focus on teaching Ugrokk the technique for Breaker, instead of Ghosthand? If so, mention the focus change, and the possible usage of the Breaker technique with his armor, to Ugrokk; that should help with his reluctance and get him to show more enthusiasm. He could learn Ghosthand from Jojo and Heol, I think, after they adapted it into Souldreaming.

>Welgahoo improving the Cursed Lands
Yeah, Welgahoo would be helpful with growing normal plants fast enough to possibly drive out the Cursed plants; still, Welgahoo is not a combat Spawn: since it is focused on improving the land first and foremost, I highly doubt that Welgahoo has anything more that minimal combat capability. So, others need to fill in; one of our combat Spawn--Nihilino, Mothbern--needs to be there, or, if Kyorto could get some Morgren, the colonizing Morgren to protect Welgahoo. (>>300078 has the good idea of taking Kyorto along to the south-west of Trodar to the Morgrens; consider it seconded.)

I prefer the Morgren, actually, though I am leery of possible consequences of taking out a band of Morgren with Kyorto. However, having Kyorto locate, assert control over, and then transport a colonizing band of Morgren to the ruins around her tower, where they are to go out and kill monsters and cut down dangerous plants (incidentally protecting Welgahoo, who is busy growing plants, possibly along side some Drazken Makers, who are growing more food for the Morgren's and their consumption), sounds like it would be a good idea. That the battles the Morgren get into would probably spill their blood, which naturally would give Mordre access to their Blood Iron to integrate into the Soul Eden's alloy (and the rest of the blood, fodder for the Ark), is a bonus.

>>300195
>Bobobo
Yes, use Bobobo for any treasures around the Western Islands that could be looted; perhaps possible locations for the Gaze could also be found?
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No. 300340 ID: 5b95eb

I don't think we should be trying to get Heol to learn ghosthand or teach souldreaming or whatever down in the LoD. I recall the original creation including a bit about being bound to Mordreden, and I don't really think it would be a good idea to move ... her?
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No. 300376 ID: 903f16

>>300340
No, she's shown the capability to move outside it's walls before. Specifically she accompanied Arkus and Jojo when we went to our plot of land in Gialgorra's island and had our down time before the big fight with Domintus.
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No. 300388 ID: 5b95eb

>>300376
Right, forgot about that.

Hey did we buy that robutt, and did the possession thing work? Can't recall.
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No. 300397 ID: 903f16

>>300308
>Since Ugrokk professed reluctance on learning Ghosthand
Ugrokk was reluctant to learn Ghosthand because he viewed it as being too similar to the magics he saw Trollzaru use to create a spectral arm in place of the one we severed. Now that all memory of Trollzaru has bee wiped from his mind he should no longer have any qualms about learning the style.
>I highly doubt that Welgahoo has anything more that minimal combat capability.
You are vastly underestimating the abilities of of our noncombat Deep Spawn. They're still Deep Spawn and have a ludicrous rate of regeneration that protects them from anything short of an attack direct at their souls. They also have the ability to manifest their own spawn to aid them. Yeah of course it'd be helpful to have other spawn on hand, if only to make sure they're doing something useful, but don't assume a Deep Spawn can't do something it wasn't created for.

>>300388
No, it would have brought the Premen far over their allotted funds. In the future try to put questions in the discussion thread, it keeps clutter down and Bob checks it so you can get answers from him sometimes.
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No. 300422 ID: d2f744

>Eldghodd can rewrite the ownership as he was the original creator of the cores.
>We need to speak with him.
>He'll probably ask a price (mortals, tech). We can easily get a lot of fresh bodies by sending Burduko nad Rutgur to sweep the country sides of the continent and catching any and all regular (non-heroic level) bandits they come across to. Or sweep the ocean and catch pirates and such.

That's a possible third way. But we need to pay for each appointment with an Administrator and I think payment for actions on our behalf has to be delivered immediately. Before we arrange a meeting with Eldghodd we should also consider what other business with want to conduct with him and inquire with Dorgrum to prices and feasibility. Getting answers from Dorgrum, even asking Eldghodd through Dorgrum, doesn't cost us anything as that is Dorgrums current function.

IIRC we currently must ask Dorgrum to apply restrictions for us. Learning to do it ourselves should be a topic for our next meeting with Eldghodd.

So as suggestion for Mordre, meet with Dorgrum and question him on
1) Eldghodd rewriting ownership of some of our Deep Spawn.
2) Learning to apply restrictions ourself
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No. 300441 ID: cd63e9
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300441

i'm new here, and this may be a bit off topic, but using Burduko could we set up some sort of kill sat? possibly something based on rods from god concept.
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No. 300442 ID: d429c4

Now you're wearing different bodies, you probably want to try making your magic items usable by more than just your golem form.

Imbue your crown and mask with the morphic size shifting property.

Start the production lines for morphic metal, so that you can consume enough to make your entire body mophic - or alternately, just directly imbue it.

Try to reverse engineer proto-metal. You previously worked out that it was most similar to the Core Being, of all the things you've seen. Follow up on that insight - visit the transformed Timmy and study him. Lenryt did say that there were aspects of the Soul Furnace technology that remain unexplored - perhaps they can be adapted to your Soul Eden.
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No. 300446 ID: cd63e9

>>300397
agreed. with the whole anathema thing, he can ruin us with even half a minute of control by using phone to talk to the wrong people. perfect communication combined with a teleporter means he can do allot in a very short amount of time.
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No. 300448 ID: cd63e9

oops, linked to the wrong post. ment >>300148
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No. 300495 ID: a9629e

>>300422
We've already learned how to apply restrictions. Happened in the second Bob post of this thread.
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No. 300500 ID: b5ebec

>>300441
Already been done, using Mordre as the projectile.
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No. 300529 ID: cd63e9

right, but a dedicated platform would allow us to use orbital bombardment without tieing up mord. also, if we can make the attack platforms cheap enough we could build multiple. this would give state forces a massive advantage. it would mean a very small force that can mark targets could wipe out massive conventional forces, and posse a threat to unconventional forces as well.
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No. 300533 ID: 5b95eb

>>300529
Broggamek wouldn't let us keep anything in space.
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No. 300537 ID: 7cb42a

You know,I think that we've we've forgotten one crucial piece to Mordre's disguise as a kind old mage. We have a body, a apprentice, a home and even Mauser, but there's one person that we haven't thought of yet, Illia the maid. Considering how often she's been mention by 'Mage Mordre' it be strange to some people and dangerous for the big secret if we don't get someone impersonate her, or at least think of a good excuse to explain her absence.
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No. 300541 ID: 489566

>>300537
Pointless paranoia, she's obviously at home and the only people who know she exists are fine with us already.
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No. 300545 ID: cd63e9

>>300533
he's only interested in gathering objects holding belief. he's not a dumb animal but hes not a master schemer. he might not bother taking out attack satellites if they are small and leave him alone. as long as we can figure out some way to do this cheaply I say its worth a shot. hell the only thing that would be in any way complex would be the targeting method.
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No. 300547 ID: 059fc4

>>300545
too much effort to do(remote aiming, firing and loading? were still entirely dependant on phone for longrange communication), not enough payoff as Mordre can do nearly anything the satilite could do better. also, after one or two shots it would earn itself a good deal of belief from any surrivors and then the dragon would eat it.
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No. 300549 ID: f0e3ae

Predictions:
1. (I hope mordre knows about keddic's blood maid; and can thus make this prediction):

Keddics blood maid describes her masters as having lost their morality to the point that everyone arrayed against them. She is extremely submissive and self depreciating as if her own opinion holds absolutely no value and only absolute obedience must be given... and appears as a maid. she has a soul, and is a person independant of the host. It is not unreasonable to imagine that her previous masters were abusive or at the very least very harsh. It is possible that she possesses the ability to refuse orders but has been conditioned not to (harshly)... if harksburton continues to treat her well she might open up and volunteer more history, and also she might eventually grow as a person to the point where she might actually disobey orders to his benefit (aka, saving him when he orders something insufficient to save himself, and she comes up with a better plan)

2. LoD venerates the souls of ancestors. LoD has many sentient ancestral tombs which are not treated as anathema. The hero soul from the LoD in you considers you anathema and will not speak to you. It stands to reason that he takes that view not because of you being a sentient golem, but for being a stealer and destroyer of souls.
I predict that if we present to him the case that we did not chose to be a soul furnace and in fact have chosen to become an eden (at great cost), he will be much more receptive to us.

Commands to give (near instant, do all of them right now in any order):
1. Order phohn to start start working on communication with lenryt based on the fragment of her power within you.

2. Same as above, but with the odd beast that follows us.

3. Order deep spawn: “you may manifest minions of your own volition whenever you deem it to be useful for whatever task you are currently performing”.
“You may assign control of your minions to my other deep spawn of your own volition whenever you deem it to be useful for whatever task you are currently performing; for example assign them to tactical spawn control, or if need be someone elses”

4. Get your administrator deep-spawn to keep track of important dates for you and notify you in case you forget.

5. order deep spawn: If I give you an order to do something and you can think of a better solution that fits my goal, and there is time to debate, tell me of it and let me decide whether to stick to original plan or modify it (ex: teleporting golem very energy draining unless done inside box; we had to figure it out ourselves without being told by the person doing the teleportation; we set 1 hour a day for trade, would more or less be more produnt? etc.. basically the spawn should speak up like any NPC would rather then acting as automatons)

6. (optional, vote on this people, maybe it would be a bad idea to ask him) Ask the paradox knight in our keep (reinheard or whatever his name is) if he is willing to help us “come out” to some of our more loyal followers (bang, keddic). His help would be to remove the memory from their mind should they react negatively (he has already shown that ability)... or get a deep spawn with memory altering abilities... actually getting one with that ability would be awesome regardless... note that already some humans, lenryt, the paradox knights, and the premen all know our secret.

7. One of the ragegluts lost his personal sword, one of the only two things he owns, cost him 2 years wages... he lost it fighting for morde... Mordre should get him a new sword; use phohn to contact him, ask him how much it cost, then order appropriate funds teleported to him... should take seconds).

8. Order teleporter deep spawn: Whenever I order you to teleport something that would take more than 10% of its total power reserve OR 10% of its current power reserve, it should immediately do it, then inform us via phohn about the estimated power drain. If it requires over 30% use its judgement on whether it has the time to inform us of the drain and ask confirmation, or immediately execute the order.

9. Order the hiring of teachers in giatora islands to teach premen makers more about technology.

Things to do (takes time, do in order, sorted based on both importance and expected time investment):
1. I am completely unsatisfied with goran, mordechai, and that vile yeti’s souls within us... especially with the power goran exhibits within us, he already consumed TWO souls within us (the first destroyed, the second, the yeti, not completely gone, and now resides within him... recursive...) and is growing in power... Both he and the yeti within us started consuming the “landscape” (you / your soul) around them during their fight! This is DANGEROUS and must not stand, we must somehow disempower them, either stealing their powers into our own soul, draining them slowly until they are “normal” souls and go into the eden... or Utterly destroy them. ideally absorbing their powers but its better to lose their power then it is to risk what they could do...
IIRC bob actually WARNED us about the danger of consuming hostile souls now that we are a soul eden and not a soul furnace. Everyone completely ignored that and ate the yeti anyways - This should take some time but should be #1 goal.

2. Mordre should help cure nagging wife, and somehow protect her from going insane. - A high priority, but no clue how to approach this, look for info on the side while doing next in order.

3. Make several face mask designs for morde, learn to switch between them quickly using powers, allows “expressions”. use friendly face when needed, scary face when fighting. - Not terrible important, but shouldn’t take longer then a few hours at most.

4. Make it known that you have transformed your soul grave into a soul eden... While there are benefits to letting people commune with the dead within, its too dangerous to us so lets not explore that avenue. Anyways, if you explain the nature of the soul eden and what normally happens to sould people might actually WANT to go there at their death. - Shouldn’t take long, just make a speech.

5. Timmy has become a soul eden... Make it known that in addition to your soul eden, timmy is also one... use geomancy, magnetomancy, and poumancy (is that the one that lets you grow plants?) to turn it into a beutiful monument and a place of ancestor worship. - shouldn’t take long.

6. We need to finish solidifying lubu’s power ASAP to get the TWO boons from lenryt. Taket he intitative, go to the LoD and start going after his enemies, converting them or killing them.

7. Perhaps morde can make a personal appearance in domintus controlled lands, without his pretty mask, to explain to the people how he slew domintus... They should be more receptive to a soul grave claiming to best domintus then the soldiers.

8. Use geomancy to build fortifications on your holdings, or commercially. Use it to rapidly rebuild towns, roads, bridges, etc.

9. Need to figure out a way to selectively harvest souls.

10. Need to passively draw in souls the way domintius did.

11. Consider binding non combatant deep spawn to never fight... only avoid foes. this should be worth a good boost to power. But before you actually do that, consult with your deepspwan rep in mordreden about expected power boosts / dangers of the above. Perhaps even bind a select few to be ethertial (cannot touch normal matter)?

12. I notice that when we gave the teleporter guy the second egg he had a “look” that indicated his appreciation of us grew... it seems that while bound to absolutely obey us, it is possible they are not bound to LIKE us... perhaps getting to know their emerging personalities would ensure they do and allow them to grow.

13. Make heatsinks in the railgun to improve its natural heat dissipation. The blood magic circulation should allow rapid dispersion of heat through entire form.

14. Officially join the paradox knights in order to start rising in power within the organization.

15. Officially join the mortal coil in order to start rising in power within the organization. As long as you can do so safely.

16. Find Lortoxite, make a golem armor (very very thin layer) for morde out of it. Start out with joint armor. Or maybe make a skeleton for morde out of it... starting with the joints. Can be found in trollwood

17. morde needs invisibility, that way he could teleport to where bang slew a hero, reap the soul, then teleport back. And without “stealing the show”.

18. A powerful enough soul mage morde could craft a gift to bang that lets him capture souls when he deems it appropriate, this should transfer said souls to morde and conversly, transfer “mana” from morde to bang via the item...

19. geo mines - design shaped charges

20. get a “skin” of precious metal for better magic... just a very thin layer covering whole body.
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No. 300555 ID: cd63e9

>>300547
hmmm. what if we designed self guiding projectiles and just had Burduko teleport them into orbit above the target?(he can only telport to places he's been but he doesn't breath so thats not so hard to get around) put an explosive on the far side of them, something that will be drawn to whatever is used to mark the target on the tip... we could probably place all sorts of restrictions on the guiding spell. (only works when white hot, only works while falling, only works 300 feet or more above the ground, etc)it would still be spawn reliant, but would be cheap and would not have anything up in orbit for our oversized friend to knock out.
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No. 300561 ID: 91d141

>>300549
We could use our knowledgement of organic soul graves and graft the hostile souls into our soul or we could use the restriction powers to limit those souls in such way that they would become harmless.
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No. 300563 ID: f0e3ae

>>300561

I like both approaches.
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No. 300566 ID: cd63e9

>>300561
can we add restrictions to hostile souls? either way, for now i propose that we stop consuming hostile souls, unless we feel we would be able to sway them to our cause. though i suspect we are going to have to learn more soul magic to render hostile souls safe.
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No. 300572 ID: f0e3ae

I wouldn't outright stop consuming hostile souls so much as limit it to ones who are probably not going to threaten us. Most of our consumed souls are hostile, but I think only goran, mordechai, and trollzaru are threats.
Don't bite off more then you can chew as they say. The ONLY reason I even consider those a threat is because goran has, while within us, already eaten 2 souls and grown stronger, we should at the very least stop him from doing that. And the yeti because his soul somehow survived consumption by goran. And mordechai for obvious reasons.

In retrospect, I would actually prefer them to be siphoned of power and consumed entirely then merely shackled... cause fuck them.

Souls that are too powerful to eat yet and are hostile can be frozen in a crystal until we are powerful enough to consume them entirely.

And we should set the 2 spawn that make up our Soul Eden to direct the souls within, working them over towards loyalty to us. eventually when we figure out a way to make souls grow in quality within the eden we should limit such growth ability to souls we have so "converted". Currently the vast majority of them have been enemies, and fanatic believes in 2 false gods we slew.

Morde: It occurs to me that Castilian is being... troublesome with their demands of me. Furthermore, the king might outright try to slaughter harksburton family for "being uppity" and the top families includes known monsters like the heckle-whatever family (the one who keddic fought and defeated)... perhaps it would be a good idea to have spy spawn investigate which warrior families could be allies to harksburton and start networking... and misdirect the king for a while, target him at the heckles family... perhaps when he finally strikes, with our backing, he could be toppled by an alliance of warrior houses and keddic become the next king of castilian. Making them close allies to mordre's growing holdings.

Also mordre should try to find an alternative source of alchemical enhancements for keddic's family ASAP. Currently only a few out of hundreds have them.
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No. 300573 ID: cd63e9

I second you soul policy, however I don't think kedrick would turn on the king, not unless the king struck first that is. He is a very loyal and honorable man.
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No. 300579 ID: f0e3ae

>>300573
1. We have confirmation that the king is planning to butcher keddics family for no reason other than them gaining power too fast for his paranoia.

I didn't suggest a first strike at all, and certainly not betrayel.
I suggest positioning forces, alliances, and machinations in places so that IF/When the king strikes at keddic and his family out of paranoia, have keddic take over.

2. Now, if the king somehow does not do that, then we have the choice:
A. Create some subterfuge that only morde and the deep spawn know about to make it appear as if he had.
B. Strive for keddic's promotion to being the first warrior house, close to the king, and get friendly relationship with the nation through him...

I am honestly not sure if A or B is better... but its an entirely moot point because all evidence points towards 1 being the case.
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No. 300581 ID: cd63e9

sorry to double post but i think i worked out how to make an easy orbital bombardment system. first we take Burduko on a ride though space, so he can teleport objects over areas of interest. what we have him teleport are specially prepared tungsten spears. The spears are enchanted with limited Tractomancy, and Kinetimancy. The Tractomancy spell is limited to do one thing and one thing only, keep the spear pointed at a paired beacon that someone on the ground has planted. Its job is to keep the spear on track, and make sure it can find the target. (bound to only work when no one is holding the spear, bond to only work when the spear is above the ground, bond to only change the facing of the spear.) Kinetimancy is what will actually make sure sure the spear goes where its supposed to. by constantly pushing the spear forwards along the path its pointing at. (bond to only when no one is holding the spear, bond to only work when the spear is more than 700 feet above the ground bond to only work if the spear is pointed at the ground, bond to work only if the spear is dropped, not if it is thrown.) neither enchantment needs to be that strong, (epically with the restrictions on it) so I don't think each spear will cost that much. This will allow the state army(and air force) to call down devastating strikes by coordinating though Phohn. The spears would be fairly study, and could be stored almost anywhere, making preemptively destroying them very difficult. This would be an excellent force multiplier for the state forces.
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No. 300596 ID: a76809

>>300068
...Jak Stryfe-irritating as ever. But his particular prowess in spatial manipulation make him un-huntable. Barring some being of Lenryt's power, I doubt anyone can actually pursue him against his will. ...But if only there were some way to turn his magic on him, take his Tractomancy and build him a cage of it...

>>300078
Phohn, have Dregas make his first project with Acronum the production of more of our new legal tender, and to continue to spread it into other lands via international commerce.
He has been so informed
Now, open a connection of Jojo, Heol, Ugrokk, the other magitech-prosthesis-bearing Premen, and explain the nature of Oz's school to the South-just a brief rehash for Ugrokk-and extend an offer to learn a new martial craft thanks to their losses. Also contact Oz himself, and inform him Ugrokk will have time to resume attendance, and with him will come many interesting potential students that he may wish to look at.
...Both messages sent-Premen response has been overwhelmingly positive with those already posting responses-and that group has now reached majority and continues to grow. Oz himself wishes to know if the Deep Spawn trainers will be coming back
...Vangurd, Zelgoto, Aggocrag, Akeakam and Murhyihal are currently free-they could go.
Oz notes he will welcome the temporary students with open arms-and the returning student in their midst most of all
After confirming that Burduko has transported them-slightly increasing the fatigue he bears on his pre-existing dual-existence in transit-I consider something that has been on my mind for a long time, something I learned long ago that I swore to do-and never followed up on. A known link to my past, to the nation that forged what is now my Soul Eden, that raised the mage that ultimately begat me in his workings. The Morgrens... who are compulsively bound to the now fallen empire, crafted super soldiers that would be most inclined to defer to Kyorto. With just her, my Soul Eden and hybrid golem faux-body, I could potentially add tens of thousands to the total roster of my army-a third force to join Premen and Dionepan Sphere-worshippers-turned-bioweapons. ...With THAT at my back, I may not need to play so 'nicely' and confine myself to virtuous acts-I could have power enough behind me to more openly display my gluttony for death and war.... more importantly, I'd deny any potential enemy from somehow using them against me.

>>300088
Next I speak through Phohn to Arkus, asking him to revisit the danger rods, and see if a mass-produced version, with a two-character communication method (on and off) could be crafted. His response is 'I'll look into it.' Next I Phohn up Mingsk and the other shaman of the Drazken, requesting that they take over Arkus' initial research into making Blood Togas-a challenge they happily accept.

My next set of telepathic communication is not quite as enjoyable. I still have no answers for why Scars of Yesterday vanished from its vault eight days ago-vanished from a room warded against scrying or teleportation, vanished from under a 24-10 miniature army of guards, all of whom have been thoroughly questioned, vanished in a three minute window without anyone the wiser. Thorough investigation of magical residue, conferring with Bobobo and Kyorto, I slowly assembled and minimized a suspect list-once the name only had eight individuals listed, I passed the research and list on over to Dompaggio-who took all of half a day to determine the name at the top of the list was responsible: Arcturo Fissykus. A Master Chronomancer, one who manipulates time without the need for Dream magic, would have exactly the right skills for their theft to match the circumstance. Given that I know Castiliathen to already possess one of the original ten Soul Graves, as well as having a stone golem quite literally as large as a mountain, the High King's new acquisition is not something I enjoy considering. As he is still Keddic's liege, I can't strike at him-and quite frankly, every report I've seen suggests that in terms of military might and magitech access, Castiliathen still leaves the reforming Azelhaedran State in the dust. ....I suppose I must table this one... for now.

...Having a Morgen army at my back could help level the playing fields....

I call up Ulzrick, and explain I'd like him to start attending lessons at Oz's school in the Land of Dragons, to start whenever he can arrange his schedule to accomodate it. He groans at the thought of even more training, but does not refuse. He does express some concerns about leaving Dolrick effectively in charge of the Second State whenever he's out training... a concern that seems well founded.

>>300101
[Was already flat out stated, not eligible for Pristine]
I task Bobobo, Dompaggio and Arcanum with assembling a list of all Mordecai's crimes that even a Mosmordren National would find distasteful, and to populate the list only with transgressions he has a 90% chance or higher of having committed in this reality. ...Perhaps Kyorto's diehard loyalty to the onetime Duke can be swayed, before she ever learns I'm keeping his murderous soul trapped in semi-stasis within the Soul Eden.
>>300108
[Fanart used to prevent Mordre from using Chaos/Order manipulation that would result in a Chaos/Order Collision centered on his face. ]

>>300118
I Phohn Dregas and Ellayia, informing both to keep an eye out for those possessing Black Steel that would be willing to barter, as I consider my woefully neglected right arm. I've intended to finish converting the whole thing to the material for some time....

Next I Phohn Keddic, asking him a pair of questions: Turns out the Lined One NEVER speaks of students to his other disciples, rigidly enforcing his policy-but he DID comment he has no issue with students fighting each-other, even to the death, noting that such battles are the most likely to engender Moments of Inspiration. ...Not the information I was looking for, but I can use it.

>>300121
Zagrath?
The one titled Mordre, the glitch made king- It wishes to parley with the dead long gone?
Yes, I was curious how you find your new modifications.
Power overwhelming is mine-but at a cost, For now voices of two whisper in my ears, Reminders my own soul is no longer alone.
Without another word the communication is broken-and I wonder if my actions even further unbalanced Zagrath. He was a Psychotic killed to begin with, bound within a Small Tomb for more than a decade, bound in my eyes, infused with crafted souls then merged with Deep Spawn-to quote Arkus 'He's crazy layered on top of crazy cake on a crazy plate with crazy sauce and a side order of NUTS'

>>300195
I set Bobobo yet another task-this time to compile all data of all Jak Strifes throughout existence, and assemble a list of likely abilities, motivations and hide-outs that could be applicable to the one in our reality. The living book cautions this will take some time.

>>300148
>>300213
>>300222
With the rest of my mini-council having departed, I decide to make a trip of my own-I exit the building, still possessing my golem form, and fly towards Mordreden, calling ahead to inform Dorgrum I wish to speak with Eldghodd, about rebinding Deep Spawn, and I can order another tunnel to the surface built if it will accommodate a swift meeting. Eldghodd meets me at the Drazken capital, I order the new tunnel begun-and an hour later, after sequentially bringing in each of my oldest Deep Spawn, their allegiance is re-assigned specifically to my own soul-and not Mordecais. Eldghodd offers no comments as to this discrepancy-but I can feel his curiousity piqued by the very fact I had to ask.

>>300308
[In Balboa's box: Recall potions to take the consumer into the heart of one of Weinsho's controlled outposts-SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDY when you were trying to off him. And the Chronomancy seed thing-Bobobo can't comment since it's effecting Mordre, so you'll have to look for the truth yourself.]

>>3000388
[No you did not buy the mechanized body for Heol.]

>>300442
[Ask Bobobo why mixing Belief and spatial warping metal (Morphic metal) is a 'Bad Idea' (TM)]

>>300549
[......31 bullet points... I mildly dislike you...]
[1: Mordre does not know of Ellenaym, and you prediction has a critical flaw that prevents the accurate portions from being relevant. 2:Haha no Luo would still hate you at that point.]

Phohn, would you be able to open a communication channel to Lenryt-a direct line, as it were-using the fragment of her power she left in me, within the Immortal Genocide?
I shall do what I can, Administrator Mordre
And that strange beast that now that I think of it I have not seen for quite some time?
I have nothing with which to establish such a link-Administrator Mordecai's soul is too potent and alert for me to manipulate without risking my own existence
Please convey these orders to all of my Deep Spawn-and yes they apply to you as well: “you may manifest minions of your own volition whenever you deem it to be useful for whatever task you are currently performing”.
“You may assign control of your minions to my other deep spawn of your own volition whenever you deem it to be useful for whatever task you are currently performing; for example assign them to tactical spawn control, or if need be someone elses”
"f I give you an order to do something and you can think of a better solution that fits my goal, and there is time to debate, tell me of it and let me decide whether to stick to original plan or modify it."
Both orders have been conveyed, with 60% of Deep Spawn reporting they were already doing what the first two orders suggest since you had issued no orders one way or another
[4:Nope-Mordre/IE Posters got to remember things, otherwise this could get so automated its not really a Quest.]
Phohn, communicate to Dregas that I will need to commision a sword for a fifty foot tall warrior, in replacement of his own that was destroyed while directly in my service. We can converse on the funding specifics and sword capabilities at a later time-say tomorrow, before the daily meeting?
Communicated-Mortal Dregas requests no new tasks until he has tackled these new ones and gotten used to using Agronum
Oh yes-let Burduko know that from now on, in non-time sensitive situations, he should appraise me of roughly how much energy it will cost him to teleport someone or something-anything above 5% of his current energy stores would be noteworthy, I think.
Informed
[Are you SURE you want to keep exposing your Premen army/Dionepan zealot-filled sphere to other outsiders?]

Midnight looms.

[ [DAY 205: DAY 5 OF CYCLE 3 OF MONTH 7]
[Corday of the Third Cycle of Malanius]


A new day has begun-and I have roughly eight hours before the new day's governing meeting starts-






What should I do with my eight hours of free time?
What topics/decrees should be brought up in today's meeting?
[Please do not multipost so much)
>[DAYS IN-GAME LEFT UNTIL BANG BOOM TIME RUCKUS: 05]
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No. 300604 ID: fb1ee0

>>300566
You do realize that your suggestion would cripple us in a unacceptable manner, now about restriction, considering that they already are ours and exists inside a dimension of our own creation, yes we could.

>>300572
I think that we should only eat them if the restriction fails, Trollzaru soul didn’t survived consumption by Goran, and all the plans he had to revive himself are over with him erased from existence.
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No. 300609 ID: 8b0de1

Scars of Yesterday stolen?

I'm sorry, but this is complete bullshit and you know it. The very first thing we tried to do when getting it under control was to re-assigning ownership, when we learned we couldn't do it we searched who was the owner of it, after learning that it was Trollzaru and having his threat level increase again we finally went after him.
Considering Mordre actions, assigning ownership of Scars to himself (or another ally) would have been high priority instead he chose to put it in a vault? Considering that we had been robbed by Jak before, Mordre should have known that this could happen again. At least by establishing necessary connection would prevent others using it even if the managed to steal it.
And not to forget the numerous times we suggested to strip some of its metal for our arm.


As what to do for now...
Well, I suggest we try to recruit the Morgren however we can.

Also, going to repeat my suggestion to seek out hidden/lost hoards of treasures using Bobobo (set hi other tasks on halt if need be). I want that debt cleared as soon as possible and perhaps acquire tons of disposable cash. God knows Dregas needs it.
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No. 300617 ID: cd63e9

he may of stolen scars of yesterday, but he might not of been able to claim it. unless that goddamn yeti did something so we specifically can't claim it.
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No. 300618 ID: 5b95eb

>[Are you SURE you want to keep exposing your Premen army/Dionepan zealot-filled sphere to other outsiders?]

Nope

And I don't think we should go after the Mogren either, so Auto-pilot Mordre doesn't start going really evil. We're supposed to be the good guys after all.
And we've got enough on our plate at the moment.
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No. 300627 ID: 1854db

>>300618
>good guys
HAHAHA NO. Mordre is very much evil, but he is good to his friends, and tries to make friends fairly often. Anyone that opposes him, however, meets a grisly end. Also Mordre is trying to pass as a good guy, so that he doesn't get attacked by shit he can't handle.

NOTE: If Mordre expects people to not fuck with him because he has the Morgren, he's going to have to let people know he has the Morgren. It is common knowledge that Mosmordre controls the Morgren so this would expose him, or Kyorto, as being from Mosmordre. This would be bad. So if we do get the Morgren it should be ONLY to prevent our enemies from stealing them.

Mordre: List off where our Deep Spawn are and what they're doing. Most importantly, where is Velada?

OH, have we refreshed Weinsho's crystal prison? Can't let him out, no way no how. ...what happens if we store the crystal in our newly discovered Soul Eden storage? Could we manipulate it via our Soul Eden? Hey Mordre, maybe you can store the Mage Mordre body in the Soul Eden, then possess the Mage Mordre body in order to walk around in the Eden. Granted you would have to make sure you will still be able to possess the golem again and eject the lesser body.
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No. 300636 ID: 5b95eb

>>300627
I didn't say "We are good guys". I said "We're supposed to be good guys". The whole conquering hero shtick. Something that Mordre has said himself will let him be more open about his gluttony for death and war... A bit worried automordre might do something we don't want him to do.

Also yeah add another layer to Weinsho's crystal prison.
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No. 300641 ID: cd63e9

something to keep in mind, as a soul eden instead of a soul grave, its dangerous to consume hero souls that we can't turn to our side. acting in an honorable fashion, being a good ruler, and having an ultimately noble goal will make that much easier. Hell our ultimate goal right now could probably sway some of the more honorable heroes in us. For selfish reasons or not, we intend to essentially from whole cloth, make a peaceful afterlife. Now that is a vision that can get people on your side.
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No. 300648 ID: cfb5d5

>>300627
You're also wrong. Mordre isn't so much Evil as he is True Neutral with an emphasis on Magnificent Bastardy.

For tasks...tell Arkus to step up his researches on remote golem control. We're actually going to need it soon if we don't want to be constantly stuck in the State.

Actually, a future long term project could be to create several golem bodies that we would then be able to tie together into a hivemind of sort.

If Arkus can't come up with a working solution before the BANG BOOM TIME RUCKUS, then my suggestion would be use some Pristine Souls to create a Soul Nexus into the decoy golem's body.

A bonus advantage to doing this would be that even if Mordecai take over the Soul Eden we'll still have that Soul Nexus to flee to.
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No. 300652 ID: d429c4

What with the continuing trend of our stuff being stolen, we need to take care to prevent this happening further.

So, without further ado, we should nail down everything we own.

1) Our Weapon Grave should be Restricted to only manifest its powers for us or those we nominate.

2) After having the runes on it copied down, we should have the Weapon Grave eat the Lightning Cleaver.

3) We should have Fjordak walk our golem-body around as an escort when we're in our "human" body, so the Soul Eden is rarely our of our sight. This should also reinforce our pretence at being human. When the fake human body isn't being used, then it can, as suggested in >>300627, be stored inside the Soul Eden's storage.

4) We should implant a Deep Spawn based around the principles of control and artificial selection in the Sphere. We can then Restrict it to only serve us.

5) We should take the large Golden (the Colour of Belief?) Sapphires we found in Mordecai's study and implant them in the Immortal Genocide. It is this device, inverted, that is responsible for one of most useful abilities, partitioning Faith Soldiers and Golems from our Belief Engine. Enhancing this can only serve us well.

6) We need to master Trollzaru's Soul Anthology, to get access to his remaining secrets. We should start off by going and hunting down any remaining Yeti Shamans, particularly any heroics, to dissect them body (for genetic spell equations) and soul. We have already purchased the knowledge of the organic soul grave's spell equations, which is one of the other pieces of the puzzle.

7) We also have three enormous amethysts to use. Now, the very word amethyst means clear-headed, so the obvious location to mount a pair of them on your Soul-Eden's skull. For the third, well, you were complaining about the lack of clarity of your thoughts in your false-human body, where the brain would be in a human.

8) Have Velada guarding Weinsho's location. Get some of our people to duplicate the wards protecting the Arcanoworks around a place that we can put him.
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No. 300661 ID: 059fc4

>>300652
>5) We should take the large Golden (the Colour of Belief?) Sapphires we found in Mordecai's study and implant them in the Immortal Genocide.

downvoting this until we find out just what those crystals are


>>300609
for the most part I agree with this post, just locking it up seems uncharictistic even if it was extremly thourgh.
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No. 300677 ID: f0e3ae

>>300636
Lets take the alignment debate to the discussion thread.
thread 2 got full so here is the current thread:
http://quest.lv/kusaba/questdis/res/342978.html

>>300604

Alright, fine. Just as long as we can prevent him from eating further souls within us.

@bob: Sorry for the 31 bullet points. I started taking notes at about thread 7, when I finally caught up I spent hours sorting them, ordering them, and then deleting obsolete ones (for example, the administrator spawn idea? I came up with it the moment we made phohn and the teleporter guy...). Ended up with 11 bullet points for discussion thread, sorted everything in order, and deleting a whopping 2/3 of my suggestions for being obsolete.

Anyways, it was really a one time thing, shouldn't happen again. Maybe hiring teachers to go to the premen town is a bad idea... lets buy a bunch of books on the subject.

So, 60% of spawn already did that... good, now 100% of them will.

What to do in the 8 hours of night... I say, figure out various facial expressions for the mask. not separate masks, but use your ability to change yourself to change the current one.

And start considering methods via which to bind or drain hostile souls within you based on your current knowledge of soul magic and binding... would really help if you knew more soul magic, so I suggest putting local affairs in order and aside from a select few hours a day go help lubu, so that we may use the 2 boons from lenryt to master soul magic.
There is currently an agreement amongst posters that we should do something about them... but we are currently split between "absorbing them, reducing them into nothing" and "bind them, making them safe and tame". But currently we are not sure mordre can do either, he needs better soul magic knowledge.

Idea: Ask the admins you know to tutor you in admin magics. in exchange for making tunnels for them.
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No. 300679 ID: 259738

>>300674
Burning both boons on increased soul magic sounds like it would be a little wasteful. At least spend one of them to solve the Mordecai problem, by subsuming his soul into Mordre's. Probably get more soul magic that way, anyways.
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No. 300683 ID: d429c4

>>300661
>downvoting this until we find out just what those crystals are

Gold is the colour of Belief, so the Golden Sapphires we have are Belief based in two ways, for being gems and for their Colour, so are uniquely suited to this use. It may be more efficient to use one of the Golden Sapphires to upgrade the Belief Engine, and one the Immortal Genocide, depending on how large they are.

It would make sense to ensure that Mordre, not Mordecai Owns them before doing this.
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No. 300685 ID: f0e3ae

>>300679
I was under the impression that using both would make us a soulmage on par with weishno or better. Which allows us to:
1. Solve mordechai issue.
2. Solve goran/trollzaru issues.
3. Eat weishno
4. After eating weishno, potentially eat dominitus.
5. Find a way to let souls in eden improve.
6. perform various works and long term plans with regard to edens.
7. much more
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No. 300690 ID: 259738

>>300685
Mordecai is already better than Weinsho, as a legendary soul mage, so having his powers would do the same thing. And cost one less boon. Mordecai also was a Chronomancer, and while we don't want to risk screwing around with Chronomancy, knowing how to work the Pristine soul thing as originally intended could be useful. Plus, even though Eldghodd reset the allegiance on our Deep Spawn, that doesn't necessarily mean that we are getting the benefits we should be getting from them. When we create them, we give them a bit of our soul and take a bit of theirs. That is supposed to give us some portion of their power as they grow, and we haven't seen any of that, so Mordecai could be leeching it still. We want that power, and two boons worth of soul magic don't guarantee we can do the same things with soul magic Lenryt can manage.
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No. 300715 ID: 856690

In the interests of not being found out to be an artificial soul, we need more appearances in the fake meat bag body, need to sort out what the sphere dwellers story is too.

I am also in favour of devouring/sealing Mordecai. First step in doing that is getting him out of our soul-grave then eating him. If we can find some way of temporally locking only his soul, that should sever our connection.

Only problem is if Mordecai is ejected he won't go without a fight, he'd probably try to possess somebody or sometime, so whatever we do to him it is best done when we are alone...

Well as alone as a being with a belief engine can ever be.
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No. 300750 ID: 767798

The more I think about Luo's contract on Keddic, the stranger it looks to me. I am sure it wasn't Barcho who hired Luo. And given the Line One doesn't ever talk about a student with another student, killing Keddic for being a Lined One's student as I lately thought seems very unlikely now, too.

An idea for a Pristine Soul: Maybe the strange animal is a tracking warhound and Luo was hired by Dowson to get him an example of Blood Magic as practiced in the north. Dowson knew about Jeddic practicing Blood Magic due to Keddic's time in the Land of Dragons. We will likely see Dowson attack Keddic as soon as Keddic stops supplying Dowson with Rageglut blood. Dowson will be using the blood sample Keddic exchanged to remote control Keddic, while the new Rageglut Warhounds will physically attack.

Now on to learning more about Luo. I'll discretely ask Oz if and what he heard of Luo of the Winding Path. I'll also ask the Lined One if he is willing to talk about Luo to us. I'll offer to tell the Lined One about Luo's death. If he requires prove, Keddic should still have Luo's sword in his possession. I'll not volunteer I have eaten Luo's soul, but will NOT deny it should the Lined One guess it. Instead I will repeat my words to Hieryou,

>"The lands I call home actually have different laws concerning the soul, That being that the crimes of life pass on to the soul, making them culpable as well. ...Consider it like this: A soul is still precious, simply not any more so that an individual's life, And so the crimes of the body pass on to the soul... I am not legally minded, so forgive my explanation."

I'll add absorbing Luo was my only immediate chance to learn why an assassin was after someone I sought to ally with.

>What should I do with my eight hours of free time?
Spend some time recalling all those instances of empowering Deep Spawn eggs with our own soul. Try to recall how it felt, what exactly happened. Also pay extra attention the next time we make a Deep Spawn what happens with our soul. Maybe we can spot a pattern or gain a feeling for how splitting off a part is accomplished. Learning the technique has some very interesting potential uses.
Also spend some time mediating to feel out our own soul and the golem body with our passive Soul Magic. Compare the sensings of different types, like Heroic Souls, Deep Spawn, our soul and normal souls. Maybe we can learn something more about Soul Magic.

>What topics/decrees should be brought up in today's meeting?
The Meeting with the Golden League and the Mahnlea Mountains - have we done those yet? Or did we leave them hanging without answer? If we left them hanging, send each an apology citing needs to organize ourselves and offer a meeting.
Also who do we share borders with and do we have official channels of communication with each neighbor? If not, that should be a goal for the immediate future.
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No. 300763 ID: f0e3ae

perhaps we can consult lenryt on the specifics of the boon. but yes, if absorbing him is not doable via double soul magic boon, then use one boon to absorb him then the second for soul magic. I was hoping that since we already know basic soul magic, that 2 boons worth would make us a legendary soul mage. And having a super soul (420 mortals + 15 deep spawns + 3 pristines) and currently being in charge and having the eden bound to us will let us overwhelm mordechai.

I am also hoping soul magic should also let us better extract knowledge from souls, there is all that magic in souls in us which we have no access to currently. And also selectively harvest souls in battle.

Are we then in agreement on prioritizing lubu for those boons (whatever we chose to do with them)? I would love to get the morgreen and the frogmen but the boons are too delicious to delay.

Also: So keddic's king not only wants to kill keddic for being uppity, he now also stole our soul grave AND is threatening our nation...
All the more reason to have deposing him to be replaced with keddic as some sort of longer term goal. We should start digging up some dirt on him.

[1: Mordre does not know of Ellenaym, and you prediction has a critical flaw that prevents the accurate portions from being relevant. 2:Haha no Luo would still hate you at that point.]

mmm...
1. Ok, how about its just keddics musing, even if mordre can't get a pristine keddic could advance via understanding.

As for what I got wrong... oh, could she have been restricted towards obedience the way deepspawn are rather then having been conditioned?

2. oh, I failed to consider that regardless of all that we still forcibly took HIS soul. which violate's his own soul's right... Yea, I don't know how we can make up for that... maybe we can ask him how we could make amends? although its probably not worth the time investment right now; so something for later.
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No. 300807 ID: cd63e9

I just had a troubling thought. Is it just me or is Mord starting to feel a bit more vicious? When he first started out he really didn't have much in the way of emotions, but because of the strong belief that he was a kind old mage he started picking up the mannerisms of one. What if that process is still ongoing, and it’s starting to make him experience emotions but as a war golem he's bad at them? If that’s the case he’s going to get progressively more aggressive and angry, with a greater and greater longing to revel in war and bloodshed. Unless the belief that he’s not that kind of person gets strong enough to overcome his innate emotional instability.
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No. 300814 ID: 903f16

>>300596
>What should I do with my eight hours of free time?
I think we should use the Golden Sapphires as the basis for a techno-organic set of lungs. These lungs would work towards allowing us to breath in belief magic, this belief is then taken in by our blood in the same fashion that oxygen is taken into the blood in humans. The belief infused blood then flows into our techno-organic heart and is pumped through our body, suffusing it with belief. I imagine this would work somewhat similarly to how Broggamek eats belief, but the physical action being much more similar to how we suck in a soul. The belief we take in may come from the very air itself, errant belief from other belief users, or perhaps stolen from objects around us. Whatever the case may be I think this would be a far more suitable use for the gems and a fairly powerful upgrade for our Soul Eden, perhaps even a weapon we could use against Weinsho that would allow us to finally consume him.

Either that or we call over Kyorto and ask her to teach us how to network Soul Nexuses together. I don't know why we haven't done this yet, it would give us a lot more options in combat. I'm kind of surprised I've had to suggest this one twice.

>What topics/decrees should be brought up in today's meeting?
That bit about Dolrick being in charge of the Second State while Ulzrick is gone is troubling. Can we have someone else take up the lead like Ellorika or Vespinto? I would say Carkiano but I worry about the guy trying to divert resources to capture Jak. I mean we have to have someone capable in our fold, or at least someone that can pull double duty.

And we have that anti-magic crystal sword sitting in storage and no one to give it to. How about we design a little competition around it? A state wide swordsmanship competition offered to every citizen that is not currently a part of the military or government. The winner gets both the prized blade and an opportunity to join in a specialized soldier program. This is where the fun part comes in, I know Gunpowder_Symphony has been working on a series of magical super soldier augments and Alratan has plans to try a super soldier program that would render someone magically inert. I propose the winner gets to choose which program they would enter as the prototype for, second place getting the remaining option. The specifics of the programs wouldn't be shared though, simply the prize.
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No. 300820 ID: f0e3ae

lets not use up the crystal yet. but yes, call over Kyorto and ask her to teach us how to network Soul Nexuses together.

I also agree that Dolrick's position is a concern... We need to figure out what he wants, i wouldn't want to have him as an enemy unnecessarily. Remember that he is more powerful than lubu, and much much more powerful than us.

As for the tournament... why limited to non military personnel? I actually think it would be better to find a national hero from the army and award it to him. Actually, we need to better integrate with the various heroes in the national army. We are limiting ourselves to our "home grown" heroes where there are tons of them in the state military that now owe their allegiance to us; find out who they are, who is trustworthy and put them to good use.
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No. 300825 ID: 903f16

>>300814
Oh and about Torruga's new sword, I think we should consult him on the matter. He might not be familiar with the style of swords used outside of the Land of Dragons, perhaps he'll take a liking to what for him will be an exotic blade type. Beyond that we could copy the runes from the lightening cleaver onto his blade, I wonder what kind of things you could do at that scale. Either that or we try for some synergy with what Keddic taught him, make his sword an up scaled version of the blood stealing blades we had.
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No. 300838 ID: a6ba65

In lieu of Planet Eaters being available for discourse and Bobobo being busy, I say we try and figure out how to use what Trollzaru left behind ourselves.

We mastered sending things within ourselves while we were fighting Trollzaru, and now we know the way to move between bodies as merely Mordre, neither Mage nor Golem.

Enter the seat of Belief - the Soul Eden - as just another soul, albeit the massive natural soul we formed for ourselves in the True Dragon mountains. Take with us the chunk of crystallized Time which the Fan called the soul anthology. We should still be safe, considering we're huge even without the other souls of the Eden backing us, and Yamanatos and Rdifanre are on our side.

I think this may be helpful for two reasons; one, to see just how things are getting on inside the Soul Eden, and how the Chronomancy seed Trollzaru gifted us with might be best applied within. And two, the soul journal is a record of Trollzaru's past and power. With it, we should be able to at least finish Goran's digesting of Troll or (my own preference, here) recreate Trollzaru within the Eden, a Trollzaru that recognizes that ruling Eden (co-ruling with Goran under the eye of the Administrator and Gatekeeper, at least) is better than us tearing him apart again.
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No. 300846 ID: f26e08

We could delegate when it comes to the Morgen. We could send Kyorto. With her illusions she could appear as someone unconnected to Mordre.
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No. 300847 ID: f0e3ae

I don't want either of them ruling our eden. I want to consume them, and if we can't then binding them so they cannot endanger us, cannot endanger the eden, cannot consume any soul that ever enters us.

and it seems incredibly risky to reform him within our eden using his seed. I would rather consume the knowledge for ourselves somehow; and if we act without knowledge it would be too risky.

Mmmm... pristine souls were used to make the soul eden as well as other amazing improvements. How about we use those to let us consume mordechai's soul into our own? without losing our identity in the process. Or several for the generic ability to do so to any soul within the golem (so we can do it to mordechai, trollzaru, and goran... and then try to use it on trollzaru's chrono seed)
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No. 300849 ID: f0e3ae

sorry to double post but this is important and I keep forgetting.

I vote that we "lock down" ulzrick reducting powers with the following limitations:
1. May reduct injuries instantly after they are received with just one person saying so.
2. Any other reduction of reality requires a 4 vote lead in favor of such a reduction. (so if 2 vote against, you need 6 to vote for it).
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No. 300853 ID: 097e6e

>...Vangurd, Zelgoto, Aggocrag, Akeakam and Murhyihal are currently free-they could go.
What about Ekron? Barring Lubu-guard duty, there doesn't seem to be any actions that prevent Ekron from training with Oz and his students.

>Scars of Yesterday
...Yep, Chronomancy-blocking is now standard for all locations in which important things are stored. Probably a time-stabilization field like Velada's that covers the walls, floor, ceiling, and the entire room is best.

...Though a sufficiently skilled Chronomancer could just travel back to a time where the runes were not yet applied, and then do whatever unimpeded by Chronomacy-blocking runes, probably.

>Sword for Torruga
...Say, could something like Valiria' sword be made? That is, a sword that generates more swords. It would fit in with his style of manipulating his sticky blood; he could then wield multiple blades simultaneously. Mordre could provide the metal for the sword, and possibly shape it so that the only things left to do concerning the sword would be the hilt and enchanting; that should help with the cost, which would make Dregas happy. The Chaos (and the other magics) within the metal should help to make a potent magical item.

And, >>300825 has the right idea anyways, getting Torruga's opinion on what he wants for a sword.

>[Ask Bobobo why mixing Belief and spatial warping metal (Morphic metal) is a 'Bad Idea' (TM)]
...So, Bobobo, why is mixing Belief and spatial warping metal a Bad Idea? That reveal prevents the Soul Eden from having a Morphic treatment, then, from the Belief Engine and Belief from the tungsten? And does the Bad Idea apply to Dulu's Small Tomb body and/or staff; that is, does IG's Faith Infusion kill Dulu or otherwise make Dulu vulnerable to soul consuming? Also, why isn't the Soul Eden's Heart--Goran's Morphically treated heart--being destroyed, or whatever is the reason why Belief mixing with spacial warping metals is a Bad Idea?

>[Are you SURE you want to keep exposing your Premen army/Dionepan zealot-filled sphere to other outsiders?]
Very much NO. Keep them as Mordre's back-up army for endeavors in which Mordre lets go and starts killing and consuming souls indiscriminately.

>What should I do with my eight hours of free time?
Perhaps devote an hour or more to investigating whether the method of manipulating the Mage Mordre body through creating electrical signals at the endpoint is feasible.

Then establish strong, overwhelming Ownership over the Ark, perhaps; its Ownership is still unassigned. Also, on the subject of the Ark, could a circulatory system be created for the Ark, so that Blood magic could be produced, allowing Mordre access to that particular magic source when in the Ark and another source of energy for the Ark to use when it is not being tapped for other magic? The Ark's capability of tapping into the System for World Magic could harmonize with the Blood magic generated, perhaps? If it is possible, the Drazken shamans could probably construct a method of melding animal circulatory system with plant circulatory system, which Mordre could then apply to the Ark with Pomumancy.

If the below is possible, perhaps devote some time doing that.

In any case, Phohn should be set to informing Mordre when to stop and meet with Dregas.

>>300627
>Possessing Mage Mordre body while it is in Heaven Forge to get inside Heaven Forge
That sounds like an excellent idea on how to travel within Mordre's Heaven: the Mage Mordre body is very much under Mordre's Ownership and, modeled after the Mage Mordre Belief The Fan donned, the body should have plenty of Belief, and thus would fulfill the requirements of Mordre's technique of storing things inside the Soul Eden.

...Though, given the warning about the souls having free will, and the way Faith Golems apparently work, Mordre shouldn't travel into the Heaven: the souls would try to kill Mordre, and the Mage Mordre body does not have the durability nor capability of the Soul Eden to survive attacks on a mass scale. (That is probably going to be problem even without Mordre possessing the body: it is going to be attacked anyways, with the souls fantasizing about murdering Mage Mordre in his sleep or something serving as the vector for attacks.) Unless Ridfanre and/or Yamanathos can separate the souls from Mordre while Mordre is in the Heaven Forge, it is probably a bad idea to go into the Heaven Forge.

Though, if the two Administrators could compartmentalize sections of the Heaven Forge so that Mordre only faces enough souls that would not be able to harm the body at all (or just enough to encourage a MoI, perhaps), it might be a good method of encouraging soul growth.

>>300814
>Golden Sapphire lungs
That sounds like a good idea, though preferably it would be all magic, instead of just Belief. However, barring Arkus, Kyorto, and the Drazken shamans working simultaneously on it over some time, it sounds like it would require a Pristine Soul, and, as useful as a set of magic absorbing lungs may be, it doesn't seem useful enough to be worth spending a Pristine Soul on. So, Mordre should leave implementing that plan for a when there is time.

>connect Soul Nexuses together
Wait, I thought Mordre already knew how to do that. Wasn't the Chronomancy-eating thing that was done to Trollzaru a product of connecting the Left Hand and Body Soul Nexuses together? Unless you mean a permanent connection, rather than a temporary one the Belief connection may be.

>>300838
>Anybody ruling the Soul Eden other than Mordre
No. Preferably, a method to more firmly tie Goran back into obedience (or a method of forcibly manipulating minds, more likely) would be found, and then used on the Heroic souls within the Soul Eden.
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No. 300887 ID: 252e1b

>>300853
>What about Ekron?
The purpose of a guard is defeated if he is not present to guard his charge.
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No. 300910 ID: 9ea6ca

Guard against what exactly? Ekron is basically photons and electrons, so he makes a good lamp to push back magical darkness. Which isn't something likely to happen to us in our own home.

Burduko might break the sound barrier but Ekron can move at the speed of light. He can be anywhere on the planet within moments. Having him train in the land of dragons is not an issue.

Besides I think we should try to give ALL of our spawn as much combat experience as possible. Even "non-combatants" like Dompaggio, Acronum and Welgahoo. The point is not so much to teach them how to break heads as to learn how to cooperate with each other.

If we get a chance we should hold a private council attended only by our deep spawn, and maybe arkus. Or at the very least take a few moments to speak with each spawn individually. Get an idea of the spawns growth and exactly what abilities they have.
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No. 300976 ID: 9766b6

>What should I do with my eight hours of free time?
Recall, when did we last pay rent to Gialgorra? We started the lease on day 149 with first and last month paid. But I cannot find a payment around Day 179 nor handing the payments off to Dergas. If we can't recall a second payment, go to Gialgorra and pay up or we will loose the rented land on day 209.

What is Dompaggio during currently? I want to add a long term task for him. Whenever he is not tasked with another duty he shall work on setting up and maintaining an information/espionage network in the Land of Dragons and the State. Ulzrick should have started one in the Second State already.
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No. 300984 ID: f0e3ae

>>300976
We have our men there, built a trading fort and operate there. I am certain dregas is going to make regular payments, just as he pays anyone else in our employ (nearly a thousand soldiers, etc).
That's actually the whole point of having him.
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No. 300985 ID: a99a2f

>>300976
Dompaggio is still only a single Deep Spawn. He can't be everywhere at the same time.

Maybe we should create him an assistant which specialize in actual spying, involving stealth, to complement his investigating skills.
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No. 301043 ID: c91ab3

I like the idea of putting our gden saphires to use, both IG upgrade and belief lungs ideas seem great, though I'm leaning towards IG upgrade....
Hmm, maybe we can have Dregas search and buy us another similar saphire so that we can do both upgrades.

Storing fake body into Soul Eden and possesing the body to enter it might work.
Also we should keep our sword in the Eden rather than in the omni-sheath. Whenever we put it there, it should be ever-present, always viaible and looming behind the horizon to everyone living there as a reminder of our greayness.

Why did people get the idea that other souls could somehow jeopridize our Soul Eden by taking control of it or becoming stronger. The only reason Goran could do those things is because we allow him.
There is no way anyone can harm us in our Eden if we visit it or through it.

Hey guys, consider that alot of Mordres equipment can be used on his fake body:
-now that we infused his over-armor, it can be put on othet people since it can control its size. Our fake body should be able to wear it
-Our sword van be easily wielded by our fake body
-The ruby eyes can detach amd trave with us
-if we do something to make our mask change size, it also could be worn (plus, we would have a place to store ruby eyes)
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No. 301044 ID: c91ab3

Oh also,
we should set oir catburglar friend and Dompaggio to set up, run and train spy/assasin guild/cult/network
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No. 301138 ID: f0e3ae

>>301044
An intelligence network! I vote for this! lets call it the CIA.

Ask Dompaggio if him running / working with such a mortal agency would benefit him or hinder him.

In tomorrows meeting ask if there is currently a defensive intelligence agency, one responsible for preemptively finding out about threats to the nation from abroad, and the like. If there isn't, we need one. Either as an independent organization or under Dompaggio (depending on whether he thinks they will help or hinder him)
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No. 301212 ID: fb1ee0

I just had an idea to defeat Jak, a weapon restricted to be useless unless it is used against him.
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No. 301213 ID: 5f0943

>>301212
Still doesn't solve the problem that Jak can just go 'lolno' and then he is somewhere completely fucking else.
Also his armour and the regeneration it provides.
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No. 301220 ID: fb1ee0

>>301213
Considering how much power such heavy restriction would create we could easily give it abilities like “damage caused by this weapon cannot be regenerated” and “if the target leaves this weapon range it and its welder shall be transported to the target location”
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No. 301284 ID: cd63e9

hmmmm, why not do the bind thing on a ruin revolver shot. bind it to only work on jack , and use all of its power to counter healing and regeneration. we already shot his head off once, we might be able to it in a way that won't let it grow back
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No. 301286 ID: 20a66f

>>301284
What?
No

Are you insane? You are suggesting that we make our most powerful weapon completely useless except for one foe.


Unless...
Unless we heavily rune and restrict ruin revolver ROUNDS. Now there is an idea.
Why dont we make heavily specialized shells? After Bobobo gets thorough info on Jak, we could set up making rounds for him. Rounds that work under certain conditions, which are resteicted only against him, wich have runes and word spells to counter his abilities, etc...
maybe some brainstormng is in order?
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No. 301288 ID: 20a66f

>>301286
>>301284

Oh wait
that is what you meant...

sorry for my little outburst
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No. 301292 ID: f0e3ae

Anyone else onboard with using pristine souls to om nom Mordechai's soul?
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No. 301295 ID: 53859d

Hey threadfolks, me again, ready to grow another garden of Epileptic Trees!

We have a Problem. The very fact that Mordre is considering no-longer needing to act virtuous "Just because he gets a bit of power" is stupendously short-sighted, and very much against character--he would need to be completely discounting a very large number of figures that he personally would know of, who would be a grave threat to him and any force he could bring on (Bang, Keddic, Eisenhardt--hell, a good portion of the Land of the Dragons would disavow him if they learned of his whole shtick).

Yet, for some reason, he's getting the inclination to 'Indulge in his gluttony for death and war'. Something that he's kept relatively secondary in favor of Survival and advancing his own power.

I postulate this--Word Mage has already disseminated his Secret amongst a few major figures... And if, say, for example, she was working on behalf of a certain Arcturo Fissykus, who's already shown himself to have an interest in our affairs (Having stolen a Soul Grave we captured from right under our fucking nose?). Well, a Chronomancer redacting her being eaten would explain how she wasn't there anymore when we took the time to investigate.

In short, Pristine Soul Attempt: Arcturo bought Word Mage's information, possibly including a "Get out of Death Free Clause" that he can enforce through his Chronomancy (Retroactively removing her from a situation where she may have died is perfectly within his abilities evidently). He is now fully aware of Mordre's identity, and is getting more belligerant as an exact result of this. He's probably working with my prior theory and spreading the "Mordre = Anathema" belief, to shake him up through the impending personality hiccups, and give him casus belli to not only crush the Harksburton Family (Who are allied with the Anathema!), but also openly claim Mordre's territories and inventions for himself.

We're dealing with a time haxxor who has an interest in our affairs gentlemen, I'm probably not paranoid enough!
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No. 301298 ID: 6a1753

>>301284
I like this idea, i think it can go further.

Restrict 3 separate shots all heavily order or chaos based as best fits the spells (i think order), and have Mordre Confront Jak him-self and hit him with with a shell designed only to hit only Jak and only to disable his teleport powers (might want to make a few blades like this) in the 0.003 secs he is surprised by this hit him with another shot made to weaken or out right disable Jak's magic armor and trinkets. Lastly Restrict 2 shells to only create anti-magic blast if some other part of them is in contact with Jak (hopefully inside him) Regeneration wont mean a damn in a subatomic explosion goes off in his spleen.

To inshore he stays put you could bring Arkus and ruin on nothing trick to further hamper his power. Morder can use his new eyes to hide him for all of the one second this will last.
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No. 301322 ID: a76809

>>300609
[The most famous Chronomancer on Zakrath steals something that a famous person (Gialgorra) publically whupped then gifted to another famous person (Mordre), with said item being one of a limited number of highly sought commodities, which Castilathen already had sought out one of (they have been noted to have a Soul Grave already, this making two) is bullshit? Let me ask again: A highly desirable item was stolen by a master Chronomancer from a place unwarded against chronal manipulation, and you say it is bullshit that the chronology involved with the theft is strange? ...How did you think Chronomancy looked, when viewed from an outside perspective? Did you think Chronomancy could not change timelines or something? Mordre had it-then abruptly had NOT had it for some time, because again, fucking time magic. Which is also my answer to any further concerns on this-say it with me now: Fucking Time Magic.]
>>300618
>Mordre's a good guy.
[HAHAHA YOU FUNNY GUY-I KILL YOU LAST.]
>>300627
[Funnily enough, Velada is working with Kyorto to look into anti-chronomancy rune-warding, which is a rather absurdly convoluted area of focus-even if you don't bother them, will take a while-bother them and it will take even longer. Also Weinsho's prison was refreshed five days ago, so there should be no threat of breach barring him randomly gaining a whole mess of power.]
>>300910
[You did see how Ekron can become HARD light at will at the cost of no longer travelling at Constant, right? So he is a lightning bruiser in every sense of the word-you DID catch that, right? So he's like tailor made to react instantly to threats to those he is guarding. ANYWAY]
>>300976
[Gialgorra charging rent to the guy who spared his daughter in war and returned her to him free and clear even when doing so threatened personal political fallout? Whachu smoking boy? And as >>300984 noted, Dregas is kinda there for just this-he MAINTAINS payments to soldiers, workers, etc after Mordre initiates things.]

>>300652
I consider the theft of Scars of Yesterday-how impotent it makes me feel to have someone blithely take what is mine, rewriting the flow of time so the theft was instantaneous and retroactive-and I decide enough is enough. I spend every second before the meeting kicking my anti-theft mechanisms into overdrive.
-I Restrict my Weapon Grave and the Deep Spawn within to only manifest it's powers in my hands, or the hands of any I personally identify as worthy (subject to the revocation of such privileges at any time). Even if it is stolen-it will be naught but cold metal in any other's hands.
-I also feed the Lightning sword I captured months ago to the weapon, reducing the total stealable items in my possession.
-I give Fjordak standing orders to act in concert with all the other Deep Spawn invested in my Soul Eden to follow me around when my psyche is within the crafted quasi-human body, to furhter keep up appearances-and keep my most prized possession always on hand.
-I implant a Deep Spawn in the Ark Ascendant (TOTAL DEEP SPAWN CORES REMAINING: 05), tying it to the Sphere's functionality-to find the Deep Spawn's name and form subsumed as it fully merges with and BECOMES the Ark Ascendant-unflinchingly bound to my will.
-I store the Golden sapphires I obtained not too long ago within my Soul Eden, reasoning that, if as their color suggests they are particularly heavily inclined towards belief, being placed in a pocket dimension made of nothing BUT Belief would be advantageous.
-I inform Mingsk and Lorgk alike that I need Yeti shamans alive as soon as possible for experimentation, as I consider just what I will need to do to fully unlock the mystic chunk left behind by the nefarious Trollzaru.

>>300715
As I finish my rounds, I switch back to my 'flesh' form, Fjordak ensuring the Soul Eden stays obediently following at my side as I make my way to the meeting-to find Keddic in attendance. I smile at him, warily trying to push down my power and minimize my percieved threat so he does not look TOO closely at my 'real' body, and welcome him to the meeting.
>>300750
With Keddic here, I decide to hold a mini-council with him before the meeting proper while the rest arrive, and bring to him my thoughts concerning Luo-a practitioner that seems trained in the Lined One's ways of martial craft. I suggest he could have been sent by Dowsan, expressing distrust of his research partner in the Land of Dragons-but Keddic laughs it off, saying Luo was far more likely a student trying to prove himself to the Lined One by besting a past disciple-a common enough practice in the Land of Dragons-and one that does explain why he was so polite when I met him.
>>300807
[Just because Mordre did not have as much emotion behind his indiscriminate slaughter before does not mean he was less vicious previously.]
>>300814
Once the meeting proper starts-I propose a rather unorthodox means of accruing extra funds.
>[Carkiano]"...A swordsmanship competition?"
"Yes, one open to all-with a modest entry fee-with the winner of such a contest being offered a position as a State Champion, and being gifted with an Anti-Magic sword as black as night and half of the entry fees."
>[Dregas]"Wouldn't really be cost effective with such a dispensation of funds... unless we charge spectators for seating, and use that to recoup the losses of the prize purse... yes, this could work very well-Between Burduko and Acronum, I think I can get word circulated throughout the whole of the State and Second State within a cycle-do you want the potential participant draw to extend beyond that?"
"For now no-I wish to be certain we can make the event monumental before we go fully international-especially since from some views, it will already comprise two nation's worth of potential participants."
>[Dregas]"[i]Okay... I'll get started on that.
"
"Excellent-Dolrick."
>[Dolrick]"Yeah?"
"Since countering Jak is proving so time consuming, I am sending Ellorika to take you place as official commander, so you can more fully devote yourself to that particular menace."
>[Dolrick]"....Alright."
>[Carkiano]"And just why am I not the one to fulfill that role?"
"Could you promise me you would not divert additional resources to catching Jak irrelevant of what I tell you beforehand?"
>[Carkiano]"...Point."
>>300825
"Dregas-I do hope you are conferring with Torruga about what sword he shall be provided, given he will be using it for years, decades to come."
>[Dregas]"I... will confer with him."
"Good."

The meeting proceeds to normal topics from there-with just one change, really, just one thing out of the ordinary-

A Mortal Coil Mage appears out of thin air, Tractomantic glimmers floating off his form as he peers over his volumous beard at me. His stance speaks of power, his mannerisms of wisdom-

>[Mortal Coil Mage]"Mordre, you have-"
"First off: Did not give you permission to enter into a CLOSED council meeting of a nation you are not part of-second, I am a Mage, and will be addressed as such. Third, I am the duly elected Councilor Prime, another title you failed to acknowledge-oh, and let's not forget that the Mortal Coil itself has recognized me as an Honorary Master Mage, ANOTHER title you did not mention. You also failed to introduce yourself. With that out of the way-what do you want, oh peremptory, brusque and self-important envoy? I have work to attend to."

I see his face mottling with rage as he opens his mouth.
>[Mortal Coil Mage]"You will watch your tone with m-"
"You will not tell me what to do within the very nation I run-as even the simplest civility seems to escape you, you can leave now."
Phohn, get Burduko and Rutgur here NOW.

Before the Mortal Coil mage can speak further, the pair of Deep Spawn blink into existence-and with the faintest of popping noises, deposit the mage outside of the State borders, reversing whatever Tractomantic working brought him here in the first place. As he does not immediately return, I presume him either incapable, or not important enough to make such decisions on his own-and proceed to summarily ignore his brief presence as I turn back to the meeting proper.





Lets see-The majority of my followers are here today, with even Keddic attending-what should the rest of the Council meeting be concerning?
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No. 301331 ID: f0e3ae

theory time...

Mordre was the "chaos backlash" of Mordecai soul; akin to cancer of the soul. Who later expanded itself into a newly formed "blank" soul.

Mordecai could control the body they share under certain circumstances, and the deep spawn are bound to both... but a deep spawn, when created, exchanges soul fragments with its creator and is bound to it.. how can one be bound to both? well, what if their souls intrinsically linked to the point they are essentially parts of a whole? like Siamese twins, or a person with cancer within him. Mordre was a "cancer of the soul" as a PART of Mordecai's soul, and now Mordre has grown into his own soul which is still a PART of Mordecai's soul (based on deep spawn allegiance upon creation still being to both).

Mordre and Mordecai's souls are intrinsically melded, like Siamese twins or maybe even one person with multiple personality disorder.

I predict that if Mordre merely removes Mordecai using a boon, Mordre himself would be harmed by the process as well. Even if he survives it thanks to now having a whole soul, he will still be diminished from the ordeal.

What Mordre needs to do is strip Mordecai of identity as he did the souls from which he formed his own, and then "expand" his own identity into it and meld the two completely.
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No. 301373 ID: d4f98d

>>301322
Haha, well THAT was entertaining. While a modicum of patience may have been slightly prudent, I have to agree that given his utter, complete, and total disrespect before our fellows, that was the only way we could have handled it while saving face.
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No. 301378 ID: 9ea6ca

>You did see how Ekron can become HARD light at will at the cost of no longer travelling at Constant, right? So he is a lightning bruiser in every sense of the word
I knew that already. The last time we talked about this you said that Ekron slows down a lot if he has to move physical objects. So he wouldn't be able to accelerate something and throw it. (except maybe in space). But we never did quantify his combat capabilities.

Lightning Bruisers generally punch things. Is Ekron even capable of that? Given that he is made of photons and electrons I assumed that Ekron fought by vapourizing enemies with laser/lightning/plasma bolts

Couple of other thoughts:
- If Ekron is made of light, the only reason we can SEE him is that he emits photons and they strike our retinas. If Ekron stops emitting light or diffuses his photons he would become invisible.
- Have Ekron hover in a semi-visible state behind Mordre's head. Not does this help him be a bodyguard, but it would also generate a "halo" of light that has no apparent source.
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No. 301390 ID: b7e1f1

>>300596
>Next I Phohn Keddic, asking him a pair of questions: Turns out the Lined One NEVER speaks of students to his other disciples, rigidly enforcing his policy-but he DID comment he has no issue with students fighting each-other, even to the death, noting that such battles are the most likely to engender Moments of Inspiration. ...Not the information I was looking for, but I can use it.

>>301322
>but Keddic laughs it off, saying Luo was far more likely a student trying to prove himself to the Lined One by besting a past disciple-a common enough practice in the Land of Dragons-and one that does explain why he was so polite when I met him.

Did Keddic out himself to be student of the Lined One? Or how found Luo out about Keddic being a student of the Lined One, if like >>300596 says the Lined One doesn't talk about students with students?

Also will we get answers to the questions to Oz and the Lined One from >>300750 in a later post or were the answers "No new information".
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No. 301391 ID: 059fc4

>>301322
>you say it is bullshit that the chronology involved with the theft is strange?

I dont mean to argue Bob but I dont see any post talking about this but yours, and the one you linked seems more upset with Mordre just locking scars of yesterday up instead of the several other suggestion given for it that could have been done during the time skip.

Are you trying to say that the time king whatshisname undid all of Mordres actions in relation to the other soulgrave other than locking it up using his time magic?
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No. 301412 ID: 9ea6ca

Time magic is an i-win button for two reasons. It can stop time for everyone but the user, and it can be used to rewrite history. Short of ingrained immunity to chronal manipulation from the beginning, there is no defense. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure none of you suggested we guard the soulgrave with Velada.

Anyhow chronal magic is implied to have TERRIBLE TERRIBLE repercussions so hopefully we can make that asshole get his due.

Also, in light of all this I hereby suggest we implant a second core into Velada.
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No. 301415 ID: 5f0943

>>301412
> Also, in light of all this I hereby suggest we implant a second core into Velada.

I am so seconding this. Time dickery is supremely annoying, best to have a better defense against it.
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No. 301422 ID: a99a2f

>>301415
Thirded.
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No. 301423 ID: 856690

>>301412

I second this, having Velada guard the soul grave strikes me as a good idea... what was Velada doing anyway?

Could we have Phohn give us a status check on all our Deepspawn?
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No. 301427 ID: 1854db

>>301423
Velada and Kyorto are currently researching anti-chronomancy runes. Putting a second core into Velada may help for that, I suppose, as well as making her stronger for when we bring her into the field (which isn't often enough dammit)

Also when was the last time we talked to Reinhardt? We should ask them if our recent activities are to the Paradox Knights' liking.

I'm not sure what to do about the Mortal Coil. They are really getting uppity... but caving in at this point would show weakness.
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No. 301433 ID: a6ba65

>>301412
Downvoting this, because outside of these very specific circumstances, Velada is utterly useless. I'd rather create a new spawn with useful applications outside of fighting one specific type of incredibly rare mage. And Velada can't be everywhere at once.

As for the meeting... check in with Keddic, first of all. Are the Harksburtons grasping the tenets of Mass Connection? And is he still purchasing lions, because our particular blend of magics (master curatiomancy and low-level chronomancy) should be able to re-work the beast according to its genetic ancestry. Lion becomes smilodon. And we'd like to give the idea a test-run, free of charge. Proof of concept, as it were.

Check in with Dregas, see if he has any good diplomats working under him. We should get the ball rolling on the Golden League and Mahnlea talks. Having a closer relationship with other countries could benefit us in many ways, not least of which with Castiliathen if we can pin something on them.

I'd also suggest broaching the topic of the theft with these, your closest allies. Tell them that it is not to leave this room, but that you are fairly sure the king of Castiliathen is behind the theft of the soul grave. Not only did Fissykus steal a powerful weapon from us, but Scars was an emblem of the friendship between the State and Gialgorra's lands. It would be like someone stealing the Statue of Liberty, if the statue was also a nuke. Make it clear to Keddic that we do not hold all of Castiliathen responsible for this, only its king (which he should have no problem with, considering what the king has done to him personally). Mention we are not sure what our response should be, that the State is not ready for war with a continental power, but that there certainly will have to be a response of some nature.

I was hesitating to inform Carkiano - he's a hothead - but they deserve to know. You don't keep shit like that from your allies, considering Fissykus has shown no compunction about striking at us indirectly.

After the meeting, check in with Arkus; he's been working on runes for his own project, he probably has a few that could be useful to rune the Sphere with (he's busy, but he could foist that job onto Kaisera).
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No. 301445 ID: d429c4

>>301433
Broadly agreed with this.

We should go on to suggest to Keddic that we can kill two birds with one stone here. He can send his family members down to the Land of Dragons to train and challenge themselves against other powerful combat mages. That way, they're well away from the High King, they're getting stronger, and they're helping Lubu's cause.

To aid in this endeavour, as Mordre is also profiting from it, we're willing to sell them modified golem armours - perhaps designed to have hydraulic pipe systems to interact with blood magic.

Mordre's a master Curiatomancer - can he heal the damage age has done to the older members of the family, and give Curiatomancy based upgrades in place of the Alchemical ones that are being withheld.

We are also interested in bodily runing - Arkus has developed into a bit of a prodigy in the general field, we can provide the Curiatomancy, and Kyorto can assist. His mastery of the higher orders of Blood Magic would be invaluable.

Does he have any other requests? Last time he met use, he was intending to ask about cellular runing and a soul infusion.

We can also ask him to do a favour. The mystery of why Weinsho was after Del Rogo is still unresolved. Would he be willing to inspect the man's axe? His unique talents may be able to shed some light on the subject.
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No. 301466 ID: 8b0de1

>>301322
>Fucking Time Magic

So did he manage to time-shenanigan our ownership over it, or did we never bother with setting up an owner after we killed Trollzaru. That's a major concern.

>>301391
This too.
I can understand that after dozens of different suggestions what to do with it, you decided to put it off and go perspective shifting again and let us decide when we came back to Mordre.
But not taking any of them and then having it be stolen? Besides no one had any input when making wards. It's not like Mordre didn't just deal with powerful Chronomancer that warding against Chronomancy never came into consideration.

Also, this opens a question:
If Arcturo has had such an easy time stealing gargantuan soul grave, which was made entirely out of Black Steel, meaning he would have needed to use considerably more power to move it as Black Steel nullifies magic, why didn't he do that earlier? During 2 decades of heavy turmoil in the State, I think it would have been even easier to steal it.
And if he has such a hard-on for Soul Graves, why doesn't he steal more of them? For example, Steel Fists previous Soul Grave. Sure, it was weak as hell, but it was one of the most potent and rare weapons of destruction on the continent.
I'm sure there are more Graves around, weak ones, and not as heavily guarded and warded as ours were.
The only answer I can see is that they are seriously planning to go against the State, either they want to start a war or provoke us to starting it.
Can this be used as prediction, simple one buts still: If we keep with our rapid course of expansion and prosperity, Castillenth will see us as a threat to our borders and will try to undermine our efforts in any way possible, not even stopping to provoking a war. The theft of Scars proves this theory since they went ahead and berefted us from such a powerful weapon knowing that there was a possibility we could track them down.

>As he does not immediately return, I presume him either incapable, or not important enough to make such decisions on his own-and proceed to summarily ignore his brief presence as I turn back to the meeting proper.

Hahaha!
I guess Mordre is becoming very irritated and angry. No wonder though.

Anyway, we just got notified if a glaring flaw in our security... our counsel room is not warded against magic!
So, we need to get on with that .... who knows, maybe all this time someone has been listening in or looking it. Set up the best wards against EVERYTHING.


Lets talk with Keddic and see how he is doing and ask about our findings about how Arkturo is moving against Harkbursons. Mention the theft if need be.



After the meeting, we should start working towards recruiting the Morgren. Take Kyorto with us and go there.
If they are anything like the ones from Golem Dreamer then we will have a fairly stupid but strong brute force.
I do not like the stupid part, but it is greatly in our favor that Mordre is master (combat) curatiomancer. He could easily modify them (or get Bangs help, I suppose) to be much better followers. (I don't want to baby-sit. We need powerful but also independent thinking warriors)
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No. 301479 ID: f0e3ae

>>301433
Agreed, also downvoting using extra spawn egg. Also voting for mordre providing enhancements to keddic's family. It also fits with our cover (alchemical premen, remember). And everything else that post says.

>>301466
eh, we didn't do anything so it was stolen. It happens.
Its a good prediction, he does not have a hard-on for soul graves, he stole it because it was OUR soul grave because he wants to fight us.

I wouldn't overly ward the council room... recall that of the people in the room, only ONE is not a magical powerhouse. We have kyorto, mordre, metal titan, keddic, and the blue knight...
Nullifying too much magic might make it more vulnerable

But it should get some wards... wards against external intrusion without permission and the like.
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No. 301480 ID: cd63e9

how about establishing trade with the land of dragons?
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No. 301485 ID: 1854db

Guys, Velada is still a Deep Spawn, even if she's highly specialized. This means she is almost impossible to kill. She is never going to be useless in a fight.
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No. 301499 ID: f0e3ae

>>301485
But that doesn't mean we should put a bunch more spawn eggs in her.
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No. 301506 ID: d4f98d

I'm afraid that I agree with the suggestion of adding another spawn to Velada.

We have literally NO defense against temporal manipulation, save Velada. And the High King has demonstrated this to us by stealing from us with impunity, which I cannot abide.

Implant another core in Velada. We need her to be as effective as possible.
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No. 301508 ID: d4f98d

Also, I'll be frank: You may think improving the power of our current deepspawn with new eggs is "wasteful", but you know whats infinitely more wasteful?

Creating Deepspawn whose only purpose is a glorified ACCOUNTANT. THATS a massive waste given their potential.
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No. 301511 ID: 259738

>>301508
I would still really like to see a construction spawn of some kind. Hell, maybe even two. One for construction, one for more fiddly stuff, like producing magical weapons.

Also really worried that convincing Arkus to not accept a Deep Spawn is a bad thing. Bob has said that Systems require Administrators. We don't actually know why, but we know they need them. Maybe the reason Arkus loses his body is because his System isn't regulated? And I have no idea why so many of you were so concerned about something Bob referred to as unlocking an upgrade path. The word upgrade does not imply bad things.
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No. 301513 ID: f26e08

I have an idea regarding finance and trade. I don’t think we’re using Burduko and the teleport boxes to their full potential in this area. We have instantaneous transportation between our country, the Gialgorran Expanse, the Land of Dragons, and Mordreden. Granted we are taking advantage of that with our own trade but why not open it up to merchants from all nations. We’d create some good will as well as create a dependency on our nation’s stability. And given the profit to be had, we can surely charge a high tax on all transactions. Given time, this will surely be a huge boon to our nation’s coffers. (Anybody read Honor Harrington, we’ve essentially got a wormhole junction right in our backyard!)

Also if we charge less for merchants who base their operations within our country’s borders we can create an incentive for them to invest in our nation.

This will probably mitigate any complaints the Golden League and the Mahnlea Mountains have with our trade advantage.

I could even see charging higher rates to Castiliathen or even barring them given the theft of Scars of Yesterday.

On another topic, I’d like a summary of the rest of our government. Surely, there are those unhappy with our take over and are working against us in some way. With some more information we might be able to create some sort of strategy to combat them.

I’m also concerned with our cover story. We are now appearing in person to these meetings but is that the only time we are seen outside of the Soul Grave? This seems pretty suspicious and I think something should be done about it. Not sure. At the very least, I think we need to start gaming out possible scenarios should our golem be figured out. Given our reputation for golem craft and being a recluse, perhaps it’s not too strange that we created yet another golem to interact with people for us?

On the other hand I like the idea of strengthening our cover story by introducing someone from our various attempts at acting like our bumbling old mage. Illia the maid. Perhaps creating a DeepSpawn for that very purpose? One that would be adept at emphasizing the image we desire and yet also provide a powerful yet subtle defense for our headquarters within the capital.

Asgardia embodies the concept of Subterfuge, its form resolves around Beauty and Service.

When not in meetings, I could see Mordre retreating to his rooms where only his maids enter, bringing him everything he needs. And as they move about the headquarters and interact with the other servants and denizens they’d reinforce the idea that he actually lives there rather than only appearing when meetings happen. She’d also provide Mordre with an awareness of everything that’s going on within his government down to the lowest levels as people tend not to pay attention to servants.

I see her spawn as being other maids and servants, their forms shifting at need….
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No. 301532 ID: 059fc4

>>301511
a construction spawn has my full support
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No. 301535 ID: cd63e9

>>301511
I second the construction deep spawn idea. As for getting arcus to accept a deep spawn to watch over his mini system, what if we offered to have control of it transfered to him? Though I think we should get input on the effects of doing this from someone like a science master or leynty.
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No. 301536 ID: a6ba65

Other things we might consider bringing up; what happens when a Deep Spawn is introduced to the powerful leyline energy of the capital's geyser? Either something wonderful or something terrible, I'm guessing.

If Kaisera can read runes and See magic, what happens if we have her look at Silicanthos? Can she deduce the spells that originally created it? We do have access to that geyser, and all.

How are the public works projects going? I think last we checked, the POWs were building roads. They might be better put to use as miners. And, you know, if we lost a hundred or two to 'cave ins' or 'trapped gas pockets' or whatever when in Weismahn's territory, well... it would be very sad. But I think we'd manage to soldier on.

Are we going to install governors and order over the 'Second State' towns, or just leave a small military complement? The Domintus approve of strength, but I bet they wouldn't mind if we made their lives better, somehow. Better farming techniques, or whatever.

>>301508
It wouldn't have been my pick either, but if it works like the original plan in the Disc thread, it can do a few other things:
- Printing press: take him to the Caemlo Repository or Mortal Coil HQ and let him loose in the library, return and print copies of rare magic books, for trade with allies or even sale.
- Synergy with Bobobo (working percentages to find the most likely alternate reality), Sadronm (working the numbers in battle to get more ideal troop placements, perfect trajectories for catapults or trebuchets), Ekron (reflective surfaces could potentially enhance the reach and size of Ekron's 'hard light' phenomenon), Burduko (teleport around at a high altitude, better and more accurate maps), mages (when teamed up with Phohn's telepathy, it could serve as a quantum computer like Bang's, working out vast calculations instantaneously)

>>301513
The new trading scheme seems good, but the more people that know about the boxes, the more likely the risk of sabotage; not everyone is going to be happy paying us tariffs, even it it works to everybody's benefit.

I think if 'Mage Mordre' was the sort to go out in public, he wouldn't have bothered with the golem. I think it's enough that the State Champions can say they've seen him and we can reproduce the 'Mage Mordre' body on command.

I'm not convinced we should waste its forms on Beauty and Service; it can be a Deep Spawn who is also a maid, not a Deep Spawn that's whole purpose for being is to be a maid.
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No. 301542 ID: f0e3ae

maybe we should actually make a few more combat oriented deep spawn?
Having an army of immortals would be very useful in combat.

I second the idea that if we implant a deepspawn in arkus body, it will be under his control... perhaps give him a deep spawn egg and instruct him on how to implant it himself? remember, mordre makes people want to follow him.
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No. 301544 ID: 0e504d

I agree with no 301433 in the main regarding diplomacy.
No 301445_ only a few harksburtons shuld go. We need that family there and acruing power. So that we have a loyal group to take over that coutry. Destailizing the high king and having him replaced by keddic has to be a good idea.


Totally want the maid deepspawn! Easier to detect coup attempts in their planning stages with such a warning system. Plus they would be a lethal suprise if a coup actually was attempted.
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No. 301549 ID: 059fc4

>>301544
just click on the blue number to automaticly put it in your post

also I downvote the maid deepspawn.

and Pristene attempt
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The deepspawn are working to maintain the "body" of the caged on who seems to exist in a mainly spiritual state. Arkus if he does somthing his spirit/soul will out grow his body with out a administratior to reinforce his body so that it can hold his micro planet eater soul.

Possible somthings(leveling up to a heroic mage, magicly overextending himself or possibly fumbleing a bit of soul magic)
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No. 301550 ID: 489566

Maid deep-spawn is a silly idea, just because we have a body out and about doesn't mean we're hauling around our entire household. So far shouldn't we be appearing to "commute from home" what with our teleportation network and general unavailability.

Let sleeping dogs lie, if we start introducing our staff it'll just be more difficult in the long run.
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No. 301557 ID: 903f16

>>301433
>>301445
>>301536
These ideas have my support.

I don't know about putting another core in Velada, but I do feel we should devise a way to more easily carry her with us on missions. A simple alteration to the over-armor that would allow for this would be an cavity within the armor, perhaps at the back, where she could be inserted and retrieved through some sort of locking mechanism. If we were to add hollow tubes in the armor leading from the cavity that would contain her and out the portions of armor that cover our siege fist we could fire her spawn out, like some sort of odd bee flamethrower. For an enemy to actually get at her they would first need to get behind us, do enough damage to overcome our over-armor's Deep Spawn regeneration, and then remove and kill her before she can react. An attacking Chronomancer would have to go through all of this to reach her and would need to do so without their magic. Even if they can overwhelm her protection and get through with some manner of Chronomancy they would still be in trouble, Chronomancy is supposed to have a drawback that is even worse than Dream magic's, trying to rewrite over all of our defenses to kill her would be more risky than not.
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No. 301565 ID: bc3bd1

Let’s explain to Arkus that he needs a Deep Spawn in his system and that continuing as he is may just be the reason that he will lose his body.
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No. 301593 ID: 9ea6ca

>Also, I'll be frank: You may think improving the power of our current deepspawn with new eggs is "wasteful", but you know whats infinitely more wasteful? Creating Deepspawn whose only purpose is a glorified ACCOUNTANT. THATS a massive waste given their potential.
You guys are thinking small time. Deep Spawn are quite possibly our most potent asset because their range of ability is defined by concepts, not constants.

Velada's reason for existence is to prevent people from mucking with the local timeflow. Just imagine what we could do with this. (and when did we decide she was a she?)

- Remember how Kyorto said she died because a spell made her live for a couple centuries in the span of seconds? (or something like that). Time magic is serious business. But Velada could have prevented that, so having Velada around is also a way of safely testing chronal related magics/runes and whatnot.
- Chronomancer attacks us using time to slow us down and speed himself up. Velada goes NOPEtrollface.jpg , but since were magnificent bastards we tell her to ONLY maintain normal time around the guys heart. Cue the guy fainting or instantly dying because his blood can't keep up with his body.
- Giving Velada a second core would increase the range and strength of her anti-chronal effect. This ALONE is worth a second core.

Also try not to think of Acronum as an accountant. He can do much much more, just like all of our spawn. He could run through a meteor shower unscathed because he could measure and track the position, direction and velocity of each falling rock and avoid it in realtime.

And fer crying out loud guys, we NEED to spend these cores. Keeping them around for too long makes them "spoil" and this could backfire on us in unexpected ways. Its not as if we can't trade for more, they are not pristine souls.
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No. 301596 ID: 9ea6ca

cont-

5 cores remaining, 1 reserved for Arkus, 1 reserved for Velada. That leaves us with 3. Each one is worth 100 live beings, and we could EASILY gather that many by having Burduko and Rutgur find some pirates and kidnap em.

Suggestion for using these spawn as follows:

1. Idoneus embodies the concept of Construction in the forms of Shaping and Assembly.

Originally I envisioned our builder spawn to be more of an architect/engineer type. But Bob stated that these deep spawn are restricted to not use technology. But that doesn't stop us from making a dedicated builder spawn.

Shaping and Assembly means that Idoneus can put things together by assembling different parts and then shaping them into one whole. This "welding" action can be used on any material. So he could put together a wooden table without glue or visible joints. He could also craft chainmail armour using rings that are one piece, instead of riveted or welded. This would at the very least TRIPLE the protective strength of the armour.

For particularly fine and detailed work, he could make an awesome team with Murhyihal who himself has the form of Tools.

As to what he looks like, I'm drawing a blank here. Any suggestions?
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No. 301597 ID: e41ad5

>>301596
SECONDING SO HARD IT HURTS.
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No. 301603 ID: f0e3ae

I third the builder...
And kidnapping random pirates is a much better idea then making chain ganged prisoners disappear... remember that reinheardt knows about our dealings with the administrators (to some degree) and has magic truth sensing... what do we say when he asks "where are the missing prisoners"?
But if we nab some pirates from the middle of nowhere to trade for orbs... actually this raises another issue, people can SEE the orbs and notice when the number goes up or down... suggestion. kidnap a bunch of pirates, trade them for spawn cores. Use up current cores so that 5 remain.

And as awesome as utility spawn are, we need more combat spawn... a dozen of them each with dozens of immortal minions could put a LOT of hurt. And unlike mortals don't ask questions (like, why are we rounding up pirates and selling them to an administrator)

Also, for gods sake if we sell prisoners do it to eldghodd where only our loyal and brutal premen can see it and not our human followers who would ask questions.

As for veldare, note that people said "useless aside from countering a very rare form of magic"... countering it is extremely important, but aside from the rare tryst with a chronomancer the poor thing has nothing to do... i kinda feel bad for her. The question is, would empowering her with a second egg be more useful than, say, empowering our spy spawn (who is currently overworked) or our teleporter or just creating more spawn.
We still don't know if a second egg makes them grow faster forever (continuous gain) or just gives a one time boost. If it is only one time then any upgrade should be avoided unless absolutely necessary to allow them to do their job so that more spawn can be created (they will upgrade overtime). And btw, I am getting really concerned for our teleporter with how heavy mordre's souls are getting.
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No. 301605 ID: 259738

>>301596
'Construction' implies larger scale stuff than armor and tables. And compared to what our other Deep Spawn can do, this idea seems pretty underwhelming. If you want a Deep Spawn focused around craftwork, though, a better concept might be CRAFTSMANSHIP, instead of CONSTRUCTION.

My own suggestion for a builder spawn would be Geopum embodies the concept of CONSTRUCTION in the form of MATTER and RUNES. The idea is to have someone who can actually do large scale runework, when we decide we want to build a city shaped like a rune, or a magical tower, or that we need some kind of vault to protect an item from someone with Tractomantic powers. Arkus is very good with runework on a smaller scale, but he is unlikely to have time to inscribe entire buildings with runes, and he is still sort of human. He can still get tired, and make mistakes. We don't want to assign building a rune city to him on top of his huge workload.

Other thought was that we don't really have any Deep Spawn who contribute to our unified magical theory and language except Bobobo. And Deep Spawn magic is different from any of the other stuff we are aware of. So why not make a Deep Spawn focused around magic?

Psilophilia embodies the concept of MAGIC in the form of THOUGHT and ENERGY.
I tried to consider what the core parts of magic might be, and then tweaked it to fit the name better. Hopefully this would give us a more magically inclined Deep Spawn, who could help Arkus with his research in a way Bobobo couldn't.
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No. 301609 ID: 9ea6ca

>>301605
Not really. The ability to shape and join materials can construct a product of any size. A cathedral will just take a lot longer than a dinner table. If you gave him stone blocks to work with, the tend result will be a stone building. Not a building made a blocks, one solid piece.

Also, isn't Acronum already a rune-spawn? His abilities revolve around the manipulations of symbols, and runes certainly count.
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No. 301611 ID: 259738

>>301609
Building runeworked cities is different from printing temporary runes on things. A lot different. You might even say they are two completely unrelated things. Most of the people who have complained about not wanting a construction spawn say that it takes jobs away from our populace, but runecraft is pretty uncommon, so it makes what he does unique. Most of the reason I want someone like this is so we can get a big magical wall built around our section of the Cursed Lands, to keep monsters and anyone brave enough to snoop there out. And then he could build magical cities for the Morgren etc. to live in. Hell, we could probably turn our section of the Cursed Lands into one huge three dimensional bit of runework. Not sure what we would need that kind of power for, but I'm sure someone could come up with something.
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No. 301616 ID: 9ea6ca

(Blarg, multiposts. Sorry Bob!)

>>301596
>>301611
Ah I understand what you mean now, and I agree. How about making both then? Having a dual craft/construction spawn would be handy. But I just remembered that the more restricted something is the more powerful it gets. So it makes sense to form two separate spawns.

So to recap we have 5 cores left.
1. Reserved for Arkus (hopefully we can convince him)
2. Reserved for Velada to boost her critical anti-chronal abilities.
3. Idoneus embodies the concept of Craftsmanship in the form of Shaping and Assembly (he and Del Roga will likely be best bros)
4. Geopum embodies the concept of Construction form of Matter and Runecraft (Have him team up with Acronum, Bobobo and Idoneus. Rune cities! Rune cities everywhere!)

That leaves one remaining. You guys wanted a combat spawn so I thought up something our current roster doesn't cover. And I'm making it a "she" cause Velada could use some company and hell, why not? :P

Ignitract embodies the concept of Heat Flow in the form of Ice and Fire.

Basically, a pyromancer with the ability to control and direct the transfer of heat. Half of her body is made of ice, and the other half is made of molten metal. The two can exist beside each other without a steam explosion because her level of control is THAT good.

Cold is nothing more than the absence of heat. So she can draw heat out of something to cool it down, and vice versa. Ignitract stores heat inside of her body like a battery, if she expends it all her body becomes fully made of ice. Absorbing heat does the opposite.

Abilities:
1a. Shield a person or area from extreme temperatures. Or violently shift the temperature of an object or area.
1b. Focused "beam" or "blast" attacks of either element.
2. Can summon spawn in the form of "heat golems". Think of them as invisible inferno golems but even hotter. The only way you can see it is from the heat shimmer in the air and the ground under its feet spontaneously combusting as it walks. Their touch will either ignite or vapourize depending on the material. (or person!)
3. Can alternatly summon "coldfire golems". Coldfire is a blue flame that spreads like regular fire. Only instead of burning and consuming matter as fuel, it freezes matter and consumes HEAT as fuel. Someone burned to death by coldfire turns into a frozen statue instead of a pile of ashes.
4. Ignitract or her spawn can't be physically attacked in melee without considerable magic protection.

As far as I can tell, Ignitract is wonderfully dual-use while still being restricted to a narrow concept.
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No. 301621 ID: 18ee4d

>>301616
Absolutely nothing stops us from getting new cores.

I've voiced this suggestion numerous times and I will again.

We just need to have Burduko and Rutgur sweep the oceans and the continent for bantits and pirates or have them go to Dionepa, travel to opposite side of that continent and abduct few villages.

100 people = 1 core
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No. 301630 ID: 059fc4

>>301621
thats only if were dealing with state deepspawn admin, I dont think we have asked the mountain one about it but we should we can probably get a better price
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No. 301640 ID: b45b89

Upvote on both Construction and Maid Deepspawn.
We have a time skip coming up and given the amount of time we’re given to prep Mordre and the State, it might be a substantial one. Our remaining deepspawn cores have a finite lifespan. Bob has shown to be willing to punish inattention to detail and I could see us losing out on them if we’re not careful. We can always pay an administrator for more in the future. Gi

While the maid idea might be somewhat silly, the utility of it is undeniable. At least regarding smoking out any conspiracies against us. In the very first post of this thread, it was stated that some counselors are plotting against us. That we haven’t taken any actions to address this probably accounts for why we know nothing of it. Rat’s idea is at least a step in the right direction, I think.

I’m also for the using opening up the use of our teleport boxes so that we make income off other people’s merchants.
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No. 301642 ID: 18ee4d

I'm downvotin maid deepspawn.

Like one anon said, better let the whole issue lie still. No one is asking us anything about it, so we have no reason to bring it up.

We can still claim they are in our super secret, secluded mage tower or whatever.

Construction spawn is not a bad idea though. Even if we don't have anything new to build, we can always set it to renovate stuff, to make structures better and introduce new technologies (I mean, like plumbing and shit)

And I'm sure he could make some mega-structures too.
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No. 301647 ID: 059fc4

>>301642
sewers bro, you never know how much you love them until you go somewhere without them.
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No. 301649 ID: 30e8ff

>>301616
VOTING FOR THIS
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No. 301650 ID: bc3bd1

>>301630
seconded
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No. 301651 ID: b45b89

A compromise. Asgardia embodies the concept of Assasination. Her form revolves around Shape Changing and Subterfuse.

A deepspawn that with spawn that can shape change and infiltrate is something we need given on the greater stage we now play on. Destabalizing and spying on other nation's are capabilities we are going to be necessary. And I'm sure she could do the whole maid thing should it become necessary in the future.
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No. 301704 ID: d429c4

There is a long term plan to build a Blue Diamond brain for Mordre.

As we've seen that paired implanted Deep Spawn work very well together, I'd quite like to keep a couple of Cores in reserve to implant a Spawn based around Inspiration and one based around Quantum Computation in its two hemispheres.
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No. 301737 ID: f0e3ae

What exactly are you hoping to achieve with another spawn egg in Velada?

Velada currently:
-Completely nullifies time shenanigans in current location (an area around herself of diameter X).
-Vulnerable in battle.

Add another spawn egg and what changes? all that you change is that the area covered is bigger; probably 2.5x based on effect of adding second spawn core to teleporting spawn... but how does that in any way shape or form improve her function?
Its not like she will suddenly be able to make anti chronomancy runes, or that there are currently uber powerful chronomancers that can bypass her defenses which the second egg will prevent. All we will be doing is extending range a bit.
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No. 301739 ID: e41ad5

>>301737
Actually, we've never seen her in combat before. For all we know, we might be able to regulate time more effectively, and we might open up new things she can halt. Maybe she will be able to move enemy spells about or shape them like dough.

We have no idea what will happen when we add the core, only that it will be overwhelmingly positive.
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No. 301750 ID: d4f98d

Except you have absolutely no idea how much or in what way it will ACTUALLY affect Velada.

Nor do we know to what extent she can nullify time shenanigans. Do you know for fact she'll be able to overpower the High King, should it be necessary?

Burduko didn't just gain enhanced teleportation, he gained massive mastery of Aeromancy and Severance, in addition to other generalized boosts to performance.

For someone as specialized as Velada, and who performs such an important function against a largely uncounterable form of magic, such a boost would be very welcome, in my opinion.
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No. 301752 ID: 0d77be

Before we use up all our original deep spawn cores, I want to add an unusual idea to the mix.

JODRON embodies the concept of THE CHAOS SPAWN, its form is that of ITSELF.

Deep Spawn Cores grow more chaotic over time, Eldghodd said, and I seem to recall someone saying they evaporate at some point or something. By making its mandate that of ITSELF, that gives it no form to take; it may not even have enough power to stop being a floating Deep Spawn Core. Strictly speaking, the only thing a form of ITSELF would guarantee is that it wouldn't wink out of existence. Chaos, however, seems to be all over the ideas of changing things and creating things from next to nothing. Jodron would have no form except for what it currently has and what it strives to be. It would remain stable until such a time as it becomes chaotic enough to be able to create a form for itself. It would still exist solely to serve Mordre, since that is the basis for the very existence of his Deep Spawn, but Jodron would eventually need to figure out on its own what kind of form to use to do so. Will it just grow into a slime-creature? Some kind of shapeshifter, perhaps? Or maybe it will remain exactly as-is for months until one day when, out of nowhere, it explodes to reveal a fully-formed photo-negative version of Bang.

Quite simply, I want to see what happens as a Deep Spawn grows progressively more Chaotic over time, on its own, but with the support of its Administrator to allow it to do so. It's an experiment, and an exceedingly weird one at that. But I can't imagine it's one many Administrators, if any, have conducted in the past.

Thing is, it really needs to be done with one of our first Deep Spawn Cores. They've already had several months to season with Chaos, so using a brand new Core would slow down the development by quite a bit. It's not utterly imperative... but I'd love to see what happens sooner rather than later.
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No. 301759 ID: 53859d

>>301737

What would be /Nice/ for an upgrade would be if Velada gains the capacity to leave some of her anti-time hax along with her own Spawn. This would mean that we aren't forced to put all of our eggs in one basket so to speak, which would be just begging for a Previously Unheard of Badass (Or Jak Stryfe again) to waltz in and steal everything with more mundane hax.
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No. 301777 ID: 6a1753

>>301616
Vote on this multi-post, old man love, Rune cities and all.
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No. 301817 ID: a9629e

>>301616
Upvoting all of this. Downvoting maid deepspawn.

>>301737
I don't recall Velada being that vulnerable in battle. If I remember correctly, she's a hive of monstrous clockwork insects. Also, a deepspawn and immortal by default. Not really my definition of vulnerable. If we're going to speculate on what an upgrade would do, I'd expect the spawn to upgrade in some way, and for them to have some of her anti-chronomancy ability.
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No. 301819 ID: 5b95eb

>>301378
He can become hard light. You know, think justice league.
It's magic, don't question it.

And let's leave him protecting Lubu so he doesn't get murdered while he's recovering his power instead of getting murdered later by the armies.

I personally would like another teleportation spawn, so we can explore/fight with Burduko for extended periods of time without hamstringing the economy, but that's just me. Obviously, any deep spawn creation should wait until after the meeting.
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No. 301884 ID: 489566

>>301819

Wasn't Lubu's goal to have some fights while weakened? We should let him know that we're assigning a guard at least.
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No. 301891 ID: 252e1b

The point of assigning a Deep Spawn to the job is that he has discretion. If Lubu gets into an open fight that he can handle, that's awesome and probably not too big a concern. If an enemy tries to ambush Lubu though, it's Ekron's job to swoop in and buy Lubu enough time to get his act together. Either way, Ekron is on-site and paying attention.
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No. 301988 ID: f0e3ae

>>301891
We should leave instructions to teleport lubu to our holdings and us to the assassin if needed. Since all phohn communcation, mordre's and spawn thought speed, and teleporting are all near instantaneous.
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No. 302020 ID: 252e1b

Lubu is a head of state, what you are talking about is abducting him instead of protecting him.
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No. 302042 ID: a6ba65

>>301988
He might be reduced to a Heroic at the moment, but he is still able to steal any technique and come up with new ones on the fly.

He's fine, short of a Dragon or Living Legend making it past Ash Dragon to get at him, and even then it wouldn't surprise me if Lubu could get away.
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No. 302084 ID: f0e3ae

>>302020
I specifically said if an assassin attacks which he can't handle.
Obviously we will inform lubu of that plan as well.

In retrospect, he might not want to retreat, and it will look bad if he does. So just inform mordre if an assassin appears via phohn and have him teleport to join the fight.
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No. 302370 ID: a76809

>>301331
[Incorrect. Mordre has a wholly new soul, and would not be harmed removing Mordecai-if he had a means to do so, since he is 'under' the Soul Eden.]

>>301378
[Just because something has slowed down from moving at constant does not mean it is slow by human standards. Ekron can punch when hard light, but can create photon rays with sufficient energy to burn or melt even when he is not hard light. Lastly Ekron has been invisible via not emitting Photons the whole time he's been guarding Lubu-to the extent that no one's figured out he's getting help fending off assassination attempts.]

>>301390
[Because Luo practiced one of the Winding styles of the Lined One-he is either a direct student, or a student of a student, that is how Keddic knew him as such. And The Lined One is not interested in talking about students, whereas Oz has not yet learned anything about Luo, in truth not having spent much time on it, what with the increased Premen presence at his school along with the Deep Spawn once more kicking his training into overdrive.]

>>301391
[You are missing some things divulged in the quest that are relevant to how this happened. If you can't find them, either ask on IRC or ask in the discussion thread.]

>>301412
>>301415
>>301422
>>301423
>>301427
I hit upon an idea. I turn in my faux-body to face the Soul Eden, as my consciousness, partly spanning both forms thanks to my experience manipulating Inferno Golems, guides one of the remaining five Deep Spawn cores to its fingertips-
As Burduko appears for the briefest instant, Velada's heart in hand, as I merge the core into the existing Deep Spawn in a single millisecond, before they both dissapear. Velada reports expanded grasp of temporal mechanics, and I know my assigned project of anti-chronomancy defensive runes will benefit from this action-and performing it as so further solidifies the image I am a human mage-how could they guess a gestalt golem physical existence for a self-crafted, possession based soul?

[-1 DEEP SPAWN CORE-----TOTAL DEEP SPAWN CORES REMAINING: 04]

>>301433
As eyes turn and goggle at my only partly glimpsed magic, Keddic still unperturbed, I smile oh so faintly as I turn back to the group.

"I believe the Dionepan Curatiomancy workings could make those Blood Lions of yours more potent beasts-something along the lines of Hieryou's wolf."
>[Keddic]"Hmm.... now that I would not mind-it has become increasingly hard to secure suitable specimens, and if we try to push past seventy head now, we'll have subpar end results."
"That, I believe, can be counteracted as well, between myself and Bang-though as you know-"
>[Keddic]"Right, his family time. Well, as you find time for it-Burduko has found his way to our estate, so we can work here, there-send me the details at your convenience."
"Dregas, comment on how relations currently fair with the Golden League and Mahnlea each."
>[Dregas]"Well.... The Golden League is actually settling down in their views towards us, despite our earlier contention over what was originally Domintan land. Turns out Jak is useful here-"
>[Carkiano]"WHAT-"
"Dregas, continue."
>[Dregas]"Because he assails them as much as us, the Golden League is becoming far more amenable to trade-and with the trade and a common enemy, hostilities are dying down-it seems likely we don't have to worry about that front much-comparative to the Mahnleas. Their trade is being hardest hit by us, since they specialized in long-distance shipping. Our more magically advanced trade methods have started to drive their overall economy into the gutter-if we don't integrate them into our trade system so they can get the jobs more economically viable for them, I can take a considerable load off Burduko, by making some shipping be by ship, some by box. So.... I actually recommend we borrow money from the Golden League to buy out the Mahnlea shipping companies now, so we can-"

Whatever else Dregas was going to say is drowned out by those of the Azelhaedran government that predated my regime change begin expressing doubts, seeing our rise out of debt as being threatened-I silence them with a hard glare-and give Dregas free leave to pursue this venture-the loan could be manipulated, true, but the exchange could further improve relations if handled correctly-the additional income of the more prolific trade could recoup the losses, and allow us more margin to operate around the Golden League if we wish to avoid ruffling feathers-or to shut them out and economically starve them if another choice is made.

"I feel a different topic must be raised-it is my determination that an expert-no, a masterful Chronomancer was responsible for the theft of Scars of Yesterday, symbol of brotherhood between our State and the Gialgorran Islands. The number to fit such skill requirements are few indeed-and I cannot help but note High King Fissykus, most masterful of Chronomancers, is known to have grievances against my comrade Keddic, and is known to covet the old Mosmordren constructs."

From there, it takes all of ten minutes to get each to swear this consideration to secrecy, as all are asked to think on who else could be targeted, amongst Soul Grave owners, now that Fissykus is being more direct-a choice of dismissal I hope reinforces my 'well-meaning' persona.

>>301445
With the meeting proper done, I spend the next twenty minutes with Carkiano, Dregas, Del Rogo, Arkus, Kyorto, Jezebel, Keddic and Eisenhardt hammering out a concept for specialized Harksburton Golem Armors, something to let the rest of his family have something to compare against the Obdurate Ox he wears. Then, once Carkiano, Del Rogo, Jezebel and Eisenhardt depart, I spend the next hour hammering out a schedule for investing Belief in each of the Masharksben, as a soul-infusion devoid of the danger of soul magic, all while infusing Keddic with just such and working with Arkus and Kyorto to institute base cellular runes on key samples of his blood, flesh, organs and bones-something for him to build from with his body control.

>>301466
[Thats the crappy thing-from Mordre's temporal perspective, he has no way to know.]

It is now I muse about Arcturo's theft-and come to the conclusion that for him to have openly taken this golem, he must have SPECIFICALLY needed it, Scars of Yesterday in particular of the Soul Graves. After all, Chronomancer or no there is no end to time-to have so thoroughly trekked it to know where each golem lays would be a challenge, even for him , I suspect. So once he learned of Scars being found, of it being gifted to me by Gialgorra-he took steps to claim it.

>>301480
[Trade with LoD already in place, Dregas be economic bro.]

>>301513
[Dregas has already opened it to other merchants and charges a shipping tax-how do you think he financed massive construction AND reduced debt so fast? Even including discounts for traders that are citizens of the State and thus beholden to Mordre, to encourage immigration of high quality crafters. So LoD, Gialgorran Islands both are semi-dependant on Azelhaedran stability, growing moreso every day.]

>>301596
>>301597
>>301603
I decide on another Deep Spawn, to further provide the state with vital components of function that are unquestionably loyal to me-

>Idoneus embodies the concept of Construction in the forms of Shaping and Assembly.

Idoneous.

A crafter, a creator, a building of things. Matter flows and melds, is shaped in its grasp-parts come together, things are asseumbled-and this concept manifests in Idoneous' birth. The sphere unfolds, lines apearing as it breaks into thousands of paper-thin, translucent strips of paper, layering and sealing together-untill it forms a paper sculpture, a hollow humanoid vaguely inclined towards arachnids-even beyond having eight long, delicately fingered hands.
From there.... I find a buzzing, a tingling sensation that brushes against my soul to have grown oh so slightly greater these last few weeks-and find it timed perfectly with my command of the state-so I do what seems logical-I plan a vacation.

And by plan, I mean I grab Kyorto, swing by the Arcanoworks to pick up Moss (now twenty five feet at the should), both of my bodies, and have Burduko teleport me as far towards the Morgren lands as he can.

And five minutes later I am in the air, Moss thundering along the ground after me, headed towards the seaside, craggy cliffs and the sweltering jungle in which the Morgren tribes now reside-looking to claim another relic of the Empire, at long last.

>[Kyorto]"...How much do you know of Morgrens, Mordre?"






How much do I know about Morgrens?
What questions about Morgrens do I have for the one-time Mosmordren?
How do I plan to make my entrace, given my goal to take command of the Morgren tribes?
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No. 302381 ID: e38dc6

>>302370
Life Golems crafted by the Mosmordren Empire as shock troops, they were bred and molded to be violent and powerful, vicious fighters. Made from a base Premen augmented with Gorilla, Tiger and Rhinoceros, they are eight to ten feet tall, have some seven hundred to twelve hundred pounds of slabs of ropey muscle, patches of thick, pelt-like hair on their shoulders, forearms and pelvis, innately imbued blood, and rough, pebbly skin, their hide tougher than good leather armor. Their jaws are massive and ludicrously overdeveloped, with viscous fangs and a horn protruding from their forehead, their necks and spines heavily reinforced. They have formed a strange, perpetually warring set of Clans since the fall of the Empire, and now fight both each other and everyone they find, pillaging and raiding as they go, only submitting to those they deem stronger.
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No. 302384 ID: c0adcc

>>302381
Also, they are not the brightest of the bunch, a thing that I hope we will be able to fix with our curatiomancy or with the help of our allies and States alchemical knowledge
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No. 302395 ID: a9629e

>>302384
No way, we shouldn't do that. Partly because we don't know how they've been altered to obey the Empire, but mainly because they wouldn't be big dumb murderous puppies after that.

And I guess the not letting people know about them thing too.
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No. 302400 ID: a6ba65

I don't think Mordre knows jack shit about Morgren. 'Life golems built by the Mosmordren Empire' might be it.

Ask Kyorto a little about the caste system of Mosmordre. Were life golems like the Morgren on the bottom of the hierarchy? They follow the strongest; was there one overall strongest Morgren, or (more likely, given their current activities) a bunch of chiefs?

And are life golems made, or born? It sounded like, for Aurockoth at least, they took base human stock and then added on to it. Are they created fully-formed, or do they continue to grow?

For the entrance... I suppose slam down like the fist of god right in the center of whatever town square or fighting ring or wherever Morgren gather. Make it flashy, make it impressive. They'll probably assume Kyorto is your owner; you should probably disabuse them of this notion. You are contemporaries, not master and servant.

So, what can Assembly Spawn help out with? The Golem assembly is being reworked, so maybe the Harksburton armors, Skyfall cannons or other weaponry (say, how big could we forge Skyfall cannons? Could we make giant fixed-placement versions to defend our cities?), or if there are still war-torn sections of the State it could get to work rebuilding.
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No. 302416 ID: f0e3ae

>>302384
>>302395

They don't need to be boosted to super genius level, but stupidity can be very costly. Then again, it will probably be too time consuming to go around boosting their intelligence one by one.

If they are culture-less savages little more then animals then lets let the premen mold them after themselves. If they have something in place, decide exactly what to do with them based on what we find out.
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No. 302432 ID: 5b95eb

"I know I'm going to kill all of them."

wait no this is stupid don't say that
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No. 302436 ID: e41ad5

"I know that by the end of the day, I will likely kill at least one, if not ten. THat is usually how meeting new races and peoples ends up."

Pause.

"With the exception of Gailgorra's holdings... No wait, wait, I did kill someone there my first day. Damn."
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No. 302453 ID: f0e3ae

How about you just don't mention killing right now.
All this joking about killing is simply murder on maintaining your kindly old mage persona. There is a difference between doing something and crassly admitting to having done it.
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No. 302460 ID: 259738

Why would we need to kill any of them? They can't disobey Kyorto. She is probably the only Mosmordren mage left, unless you count Mordecai.
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No. 302463 ID: d429c4

>>302370
>What questions about Morgrens do I have for the one-time Mosmordren?
Do they collect spoils from their raids, and if so, how do they feel about surrendering it to their superiors? If I was engineering them, I'd make sure that they were enthusiastic looters but unconcerned with keeping the stuff afterwards, taking joy in acquisition rather than possession.
>How do I plan to make my entrace, given my goal to take command of the Morgren tribes?

Ask Bobobbo for a run down of the likely locations for where the Mogren Overchief lives, and then "drop in" there. Speak Mordesmordan to them. If there are any forms of speech that indicate that the speaker is high caste, use them.

As you fly, devote some part of your intellect to what you have just accomplished, specifically, the cellular runes. You used your Curiatomancy to form nanoscale runic structures. Consider how you made your Blootz steel, by manipulating the microscale structure of your steel "flesh", precipitating out bands of carbides. Since then, thanks to your Belief Engine, the precision of your Magnetomancy has only grown, what can you accomplish now? Try forming nanoscale runes onto the surface of the carbide layers.

The ultimate goal for this is to fill your body with countless magic generating runes, such as Bang possesses, to power Omni-source of the Cosmos. In a similar vein, you should look into the cost of buying very large numbers of small sapphires. We know from Dulu that sapphires enhance the absorption of energy, so they would make s fine base material to form runes that enhance your magic eating on your surface.

You should investigate doing something similar with the smaller rubies produced by the Premen's mines, carving each tiny stone into a rune and then distributing them throughout your body, perhaps as anchors for rune networks inscribed onto the carbide layers, tying them together into a greater whole.
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No. 302484 ID: cd63e9

>>302436
this

also check if Nidhogg is busy. we are probly going to need a show of strength, and the only thing more impressive than a massive skull masked siege golem awash in eldritch fire is a massive skull masked siege golem awash in eldritch fire riding an even more massive dragon.
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No. 302517 ID: 7cb42a

http://quest.lv/kusaba/quest/res/286556.html#302436
Voting for this

http://quest.lv/kusaba/quest/res/286556.html#i302416
Voting for this too.

Basically, just ask Kyorto for everything she knows about them and while Mordre is listening to her,though since her information is not up to date, we should use the Rubies Eyes as scouting drones in order to find more information and to find the best opportunity for Mordre to make his DYNAMIC ENTRY!!
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No. 302624 ID: 059fc4

I have been thinking, if we do anything to organise or relocate large groups of morgren people will notice the lack of raids. It also seems to me that we cant have been the first to think of grabbing a army of morgren, so some one must be keeping watch for anyone with the same idea as us.
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No. 302785 ID: 5c25ea

>How much do I know about Morgrens?
We know in general what they are and how they look. Social side, organization and structure, are unknown to us. How they are made, how resistant against magic and wounds they are, skills and techniques, their environmental preferences and habits are all unknown.
Guessing from the description Morgren(Premen + Gorilla, Tiger and Rhinoceros) should be somewhere in between Ragegluts(Humans + Rage and Blood) and War Hounds(dogs/bears). How close to Ragegluts depends on how strong the animal augmentations alter the Premen base.

>What questions about Morgrens do I have for the one-time Mosmordren?
1. How did the Empire organize and manage them, both in battle and out? The Empire had to have a way that allows Non-Morgren to point Morgren in the right direction. Is there a taking command/leadership procedure and does Kyorto know it? Just killing the current boss to taking over may establish Mordre as subject to Morgren rules, which may give us problems later on. I'd prefer we establish ourselves as of the Mosmordren Empire before we start killing.

2. Does Kyorto know enough about Ragegluts and War Hounds to give us an evaluation of Morgren in comparison to them? They are equivalent in function and role between LoD and Mosmordren if not in the actual implementation.

3. Does Kyorto know how Morgren are created? Could she make new ones or modify existing ones in batches? How prevalent was this kind of knowledge in the Empire.

4. Do they have weak points, an Achilles heel? How vulnerable are they against various types of magic?

5. Does she find the current situation with feuding Clans unusual in any way or is it the anticipated behavior for Morgren? To keep my control of the Morgren on the quiet one of my first ideas is to make a cyclic group tournament and make the winning groups part of my army, maybe test modifications with the losers during the next cycle. IF I can come up with this idea, others could, too.

>How do I plan to make my entrance, given my goal to take command of the Morgren tribes?
Since we have currently only sketchy information on the situation in the Morgren lands, lets be wary and stay with a method that worked for us. First find one Clan to take over. That is relatively easy to keep quiet and if it goes horribly wrong we can start over with another Clan. It helps with potential wardens against outsiders taking over and if someone else already took them over. Perhaps we should question Bobobo about past and current attempts to take Morgren into service.
If there is a Mosmordren procedure known to Kyorto, I will follow it. Otherwise a show of overwhelming strength is in order. I will limit killing as I am able because I don't know if I can make more and decimating my troops when not necessary will only weaken me.

On the intelligence issue, I don't think they will be too dumb or they won't work too well as shock troops. I wouldn't expect strategical brilliance, but they should be tactically competent.

We should also start thinking about a task for them to keep them busy and motivated, in case they want immediate action after we take them over. The group tournament or fighting the Curse Tainted creatures in the Cursed Lands could work if we don't have an enemy ready to serve as target.
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No. 303234 ID: a76809

>>302381
"I know them as Life Golems, a self-perpetuating warrior race, molded by the Mosmordren Empire. I know them made large, powerful, hardy."
>>302384
"I know them defined as slow, too impulsive to be truly disciplined-a particular point I believe I can 'help' them with."
>[Kyorto]"Was your trip to Dionepa truly so fruitful? You've only mentioned it obliquely before."
"You are familiar, by now, with how skilled Bang is at Curatiomancy."
>[Kyorto]"The lunatic can practically SPEAK spell equations-he's been performing magic, endles variations of the same school, for more time, I suspect, than all but the most elder of healers-his sheer saturation of experience letting him hone a talent to perfection. ...You mean them comparable to him?"
"Yes. Quite frankly, because they've accumulated generations, potentially millennia of compounded experience, they likely exceed him rather than match him."
The aged, broad face I wear stretches wide into a smile I could never understand why others called 'evil'.
"Besides-if you took the time to visit the Ark Ascendent, I think you would grasp the enormity of what I claimed from that distant land."
>[Kyorto]"I admit to still having issue there is habitable land on some far side of the Wall-our best researchers had sent observation devices out hundreds of leagues without finding a break-well, what is, is. So... you'd remove their mental shackles?"
"Of course not-I may modify-no, optimize those shackles, but I simply wish to make them more mentally able to serve."
>[Kyorto]"...Then, back to my original question, I gather you have never actually met Morgren before, and only base your knowledge from anecdotal evidence, and maybe some books written from the long side of the war."
"Your reasoning strikes me as sound."
>[Kyorto]"Then trust me, Mordre, when I say you do not grasp how terrible a thing you propose."
>>302400
"I find my knowledge of certain aspect of the empire lacking-the caste system, where did sapient Life Golems rank?"
>[Kyorto]"A question lacking a clear answer. Morgren were, in fact, treated as willing slaves, lower than the meanest citizen. However, there were individual Life Golems that had far higher esteem to their name-so it was a mixed bag, based on competence, and utility to the empire."

>>302463
"Are Morgren compelled to raid, abstain from it, or..."
>[Kyorto]"They are indeed compelled to hoard-and just as compelled to be more engrossed with the act of acquisition, rather than retention. So yes, we should indeed be able to gain a considerable amount of funding from the Morgren, given a decade of periodic raids on every reachable settlement."
"Interesting-one moment."

We have finally, in out multi-mile high flight, come over a massive horde of tents and huts thrown up by the thousands-all far larger than a human would need. That's when I finally, for the first time-

See the Morgren people.

I am reminded of Premens-a small surprise-but less of them as a people... and more their fresh, untested warriors. Everywhere I look, the jostling, the posturing, the impromptu fights of dominance. I see bodies, some larger than my Soul Eden (though few indeed among their number), and even the meanest adult as large as Lorgk of the Drazken. In the Morgren, I see power, raw and primal, I see energy, a will to act that I could mold to many a purpose. At the same time, I see their bane-lack of focus, restraint, consideration-not a one seems inclined to think more than a few moments ahead-

My estimations are erased and I begin anew after seeing a single Morgren-one I nearly mistake as a yeti with his age-whitened pelt-simply stands.

And the chaos, building since I began watching, subsides, the camps modicum of productivity returning.

Found my leader, then.

I have Phohn communicate an image of where I'll land to Moss as I hurtle earthward, clutching my human body and Kyorto within the Soul Eden's grasp. Streaking through the air on curtains of fire blazing merrily away, I draw every eye in the camp-

Impact with the ground, given the weight and speed involved, would have been devastating-had I not used Kinetomancy and Geomancy together to craft an instant shock absorbe out of the earth itself, a mulchy wave spreading out as my golem straightens, faux body and Kyorto standing before it.

Kyorto speaks to the aged one, the one to spot our impending entrance first, the one reacting the least to our arrival.

>[Kyorto]"||BOW||"

The aged Morgren eyes here, sniffing the air-

>[Morgren chieftain]"...No."
..Refusing the order of a citizen? Well now.....






What is my next move, let Kyorto keep trying to handle this, or step in myself?
If I step in, what exactly am I going to do, given our goal to acquire the Morgren tribes as additional troops?
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No. 303238 ID: e41ad5

A show of power.
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No. 303241 ID: f0e3ae

"How is it that you are able to disobey a citizen?"
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No. 303252 ID: b5ebec

Let her handle it for now, but step in if things start getting ugly. Crack the Sable Executioner like a whip if need be to get their attention, but do the talking from your mini-me should words be needed.
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No. 303259 ID: 5b95eb

"Ok, well, that's science, Hello there how are you? Up for joining me?"

Except not so silly.
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No. 303262 ID: ae0719

>>303241
"You would deny not just a citizen, but a mage of Mosmordre-that-was? Interesting..." Is the ability to command tied into scent, perhaps, and Kyorto's new body doesn't smell like a Mosmordre citizen but rather a bunch of other countries' mages?

Or have the Morgren... evolved since the days of old Mosmordre? They might be worthy of more respect than mere foot soldiers in our war efforts... though how much more remains to be seen.

Talk up Kyorto. She is a Mosmordren mage that defeated death. And you, well... you're a son of Mosmordre, in a roundabout way, but kind of hard to prove that.

We have things we can offer them, but I don't think that's how we should play this. Talk about expanding the scope of their aimless raids. Not merely raiding, but a proper War again, in time. Of re-taking Mosmordren lands.

About that; I think we should find out from Dorgrum and Eldghodd what it would cost to set up a meeting with the Cursed Lands administrator like we did with Weismahn, to see if we can find out more about why the weirdness still permeates the land and things growing on it despite the leylines re-aligning.

And then we're probably going to have to prove why we deserve to be heard. Which will be interesting; we've never fought with Kyorto or Mini-Mordre before.
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No. 303269 ID: cd63e9

just how powerful are we in our mini body? having its first fight be against this guy strikes me as a bad idea.
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No. 303276 ID: d4f98d

RIght, that failed.

Don't make a big show of their lack of obedience towards Kyorto. Any number of things could have led to that, rapid adaptation, obtaining the services of a capable individual, or hell, maybe they identify Mosmordren's by SCENT, of which Kyorto no longer has the scent of such, etc. It's not worth focusing on.

Instead, laugh. Because I find that hilarious. I don't much like slave-warriors anyway, so lets go about this the traditional way: SILVER TONGUES and RAW MIGHT.

We should treat them more as Premen than any other faction, as they are both sociologically more similar and genetic cousins.

"Well then, how about introductions, instead?

I am Mordre, and this fuming Madam is Kyorto."

Lets get an actual idea of what these guys are like before being all GRAARGH SERVE ME PUNY MORTALS!
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No. 303302 ID: f0e3ae

>>303269
why did we even BRING the mini body? and mordre souls should be in the main body during this...
Actually, can we go ahead and store the mini body in the soul eden for the duration of this interaction?
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No. 303355 ID: a9629e

Hmm, what if what we've been assuming to just be a shout-out to Ant Quest is a lot more important? The name Scars of Yesterday brings to mind chronomancy, so it's likely that's what is so special about it. But chronomancy is bullshit, so I'd expect Gialgorra to have had a tougher time. Maybe those features require it's operator to either be present in order to authorize using them, or to actually perform chronomancy himself.

So here's a theory. Scars of Yesterday can absorb the backlash that comes from using chronomancy, and then inflict it on it's enemies. This would put it at the top of the acquire list or Arcturo I'd imagine, because with it he'd able to use his chronomancy a bit more freely. And if this is true, it's likely he's already started. Perhaps this is why he pretty much immediately started preparing to move against Keddic and his family. Because he found out something via chronomancy that he didn't like.

>>303276
Gonna go ahead and second this.
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No. 303425 ID: cd63e9

if we can't let on that we are a golem to these guys we should get more Intel before we attempt to strong arm them, and if it looks like it will take to much time we should table it. we have way to much on our plate as is.
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No. 303456 ID: 0d095c

Hmmm. What would Darkseid say?

Oh right. Amaranthine Annihilator, GO! Vaporize the insolent bastard!
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No. 303638 ID: 36b8bc

I expect Kyorto to be smart enough to play along.
To Kyorto:"Well, do you feel better, now that you have let it out of your system? Can we then please continue with business?"
To the Morgren Chief "Hello. I am Mordre. Forgive Kyorto, but with age and power comes a tendency to being over-dramatic. May I have your name?"
"I've heard about the prowess of Morgren and seek to take some into my service. Is your Clan willing to hire out either whole or individual members?"
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No. 303670 ID: f0e3ae

>>303638
I don't think dissing kyorto infront of the life golems is a good idea
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No. 303675 ID: c173fb

>>303262
>>303276
Seconding these two. And against any 'Shows of force' just yet.

Also we should use Phohn to 'talk' with Kyorto. As for what we should do, Soul Eden Mordre should Mimic what Mage Mordre does. And we should fold our hands and study the Morgren tribe. The White Morgren looks like the leader, but are their any other strong looking Morgren in this motley crew. The White Morgren could just be a face of the actual ruler of this tribe, after all.
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No. 303686 ID: 8b0de1

(In Mosmordren)
"You refuse the direct order from the citizen of The Empire? A High Mage nonetheless? Explain yourself!"

>>303638
No sir, I don't like this.
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No. 303695 ID: 5f0943

>>303276
Seconding this.

>>303638
>>303686
No to both of these.
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No. 303699 ID: e41ad5

AA a location that won't hurt anyone as part of your talk with the cheif. Like it's not even a huge deal.
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No. 303709 ID: f0e3ae

>>303699
NO!
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No. 303717 ID: 5b95eb

>>303276
Emba has the right of it.
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No. 303728 ID: 6a1753

>>303686
no
>>303276
yes
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No. 304166 ID: a0c4e7

>The White Morgren looks like the leader, but are their any other strong looking Morgren in this motley crew. The White Morgren could just be a face of the actual ruler of this tribe, after all.

Unless even that respect strength over anything else bit is wrong, a face for someone else is very unlikely. And if that bit is wrong, we know nothing beyond how they look. He may still be already loyal to someone else, but I think those won't be among the present Mordren.

If it isn't wrong, being aged and in a leadership position means Silverpelt is strong and clever, cunning, wily. He likely is old enough to remember the Fall of Mosmordre. To remember how strength and strength born arrogance didn't protect Mosmordre from guile, from a sneaky attack. And since he kept leadership with age, he very likely learned from it.

Kyorto has shown arrogance. If Mordre follows up with force, I don't think we will get more than lip service and young idiots and troublemakers. Mordre should at least give the appearance of not liking Kyorto's greeting. If he doesn't Mordre loses points with Silverpelt. Also Kyorto willingly submitting to a light scolding/dismissing of her actions, will show Mordre is the higher power between the two of them.

Mordre should avoid showing flaws of the Empire in his actions, like the overconfidence in strength, while using him being of the Empire to claim legitimacy as successor for loyalty. I believe Silverpelt is testing Mordre as much as anything else in this conversation.

>I don't think dissing kyorto infront of the life golems is a good idea
Quite clearly we cannot use programmed obedience. We need to earn it, and if we treat them second-class from the outset, how likely will we get loyalty and obedience.
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No. 304169 ID: e41ad5

>>304166
>>304166
>>304166
>>304166
>>304166
>>304166
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No. 304203 ID: 059fc4

>>303234

Respond with "Why?" in our best super magic soul eatin army slaughterin nation conquering double anthama doom golem voice.
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No. 304248 ID: c173fb

>>304166
If we do do this, or anything that slights Kyorto, use Phohn to briefly describe our reasoning to her. No sense letting her follow our lead and fostering us resentment.
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No. 304588 ID: 63fc62

>>303234

>a single Morgren-one I nearly mistake as a yeti with his age-whitened pelt-simply stands.

NOPE. Not a mistake. This is CLEARLY Trollzaru's handywork as his alias Jogda. I don't know HOW he did it, but he did. Unless the Morgren stole enough money from other villages to buy some copies of "Hooked on Phonomancy" from the nearest Mortal Coil outpost- "...No." shouldn't be in the Morgren vocabulary.

Honestly we should kill it, drink the blood iron, and feed the soul to Goran. That's just my opinion. I really REALLY do not trust this thing.
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No. 304618 ID: d4f98d

>>304588
That is just excessive paranoia. Like really excessive
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No. 304619 ID: d4f98d

>>304166
Also, This is accurate in my view.
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No. 304815 ID: ff2e92

Alternatively if Morgren loyalty depends in the scent of a Mosmordren then try to find the hair or bones of a dead true Mosmordren and use your master Curatiomancy to regrow the body or simply copy the traits that generate a person's scent onto your faux body or Kyorto's life golem body.

Anyway do some diplomacy for now, but WATCH YOUR MOUTH! These guys are too scatterbrained to reliably keep any secrets. Try to discuss matters without giving away anything that would potentially harm your Mage Mordre image. Like Mosmordren resurrections and such.
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No. 305232 ID: 62e7d9

If hostilities prove to be inevitable, I propose we start combat by singing them the song of our people.
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No. 307881 ID: a76809

>>303259
I affect suppressing a chuckle, finally getting used to the idiosyncracies of organic existence, as I do what I can to inject warmth into my words-I'll never understand why people say I sound cold and imperious not matter what tone I seek to emulate, I replicate the phonic frequencies and variations of others defined as speaking warmly, so why-

I digress, a habit that has of late grown more frequently indulged, in no small part thanks to my composite faux-human body.
"Hah, well, that's progress-no, as Gialgorra would say, that's SCIENCE for you. Be honest, were you really expecting it to work that easily? Decade and change for their bindings to grow lax?"
The empty sack of skin veiled as a matronly elder turns to regard me, irritation plain on her artifical features. With my True sight, I see past her visage-and find myself unable to tell if she is looking at my Soul Eden or my Composite golem as she speaks. Interesting.
>[Kyorto]"||It was inscribed into their souls, part of the fabric that makes them Life Golems-they could as soon stop following it as they could stop breathing||."
"||So you say-yet here we are. Perhaps it is my turn?||"
>[Kyorto]"||Yes-they should recognize the consistency of my soul, my new form should not influence their obedience.||"
"||We shall see.||"

I step forward-

And have a minor existential crisis.

My pseudo human vessel steps forward-my mind fully guiding and occupying it-but my mind is ALSO in my Soul Eden, equally perceiving reality from it. So did 'I' step forward-or was the body moving the equivalent of moving a hand? Do I even have a corporeal identity at this point?
I set that rather interesting line of thought on tertiary processing as I turn back to the matter at hand, eyes sweeping over the ancient and weathered Morgren before me.
>>303262
"||You would deny not just a citizen, but a mage of Mosmordre-that-was? Interesting...||"
>[Morgren Chieftain]"||You use it's tools, associate with it's detritus-but I do not feel the taint of the empire on you-what are you?||"
>>303238
>>303456
>>303686
"||You think you have the right to question us?||"
>[Morgren Chieftain]"||I have the right to question anyone surrounded in the heart of our camp, here uninvited.||"
"||So you think a force of arms, MIGHT is what allows you to demand answers?||"
>[Morgren Chieftain]"||We know the strength of Soul Graves-your tool does not frighten us, mage.||"
"||That's rich-you think this a Soul Grave? I suppose that would have been true a few months ago.||"
At this the easy-going atmosphere I've been projecting begins to crumble-the mechanical smile behind my silvered beard fading as my brows draw down like a guillotine.
"||But most importantly, it sounds like you think you could MAKE us answer your questions-am I reading you correctly?||"

I hear hundreds, thousands of scraping sounds and mutters, as weapons are checked, knuckles popped, and feet spread-I can feel the wondrous song of violence pervading the camp-and I relish the thought of wielding such a ready weapon as these Morgren. Resistence or no, I will have them.

>[Morgren Chieftain]"||Are you then refusing to answer my question?||"
"||Quite the contrary-I think I shall answer your question IN FULL||"
My last words are spoken in harmony, my living lips matching the words rattling out of the Soul Eden-I see some of the Morgren jump-as at least one of the more trigger-happy individuals lets fly his spear, A leg-thick, twelve foot long siege weapon carving through the air towards my through.

And so I begin.

Phohn, I have some requests of you....

Inches before the spear reaches me, Burduko plies the connection between his soul and mine to instantaneously appear at my side amidst his private tornado, a hand flashing to grab the spear mid-flight-

As around me, every one of my Corporeal Deep Spawn flits into being, all stored and brought within Rutgur, quickly spreading in a circle about me, spawn by the hundreds being produced to serve as a buffer, Nidhogg circling overhead. The din from the Morgren at the sudden appearance of a demonic army in the heart of their camp is silenced with a gesture by their chieftain.
>[Silverpelt]"||Impressive as the service of Deep Spawn is, their kind are known to us-the cost would be heavy, but all could still be felled. This clan numbers in the tens of thousands-and spawn bother us far less than they do frail humans like you.||"
"||You think me human, how quaint. Beyond that, you misconcieve my existence that grievously? It will have to be corrected.||"
Phohn, ask Burduko to initiate the next step please-

As the sun vanishes behind the sudden bulk of the Ark Ascendant, floating a scant hundred feet above the ground, the mile-wide monstrosity like the physical embodiment of my might-and while his followers gawk at the sudden fleshy presence, its surface already shifting and writhing-

I reach up and forcibly rip out my Small Tomb braincase and spinal column, head coming free in my hands as I continue speaking as if nothing happened, Soul Eden marching up behind me.
"||To mistake me as a human is nearly an insult. You've slipped your Mosmordren leash? Fine.||"

My soul, every Soul Nexus in the Soul Eden and every iota of excess belief energy all swirl around the Blood magic of my Soul Eden as I script one single, massive spell, Restricting it to apply only to the ground shadowed by the Ark Ascendant, boosting the power even higher-

"||PROSTRATE YOURSELVES BEFORE ME, MONGRELS||"

Save for my own forces and the ground we stand on, sheltered from the spells terrible effects-

The entire plateau on which we converse sinks ten feet, rumbling as tents are flattened, fires snuffed by sheer weight, and Morgren flattened by one massive Gravimancy working. While the spell did not encompass the entire tribe, I snared several thousand-

And save Silverpelt, barely staying on a single knee, is the lone Morgren not forced prone to the ground.

I idly march over to him as I replace my head, rebinding the Stone Golem layers to the Small Tomb core, resealing my skin as I pretend to idly ruminate.
"||I wonder just how many have made the mistake to assume me human.... Well, not that I complain.||"

I stare into Silverpelt's eyes, watching his muscles heave and twitch as he continues to fight the astounding pressures I ply upon the area.
"||You will not follow me due to the Empire's bindings, having long since slipped free of them-fine, I accept that. So choose to follow my strength instead. I can see it in your eyes-you grasp that you miscalculated, that we could indeed snuff out this tribe you hold so dear. Join yourself to my strength, and any threat that comes against you would face my wrath, just as you would, should you persist in this foolishness.||"
>[Silverpelt]"||So... serve you... or die... at your hands?||"
"||You wound me, to accuse me of such heavy handed diplomacy-I simply wish you aware I came to these lands for a reason-I will unify the Morgren tribes into a single, implacable army-if you are not willing to spearhead this for me, I shall leave you be-but whichever tribe I DO pick will not be so kind.||"
I give silverpelt a few seconds for this to sink in.
"||So your real choice is this-give up some of you independence, and be guided to command every Morgren tribe-or retain every scrap of your freedom-and face what the future holds alone, as you have before.||"

I make the Soul Eden take a few more steps forward, and lean down to add it's gaze to that of my faux-body, Ruby eyes sparking balefully amidst the golden-orange fire that perpetually encircles my golden skull.

"||So what's it going to be?||"

Two minutes later, I've got my Deep Spawn returned to their respective duties, the Ark Ascendant back over Mordreden, and Silverpelt (whose name, is it happens, is Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon The Wise) officially is swearing the Stone Knuckle Tribe into my service.

At twelve thousand of them. Not a bad start.





Well, I've conquered one of I don't know how many tribes-what is my next move?
Do I want to keep flying tribe to tribe and force them into submission personally, or should I set Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon up with what he needs to begin a war of unification, just the same as the one Lorgk is finally wrapping up?
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No. 307884 ID: 1854db

>>307881
Get one more tribe under your belt personally. Otherwise there will likely be heavy losses incurred from getting that second tribe subjugated.

Also, this is interesting. They say they can kill Deep Spawn, and they are free from the Mosmordre loyalty that was inscribed upon their souls? I predict that there are Soul Mages amongst this tribe.
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No. 307885 ID: bdd7d3

>>307881
>Well, I've conquered one of I don't know how many tribes-what is my next move?

Find out. We do have issues with the state to take care of, but just get a quick run down of who's in charge, how many tribes there are, and what resources the Stone Knuckles can bring to bare. Inspect the camp.

>Do I want to keep flying tribe to tribe and force them into submission personally, or should I set Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon up with what he needs to begin a war of unification, just the same as the one Lorgk is finally wrapping up?
Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon seems quiet cunning and we haven't gifted ourselves to the Morgren in the same way we did the Premen. Have Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon get a army of conquest whipped up and march at the rear. See how these morgren match up without the training and such.
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No. 307895 ID: c6ce12

>>307881
It seems like it might be worth it to do a bit of reconnaissance. We don't need to know every tribe that's out there, just which ones the Stone Knuckle Tribe believes are the weakest and most easily absorbed. Then we can leave them too their business, well mostly. I think we could afford to detach our eyes to follow the fight, casting illusions from Orochoth if required. Keep the Amaranthine Annihilator on hold unless it is absolutely necessary, like if there was a vast miscalculation in the level of power one of the tribes possesses.
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No. 307902 ID: d429c4

Well, your medium term plan for the Mogren should be to introduce them to Lubu. I have a feeling they'd get along...

We should work with Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon to unify the tribes, and each time we subjugate one, you should send it down to serve in Lubu's forces as mercenaries.

You should also ask the Mogren if they have any particularly interesting loot - powerful magical weapons, large gems, or Coloured Metals that you could use. You can make it worth their while (using Curiatomancy to upgrade them if they're willing).

Also, I suggest you spend a Pristine Soul to upgrade your ability to control multiple golems simultaneously. That way you can keep your Soul grave body backing up your Mogren tribes, whilst having your other body show its face in the State. Whilst doing this, you can tell the Mogren's neighbours that you have found a way to save them from their depredations - you have introduced them to a foreign ruler willing to sate their desire for bloodlust, and he's giving them another outlet. This peaceful resolution to a problem will augment our Philosopher-King Belief.
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No. 307906 ID: 8b0de1

>Do I want to keep flying tribe to tribe and force them into submission personally, or should I set Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon up with what he needs to begin a war of unification, just the same as the one Lorgk is finally wrapping up?

This worked out quite nicely, didn't it? It is good that we don't have to go through tedious process of diplomacy every single time.
Why would we set MarGrun to start a war of unification? The war will bring only casualties and in the end we will have less force to command.
I say we do the same thing we just did, every time adding a thousand of the most Elite Morgen with us, till we have united every damn tribe in the region with MarGrun as our representative.
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No. 307908 ID: 692cff

Okay, remember how we used Bobobo for mines in the state? We need to do the same with the Premen, and also find good places to open tunnels for the Deep Spawn cause that gets us stuff. The Premen are going to need these for when they start getting geared up to arm the Morgren with their budding industrial society. Can't have the state supplying their shit. Also, we should find the two most bad-ass Morgren missing an arm in the tribe. One gets a curatiomancy special, some sort of monstrously clawed arm with the electric thing bang has. The other gets a premen made prosthetic. Main purpose of this is turning them into rivals, because we know how good rivals are for soul growth. And send a couple into the Ark to train with the Apostles of Bang.

Now, aside from that, I agree we should do more or less the samething we did here to the next largest tribe, and start talking with Lubu about a moving the army into the LoD. And of course going over loot. Human sized weapons, money, gems, and things in general the Morgren can't use. Don't go taking their useful stuff though, cause they got war to start.
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No. 307912 ID: 059fc4

>>307881
first get a report from the silverpelted morgren on the surrounding tribes, if their the biggest then like the others sugested set them to the unification war after giving them a heap of technomagic weapons. if their not the major tribe then find the greatest tribe and hammer it into submision.

Dont forget to check what they have for loot and get the detail of how they unbound themselves from their servitude.
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No. 307914 ID: ae0719

>>307906
I say relegate this to the Deep Spawn, and maybe Lorgk's people. We're probably going to want to send them down to Lubu eventually, but they should get to know/bond with the Premen, too. They're both going to be our 'ace in the hole' in case we need to switch from diplomacy to bloody (bloodIER) conquest.

Plus, I don't know if we want to associate ourselves with leading the Morgren, if anyone could conceivably find out about it.
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No. 307957 ID: 4e8461

>Sending Morgren to LoD
>Telling neighbouring countries that Morgren problem has been dealt with
NO!
Absolutely not!!!
Morgren are ace in our sleeve, just like Premen and the Ark.
We should not reveal our cards to anyone just like that.

If we feel that we need more power against anti-Lubu coalition. If our officers and spawn are not enough, then maybe we will use our other resources.


I say we indentify 4 of the strongest tribes and assimilate them the same way as we did with this one. After that it would be easy for them to unite the rest.
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No. 308016 ID: ba6280

As was suggested previously, I think we ought to have the chief conquer the other Morgren. A trial by combat is an excellent test to ensure he's capable of leading this army, and they should respond more readily to a Morgren leader backed by unstoppable doom monster #1.

There's nothing wrong with providing a little support, but keep it one step removed. Weapons, healing, and enhancement are all fine but direct intervention would suggest that this tribe needs our assistance to win.

As to their purpose, we're never short of wars and it can wait.
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No. 308017 ID: d4f98d

Awesome update.

>>307885 has the right idea I think. However, remember: They havent subsumed the other tribes by themselves already, which implies that its going to be more costly for them than would be worth it. As such, SOME form of support would be necessary. Aid them in conquering the first of their enemies personally. This will give further chance to demostrate your potency, and once the ball gets rolling, it should snowball nicely.
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No. 308029 ID: f0e3ae

>>307957
>Morgren are ace in our sleeve, just like Premen and the Ark. We should not reveal our cards to anyone just like that.
Agreed

I am with those who say that before deciding HOW we approach the conquest of the other morgreen we should ask the ones we just conquered for more info.
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No. 308064 ID: 0d095c

Hmmm. These guys ARE badasses, but perhaps we should subjugate one or two more tribes ourselves. Just to make sure they've got a head start.
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No. 308070 ID: 81f32a

Seriously, just think about it.
They have existed for 17 years after the Empires destruction. These are creatures made for war and they love fighting, it is justifiable to assume that they have established tribe, fought each other and made enemies (not unlike the situation with Premen). So after all these years they have stricken some kind of power balance, no tribe is ruling all other tribes and if one tries to go for complete dominance it does not have enough power to gain it.
It is safe to assume that sending Silverpelt with the instruction of uniting all the tribes will end in failure, he might have a powerful tribe but he will be going against other powerful tribes too.

Mordre needs to subjugate as much of tribes he can manage, big, small, medium, does not matter. Each time he could take the leader of the previous tribe and a group of the most elite soldiers from it with him to add points to his "argument"

We also should establish connection between our holding here and Premen lands, so that they can benefit from each other. Perhaps Premen could supply high-quality arms and weapons (somehow, I don't think that Morgren are fit for crafting equipment)
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No. 308214 ID: cd63e9

I think we should subjugate a few tribes ourselves. The reason our work with the prmen went over so well is because we built up a very good relationship with them before leaving them to there own devices. If we simply hand this guy the tools of conquest and say go at it, he may not stay loyal. We should build up our relationships with him some more before leaving them to there own devices, and the best way to do that is to conquer some of the neighboring tribes with him. Once the stone knuckle tribe is well established, and loyal to us we can leave them to finish up.
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No. 308248 ID: 36b8bc

I support getting more intelligence on the other tribes and the lands from Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon The Wise.

Mordre also promised Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon that he would be our General of Morgren when we explained his choice between service and support on one hand and freedom and hanging on his own on the other. Act like it!
Ask Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon him to make a plan to conquer the other tribes. Then review it together with him, his war council(if he has one) and Kyorto for tough spots we can use our power to make go easier or faster. Ask what he wants or needs for his clan, he may think of something we can provide, but won't think of on our own.

We can offer armor and weapons made by Idoneus and perhaps the Premen. I don't think we should bring State products as large scale large Morgren sized armor and weapon production is kind of obvious. It makes our neighbors more nervous when we want them complacent and if someone sees the Morgren with new Morgren sized equipment, or even State specialties, the connection is too easy to make.

IIRC Bang spends time on the Ark with some regularity, which limits the Ark's involvement with the Morgren. Bang may tolerate the Morgren more as he is from the Despardos and their mindsets mesh. Nonetheless I am reluctant to get him involved after the show we just gave to the Morgren since we are still trying to keep quiet what Mordre really is.

I am also against sending Morgren to the LoD. The Mortal Coil has contacts and influence there, too. If our association with Morgren gets noticed in the LoD, the news will travel quickly north.
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No. 308356 ID: 692cff

>>308248
The Mortal Coil doesn't have a presence there actually, that's the point of Lenryt's task, to have one there under her control. Which we really should ask Lubu about so we can finally get a hold of those two boons.
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No. 308459 ID: 097e6e

PS attempts: The suspected fragment of the Caged One originally manifested as a being of molten stone--perhaps, then, its skeleton (at least) is made of solid stone. Then, perhaps the stone in Moss a piece of the Caged One's bones? Then, as such, using that stone as a component to a metal would allow the resulting alloy to break Lortoxite.

Also, regarding the Curse, I would think that the Deep Spawn Scientomancers (if they created, or are able to modify, the System) would be so careless to deliberately set in commands that would so grievously damage the System with no gain. As Eldghodd mentioned that a tremendous amount of energy was released, presumably from the Caged One, perhaps the Curse is a desperation move; if the Caged One becomes close to obtaining its freedom from its cage, then the Deep Spawn Scientomancers probably will release planet-/continent-wide Curse, which would slow/stop the Caged One's growth temporarily.

Given the birth of World Parasites, whose appearance have been established as marking the end of the sleep of Planet Gods, the consequences of the above (particularly the loss of all the souls caught in the Curse) may explain, in part, why the Deep Spawn desire living mortals: those traded mortals are souls held in storage for re-population of the lands affected by the Curse.

Of course, if the Cursed Lands are any indication of what happens in a full-fledged Curse, most of those released mortals won't live long (which might be designed, as that would ensure continued influx of souls to the System).

Anyways.

On the Morgren, get them started on a war of unification; however, care should be taken so that your name (Mordre, Mage Mordre, etc.) won't be mentioned in association with the war and/or Morgren; while the Morgren are not monitored quite that closely that the general populace would known of this meeting unless the big players decide to release the info; a war of unification would be noticed (if only because of the reduced number of raids), and warrants investigation.

Also, when things with the Morgren are set in motion and back in someplace secure, consult with Kyorto and your Deep Spawn on how to Restrict or otherwise more firmly gain the loyalty of the Morgren to you.

Then, an idea on how to create a Mask: your Faith Soldiers are already Belief Constructs, could a Faith Soldier's body be shaped to conform to the Mask's (so the Faith Soldier more readily possesses the Mask) and Soul Magic used to write the algorithms that governs the capabilities of the Mask (particularly how they sustain their existence: the Faith Soldier should be made to be able to draw upon the Golden Mask's Belief, as well as the Belief that it exists)? Bang's little collection of Masks should provide sufficient basis. And, if the above method allows the creation of a Mask, maybe the creation should take place in the Ark, where Bang, with his Mask (and the information that his Mask empowers him), have predisposed the populace that Masks empower people, which would provide a replacement/supplement to the Desparden Mask Belief.

>>307902
>loot
Yes, see if the Morgren are willing to part with any of the loot from their raids since the Empire's destruction. Kyorto stated that Morgren generally don't care much about keeping what they get, but, as one of the bindings (hmm, not restrictions, but bindings: given the dealings with the Deep Spawn, Restrictions upon one's soul in Mosmordre should be in the vein of Deep Spawn Restrictions, I would think, which cannot be easily removed, but bindings in the vein of Weinsho's on Dulu, based on Soul Magic... Yeah, like >>307884 says, someone's using Soul magic.) have been circumvented, what shes recalls of the Morgren of her time may not hold true for the Morgren now. So, yeah, probe for the willingness to part with loot that you are interested in: precious metals, gems, tomes on magic, etc. If they are willing to just hand their ill-gotten gains over without fuss, that's good; if not, find out the price, pay it if it is not too much, go on with your day if it is.

>Pristine Soul
No; I think it would be best for Mordre to discover the limits of this ability without the use of a Pristine Soul. Of course, work must be done on testing the ability: particularly, the multi-tasking capability--perhaps the Soul Eden's boosted thought processing could be used to assist control of the Mage Mordre body or have the Soul Eden off fighting somewhere while Mage Mordre works in the State, for example?
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No. 308502 ID: a76809

>>307884
...I wonder, if but one tribe is... sufficient to my needs.

>>307885
I idly turn back to the one I call Silverpelt, Mar the Wise, and begin asking questions.
"||So-how many tribes are there in need of unification?||"
>[Silverpelt]"||Ten more, War God.||"
"||Ah, catchy title-but don't forget my name-further, anything of note you could mention about the other tribes would be useful.||"
Still treating my 'flesh' body as my primary, I am lucky enough to see the comparatively towering Morgren bowing double in genuflection as he offers words.
>[Silverpelt]"||Of course... War God Mordre. Of the tribes nearest to us, only one is truly a threat: The Iron Head Clan, lead by Gorth the Unyielding, is one of the strongest clans. It's absentee leader, Gorth the One-Named, is the greatest warrior to walk these planes.||"
"||Is that a fact? And where can I find this Gorth?||"
>[Silverpelt]"As is oft the case, he is not present-he travelled south two years ago, leaving his whelp, [b][u][i]Gorr Rup Mar The Destroyer. Even a shadow of the fighter his father is.. none can match him. His power, and that of his fathers, has crushed countless plans over the years.||"

This I am finding more and more intriguing-Mar Grun Ram Mag Mon has struck me from the start as one to lead with his mind, not his arm-whereas this Iron Head clan sounds quite the opposite. ...Two tribes, one lead by cunning, one lead by brawn... two complementary clans against nine.... yes, I could see this working.
>>307895
I flit about the camp, asking questions as I don't bother walking, simply floating from place to place on amounts of magic that would ignite the fat of a mortal mage.... organics, they are just not built to last...

Quite possibly the most important thing I learn is the clan's history-truncated or no. One of the oldest clans, Silverpelt has been leading them since the fall of the empire. Originally they were part of military forces in the swamps south of where the Empire once was-when the last Mosmordren fell, they eventually found their way west, settling here. A few years passed-and those contingents of Morgren on the eastern front made their way here as well, following talk of other Morgren. Marmon, Sporth and Calro were the first three tribes to form. From there... nothing but constant faction friction, squabbles, clashes and strife.

I take a seat atop a worn stone in the center of the camp, presumable the leader's seat of authority as I muse on a couple subjects, watching the Morgren slowly start to warm to Kyorto-who seems to be genuinely enjoying demonstrating the fact she is no longer human.
"||This Iron Head clan.... does it share a border with you?||"
>[Silverpelt]"||The Iron Head Clan is at the heart of this land, bordered on all sides by foes-yes, they share a border with us, as they do with everyone. They are the hub of the Morgren wheel.||"
"||I see-and which direction are they?||"
>[Silverpelt]"||West and South, War God Mordre.||"
"||I find it interesting you call me War God when I didn't kill any of the tribe members. In fact I haven't killed anyone today...directly.||"
>[Silverpelt]"||Even were it not for the.... the death I can feel about your metal guardian, I would know you as what you are.||"
"||How? Several have commented on this but I do not know what they are percieving.||"
"||...Life-it holds meaning to everyone and everything that draws breath-all share the fear of eternal sleep, of never acting again-but for you, life.... does not seem the same. Looking in your eyes is like looking in the eyes of a mountain after it crushes those who lived on it: It does not matter to the mountain that some mourn an event, the mountain simply does what its purpose dictates it should do.||"
"||An interesting description-so I don't value life the same way as mortals... makes sense, all things considered.... well-||"
>>308016
"||A question, then: Should Gorr be removed from the picture absent his father, could you conquer the Iron Head tribe?||"
>[Silverpelt]"||In half a day, if I knew when he was to be removed. If we did not know in advance, so as to strike hard and fast... I do not know. Perhaps.||"
"||Capital!||"
>>308070
>>308214
>>308248
I check with Phohn-blast, Bang is back in the Ark Ascendant now-had I acted ten seconds earlier... ah, well, no point now, he'd be suspicious if I asked him to vacate. ...My Deep Spawn are likewise restored to their earlier posts. I leave Kyorto... and my Soul Eden with the Stone Knuckles clan, and pop into the air with forceful application of Kinetomancy and Gravimancy-who needs to use Aeromancy for flight when you have enough magic force to scoff at your own total mass? Besides, I would presume most anti-flier wards and magics to target Aeromancy-not using it could turn out most beneficial.
>[Silverpelt]"||..War God Mordre, do you wish us to start marching on the Iron Head clan?||"
"||Immediately-I shall deal with Gorr-have fun with his followers, would you?||"
>[Silverpelt]"||The Stone Hands clan will not let this chance fall from our grasp.||"

As I fly into the air, I watch the camp exploding into motion, Silverpelt issuing orders like a stage master cracking his whip, disorder becoming functional mayhem in seconds. I smile at the sight, at more living weapons slaved to my name as I turn to face South-West-

And continue on my way.

Through my Soul Eden, I inform Kyorto that we both are there only as support, not as fighters or offensive mages-this is to assess the clan's competence, not our own-something she seems to have already puzzled out.

I enjoy my moment of solitude, inhabiting this body that outwardly looks so.... [i]fleshy[i/], beard streaming out over my shoulders like a massive salt and pepper scarf-as I see the lean-tos and tents beneath me begin to shift. Gone are the rock clusters I now recognize as symbols of the Stone Knuckles Clan-and in their place, are lumps of iron-some even passably shaped into skulls. I would venture a guess I am over the Iron Skull's territory now.

I scan the landscape below, watching, seeking.... if I were a strength based leader of a Morgren clan, where would I-

I see a Morgren head and shoulders taller than any other present, so laden with muscle he's bulkier than my Soul Eden even WITH overarmor on-he looks as big as an Alchemical giant!

That would be Gorr, then.

From slightly about a mile about ground level, I climb. Two... three.... four miles up, I stop and consider.

I lash together my magic, wishing I could replicate the impressive Blood Magic of my Soul Eden in this form, weaving Pyromancy, Gravimancy and Kinetomancy together. I script a column of fire to burn away the air before me-I script a gravimantic weight to bring me earthward faster-and I script a Kinetomancy net to push me down even as I am pulled. My magic finalized, I link it all to a single restriction-

As I begin my descent.

Four miles.

I cover it in one second.

Yet instead of charging straight into battle with the massive Gorr-or even using that incredible force to leave a smoking crater in his camp, every bit of magical and kinetic energy simpy vanishes the moment I touch down-so that to any eyes but those, perhaps, of Bang, I appear to have simple materialized.

In the middle of their camp.

Ten feat before their leader.

I see Gorr thinking, mouth opening to react to my presence-and I speak over him, counting down. Fifteen...

"||I have come here to challenge the Iron Skulls chieftain to a trial by combat, to determine who is strong enough to lead.||"
Seven seconds....
"||Do you accept?||"
Five seconds...

Instead of words, a consonent-less roar rattles out from his barrel chest, as Gorr throws a fist larger than Keddic my way, with all the finality of an executioner's axe.

The fist closes.
One.....

And the trigger is met, my hand rising to meet his.

From an outside perspective, unversed or unaware of the intricacies of magic, I'm certain this looked quite impressive. The diminuitive, frail-seeming old man, standing to face the towering titan of muscle-and doing what I do.

The moment our flesh makes contact, the second of two Restrictions is met.

1-Fifteen seconds after touching the ground is the only point at which the stored magic can be discharged.
2-The discharge can only be made body-to-body, and as such the spell has a touch-range.

Pretty persnickety Restrictions... and when you pile them on top of all that magical energy I built up-

Instead of being crushed by a fist several times my size (the result most were expecting) the crisp, salty air is filled with a cacophony of resouning cracks and creaks-

As Gorr's arm twists and breaks and implodes in on itself, hit with such a vicious force his own formidable strength is ignored-

And the multiton leader of the Iron Hands clan, who rules by strength-

Is overpowered and sent flying by a puny 'human', twirling and tumbling viciously through the air to crash into his own tent.

With but one finger.

....Why was it that I did not use Restrictions on my magic before, I no longer recall.

In any event, as Gorr, now pulling himself free of the wreckage of his own tent, stares at me, I note I have the eyes and ears of every Morgren within eyeshot.







Now.... what to say, given at this very moment the Stone Knuckles tribe is invading with everything they've got?
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No. 308516 ID: cd63e9

how about something along the lines of, huh I really thought he would be stronger than that. Try and come off as disappointed in the strength of your foe, that'll do fun things to the iron skulls morale.
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No. 308533 ID: f0e3ae

>>308516
haha! I loled. definitely do that.

mmm, you could use your teleporting deepspawn to whisk him away to your soul eden and either execute him for his soul.... or hold him captive for the duration of the fight while assessing the effectiveness of your new fighters.

I just love the idea of getting all the morgreen to think of you as "War God Mordre"... that would be some nice boost in your faith power too.

Of course, mordre is not quite up to god standards yet... And even when he finally ascends this means much much more interaction/competition with elder "gods" like the wanderer and the critic and the fan.
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No. 308534 ID: e41ad5

"My, they don't make Morgren like they used to."
walk over to him, as he's getting up, and force him to his knees. "I am the War God Mordre, and you will kneel before me. I take your clan, and all your people, under my banner. if you ever act against me again, whatever soul you may have is forfeit, and you will sleep forever. Are we clear? Stand down your men!"

Using phonomancy, call to Silverpelt that you have been victorious.
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No. 308543 ID: ae0719

I'm really liking Mar.

>>308533
'War God Mordre' does have a certain ring to it, even if it might be unwise to spread our name around as 'leader of the morgren'.

"So do I, War God Mordre, claim you as mine. Iron Heads, even as we speak the Stone Knuckles come to meet you in battle. Let us see which of the mightiest clans emerges victorious, shall we?"

Then during the ensuing monster mosh pit, use your body and saw rings to heal the fallen while simultaneously lowering their blood pressure to induce unconsciousness. Or can you force them into a hibernation-like state?

Anyway, lets see how they do, shall we? Perhaps the victor's Chief shall become Overchieftain under you, or perhaps they shall rule jointly and you just want to see some blood sports.
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No. 308547 ID: 590292

>>308516
>>308533
Countermand both, insults will only incite the rest to anger and possibly swarm tactics. And I want to take this big'un alive.


Instead, calmly observe that despite your aged appearance, you've had ample opportunity to prove otherwise in personal combat, and apologize for not having enough time to make that known beforehand so he could be more prepared for what he was going up against. Afterward, inquire if he'd prefer to yield, so that the loss of an arm would be the immediate end of things, as opposed to being further mangled if the match becomes prolonged.
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No. 308551 ID: 3f12fc

Ok, i suggest building different bodies for use when you are dealing with people better not associated with 'Mordre'.

In the case of mordren, maybe a life golem- like one, but in many other cases, yet again different kinds.

this will really help secrecy.
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No. 308567 ID: 73039e

Walk up to Gorr Rup Mar. Offer him your hand. “Join with me, and I will mend your arm, and lead your tribe to great strength. Resist, and you will lose another limb.”

>>308516
>>308533
>>308534
No, no, no and no.
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No. 308598 ID: 81f32a

>....Why was it that I did not use Restrictions on my magic before, I no longer recall.
true, we need to use them more. Much more, heck, if done properly pretty much every spell could be put under a restriction.

I don't think Gorth is going to give up so fast.
You could say "This is but a fraction of my strength, bow down to me and I might spare your life!"

Spell restriction ideas:
You could predict again when he is going to strike you and restrict you spells that way
Spell that works only against Morgren (or giant creatures)
Spell that works only at this time of the year/day
Spell that works when you are on ground/air
when enemy is on ground/air
Spell that works only on touch/only when enemy hits you/only when hit on certain area.
Spell that works only on living being
Spell that can be only cast by non-living beings
Spell that works only during the song of our people
etc
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No. 308608 ID: e41ad5

>>308598

>Restriction-based spells

DEADLY DIRGE

Remember the Dirge back from when we burned souls alive? We have some ability with phonomancy, so let's Restrict it.

The basic spell is that it amplifies the Dirge to injure people. Include the following Restrictions:

>It only works when more than four hundred individuals are within a mile of Mordre.
>It only targets individuals you designate, no one else.
>It only works during the day.
>It only works during x season (The one you plan to go to war during)
>It only targets the eardrums of those you designate.

The result? During a summer war, you can point at a guy and make him deaf when you use the Dirge.
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No. 308616 ID: 097e6e

...Bang's back in the Ark? Shall we presume that he and his father were successful in their mission to save his mother?

Also, when did Mordre gain Gravimancy and Aeromancy as options? Did those stem from the influence of the part of Mordre's soul that came from Nidhogg's and the Ark Ascendant's souls?

On what to do, I like Guile's idea of letting the two clans fight for a while, though Mordre should inform them that he has taken control of both the Stone Knuckles and Iron Heads. The idea of using Curatiomancy (with the saw rings to bypass the Combat limitation) to prevent casualties/fatalities sounds good as well. Letting them fight also has the benefit of allowing Mordre to harvest any Morgren Blood that spills during the fighting; as Morgren have innately magical blood, this should be a good opportunity to work out the benefits of adding Morgren Blood Iron to the Soul Eden alloy. (Also with the harvesting Morgren Blood suggestion, get what can be salvaged from Gorr's destroyed arm.)

>>308551
>multiple bodies
This sounds like a good idea, especially if Mordre manages to gain effective multi-tasking; though, I worry that magical effectiveness of each individual body would decrease too much for Mordre's current ability if magic has to be used from multiple bodies simultaneously. For the Morgrens, could the Life Golem be made from a hybrid Morgren/Rageglut/War Hound base, saturated with World magic from being made in a Leyline Geyser? Hopefully the LoD influence would suggest a Morgren who went south and then returned to conquer and unify the clans; adding another set of camouflage to disguise 'Mage Mordre's' influence. Kyorto's and Bobobo's aid should be used to disguise the look of Mordre's soul to look like a Morgren's, as well (possibly based and Restricted to the Morgren-interface body).
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No. 308691 ID: cd63e9

I'd like to remind people that we are not here to conquer the iron skull's ourselves, we are using them to test and bloody the stone knuckle tribe. we are killing the leader of the iron skull tribe to give the stone knuckle tribe an easy win. changing the plan mid battle would be a bad idea. to get the morgen under us, we need mar both loyal and respectful.
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No. 308697 ID: 097e6e

>>308691
...We're not killing Gorr; he is much more valuable as a warrior and leader than as a dead soul giving the Soul Eden an ability, however potent it may be.
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No. 308698 ID: 3f12fc

>>308608
Kinda disagree on the restriction used.

Why not make the opposite- a sound made to boost the moral of our troop instead?

i feel it goes better with the whole 'soul eden' schitck.
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No. 308702 ID: d4f98d

>>308547
Agreed. And this test was really more to get the Iron Skulls and Stone Knuckles both rolled into our army. If we want to test either one, Im sure there will be Morgren Tribes who refuse to join.

If necessary, continue to mangle limbs if he does not yield.

Outright insulting there clan should be reserved for if they are belligerent. Our goal, again, is to join the two clans, and as many others as possible, under our banner.
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No. 308724 ID: 36b8bc

>>308356
Yes, but that only means there are no Mortal Coil schools in the LoD. Individual mages of the Mortal Coil are there or have holdings there, see Lenryt and Weinsho. There is also communication between LoD mages and Mortal Coil members simply because Mortal Coil controls most of the research in the North.

>>308516
>>308533
>>308534
No insulting. We want the Iron Skulls to be absorbed by the Stone Knuckles. Insulting doesn't help.

Our goal is to remove Gorr from the Iron Skulls as his presence is what prevents an absorption.
>>308547
Similiar to this, but don't apologize. Use Gravimancy restricted to the area under his body to keep him prone and advance slowly. I do not think he will yield yet, if he even can and the challenge wasn't implicitly to the death in Morgren culture. As suggestion:

"You only see this old and frail body. You think, how dare this puny figure challenge you. You are mighty, but you are sadly lacking in Strength. Let me show you Strength."

If he survives, we can't leave him there without setting up a conflict between Gorr and Silverpelt to later interfere with our army. So play up our War God impression with the Stone Knuckles. Give Gorr a task or a godly curse (turns out to be boon once you learned the lesson it shall teach you).

If he doesn't survive, get the Soul Eden there and eat him. Then see if you can turn the body into one of your extras as >>308551 suggests.

I am not sure which option I prefer, keep in mind we are using our fleshy body and a little error can cost us this fight. Better concentrate on winning first and keeping Gorr alive second.


>>308608
>>308698

Actually I am against restricting the effect of the Dirge. The Dirge already has effects and if we continue to use it, Believe Magic will enhance the Dirge with time. In general time restrictions like day, night or season are to be treated with caution.

>>308616
>...Bang's back in the Ark? Shall we presume that he and his father were successful in their mission to save his mother?

Bang hasn't left yet. That is still 05 Game Days in the future.
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No. 308887 ID: 81f32a

>>308698
Or instead of making enemies deaf (which kind of defeats the purpose of the dirge) make them shit and fear in horror. Unspeakable terrors will haunt their wakened minds as long as they can hear it.
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No. 309111 ID: cd63e9

all interesting ideas, though we might want to move discussion on how to best weaponize the dirge to the discussion thread.
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No. 311601 ID: a76809

>>308543
I stride forward, enjoying the abrupt increase in respect afforded to my diminutive frame. Eyes, once mocking, now watchful and wary stay glued to my every move.

"||Well-I could continue tearing you apart limb by limb-but that seems largely pointless.||"
Gorr begins tearing himself free of the wreckage, a wagon's worth of herbs in his good hand, munching away.
"||Instead I'd point out the Stone Knuckle tribe is currently attacking your clan with everything they have."
His arm struggles to repair itself, but the mangled mess is so far gone whatever he consumed does little for him. It dangles at his side as he comes to a sudden start, just as he began to charge.
"||I have no motivation to lie-no reason to find combat against you something I need to have stopped. I would be more entertained watching your two clans struggle, and you would be best served moving to prove your clan's dominance in the struggle.||"
I can feel the bloodlust radiating off his body like heat from a furnace-yet Gorr continues to restrain himself. He looks to one side, eying a Morgren in a crude watch tower-as his response confirms my story, the Iron Skulls temporary chief says but one word.
>[Gorr]"||Why?||"
I smile that smile of mine, one I staunchly defend as being intended as fond, while dissenters continue to label it 'demonic', words pouring from my mouth.
>>308616
>>308702
"||I need an Army, Gorr. I need one that is cunning, and powerful. Your clan shall provide the power-the Stone Knuckles the cunning. The question is, of the two once-seperate forces, who will be left dominant once the dust settles?||"
>[Gorr]"||A test?||"
"||Precisely-I shall be acting to minimize casualties during this venture.||"
My Soul Eden, amidst the Stone Knuckles, begins enforcing bleedout deterrence as fighters drop to the ground.
"||In fact I'm already doing it. I'd suggest you hurry, if you wish to prove your own worth here.||"
Again, a long, slow stare-that raging heat subsiding, as he looks past me. He comes to a decision-and rushes past me, leading every one of his clansmen into battle. I follow along, and from both centers of the now raging battle, I act to mitigate fatalities, while I assess what I hope to be the seed of the coming Pan-Morgren Army.

The Iron Skulls are without a doubt, warrior for warrior, larger, stronger, and more durable as a whole. They also outnumber the Stone Knuckles by a very slim margin of a few hundred bodies. Despite this, the Iron Skulls are losing-and it's because they don't seem to grasp the difference between a brawl, and war. Each Iron Skull fights their own fight-and while each are mighty warriors, against three or more foes they fall easily enough. Gorr himself is a classic example of his clan-even with one arm useless, he fells dozens of the largest and most powerful warriors amongst the Stone Knuckles-all of them of a size with my Soul Eden. In terms of raw physical might, he does quite well, his blows unblockable, only avoidable. But his power is as unfocused as his clan-and having had some time to organize first, the Stone Knuckles were able to prepare themselves well enough that they never lost their initial momentum, and firmly establish the battlefield's flow as under their control. The Iron Knuckles are dropped, one by one-and because the warriors take so long to fall, and all are blessed with wondrously resilient forms, I'm able to prevent a great many deaths-out of perhaps twenty five thousand individuals, one thousand, eight hundred seventy individuals perish-all added to my Soul Eden during the battle-all in all, a rather bloodless affair. Gorr himself continues to fight after the last of his clansmen has fallen, several hundred Stone Knuckles simply piling on him to restrain him. Mar strides up to the raging yet immobilized enemy chieftain.
>[Mar]"||Where is your clan?||"
Half-blinded by his own blood, Gorr blinks, looking around-and sees his clan broken, beaten around him. The fight in his eyes dies, and he slumps like a puppet with hiss strings cut.
>[Mar]"||Will you serve as Field Pariah, and fight on under... War God Mordre's banner? Or will you choose death?||"
>[Gorr]"||That name of little one?||"
>[Mar]"||Yes, Gorr son of Gorth.||"
>[Gorr]"||....Then, choose to live, fight on.||"
>[Mar]"||An excellent choice.||"

I continue to attend to the wounded, restoring them to health as those already healed or largely unharmed set to collecting together, as I issue forth an edict to one and all of them, Phohn aiding me by whispering it into their each and every mind.
"||What I want is simple-I want your two tribes to conquer every other. To do that, you will need to become a single, unified force, one those broken before you can bow to. Do not feel obligated, at this point, to cling to as much territory as you can-use all your resources to gear for war, and unify your people. If you prove yourselves to weak to accomplish such-then I shall find those who can. Beyond that-I leave to you the methods to use. I shall be watching.||"

With that-Phohn summons Burduko and Rutgur, my Soul Eden, my Faux-Body and Kyorto are all brought back to the Azelhaedran state. Upon our return, still within the warded teleportation room, Kyorto speaks.

>[Kyorto]"...I find you remind me of someone."
"Would that someone be a Chaos-mage? A Legendary one, perhaps?"
Kyorto looks at me sharply, her illusion cracking for an instant before being repaired.
"Oh yes-I know who you speak of."
>[Kyorto]"...You're like him, in that way-he could either sway others to his way with words-or failing that bend them to his will with power."
She seems for a moment as if she has more to say-but our return is not unnoticed, as Arkus, having wheedled the information from Phohn, immediately begins bombarding us both with the backup of duties from our little outing. ...While not as exciting, this forms the conclusion of my day.

[ [DAY 206: DAY 6 OF CYCLE 3 OF MONTH 7]
[Lorthday of the Third Cycle of Malanius]


A new day dawns-and it seems Dregas has requested an early-day council meeting. He includes a note that he has both good news-and urgent news. Seeing no reason to reject him, I make my way to the meeting, running into Carkiano and Eisenhardt on the way.
>[Carkiano]"You know what the hubbub's about?"
>[Eisenhardt]"The good news is likely that we finished acquisitions of the Mahnlea trading company-I have some friends there that wrote me-but I'd hardly call it urgent. I don't suppose you know, Mordre?"
I merely quirk a bristled eyebrow at the lean old man, who heaves a long-suffered sigh.
>[Eisenhardt]"Well, I suppose it isn't like I expected differently. Incidentally, where did you go yester... you wouldn't answer that either, would you Prime Councilor?"
>[Carkiano]"Not like he has to."
>[Eisenhardt]"...Yes, there is that. I still find myself chuckling, thinking what the me of just a few months ago would think, seeing me here now."
>[Carkiano]"Hah-I know the feeling?"
>[Eisenhardt]"Do you?"

As we arrive at the council room, their conversation dies, as we all enter. Dregas, patiently waiting, seals the door as the last member enters and begins speaking even as he walks to his seat.

>[Dregas]"Originally today I was going to be telling you that we finished acquiring ownership of fifty two percent of Mahnlea shipping companies-but a new problem has arisen. It seems that some two thirds of our trade partners are looking to opt out of contracts early, citing warnings from the mortal coil as their reason. It would seem our entire nation is being economically blacklisted as of this morning-I only have this news thanks to how we trade."


Every set of eyes in the room turns towards me.







What should I say or do?
What else should we discuss at today's meeting?
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No. 311615 ID: 0d095c

Hmmm. This is bad. Some bugger is trying to destroy us economically, since both magic and force failed. This is starting to test our patience. First that bastard steals a Soul Grave, then that little bugger pops in during a classified meeting, and NOW they pull this bullshit.

Perhaps it's time we inform the Mortal Coil that we are NOT AMUSED.
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No. 311623 ID: 835a2d

The Mortal Coil is personally intervening with the recovery of a war-torn nation. Any further interruption will be seen as an act of war and dealt with as such.

WE ARE FUCKING TIRED OF THIS SHIT.
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No. 311629 ID: ae0719

Chuckle. "I see. So the Mortal Coil wants our attention so badly they would resort to trade embargo? Surprising; not how I thought they would move at all. That's a move I might have expected of Castilliathen. And economically troubling until we move further afield in search of business partners. Still, our particular brand of trading means it is far harder to stifle us; long-range trading is still as swift as trading with the next country over."

"Actually, this does provide the impetus for expanding our economic grasp, something I've been hesitating to do with the easier trading contacts close at hand.

"I am curious, though. Dregas, see what 'warning' the Mortal Coil is offering about us, would you? I'll see if I can get in touch with the various people I know within the Coil itself."

Read: go cap in hand to Lenryt again.
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No. 311652 ID: f0e3ae

Mmmm... the mortal coil is ruled by a council, the head of said council is lynret who is on OUR side. However, she choses to not be a dictator and allows the other arch mages to retain their political power. So, the question is, which of the individuals on the council (IIRC there are 5 besides her). has voted for this measure, and what can we do to sway them or kill them such that this verdict is overturned.

Recall that hte mortal coil is not a country by a guild of mages. Furthermore recall that our job for lynrett, one worth TWO boons, is to open a branch of the mortal coil in the LOD. As such exterminating the mortal coil is totally unacceptable. Furthermore lenryt will see it as a direct attack on her own property and holdings and the paradox knights will reveal our identity and attack us. Some of our followers, probably eisenheardt and maybe cinko and harkburton will also likely turn on us if we attempt to merely slay them. And we will be beset upon by jack and the epic time mage king as well as others.

Attacking the mortal coil directly is about the worst possible thing that can happen to us.
So, what we need to do now is call lenryt, find out who is who. And start working on getting the arch mages on our side from those most open to the idea to those least. (via wordplay, bribery, work, threats, or outright violence).

In fact, we COULD find the least popular archmage and slay him/her and take their seat as lenryt did. We are already an honorary master mage... but we should not jump the gun here... Also its quite possible that an archmage is powerful enough to slaughter us. There are still many beings more powerful than us around.
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No. 311690 ID: 81f32a

Ask Dregas how much the embargo will hurt us and if it will make us regress or will just slow us down.
Get the status on the treasury.

Not sure how we do it, maybe Dregas can fill in the details, but make it so that it is economically nonviable for them to stop trading with us. Literally making them slack behind us and our partners.

We have a great hold on many resources, we can still expand to thousands of precious metal and gems deposits, we have huge terrain for food production, our technological base is growing at exponential rates.
The only problem still is to repair everything and make them going.

I know we took a "loan" out of Premen lands, but I think this call for another hefty withdrawal for rubies.
Hmm, the Morgren lands should also have bunch of deposits, so we should look into that took.... and Morgren themselves are great workforce to use... but I guess we will have to wait.

Are we trading with ALL the nations on this continent? The Mortal Coil reach cannot possibly encompass all of it, right? If there are places where we still haven't established trades, tell Dregas to get on to it.


Another, more dangerous and harder, alternate trading option would be to discover a new continent and make a Burduko connection to it.
Hmm... since the planet rotates and since Burduko once too us to space it is possible that the point where he has been doesn't rotate along with the planet and stays on the same place. meaning that he could teleport there and find himself over different part of the planet....
Although, thinking of it, I doubt it, because if the spaces he gets to do not move along with the planet they would be wedged in specific point in the universe and left behind as the planet moves around the sun, the solar system moves around the galaxy core and the galaxy moves around the Universe.

But he could still get up there, wait till planet rotates a bit and drop on another continent.
The only problem is Broggammek... fortunately he doesn't reign over this continent only, he travel above entire planet. So we could just wait till he is half-way across the planet and then make out move.
To achieve this, we basically need to put the Soul Eden on a mountain and have it observe the skies for a while.
When the coast is clear, we order burduko to space, where he last left, calculate the which new landmass will take him the least amount of time to go to and make a landfall there. If Broggammek appears in 100 mile radius, Burduko is to abort the mission and return. He can try again where he last left after the way is safe again.

Hopefully, the new continent would not be as alien (both in environment, culture and governments) as Dionepa and we could set up relations with them and start trading with them.
This would effectively be a huge FU to Mortal Coil since they cannot do shit about it.
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No. 311717 ID: d4f98d

>>311629
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Aptly put, Guile.

We cannot attempt blustering and Threats to the Mortal Coil. That will yield to us nothing good. Remember, via Lenryt, we are officially RECOGNIZED by the Coil, but Lenryt is our only real sponsor. The Coil is a dominant force in this entire area of the world, and Lenryt's interests reside there as well: If we cement ourselves as their absolute enemies, then we make her life harder, which in turn will feed back to us again, making OUR life harder.

Those who are trying to opt out of contracts should be informed there needs to be a damn good reason for reneging on a binding agreement.

As for what we should do about the Coil, we've only been denying them because much of our personal research has the potential to cast our nature in questioning light, though not outright expose us. Their constant attempts at browbeating us and blatant lack of respect have only exacerbated that.

Simply put, at this point, we need to get into actual negotiations with them. No more demands from either party, no more bluster from either party. Mutual cooperation to some degree has to happen. Simply put: They want access to our research, they need to scratch our back, then we'll scratch their's in proportion.
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No. 311718 ID: d4f98d

>>311717
Sorry, addendum:

I agree with Guile's points made, SAVE for the "Going to Lenryt and asking her to fix this for us"

We should go to her simply for hte sake of arranging the negotiations. That sidesteps the more unreasonable mages attempting to StoneWall us.
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No. 311726 ID: 9ea6ca

So... how exactly are the Coil enforcing this? Will they withdraw services in retaliation or just turn into a mafia and threaten all of our trade partners with kneecapping?

Our network is essentially portal based so they can't muck with anything in transit without actually attacking the network on either end.

>>301616
If you can spare a moment for an earlier multipost that got passed over. We should create Ignitract.
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No. 311737 ID: f0e3ae

>>311718
mostly agreed... i agree that we should go to her to arrange negotiations, but not just for it. We also ask her for intel on the mortal coil actually opposing us.

I would agree with you that we don't just say "fix this please". We need to fix this... besides which considering all the deals we have going with er its obvious that she opposed it politically and lost, and certainly will not be willing to slay the other council members of the mortal coil.
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No. 311822 ID: ae0719

I could be mistaken, but didn't there used to be 5 archmages, and then Lenryt killed two?

Also, do trade agreements between nations come with escape clauses?

>>311718
I suppose I didn't word that right. I meant, 'Go to Lenryt to find out what's going on'.


Anyhow, we can do this two ways, I figure. One, we do as Emba suggests and both groups put aside their childish bullshit and come to an agreement like adults. We do have Arkus's runic golem control research we can crib, though we'll also need some concessions in exchange for it if we give it up at all. This would have the benefit of making them think we have fucktons of energy we can squander to use it 24/7, despite the runic configuration being an energy hog. The downside is that these other nations might see this as us backing down to the Coil, which simply allows them to repeat the process the next time they want our attention.

The other is the 'fuck you guys, I'm going home' approach. We don't come to the negotiating table, and simply tap other markets. The LoD is the size of all the States put together; Desparden is an as-yet untapped economic resource (as far as I know) and that's not the whole of the continent. We just keep moving outwards, bringing profitable trade wrapped around an blootz steel fist.

Honestly, both sound pretty interesting to me.

Although both of these may be based on an imperfect understanding of the Coil's objectives, depending on what 'warning' they gave out about us.
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No. 311828 ID: 3f12fc

a possibility is that it's more of a move against lenyrt because they believe we are her puppet than a move against 'mordre', so going to lenyrt might only crerate more trouble.
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No. 311849 ID: 5b95eb

Clearly, the way is to make our own international mage organization, but with more blackjack and hookers and science.

And or spread that knowledge fuckin' everywhere.
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No. 311855 ID: a90e32

I'll add one voice to find out what the warnings about us are.

While I think the desire for Mordre supposed long range golem control is one reason for the embargo, I don't think it's the only one.
The Mortal Coil finances their member's research to a great part through the school fees prospective mages pay at their schools.

Now the State with its research outposts is probably the biggest, best organized other organization doing magic research and education. In the past they had a excellent reputation and produced new applications and processes. Now it is run by Mordre, a mage recognized for accomplishments in research by, but not part of, the Mortal Coil.

In the Mortal Coil there is probably a rightful worry of the State taking the students from them and drying up their source of money.

So lets check up on Kaisara, how her education goes and if perhaps she shared news about her schooling with others. Also inquire how many of our employed mages at research outpost have apprentices or otherwise provide education. Then see if we can get it organized. For one it gets us something more to negotiate with. For another it implies we knew about that and let it rest but the Mortal Coil's recent behavior moved us to action.

If it comes to a fight with the Mortal Coil, we cannot fight it with might. Instead we will have to take the bread out of their mouth by taking their students and replacing them. Lenryt probably would tolerate this kind of fight, since we can offer her a similar management position in our replacement organization.

On Council business, it may be time to start a review of the research outposts. You know, get the status of current research projects, material resources, including library contents, human resources and unfilled needs.

Another Council business, the State's foreign and counter intelligence services. IIRC they don't exist as such yet. Create them.
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No. 311876 ID: f0e3ae

>>311822
>Tap other markets
>Ask lenryt
Great ideas, lets do both.
Also... the cribbing research idea... lets actually try more seriously to gain political power in the mortal coil. Our aim should be to become an archmage of the mortal coil to fill the empty seat of the second one that lenryt killed, as well as becoming allies of at least enough of the other archmages to have a majority.
This will work in our favor when we expand the mortal coil to the LoD as per lenryt's contract. And we could further do small favors for her by casting our vote her way... plus being that the mortal coil is the most powerful mage guild this side of the world...
Heck, maybe we could ease up restrictions on "non evil" soul magic, and so on (much harder to prove someone is using soul magic for human sacrifice type rituals then it is to prove that he simply uses soul magic).
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No. 311944 ID: 692cff

>>311876
The Mortal Coil, to my knowledge, aren't the ones who ban Soul Magic. It's individual places, and threat of War keeps the ban in place. Also, we've got access to Mortal Coil libraries just as a Master Mage. So we've got little reason to join a group and have to follow their rules. Especially one as nosy as the Mortal Coil seems to be. We don't want to be an Archmage, we want to have enough individual clout that they don't matter to us anymore.

Also, since we have access to their libraries, let's go ahead and read all their books, improve those we can, and then publish them all for cheap. Teach them a lesson about trade-blocking us.
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No. 311952 ID: 0d095c

>>311944
Right, let's go talk to the Mortal Coil and have our minions observe their libraries. However, we really shouldn't publish their secrets on the cheap. There is a line between bloodying their nose and causing a cataclysmic magical war that lays waste to the entire damn hemisphere. Let's just yell at them first, THEN kick their ass.
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No. 311970 ID: 81f32a

>>311952
Mordre has access to the library, not his underlings.
Besides, due to his nature, Mordre can remember EVERYTHING with perfect clarity, so he could read all the books and replicate them. Even if his minions get access, they cannot do the same.

>>311944
Second.
And then we pull a trollface
"Problem Coil?"

We should start a research into printing press too.
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No. 311981 ID: 234c26

>>311944
>Also, since we have access to their libraries, let's go ahead and read all their books, improve those we can, and then publish them all for cheap. Teach them a lesson about trade-blocking us.
I'm not sure that's a good idea- it's a serious escalation of the situation. Publishing all the Mortal Coil's works would be an aggressive attack against the very base of their power, and they would be forced to act against us with everything at their disposal. Powerful though we are, I don't know that we can take them in a straight-up fight right now.
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No. 311984 ID: 692cff

>>311981
That's we start with just one series of books. Let them know we can play this game too.
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No. 311990 ID: c2d0f1

>>311690
I agree with looking for other continents.

I have a refinement to this plan though. Burduko should take some of your Eye-spawn with you, teleport into orbit, and then teleport around drop off eye spawn above clear spots that aren't covered in storms.
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No. 312060 ID: 7c29f8

>>311944
And down voting any other 'mess with the Coil' suggestions too. Look, that's just being pointless. They sent out a warning regarding us, making us appear as a threat is just gonna have The State turned into the same Cursed Lands as Mosmordre. We don't do this.

What we should do is talk to the nations that have stopped trading with us and simply ask what warnings were they told. Because, remember, even if they say they've been told by the Coil, this could be a false flag operation run by one of the Planet Eaters, the Time King, or Lubu's Enemies.

That is why I suggest doing >>311718 first before we look into other markets. Ask the Coil and Lenryt what just happened, and then talk with them before we go jumping to conclusions. If it's because we haven't come to their call yet, tell them that we are trying to run an empire at the moment and we would have come to them the first moment we had, and sending an angry massager to our door was not the best way to ask 'are you ready yet'.
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No. 312064 ID: 259738

>>311981
Instead of immediately publishing all their secrets, we could just hold the threat of doing so over their head. They aren't exactly playing nice at this point.
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No. 312072 ID: 0d095c

Or we could just find out what that little bugger who barged into our meeting some time ago wanted. This situation might have something to do with the fact that we teleported their supposedly "official" envoy several hundred miles away after refusing to hear him. Not that it wasn't totally worth it. Oh, and let's NOT try and blackmail the collective of amoral wizards. That will NOT end well.
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No. 312693 ID: 007246

On other council business, how is taxation currently going? I have the suspicion we are all over the place in taxation. THe old State controlled lands are under the State system. The personal fiefs, like around our or Kierson's research outposts, likely have each their own tax system. We should strive for some normalization in all of the State. That prevents internal strive caused by big regional differences.

Another issue is education. With trade we are currently working toward our Empire goal by making others prefer and later rely and depend on our trade system for their supply. We should try the same with education, and not just magical education either. Make the State the general brain trust, where others send their young bright and talented to learn a trade. If implemented properly they will go with a first class education and an impression how wonderful, advanced and good the State is.
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No. 314932 ID: a76809

>>311615
"Perhaps it is time to inform the Mortal Coil how... displeased we are with their actions."
>[Dregas]"So... do you want me to draft a return letter stating-"
>>311629
"Hah. So, the Mortal Coil wants our attention so badly they would resort to trade embargo? Surprising; not how I thought they would move at all. That's a move I might have expected of Castilliathen."
>[Dregas]"Respectfully, while a mage collective they still monopolize the supply of Arcane texts and reagents-they are every bit a trading empire as they are a mage collective."
"Hm. Perhaps I am too used to thinking of things in magical terms."
>[Dregas]"That... is your perogative, is it not?"
"Perhaps-but it changes nothing about the situation. This action of theirs is irritating-and economically troubling until we move further afield in search of business partners. Still, our particular brand of trading means it is far harder to stifle us; long-range trading is still as swift as trading with the next country over."
>[Carkiano]"What, you're not gonna confront them about this?"
>[Dregas]"Actually, this may be the wisest move-as far as I can tell, the Mortal Coil still is not fully aware of how.. versatile our trading is-and I know they are unaware of our acquisitions in the Mahnlea mountains. Refusing to confront them could allow us to quietly strangle them economically."

"A thought I share. Actually, this does provide the impetus for expanding our economic grasp, something I've been hesitating to do with the easier trading contacts close at hand. "
>[Eisenhardt]"Are you sure this is wise? They are largely a bunch of twats, I do not deny this-but some of their number..."
"I am quite aware. ...I am curious, though. Dregas, see what 'warning' the Mortal Coil is offering about us, would you? I'll see if I can get in touch with the various people I know within the Coil itself."
>[Dregas]"As it happens, I have a copy of one of their requests-though before I read it, I will note that the individual I got it from believed they sent personalized letters to each trader. ...Ahem: Factor Manigam, the Mortal Coil writes you to hope all is well, and that one of our preferred traders is still having acceptable business. We also enquire as to whether you have gotten entangled with the trouble begalling the Azelhaedran State-we fear it's new ruler too turbulent for safe trading... past there it goes into references to past deals that, per my agreement with the trader that provided it, I will omit for his privacy."
>[Carkiano]"Well that's a load of bull-not even telling people outright to not trade, but doing it all squirrelly like that?"
>[Eisenhardt]"Say hello to the official face of the Mortal Coil-why do you think I left?"
>>311652
"Is there any indication of which of the Grand Elder Mages supported this?"
>[Dregas]"Not in the letter, no."
"Eisenhardt?"
>[Eisenhardt]"Best guess? Probably Tiluwatt the Sculpter-he doesn't like ANY new possessors of power, political, magical or otherwise-and Erinythis The Puppeteer-she usually votes the same way as Tiluwatt, when it comes to matters that are external to the Mortal Coil's structure. Beyond that... I couldn't begin to fathom how Lenryt would vote-nor Deregoro The Aged. ...As to the fifth member-I must admit I do not know who they are, and could not comment."
>>311690
"I see. Dregas-presuming we do expand towards other, more distant trading partners-the Gialgorran Isles, Desparda, the Land of Dragons-what will be the end result to us, from a financial point?"
>[Dregas]"Hard to say-I do not have anywhere near the full capacity of trade going with any of those nations, so at best I could offer you a largely unfounded guess."
"An estimation then-I will not hold you to it."
>[Dregas]"...Probably a thirty percent hit to net income for a month until I have fully adapted our trade to work around the embargo."
Thirty percent... not enough to destroy our ability to rebuild and grow-but nevertheless a heavy hit.
>>311717
"Hm. Send word to all those with existing contracts that we will need an EXCELLENT reason why they would try and renege on established agreements-the merchants this does not apply to need not be bothered, as they themselves are not responsible for this."
I start having the Soul Eden vocalize, at a decible below any audible to human ears: 'Lenryt, I wish to speak with you on official matters-it will not take overly long' over and over, presuming the Planet Eater to be fully capable of percieving the utterances-and move on.

Or try to-until I note a ripple in the air, a spasm of color made solid, scintillating in the air-that resolves into Lenryt, this time seated on an austere chair wrought of solid gold, relying on its substance not decoration to convey it's quality. With my past experience with her, it is easy enough to see past the disguise as she makes her body move, lips and vocal chords at work despite her lack of need for such.

>[Lenryt]"You seem to have something to say to me."
"I do-I am curious if you could assist me in arranging a formal meeting with the Grand Elder mages that chose to support this move? I fear if I request it myself..."
>[Lenryt]"As you suspect, you would be rebuffed."
And as you may have surmised, despite my personal capabilities, I do not have as much political power as I would like-hence why I tasked you with the duties to the south. Concerning which-you may wish to make time to visit Lubu once more.
I give no sign I got her mental telegraph and continue with our verbalized conversation.
"Would you be willing to ask them?"
>[Lenryt]"I will ask-as we are a board of equals, I can make no promises they will accede."
It took the deaths of two of their number, but they are finally grasping how to resist me in such a fashion it would be more inconvenient to force them than to accept their resistance. I truly can do no more than ask, lest I risk unraveling the Mortal Coil itself-and as entertaining as you are-you are not yet worth such.
...Yet?
>>311822
I glance at Arkus.
"Were documents detailing aspects of remote Golem Control provided in the form of a thesis-would that help entice them to meet? They have hounded me for such."
>[Lenryt]"It could at that-I will bring your request to them."
Until Arkus can be more adept at hiding his... irregular magical capacities, I would not recommend he go anywhere near the Mortal Coil-nor should Kyorto, for similar reasons. Eisenhardt is a persona non gratis amongst our ranks thanks to how he and Weinsho left-so that means you must bring the documents to them yourself, if you wish to travel this path.
>[Lenryt]"Please do so."
Without another word, Lenryt vanishes-and the rest of the room lets out the breath they had been holding-even Eisenhardt was sweating. ...What would it take for me to be regarded that highly, I wonder...
>>311855
"...Arkus-your apprentice-has she made mention of her tutelage to anyone?"
>[Arkus]"...Sorry?"
"Has she spoken to anyone about the arcane training she can recieve here-possibly comparing it to that available from the Mortal Coil?"
>[Arkus]"..Ah. No, she has not, as I have kept her as busy as... well, me."
>[Eisenhardt]"She won't be talking to anyone soon, then."

From there, the conversation drifts back to more 'normal' topics-the dropping crime rate, the continued improvement to the state's livining conditions, and ever more people coming in the hopes of learning magic-precious few of them already learned in the subject. The meeting is ended shortly thereafter-

And two minutes out of the council room, I am gifted with a response.

As was expected, a formal meeting was declined-but Erinthys and Deregoro both are willing to speak with you privately, and discuss whether an informal solution to this can be found. Personally, I would recommend speaking with Erinthys, as swaying her could lead to Tiluwatt likewise siding with you. Deregoro, however, was willing to meet BEFORE I mentioned your willingness to discuss publication of findings. Both parties are ready to meet right now, and I can take you to either-be aware that you will only be able to bring your faux-body-there is but one Soul Grave allowed to enter the Mortal Coil's Central holdings, and yours is not that one. Your response to this?

This is why I like working with Lenryt-secretive as she can be, she gets things done.






What is my response?
What kind of direction should negotiations go in, whoever I meet with?
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No. 314936 ID: 5b95eb

Well, it's not a soul grave anymore, for starters.

I'm somewhat wary of meeting them in "person". They're big mages after all, what if they see through the fake body?

Eh, I guess we could just write it off as a security measure.
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No. 314987 ID: e87303

soul grave? as far i know, our only soul grave was stolen
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No. 314991 ID: 835a2d

>>314987
Our Eden-hood is not exactly public or easily discerned knowledge. Precious few people are experts in Soul Graves.

We could have the meeting in person, and explain away any strangeness of our body away as personal modification towards closeness with the golem and personal reasons - anyone who asks beyond that would be overstepping bounds.

Personally, I think you should meet with Erinthys. Ask Bobobo about her before going - really, en route (and we should take a slow route if possible) ask him about the names you've learned.

Remember: Knowledge is power! The more you know, the better.

As for Lubu, we should head over there FIRST THING after things are settled at the meeting.

Also, is there any way you could empower your 'normal body' with Heroic souls from the Eden? Look into this.
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No. 314994 ID: a76809

>>314987
[Just because it is not technically a Soul Grave anymore does not mean the Mortal Coil would let you bring it-that was what she was trying to convey by calling it such.]
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No. 314996 ID: f8aa66

Ah, Lenryt. Such a good friend to have.

>>314936
That would only further our reputation of skill with this power, that we can remotely control not just our golem, but a life golem left intentionally empty for us.


I wonder if that Soul Grave so allowed is the Caemlo Repository, or Lenryt's. No matter.

Anyway, this is intriguing. If we win over Erinthys, her ally comes with her, forcing a tie (I'm under the impression there are six seats currently filled in the MC, but I may be mistaken there; six isn't a very good number for a ruling council). But Deregoro sounds more likely to become a true ally.

So of course, we must meet each individually, preferrably without the other knowing.

In the Erinthys meeting, try to come off as that glove of diplomacy wrapped around a hand of steel. Be polite, but ensure that she understands that we are a very poor enemy to make; we are still accumulating power and allies at a swift rate and if necessary, we could - in time - provide an alternative to the Mortal Coil. Their latest move was slipshod, heavy-handed. It puts us in a reactionary frame of mind, and the State is not without its resources.

The trick, I think, is to give her incentives; making us an enemy will not accomplish the MC's ambitions. If we were truly allied with the Mortal Coil, we could send our more adventurous sorcerous students (the ones who do not wish to remain in the State all their lives) on to the MC, and in return we have a fair amount of sovereign land in which to conduct experiments. Both could benefit if one chooses to meet the other halfway.

In fact, to cement this alliance, we might try to plant the idea of our becoming that seventh Archmage seat, if Erinthys and her ally think we'd be on their side. It seems to me that their Archmages have a wide degree of autonomy, while still reaping benefits of the support network.

For Deregoro, be more friendly. Judging by his name, I imagine him to be a part of the 'old boys club'; play up our own similar breadth of experiences, play up our personal power and connections (not Lenryt, perhaps, see below) and our economic clout, but downplay our military might. Paint Erinthys and her ally as reactionary and short-sighted. Young'uns today, and all that. Ask him what we need to do to resolve this without meaningless loss to both sides.

In both cases, do not mention Lenryt at all if you can help it. If we can get Deregoro and the other two individually on our side, Lenryt wouldn't even need to push our case, meaning we can hide the extent of our own alliance until we can sweep the entire board.
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No. 315001 ID: d4f98d

Given her title of Puppeteer, it seems pretty obvious what her motivation is here. The ability to puppet golems or such at distance has got to set her to salivating.

Deregoro, on the other hand, is a puzzle.

I would accept both invitations, personally, with a preference towards Deregoro.
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No. 315010 ID: 81f32a

Eh
Not going with my suggestion to discover new continent?

I still stand by it. Mordre doesn't even need to give his personal attention for it.
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No. 315049 ID: 0d095c

I'd recommend using your Huge Soul Eden body, as you should rightly be paranoid against such a dangerous and already-shown-to-be-treacherous organization such as the Mortal Coil.

There is also the potential that your wizard body may be uncovered as a bot if you use it there. You said yourself, you don't even use aeromancy to fly, you just run absurd amounts of magic through it to levitate, in such a way as to explode normal wizards.
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No. 315922 ID: cd63e9

no, that would be like showing up to a meeting with a head of state holding a heavy machine gun. lets use the small human body. though we might want to take care to try and hide its nature.
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No. 316061 ID: b1f0e2

ok, so they do not allow your "soul grade" into their holdings and they agreed to meet. But they didn't specify that they want to meet in their office in the mortal coil itself.

So meet them in a "private location" that ISN'T in the mortal coil itself. Build a hovering platform of stone, place nice furnishings and finger food on it. Teleport it into the air somewhere scenic and use soulgrave to hold it aloft. Put it outside your state, perhaps somewhere far away, offer your aid in teleporting there (or lenryt's aid) if they are unable to get there themselves. Phrase it like "I am sure a mage of your caliber would have no trouble in accessing said meeting place, but if you need assistance either me or lenryt can teleport you there".

Oh, do consult with lenryt and those amongst your advisors who know them (ex: eisenheardt), ask if said archmages would be offended by any of the above and modify as needed.
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No. 316246 ID: 059fc4

>>316061
we are not going into a fight, if it looks too much like were expecting one we may get it and these guys could probably kill or criple us whit or without the soul eden. so general downvote to anything other than "meet at a neutral location"
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No. 316274 ID: ea9fbf

I strongly doubt we get to choose the place of the meetings if we take Lenryt up on meeting them now. The Grand Elder Mages probably have trust issues just like we have. I am also reasonably sure we will be safe with our little body. We can still channel more magic than any natural body and AFAIK we can switch between bodies without problem.

>>314996
I think Deregoro has the byname 'the Aged' more because he is really old. He may be one of those immortality seekers you get every so often. He may see a kindred spirit, maybe even a successful fellow seeker. Remember Harmonious Discord is mostly people who some way or other managed to end up discorporated and taking over a golem body. They are keeping quiet, but there should be rumors about the possibility.
Mordre's supposed remote control could look like a cover for a another fellow who cheated death.
Alternatively he could know something about the history of Soul Grave we occupy and wants to talk to us in regard to it.

I prefer meeting with Erinthys first because we have a better handle on her motivation from her byname and the favorable reaction to offering our findings.
Send a message to Deregoro if he's willing to wait till after our meet with Erinthys or if he prefers to set up a new meeting time.

>What kind of direction should negotiations go in, whoever I meet with?
I support Mordre working toward taking a council seat from >>314996.
Make clear you are disturbed by, and annoyed with, their lack of manners and generally discourteous conduct toward your person, with Lenryt being the exception.
A necessity is lifting the trade embargo. I would be willing to offer either a first offer option for the Mortal Coil or mutual discounts, as Azelhadren charges the MC less for transport and the MC charges less for reagents.
I'd allow a Mortal Coil academy in the capital, but they have to keep out of the research outposts.
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No. 316719 ID: afbcca

"It it times like this I wish I had favored your presence in my mind over the intrusion of others. I thank you humbly for your assistance Lenyrt and I will make the crafting of Yeti hats a singular goal for you. Mhm, should speak with Lorgk about that. However, to my response. I will meet with Erinthys by myself as, ahem, myself. As for Deregoro forgiveness on my part for appearing later, if I can still speak with him." Now, get ready to leave. Craft a small puppet out of wood or, if that's a bit too hard, quickly buy one. Then, to negations.

>What kind of direction should negotiations go in, whoever I meet with?
Restrained ham.
Apologetic but aloof about that lad who barged into your meeting: "By the way, what did that Tractomantic ruffian want, anyway? I was right in the middle of a meeting, and not even an ounce of courtesy! I'm quite sure if a proper mage came to me, but kids today with their tractomancy and their disrespect for their elders and their loud music and their hair styles, and their clothing, and their pierced I don't know what and they're oh soul magic is a curse and their fancy pancy 'oh, look at me, I'm so powerful'...wait, where was I?"
Continued Trading.
Attempt to actually find out what our honorary rank means, and actually start using it.
Socialize and attempt to make friends as best we can.
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No. 317933 ID: c6ce12

>>314936
>>314987
>>315049
>>316061
No to bringing the Soul Eden in any fashion. This is something we were explicitly told not to do and trying to question or manipulate the wording of the order doesn't sound like a smart idea considering who issued it.
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No. 317937 ID: 92877e

I'm still not convinced that we should play ball with them.

Would be better to economically strangle them. Develop new markets or find new ones entirely (new continents).
The cat-thief (forgot her name) working for us, has traveled between continents and could help us with choosing the right one.
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No. 318027 ID: 259738

>>317937
The problem with that is that all of the people holding a seat could most likely turn us to vapor even if we brought the Soul Eden with us. We have to play ball with the Mortal Coil for now. Economically strangling them will piss them off, and pissing off legendary mages is not a great plan as of now.
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No. 318107 ID: b39de8

I dunno, something about Deregoro strikes me as odd. To be called 'the Aged' at his rank seems kind of generic if it;s just his age. After all, lots of mages spend years and years to learn the arts. I may be wrong,but I think our buddy Deregoro may have dabbled in Chronomancy or some really dangerous stuff. Perhaps, magic strong enough to cause him to prematurely age?

Still, I say we go with him first. He's wanted to see us for reasons unrelated to the thesis. There is a good chance he can be a very good ally even when we have to face the Mortal Coil.

As for trying to trick them? In terms of the mercantile and governing business, they have a lot more experience when it comes to playing the political game and since with someone with the nick name "puppet master" being one of the top dogs, it would likely be wise to keep our swords sheathed until we either have the skill and power to deal with them outright, or a strong enough hold to deal with the more dangerous elements.

We know already that names have power and 'Puppet Master' sounds like one big red flag when it comes to making friends. Both in terms of her specialty, and what she likely does with the mortal coil. We don't want another Jak.
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No. 318905 ID: 36b8bc

>>317937

Aside from >>318027, actually strangling them will get other enemies with available resources, like the King Arcturo Fissykus, to pick up the pieces they like and let the rest fall by the wayside.
As it is the Mortal Coil has its own interests and anyone wanting to use the MC has to work with their interests. Short to medium term it is to Mordre's advantage if the MC remains independent and largely unchanged.

Long term Mordre should want to take over and absorb the MC into his empire. My suggestions toward economic threatening the Mortal Coil are more to show just like they can make life difficult for Mordre, Mordre can make life difficult for the MC and there is more advantage to be had by being on good terms with Mordre.

>>318107
I don't think anyone proposed making friends of Erynthis. It's more that we have a better grasp of her than of Deregoro since we only have his byname.

Well, lets ask Bobobo for a quick overview of Erynthis and Deregoro. Things like first appearances, where they originate from, major publications and research fields, how they got and how long they hold their Council seat.
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No. 319295 ID: 252e1b

>>318107

There could be another Deregoro. Maybe there's Deregoro The Aged and Deregoro the Younger. Two different people, both with the same first or surname (or even the same complete name, they could be relatives).
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No. 319654 ID: 059fc4

>>319295
in that case its younger or elder. aged does not fit.
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No. 319965 ID: 1be251

Eh, not really against any of the plans so far, but I'd like to downvote any attempts at joining the council or becoming an actual member of the Mortal Coil. I just don't think joining someone else's club and having to play by their rules is something he should restrict himself to.
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No. 319967 ID: 0d095c

Yeah, let's not join em. Look at how much Lenryt got screwed over. She's powerful enough to EAT the planet, and yet she has to work through the bureaucracy and send out random champions to bitchslap the world into shape. We should still MEET with them, though.
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No. 321341 ID: 561777

Regardless of our intent towards joining the Mortal Coil as a full-fledged member, which I should note is not really relevant at the moment, we should go ahead with both meetings with the following as our goals:

1. End the "advice" to our business partners
2. Gain additional allies among the Mortal Coil

Focus on the first goal with Erynthis, since she's obviously a first-class manipulator, and having her on our side for that might well sway the rest of them. For Deregoro, though, given his seeming interest in us, it might be more worth it for us to pursue a more personal association between the two of us - whether that is a friendship, strategic alliance, or otherwise. On the other hand his name suggests he is an Immortal of some kind, so he has a wealth of experience and knowledge and, while we may gain something from that, we should be wary that he might suspect we are Anathema.
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No. 321949 ID: e265e1

Yeah,may have been a bit too hasty saying that one part, and I apologize. Though, I may have an idea that could help us with various rolls at the cost of a deep spawn core and maybe a PS.

(Blank) Embodies the concept of Moving Images in the form of Orbs and Illusions.

If done right with the proper restrictions, we would basically have our own TV network among other thing. For example: Use Orbs as a sort of deep spawn camera and have the image beamed in front of the watcher in a sort of hologram using a connection similar to Phohn. Maybe having a restriction that to see the image, you need a properly tuned crystal(with better gems giving a better picture and size perhaps)to the appropriate orb.

Aside from giving us visuals of battle fields and such, we can use them for conference calls, better surveillance(security cams or even scouts), means to preform extremely long range strikes without needing a marker, and best of all, as a way to gain a shit ton of faith.

I mean, imagine all of Mordre's followers WATCHING him fight for them. Hearing it second hand is one thing, but seeing our soul eden leader kicking ass and taking names will be another thing entirely.

While I am not sure I did my best with this, I hope this concept seems reasonable. Afterall, the sound of Mordre TV sounds too good to squander.
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No. 324636 ID: 3b092a

uh, is this thread still being used?
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No. 324667 ID: d4f98d

Hiatus while Gun for Hire runs a bit. Will update again afterwards probably.
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