>>TGChan is concise, catchy, and actually gives better information as to what the site's actually about.
Please report to the moderators any posts you see that make you think "chan" gives good information about what this site is actually about.

>>130195
Reporting every message made on a chan-formatted board would be reporting abuse.

Rage about the current political invasion of other sites aside, TGChan implies that it's a thread-based message board (chan) where people talk about and/or play tabletop games. When people think "tabletop games", they're reminded of roleplaying games, which are pretty close to what quest threads actually are. That's why we got started on /tg/ in the first place, and in all likelihood it's also the reason why many of the site's oldest and most popular quests/authors started there before coming here. A significant portion of our quests take place in distinctly tabletop RPG-esque fantasy adventure settings, and many of them have game mechanics much like those you'd find in a roleplaying game, a board game, or a miniature wargame. For that matter, some quests are literally people playing out a tabletop game on our message board.

If people come here looking for a message board that's about tabletop games, that's what they'll find.

On a related note, the whole reason this site was created in the first place is as a branch of /tg/, because of the moderation problems which were happening on /tg/ at the time, namely the removal of quest threads. Even now, there's no small amount of crossposters on both boards (presumably, the reason they're on /tg/ isn't for things that don't belong on /tg/) and we still have the -chan board format because it works for us.

But that's all way, way far back in the conversation. The main reason people object to the name isn't that it mentions tabletop games, it's that people think it's scaring off other users. I still maintain that the answer is to let those people use an alternate name to see if it helps.
Maybe there will be a mass influx of new users like people are hoping.
Maybe people will decide to use the alternate name because they prefer it that way.
Maybe the people who give us a chance because of the alternate name will switch to our original name, because they like it better this way.
Maybe the "chan" situation will continue to cool down until our original name doesn't frighten people anymore.
Maybe both names will become popular.
Maybe the alternate name will be less popular.
Maybe the alternate site won't work and people with problems will have another URL as a convenient backup.
Maybe something good will happen. Maybe something bad will happen. The best way to be certain is to give it a try and see.

There's one thing I am pretty certain about, though. Discussion about choosing an alternate name will be much less heated and much less worrying for everyone involved if they know it's not the only name they're going to get.

>>130196
You being very heated and worried doesn't really make other people those things. I don't have worries about the rename because I know it's going to be renamed and I'm fine with any of the front-runner options that ends up being chosen by the administration.

Chan sites being as bad as they are now is relatively new, but that's also a rather impressive thing because they were already cesspits. History lessons aren't needed, I was following Weaver's Boxdog threads in 2007, I was in #rubyquest while it was running, I was here day 1 of tgchan.
4chan was garbage then, it's just more garbage now. Even back in 2010 when people on tgchan were still slinging slurs and generally being degenerates (including me! I did that!) there was significant concern about the chan in the name giving people the wrong idea because of how bad other chan sites were, and was part of why so many people wanted the name changed then.

This alternate name thing you keep pushing is what already happened in 2010. It's not a new idea, it's what the site already tried out. It was wack.

The old and popular quest authors and artists of tgchan you keep talking about overwhelmingly want the name changed (as far as I've seen it's just been slowpoke that wanted tgchan still and he was also in favor of talehole.) Even widening it out to all of tgchan, people wanting the name to stay the same are in the minority.

You really shouldn't be talking for other people Lawyerdog. The way you are talking has angry Reddit argument all over it.

>>130199
Nah, I'm with LD here, the only thing -chan about this site is that it's an image board. Everything else about -chan is kinda shitty and not what this site is.

What does angry Reddit argument even mean anyway?

>>130199
LD is saying this because he's seen the overwhelming majority of authors and anons speak out/vote for the name change. I can confirm what he's said about popular opinion.

>>130199
Except he isnt speaking for other people hes literally speaking from his own experiences as an early member of the site. What exactly about that makes it a “reddit argument”? I dont know why people are trying to give LD a history lesson on the site since hes been here day one.

I'd also like everyone to look at the opposite side of this: What are the kinds of people that come here wanting it to be a 4chan like site?!

>>130203
People who looked before they leapt and saw 4chan isn't all one big /pol/ board. People who liked the /qst/ format but wished there were a few more image quests, and/or furries.

>>130203
Because not everyone who uses 4chan is /pol/ as another user mentioned? There's tons of other boards people tend to use.. Including /tg/

>>130205
true not everyone who uses 4chan is a horrible person, but by and large the community its know for is, so why shouldn't we move away from that association.

Yo, coming out of hiding to say I think the name change isn't likely to fix anything.
Not even the spam, as the spam is likely tracking format if I had to guess.

Tgchan's running off a decades-old chan framework that hasn't seen a major update outside of new boards and add-on features so it's easy to find the main board. That's probably why it all ends up on /meep/.

Tgchan would need to reformat as a whole in order to start drawing new users again. You can change the coat of paint on our nice little chan board here, but it's still just gonna be a chan board at the end of the day with all the problems that entails.

There was that one spinoff site that one guy was working on and that was promising, but without our history backing it it wasn't able to compete really. Which sucked, it had some nice ideas like the ability to seperate out suggestions and comments from each other or only reading update posts.

The website itself needs a remake. Nothing short of this will ever really salvage the dying community here, at best it'll just continue to get a drip feed of the occasional wanderer drawn here by Weaver's old works or furries drawn in by popular posters on the site keeping it on life support.

Frankly, I think it's a bit silly that it's so controversial though. Hire some code monkey to make a bot to change up site links or migrate stuff if it's that big a worry, there's no shortage of people willing to do quick programming projects for cash these days.

Hell, see if you can tap Mozai to do it, he already did the one migration tool we just need something scaled up from that.

>>130208
While I agree that an update to the site design would be rad and probably go a long way towards getting new people to stick around, Youve been here about as long as I have and you know how slow change can be here. Shit, as LD said, this is something thats been discussed since 2010. I dont expect a major site overhaul anytime soon.

I still think the best way to get new people to come here is to change the name. The only way for people to find the site is, as you said, either through like a weaver deep dive, or if they get linked here from somewhere else. In the past most of the creators here were active on 4chan, so yeah it made sense that there was a constant influx of new 4chan people. But as this thread has shown, most of the creators here dont want to be associated with 4chan or chan culture. Thats why most of the new members come from authors posting links on their twitter/tumblr/fa or whatever. I tried posting stuff in /trash/ for a while and I met some very cool, very nice people that im still friends with. But Im not posting my shit anywhere on that site again, and I dont want to be associated with it. Even my brief time there, in some of the chillest, friendliest threads on the site, left me uncomfortable with the way the culture works and what is normal there. As LD has mentioned, 4chan has changed, and the fact that its gotten worse means that its no surprise that people dont want to associate with anything chan related.

he bottom line is: If we stop calling ourselves a chan site, authors arent going to have to worry as much about being lumped in with chan culture. so, with any luck, they're gonna be more open about linking to the site.

Like, yeah no shit changing the name isnt going to overnight magically turn the site into a not-chan site. But its a good start towards representing ourselves as a place that people might actually want to hang out in.

If the main impetus for a name-change is to avoid 'scaring off' newbies, then they does not really need a wholesale domain replacement. The thatquestsite.org redirect is already available, and could be shifted to a duplicate homepage with "tgchan" in the grand total of two places it is visible swapped for "thatquestsite".
Keep the boards on the tgchan domain, as the boards themselves do not have tgchan written on them anywhere, and that avoid the decade-of-broken-links issue, and by the time someone has already visited the site and not immediately noped out of there they are unlikely to do so due to the URL (as the intersection of "people who would avoid a *chan board due to the name but not the format" and "people who actually monitor the URL nowadays" likely has a vanishingly small population).

tl;dr Use existing domain setup, but shift the thatquestsite.org redirect from that tgchan homepage to a thatquestsite homepage. If you want to send links to scared newbies, use the existing thatquestsite.org links.

>>130211
So you're saying we should change the name everywhere BUT the url?
Why?

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>>130099

I'm always surprised at how adverse some people are to change, no matter how small. I guess that's what age does to ya.

>>130216
any change is either not enough or too much so we should never try anything at all

>>Because not everyone who uses 4chan is /pol/ as another user mentioned? There's tons of other boards people tend to use.. Including /tg/
Even the "good" boards on 4chan like /tg/ are full of slurs and racism. Some other common blue board stuff is rampant pedophilia and idolizing serial killers, so that's cool for people to associate us with. (it's actually not cool. stop going to 4chan.)

>>130208
Tgchan is not dying, but people want it to grow. A name change is a simple thing that can help.

https://www.strawpoll.me/18347182

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>>130222
Put an option for 5chan.

>>130222
these all suck.

>>130225

Your face sucks.

>>130197
The point isn't whether "chan" should automatically bring to mind the worst invaders from the worst board on 4chan. It hasn't meant that for the ten years we've had it, but again, that's not the main point I'm trying to make at the moment.

My point is that there's a way to address people's worries without taking anyone away from anyone, and by all logic it will work.

>This alternate name thing you keep pushing is what already happened in 2010.
I'm pretty sure we discussed this over a hundred posts ago. Yes it existed, but people weren't using it to solve the problem it was specifically meant to solve. That's why they're complaining about problems caused by its absence rather than its presence.

That's why I propose that people use it to see if it helps. Then we'll know for sure. Like I said earlier (before it was buried by politics):

Maybe there will be a mass influx of new users like people are hoping.
Maybe people will decide to use the alternate name because they prefer it that way.
Maybe the people who give us a chance because of the alternate name will switch to our original name, because they like it better this way.
Maybe the "chan" situation will continue to cool down until our original name doesn't frighten people anymore.
Maybe both names will become popular.
Maybe the alternate name will be less popular.
Maybe the alternate site won't work and people with problems will have another URL as a convenient backup.
Maybe something good will happen. Maybe something bad will happen. The best way to be certain is to give it a try and see.

There's one thing I am pretty certain about, though. Discussion about choosing an alternate name will be much less heated and much less worrying for everyone involved if they know it's not the only name they're going to get.

>>130229
... I'm pretty sure most websites only have one name.

>>130229
putting yourself in bold qquotes doesn't make you any more right

you're still talking out your ass

>>130222
None of these are very good.

>>130225
>>130232
Yo, then suggest some names that don't suck. That is technically what this thread is about.

I don't have a problem with the more popular of the current options (and have already voted for questden) but if people are still unsatisfied how about the .ing names they are supposedly releasing this year? I don't know the logistics of getting one but quest.ing seems like a really cool name for a site focused on questing.

But what's really on my mind now is that I just realized something that might convince everybody once and for all to change the name (and is making me really look forward to it).

When tgchan started and for a long time there has always been a regretful under representation of cock. Sure there were some noble efforts and a few characters that were appreciated for their dicks (though primarily in fanart) but despite this we have always been in a state of dick famine. Now that over the years we have been getting further from our connection to 4chan and chan culture we have been getting a slow rise in the penis level of the site. As such we need to focus on not only retaining our current level of partial saturation but to grow it a healthy size.

>>130234
As such a name change will give us the rise we need.

>>130233
The top two results in the original poll are the names we already have. Those should work.

>>130214
The alternate URL is already in effect, you can visit every page on the site using thatquestsite.org rather than tgchan.org.
My suggestion is that, rather than perform a wholesale renaming of the site, add a duplicate homepage for those visiting via thatquestsite.org to also swap the two instances of the site name in the body text that actually occur. As far as anyone visitng from that URL is aware, that is the site name. As far as anyone else visiting for the last decade, everything remains BAU.
Keep tgchan.org as the authoritative domain to avoid breaking internal and external links.

Banish the URL and name TGchan to the shadow realm forever.

Not sure why anyone thinks I would break links.

Cookies I'll do my best to port.

What says .ing is coming soon? It seems to be stuck in place.

I wanted quest.app but someone took it just to make a 404 page...

And no, not going to do a weird rival-domain thing.

> >>130234 >quest.ing
questing.org is available
I also liked quests.dev

quest.online is also available but... it's $1080/year, so fuck that.

>>130242
What do you mean questing.org is...

oh, I guess I could give $99 to a squatter if people like it enough.

>>130243

I can help fund that if that's what we're doing!

Okay that's a nice url but would the site name be "Questing"?

A lack of a definitive one-source-of-truth single domain name that all others redirect to is terrible for SEO, and in this day and age, people find websites by search engines. A (sad?) truth.

I don't have anything else to add to this conversation that hasn't been said already.

I've recently had an epiphany. This is going to sound strange, but bear with me, please.

The name TGChan will actually help our website grow.

Odd, I know, given that people think we're having growth issues because of "the chan". But keep in mind that all "chan" means is that we're an image board. The negative stigma is mostly just stereotypes that unfairly associate us with trolls and various other unpleasant people who tend to drift around any site with lax moderation (and are generally disliked by the site's other users). With that said, let's look at how someone might react to learning about us.

Imagine you're talking with your friends online, or posting your art online and your fans are reading the descriptions, or the like. Presumably these people trust and respect you and your opinions, don't think you're a horrible person, and won't suddenly start thinking that because of vague stereotypes. While you're talking about art and stories you like, or mentioning art you made for another website, they see you mention TGChan. They might be interested. If they've heard certain rumors but are open-minded, they might think "I've heard bad things about those chan places but if my friend likes it then it can't be all bad, so maybe I'll check it out" and then find out that we don't do any of what they're afraid of. They might be surprised, and ask you "Why would you associate with a chan of all places?" because their prejudices don't match up with what they know about you. This last scenario is generally what people are understandably afraid of.

But here's the thing: even if they react negatively to the mere mention of our name, if they're asking about your reasons, they're receptive to an answer. It's an opportunity to tell them what our website is and what it's about, which will make it easy for them to overcome their prejudice and join us. And when they call attention to us, other users will also take notice of our description, which will help even more people learn about us.

Now, consider a different scenario. Word about us goes around a place that's already low on anti-chan bias, like, say, another image board. This gets the attention of people who use those sites because they like the image board format and/or that board's subject matter, and are less than impressed by the jerks who keep trying to derail perfectly good threads with trolling and edgy politics. They hear about a better chan where they can enjoy tabletop games/quest threads/fantasy worldbuilding/kobold porn without any of those jerks getting in the way of their conversation, and eagerly hop over. Then they go back where they came from and tell people about how much fun they had here and how we're a great place to discuss whatever it is they came here to discuss.

On the other hand, we might also get the attention of one of those jerks that the previous folks were trying to get away from. They'd come over here, ignorantly assuming that "chan" meant a safe haven for bad attitudes, then find out they were wrong and leave in disappointment. Or they might try to be edgy, get frustrated with the uniformly negative reaction, and then leave in disappointment. Then they'd go back where they came from and warn people about how much of a "social justice furry shithole" we are, and the people who already don't like them will translate that to "a chan site without these jerks" and consider that we might be a better option.

It all works out in our favor. Pepole hear of TGChan, they learn what we're about, our reputation grows, people understand us better, and we attract the kinds of people we want to attract.

>>130256
>Presumably these people trust and respect you and your opinions, don't think you're a horrible person, and won't suddenly start thinking that because of vague stereotypes.

That's an incorrect presumption. You're assuming that anyone who talks about us will only do so to people they're good friends with. If they're just doing the internet equivalent of chatting with people at a bar (and I'd say the majority of people a person talks to on the internet are just acquaintances who chat about mutual topics of interest), or tossing links to the wind under your art or whatever, then those people are much more likely to be dismissive, and may dismiss the person talking about us as well.

Essentially, it's embarrassing to be associated with other -chan sites, and it's something to be concerned about both as a person who wants to talk about their art and writing, and as a site in general.

As for the jerks, we don't want them here at all. They disruptive while we're here, there's no guarantee they'll leave without being forced, there are plenty of them who are subtler and can be a slow poison to a site, and there's always a chance that if one of them feels like enough of an asshole they'll go call their friends for a raid or start spreading false rumours about us or so on.

>>130256
You're right it does sound strange. I've had the "oh its an imageboard, it used to be part of 4chan, look its kind of wonky but its cool" conversation many times and the conversion rate is pretty low. most people are just like... eh I like your art so I will just follow you on fa and twitter because that's easier than associating with fuckin chan sites. Even people who have been huge fans of mine still tell me "i need to get around to reading your quests". This is a thing. I can tell you this firsthand as a person who has been pointing people towards the site for years. On the other hand, the itch.io mirrors to my stories get 1-2 new readers every day from just the pinned links on my pages and no effort on my part.

Honestly I think a site redesign would help a lot too, most of the people that do make the effort to stick around have a lot of questions about just how all this fuckery works. but a site rename would be a good start, not a magical fix-all, but like at least its something

130258
>As for the jerks, we don't want them here at all. They disruptive while we're here, there's no guarantee they'll leave without being forced, there are plenty of them who are subtler and can be a slow poison to a site, and there's always a chance that if one of them feels like enough of an asshole they'll go call their friends for a raid or start spreading false rumours about us or so on.

Hard agree. jerks like that dont just leave, they stick around and make trouble

>>130256
>Imagine you're talking with your friends online
Assumption #1: Assuming that everyone is your friend
>or your fans
Assumption #2: Or fans
>Presumably these people trust and respect you and your opinions
Assumption #3, #4, #5: Assuming people trust you, respect you and value your opinions
>won't suddenly start thinking that you're a horrible person
Assumption #6: That people's opinion of you won't change if they learn a new thing about you
>They might be interested.
Assumption #7: That people are interested
>If they've heard certain rumors but are open-minded
Assumption #8: That people are open-minded
>so maybe I'll check it out
Assumption #9: That they would check it out
etc.

Do you realize what you just did? You cherry-picked the most optimistic case, based on a ton of assumptions, wrapped it into a problem, sprinkled it with a few more logical fallacies, and then presented it as some sort of an epiphany. Is this a joke?

How about we turn your "logic" around?
If people see a chan-link and are not your friends, they simply won't click it.
If people see a chan-link and they don't trust you, then they won't click it.
If people see a chan-link and they don't respect you, then they won't click it.
If people see a chan-link and they're are not open-minded, then they won't click it.
etc.
They won't click it. They won't talk about it. They won't accept your explanation.

Stop being optimistic, and start being realistic.

>>130220
>Some other common blue board stuff is rampant pedophilia and idolizing serial killers
I only ever visit /tg/ and /vg/ and I have never seen either of these things.

>>130269
It's a problem of PERCEPTION, regardless of anything else. People believe these things. That's the problem.

LD and the others here wish to distance themselves from the origins of the board, and that's fine. I wouldn't call the hobby dead, but it does need a shot in the arm. A new name and relaunch would be a decent idea. Feeling more free to aggressively spread word makes it easier for QMs with audiences that care about that sort of thing. Let me make a few points:

>There's a /quest/ board on 4chan and /qu/ on 8chan.
The latter is FUCKING DEAD and the former is only a little higher pace than here. If you want to run on those sites, you can, and get the audience there that you might expect of such places, be that whatever it may be. Leading to my second point:

>Differentiating can only lead to positive results.
Essentially, by distancing from "problematic" places, we open the doors to more and more people. The only way to make the site even more broadly appealing would be to move all NSFW quests to another board behind an age gate and splitting the site into that (NSFW and SFW). And the name is just that: It's not like the site itself is changing, the name change simply reflects the will of the staff and many/most of the users and thus reflects the content better.

>We were always doing this.
TGChan's very birth was an attempt to make a Blackjack And Hookers so we could run our shit in peace without nazimod destroying everything. Quests were looked down on (and still are) for clogging the front page due to their naturally high activity and constant bumping. More than ten quests at a time on /tg/ and whoop, there goes the front page. Yes, there is a catalogue and yes, I'm pretty sure it's the default browsing style now, but even so. This site was born from a noted exodus from /tg/. Continuing in that direction isn't all that much of a shocker.

>>130271
>The only way to make the site even more broadly appealing would be to move all NSFW quests to another board behind an age gate and splitting the site into that (NSFW and SFW).
This is frankly the main reason I can't link the site to anyone, including people from chans. Having furry porn as a first impression is more of a bar to new people than being a chan, and the two of them together even more so.

The last time a NSFW-SFW split was suggested it was rejected due to it effectively splitting readership.
Look at the ITQ/BTE split to see what happens when you split off things like that.

Now, it is probably possible to introduce a "fake" board on the site that is just /quest/ but doesn't display NSFW threads. You could link to that, or browse that while in public or whatever purpose you want such a thing for.
On the other hand, there's still going to be porn one or two clicks away. This is gonna be a NSFW site overall, there's no getting away from that. Any new users are going to just have to accept that the site has porn.

>>130275
Its something thats been discussed in the past and kinda caused some panic and slippery slope arguments. As someone whos stuff is mostly NSFW, at this point im kind of ambivalent about it.

Not being able to share the site because of the lewdness is a legit concern; but I think the consensus was that tgchan is just considered fundamentally nsfw. I think there is probably a solution to that somewhere but would take a lot more discussion.

>>130210
I sure do, so I've made a new thread using my own chutzpah and ability to purchase things with adult money to circumvent tgchan's usual stagnation

>>130287
Looking back on that whole debacle that was the flimsiest "evidence" ever

we'd have more people using the website and we'd PROBABLY have the ability to actually make some ad revenue off shit if we weren't so gung-ho about frontloading dicks and tiddies on the front page without some kind of opt-in for that

NSFW content is a topic for another thread. We're discussing the name, folks. Stay focused!

This whole this has been very worrisome to me. It's difficult to express all my thoughts on the matter.

>>130258
>That's an incorrect presumption.
It's a shorthand for someone who respects you enough to potentially listen to website recommendations. It applies anyone who's willing to have a casual conversation, not just a person's closest friends.

>then those people are much more likely to be dismissive, and may dismiss the person talking about us as well.
Yes, it's possible that the mention of "the chan" will cause someone to suddenly hate the person they're talking to when they were holding a perfectly good conversation beforehand, and refuse to listen to anything you have to say that contradicts their preconceptions. That's certainly something that can happen, but if a stranger is prone to turning against people for something as small as the mention of a hobby, then it's no big loss if they don't come here.

>Essentially, it's embarrassing to be associated with other -chan sites
I get that some people are embarrassed to be associated with us, not because of anything we actually do but because of obnoxious things that happen on other chan sites due to people that those sites are also embarrassed to be associated with.

It's true. Most of the stuff people hate about 4chan is actually against the rules. It still happens because of the site's massive userbase and lax moderation, but it almost never happens without someone telling them off for their edgy bullshit. Most of the users are as unenthused about them as anyone else.

Back on topic. I understand that, as unfair and prejudiced as it is, people are having trouble convincing others to give us a chance and don't like associating with us because of our name, and I get that they want something to make us look better so that they can feel better about being seen in public with us. But those are external problems that happen on other sites. We shouldn't have to make a personal, internal change to our identity just to accomodate people who don't understand us, especially something as special as our name.

We've all heard how horrible "the chan" is, and how it's associated with the worst of all worsts and we should be ashamed of them. But TGChan doesn't mean any of those awful things. TGChan means us.

TGChan isn't just a set of letters. It's who we are. It's been who we are since the beginning. Its meaning is this site, the people who use it, and the things we've made here. We've made TGChan Radio. We've made TGChan Secret Santa. We've made the TGChan Caravan. We've even made TGChan Strip Poker. We've made hundreds, likely thousands of works of art as TGChan,

If we have to look back on all that, and be told "that's wrong now, we're not TGChan anymore and it was bad of us to be TGChan", then it would honestly be tragic. It would feel like we'd lost something important that we could never get back.

That's why I don't want TGChan taken away from us.

Changing the name doesn't erase tgchan's history.

Questden is lookin' pretty popular from the poll and what people have said. I can dig it.

>>130317

I'm down for it.

>>130316
bro this is a lot of overwrought emotionality where it’s not really necessary. you’re pulling assumptions abt other people’s motivations out of thin air when nobody here has expressed the Tragic Sentiments you’re complaining about. we’re not talking abt a name change bc we’re ashamed of ourselves or our content or bc we’re trying to distance ourselves from what we do here. we’re talking abt a name change bc we love this site and think that what we do here is really cool and we want to be able to grow what we do without being burdened by shit that doesn’t reflect on us. being realistic abt optics is not, like, plunging a dagger into the still-beating heart of tgchan

>>130339

Exactly. For the umpteenth time, we're not going away, we're distancing ourselves from a site that has become overrun with racists, bigots, and general assholes.

taking a quick break from wiping my daughter's ass to support a name change

>>130345
Yo brom weve missed you. I hope dad times are treating you well.
>>130316
4chan kicked us out like a decade ago and missed out on an amazing form of storytelling that the community here has been fostering. Fuck em. The name tgchan doesnt define us, the artists and writers and active members of the community are what define us. And most of them are saying its time for a change

>>130317
TGChan's history defines our name. That's why I'm so sad to see it go.

>>130339
I remember what you've been saying. I'm trying to explain why I feel the way I do; I realize you don't think of it as giving in to prejudice to appease the prejudiced, but that's still what it looks like to me. I think TGChan means us, our community, and every work of art we make here, but other people think "chan" means the evil people who are currently causing grief to the people on 4chan and making strangers hate us by association. I get why you have a problem with this.

What I don't get is why people want to make the "TG" part of our name go away too. I have no idea why associating us with tabletop games would be controversial. For one thing, they haven't been a target of prejudice since before our site was born, and for another, they're still a strong part of our site's identity. If no one's willing to budge on the issue of us losing our name, then we might as well use TGQuest as our new name; it's short, memorable, and gets the point of our site across at least as well as any other name could.

That aside... well, I realize that pretty much no one is going to care about what I'm about to say, but I don't want it to go unsaid.

The problem people are having is that outsiders refuse to give us a chance just because of our name (and possibly because of general internet apathy towards trying new things, but they blame the name).

If the problem is that they refuse to come here because of the name they see, then a redirect to TGChan would solve things just as effectively as a name change. The problem is that outsiders see a name they don't like and hate us unfairly, and the solution is that outsiders see a different name and don't judge us before seeing what we really are. We don't need to remind each other that we're "not like that", and if someone's interested enough to click a link to an unfamiliar website then they're already giving us a chance. Plus, it would avoid any confusion that could arise when people find references to "TGChan" on a website with a seemingly unrelated name.

>>129896
I like pretty much all of these more than the current leading contender.

questden sounds poopy and I dun like it.

>>130352

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

>>130348
Yeah dude I slept like 4 hours last night and there was a little piece of poop on my shirt this morning but the baby rules. Also I am here to claim credit for Talehole

Out of curiosity: for those who dislike linking to your work due to the name/URL, why is the existing thatquestsite.org URL insufficient?

For example, if you link to a board or thread directly using that URL (rather than to the homepage) right now, the word 'TGchan' does not ever appear in either the body or header. And if you visit https://thatquestsite.org/kusaba/ (rather than https://thatquestsite.org/ which straight redirects to tgchan.org) even the menu header uses thatquestsite, leaving a grand total of one string at the top of the homepage to swap out.

>>130375
Even if the issues of a rival URL are ignored, the wiki links tgchan and has tgchan in the top left, and is generally the best way to be giving out a link, especially if the quest has ITQs.

>>130376
Ah, I'd completely forgotten the wiki.

I have to say, "questden" makes me think of late 90s/early 00s web 1.0 sites where people posted their generic fantasy fiction and roleplayed talking animal characters and everyone on there was clearly a furry but were all so naive and innocent that they equally clearly had no clue that's what they were or even what a furry was, and the whole site would have some forest motif with crudely anti-aliased navigation buttons and maybe a pixelly picture of some mountains or the moon or something. And probably somewhere someone would have put a link to DMFA.

So, whoever originally came up with the name: you're responsible for my suffering.

Regular lurker since about 2009 here.

Jesus Christ, this is a level of idiocy I haven't seen in a while.

>ID: 972422

Are you legitimately austistic or just really, really stupid? Your posts sound unbelievably clueless, as if you're expecting the outside world to operate exactly as you imagine it in your head and can't fathom how or why it wouldn't be like that.

>But keep in mind that all "chan" means is that we're an image board. The negative stigma is mostly just stereotypes that unfairly associate us with trolls and various other unpleasant people who tend to drift around any site with lax moderation (and are generally disliked by the site's other users).
I've been on 4chan from 2006 to 2010 nearly every day and occasionally after that. Back in the day I thought every board turning into /b/ was the worst 4chan would get, but time proved me wrong.
Before /pol/ became the most popular board, 4chan and imageboards in general were commonly associated with no-holds-barred trolling, and if you had actually been to 4chan, that's fairly accurate for the popular boards. You needed serious troll resistance back in the day and you need far more today.

To claim that the reputation of imageboards is somehow undeserved, or that you're a "victim" of "prejudice" is pure bullshit. (It actually brings to mind the old "fursecution" meme.)

The imageboard format is the only thing connecting this site to 4chan and has been for a long time. Remember, when this site came into existence, 4chan's furry hate memes were more relevant, and this site has been full of furries from the earliest days. TGchan hasn't been representative of "4chan culture" for well over a decade, and if you think the site's layout will keep undesirable users away, you haven't been to actual 4chan in the last ~five years. Whether tgchan will be overrun by shitheads after a relaunch will be entirely up to the staff and the userbase, not a nondescriptive name and two decades old software.

>a small minority ruins 4chan for everyone
>4chan's bad rep is a recent phenomenon linked to politics
More transparent bullshit. No one with any sense at all would recommend 4chan to random people and that has always been true. You'd tell a friend about the site if you knew they'd be able to handle 4chan. You wouldn't drop someone expecting normal behavior into it.

The imageboard association is a harsh filter, even if it's not factual for tgchan in particular.

>the name makes sense
This site doesn't tolerate the kind of attitude you'd have seen on e.g. 2008 /v/ and it definitely doesn't tolerate the attitude of present-day 4chan.

I have never seen anyone refer to tabletop games as "TG" outside of the 4chan board name itself. That claim of yours is nonsense. How or why could you believe that it'd be descriptive to outsiders?


tl;dr you're full of shit and you're either a moron or literally incapable of processing reality

>>130386
You'd think "Don't call each other names" would be an easy thing to do but here we are. Don't do this.

If people are up-tight about a name I really don't care if they come here. As confrontational as the question may be, do you feel quests will be taken down or altered by the moderation staff if they're deemed offensive by these new users too? You can't please everyone and you shouldn't try to, you're a lovely group and I wish you would keep doing what you've been doing as that's what brought me here nearly a decade ago.

I'd feel a bigger issue to dedicate time to would be knowing which quests updated without IRC, It's why I sage my suggestions but a slight color change would be nice if the quest OP posts since you last viewed the thread.

>>130462
>do you feel quests will be taken down or altered by the moderation staff if they're deemed offensive by these new users too?
There is no reason to believe this would happen to any quests. The name change is something favored by many current quest authors, removing current quests would presumably not be favored by current quest authors.
The people that are making fat stacks on questing are making some of them there furry fuckin' quests, y'all ain't gotta worry about the furry fuckin' going away on TaleHole.

Even if scaring off normies is considered a good thing, the site's contents will already do that. We don't need collateral damage of scaring off weirdos that just don't want to bother taking a chance on a *chan, and the people that are enticed by a *chan name in 2019 are people that are unlikely to be good members of the community.

>>130348
To be specific, we were driven off 4chan during one particular period of overly aggressive moderation towards any sort of quest thread and much of /tg/'s creativity and worldbuilding content, and the moderators (believed to be) responsible for it were highly unpopular with the site's other users for precisely that reason. That period of time has been over for a long while now; creative content is a regular part of /tg/ again, and the site has a whole board dedicated to quests now. In fact, some of our authors came directly from there, simply because our board was slower and our threads last longer.

To put it succinctly, we weren't "kicked out" by 4chan. We were forced apart.

I sympathize with the "if they reject us and miss out, then they brought it on themselves" sentiment, but it's not fair to aim it at all of 4chan. Most of them had nothing to do with that incident and didn't like it at all. In fact, our content has some popularity in some of the site's threads, particularly ones that involve cute kobolds, sexy aliens, and other special interests which are very much like our own. The ones who are actually rejecting us are the people who take one look at us and decide that we're not worth learning anything more about just because we're a chan site. If some people refuse to associate with us and end up missing out on our stories, then that's up to them; we've gotten along just fine without them in the past, and we'll continue to grow without them in the future.

I can understand wanting to share our community with more people, but it's not a good idea to tell ourselves "if they won't accept us, to hell with them" and then change our name in hopes of attracting those specific individuals.

>>130464
I agree with this dude. While I'm not terribly fond of 4chan's edgelord cultural baseline, I also feel like trying to overly restrict that attitude on the website beyond standard "don't be a douche" standards is going to stifle new users AND creativity. Let's avoid that.

>>130464

Out of curiosity, do you run a quest?

I feel there's a point I should make if it hasn't been made already: We're changing the name. You can't change our minds on that. That discussion is over.

Tgchan.org will still lead you to the site for as long as Dylan feels like hosting the mirror, but the site's official name is gonna be something else.

Tgchan split from 4chan ten years ago. Very little that was true of the community in 2009 is true in 2019. We've grown and matured, and I was here almost the whole time to see that. This place was less of a cesspool than 4chan, but I always had to explain to people why tgchan isn't terrible when linking it, and some of my original Tezakia suggestors were put off by the community.

I really want the day to come that I can link to this site with pride, not a hundred asterisks. I don't want to have to temper years of work and thousands of images, hundreds of days worrying over what would make a good story, all for someone to go 'nah, looks too much like 4chan'.

I'm lucky in that Tezakia itself is a separate entity that, despite its age and growing pains, works well as a starting point for my stuff.

Other people don't have that.

If you prefer 2009 TGchan, then I'm sorry, but it's gone. The people are nicer, and the mods actually step in if you act like an asshole. We're working to make the site design catch up to that.

I spent 10 years explaining to people that acting like a jerk is a bad thing, and if you think otherwise then this place simply isn't for you anymore.

If everything about old TGchan was such a complete cesspool that you constantly seem to hate, why did you even stay? It seems like everytime you and some others speak of it, everyone was simply hateful, and it was a lawless land that nobody liked.

>>130478
For some people old tgchan's attitude was tolerable because of the unique content, but a lot of people were actually also part of that attitude at that time and then grew up and matured. It's been ten years.

>>130478
I almost didn't join. The site very much scared me away with its community and 4-chan look.

I ran tezakia, hoping I would get experience enough to not make a fool of myself and become victim to the extremely cruel way poor questers were treated back then (remember vyt?).

What ended up happening is TGchan, or specifically some kind people from it, found me in the 11th hour of Tezakia.

Their kindness is what made me go ahead and join the community in full. And I stayed because I believed in Questing as a format for telling unique stories, and over time I would make attempts to improve things (often failing due to intense pushback)

But the thing is, I never ended up changing things-- things changed on their own!

Had I found tgchan today, I might not have been scared away as much... but if the site also doesn't look like 4chan, I imagine a me that discovered it today would happily have run tezakia here instead of a dead 2008-era social media platform.

>>130482
>4-chan look
Changing the name is going to do jack shit to stop that. So long as it's an imageboard with anonymous posting, it will be blatantly obvious it's chan derived.

If you're all that determined to cleanse the site, make a new one and let TGChan die with dignity, instead of gutting it and parading its corpse around.

hello yes rename site to questdan in honor and glory of me

>>130483
people and things change over time my man, this is not dying

like i disagree with you but i still get how you feel about things not being like the old times you enjoyed anymore, i feel you there, but you gotta appreciate the old times for what they were and move on so you can enjoy current times for what they are

>>130483

Oh yeah changing the layout a little bit is totally gutting the site~

>>130483
We're not "cleansing" the site. Moderation will not change overnight. Why are you so mad about a name change? It's a new coat of paint, the internals will be the same. So like, the opposite of what you're freaking out about.

Changing the layout (well, major changes anyway) is a different issue, which afaik isn't supported by the mod team. They're more interested in adding features like post editing and a working watched threads feature.

>>130475
>The people are nicer, and the mods actually step in if you act like an asshole. We're working to make the site design catch up to that.
Sure, you really stepped up to the plate when I got called a cocksucker in my own thread, by the author of this one. Truly outstanding work. >>114587
And all the assorted prejudice and profiling of people here from the chans has been very enlightened. Maybe we should count 3/5 of their votes, too?

I'm not buying it.

>>130491
I don't know how to tell you this but NotDog is, in fact, not LawyerDog.

>>130491
my bro are you comparing people disagreeing with you to being a slave

>>130491
Did.. did you really equate the general distaste for 4chan with the historical plight of black people in America? Like.. did you really do that?

>>130491
hey dude not all people with dog in their name are the same person, quit with the prejudice and profiling

>>130495
The general distaste for anyone leads us down a dark road, was my point. Better to judge them fairly.

>>130497
i understand your point but please consider using better examples to support your arguments, like even putting aside how absolutely buck wild it was the 3/5ths mention immediately shifts focus to that bit rather than the point you were making

and if you feel like people have specifically been discriminated against please say so more specifically, so far other than some dudes who were told to stop posting insults I mostly see people saying they didn't like the general site culture

it's that moderation ignores the odd number of people who prefer the old ways that gets me in this thread most, I think.

Why do you downplay the viewpoints of those that disagree with this? it seems mean-spirited to do this this way.

>>130483
you cannot pretend this man's anxieties are unfounded given the tones being taken towards the culture that was around at the founding of the site.
There's been enough change in the irc especially that pretending he or she is ridiculous for this fear isn't great.

>>130491
>>130493
that's from 2017, shortly before irc's chat sanitization efforts really started in earnest. Probably not productive to try and highlight that.

>>130499
>it's that moderation ignores the odd number of people who prefer the old ways that gets me in this thread most, I think.

>Why do you downplay the viewpoints of those that disagree with this? it seems mean-spirited to do this this way.
can you elaborate on this I don't understand what you mean

>you cannot pretend this man's anxieties are unfounded given the tones being taken towards the culture that was around at the founding of the site.
the people who dislike the culture at the time of founding have been explicit about their dislike and have explained why they dislike it, it may help if you explain why you disagree instead of just saying that you do

you posted about stifling creativity and that sure would be a bad thing to do but i still don't understand how exactly the things you are concerned about lead to stifling creativity

>>130502
I'll accept that, though the date of those reforms seems to wildly fluctuate.

>>130505
You also need to report posts that you have issues with. That linked post is very clearly a joke post (and to be very clear, not posted by me!! https://tgchan.org/wiki/NotDog), nothing being done about an unreported joke is not a big deal.

>>130502
see some of these responses:
>>129883
>>129959
>>130122
>>129980
>>129987
>>130006
>>130014

and many more of similarly varying levels of civility throughout the thread, this is a long one and I don't feel like cherry-picking every single anti-chan culture comment here.

While I agree that distancing us from some of the *chan discourse is good for both civility and bringing in new users, we're also built on a certain measure of shitposty "degeneracy" that originates from this same culture and some of that has to be maintained for the content to remain tgchan's unique flavor (that being vaguely savory with a hint of fur and weird spices.)

But concerns about these potential changes are, essentially, getting glossed over or swept under the rug because people believe distance from these folks will necessarily breathe life into the site anew.

I, and many people in this thread, don't believe this is the case.

>>130507
If you agree that the name change is likely to bring in new users then the remaining issue seems to be possible censorship of "degenerate" quests. Considering how many modern quests heavily feature unusual sexual elements like Kaktus or Cirr's works, or quests that do a good job handling very unusual perspectives like TVRN or ringor mortis' works, or even just the overall board culture still being very distinct from mainstream sites, I don't see any cause for concern on that specific front.

Moreover, even if we accept that the anti-chan sentiment you're concerned about is going to ruin tgchan's board culture, I don't see how preventing a name change would stop it. The name of the site being tgchan doesn't stop staff from implementing whatever policies they would like. Even with the given premise I don't understand why you're specifically worried about the name change.

>>130387
Alright.
I don't believe that tolerating blatant bullshit but also insisting on civil treatment for the bullshitters is a good idea, but I'm not making the rules. If you want to give propagandists and trolls who deliberately insult the intelligence of everyone who isn't them a shield to hide behind, that's your decision.

>>130464
>>130478
>>130483
>>130491
>>130497
>>130501
>>130507
More obvious bullshit. Amazing how those concerned citizens who are all about muh imageboard culture suddenly start crying about "prejudice" when they are judged for being associated with the culture they ostensibly want to represent. You really think everyone but you is stupid, do you?

The core of imageboard culture is basically anarchy. That's a double-edged sword and anyone who accepts imageboard culture understands that. The price of freedom and honesty is that assholes are not silenced.

Whining about outsiders treating you "unfairly" because they don't want to deal with assholes running free (and thus avoid your community) is hypocritical, and I'm sure you know that.

>>130462
Not every site that isn't an imageboard will censor itself over some angry newcomers; see AO3.

>>130512

Why did you even grab my post for such an example. I was asking a general question for why they remained if they felt so strongly about it beforehand and now I'm a propagandist.. What? Just.. What?

>>130512
You know it'd be a lot easier to understand whatever you're going on able if you stopped with dismissing things as "obvious bullshit" and started explaining things, cause I have zero clue as to whatever you're going on about.

How is this connected to website names anyway?

>>130515
>You know it'd be a lot easier to understand whatever you're going on able if you stopped with dismissing things as "obvious bullshit" and started explaining things, cause I have zero clue as to whatever you're going on about.
4chan has never had a good reputation. Before /pol/ became its face, it was /b/. 4chan used to be "that site full of nasty trolls who got banned from normal forums".
That reputation is entirely deserved, as is obvious to anyone who has actually been to 4chan for a while. Yes, even in the "good old days".

The good parts of imageboard culture require you to weather the storm. You will encounter trolls, weirdoes and assholes. That has always been the case. Generally, people who don't want to have to deal with the troll horde to get to the gold can, should, and do choose to avoid imageboards.

The obvious bullshit I'm talking about is people acting as if imageboard culture and the association with it doesn't scare off people, and acting as if people being scared off by it are "prejudiced", "treating the community unfairly", or other such hypocritical whining.

Imageboard culture being difficult to access is a FACT. Imageboards frequently take pride in that. When outsiders are scared away by the chan reputation, that means it is working as intended.
Re-framing these facts as some sort of evil bias akin to persecution is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Concerned citizens crying about normies just not wanting to give imageboards a "fair chance" because they're "prejudiced" are crying crocodile tears, and I refuse to believe they're not aware of what they're doing.

>>130517
I don't want to see the board awash with dipshits again like what happened when Fractal's tumblr cult first arrived.

catering to 4chan's need to be an anti-pc offensive dickhole to the extreme will bring dipshits.

catering to twitter's pc hugbox bullying will bring dipshits.

make the only not retarded decision, ban people for personal attacks and actual racism shit instead of politics and how they talk.

also, thatquestsite and questden are both awful names, hard no from me.

(This user has been banned for personal attacks.)

This thread has served its purpose of generating ideas for a new name for tgchan and is rapidly degenerating into the third coming of the Big Dumb Arguments thread, so that's all folks.

Be good to each other!