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111417 No. 111417 ID: d1d42a

Thread for discussing King of Pentacles
https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/780786.html

numerous questions and complaints have been voiced
probably best to have them answered outside of quest
362 posts omitted. Last 100 shown. Expand all images
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No. 129593 ID: 8275cf

>>129591
I think you misunderstand
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No. 129595 ID: 73e698

>>129589
That's something you might want to think about in the future, then. I'm not too sure if it applies as directly as I think it it does to King of Pentacles specifically, or if I'm carrying over a feeling that I got from other quests of yours I read before, but it seems like it's common to come out of an encounter with a sense of "this isn't the best result you could have gotten, you didn't make great decisions", which is something that'll teach suggesters to be more paranoid.

Like, I can't remember much in the way of story points that had a feeling of "yes, you did great, good job!" Maybe it's something inherent to the overall story and tone you're going for, so it might not be easy or simple to avoid, but it rarely feels like the characters (and therefore the readers) have a reason to be happy or feel good about themselves without some sort of "but" hanging over it.

So you might want to either include more "oh, I did well!" moments, or make it clearer what bad consequences are being avoided.
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No. 129596 ID: 8275cf

>>129595
the thing is that is incredibly difficult
King of Pentacles is not a game you can "win" or "lose"
both of those entirely depend on what the individual suggester wants out of the story
for me to congratulate them on doing very well there needs to be some ultimate objective
there isn't.
typically following Kalez' orders will be the normal guideline, but she'll be controllable in many segments as well, and thus her orders are also largely determined by suggestor choice.

however if an individual wants "X" out of the quest I can tell them how good of a job their doing achieving "X".
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No. 129597 ID: 8275cf

for what it's worth, I am very happy with how the story is unfolding! so I think everyone is doing a great job!

. . . as long as other people are happy
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No. 129599 ID: 73e698

>>129596
I think you've taken what I said as a broader judgement than I really meant it. It's not so much the larger goal or the overall progress or lack thereof, but more the encounter-to-encounter stuff that I'm talking about. How well did the fight go for Kalez' minions, how well did her meeting with Vivian go for her, is anything Garrin's been doing meaningful? Obviously things are happening and the suggesters are making decisions that make things happen, but there's often some sort of vague feeling we could have done better, or that we stumbled past what we were actually supposed to do... or maybe we didn't? We don't know? It's the not knowing that's the problem. Just to be clear, it's not that big a problem, I'm probably making it sound worse because of how I'm trying to explain it. I'm trying to pin down something that's just a shadow of a feeling to me.

You're right about stuff depending on what people want out of the quest, but at the same time there are some things you can assume. If our player character gets in a fight, we want to win. If they're given a challenge to overcome we want to overcome it. Absolutely you want people to have control over where everything's going, and to make decisions for themselves, but if there isn't any direction at all, and you have different factions of suggesters who want different things (which seems very likely in this quest, from what moral standpoint you want to take, to who you want to ship with who, to story vs. lewds, which character specifically you want to see, etc), then you can end up with a feeling that the quest and the suggesters are just sort of staggering drunkenly through everything never quite fully doing one thing or the other. We make suggestions and then things happen, but what's the connection between what happens and what we intended, or wanted? Can there be any, if different suggesters intended and wanted different things?

It might just be a thing I'm getting. You'd need to ask if anyone else feels anything similar to this before you give it any credit.
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No. 129605 ID: 8275cf

>>129599
I'm afraid you've lost me with most of what you're talking about.

I have no idea how you would have me improve my quest

nor even what is even the problem, truly.

how successful was the battle in the first chapter? beyond being a victory? I don't know tally the pros and cons I guess.
how successful was the meeting with Vivian? she made an offer the suggestors refused. is that not clear? did you want something else of her?
How Meaningful have Garrin's actions been? meaningfull in what way and to who? I thought the Princess' safety had clear purpose.

I can't stop you from imagining superior outcomes, but I don't know them, only different outcomes all with different potentials and hooks
I could tell you as many as I considered, but that would be less than half of what is possible, since most outcomes I never considered.

I'm sorry you feel things lack direction, but either I don't see that or don't understand what you mean.

if you have a specific questions, a specific problem, or a specific thing you'd like me to change
perhaps I can better accommodate you.
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No. 129608 ID: 68a433

>>129605
I'm pretty sure I'm explaining things badly, but I'm not sure I can think of a better way to put it. It's just that when we come out the other end of any particular "scene" in the quest, I can get this feeling that things happened, but not so much that things were accomplished? Most scenes, when I consider suggesting, I feel like I should try to be, like... sensible. Not to think too much outside the box, because what'll get chosen is probably going to be something more expectable. Obviously being sensible is good, but it can also start feeling a little uncolourful if it goes on too long. It might be that the characters themselves, personality-wise, mostly seem like they're not the types that would come up with or go along with more unusual ideas.

It's also possible that I just haven't invested myself enough. I read the quest whenever I see it's updated, and I suggest now and then, but I don't have any strong feelings about what I want to see happen eventually, so I don't have a point of reference for how I should feel about the outcome of whatever's going on at that moment. All that I have to think about is the scene at hand, so if there's not much to think about in for that scene then I feel like the quest isn't asking me to think much in general. On top of that, it might be leaning my motivation more to "I want to try and pick the best answer" when the thing that decides what's best (contribution to a long-term goal) doesn't actually exist in my case. Like I'm looking at the choices too much as puzzles to be solved in themselves rather than as steps to something else. So it's very likely that all my problems are just me.

It's still a good quest!
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No. 129609 ID: 8275cf
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129609

>>129608
I'm glad you're at least enjoying the quest!

here's a picture of Icker redundantly dressed as a Bee!
she seems pretty okay with this costume.
or she's just more agreeable when her belly is full of honey.

Picture suggested by one of my generous patrons!
>>128902
based on bee outfit suggested here
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No. 129616 ID: 9876c4

>>129609
Multipants
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No. 129619 ID: 322af8

An answer to the age old question of how a bee would wear pants.
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No. 129651 ID: 8275cf
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129651

A Sequel to this bonus
>>126512

Rolita has come out on top!
presenting her defeated opponent Eeyfel
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No. 129667 ID: 54c395

>>129651
A nude Eeyfel? Don’t mind if I do lol
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No. 129798 ID: 8275cf

Sorry the next update is taking so long, it's going to be a big one!
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No. 129799 ID: 8275cf
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129799

>"Any interesting stories of clients and customers you had before meeting Sir Garrin?"

Xiatzu:'most of my work is copying public bulletins and decrees sent out by noble households, I also copy old records and histories.
Once in a while a very strange person asks for something very strange.
A couple weeks ago a huge woman over eight feet tall comes to my store.
This woman was of powerful build and covered in armor plates and wrapped bandages.
She looked to be of some knightly order, she had the crest of the binder god.
she did not speak a word but through gesture told me she wanted parchment.
I offered her a sheet, and she used it to tell me she wanted all the parchment and ink I had.
obviously I told her I could do nothing for her, I do not deal with adventurers, it always leads to trouble.
She left after that.
I hope to never see such a dangerous person again.'

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No. 129828 ID: 54c395

>>129798
That’s perfectly fine I’m excited to see it!
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No. 129954 ID: 8275cf
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129954

Herocea showing off some new undergarments
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No. 130237 ID: 8275cf
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130237

Reefa as a real world modern princess
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No. 130252 ID: 54c395

I’m glad too see that Sir Garrin is doing the harem route lmao
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No. 130393 ID: 8275cf
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130393

>"Duchess Kalez, it's said that you grew up on the streets. Is that true and if so, what was life like while you were 'living how the other half live' as they say. How exactly did you meet Archduke Midas? Do you think things have changed ever since you've come into power, minus the undead and possible world ending."

Duchess Kalez: 'Peasants are parasites, the weak in their villages huddle around the strong of the castles for the safety and nurishment they think it provides.
like fleas upon a dog they suckle at the life blood of a more powerful creature, they scrape, scrounge or steal any coin they can get.
All the while these pathetic wretches dream of power, thinking it will make them happy.
Yes I was such a parasite, such a filthy degraded theif.
I achieved the dream only for the parasites to turn thier attention on me, I am no longer thier sister I have become thier host.

I learned this long before meeting Midas, he was a warrior eager to learn his place in the universe my insite gave him power and in return he granted me station and alliance that served us both.
and ultimately our divine patron.'

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No. 130436 ID: 9876c4

>>130237
This is quite fetching.
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No. 130595 ID: 8275cf

a bonus image slot has been generously donated by a wonderful patron!

Here's a poll! lewd options will be marked as NSFW!
https://strawpoll.com/rdrf96yz
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No. 130604 ID: b1b4f3

>>130595
I don't think we've seen some of these characters yet...
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No. 130606 ID: 8275cf

>>130604
that's right, some of these characters are one's we'll meet in the future
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No. 130629 ID: 8275cf

Pick which lady will be most prominently shown
(this is important if you want to see full frontal lewd parts)
https://strawpoll.com/zgf9k9fy
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No. 130821 ID: 8275cf
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130821

as voted for

Sisters Tawny and Rolita, cleaning Sabria their mother superior
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No. 130822 ID: 54c395

>>130821
Very nice
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No. 130823 ID: 58c631

>>130821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBduNcf1eQc
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No. 130825 ID: 54c395

It would be supremely cute if the hydra had some kind of crush on Vovo
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No. 130827 ID: 9876c4

>>130825
What if only some of the heads did?
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No. 130828 ID: 54c395

>>130827
And the others had a crush on another *antics ensue*
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No. 130966 ID: 8275cf
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130966

>Ever fantasize or think about how your lives would be not fused together? Do you all think things would be the same or different?

Solia: 'we try not to dwell, an impossible dreams for us, that it will never happen, that is our greatest fear. this only makes us miserable . . .'
Remia: 'but this dream is different, we have it every night, we could want nothing more, if only it could come true, we would be so happy'
Laret: 'we would be so free, we could go do whatever, go anywhere we could want, our sisters could not block, we could have fun forever '
Fason: 'There is power in numbers, we would be five wholes, not one with five souls, none could stand against us, all would tremble in fear.'
Mifal: 'We would do just anything, if only this could happen, we have made many deals, the golden scorpion promises much, but she also tells lies . . .'
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No. 130967 ID: 8275cf

heads from left to right are Remia,Mifal,Fason,Solia,Laret
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No. 131085 ID: 54c395

Still hoping we get to see Garrins dick one day
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No. 131088 ID: 6f7a5a

>>131085
it will probably happen sooner or later
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No. 131091 ID: a664e3

>>131088

At the Duchess' ball, you explore the gardens. The calm of the foliage contrasts the fervor and exuberance of the party. The high energy is nice in its own way, but you prefer meditation with the plants. The bud of a rose lures you towards a field of color, a soft light glistening off the dew coating each flower's petals. Posed there, backlit by the moon beams hitting the lake, is him. Garrin... In this small corner of the garden, which may as well be a world wholly separate from the surrounding guests...

You see his dick.
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No. 131092 ID: 11f77a

>>131091
unfortunately Xiatzu was never really known for her romantic writing in novels.
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No. 131141 ID: ca2950

>>131092
"His penis was erect and turgid, like an erect penis. He plundered her body like a bulldog uprooting a flowerbed."
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No. 131228 ID: 6f7a5a
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131228

Gorgammar Multero, Queen of Tarratha, mother to Reefa
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No. 131229 ID: feecd8

>>131228
I'll just oggle at you instead. ;)
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No. 131230 ID: 322af8

That poor mother is going to have some work to do, to stop the oogling.
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No. 131235 ID: 12b116
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131235

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No. 131242 ID: f7ff14

>>131235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEaJf3jPaQ8
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No. 131273 ID: 6f7a5a
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131273

Fanart of Princess Reefa from an awesome Patron!
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No. 131274 ID: 6f7a5a
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131274

Nude version
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No. 131275 ID: 6f7a5a
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131275

a very generous patron wanted to see Queen Gamma suffer the consequences of her earlier statement
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No. 131276 ID: 6f7a5a
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131276

without jewelry
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No. 131286 ID: 322af8

Well that didnt take long!
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No. 131307 ID: feecd8

>>131275
>>131276
But the Queen's beauty deserves to be oggled at!
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No. 131332 ID: 6f7a5a
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131332

HAPPY HALLOWEEN TGchan!

enjoy a cute patron requested image!
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No. 131334 ID: 9876c4

I find the concept of a dragon that cannot imagine a (nother) dragon to be somewhat amusing
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No. 131337 ID: 54c395

>>131332
She’s so adorable
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No. 131387 ID: 6f7a5a
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131387

sequel to one of the very early bonuses
>>121773

The Hydra taking Azzeki for her punishment
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No. 131447 ID: 6f7a5a
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131447

Queen Gamma has reconsidered some of her earlier statements

---

Thanks be to the generous patron who made this picture possible!
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No. 131448 ID: 9876c4

>>131447
I love a happy ending.
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No. 131466 ID: a9af05

>>131447
I'm just going to ogle both of you, so that neither of you are left out of the ogling.
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No. 131467 ID: feecd8

>>131447
Hey Princess, move out of the way! You're blocking my view! I'm trying to admire the Queen's beauty!
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No. 131682 ID: 6f7a5a
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131682

Queen Gamma taking a holiday fall!

brought to you by a generous patron!
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No. 131709 ID: 54c395

>>131682
Naisu
And here’s to hoping for sir garrin to make an appearance for crotch day
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No. 131740 ID: 6f7a5a

>>131709
there's something like that in the works
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No. 131763 ID: 15088f

>>131682
Every time I see Queen Gamma I can't help but think that she has to have serious sleep apnea with a neck as fat as that. Might be the reason she has so many bags under her eyes.
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No. 131831 ID: 6f7a5a
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131831

Garrin about to care for a lovely woman
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No. 131832 ID: 10c07d

>>131831
Oooh now this is nice
I remember asking before but I feel like now would be the time to ask again, exactly how long is Garrin?
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No. 131834 ID: 6f7a5a

>>131832
I don't know
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No. 131936 ID: 6f7a5a
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131936

this comic takes place in the past
page 1 of 8
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No. 131940 ID: 6f7a5a
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131940

page 2 of 8
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No. 131972 ID: 6f7a5a
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131972

page 3 of 7 (I removed one page)
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No. 132021 ID: 6f7a5a
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132021

Page 4 of 7
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132139

Page 5 of 7
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132270

page 6 of 7
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No. 132336 ID: 376a29

For anyone wondering where the two explosions in the >>/quest/959106 update came from, I'll copy here what I wrote in #quest-discussion on the Questden Discord server:

"I was very puzzled at what caused the two explosions in this update; I thought at first that it was yet more magic shenanigans. But I went back over the previous updates and discovered that the "honey" that was sticking to the hydra's left foot for the last four updates was the contents of Icker's bombs, from when the hydra stomped Icker's bomb backpack. When that "honey" was ignited by the flame it exploded. And the explosion after that, on the hydra's chest, was from bomb "honey" sticking the Westman's shield to her chest catching fire. That shield got stuck there when she crushed the Westman against her chest back when she had a bomb stuck to her chest."

So none of the suggesters, including me, caught on that the hydra was stomping around with two globs of flammable, sticky explosives stuck to her since the >>/quest/953326 update. Perhaps if enough of us had caught on and said to stay away from the fire she would not have exploded and things wouldn't have gone from bad to worse.
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No. 132342 ID: b1b4f3

>>132336
No, quite a few suggesters knew it was explosive, and wanted to scrape it off immediately after the first fight. The Hydra even tried doing that after breathing fire in the second fight, though it was left out of the text.
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No. 132353 ID: 376a29

>>132342
Hm, I mis-phrased that. I should have written that nobody suggested to keep away from the flames or get rid of the bomb material after the update where the egg mage tele'd away the Rebels (along with the hydra's right hand and half her tail.)
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No. 132363 ID: 0fae41

>>132353
People generally don't expect to have to tell their character not to stand in fire like an MMO player. Even a fire-resistant one.
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No. 132369 ID: 6f7a5a

The Hydra has absolutely no prior reason to fear fire, to the hydra caution towards stepping in fire would be the same as a vampire hunter being cautious about stepping in a sunbeam
and in fact would have every instinct to do so when in danger

The Hydra is also very stupid, even when cohesive. not to mention reckless, even if some danger was present (the Hydra did not believe this to be the case) the Hydra might ignore it anyways to to their over all resilience
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132452

final page

I hope everyone enjoyed this short comic!
I'd love to hear what anyone has to say regarding it!
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No. 132455 ID: 10c07d

>>132452
I thought it was pretty cute and interesting seeing the characters interact more outside the main story
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No. 132461 ID: 9876c4

>>132452
I avoided commenting for the longest time, in the vain hope we'd get all 7 pages adjacent. It was worth a shot.

I misread Reefa's line as "I heard a DARN PLOT" and I frankly may like that even more.
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No. 132535 ID: 10c07d

Really cool ending for the third chapter I’m excited to see where this all goes next!
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No. 132536 ID: 2f8bd2

The ending is badass, but I'm just over here distracted by a cute naked Hydra.
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No. 132538 ID: 1888a9

Hope we get to kick some ass as the Hydra again. And see more interactions from them in general.
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No. 132539 ID: b1b4f3

I want to see more naked Hydra.
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No. 132540 ID: e96198

>>132539
That too.
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No. 132541 ID: 6f7a5a

I'm very happy people enjoyed the ending!
next chapter starts in May.

>>132539
>>132540
you shall, in the near future . . .
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No. 132573 ID: 0b8b86

Hydra best character.
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No. 132598 ID: 6f7a5a

>>132573
speaking of "best character"
I've created another poll were you can pick exactly that!

https://strawpoll.com/d5ca7zg1
vote for as many characters as you like!
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No. 132599 ID: b1b4f3

Ah, Hatchley is the cloaked hen. Looks like the adventurers the duchess hired were never on her side.
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No. 132601 ID: eae185

>>132598
Never knew Azzeki was a merc
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No. 132603 ID: eae185

Or Sezeda, always thought those two were recruited from the military.
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No. 132625 ID: 9876c4

Hydra wasn't really my thing.
Vivian Hearth is really obnoxious to me, but a good character. Basically, I love to hate her.

I still like all my faves (Yappa, Skrep, Mizzit) , and Reefa's omake appearances have endeared her even more. Good chapter!
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No. 132669 ID: 6f7a5a
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132669

Remia: 'First acolyte gives us ice'

Mifal: 'we use it to clean'

Fason: 'the ice burns us nicely'

Solia: 'we enjoy the cold pain'

Laret: 'after cleaning we eat it!'
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132845

Midas:'get up! we will try again'

Fason: 'it's not fair the others hold me back'
Midas: 'you must be strong together'

Laret: 'we're strong enough already!'
Midas: 'you also need control'

Remia: 'can't we rest for a bit?'
Midas: 'the world will show you no pity'

Mifal: 'no one even knows we exist'
Midas: 'I can not hide you forever'

Solia: 'then just let us die!'
Midas: 'Is that what you truly want?'

The Hydra ' . . . '

Midas: 'any other complaints?

The Hydra: 'no, my lord'

Midas: 'good, now get up. we will try again.'
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No. 132849 ID: e7c7d3

Aw, young hydra is cute!
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No. 132850 ID: ee1d44

>>132849
Best character.
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No. 132852 ID: e96198

From a whelp to warden. I love that. Also love the relationship they have with Midas here, almost familial, kind of.
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No. 132935 ID: e8efd5

Just read through the archive for this and it's really good. Looking forward to participating in Chapter 4.
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No. 133409 ID: 6f7a5a
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133409

>"N'thar, how exactly did you become Kalez's first Acolyte? Did she seek you out or did you seek her out?"

N'Thar 'I was born to be first acolyte, with my father being first acolyte before me, but that should be expected as true greatness must be nurtured from the start. She had me play at trials of course, the importance of ceremony and all that; but it was always going to be me at her side . . . until my greatness inevitably surpassed hers, such is the burden of destiny. Fools like Garrin and even Mistress Kalez think have some measure of control but it is only by the grace of of great lineages like mine and that of Master Midas that they can achieved anything!'
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No. 133410 ID: 10c07d

>>133409
Wonder how much of this is true and how much is just N’Thar being full of himself
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No. 133781 ID: 6f7a5a
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>"What sort of factors came to play when selecting people to become your acolytes? Clearly talents they had was one of the factors, but what else?"

Duchess Kalez: 'the pleading cry of of a thousand aspirants, the endless struggle to the top kicking and clawing away all others craving the same, a desperate need for the grain of sand to be noticed by a titan. This is the path to enlightenment to the truth of the world, wealth and strong blood have value but both are easily stolen if needed. A keen mind fueled by an endless hunger for more. Yes this is what makes an Acolyte. As it was for me, as it is for mine, as it will be for theirs.'
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reference image of the Third Acolyte: Oragatt Ruingarth
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Without Armour
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