Ed Pastry 2010/02/15(Mon)16:57 No. 132289 ID: 35cea2
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Somewhere, in the middle of Monument...

Ed Pastry 2010/02/15(Mon)16:58 No. 132291 ID: 35cea2
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A huge spreadsheet dictates the future of humanity.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/15(Mon)17:00 No. 132297 ID: 35cea2
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The first Breaker threat has been defeated. Several of their soldiers have been captured and the citizens of the Splinter rejoice at the victory. Scanners on board the starships have detected a faint disturbance that is the telltale sign of an FTL drive activating. It appears whatever well-hidden ship that the Breakers have used to deploy the ground forces here have now left, likely to warn the remainder of the Breaker fleet.

The captured Breakers cannot be interrogated yet, as we cannot understand their language. Research of the TRANSLATION ALGORITHM is necessary to extract information from them.



There have been a few changes to this quest. For one thing, I have moved all the data to a spreadsheet to increase the ease of updating. A lot of numbers have been changed and many corrections have been made. Everything on this report is canon, even if it conflicts with previous base reports. Also, the LOGISTICS PERSONNEL has been removed from the game for simplicity’s sake. All previous LOGISTICS PERSONNEL have been reassigned to LIGHT INFANTRY.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/15(Mon)17:02 No. 132299 ID: 35cea2
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The Breaker corpses and equipment can now be dissected by the researchers. It is unknown whether they can lead to further techs.

>>132297
Research the TRANSLATION ALGORITHM immediately. Then let's start packing shit up so we can use the Anomaly to GTFO.

Let's research translation algorithm while we wait for our main lab to come online.

As I see it, longer term we have a choice. We can either abandon the planet now and evacuate through the Icon, or we can wait and possibly evacuate in more haste later on.

My suggestion would be we deploy one of the corvettes with as much sensor gear as we can stuff aboard towards the direction the breakers went. It can provide early warning of any FTL signatures as FTL radio travels faster than ships do.

>>132302
This sounds like a very good idea. And blow up the anomaly after you go through it. The Breakers cannot be allowed to follow again.

>>132321

Actually, let's research breaker weapons. We only have 1 research point per month right now, and if we need to pack up soon we need technology now. So let's go for quickness.

No time for that. We're at 1 RP per month. In 11 months, our Professionals will start finishing training, so we can dramatically increase our research... Except we can't, because aliens are coming to nuke us, and we have no idea how much time we have. So we pretty much need to abandon the world and go find another one, unless I'm missing something.

What's our current carrying capacity?

Still, need to actually find a place to flee to. First off, get another science team together. Shut down the factory if we don't have enough scientists. Load them on a Corvette with some infantry and a 4 man Commando team and let's fire the Anomaly up.

Researching Breaker stuff seems most prudent for the time being. We can expect a reprisal in the not too distant future, and anything we can learn about repelling their weapons or fooling their sensors and so forth would be a great help. If at all possible, it would be good if abandoning the planet was not necessary. Some means of giving the appearance of having fled would both spare us the cost, difficulty and risk of relocating.

>>132329

Well, how fast is breaker FTL? I remember it only being as fast as ours. We've got a good base here, we shouldn't leave for as long as we possibly can.

>>132345
Hiding has one major problem though. They might just destroy the planet from space just to be sure.

The quicker we can get off planet the better. It gives us more of a headstart and we're less likely to forget something important because we have to pull out in a state of panic.

Anyway, we should focus all of our production on building cargo and passenger ships. On the way in the fleet was loaded beyond planned capacity. We need to have some more space this time.

>Anyway, we should focus all of our production on building cargo and passenger ships.
We don't have any production. It'd take 2 months minimum to build a shipyard and then it'd take a year to build a ship. Except that'd require assistance from ground-based factories, which we wouldn't have enough Professionals for. Argh.

Perhaps we could send a Corvette to shadow the Breaker FTL signature, so we know when it's linked up with something? Is that suicidal?

>>132346

Given that we may not be able to flee effectively from them this time, it might be safer as well as less disruptive to decoy them with a fake fleet. 'Life signs' are quite easy to fake with some heating elements or other cheap e/m signal generators. If they think they've destroyed us, it could grant us the time we need to analyse their technology and language, and perhaps even acquire warp technology. That should give us a manoeverability edge over the Breakers when we do have to come into contact with them. Superior speed combined with a level playing field in terms of weapons may be our only hope at holding out against their superior numbers long term.

Unless of course their modus operandi is BURN IT TO ASHES, in which case we should run like fuck and consider reclaiming if they move along without irradiating the planet.

>>132361
Didn't we build a shipyard? Damn it. I knew I should have insisted more on expanding space industry faster. I fucking knew something like this was going to happen. We are way to close to Sol and way to unprepared for this situation.

>Damn it. I knew I should have insisted more on expanding space industry faster.
Easier said than done. We simply didn't have enough Professionals. I decided to focus on using the ones we had to train more. If only we had another year...

>>132375

We may yet. If there was only a tiny Breaker force in the area, they may have to make the long trip to somewhere like earth, and THEN come back.

>>132380

Seriously. Let's put out early warning stuff, not frantically evacuate before we need to.

If they had a big force in the area, we'd be dead. For all we know, it could be years before they arrive.

If there's even a chance we could catch and destroy it, we should send our destroyer or a corvette loaded with nukes after the breaker ship and try to kill it before it gets home.

Also, halt research of Computing II and start with the Translation Algorithm.

>>132291
i knew it was EVE all along!

so we lack professionals even to estabilish a quick evacuation route. reseach breaker weapons, adapt to our vehicles ASAP. i want the shields too.

we need to bulk up. walls, underground, whatever. so far we dont have a real chance to leave or win, so we should pretend we died or that we lost case they come too soon.

either we rebuild underwater/underground or we simply move elsewhere and rig the city to nuke when they arrive.

we can have a 7 months warning. this means whatever we plan, MUST come inside this 7 month period.

a corvette stays in the other side of the anomaly, detecting w/e within a radius of 5 months, it warps here and gives us a extra 2 month warning for the trip from the anomaly to us.

Okay, our situation is that a Breaker just went to FTL, easily assumed that it went to find reinforcements, we don't have the technology to easily pack up and run nor the firepower and defenses to fend them off should those reinforcements be a large number. What should be done now is:
1. Find out which direction that Breaker went off to.
2. Set up a warning system.
3. Research TRANSLATION ALGORITHM so we can interrogate the prisoners.
4. If found that we don't have alot of time, I suggest packing bare essentials for new colony(i.e. People, Metals, Ceramics, Knowledge/Research, and Basic Machinery), head for THE ICON and hopefully use it for last a minute escape.

Create emergency evacuation procedures, if not already in place. Allow them to be taught in schools and things. People will be much calmer if they know exactly what to do, which will lead to success.

Well, mates, I think it's time we gave the Anomaly a test run. They've already got somebody running to alert them, so I don't really think we've got anything to lose by seeing what's on the other side of ye olde teleporter.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/18(Thu)16:18 No. 134465 ID: 35cea2
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Research has been switched to TRANSLATION ALGORITHM

The following buildings have been constructed:
MONUMENT:
4 COLLEGES completed (VACANT)
4 MEDIUM STORES completed
SLATER:
1 COLLEGE completed (VACANT)
2 MEDIUM STORES completed

Since we have no PROFESSIONALS to spare all new COLLEGES are VACANT. Also, a MEDIUM FACTORY has been shut down to allow enough professionals to allow enough PROFESSIONALS to activate the Anomaly. They will arrive in approximately 2 turns.

Note: If no build order is specified, BP's will be automatically assigned but no buildings will be constructed.

Is it possible to send out a ship to provide early warning?

Well, let's see. When our first wave of new Professionals completed, I was going to put them to work training workers, but since that requires we stay on the planet for no less than four more years, I suppose we should put them to work in medium labs instead, right?

Unless there's objections, we should build:
5x MEDIUM LABS (all at MONUMENT)
UPGRADE: 2x FARMING DOMES to GREENHOUSES (to stockpile yet more food for the inevitable exodus)

Also, reactivate the other two FARMING DOMES to stockpile food.

Might be forgetting something. Also, not certain if we'll actually be able to use all five labs, but hey, we've got like ten vacant buildings. I'm sure one more won't hurt. Not like we can actually bring all this metal with us.

Also, we need to explain the situation to the Gesters living with us. Ask them if they want to come with us, and if they don't, if they think it would be okay for us to blow up our bases as we leave with terrible, destructive, poisonous weapons, preventing them or their children from using the land...

I guess we could also build an orbital facility, but we can't really make use of it for quite some time.

How hard would it be to design a freighter that can keep up with the military ships?

>>134809

Might be better to build a trailer.

We should also start drawing up evacuation plans. How many people can we get into the current ships and how much cargo? Also what is their maximum range without refueling in case the anomaly doesn't yield anything?

It also seems like our population has increased by 4000. If we had trouble getting the original 8000 crammed into our fleet then we might have to leave people here to a certain death. That is unless we can manage two trips through the anomaly before the Breakers show up in force.

Ok
1: let's talk to the geisters more. We need to get as many of them aboard so their species can survive even if the planet gets nuked.

2: we need to top our tanks up. Let's send the destroyer and remaining frigate over to the nebula to fill up.

>>135269
It's likely that we don't even have room for our own people. Bringing along aliens who most likely cannot survive long in a human biotope (remember, they live in a place with a much lower athmospheric pressure and concentration of oxygen as well as lower gravity) unaided is a massive waste of resources and space that should go to saving human lives. Not towards saving neolithic stone age people who can contribute nothing and only drain our already very limited resources. And it's not even certain we could get enough of them out to ensure that they have enough genetic material to survive. Hell the Nautli probably won't be around for more than a couple of generations unless we can find a solution for that problem for them.

This is one of the primary reasons I told everyone that we should have nothing to do with the gesters and ideally we shouldn't even have created a permanent settlement on Ithaka. The Gesters might now be doomed because we decided to settle here. If they're lucky the Breakers will only wipe out the settlements we have been in direct contact with and will integrate the rest into their empire.

>>135271

Let's not jump to conclusions when we have no idea if we can transport them or not

>>135276
Ithaka has about one third of earths gravity. The athmospheric pressure is also lower than earths and the oxygen concentration is so low that humans can't survive there without breathing masks. That is the enviorment that the Gesters were evolved to live in. Human ships on the other hand will have the normal one earth gravity as well as normal athmospehric pressure with the normal oxygen concentration. If humans can't survive in the Gesters natural enviorment without aid then it's unlikely that the Gesters will fare any better.

Then there is the space issue. The first time the fleet ran they managed to cram aboard somewhere between 11000 and 10000 people, roughly 2000 of those died, either from suicide or accidents. We still have the same amounts of ships, only now they're older and has gone without proper maintence even longer. We will be lucky if we by some miracle can get all of our current 12812 humans off planet.

So how would we transport the gesters and still get all humans off planet? And remember, to get more ships we would first have to build a space station. And the cheapest ship costs 90 bp to build, we produce 18 per month.

>>135282

Where are you getting these figures from?

>>135286
Previous chapter. I was bit wrong about gravity it seems, I could have sworn i saw about one third somewhere. Still it's weak enough that it can cause bone and muscle athrophy in humans and the athmosphere is thin enough that humans get shortness of breath in a few minutes and need oxygen masks to function properly.

Our ships managed to get 10960 people out last time, and that was by cramming them full. 201 of those being nautli. We currently have a population of 12812 people. Our ships ran for 5 years straight without any of the needed maintenence or drydock overhauls. We have not had a chance to do so since and now it's been, like what another 5 years or more.

>>135287

And we also need lots more workers, plus given that we did come here, we have some responsibility to keep the Geisters from getting all slaughtered.

Thus, if we CAN fit geisters aboard, we should.

>>135296
Well even if we can the question is if we should. We might not get enough genetic diversity among them to make sure they don't go extinct from inbreeding.

And there is the tiny little fact that once they understand enough they will be able to connect two and two. Which is that we caused the extinction of their race for selfish reasons. We knew what we faced and what they were willing to do. And still we decided to settle down on a planet so close to them.

Without us landing there it's unlikely that the Breakers would have any intrest in killing the Gesters. If you check out the preview you see that the Breaker empire consists of four species. The Gesters would probably have been converted and then integrated into the empire if we hadn't shown up.

Still, we don't actually know if we can fit any gesters aboard. For now atleast we should draw up evacuation plans and make sure we have what we need to start up a new colony if we find another planet that works and is a safe distance away.

>>135269
forget the gesters. we need to either arm up or leave. if needed be, we can take genetic samples for studies later on.

>>135183
i like this. a frigate-sized vessel that would act like a apartment.

>Research has been switched to TRANSLATION ALGORITHM
i DONT like this.

we just got breaker weapons, we should research it in order to defend uselves.

also, consider the research takes 5 months while the warning from the anomaly to us is 2 months. even if we get a scout in the other side its only next round, so it could be too late already.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/20(Sat)18:46 No. 136394 ID: 35cea2
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You know when I said all problems were fixed? I LIED AGAIN! The spreadsheet accidentally counted all people in training twice. I fixed it now, but still there are more people alive than can fit into the starships.

>>134549
It is possible, as messages travel twice as fast as starships can. It is risky though, as the Breakers have proven they have some sort of stealth technology and might be able to intercept and destroy the scout ship before it can detect them.

>>135231
Current total capacity of all the starships in the fleet is 10,000 people and 12,000 units of cargo. There will certainly not be enough warning for the fleet to make two trips. Maximum range of the fleet would be determined by stockpiles of FUEL and FOOD (and to a lesser degree, MORALE) At our current population size, 200 units of FOOD will be consumed per turn, while 60 units of FUEL will be consumed per turn.


>>134809
Professionals have drafted a basic plan of what basically is a hollowed-out FRIGATE, able to transport about 2,000 people and 1,500 units of cargo. This would require an ORBITAL FACTORY to build and requires 2 RP to design.


The following buildings have been constructed:
MONUMENT:
7 MEDIUM LABS completed (VACANT)
1 HOSPITAL completed (VACANT)
SLATER:
1 MEDIUM LAB completed (VACANT)
1 MEDICAL OUTPOST completed (VACANT)


Ambassador NaNi has been informed of the threat the Gesters on Ithaka face. He will be meeting with the leaders of several other nearby tribes to explain what the Splinter will do. Spend the next few suggestions on directing the negotiations.

NaNi: Greetings friends. I bring grave news; The monsters that have chased the metal-people and their fish-allies to our world will inevitably arrive within a few years.
BH Leader: Why would this concern us?
TS Leader: Yes, why would the fate of the metal-people matter to us?

>>136394
"We fled because they destroyed our entire planet. It is unknown if they will do so again, here... they may simply invade and attempt a precision strike against our settlement, since we don't have a large presence here. Even so, consider that possibility. We may be able to bring some of you along with us as we once again flee their forces."

>>136394
Is it posible to research a way to enhance the BRIC armour with the same materials that make up the MBT's armour? Maybe we can mobilize the entire population and just stick it out long enough to build extra ships for an exodus of the entire (surviving) population.

Ok guys, it's time to rush for orbital stations. We need to pull out all the stop and build an orbital station right freaking now.

>>136394
Well the plan wasn't to make two trips once the breakers show up. The plan was to load up as many people we can right now, go through the anomaly, hoping against reason to find a planet where humans can survive real close to the other side and then send back half of the fleet to pick up the rest of the people.

As for the gesters. Tell them "We simply wanted you to know beforehand. We will be leaving." and that should be it. If we bring them along then their descendants will eventually figure out what happened. Which is that we caused the near extinction of their entire species because we were dumb fucks. I really don't think they're going to be all that keen on cooperating with us after that.

And it's not certain that the Breakers will wipe them out. They have a multiple species empire. The reason they wiped out mankind instead of invaded is because their god told them to.

But lets build a orbital facilty and get one of those hollowed out frigates built. We might be lucky and have enough time for that.

And the idea of arming the entire population to stick it out is very bad. Once the Breakers achieve fleet superiotiy around the planet they will be able to drop precision strikes on our forces and we would have no way to retaliate or get out people off planet. And we would be unable to attempt to hide by going native because humans can not survive completly unaided on Ithaka.

>>136400
This

Shouldn't that be 850 professionals done in 45 months, not 650?

In any case, that's hoping that the Breakers won't show up for a long time. Before I make a build order: Should I abandon that latest batch of dudes in training (850 professionals + 350 workers in 45 months) in favor of building ships instead? (And, if so, should I switch research AGAIN so we actually have ships to build?)


Also, I don't much see the point in trying to convince the Gesters to come with us. We can't really carry them. I don't have a clue what the correct solution is, there.

>>136692
I think shipbuilding should be priority number one. The more stuff and people we can bring along the better we're going to be off wherever we end up. The prisoners and corpses are not going anywhere so we can get to work on them at a later time, provided that we get a later time.

>>136692

Ideally we should have enough ships done by then. I suggest we go all out for ship building.

do not build ships until we get at least guns to protect them.

can we use intys in space? if so we should research breaker guns, then we make the apartment-frigate. we may need to make a frigate to act like the usual buildings too.

If possible, let's integrate schools into the ships we're building. Then we can train professionals during travel.

>>136739

What are the guns gonna do? We can't break breaker shields yet. Maybe if we could build breaker antiship cannons, but I doubt we've got time to research that.

NOW:
Load 6,000 Metal, 1,000 Ceramics, 140 Superconductors, 300 Uranium, 3,000 Food, and all Fuel into the Fleet, so we don't have to worry about that if we need to drop everything and run.
Halt (ugh) research of Translation Algorithm and begin researching Small Freighter instead.

Begin 1x MEDIUM FACTORY at MONUMENT
Begin 4x ORBITAL FACTORIES in SPAAAACE

In 2 Months:
SMALL FREIGHTER research completes.
Halt newest batch of WORKERS/PROFESSIONALS in training, freeing up 50 Professionals to staff the 4x Orbital Factories, plus as much of the Medium Factories as possible.
Investigate potential for FLYING SCHOOLS
<new turn>

Ed Pastry 2010/02/21(Sun)17:48 No. 136851 ID: 35cea2
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NaNi:I just wanted to inform you that the metal-people and their fish-allies will be leaving sometime in the near future. When they leave, there will likely be a massive explosion where their abandoned buildings stand, and the ground will be toxic for centuries."
EF Leader: Thank you for the warning.
BH Leader: Good riddance.

The following buildings have been constructed:
MONUMENT:
1 MEDIUM FACTORY
ORBIT:
4 ORBITAL FACTORIES

2 MEDIUM FACTORIES have been reactivated, and 2 COLLEGES have been shut down and the WORKERS and PROFESSIONALS training put on hold.

>>136739
Interceptors are space-capable fighters.


FREIGHTERS have been designed. They can carry 2000 people and 1,500 units of cargo. At the expensive of 500 units of cargo capacity, 500 units of people capacity, and the additional cost of the building, a SMALL FACTORY, SCHOOLHOUSE, SMALL LABORATORY, or a MEDICAL OUTPOST can be placed inside the FREIGHTER.


Also, a message has been received from the Anomaly.
"This is Lieutenant-Commander Sigurd, head of the away team. If you have received this message then we have arrived at the Anomaly two months ago. We have sufficient supplies for about two years. We will remain here until we receive further orders or run low on supplies."

Is NaNi coming with us?

With some flash cloning and genetic engineering, then the 25 geisters who joined us could actually be a viable population.

>>136851

Aren't they supposed to be opening it up and seeing where it leads?

Note: The resources listed are messed up. In actuality we have:
15061 METAL
3219 CERAMICS
226 SC
907 URANIUM
5758 FOOD

>>136880
NaNi and the other Gesters will be joining the fleet.

We don't have flash cloning technology...
Yet.

>>136881
It will take 2 turns for the order to activate the Anomaly to reach them and 2 more turns for them to reply.

Tell Kara to fire that pig up and tell us what's on the other side. If it leads to Hell I'd rather find out now.

Unless I'm mistaken, they only have a disc that leads to one location. If I am mistaken, try 'em both!

Build order pending.

NOW:
Set each ORBITAL FACTORY to construct a FREIGHTER
Set 2x Medium Factories to assist, bringing each Orbital Fac up to effective 12 BP per month. (ETC on the freighters: 7 Months)
Begin 7x MEDIUM CERAMISTS. (If we run out of workers, begin shutting down mines, smelters, morale structures, and other nonessential structures)

LAB: Proceed with research of Translation Algorithm.

Halt whatever factory build queue we had before.
NEW FACTORY QUEUE: (Enough for 1x Medium factory over 8 months)
5x Nuclear Bombs
1x Dropship
4x SPAAG

SHIPS TO BUILD:
1x with onboard MEDICAL OUTPOST
1x with onboard SMALL LAB
2x with onboard SCHOOLHOUSES


In 4 Months:
Begin 6x MEDIUM CERAMISTS
Begin 2x ORBITAL FACTORIES
Begin 1x MEDIUM FACTORY
Message from Anomaly returns
<new turn>

And if the expedition takes longer...

In 6 months:
200 PROFESSIONALS graduate. Put 20 to work on ORBITAL FACTORIES and 7 to work on the MEDIUM FACTORY
Activate two new Orbital Factories
Activate 1x Medium Lab
Activate 1x Small Lab (If we run out of pros, take some from the College, which is now operating at only 2/3 capacity)

Research goes from 1/month to 5/month.
LABS: Assist in research of TRANSLATION ALGORITHM followed by BREAKER INTERROGATION.

SHIPS TO BUILD:
2x with onboard SMALL LABs

In 7 months:
First 4x Freighters finish
Put 4x more into production

Only 1 month until 400 new Professionals graduate.
Research on TRANSLATION ALGORITHM and BREAKER INTERROGATION finishes... unless there's some minimum time needed for the interrogation itself.
<NEW TURN>


(PS: Start thinking of names for these freighters, guys.)

8 freighter names.............

Porky 1-8
...........................
AIG
Enron
Freddie Mac
Fannie May
Dot Com
.... maybe naming them after giant things that went kaboom is a bad idea.

I'm out of ideas.

Oh balls. We only have enough power between both the settlements for 7x additional Ceramists.

In 4 months, begin 1x MEDIUM GENERATOR at MONUMENT, to match demand.

Also, put up durable warning signs around the colonies. Maybe even statues of unhealthy looking Gesters making foreboding 'go away' signs, if we're feeling fancy. Start relocating natives in potential fallout zones. While doing this, discreetly obtain small skin/blood samples to build up a genetic database for future cloning needs.

Obtain more samples of native plants, wildlife, and microbiology. Who knows? A researcher might someday look at an alien extremophile and figure out how to grow food on some hostile world. Or engineer a Breaker-killing plague which won't work as well as advertised and make them ten times as devoted to killing us.

Got the names for the freighters:

AIG
Enron
Freddie Mac
Fannie May
Krakatoa
Vesuvius
Fat Man
Little Boy

>>136769
we do have. we got breaker gun tech to research, its the only thing we know it would work

id also like to set up a dropship-bus scheme. we use the dropships to make a public transport scheme when we are mobile in space.

also i need to know of one thing: from here to the anomaly is 2 months, the message also takes 2 months to travel to here? we have a problem, she can get poped by a stealth ship and we would be without warning.

>>137204
also also if we cant research breaker gun just now can we pretty please make some sort of orbital factory in a freighter?

Ed Pastry 2010/02/24(Wed)20:16 No. 138441 ID: 35cea2
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1 MEDIUM DERRICK in MONUMENT and 2 MEDIUM DERRICKS in SLATER have been shut down to free up enough energy for the new buildings. All stores have been shut down due to lack of goods to distribute.

The sudden loss of purchasable goods combined with the fact that the excitement from the first victory wearing off has led to a drastic drop of morale.

Numerous samples of Ithaka's wildlife has been collected and preserved, including some DNA samples of Gesters from all across the planet. The Gesters closest to the settlements have been relocated and warning signs have been erected around the blast zone.

The following buildings have been constructed:
MONUMENT:
4 MEDIUM CERAMISTS
SLATER:
3 MEDIUM CERAMISTS

The first batch of freighters are under construction.

1 of the 5 Breaker prisoners has died from disease. The remaining prisoners are transferred to sterilized prison cells in hopes of preventing further deaths.

A message was sent to the away team, telling them to activate the Anomaly and see what is on the other side. A reply arrives 4 months later:
"Lieutenant-Commander Sigurd here, we've activated the Anomaly. It looks like the eggheads were right about the thing: when we put the icon into the slot, some kind of huge portal appeared. The other side seems pretty safe and relatively normal, barring the red colored space. The other end of the portal is held open by another Anomaly, only smaller and without any of the buildings on it. Scans have picked up several stars in the vicinity. The eggheads have created a preliminary report on the stars on the other end. It is attached to the end of this message. The away team will remain at the Anomaly until briefed otherwise."
UA: White dwarf star, no planets.
UB: Main sequence yellow star, several planets. Strong radio chatter: Unknown advanced civilization is present. Definitely not Breaker.
UC: Red Dwarf, some planets.
UD: Main sequence orange star, several planets. Picking up some signals identical to the one the Anomaly emits when activated.

Use this build order for the next three months: >>136958
Except replace the Factory production from now on with Durable goods for the stores.(Finish building a nuke if we're midway through one)

ALSO: This month, upgrade the two Small Sea Derricks to Mediums. Cut Metal Derircks to free up manpower and smelting if necessary.

ALSO: Dispatch a Corvette, with orders to fly ahead of the fleet, through the Portal, to investigate a system. I vote UD.

We have some surplus workers for now. Perhaps we should start recycling some vacant buildings we can't reasonably use, such as colleges?

Also support UD.

How about searching for known stars/quasars/galaxies/whatever on other side of portal for triangulation? Or actualy checking if it is same universe?

>>138461
UD gets my vote as well.

Hopefully we can find a human friendly planet there and hopefully one without natives.

I'm also guessing here but I think UB hasn't achieved space flight advanced enough to cross over to a different star system yet. Otherwise I think they would have set up ouposts at UD and have some sort of scout force or warning system by the anomaly.

UD for now, let's stay away from any locals until we've completed evacuation.

Also: When should we start evacuating? I mean, the breakers have stealth. Would it be better to evacuate ahead of time?

>>138539
We should start evacuating as soon as we have the ships ready and loaded up.

I'm wondering if we should nuke our end of the anomaly after we go through it or not. If we figured out how to use it then the Breakers might do the same thing and then we're back where we started.

>>138540

It's definitely the safer option, though we don't know if they have a disk or not.

Nuking the Portal seems very regrettable, if perhaps necessary. There's more we could do with it, and more to be learned. On the other hand, we can't do any of these things if the Breakers find us again.

The only other concern is that UD is emitting signals similar to the portal machine. I hope nuking the platform won't result in the other artefacts tagging us as hostile and attacking with ancient weapons.

>When should we start evacuating?
My plan was to try interrogating the Breakers before deciding. As luck would have it, the interrogation should finish the same month that the first batch of new freighters completes.

The safe option is to evac as soon as we can, and never even put the two new shipyards to use, but it would be really useful (assuming we don't die) to stay six or so months longer, so we can research things like upgraded warp drives, breaker tech, and such.

we should not go to UD. we are leaving this sweet-ass planet with bare minimum atmosphere bearing the equivalent of 5 out of 6 numbers in space lotto because we need to hide, not to find a planet like it.

UA will asplode soon or has already asploded, so no.
UB contains either a pre-space age civilization or a colony of something that may or may not be allied to the breakers. even attempting to trade with them can be harmful to our position, plus actual lack of what to do with them asides diplomacy.
UC is viable. we arent staying long, we just need ore + fuel and we are out of there
UD is a obvious choice. asides the anomaly thing (wich may indicate another gate thus another choice there) i dont see why we should go.

anyone has the map from the anomaly again?

>>138545
>>138574

Actually, I think I've got a better idea: why don't we plant a nuke on the other end with a corvette with a dead man's trigger also watching.

If the breaker fleet comes through, we nuke the other end, closing it up. This has several advantages, the first being the breakers can't be sure of where we've gone (we might have escaped in normal space) and second we can still use the artifact if we ever get back there.

In order to prevent stealth ships slipping through, if the anomaly opens to the configuration of stars that can be observed looking back through from red space, and nothing comes through we detonate anyway.

>>138683
Okay, so after we flee through the anomaly, we leave a corvette on station at all times to blow up a nuke if Breakers fly through?

That's not as safe as blowing up the artifact behind us, but is still pretty safe.

Given the potential utility of the artifact (it's already letting us make a translation algorithm and warp drives potentially superior to Breaker ones!) I agree. We should go with this. There's a risk, but we have to take risks if we're going to do anything more than run away forever.

...plus, y'know, it's obviously a major plot device.

>>138691
It also has the advantage of blowing up the end we're on, not the end we passed through, in case the breakers have something as inconvenient as another artefact that can get to us.

Or you could check if icons must be present on both ends.
If yes, then simply remove icon in red space.
If no, then open portal from other end and take icon.

In latter case, you can keep corvette to watch anomaly in case breaker find other instalations.

>>138968

Just hope the portal stays open when we yank the icon out of it.

>>138691
i like this. its also more likely to work that to nuke the anomaly.

>>138968
if there is a anomaly in the other side we should do this. by the map on the discussion thread we should had 8 choices not 4, meaning we are missing some sort of return channel.

Ops, it appears that I didn't pay attention.
Re-reading original post, it appears that anomalies (Perhaps we should pick up a better name?) are generator-reciever system rather than generator-generator ala Stargate.
In this case, there probably should be reciever somewhere on our side.

Well, that make UD a priority. It also means that we (probably, unless reciever are too far away) can take icon after we leave, by generating portal from red space (lets call it Hub) and sending ship to take icon.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/27(Sat)18:33 No. 139742 ID: 35cea2
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A message was sent to the first away team on Vitium to explore the UD system, while Furor was sent to stay at the Anomaly to activate it at a moment's notice.

The following buildings have been constructed:
MONUMENT:
6 MEDIUM CERAMISTS
2 MEDIUM GENERATORS
1 MEDIUM FACTORY
2 MEDIUM COASTAL DERRICKS (Upgrade)
ORBIT:
1 ORBITAL FACTORY

The first 4 FREIGHTERS are completed. Due to a shortage of CERAMICS, only 5 FREIGHTERS are under construction instead of 6. Also, one MEDIUM GENERATOR was added to the build queue due to an energy shortfall.

The interrogation of the prisoners have been concluded. We have learned many imporant bits of information.
-We know the location of the Breaker fleet. We can expect them to arrive, at the earliest, at turn 40.
-The Breakers are part of a large empire (Zaj in their tounge, but also referred to as the "Union of Four" and the "Quadrium") consisting of 4 different species. Each species has its own clearly defined role within the empire; the Breakers defend and police it, the Makers construct new buildings, vehicles and goods, the Keepers service it and the Bringers act as leaders and religious figures.
-Their religion is focused on a single deity they refer to as the "Lord-of-All". They claim the deity speaks directly to their leaders to enact his will.
-Religion is extremely important to them; it pervades nearly every aspect of their lives and completely shapes their society. Due to taboos within their religion, they refuse to use genetic engineering, modify their bodies through surgery, colonize other planets, explore too far in the galaxy and numerous other things.
-One of the most interesting taboos is that they are not allowed to advance their technology. They claim their current technology is gifted to them from their god.
-The reason they destroyed Earth was because of a direct command from their god. Despite no other information save the reassuring word of their leaders, they seem utterly convinced that their mission is divine and are completely unfazed by the destruction of our planet.

The Breakers appear to have very little capacity for emotions and creativity and are either naturally dedicated followers or brainwashed very well.
-They have no knowledge of the Anomaly (or any other sentient races for that matter, though they state that they know others exist and that some worship their god.)

2 prisoners have survived interrogation. What should we do with them?

Ed Pastry 2010/02/27(Sat)18:34 No. 139744 ID: 35cea2
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The TRANSLATION ALGORITHM and BREAKER INTERROGATION researches have been completed. No new techs were unlocked.

>>139744
Breaker Autopsy and Warp Tech should be started asap.

>>139744
Let's tell the Gesters about our revised timeframe.

Research recommendations:
Breaker Autopsy, so we can figure out how to keep the prisoners alive, and how to kill them better.
Warp Tech, so we can GTFO better.
Breaker Weapons, for obvious reasons.
Breaker Vehicles, again obvious.

Preference goes to Warp tech, mind you.

>They have no knowledge of the Anomaly
they DONT know how to operate it?

we need to think in the long haul. if we have ~40 turns, lets consider 35 turns for safety. till then, what can we research of useful?

also i want autopsy now.

Breaker weapons first, we can do that real quick, then breaker autopsy.

We've got 2 years and 9 months before the breakers arrive, but I suggest we try to leave earlier rather than later. Preferable keep them guessing as to where we went

>>139742
Vivisection time for the two survivors. After that they're not likely to be survivors.

Lets go with breaker weapons first.
Warp tech after that.

And I think we should move as soon as we're ready to move. So once we have the ships ready and all our resources packed up we should leave. Once we're through the anomaly we can find a new planet and set up a new colony there. Hopefully one without natives and Breakers, then we can figure out long term plans.

>>139765

I'd say earlier. We should leave like turn 28, so we've got a full year to get through before they arrive.

>>139770
>find a new planet and set up a new colony there
we have been trhu this before. we wont find a new earth so soon much less a planet that looks half this good.

we are staying mobile.

Keep the last two Breakers alive. Do try to figure out if they're psionic or something, though. Seriously.

Transmit the Translation Algorithm to our portal expedition and try to decrypt the radio transmissions they're receiving from UB.

I vote we get the fleet moving either after we find a good place to build, or around 8 to 12 months before the Breakers show up. Maybe we could even send an expedition ahead of the main fleet to set up basic colony facilities, while allowing our scientists to benefit from our lavish research facilities until it's time to go.


TURN 11 (NOW):
Labs: Begin research on WARP TECH I
Factories: Build 6,000 Durable Goods

Dormant Orbital Factory: Begin comprehensive maintenance/tuneups of ships in orbit.

TURN 12:
Factories: Build 6,000 Durable Goods
400 new Professionals graduate.

Deactivate 2x Small Lab
Deactivate 1x Medical Outpost
Activate 3x Medium Labs
Activate 1x Hospital
Activate 3x Colleges

COLLEGES: Continue training of 850 Professionals and 350 Workers. Begin training 1,800 new Workers.

Professionals should now be distributed like this:
7 on Vitium
60 at 6x Orbital Factories
28 at 4x Medium Factories
25 at 1x Hospital
125 at 5x Colleges
500 at 4x Medium Lab
4 doing whatever

(NOTE: Now generating 12 RP per turn)

TURN 13:
Factories: Build 36,000 Nondurable Goods

TURN 14:
Research on WARP TECH I completes.
Begin research of BREAKER WEAPONRY. (ETC: 1 Turn)
<Take New Actions>

>>139814

Good idea, but I think we should add more research instead of training for now.

In long term, increasing number of workers and profesionals are better than research, but with breaker fleet incoming, we wouldn't be able to finish training them.

Admittedly, starting training now means less time to finish training after we relocate, so it mostly matter of personal preferences.

However, there are "Strength Implants" research topic. What if there are also "Neural Interface" somewhere? That should cut both manpower requirments AND likely shorten training time.

OOC speaking, such technology already exist (mostly experimental medical treatments), but also several commercial devices for PC (if mostly as novelity game controllers).

We should also test how long the Anomaly takes to deactivate when you pull the disk.

When we leave, I suggest we nuke anything we leave unsalvaged so it's obvious to the breakers we left. This makes things slightly harder for us, but it does mean they're unlikely to blow up the planet.

Also, put Schoolhouses in Krakatoa, Vesuvius, and Dot Com.

>>139794
I didn't say that we would. I mean that if we find a sweet planet without natives then we should consider putting up a colony there.

We can progress alot further faster if we're on a planet than if we're flying around in space. And planetside we won't have to put any restrictions on birth rates. And once we're on the other side of the anomaly we should be pretty breaker safe.

>>140109

Eventually we can go mobile after we're properly set up.

actualy ff53a9 has a good point. they fear transhumanism, we need transhumanism. after breaker weapon and warp tech, we really should do those implants and the likes

i think its safe to say we will need to plot the RP usage from this turn to turn 40

We should also finish computer systems 2 as soon as we can.

We should research breaker weapons then go onto instant communications.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/28(Sun)16:25 No. 140275 ID: 35cea2
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Due to worker and energy shortages, 2 MEDIUM METAL DERRICKS, 2 GREENHOUSES, 1 ORBITAL FACTORY and 2 FARMING DOMES have been shut down.

3 MEDIUM LABS, 1 HOSPITAL and 3 COLLEGES have been reactivated, and training of new workers has begun.

The availability of both DURABLE and NONDURABLE GOODS as well as the activation of the HOSPITAL has bumped morale back up to perfect.


WARP DRIVE 1 now allows all new ships to move at 2 parsecs per month. It costs 6 SC and 6 ORBITAL BP to upgrade a CORVETTE, 12 SC and BP to upgrade a FRIGATE or FREIGHTER, 24 SC and BP to upgrade the DESTROYER and 48 SC and BP to upgrade the CARRIER. This means it will cost 132 SC and ORBITAL BP to upgrade every ship except the Furor and Vitium.

Ed Pastry 2010/02/28(Sun)16:27 No. 140276 ID: 35cea2
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>>139814
Further tests on the prisoners show they have no abnormal brain activity.




New Tech unlocked:
INSTANT COMMUNICATION: Enables a new building/ship component that enables messages to arrive instantaneously, regardless of distance. This tech is also will upgrade the scanners on ships.

Let's finish computers when breaker weapons finishes, then go immediately onto instant comms.

We have no idea how much minerals etc. we'll have on the other end, so I suggest we stockpile as much stuff (especially food and super conductor) as we can.

Is it possible to pack a farm dome into a freighter? Or at least a ton of local soil so we have a growth medium?

>>140276
>INSTANT COMMUNICATION

Sure is XENOCIDE in here

Breaker weapons > Computer tech

we need the breaker stuff. seriously, we may not even be able to do this when we leave.

I know what to do with the prisoners.

Brainwash them.

>>140286
...actualy you DO have a point.

if we give them implants or gengineer them will their minds break?

can i question them on that? altho i think id like to see more of them from a authopsy.

Breaker Weapons, Breaker Vehicles, then Breaker Autopsy.

Meanwhile let's retrofit all our ships (except the two big ones) with Warp Tech.

I think we can finish research on breaker weapons and vehicles in a single month. We'll be researching stuff much more quickly from now on.

Trouble is, that means we need a new update for every one or two months. Gonna be slow progress, unless we're willing to kinda suck it up and research multiple things at a time. (Meaning that it could be a few months before we start research on whatever comes after Breaker guns, assuming there is such a tech)

So... should we go for one month to research just breaker tech, or multiple months, to also research Instant Comms and get some upgrades done?

>>140295

Well, I think we're gonna need to rolling up grade everything anyway. Let's do Breaker tech anyway. That way, if any advanced guards turn up, we might be in position to kill them off with their own weapons, that's always lulz.

>>140295
can you make a upgrade list to fit the buildings upgrade and shuttle construction?

it would be best to also have new turns when new tech pops up. so far we really need all breaker tech and better comms, but we really should do transhumanism asap.

also improved mass production could help to keep the population happy. if it frees BP for the orbital factory even better.

After we upgrade something with instant comm. and enhanced warp we should send it through to join up with the away team, maybe pulling one of their ships back, so we've got a direct line to them.

I'mma go ahead and do a build order for multiple months, researching multiple techs. It'll take that long to upgrade the engines on all the ships anyway.

Month 14 (NOW):
Demobilize 50 Light Infantry to serve as workers, to reactivate the sixth Orbital Factory. (If that doesn't work, shut down a store.) Begin upgrading ships with new engines, starting with the smallest.
(18 BP used by ground factories this month)
Begin research on BREAKER WEAPONRY and BREAKER VEHICLES (ETC for both: 1 Month)

Month 15:
Research on BREAKER WEAPONRY/VEHICLES completes with 1 RP to spare.
Begin research on INSTANT COMMUNICATIONS (ETC: 2 Months)
(Upgrades: 12BP spent)
(18 BP used by ground factories this month)

Month 16:
(Upgrades: 24BP spent)
(18 BP used by ground factories this month)

Month 17:
3x new Freighters completed. 4x Orbital Factories devoted to Upgrade Effort.
Research on INSTANT COMMUNICATIONS finishes with 5 RP to spare.
Begin research on BREAKER AUTOPSY (ETC: 1 Month)
(Upgrades: 36BP spent)
(18 BP used by ground factories this month)

Month 18:
2x new Freighters completed. 5x Orbital Factories devoted to Upgrade Effort. (1x Inactive)
(Upgrades: 72BP spent so far.)
Research on BREAKER AUTOPSY finishes with 2 RP to spare.
Some day I will research genetically engineered sergal marines and no one will notice until it's too late.
Resume research on COMPUTING SYSTEMS II
(27 BP used by ground factories this month)

Month 19:
Ship Engine Upgrades complete.
Research COMPUTING SYSTEMS II finishes with 2 RP to spare.
<New Action>

Ground factories produce 99 BP of things in this time period:
69,000 Nondurable Goods
2x Interceptors

>>140383
Agreed on batch reserach decision
>Some day I will research genetically engineered sergal marines and no one will notice until it's too late.
DO IT.

>>140383
Sounds pretty good.

But if we're gonna have sergal space marines I think we're going to need more genetical engeneering. And could we make them alien style chest bursters? Just imagine the look of shock on a breaker face once a NORTHERN SERGAL bursts out of his chest and starts eating his face.

>>140429
Yes, we need to be able to make an army of Rain clones. Just point them in the right direction and ask that they never return.

Generic sergal clones will probably be best.

>>140383

Next time we've got spare BP, we should really replace our losses against the Breakers, more BRICs, Tanks and gunships etc, especially given we might see more ground fighting on the other end.

>Some day I will research genetically engineered sergal marines and no one will notice until it's too late.
what? nonononononono.
no.

just no.

Tozol Corp!

>>140604
we lost one BRIC and thats it i think. we need intys, they work on spess.

also spess muhreens. and valkyries. and singing diplomats.

>>140754
How about tozols modified to grow fluffy sergal fur?

>>140784

Given Penji's regeneration I doubt we'll have the genetic engineering capacity to build Tozol in the foreseeable future.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/03(Wed)18:46 No. 141638 ID: 35cea2
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All ships have been upgraded, 5 FRIGATES have been completed and 100 POWER INFANTRY have finished their training.

Due to COMPUTING SYSTEMS II, two new drones have been unlocked:
REAVER: An oversized WEAVER with less scanning equipment and instead a machine pistol built into it. It is fairly cheap, can be stuffed en masse into dropships (about 200 can fit in one) and can be remote controlled for improved performance. Drawbacks include it's lack of tactical intelligence, slow speed, weak weapon and the fact it is easy to destroy.
TEST PATTERN: UAV that can be used for scouting missions and can be equipped with 4 anti-ground weapons (AG missile, frag bombs or napalm canisters). It is a great scout and can provide useful fire support, but it is somewhat expensive and easy to shoot down.


The fleet now will use 105 FUEL per turn in space. Strategists recommend stockpiling more fuel from the nearby nebula or building an electrolysis plant or two.

Information has been received from the away team at UD. The planet the signals are coming from is a mostly tropical planet. Medieval age natives have been detected in large amounts on the planets surfaces. The away team's food supplies is going low, so they will return to Ithaka immediately.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/03(Wed)18:46 No. 141639 ID: 35cea2
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Research has been completed on the following:
BREAKER WEAPONS: Breaker weapons are plasma-based. They work by firing a small shred of superconductor which carries the plasma around it. Homing plasma bolts, like those seen by Breaker Anti-Aircraft platforms, fire a superconductive missile. We cannot fabricate these weapons until we research how to create the strange alloys used in its construction.
BREAKER VEHICLES: Breakers vehicles are surprisingly not much more advanced than human vehicles, except for the fact that they use more advanced motors to power them. We cannot fabricate these vehicles until we research how to create the strange alloys used in its construction.
BREAKER AUTOPSY: Breakers are carnivorous creatures. They have less brain mass than humans do, but are around as intelligent due to the fact that they sacrifice the capacity for complex emotions or creativity, as well as saving brain space due to having no sense of smell. Reproduction works mostly the same with them as humans, though they have nearly no secondary sex characteristics.
COMPUTING SYSTEMS II: New drones have been unlocked.
INSTANT COMMUNICATIONS: Messages can travel instantly across space. An instant communicator costs 5 SC, 5 METAL and 5 BP (ground factory). They can be added to starships, dropships, or any building. Also, ship scanners are more sensitive and can detect stealth within ¼ of a parsec.

New techs unlocked:
COMPUTING SYSTEMS III: Enables more advanced drones and AI
WARP TECH II: Allows another upgrade to ship speed.

Some techs have been unveiled, but are unresearchable do to prerequisite techs:
BREAKER ALLOYS: Allows fabrication of a new resource necessary to allow us to copy Breaker weapons and vehicles. Was unveiled by BREAKER VEHICLES.
IMPROVED MOTORS: Improves the power of strength implants and power armor. Was unveiled by BREAKER VEHICLES.
FUSION CASTERS: New type of weapon that fires a high pressure jet of plasma. Upgrade to the flamethrower. Was unveiled by BREAKER WEAPONS
BREAKER PLAGUE: Develops a disease that afflicts only Breakers. Effectiveness of potential disease is unknown. Was unveiled by BREAKER AUTOPSY

I say:

Genetic Engineering III, Strengthened Materials, then Breaker Alloys.

Retrofit all our starships with the Instant Communications devices. Can we communicate to our other forces, and tell them how to make these devices so that they may also communicate with us?

Ok.

Let's research tankers and build several then grab a whole bunch of fuel out of the nebula, (maybe build an electrolysis plant in a freighter if we can, so we'll have a ready supply on the other side if we need to do anything fancy)

This waiting is gnawing at me, when can we leave? Or do you guys think we should send a second away team through the anomaly for more investigation?

Finally, we also need to check how fast the anomaly closes when you pull the disk out. We should do this now before we go through it.

>>141654
Agreed. We realy should set departure date. Perhaps around turn 30?

Looks like the ones that built the anomaly regressed or UD was not their homeplanet but a colony/research station and the natives are not the same as the ones that built the anomaly.

Lets send in the second away team to check out UC.

It might be a good idea to build an extra freighter whose only task is to transport fuel, or a couple of electrolysis plants. I'm not really certain on either one.

And turn 30 sounds like a good time to pull out and load everything up. As for tech, I think we should start off with Mass production II, that one seems to unlock some stuff that might be useful. After that I think Genetic engineering sounds like a good idea.

By the way I have some other things to ask our surviving prisoners. Which is, how does their stealth system work. What are the coordinates for their home system and how big is their fleet guarding their home system.

>>141896

It's possible there are simply more artefact's buried under UD's surface. We should also be cautious in case the natives are more than they seem.

I prefer the Turn 28 deadline, that gives us a full year to get out.

We should check out UC, though a red dwarf colony is gonna suck. Also we need to get the translator working on the signals from UA.

I suggest our research priorities should be Tankers and Warp 2.

>>141652
this.

we can extend things a bit, if we hide in the nebula we can maybe pull 3 or 4 more turns. it should be safe to leave by turn 30.

also consider the breaker disease instead of the nuke in our home bases. leaving some pistol drones behind just to feight activity sounds about right

>>141896
Fuel is just another type of cargo. No specialised freighter needed.
Electrolysis plants have horrible output, we will need to build them in large numbers.


For reserach, we will get about 120-130 RP generated by the turn 30. Warp II sounds very good, but perhaps combination of both GE III and CS III plus several other techs will be better? CS and GE looks like our "fundamental" research directions, ones that don't produce much instant benefit but open new options and improve life in general.

Also, that CS III+ImprMP+EngUpg - for some reason it sounds like worker robots to me.
I hope they wouldn't be designed by Cylon corporation...

>>141998
we shoulnt make robots that are intelligent yet, we should make better humans. the breaker are scared of this.

we could go all borg or we could get matrix'd. either choice we should remmeber to stay as a union of "hyoomans"

>>142008
Better humans are always good, but unless we start producing/cloning babies like mad, we will be seriously short-handed for next few decades even with massive population growth rate Ed set.

However, I do not propose using "strong" AI. System capable of replacing a worker will pretty much solve most of our manpower problems.

>>142026
We could probably damage the breakers alot without a very high amount of manpower, and the method would allow us to gain manpower while it was working.

If we get the coordinates for the breaker home system and what planet they're living on we should be able to calculate where said planet will be at a given time. Then we send a couple of factory ships to the area around Ithaka, find a nice moon and set up shop there. What we're going to do then is construct a shitload of solar arrays on the moons surface and make sure that some of them are always facing the star. Then we build some motherfucking huge railgun batteries, fire away say fivehundred 50 ton breaker alloy bars at say 60+% light speed against their home planet and then we wait around until they hit. Which should be a couple of decades or a century down the road. Giving us ample amounts of time to get our population going and our industry going.

A month or so after the breakers planet has been hit we send in a fleet for a mop up operation and take down any off world installations or fleets they have in the system.

>>142029
a sound plan for a couple of decades. id like something for this lifetime, seriously.

why cant we just research breaker disease and send a small reentrance resistance container to their planet? they dont know how to mess with machines, i doubt they know medicine to research a cure.

>>142031
We would need atleast 100 live breakers as a test group for that research. Getting our hands on that many living ones could be quite difficult.

>>142029
Great plan. Seriously. There are just few problems.
One. Range/Time - it's not "few decades, perhaps century". It's "few centuries at minimum".
Two. Targets - there are no single Breaker homeworld that you can take out to end the war. Our enemy are multi-stellar alliance of four races. We will need to strike all of them, with time-on-target volleys that will hit them within time span of month or two between first and last.
Overall, neither is something that is insurmountable problem, but as combination, it is simply not feasible.

>>142031
Frankly, anti-Breaker disease is bad idea. Leaving aside possibility of mutation (both in plague and Breakers :)), even if it is 100% lethal, we can't assure that there wouldn't be survivors.
Also, there is old argument about our appearance in eyes of other species - using Breaker methods will paint us as no better than them. Something to keep in mind.

BTW, we probably should move to discussion thread.

>>142035
what? the breaker doesnt do this. we are doing far worse witha disease made to wipe them. i however completely lost the requirement of 100 live tests subjects. a nuke it is then.

>>142035

An anti-breaker disease might actually work.

You seed several hundred of the virus on a time-based delay (using radioactive isotopes) in the captured Breakers. You let them get rescued.

The first shell of the virus breaks, allowing it to harmlessly spread. Inevitably there will be mutations, but they will eventually go back to their planet.

The final 'shell' of the virus triggers (over this period of time there would likely be a few early breakouts-but by the time this happens it would be far too late) and proceeds to cause widespread death.

This is the first hit on a one-two punch. A setup for managing an invasion later.

>>142076
Radioactive decay doesn't work that way. It's probabilistic, not deterministic.
Besides, you're much better off giving it a long infectious incubation period followed by a rapid-onset death.
Or, if outright genocide is more your cup of tea, then have it attack reproductive tissue so that all children are born sterile. By the time they realized that the problem even existed they would already be genetically dead.

>>142080
that would be pretty good. the are forbidden from genetic engineering so they would not be able to fix it.

>>142084

They seem to be genetically engineered, thus what made them could well fix it.

If we're leaving as late as turn 30, I strongly suggest we need Warp II for even faster ships. I would be much happier leaving at the latest turn 28

We should maybe research improved mass productions and engines first though, cause that'll only take 2 months.

Then we upgrade everything with warp 2 and rabbit for the Anomaly. (Can we please test what happens when we pull the disk first?)

BTW: did we ever check the other systems on this side of the anomaly?

If not, we should send a ship with an instant communicator to check them before we leave.

Turn 19 (NOW):
Transmit to the Anomaly telling the second Corvette to return home. (ETA: Turn 25)
Shut down 2x Orbital Factories, freeing up 100 Workers and 20 Professionals
Shut down 10x Medium Ceramists, freeing up 750 workers. (The reason for so many ceramists was shipbuilding, but we don't really have time for more of that before we have to go. We'll leave 8x running just in case we have time to upgrade our ships with better hulls and it requires a ton of ceramics.)
Reactivate 1x Medium Metal Derrick

Switch food production to Morale-Boosting grade.

Begin building 4x Medium Factories (ETC: Turn 21)
Begin building 3x Medium Sea Derricks (ETC: Turn 21)
Begin deconstructing 6x inactive Medium Ceramists, all 3x inactive Small Metal Derricks at Monument, and all 4x inactive Medium Labs. (Why did I build so many?)

Put 3x Frigates (ETC: Turn 28) and 1x Freigther (ETC: Turn 26) into production at the remaining Orbital Factories. Give the frigates Kinetic Lances. Put a School in the Freighter.
If nobody suggests anything better, name the frigates 'Prokhorovka,' and 'Dezful,' and 'Medina Ridge,' and the freighter 'Tunguska.'
Begin Research on Improved Mass Production (ETC: Turn 21) (Uses the 2 spare RP listed, for simplicity's sake)
Factory Production (72 BP minus 36 for ships = 36):
20BP: 4x Instant Comm Devices (What should we call these? Ansibles? Palantír?)
10BP: 1x TestPattern UCAV
6BP: 1,000x Durable goods

Turn 20:
Dispatch 2x Freighters with a Corvette escort to the Nebula to fill up on Fuel. (2,000 units plus whatever the Corvette can hold) Give an Instant comm/Palantir to test it out.

Factory Production (72 BP minus 36 for ships = 36):
30 BP: 3x TestPattern UCAVs
6BP: 1,000x Durable goods

Turn 21:
3x Medium Sea Derricks finish construction. Production becomes 72 units of delicious superconductors per month.
4x Medium Factories finish construction. If the expedition has returned, activate all 4x at full capacity. If it hasn't, take 4 Professionals from the Hospital and run that at reduced capacity for a few months.
Research on Improved Mass Production finishes with 11 RP to spare. Medium Factories now produce 21 BP each.
Begin Research on Strengthened Materials (ETC: Turn 23)
Factory Production (168 BP minus 36 for ships = 132
120BP: 8x Interceptors
6BP: 1,000x Durable goods
6BP: 2x Bunker Buster Bombs

Turn 22:
Factory Production (168 BP minus 36 for ships = 132
120BP: 8x Interceptors
6BP: 1,000x Durable goods
6BP: 2x Bunker Buster Bombs

Turn 23:
Research on Strengthened Materials finishes with 3 RP to spare. (I'm assuming these Spares aren't wasted, since researchers presumably go right to the next thing)
<New Actions>


Factory work Summary:
16x Interceptors
4x UCAVs
4x Instant Communicators
4x Bunker Buster Bombs
4,000x Durable Goods

>>142227
can we only partially deconstruct buildings? we need to make it look like its still functional but just for a few moments. scavengins some metal sounds good now...

make some reaver as well. the city must attract them before asploding completely.

altho it could be a nice idea to trap one of the cities to capture the 100 breaker needed for the breaker virus tech...

We already named 8 freighters? If this is #9 then name it the Death Star. Maybe the Hindenburg.

Remember, all freighters are to be named after big things that blew up.

>>142300
Well fuck, just read up. Name #9 the Death Star and #10 the Hindenburg.

>>142302
Or St. Helens, Yellowstone, Tsar Bomba, Dresden...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

...I should have asked this a dozen turns ago, but would it be possible to research Large Labs?

I guess at this point it'd make sense to wait for Large Buildings, which I assume comes after Strengthened Materials.

And speaking of that, let's deliberately avoid implementing the free building durability upgrade when that finishes researching.

Mph, I guess we won't finish warp 3 under Test's build :|

>>142349
about my trap idea, how many dropship-building could we make?

also large labs now? maybe if we make it into only one freighter. we must research tech we will need to escape and do skirmish battles.

>>142389
warp 2 is already quite faster that the breaker for what we saw. let it be for a while.

We should send an expedition to begin building a colony now if we can (unless we think we're close to large buildings, at which point maybe we should research that first)

About how many workers would we need to do that?

>>142412
we are not building anything so close to us. we have about 2 years to find somewhere "nice", and that is a freaking long travel if you consider we have another anomaly less that 6 month away.

what's is being proposed is to go through the anomaly gate and then seal it behind us. the breakers will have to go the long way around to get to us again.

Did the scouts find evidence of mineral resources on or around the tropical planet?

I concur that we should send a team ahead of the main colony effort, to UD, but I'm not sure what ships and how many dudes need to be sent to build essentials. I guess six freighters could make a small base plus a big pile of colleges and labs so we don't lose two months of valuable training and research time. Of course, that assumes that the natives present no difficulty. (But if they do, might be best to find that out before the main body of colonists arrive)

Total one-way time from Ithaka to UD should be around four months, with the new drives.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/06(Sat)12:20 No. 142957 ID: 35cea2
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>>142504
The planet was scanned briefly, revealing it had all resources necessary. Unfortunately, SUPERCONDUCTORS deposits are rather small, so those derricks on the planet will work at about 1/3 capacity.

>>142349
Large Buildings is now an available tech, making the point of researching a large lab somewhat pointless.

>>141896
The prisoners are regular footsoldiers and thus do not know how their own stealth systems work. They are unsure of the exact coordinates of their homeworlds, but one of them draws an estimate.

The following buildings have been constructed:
MONUMENT:
4 MEDIUM FACTORIES completed
3 MEDIUM COASTAL DERRICKS completed

200 more LIGHT INFANTRY have been demobilized to create more WORKERS. We have run out of soldiers with preliminary worker training now, no more demobilization is possible. We currently have 360 WORKERS who can be remobilized into LIGHT INFANTRY.

DOMES and GREENHOUSES are now producing high quality food.

The IRA, VESUVIUS and KRAKATOA have been sent to collect FUEL from the nebula. They return next turn with about 3500 FUEL. The VITIUM and FUROR will return around turn 26.

Call me crazy, but maybe we should start training some non-workers into light infantry

Ed Pastry 2010/03/06(Sat)12:23 No. 142959 ID: 35cea2
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Research has been completed on the following:
IMPROVED MASS PRODUCTION: SMALL FACTORIES get 1 more BP, MEDIUM FACTORIES get 3 more BP and so on.
STRENGTHENED MATERIALS: All armor on buildings, vehicles and infantry have been improved slightly.

New techs unlocked:
LARGE BUILDINGS: Unlocks all large buildings.

>>142959
I think we should get engine upgrade and streangth upgrade to see what they unlock.

I think we should build some more gunships for air patrols if we're going to settle on UD.

id go for breaker alloy. its the real only thing missing for weapons effective against the breaker.

>>143004
i agree, but the peformace stuff should wait till we re-settle our industry hopefully somewhere beyond UD.

i think the hidden one after engine upgrade is generator upgrade. makes the most sense.

Turn 23 (NOW):
Shut down 4x Medium Metal Derricks (Leaving only two active, for 300 metal per month, and freeing 300 Workers)
Begin building 4x MEDIUM COASTAL DERRICKS (ETC: Turn 25)
RANSACK 2x Orbital Factories, 6x Land Derricks, 2x Medical Outposts, 2x Small Labs, and 2x Farming Domes for Superconductors. (These took 48S to build)
Begin Research on Genetic Engineering III (ETC: Turn 27)
Begin training 200 Crewmen and 500 Light Infantry (ETC: Turn 29)

Turn 24:
Dispatch IRA, CONTEMNO, FAT MAN, VESUVIUS, TUNGUSKA, and KRAKATOA back to the nebula to get even more FUEL. I don't actually know how much fuel the fleet stores outside of normal cargo holds, but this should hopefully top them up. (Returns: Turn 28)

Turn 25:
4x COASTAL DERRICKS complete. Superconductor production becomes 108/month.

Turn 26:
Away Teams return home. Hope they're bored of it in four months.
Freighter Tunguska launches. Orbital factory starts upgrading Vitium and Furor with Warp II drives. (ETC: Turn 27)

Turn 27:
Drive upgrades complete.
Shut down and ransack now-empty Orbital Factory (contains 10 supers)
Research on Genetic Engineering III completes with 5 RP to spare. Population growth increases.
Begin Research on Improved Engines (ETC: Turn 28)

Turn 28:
Ships return from the nebula with 7000 Fuel. (Fuel Total should now be 11,000 or so. That should be enough to top off the tanks, seeing how there's no nebula in the new region and Electrolysis plants are weak)
3x Frigates launch.
Shut down All Orbital Factories and Ceramists, freeing up a bazillion workers.
Begin prepping sites for demolition. Start moving belongings into the Fleet. (We have 2x as much living space as we need, so people can probably bring belongings)
Remove or destroy hints about where we're going.
Ransack Orbital Factories for superconductors (contain 30 S)
Research on Upgraded Engines completes with 7 RP to spare. Begin research on Strength Implants.

Turn 29:
500 Infantry and 200 Crew finish training.
<New Actions, where we decide how to GTFO and what to bring>


FACTORIES: 705 BP produced in this time. (Not counting orbital usage)
36BP spent on 6,000 Durable Goods (Yeah, I'm just letting the Nondurables run out. Who uses paper in the future anyway?)
210: 14x Interceptors
100: 10x UCAVs
120: 20x Main Battle Tanks (10x with Railguns)
60: 20x SuperBRICs (MMAA)
60: 10x MLRS
45: 1x Dropships
72: 12x Gunships
2: 2x LUVs

Cost estimate: 1980 metals, 2210 ceramics, 219 superconductor, 297 uranium

(Plus 12 SC for upgrading Warp Drives)

Was there other stuff we wanted to do before we left? Maybe we could drop durable books in Gester language explaining basic science and medicine?

think the only thing we should uplift them on is farming methods, like crop rotation and stuff.

other then that i think we are good.

>>143208

Leave them proper books, but somewhere concealed so the breakers won't see trace of them right away.

I vote non-interference with any alien races. If we taint them with our evil, the Breakers will destroy them too.

actualy the book on farming andmaybe how to treat and recognize radiation poisoning is a great idea if we can make sure they only get it in a couple of months, like a time lock.

it would help mitigate the effects of slow death by radiation clouds and whatever more we did to them, if that only happens in a few months then the rbeaker will be less suspicious of it.

>>143229
I second this. It will probably not happen because people have hardon for aliens but whatever. When the gesters are wiped out because we left them books I'm not going to shed any tears.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/10(Wed)19:36 No. 145279 ID: 35cea2
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The dropships begin to ferry belongings and resources into the dropships. The Infractus has enough room for all the vehicles to be loaded, but total cargo space for the whole fleet is 27500 units (not including FUEL, of which the fleet can carry 21,000 units)

Nukes have been placed in locations underneath SLATER and MONUMENT.

Several Gester settlements have been gifted durable books filled with information regarding farming.
Most Gester settlements are far enough away from the blast sites and the signs erected should deter those that do manage to get too close, but to be on the safe side the nearby Gester tribes have also have been gifted books with information about the dangers of the irradiated areas and how to treat radiation poisoning. Most settlements graciously accepts the gifts, but the more xenophobic tribes refuse them.

With the discovery of STRENGTH IMPLANTS, medical buildings can now begin augmenting people. MEDICAL OUTPOSTS give 1 Implant Point (IP), HOSPITALS get 3 and the next larger one gets 9 and so forth.
Minor augmentation of 20 people costs 1 IP, 5 SC and 5 CERAMICS. Implantees are much stronger, more durable and have more stamina. Implantees can pick up a 100kg weight easily and can take small arms fire to the chest.
Major augmentation of 5 people takes 1 IP, 5 SC and 5 CERAMICS. These implantees are nearly as strong as a person in power armor, can sprint for hours without a break and can take an assault rifle round pretty much anywhere on the body without major damage.
The main drawbacks to augmentation aside from its cost is the fact that the implantees sometimes suffer complications and may even die from augmentation. Improvements in genetic engineering should reduce the risk or even eliminate it entirely.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/10(Wed)19:38 No. 145280 ID: 35cea2
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New techs unlocked:
THRUSTER UPGRADE: INTERCEPTORS and DROPSHIPS now move faster.
GESTATION TANKS: Allows construction of the gestation tanks building. Nonworkers can be created at them. Enables the DESIGN NEW LIFEFORM tech.

Looks like we can carry... pretty much everything, actually.

Here I thought 11k fuel would be more than max, but it's only about half.

Think we should leave ASAP, or stay a little longer for more fuel and supers? The Breakers shouldn't arrive until Turn 40... unless the prisoners were mistaken. Or lying.

>>145308
best to leave now, let the trail go cold before they arrive.

also I say we put all our research into gestation tanks and improved augmentations so we can breed an army of augmented super workers/soldiers

>>145315
you mean Tozols?

I agree on the Gestation Tanks tech. Let's research that during travel.

And yes, let's leave now. Make our trail as cold as possible.

>>145280
I think we should go for computing systems III instead, as it will finish faster, and we might get some interesting stuff out of it.

>>145352
it will also show us what the heck uses computer3, engine up, and mass prod.

>>145328
That sounds like a good name for them imo.

>>145308
I think we should leave now. But we don't have to go straight at the anomaly, we can take a small detour to the nebula and fill up our tanks there.

Lets get computer systems III out of the way. Gestation tanks isn't really that useful unless we can build them.

I'm for leaving now, computer system 3 on the way.

Leave ASAP. Our prisoners are army rather than fleet, meaning that any estimate are inacurate - it is enterely possible that turn 40 is on "cruise" speed, and full speed could be faster.
Also, they were out of contact with others for some time and there are Breaker forces much closer than they through.

>>145308
frankly, i want more SC, ceramics and FRIGATES with breaker guns. we should make some superhumans once we manage to dim the danger of the implants. and by some i mean all of them. even the gesters.

i seriously want you guys to consider making one more nuke for our anomaly AND to go beyond UD.

i also see we arent only going transhuman, we are also going transcivilization. we could use gestation tanks if we ever make some sort of personality backup, desining new lifeforms would be interesting when making a new terraformed planet, but this wouldnt work in a civilization. a worker RACE? a commanding RACE? we arent making our own breaker, we are making better humans at everything.

As previously mentioned, our major problem is a lack of manpower. Gestation tanks will help with that.

Then we should dive straight into mass production and go from there. In the meanwhile...

1. Create a simple AI/bot system to watch the camp attached to the hidden nukes. When it detects enough enemy units, have it set to go off. May as well do as much damage as possible.

OR

2. Blow it all up, leave early, and deliberately plant evidence that there was some sort of internal squabble and that we destroyed ourselves. While it may be thoroughly studied, it will still take them a significant amount of time before they deem whether it is true or not.

>>145718

Let's not get overcomplex.

Maybe we should just plant an instant comm to check if the Breakers blow up the planet or not.

>>145757

It's not really that complicated. Just an "if, or" action. I can't see any reason to do anything else.

>>145757
It's a bit of a waste to use an instant comm for that though. We're not going to be able to intervene anyway so knowing in realtime when it's getting blown up or if it's getting blown up would just be a waste of resources.

Changed my mind. Blow it up before the Breakers arrive. Also set up a surveilance system, a networked system at various places around the world so we can get good readings.

Eh, let's get out of here.

I'm sure we'll find some other source of fuel and superconductors.

Load everything onto the ship, including the monument. Blow the nukes while we're in orbit, so we can make sure it's good and nuked.

>>145838
jeebus h. crhist.

we are fleeing without breaker weapons nor spare nukes to take out the anomaly?

make one spare nuke. do the anomaly with a timer on the nuke when we pass the anomaly.

>>145849
We don't need to nuke the anomaly dude, we can just take the disk out.

Nuking the anomaly doesn't actually gain us anything, as was said earlier, what we need to do is rig a nuke to the receiving station so we we can blow that up if a breaker fleet comes through later.

>>145853
it could work, but its kinda passive. also another neutral fleet may come trhu, thus ensuring great diplomatic issues to us.

they can still use the anomaly to cut a path to UD, since without our disk they would follow another path to UD and thus never get to the nuke we would place there.

since i poasted:
disregard>>145849
id like a few reavers to be made. i want them positioned maybe even in space with grenades to simply report the number of ships in the breaker fleet, then pull the pin.

i also strongly suggest breaker alloy tech to be researched. weapons will be needed!

Ed Pastry 2010/03/17(Wed)18:51 No. 148928 ID: 35cea2
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The ships have been loaded with all personnel, resources, equipment and vehicles. The nukes have been detonated, eliminating all evidence of human presence on Ithaka (aside from the smoldering radioactive craters).

Morale is more on the ships is rather poor, though it certainly isn't even close to as bad when they fled Earth.

The buildings in our FRIGATES give us 3 RP, 1 IP, teaching space for 1200 people and some protection against sickness and death for the duration of the voyage.

The destination is UD, and the journey will take about 4 turns. When the fleet passes the Anomaly, the disc will be pulled and the portal will close behind us.

If there is no last minute suggestions the fleet will commence.

No, let's go go go.

We might want to leave a ship with a nuke on the other end of the anomaly as planned right away though, just in case.

just in case what? the disks cannot be recreated. once the portal closes the only thing they can do is poke at it or blow it up.

let's just go.

>>148933

In case the breakers have a disk and come through right after us cause it's kinda obvious that's where we went.

>>148936
only one disk that opens this particular portal exists. even if the breakers have a disk it will open a different portal.

>>148928
Go go go.

>>148942

Do we know that? Are you willing to bet your life on that against just leaving one ship to watch the portal... don't we want to watch the portal anyway in case something else comes through from somewhere else in the net?

>morale is poor
Can't say I blame them. There's no helping it, though.

I say switch research to Thruster Upgrade. Otherwise, proceed as planned.

>>148928
Go through the portal. It's time to explore another final frontier and bravely go where no man has gone before. Well except for the scout team, but they don't count.

make a few reaver to watch the breaker fleet.

if we have a nuke set it to explode right after we pass, UNLESS we can take the disk with us.

make nondurable goods for the pop. have a few journalists write up something to boost morale, like a history that humanity will endure or something like a speech that we are stronger and will get stronger with this.

>>149154

We can take the disk with us.

>>149168
yay then.

here is me hoping that the breaker are indeed iliterate on the usage of the gates and that the medieval society in that planet isnt the magical elf presented in the prologue.

"i mean, what could go wrong?"

Ed Pastry 2010/03/19(Fri)20:19 No. 149792 ID: 35cea2
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The fleet arrives around the planet in UD. Some losses have been sustained during due to a small epidemic, but the presence of a MEDICAL OUTPOST on one of the ships lessed then effects.

Scans reveal that the entire planet is pretty much covered in native population, with the largest cities focused around major METAL deposits. METAL and URANIUM are scattered fairly randomly throughout the planet's crust, but SUPERCONDUCTORS on the planet seem to appear mainly over boundaries in tectonic plates.

As a reminder, the SUPERCONDUCTOR deposits are rather thin on this world and all SUPERCONDUCTOR derricks will operate at 1/3 efficiency.


The signals that mimic the ones the Anomaly has given off originate from a single point in the middle of one of the continents of the planet.


The planet's atmosphere contains much more oxygen, nitrogen dioxide and carbon dioxide than Earth's atmosphere while having a much lower level of nitrogen. This has allowed for massive trees to cover virtually the entire surface of the planet in a thick rainforest, and also allowed for huge megafauna to populate the planet. The atmosphere contains too much of various toxic trace gasses for human lungs to stand.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/19(Fri)20:23 No. 149794 ID: 35cea2
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New techs unlocked:
PLANETARY RESEARCH: Provides reports on the planet's biology, geography, meteorology and other bits of useful information.
CULTURE RESEARCH: Allows some basic information to be gleaned from the natives. We require either cooperation with the natives or a recon teams spying on them in order to complete this tech.

In order to access techs related to the Anomaly here, we must get a research team to the Anomaly location first.

best spots would be just south of the central metal deposit, and just north of the right most uranium. also have a team go down kinda near but not too close to the anomaly, and bring the disk with them, it may grant access to a system or something.

>>149792
Best to start somewhere with SOME superconductors.

Also, let's go with Planetary Research before trying to land ass-blind.

>>149811

Let's not risk the disk until later.

Let's land just west of the Anomaly signature, close enough to the superconductors to harvest them with derricks. If both the land-based and water-based SC cannot be reached by the same settlement, build near the land-based SC. It looks a little bigger, and is further away from the natives.

Immediately build 3 non-temp residentials, two Medium labs, one Medium medical facility, and a few turrets to defend against megafauna, if they attack. Granted, we don't know if the natives hold the megafauna in high esteem or consider them a nuisance so we should try not to use lethal force.

Begin Planetary Research.

"Megafauna" is too broad a term. How large are they?

>>149959
You can see the scale on that image there
>>149792


They're pretty huge.

>>149960
Is that a human, or a native? We don't have a scale for the natives.

Let's try to make contact with the natives, too.

Our initial build needs to include a training facilities and stuff, that's vital. We should set up on the area of super conductors just to the West of the Anomaly...

Then it's native diplomacy time.

>>149961
The figure in the scale is human, from what I can tell. I'm not sure about the natives, though; I would assume that they're at least larger than a human, judging by the rest of the life here.

Also, I agree with >>149958 as far as colony placement goes, though additional outposts on islands near tectonic boundaries for SC as well as near that large cluster of uranium to the east could prove useful.

We might as well start thinking about names, too. For what it's worth, I suggest Telepylus for the planet's name. 'Twas the land of giant dudes that ate people in the Odyssey.

>>149964
How about we make contact, decipher their language, and then try to use their name for the planet?
We want to establish good relations with the natives, and using their name for the planet is a no-cost gesture.

Lets set up on one of the islands that have no natives on them. There are 3 fairly big ones without natives so then we should be ok.

Then lets get some housing set up. And we send out a commando team to observe the natives and learn their language while not making any contact with them yet. We don't happen to have any commandos with backgrounds in social studies, historical reasearch or archeology?

5Copper 2010/03/20(Sat)05:54 No. 149971 ID: 3a08ae
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>>149792
....we found na'vis? at least they dont seem to be the magic race. also whatever we do, we need walls.

>>149965
they seem to have a good cultire to spread on the planetlike this, i like this idea.

about placement, someone suggested something and i made alterations. also send a nautiloi to be eaten by the sea monsters to check out how underwater is.

i think most of our research should go to the planet's new stuff then to breaker weapons. we also need to start a research on bigger ships.

>>149968
they seem to be sand banks. we need uranium and id like to avoid water fauna for now, so lets not build in islands that move due to water current and sand erosion.

here's the vital thing: Do we want Uranium? If so we either need to land near it or set up two settlements like last time.

>>149971
They could be deserts. Which would be strange because they're around the equator. But there are other islands as well. They're just smaller.

>>149973
oh god sand worms like in dune. for a place with megatrees to have nothing, it must literally eat them.

>>149972
i belive we do because of nukes and nuclear reactors. someone got a good discussion on space weapons, id like to make portable shaped charge nukes to check out its efficiency.

5Copper 2010/03/20(Sat)06:17 No. 149975 ID: 3a08ae
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>>149971
disregard this pic; lets cuddle with the natives!

Putting a settlement directly next to the natives is a bad idea. They may see us as a threat, or be influenced by our culture.

Yet, we need metal. The only place with metal deposits available that is not occupied by natives is the location directly west of the anomaly signal. It happens to have SC near it, so that's good. We'll need to make a secondary base to gather Uranium. That's fine too, since we have plenty Uranium stockpiled.

These are my reasons for placing the settlement where I suggested.

There's no way we can build a settlement that's hidden from these guys.

Let's send down three dropships. One to meet the concentration of natives to the west of the largest continent, where all three resources exist. Just introduce ourselves and be honest, same as with the Gesters.

Second, a surveying team to the metal-and-superconductors site this guy suggests:
>>/questdis/322710
Scout out the place for things that might eat an entire colony. (We have a large uranium reserve, so we can save U mines for later)

Third, a science team to the new anomaly.

I'm not sure how large a team is appropriate for each mission. Some scientists, a team (4) of commandos, a bunch of weavers, some power-troops and regular troops.

Support the survey efforts with UCAVs deployed from the carrier, ON THE ASSUMPTION they can be recovered, of course, which means they have engines allowing them to return to orbit. Can orbital lances potshot a brontosaur?

We'll name the planet after we see what it's like groundside.

Test Pattern 2010/03/20(Sat)08:10 No. 149984 ID: 0fc814
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For clarity, expedition site suggestions. (2 being where we're most likely to set down a colony, unless the improbable happens and the natives would be cool with us living at site 1, where all three resources exist)

Can anyone remember exactly what ships we've got?

Why don't we send some Weavers down to get a better idea of what the natives are like, before we land?

>>149984
(1) is ideal from resource standpoint, but (2) is much better overall - I know peoples here have wog fetish, but honestly, we have problems without getting into tribal politics, which is almost inevitable with (1).
As Test Pattern pointed, we do have surplus of both uranium and fuel so mining outpost can be established later, or we can simply look into improving fuel plants.

>>149984
Since it seems I'm the only one favoring isolatinism, and that has very little support, I'm thinking number 2 there would be best for settlement. Just make sure it has a strong perimiter and constant patrols out.

And please, couldn't we wait with the introductions until we know their language and have collected some information about the societies closest to us? It could be a good idea to have atleast a theory on how they're likely to react to our arrival and our story. These people are more advanced than the Gesters, it's possible that they have some equivalent to the church in the middle ages. If we suddenly arrive and come with a story that discredits alot of what is taken as absolute fact then we could make alot of enemies as well as upset some of the foundations of their society and cause massive civil wars to break out.

So could we pretty please with fucking sprinkles on top gather some information before we act? Because it will be too late afterwards if we fuck it up and it would be very easy and not take alot of time to gather the necessary information.

i just realized that in 2 if they have caravans they would need to pass by us...

also walls anyway. we will need cops to handle both native and hyooman harassment.

Vote 2

>>150025

I'm not opposed to this, but Moral is low, and we can't just circle around on ships forever. We need a new settlement sooner not later.

Ok, when we land, I suggest this for our initial build. (as far as I'm aware the only limit of what we can build in a month is resources). I still strongly prefer 2 as an initial settlement type.

Initial Build Plan

One settlement. We could call it Monument again but that might drop morale, I suggest a new name.

x9 metal derricks
x3 super conductor derricks
x2 forts
x1 hospital
x1 command centre
x3 Medium power generators
x2 medium Ceramists
x2 medium smelters
x5 Medium Warehouses
x9 colleges
x3 Medium Labs
x2 Medium Factories
x1 Medium Shop
x1 Medium Entertainment Structure
x1 Terminal
Break up x2 freighters for more resources as soon as the buildings are all complete

8850 Metal 1000 Ceramics 87 Super Conductor, 88 power

We'll use mobile forces for defence right now, but as soon as metal production comes online we should think about putting up a defensive wall and auto-cannon towers around it.

Once we've settled, we also need to send out expeditions to find the following

1: are there any other easy fuel sources in this area?
2: who exactly are the civilisation on UB?
3: do either UA or UC have significant super conductor deposits?

>>150030
I didn't say we couldn't set up a base. I just said that before we go and talk with the natives we should get more information about them. If we set down a location 2 then we're pretty isolated and there are no larger native populations nearby. So if we stay there we should have time to do some recon and then make contact on our own terms.

>>150036
This looks solid, but I don't think we should scrap any freighters. These buildings will deplete our reserves, yes, but with 9 land derricks, we'll be making 1350 metal per month.

It's unlikely that we'll have to flee, but I'd rather have the freighters and not need them. Now, scrapping them for superconductors or ceramics might be good, but we haven't run out yet.

...plus we could always deorbit one on top of something as a gigantic kinetic weapon.

>>150043

Mhh. Ok.

oh, another good idea is place ships around the planet with instant comms to act as a sensor net.

Also, when we build a colony, we should start by deploying the army in a defensive posture. Clear away trees and shit in case we get rushed or stampeded. The colony should also be built with 5x Autocannon towers, 5x Railgun turrets, and 5x Howitzer turrets. (Plus another M power generator to run these)

...However, I still think we should first wait a few days contact the natives and survey before we build. It'll take two months to set up a base, so one week of preliminary scouting won't really matter.

>>150070

Agreed.

Let's talk to these people. It's not like we can avoid them is it?

Ed Pastry 2010/03/20(Sat)20:05 No. 150197 ID: 35cea2
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The site of the future settlement is placed at (2) on this map.
>>149984

50 WEAVERS have been sent down to the planet to survey as much as they can. 41 of them have been destroyed by wildlife or natives within a day. The remaining 9 were sent to various deserts, all of which report that very little life exists in the deserts of the planet.

The sparse information gathered reveals that the majority of the planetary wildlife is highly aggressive, and that the foliage is so dense that most vehicles will have an extremely tough time traversing it. Thankfully, with the ENGINE UPGRADE tech we have researched, most vehicles will be able to plow through the thinner parts of the jungle, though too dense clusters of trees will remain a problem. BRICs bipedal locomotion allows it to ignore these penalties.
The WEAVERS have gathered little information about the natives, but the scientists have been at least able to understand a bit of their manners and courtesy, reducing the risk that our initial attempts at negotiation will offend somebody.

A research team consisting of 20 PROFESSIONALS, 50 WORKERS, 100 LIGHT INFANTRY, 10 POWER INFANTRY, 4 COMMANDOS and 30 LUVs and 4 APCs is prepared to land at the ANOMALY; and two diplomacy teams consisting of 1 PROFESSIONAL and 2 hidden COMMANDOS each are ready to establish contact with the natives at site (1) and (2)

First, however, the diplomat headed for the tribe at location (2) arrives.

When the diplomat lands near the village, it is almost as if he has been expected. He is immediately brought before the leader.
Diplomat: "I thank you for accepting me in such short notice. I am a representative for the Splinter; a nation of refugees. My mission to verify if we have your permission to stay here. I promise you we will try our best to-"
Native Ruler: "Do not think you can deceive us with kind words. Seers and mystics from every nation on <NO TRANSLATION> Greztghakhri <NO TRANSLATION> have foretold of the day and place of your arrival, and spoken of your true nature."

"Our true nature? What do you mean?"

(assuming this is getting relayed to the carrier, put a strike team in a dropship and get it ready with air support to pull the diplomatic team out if necessary)

>>150198

Just to expand this a bit, we need to find out if they're actual servants of the breaker lord of all.

Either way, let's take a bit of a tougher line tell them that, if they know our true nature they also know we have the power to move between the stars. If our intentions were ill it is well within our power to burn their cities to ash and make sure nothing grows there for a thousand years.

We have not done this, we have come with open hands in friendship. Are the actions of beings who mean ill?

>Greztghakhri
I guess this means we don't have to think up a planet name, then. (We just have to think of a pronouncable one!)

Ask him what his beef is with us, and what they want. Ask who they serve.

If everything goes badly, have the commandos kidnap his ass and get the fuck out.

>>150201

Gretz

>>150201
>kidnap
oh dude, no, that would make a martyr out of him.

get his family instead.

>:3

>>150197
wait, ever since when? a hundred years ago or 3 years ago?

>>149984

There seems to be one place filled with uranium that nothing lives on or near. Probably a lot of above-ground stuff. Commenting that a mining and processing facility there might be a good choice; but there's lots of greenery there, which is rather bizarre.

>>150197
"Untranslatable" probably refers to this planet or similar. Regardless...

"We desire little more than to be left to live peacefully... excepting those who have struck out at us meaninglessly."

laugh and say "true nature? what is our 'true nature'? i am certain i can provide undeniable truth that we are sincere."

>>150197
Ok so a prophecy. It probably involves that anomaly thing present on the planet. Ask him if he has it written down that we could take.

I would also like to suggest that we cut down the forest in a 5 km radius around our base. As well as maintain a constant UCAV and gunship patrols over that area to make sure that none of the aggressive creatures can reach it.

>>150260
what if this is the prophecy? we camed to eat resources and ruin everything?

another thing to try is 'so you don't trust us because someone said we would lie, can you prove they weren't the ones lying?'

Sounds like these guys are aligned with Totus. We're going to have trouble on this planet, even if we try to mind our own business.

Ask the guy what he means by our 'true nature'. If it turns out that he believes we are going to betray him or something, let's just dig up the anomaly and leave. If there's another unoccupied planet in this system, let's go check it out.

On the other hand, if he just hates us for our technology, perhaps we can establish a low-tech outpost here. Just to put down some mans in reserve.

OH, also we should immediately contact the team sent to location 1, and tell them to forget about it. They should go back to the ship.

>>150282
no, we should send them with a better envoy. we stll need to change their impression of us.

i want to send some convoys to the islands. its likely they havent heard of this prophecy.

>>150283
They said EVERY NATION. Everyone on this planet thinks we're evil. Why bother contacting another tribe when we'll have the same, negative response? They might even attack us on sight, since we'd be approaching a denser population. That could be interpreted as an attack.

Pick out a large and hopefully relatively uninhabited local landmark with in sight of the village we're talking too.

Scan it with UAVs to make sure it's clear of sentients. Later on we're gonna be using it for a demonstration strike.

Priority one is to figure out if they are in communication with other worlds. Our plans will be quite different depending on if they can call for reinforcements from other planets.

The native is being rather haughty. Try to get him to brag about such a capability. I don't quite know how. You're the one with the doctorate, PoV guy.

>>150285
>Later on we're gonna be using it for a demonstration strike.
Clearing the landing site via kinetic lances would probably do the trick.

demonstration of force should wait until we are done with diplomacy. we still dont know what their seer "prophetized" of us.

i dont want to show them we can wipe their planet just to find out the prophecy was that we WOULD wipe their planet.

>>150369
yes, that would just be poor form.

Ed Pastry 2010/03/21(Sun)19:50 No. 150532 ID: 35cea2
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Diplomat: "I'm terribly sorry, but I am a little confused."
Native Ruler: "Maybe you don't understand, but we know perfectly what the outcome will be if we allow you to stay."
Diplomat: "Would you explain for me?"
An image forms in the native ruler's hand.
Diplomat: "Ooh, that's an impressive trick!"
Ruler: "Over 15 cycles ago, seers from across the world received a vision that remnants of an evil race would arrive. They would kill forests, shred and churn the ground, murder countless people and animals and even threaten to destroy the very existence of magic."
Diplomat: "Well, I can assure you that we have no such intention!"
Native Leader: "You have the words of a thousand wise men against you."
Diplomat: "Please, give us a chance at the very least. I am sure you could easily overpower us if we start acting up. If you can't overpower us, though, then clearly resisting us violently would be a bad option."
Native Leader: "Deceitful as you may be, I can see a shred of truth in your statement. We will not dirty our hands by striking the first blow. I'll let you have some land, but if you dare break your promise every living being on the planet will rise up to resist you."


Also, some information on the other planets of the system are provided as requested.

>>150532

Forgot to mention: The moons all have metal deposits but no other resources.

>>150532
Well, let's inform him of how our mining equipment works, and ask how objectionable that is. Also, tell him there's a particular object we seek that lies in the center of the continent.

Lay out basically all the ways our tech can affect the environment. We will build only those things that he approves of.

Ask, delicately, whether the moons are fair game for mining.

Also, ask about their culture and way of life. If he asks why, just tell him that humans are nothing if not curious.

"I didn't even know magic existed until a minute ago. Tell us more."

I don't suppose there's any natural clearings suitable for a colony? If not, also say "We can tear down some trees to build buildings, though, right? That was kind of the plan."

>>150547
to build HOUSES. that is important. we will get metal from the moons, supers from the sea and there shouldn't be any trees around the uranium due to radiation.

we should ask them to grant us one delegate to explain the ways of the forest while we build so we don't kill anything important. as well as state that you will kill any carnivore trying to munch on people.

>>150550
or since it seems we will get metal from moons we could build on the coast of a desert to get supers while also not worrying about clearing away too many trees.

Also: Might as well tell them our story. When you get to the part about leaving Ithaka, say "destroyed all trace of having been there" instead of "giant bombs." Also, emphasize how Earth was very green, but had all life eradicated by a huge bomb. Explain that we have no home, but we're getting used to people trying to kill us for reasons we don't understand.

>>150554
oh and when you get to the destruction of earth part show the insignia on your sleeve 'we wear this, because we are the only shard of our planet left."

>>150532

"There are, however, people chasing us that are likely to shoot at you."

>>150532
It's possible that their prophecy was about UB guys. Tell this to native.

Also, ask about magic. "Source of magic" could imply that it is actualy "sufficiently advanced technology", most likely generated by Anomaly, but there also possibility that it is real deal.

man, if this goes all 'Scraped Princess' on us i will flip the fuck out.

anyone who has seen it will know what i'm talking about. to those that haven't:

it turns out the entire show takes place on a holo-deck and magic is simply partially hacking the system and the princess contains an Admin override code that let's her shut it down

>>150532
Well that is very interesting. Ask them if it would be acceptable to settle in the desert. No forests to destroy there and no people around to kill.

>>150550
>>150552
we can do houses in the deserts, but i belive test have the right idea on building on the moons. also some uranium veins may be too deep on earth to affect the forest, and im willing to say that the local trees somehow feed on uranium. theres MAGIC after all.

>Also, emphasize how Earth was very green, but had all life eradicated by a huge bomb
from the breaker. emphatise that part.

>15 cycles ago
thats how many "turns"?

also from the picture he showed, does it looks like one of our vessels? not the exact shape but the actual style of the ship.

See if we can get a bit of land where there's all three resources. Cause right now we're gonna have a problem with the fact we need two bases to get Uranium too.

At the very least, ask him about that.

Ok. We've got another problem here:

The fact that this prediction exists means that if the breaker's can get access to it, they know exactly where we went. We need to scramble a ship to the anomaly receiver before turn 40 and rig it with a bomb in case they come through.

>>150754
since we seem to have decided that we will get our metals from the moons we just need to get a spot with supers and uranium. location 1 here
>>149984
has them both, as well as the lower left island. since we did diplomacy i am fairly certain the natives will uphold their end of the bargain, for a time. some of the more radicals may come for and attempt to sabotage us to make us look bad. that's another reason we need a delegate so we can peaceably capture saboteurs and hand them over to him to mete out what ever punishment their culture deems necessary.