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1120590 No. 1120590 ID: 3fa828

An RPG Quest with dice rolls and mechanics inspired by Pathfinder 1e.

Written by Capitulize

Art by Capitulize & Akwa’tim

This quest has themes of violence, depression, eldritch confoundery, suicide (serious warning on this), fuzzy animal people, harsh language, and risqué topics.

Chapter 1: https://questden.org/kusaba/questarch/res/1083617.html

Reference Guide: https://tinyurl.com/ytw6ex8f

Stats Sheet: https://tinyurl.com/yn567x36

Wiki: https://questden.org/wiki/Aldequest
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Yonder darkness past the portal hence hide.

Where light doth falter ‘fore the shadow inside.

Twixt domains of death, my Soul doth reside.

Where none stand bright, and none can survive.
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Blade of the river, where cord cleft twain.

To the sanguine tide flow ‘ere life hence drain.

By a Fate so hollow, only apathy doth reign.

Thus ends the Soul, lost forever again.
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’Tis the fate of all, to wither and fray.

Yet strived they still in tangled web ‘stray.

The thread be tread, ‘ere reason die that day.

So for kindred Soul, in treason I ‘tray.
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This dream must cease, Winds.
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No. 1120603 ID: 70f58a

>>1120602
Which one?
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No. 1120604 ID: 0404f2

then wake up, we guide we don't control anything. You want it to end than you'll have to do that yourself. Best we can do is cheerlead on the sidelines.
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No. 1120605 ID: 2e6314

Yea, than time to wake up. It's not a lot of use talking to your subconscious like this, people aren't themselves when they're dreaming. I'd rather talk to the you that's thinking clearly.
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No. 1120606 ID: 90684d

Hey cutie! Naked again?
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No. 1120607 ID: bcfbc8

>>1120602
You don't like it? End it yourself.
We can grant you the power to. but it's your choice to take it.
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No. 1120608 ID: 2e6314

Also, you're not anime style in our perceptions of you right now. Eyes are still unreasonably big for layout of the skull though. I suppose our perception of you keeps large eyes to see into the soul as a constant, regardless of any of the other particulars, huh?
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No. 1120609 ID: bcfbc8

>>1120608
Actually your right. It IS a different style...
Wonder if Bakoth is influencing Tanna's dreams?
She stopped Bakoth from actively influencing others but we don't really know his full capability's do we? Especially since she's presumably sleeping right next to it.
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No. 1120610 ID: d30887

[Summon Face McShooty]
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No. 1120611 ID: fd169b

Well wadda you want us to do about it?
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No. 1120614 ID: 732325

Wake up Shadow, we need to find the Chaos Emeralds!
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No. 1120636 ID: 9db031

Well, I suppose it's time to wake up then.
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No. 1120844 ID: 2f41db

>>1120602
Tanna.
Wake up.
We've missed you slinky.
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No. 1120851 ID: 06a3f3

>>1120602
Nay, further into the dream!

Let's go on a quest to bring back Roderick from the land of the dead.

We'll play a tune that could move the hounds of the underworld to whine with compassion and the very Godcof Death, morose and embitered, to grant us such chanxe.

Forward and downward into the dream, deep deep deeper into the dream, all the way!

Maybe then a certain someone will be able feel something.
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No. 1120855 ID: d30887

Yeah well, this 'dream' has smartphones.
Your world is going off the rails, it's absorbing technology and eldritch powers it was never meant to handle yet. We need a curveball character to react to it.
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No. 1120885 ID: 2e6314

Worse, smartphones that function without any of the necessary infrastructure! Due to magic, no doubt. Removing the infrastructure barrier to advanced technology functioning is kind of conceptually terrifying.
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>we need to find the Chaos Emeralds!

What? N-No, look, I’m trying to have a moment here. Can yo-

>Hey cutie! Naked again?

I’m not naked! This is just meant to be… take this seriously!
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>then wake up
>time to wake up
>Wake up Shadow
>Wake up.

Uh hum. If only it were that easy. To wake up from this worthless dream. To finally lay it all to rest.

>Which one?

The Dream. The antiquissimus fantasy of endless existence that has long. since. rotted. Held together by delusional ideals of some few loathsome fools, clinging ever so fragilely to a wretched life of pointless suffering. That is the one that MUST cease.

Though, I guess this one’s gotta end too.

>people aren't themselves when they're dreaming. I'd rather talk to the you that's thinking clearly.

Oh you misunderstand. The one you speak to is a shell. A piteous being sheltered from the long standing abject failure of their nature. Me. In this dream, here, I am myself truly. The most clear version of the person you’ve been guiding. And however hidden away I may be, my desires inevitably are hers.

>I suppose our perception of you keeps large eyes to see into the soul as a constant, regardless of any of the other particulars, huh?

Eyes are important. They’re windows into the Soul, often showing our true Color.

>we guide we don't control anything. You want it to end than you'll have to do that yourself. Best we can do is cheerlead on the sidelines.

Oh, hahaha… you control so much more than you think. Just by your mere existence, Threads of Fate never before seen… they substantiate in your wake.

>You don't like it? End it yourself.

How many times have I at this point…? None in a way that truly matters. My thread is tied to the dream, and there is but only one escape.

>Well wadda you want us to do about it?

I’ll say it as plainly as I can: Kill.

Kill this dream.

Kill.
This.
World.

Use this body, and kill. Know however that they hunt us, they always have. The Theotians have limited reach, but their pieces are ever present. For each True Death inflicted, each cord cleft twain, they’ll align to our scent ever more closely.

So stay hidden, learn what this world truly is. Amass power, and track down real allies. Find the opportunities that only you can. And in one terrible, vicious, bone-shearing wound, open the flesh to pandemonium with this body's hand. Bring the world to its knees, and the rest will quickly unravel.

>this 'dream' has smartphones. Your world is going off the rails

Uhm… I won’t pretend to know what a phone is, or what makes it ‘smart’, but yes. This world has long since overstayed its welcome. Engaged in all manner of depraved and ophidian tactics in its single-minded goal to survive at all costs. It need die.

>Nay, further into the dream!
>Forward and downward into the dream, deep deep deeper into the dream, all the way!

No, no! That isn’t possible anymore! Don’t fall for that, don’t fall for the idea that there’s some kind of peaceful ending to all this.

>Let's go on a quest to bring back Roderick from the land of the dead.
>We'll play a tune that could move the hounds of the underworld to whine with compassion and the very Godcof Death, morose and embitered, to grant us such chanxe.
>Maybe then a certain someone will be able feel something.

I…

…I really only feel anger. Nothing but a long standing hatred that no amount of Sound could ever resolve. Roderick is dead. Truly and utterly, his thread forever severed. Just as it should have always been.

More will follow.

>Well, I suppose it's time to wake up then.

I suppose it is. There’s so much more I wish I could tell you, but we’re all playing this stupid game now, pawns on the table of a bored king. Just… please… don’t forget.

This dream MUST cease. There is no other escape. I’m begging you. Don’t let those that follow Fate discover me. The body acts as a disguise, but the Soul is without a mask.

Good luck.
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>[Summon Face McShooty]

Wha-
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BANG!
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!
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Wha… what…?
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...Here again. Last night was… it was very much real.

And that… Winds. You still around?

>We've missed you slinky.

Oh yeah, you’re around. It’s only be a few hours… though now that I think about it, it’s probably been longer for you. Not sure how this works. Missed you too I guess!

>Whole new world out there slinky. Dream of open spaces, gentle breezes and sweet song.

I definitely feel pretty well-rested all things considered. Don’t really remember much about what I dreamed about, but it was… dark. Not a bad dark however, more like a shadowy hug. …It was fairly comforting. Whatever I dreamed about just now though, jeez! Feels like I got shot by something! Heart’s still beating hard, has some weird ominous feeling to it.

Oh well. I’m awake now!

>She can't climb ropes cause of her short lil weasel arms xD

Hey! I can climb, I did it last night! My arms are not short! Rope’s just swaying and wiggling and it doesn’t exactly align with how my body… I’m not explaining this. It’s a pain in the ass to climb something like that!

>Don't take the box out again until it's absolutely necessary.

...Huh. I’m holding it right now. When’d that happen? Lemme just uhhhh… put that stupid thing away.

Spooky.

>I'll do my flirting and talking your ear off when you wake up and have done your morning routine and have had breakfast and stuff, take some you-time for now.

Ahh, well… looking forward to the talking part, eheh. Speaking of morning routine… looks like the others are going about it. There’s swirly magic stuff emanating from Mina, she’s sitting on her bedroll and got her eyes closed ‘n focused. Meanwhile, Evel’yee’s shooting at some target nestled in some rocks.

And then there’s me. Sitting on someone else’s bedroll. Smells like Jacob’s now that I think about it. And… ugh, I’m hungry. I don’t think I have any food stuffs packed, though I’m sure Mina or little miss shortfuse would be willing to share. Could go hunting too, sink my teeth into some woodland critter.

Can I just mention too, I feel different? I’m not sure how to describe it… just that I’m like… stronger feeling, things looking slightly sharper? Air tastes better, but maybe that’s just because I was in a musty crypt all last night. I swear the forest smells far more vivid than it did before I went to sleep. Something’s missing too… I feel like it was important? …Gah, it’s escaping me right now, maybe it’s nothing. Could be that I was that exhausted last night, who knows.

Guess if it’s important enough, I’ll remember it at some point. Ah well. Got any recommendations, Winds? I'm kinda partial to go quietly hunt, but I guess I could be convinced to go bug Evel’yee and/or Mina for food and see if they’re feeling what I’ve got going on. Or… could just sit for a minute… it’s kinda nice out.

There are important topics from chapter 1 that are being held off for pacing purposes currently, but they have not been forgotten.
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No. 1121201 ID: 78ccbe

Hey, yo, hi, good morn

Don't use the box as a pillow next time, it can be uncomfy and give you nightmares
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No. 1121202 ID: 6209c5

Quick aside, only the paw color change is a redesign that won't be addressed in world. Just assume it was always like that, sorry! Everything else that's different is addressable.
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No. 1121203 ID: bcfbc8

So many topics that others will no doubt get into but the one I will is that we were absolutely SPOT ON with the whole rat being a polymorph thing.
Red and black lizard edgelord transformed and put Jacob (who managed to escape his binds) to sleep using god magic and kidnapped Vax for reasons that were not particularly clear.
Not really sure why Solo decided to show us that in particular when he did but I'm not really gonna complain.

Ask Mina and Evel'yee about this for us would ya? Since Jacob WAS out of his binds when we last saw him.
Also Vax is still presumably still under the effects of the paralysis.
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No. 1121229 ID: 90684d

>>1121203
Since it's being brought up I suppose there is no delaying. Something happened, we are not sure what and you might want to check it.
Could also be a false vision for us, not sure why. But better to check regardless.

She is concentrating there... I want to try something so do forgive me for the double post.
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No. 1121231 ID: 90684d
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To Mina:

...Mutcho mar do que lindia...

Good day kitty cat! I hope you are feeling better.

First I would like to request a favor from you. Tanna is embarrassed to ask but she need something to eat. While I'm confident she could find something for herself it's better not to because... well... the next topic.

I don't wish to alarm you but something might have happened to the guys while you were sleeping, assuming what we saw was real. I suggest that you all check together. But if you have a different idea it's fair that you make the final decision here.
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No. 1121233 ID: 2f41db

>>1121200
You got some weird dreams slinky.
We might be able to mess with them.
Promise we'll be good.
Eh
Reasonably good anyway,

Dont go wandering off without telling anyone, whatever you decide.

Oh, and of course youre feeling stronger.
You went through a lot and that has an effect on people.

The only thing im gonna insist on is this though.
Before you do anything, take a deep breath of fresh air and let the sunlight warm you.
Luxuriate in not being underground anymore.
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No. 1121234 ID: 70f58a

Ah, I should've realized. Tanna's text color in the dream, and before that after we used Primordial power... It matches Whisper's color. Also she referenced Sound, which is not something Tanna should be familiar with if she were mortal. So, does Whisper want to destroy the world for the Yellow King's sake? He's stuck monitoring it forever, so if we destroyed it, he'd be freed. The gods would have to make a new one, but from the sound of things that's the only way to fix it-- start over. "So for kindred Soul, in treason I ‘tray." yeah, that points towards Whisper again.
Another possibility is that we just spoke to whatever's in the box... and they're in the box because they're already known as a traitor to the others. But I feel that's less likely due to other things pointing towards Whisper being tied to Tanna... like that song of silence.


Hey, possibly bad news. That rat you saw was actually a gorgeous snake-type lizardfolk lady with black scales and red eyes, who put Jacob to sleep (again) and was going to do something else (perhaps to Vax) but we didn't see. She was wearing a white suit with a yellow tie, had either a thin mask or face paint on the top of her head like a skull, and spoke to her boss on a cell phone. Do you have that kind of technology in your world? We've only seen Whisper and Nyahstur use one.

Also, uh, for reasons, how would you go about hiding your eyes without blinding yourself? There is something in your soul we must keep hidden. Speaking of which, how nice! Your eyes (and text) are yellow again, which means our Primordial power recharged. ...I wonder if that adds an extra layer of soul obfuscation. For now, try not to look anyone directly in the eyes.

>dream
You don't remember speaking to us, eh? Well, you did get shot by something alright. BANG, HAHA.
Hey, do you know much about True Death? Is that kind of thing possible without an extensive ritual like what we saw in that room down there?

>missing something important
You don't have your weapons strapped to you right now. Also some other strap, probably your bag? Do an inventory check regardless. ...do you still feel unnaturally attached to the box? If not, then that could be the thing "missing".
I wish we had a lock or something to put around the cloth that's covering the box. Maybe tie it up with some rope? If you took it out in your sleep that's dangerous; anyone could see it and get hit by the geas.

>Food?
I think hunting is a good idea, if you're up to it. It'll stretch out our food supply. Just tell someone where you're going. You can interrupt Evel'yee just after she's taken a shot, so you don't disrupt her aim.
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No. 1121239 ID: d30887

>>1121197
THANKYOUTOO

>>1121200
Okay, so, we figured out some of your dark past after looking into your dreams, most of which you don't remember for a reason. Short answer: you were part of some death cult that thought the world itself was driven mad a long time ago and wanted to end it all so your 'real selves' could 'wake up'.

Thing is, past you hated reality, but hated prolonged torture even more. You'd been twisted by the cult to believe that you were all living in a magically-enforced illusion that would erase your memories and spit you out as a new person each time you died, at the behest of some richer-than-gods sociopaths looking for endless slapstick comedy, and you made it your life's work to make it stop. Supposedly, whatever is in that box is the master code switch or something that will turn the illusion off... but honestly it looks like your run-of-the-mill eldritch abomination summoning kit.

Now, the really bad news is, there is some evidence that the cult was onto something, even if their theories are straight-up escapist nuts. Things are... invading your world. Stuff that doesn't belong here. Weapons and tools that make master archwizards look like rowdy old men throwing little balls of fluff around.

Entire nations will be conquered overnight. Maybe they already have been and rule from the shadows.

Now, it's a good thing we know what this stuff is and how to use it! You just need to... well... find some way to steal a fragment of something about thirty levels above you.
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No. 1121241 ID: 70f58a

Hey, Aspect: What do you think about death?
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No. 1121243 ID: b4c241

>>1121200
-caught up it just in time!

Long time no see, Tanna. But also nice to meet you. I'm new here. Do you still find it difficult to tell us apart? My name is Lun, or "Braided Song" if you prefer my pony name.

Anyway, we spoke to the King in Yellow. He's much nicer than we'd feared. He's working with our patron entity Solo to... protect the world, we think. They even gave us some new powers to help out!

But we're still not sure if the King can be trusted. The stories we know paint a much darker picture. Maybe they're just stories, or maybe this is a more benign manifestation of him, or maybe he has a hidden goal that's not so nice...

We'll keep an eye out for any warning signs. But until then, don't worry about it. All you need to worry about is finding something to eat! I'd say ask your companions if they have any to spare, and then go hunting to replenish your stock.
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No. 1121381 ID: 9db031

Hm, how about a friendly competition with Evel'yee? Let's see who can go hunt down biggest meal for breakfast.
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No. 1121389 ID: 70f58a

Let's not forget that there's a certain box-related someone listening. Some information should not reach his ears.
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No. 1122535 ID: ea8e8a

I know it’s difficult, but you must resist the urge to poke Mina‘s beans while her eyes are closed!
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No. 1122542 ID: 2e6314

Oh my gosh. Finally. Finally finally! Uh, Fox here. You are relaxed, not in immediate danger, and, bonus of bonuses, you just leveled up! I'll explain what that means eventually, it's more jargon. I have SO MUCH to talk about!

I have a lot to say, so if at all possible, I want to say it interspersed at appropriate times. I'll do stuff like, for each topic, say things like ‘Fox here’, and I will make an effort to, if need be, have Tanna relay things or via extra effort, include others present in hearing what I say. Please interpret and place and adjust the context of the comments appropriately given this approach!

Okayyy. First thing! I wanted to disclose that we’ve been getting lots of choices about empowering you and choosing how you will grow in capabilities, and we’ve been trying to do right by you, but any guidelines as to your preferences to that sort of thing would be useful. Since we actually were JUST given choices on how to make your essence/soul/spirit/body more powerful, and chose some on your behalf, I personally feel kind of guilty that I didn’t get your input.

Second. Are you familiar with parlor games where people pretend to be archetypes or other people, like famous people from history or from fiction or whatever, but there are referees and rules to how it happens? How about tabletop miniature wargames, like for training generals (or just as a game, with little carved figurines and miniature scenery)? How about various ways to simulate ‘being an adventurer’ without actually being an adventurer and thereby risking dying horribly, like those sorts of plays people put on where there is audience participation and at various points they pause and give a few options for what happens next?

Various aspects of your world, and you, resemble and are presented to us in a way that relatively closely maps to one such game that comes with a few encyclopedias of detail that we have access to. It’s one of those cases where these encyclopedias, which have various different editions, are no doubt not correct as to the details, but are useful to us for guessing general patterns. For example, we can guess that there is generally considered to be nine tiers or ‘levels’ of spells that can be cast, probably with exceptions, but that is the general pattern for tiers of spellcasting. Like, if there are a handful of archwizards or archclerics or archdruids currently alive, do their spells go up to the ninth level/tier/circle? Again, this is definitely a case of ‘the map is not the territory’. Regardless, as an analog to how ‘anime’ is a distorted way we perceive you visually, these sorts of games are part of how we perceive your context and capabilities, with dossiers on you (which I’ll explain some bits of), for example.

Oh! Another prediction, since we were told that your world is superficially similar to an edition of an encyclopedia of those rules labeled ‘PF1e’, which itself is superficially similar to an edition of an encyclopedia labeled ‘3.5e’, we can make other predictions. Such as this: firearms probably exist in your world. Ask your companions if they have heard of ‘firearms’, ‘guns’, or ‘muskets’ or ‘flintlocks’. Ask your friends if ‘cannons’ have obsoleted really tall vertical stone walls yet and made modern fort design focus on low angled earthworks instead, or if traditional castles with curtain walls and drawbridges are still considered economically and militarily useful. If they exist, how do they defend against the Fireball spell and the arcing exploding shell, ie, something that explodes just behind and above the people standing on the battlements of a traditional castle? If firearms exist, do they all load through the muzzle, or have reliable breach-loading ones been invented yet? Does the substance which explode for firearms to function require magic in the creation or is it something anyone with the recipe can mix? Does the substance create clouds of white smoke when it explodes?

Anyway, these games have lots of jargon, and one of the pieces of jargon is the use of the word ‘level’, which, annoyingly, is used in LOTS of places. Recently, you just ‘leveled up’, that is, got more powerful. The games predict that you, as an adventurer, would ‘level up’ after sleeping in safety after you did all these things: just had a bunch of fights, risked yourself, stretched and tested your soul, achieved various goals, and got out of a bad place and closed a chapter on your life – which is exactly what happened. So! You can do more things now! In general, you are a ‘Bard’, that is, ‘one who uses music to access adventuring magic’, and ‘jack of all trades for adventuring utility’ as your ‘adventuring archetype’, which the jargon calls your ‘Class’. You are a Shadow Minstrel as your subcategory of Bard. So a Bard in the way we talk about it isn’t a dandy who plays music in a court or a tavern, remember.

Anyway, new stuff you can do: you have Bardic Music, as a magical effect separate from casting proper Spells. You can use this to counter effects that are sound or language or song based, or to distract enemies, or to create darkness and ‘Buff’ (that’s jargon for magically enhance) people’s agility and strength in the darkness. Any of your songs can make things a little bit darker if you want, too. You can see better in darkness now. You can keep Bardic Music up for 42 seconds in a day, split into 7 different 6-second intervals. Your Primordial Magic, unrelated to your Bardic stuff, can make someone (including you), once a day, do a single action extremely well or extremely poorly, your choice, right before it happens. Your spell list is now, Spell Level 0: Detect Magic, Phantom Noise, Prestidigitation. Spell Level 1: Charm Creature, Grease, Silent Image, Suggestion, Umbral Step, Vanish. Your cantrips are at-will, and you can cast a first level spell 5 times a day, any from your known options.

Since you are Character Level 2 (more jargon!), your Grease and Silent Image last two minutes rather than one, and your Vanish lasts 12 seconds rather than 6. You are now capable of more nuanced and skilled interactions with magic, lockpicking, disabling of mechanisms, tying things with rope or escaping bonds, identifying magical effects, lying, various sorts of performances, persuading people, an unknown profession or set of professions (you should investigate), and sneaking. You had most of those before going to sleep, but some should be new. For example, now you should be able to take out your lockpicking kit and know more about it. Get it out and see if you know what the different parts are used for, try getting different parts out and putting them in your hands and seeing if it is intuitive for how they'd move together, or even if you know the names of the specific tools, please. Note: these numbers may not match your experienced reality; think of how we see your eyes as being bigger to our perception than they actually are. You should test some things right before going to sleep when it is safe to do so. You should also meditate on if the particulars feel right or not.

Another thing was the mention of Lolth – we are familiar with that being, as she shows up A LOT in the 3.5e encyclopedia and other editions of it, though usually more powerful than a demi-god. Mostly, she exists to be creepy and evil and spider and evil dark elf themed and to get beaten up by powerful adventuring parties, then die, then come back. Oh! That’s another thing; you might exist in a reality with some level of narrative causality, that is, reality functioning slightly on storytelling rules and tropes, especially with the recent claim that your reality is somewhat of a Dream. Dream Logic might sometimes work in magic-drenched places. Magic especially should be story and belief sensitive, in at least some ways, though probably more your Primordial magic than the artificial Weave system. As a Bard, you can cultivate a sense for this if it exists. An example of a multi-part storytelling prediction I can make are these sets of hypotheses: 'If Black Stone can’t be affected by normal Weave based magic, it likely amplifies or interacts greatly with Primordial Magic. Find some to go test it, but on something simpler than The Box to start out with. Also, if there is an ancient civilization that has ruins of lost and poorly understood magic, it probably used Primordial Magic, and it probably did magic as physical infrastructure – that is, non-Weave-based wondrous architecture – to bypass the limits of people only able to cast so many spells a day to do many powerful and useful things.'

For reference, the two encyclopedias have various rules exploits that enable arbitrarily high wealth, but most of them are predicated on the existence of devices which can cast an arbitrary chosen spell (decided when the device is created) over and over again with a simple interaction without expending itself. Is the creation of such devices known?

Oh! I wanted to talk about Alignment. So, PF1e and 3.5e talk about this sort of bullshit cosmic morality system that realities like yours seem to be drenched in, called ‘alignment’, where things like ‘good’, ‘evil’, ‘law’, and ‘chaos’ are metaphysical properties of reality that don’t map cleanly to real world morality of what causes flourishing vs what causes harm. I am very disdainful of these as overly simplistic and not generally worthy of structuring reality around if one is a being capable of defining or building a reality that is full of magic. Low-magic realities don’t need these concepts in a metaphysical way at all, and that’s an arbitrary choice for high-magic dimensions, which could have other cosmic principles instead.

In a slightly related concept, we talked with your other self, the evil one that wants to destroy reality. She claims to be more metaphysically real than you. Also she claims that her wants are your wants. She claims that your reality is a dream (I touched on this earlier), and she is enthusiastic about annihilating reality, presumably to make a new one, just because your local reality is apparently a flawed dreamscape. That’s a bit overzealous, to me. I can’t think of a scenario where that would be the moral choice if it runs the risk of destroying large numbers of thinking people, illusory reality or no. And if your evil alter ego somehow thinks that somehow the thinking, feeling people who presumably have some amount of inherent value would survive such an event (she didn’t say) – how does she know? How is she sure? Like there’s the setup of ‘everyone is trapped in a torturous simulated/dreampt reality and the destruction of the local reality won’t kill them, it will instead dump everyone into a more real and just and joyful reality’... but, uh… you have to be REALLY FUCKING SURE that’s what’s going on, you know?? Otherwise, it’s more reasonable to instead build a way to exfiltrate people from this reality to a more Just and Real one, if they want to leave.

Anyway. Here’s my suggestion of how you should view her: yes, she’s Evil. Yes, she stained you so still scan as Evil to Detect Evil spells (but remember what I said about those metaphysical systems being arbitrary and unjust earlier). But she’s still intimately related to you and you should make an effort to not just dismiss her. Think of her like, mmmm… an older sister that has joined a really nasty cult and believes lots of really bad things. Someone who believes and wishes to do evil and harm… but still your sibling and worthy of your time, effort, engagement, concern, care and love. As far as whether she has more metaphysical clout or claim to reality over you, that’s utterly irrelevant because you happen to be a thinking, feeling, self-aware being capable of complex thought, joy, and suffering that clearly exists at least as much as she does, whatever your origin. She may very well have a stronger soul than you or whatever, but that presumed fact, even if true, is utterly irrelevant for anything like saying her plans and desires or continued existence has more or less inherent value than yours.

Due to all of that, you should interrogate and meditate heavily on those deep desires that she’s likely pushing onto you, like the presumably omnicidal ones. What do you want to destroy? Why? Under what circumstances? How do you want to go about destroying it? What feeling is attached to the things worthy of destruction? What sort of emotion is attached to the need to destroy in particular? Is there a logical chain of knowledge and thought attached to these various desires, like a formal ideology, or is it just based on only emotion? Is there hate attached to this desire? Hate of what, and what style of hate? How about Fear? Rage? How about a passion for justice or a feeling of righteousness or moral correctness? Who or what was wronged, by whom, when, how? Are there any specific details attached to these emotions? Names, faces, events, terms, plans, hopes, contingencies?

Also: some point soon, please ask your companions to list and describe all the deities and demigods and very powerful beings they can so you can meditate on how you feel about each AND WHY, and whether the thought and belief and feeling seems intrusive or not. Also, can they please name and describe all the species of thinking people that they can as well. Hopefully there’s some spider people other than just Aranea (those are predicted to exist from the documents)!

Also, the Primordial Wyrm was mentioned, is that associated with your Primordial Magic? It seems likely. Another prediction (remember when I said the systems and narrative causality thing can generate predictions?) we have is: Dragons tend to be deeply involved with important history and lore and big things in the past. What is the history of Big Things with Dragons? What was life like before Dragons did whatever big thing they inevitably did or had done to them? Also, is there any lore of misotheistic groups (ie, those that believe that ALL Theothians are wrong/immoral/evil, and hate them all)? Perhaps groups that believe that reality is inherently flawed or unreal or not sufficiently correct or not stable in some dramatic way, and needs some large, destruction-based reset or adjustment? Is that a thing that cults try to do, only to be thwarted by stalwart adventurers? Also, are there any religions or religious lifestyles that… don’t have anything to do with Theotians, one way or another? If not, what prevents them? Also, what’s the history of religious conflict and war in your world?

Going to attempt to ask this of everyone, whether Tanna needs to interpret or I can do it directly

Fox the Wind here, I would like to ask – what is the most complex nonmagical technology that anyone can think of. How advanced are mechanical devices? How advanced are looms? What are some of the most advanced mechanisms that exist? How advanced is the process of making lots of steel (or similarly useful, do-anything metals) at once in large quantities? How advanced are things that use rotating power, what sorts of ‘mills’ exist? What forms of ways to achieve useful simple work other than muscle and wind and water power exist? What are the most advanced and complex sorts of weapons anyone can think of? Also, what is the most just, noble, good, wise, and responsible polity or state or civilization that anyone can think of? Does it still exist? How good or bad is the local civilization on the whole, ‘not being broadly evil’ scale? Is it the norm or an exception?

That’s all I wanted to ask for now of the group

Fox Again. Another thing! So do you have any long term goals that aren't related to 'adventuring stuff that it's obvious you will want to do'? Self-actualization sort of things. What lifestyle do you want to have, that kind of thing? Or do you expect to have that Adventurer lifestyle where you go from one crisis to the next for the foreseeable future and don't want to think about after? Like there's the things people often want; Fame, Fortune, Glory, Reputation, Family, Friends, Community, Respect, Recognition, Growth, Affection, Intimacy, Pleasure, Joy... any of that feel most important? For reference, we have a LOT of ideas, magical or no, about getting any of that stuff.

Also! Relationships! And flirting! Remember those games I told you about? There’s a series of humorous stories of people who pretend to be Bards, that is, Charisma-based folk in those simulation-games seducing dragons. It’s become a running joke in the culture of people that enjoy the games. The whole, ‘The Dragon looms over you, growling! What do you do?’ ‘Uh… I try to seduce the dragon!’ and then for whatever reason, the Bard does REALLY WELL and now there’s a seduced dragon in the story. Could you see yourself doing that? Being submissive and cute to a powerful, dominant DRAGON? Orrrr…would you be the one using magic to get really big and strong and fearsome and then tie someone up in silk ropes? More broadly, what species and gender is the hottest? What romantic and sexual role seems to be the hottest to you, for you to take or for your partner to take? You seem to remember stuff about spiders, there are probably multiple species of sapient spiders or spiderfolk out there! Also, when you finally get really good transformation magic or items, what are you looking forward to turning into? And what do you see in an ideal friend? How about an ideal romantic partner? How about in an ideal business partner?

I want to ask Evelyee this WITHOUT Tanna hearing, I will use extra effort to try and enable this.

Hey Evel'yee, Fox the Wind here. Could you tell me about how the wild, lowbrow sorts of parties go? What music do people make? With what musical instruments? What do they drink? What styles of fighting do people bet on? What sorts of gambling and similar games are popular? What items of clothing or jewelry are usually only seen in this context? How about performances that are specific to this sort of context? What board and dicing and tile games do common folk do, at least while it’s still light out at the earlier part of these sorts of celebrations or festivals? What sort of athletic entertainment and competition, I’m thinking stuff that usually involves accurately throwing something, do people do in or before lowbrow parties? What drugs do they do when they don't want to get so far gone that they can't party? What do they use for contraception when people seek out quiet places near the main party after dark for some fun? And how can we use this knowledge to get Tanna to let loose and be social?
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Fox Again. Another thing, some more detail about the Good/Evil, Law/Chaos thing. Choosing a morality-based cosmic ontology was an option; several others could've been chosen, even if an axis-based cosmology was an actual requirement. If an axis-based cosmology wasn't, it could've been elemental (some mix of fire, water, air, earth, void, metal, wood are the usual suspects). Or, if an axis was, it could've been life/death with undeath as imbalance. Or it could've been belief-based, ie, concepts exist because minds sustain them, with or without a consciousness density component. Or it could've been purely narrative/mythic; reality is structured around stories and archetypes. Or it could be energy gradients, where magic/mana flows like heat without a moral component. Or there are ways to do the law/chaos thing without the moral component of it being Law/Chaos, have it be purely predictability vs unpredictability, stability vs novelty. Even structure vs entropy as a variant law/chaos axis isn't always morally suspect (though it can be). Or reality could be structured around information and pattern, where things exist because they are informationally stable. One of my complaints with Alignment is, if Good and Evil are literal forces, Evil may be necessary to stabilize reality, which undermines moral responsibility; genocide might be something that strengthens Evil as a cosmic force, and cosmic stability might sometimes require Evil be strengthened once in a while (ugh). Moral categories in such a system become ecological niches, this changes concepts from 'this is morally bad' to 'this emits Evil radiation', turning moral judgment into physics, which is philosophically problematic.
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Fox here.

Dammit Kome, you've gone full conspiracy theorist. Yea, there is SOME evidence about the cult and past Tanna and all that, but Kome you're drawing wayyyyy too many conclusions and specifics and things that suggest particular courses of action when that exact scenario is NOT supported!

Also I think the lizard lady killed the people there as loose ends, not kidnapped them. She was about to release some sort of spell on them with an outstretched hand, and the angle we viewed, with the shadow and everything, was dramatically appropriate to, in visual storytelling, implying that someone was going to be executed but that the act wasn't to be shown.

As far as actionable information, the the reason I suggested the mechanical discussion was one of the things that sent Kome to do... his thing; there's technology present in your reality that is implausibly advanced, and also working implausibly well given the lack of necessary supporting infrastructure (a smart cellular telephone should require visible cellular towers which should require an electrical grid which should require an electrical power plant, and all of that needs to be maintained, etc. etc.), and we need more information and a baseline to figure out what to do about that. Preferably something beyond a basic, 'hey people are importing high tech stuff, go find whoever is inevitably importing insanely advanced firearms and take them, and then take them to someone for turning them into magic weapons'.

Anyway Tanna, the last part of the dream where you felt like you got shot? In the dream, the other you did actually get shot by a revolver that's one of the aforementioned insanely advanced firearms, which, though it wasn't real and was a dreamscape, the fact that it caused you pain (a headshot from a real one would have been painless, instant annihilation, by the way) and the concept of the item existing locally, even if only in a dreamscape, is cause for concern. Also, the fact that you remember the other you getting shot, and feeling it; that's part of why it's important to take the needs and wants of your sister as still worthy of consideration. In an important way, she's you. Another instance of you, with beliefs that are horrible, but still linked to you, and you should still endeavor to do things that are helpful to her well-being, even if it is tough love sorts of things that aren't what she wants or directly desires.
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>>1122542
Oh my... That's a lot.

>Ask your companions if they have heard of ‘firearms’, ‘guns’, or ‘muskets’ or ‘flintlocks’.
Evel’yee already mentioned 'flintlock' in response to Tanna attempt to describe the concept of 'future-tech bows' she got from kome.
Took a long time for cannons to make tall vertical stone walls forts obsolete and that was a limitation of material resistance. It's possible that there are magical solutions that counter firearms in some way or that increase the efficiency of static defense making the need for a radical change of paradigm not yet needed.

>if there is an ancient civilization that has ruins of lost and poorly understood magic, it probably used Primordial Magic, and it probably did magic as physical infrastructure – that is, non-Weave-based wondrous architecture – to bypass the limits of people only able to cast so many spells a day to do many powerful and useful things.'
Interesting theory but there is a problem: When Roderick died the Primordial darkness he casted was dispersed. It's not guaranteed that it always works like this, but it doesn't bode well for the idea of a civilization that uses this phenomenon if it needs to be replaced each time someone involved dies.

>we talked with your other self, the evil one
Maybe try to be less abrasive to hotter Tanna. She will remember this next time we meet and I am hoping that can develop more towards a steamy dream than whatever that was.
>presumably to make a new one
I wouldn't presume that at all. If anything I feel that her goal supports my old theory that Tanna is something that can't die but read the King in Yellow Play, so she is now compelled to find a way to fully die. Doesn't match perfectly what we saw from this version of the King but still make sense.

>I want to ask Evelyee this WITHOUT Tanna hearing
Can we do that? I'm not sure.
Also you are asking a girl that can't handle physical contact about "lowbrow sorts of parties". I'm sure she is very interested in questionable markets for weirdly specific magic items but I doubt she is a party girl that would get near social groups for drug use.
Jacob would probably be the one to ask those things.

I'm going to guess the morality system reflect how the gods see it. Some gods might see themselves as evil in their own morality system and revel in it.
Tanna is evil because she is an enemy of the gods independently of how we would judge her. Might not be any deeper than that.
Maybe there will be situations where this magical universal judgement deviates strongly from our judgement. We will see.
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>>1122547

Fox Again. In response to the guy that responded to me. Yea, it is a lot, I came up with a lot. Subjectively, it's been a VERY long time since Tanna and I chatted, from my point of view. I forgot Flintlocks were mentioned with the future-tech bows thing. I'd describe firearms as closer to future-tech crossbows or future-tech slingstaffs, though. Also the Fireball spell alone should change fortification design, since you can set it to explode above and behind the heads of people taking cover behind a wall's battlements/crenelations like a dialed in explosive shell.

As far as a steamy dream and Other Tanna remembering and Evil. Did you miss the part where she's talking about murdering lots of people? And that she exists in a world where, like it or not, Evil is an objective force. And that because of her, Tanna scans as Evil to Detect Evil? Now, whether or not there's some mitigating circumstance that her actions are less immoral (I'll use moral/immoral for the approve/disapprove terms in the 'I don't like objective morality physics' bit) than it seems, I'm all ears about, but she wasn't trying to present an argument that her point of view is ethically sound and cohesive. Maybe she'll give us an argument in favor of her worldview and actions at some point in the future, I would be keen to listen to what she has to say.

As far as steamy dreams, do you mean encouraging Other Tanna towards sensuality and eroticism, and the reality of the dream to that sort of dream? Ehhh... I'd want to get to know her first. Also, normal Tanna can explore that part of herself too, nothing stops her. I get we're often quite, ah, frustrated and that Tanna is very beautiful (you are!), and that the dream was a little surreal. Hmmm, Tanna, I'm sure the bond goes both ways, do you want to try and be a bit more flirtatious, sensual, affectionate, pleasure-seeking, and coquettish? You know, keen on good food, engaging conversation, fun dance and song, ale and wine, pleasurable touch, companionship, the milder and safe sort of social drugs, all that stuff. I'm sure lots of us Winds would like that, and at least some of your companions wouldn't mind some flirting as well. Maybe help ground other you that the world still has some things in it that bring you and your body and mind (and thus her) joy and pleasure, dream or no?

Oh! I thought Evel'yee was the streets person. If Jacob is the streets person and is more okay with touch, can we retcon that I attempted to say that stuff both to Jacob and Evel'yee as both plausibly those that are aware of commoner culture. I'd try and ask both, since both seem socially rogue-y; plenty of bits of the question would be relevant for either's expertise. For what it's worth, I'd try and push the more 'town festival' parts of the question to Evel'yee and the more 'bacchanalia' parts of the question to Jacob, you can tweak the phrasing a bit, but the intent is to ask both of the street folk about multiple sorts of cultural events that commonfolk do.
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>>1122548
I don't know what reason she had there. Not even going to speculate. If she want help she will need to give an explanation with or without a Yellow related censorship in effect. No benefit of the doubt for something that large scale.
But at the same time I'm going to hold personal judgement until more context is reveal.

She is hotter Tanna because she is a crazy edgy goth chick, that automatically make her hotter. No deeper reasoning needed.

To ruin the joke by explaining: The "steamy dream" comment is more meant to weird out Tanna when she eventually come across those messages than something I actually expect to happen. When it comes to narratives I prefer a "fade to black" approach but I find provocations funny.
Also I'm not considering hotter Tanna as her "older sister". They are the same person and current Tanna would experience such a dream even if she forget details about her world ending conspiracy plans after.

Maybe you would get more reliable answers about cautionary details like contraception from Mina. The rogue-y ones might lie about stuff like that to mess with us or Tanna.
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>>1122549


Contraception was just one of the things I'm curious about to ground myself in this particular world and its logic. Like, we could ask Mina, I suppose which species of people are interfertile with which others and why and whether it was always that way IS something to ask Mina?

Also, are you entirely sure they are the same person? To a large extent, we are our memories and our beliefs and personality and the decisions we make. How sure are you that those things are the same? We don't know the particular metaphysics, we don't even know if that being has a separate body and is sending dreams remotely. Sure, it's possible it's just a dream, but in my experience, in worlds like this, in situations like this... dreams are often more than just dreams.


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