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84312 No. 84312 ID: d470e9

For, as one could guess, discussing Fen Quest.

Some of you may know that Fen Quest was an intermission for Chee Quest. This may be a reboot, but other than that, it will have nothing to do with Cheelop. It will not even be part of the same universe, so the rules of cheeverse (what rules there were) will not apply.

To elaborate this, which requires heavy CheeQuest spoilers, Cheequest steamrolled into Fenquest near its ending, crushing any sort of proper ending. It was most likely my biggest mistake questing, and did play into my deciding to reboot it. Secondly, the reason why it doesn't take place in cheeverse is a matter of constraints. At the end of Cheequest, her world was effectively rebooted, promised by the gods to have it play out approximately the same, with the promise of Fen and Lily living happily ever after and so on. I'd rather not have that promise, among other things people could safely make assumptions about. Nor do I want to just redo it as-is while still in the chaos god's dream, if just because the looming threat of Chee inevitably crashing into Fen's life isn't something I want even if it occurred after the end.

I would much rather start on a clean slate.

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No. 126611 ID: eeb7d9

I knew there was going to be an attack, but not like this, and specially not to Hydril. I was sure that the assassins were going to attack Fen again at some point, not this. And it made me really nervious. It has been a while since a felt that we could actually die if we fucked up.
No. 126612 ID: bb78f2

This really may only could be interpreted as a warning of the threats we are facing. One of those things that we think we could have done something about, but really we could not.

We like to think we have full agency or control over what can happen in a quest, but the reality is we don't even have that here.

There are chains of events out of our reach, just because we rubbed up against this one didn't mean we really had a chance of affecting it, maybe it could affect US, but not the other way around. This is survivor's guilt we're feeling.
No. 126616 ID: 10c408

Hindsight being 20/20, here's what I believe the red flags were that we should have followed up on, in no particular order.

#1: we didn't check with Hydril, or anyone else for that matter, about the validity of Sir Impelus's emblem. We took her word that it was genuine and didn't fact-check this after it was shown.
#2: she begged us to leave/stay outside right after getting cleared by the front desk pawn.
#3: She also wanted us to wait outside when we first ran into her.
#4: we took her word on way too much stuff through the entire thing. Not only the inherent discrepancies with her mana but also that she's been delayed a lot by proving her identity to various other groups of guards. Something that would have been easily proven one way or the other by flagging down some guards.
#5: Fen himself mentions that she "could have swallowed something" while waiting around outside in the post just before butteknife coughs up whatever enchanted blade she had.
#6: we also went along with her request to stay outside during the whole thing.
No. 126617 ID: 298905

Even if we picked up on all that, I don't think there's much we could have added, apart from the slim possibility of talking her down somehow. She seemed entirely out of our league, combat-wise.

Though, now I think of it, I did notice Hydril and his pawns all weren't wearing armor, and Fen and company were. If we'd been wearing our helmets, maybe that could have slowed her down enough to do something, but we weren't. If she's that high-class enough an assassin I'd bet she has a magic sword, anyway, though.
No. 126619 ID: eeb7d9
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Hey, speaking of Fen's and co combat-level, wouldn't it be neat to have some sort of chart to see how much skill they have right now? Kinda like a spider chart? We can go and update it each time we see some kind of progress. Or to at least compare Fen's abilities with his companions. Just to pass time.
No. 126620 ID: 10c408

Only if the control group for expressing/comparing skill levels is portrayed as X# of cats.
No. 126622 ID: b1b4f3

Considering how high the skill ceiling is, it'll have to be a logarithmic scale or something.
No. 126627 ID: e1d580

No. 126628 ID: eeb7d9

What would that be?
No. 126633 ID: c0641d

Looking back at the hints provided by Zizi and Butterknife, and taking the interpretation of one >>912697 into account, part of me suspects that what happened to them (along with possibly Lord Shup, if we consider his suspiciously sudden breakout into the world of magecraft) may have been similar to what happened to preboot!Fen. I haven’t read that far into the original Fen Quest myself, though, so there might be disparate details I’m unaware of.
No. 126634 ID: e1d580

Essentially... Confirmed not happening from IRC discussions. To avoid spoilers for preboot Fen, the force that intervened for that version of Fen is not active in the current setting.
No. 126635 ID: eeb7d9

For what i can see, almost EVERYTHING has been changed with few exceptions. Even Fen's personality is different. Don't worry about the original story, they are two different things.
No. 126640 ID: 91ee5f

We’ve all been hearing about how some mutants win the “mutation lottery” and get a useful mutation.

I keep thinking that if Fen somehow got mutated, he’d not only win the lottery, he’d win the fucking mutation jackpot and get a really amazing mutation!

But that’s just me and wishful thinking. I’d rather avoid mutating because we honestly don’t need a mutation.
No. 126644 ID: eeb7d9

I am fairly sure that there must be more safer ways of "powering up" than that. Besides, it kinda feels like cheating a little. If Fen survives, if not, is suicide.
No. 126645 ID: b1b4f3

No guarantee Lily would still like a mutated Fen, either.
No. 126646 ID: bb78f2

Honestly, it sounds like to get the powerup we need to get anime as fuck, we need to like, perform a dragon break, Elder Scrolls style. Like some sort of CHIM bullshit.
No. 126651 ID: eeb7d9

On a serious tone, Cheese did make it sound like is more of a realisation of oneself. We have being doing the training alright and even harder than before. But we are still lacking that "Oh now i get it" moment. At least that is how she made it sound like when it happened to Zizi and Butterknife.
No. 126658 ID: 10c408

Problem is, we can't bother Cheese to give up the answer. Blood oath and all that.

We can and probably should try to get more information out of Zizi after the campaign is over with.
No. 126659 ID: eeb7d9

Yeah she already told us anything she could about that, but still, it was quite informative.

>Ask Zizi about it.
If we can get an proper answer out of him, that is. You know how bad at teaching stuff he is.
No. 126660 ID: 91ee5f

>safer ways of "powering up"
What are you talking about? I never said that Fen should mutate himself for a power up.

I just said that if he ends up getting mutated, he’d have to be pretty damn lucky to get a useful mutation and not end up like one of those mutants that’s stuck in one place and needs others to take care of him.
No. 126661 ID: 298905

Lily might not be into mutants, anyway.

I mean, you never know, but...
No. 126662 ID: eeb7d9

My bad, i misunderstood. I guess we will have to wait and see.
No. 126670 ID: bb78f2

Lagotrope, what are you doing!? You can't design a character that looks like THAT and make her a waitress that's probably going to only be around for two or three pages. You put together Krystal from Star Fox, Minerva Mink, Nala's Sex Face, and Jessica goddamn Rabbit and dunked them all in Ghost Pepper Hot Sauce.

It goes against all sense of character design! She's in a robe with enchanting green eyes for christ sake, she's supposed to be a huge villain! What is she doing here?
No. 126671 ID: eeb7d9

I see i wasn't the only one stunned by this new character. The shenanigan possibilities are endless.
No. 126672 ID: 91ee5f

>she's supposed to be a huge villain!
Stereotyping someone based on what she looks like? Shame on you.
No. 126695 ID: deec6e

Good ending there. Looking forward to the next Fenthread!
No. 126696 ID: 8269f3

It might be some time till the next thread but I really enjoyed this one! Shame about the original sword though, hopefully someone finds it down in the Mausoleum
No. 126700 ID: eeb7d9

I had a nice time too. Let's hope we get more action next time around.
No. 126702 ID: 6243e7

This was a lot of fun.
No. 126707 ID: 864e49


I for one think Kylia is just fiiiiiine.
Hoping we see more of her in the future, maybe she'll end up on the Fen squad.
No. 126708 ID: 91ee5f

You know what I just realized? We used to also use a bow and arrows, but ever since we came out of the anomaly after running into Garlic Soup the first time, we stopped using them.

Does anyone think we should do some archery training or should we not worry about it?
No. 126709 ID: 298905

Well, the reasoning behind that is that arrows don't really do any damage to undead, and that we're running around underground in a tomb, so there usually isn't enough space for ranged attacks to be a huge advantage. That's been proven wrong to an extent, there have been big open spaces, but not a lot of them.

Nested realities is sort of a recurring theme in Lago quests, so while the old Fen Quest's reality-or-lack-thereof isn't exactly the case any more, I wonder if there's something going on that's somehow similar? Like, the spirit of the land is one giant sleeping/dreaming entity and magic and kobold souls are just its dreams and you have to realize that? Realize your individuality is an illusion and then try not to care? Something like that?
No. 126712 ID: 91ee5f

Well I just thought that arrows could be enchanted to actually do damage to the undead. Like, didn’t we have some arrows that could glow in the dark in a previous thread? I think they were used to light up areas around us.

Anyways, couldn’t we have something like enchanted arrows that explode when they hit something? Or maybe just set the undead on fire? Or, I don’t know, anti-undead arrows?
No. 126713 ID: 298905

Most undead are just cheap zombies, so most of the enemies you'll be fighting wouldn't be worth the expense of an arrow like that. Your wizards' time could be better spent. I'm not sure if there is specific anti-undead magic, in any case. When Fen was offered an enchant for his sword, it wasn't brought up as a possibility.
No. 126714 ID: 91ee5f

Yeah, cheap zombies might not be worth it (unless they’re in a really big group), but those arrows could be useful against the bigger zombies, like the body Garlic Soup was using when we first met him.
No. 126716 ID: eeb7d9

We don't really have use for arrows now, but if we use poison and stuff it would come handy in the future, at least as a tool.

was thinking... Maybe it has something to do with the sacred beasts? They are not gods but they intervene directly in the kobold world after dying. Fen is a draconic kobold, so maybe he should go to the place of origin of his kind and somehow make a conection there. Maybe that is what happened to Zizi and other extraordinary characters.
In the old quest, Fen had the "favor" of the God of War, but gods don't exist in this world, so maybe there must be some other thing that gives power to the strongest.
No. 126728 ID: f46e5e

Is there a 'usual' wait time between threads and if so what is it. even just a months or weeks. I want to know when I can start hoping for the next thread
No. 126729 ID: 90f3c0

Nope. Lagotrope runs like half a dozen quest, and how he balances them tends to be... inconsistent. Sometimes the next thread starts without much delay, sometimes he focuses on other quests for a while.
No. 126731 ID: bfb318

It's true, and as much I'd like to be able to set specific dates and hold to them, I don't have a good record with sticking to rigid schedules.
No. 126734 ID: eeb7d9

Don't worry, it comes faster if you forget about it for a while, or just read some other quest he's doing. Eventually, you will be reading your favorite quest without realizing it.
No. 126739 ID: a9af05

We were told that the undead may have robbed some of the mythril nobles' tombs of their treasures and if we found any, we're supposed to return them for a reward.....or be killed if we attempted to keep them.

I'm kinda curious if some of the treasures are weapons. Because if they are, would we be allowed to borrow them for use against the undead or do we need to return them because someone will think that we're attempting to keep them for ourselves?
No. 126740 ID: f5c62a

Already seen, we bring them and receive a ticket for an equivalent weapon from the armory.
No. 126741 ID: a9af05

Where was that? I don't remember that happening.
No. 126744 ID: eeb7d9

I think it was when we pulled the cursed sword from the Ice worm It had an enchantment and we exchange it for another enchanted sword that we currently have.
No. 126746 ID: 91ee5f

Are you talking about the sword that a wizard discovered an enchantment on it that made whoever held it easier to be possessed? Which caused Zall to put Fen under quarantine out of concern that he might become possessed by the necromancers?

Because that didn’t seem like something that was stolen from a mythril noble’s tomb. Other than the “make you easier to be possessed” enchantment, the only significant thing about it was that it also had a lightweight enchantment.

I think that was just a normal sword that was enchanted for use by the necromancers’ undead soldiers and not something that was stolen from a mythril noble’s tomb.
No. 126747 ID: eeb7d9

If that is the case then i don't know about recompenses from stolen tomb items.
No. 126748 ID: 15a025

Little late to the party, but this was a pretty great thread.
No. 126797 ID: b1b4f3

I realized something about dragoncloth that may at least partially be why kobolds treasure and revere it.
It doesn't rot. It does the OPPOSITE of that, as it repairs itself over time. Nothing else does this. Dragoncloth doesn't give a shit about crossing borders!

Considering its name and the fact that the only Greater Beast we know anything about is called a dragon, I'm guessing it originates from the corpse of it somehow(I'm sure someone has already theorized this). If anyone were to find the bodies of the other Greater Beasts I'm guessing there would be other materials like dragoncloth.
No. 126799 ID: 91ee5f

I think one of the characters in the quest already told Fen that when he asked about what makes Dragoncloth so special. I just can’t remember which character told him that.
No. 126801 ID: eeb7d9

I think EVERYONE Fen encountered has told him told him about the dragoncloth's properties and why is so valuable.
No. 126806 ID: b1b4f3

I remember it being something vague like "it's a symbol of status, people revere it like a religion", nothing involving the reasons behind why they love it so much.
No. 126809 ID: daffb0

Stuff to keep in mind for next thread: Moss once commented on higher level knights needing to be proficient with things like debate and contests and duels, as well as kimankara, so Fen should try get some practice at those. If he's aiming to be a noble he should probably also try to get more politically aware and have at least a basic knowledge of how to employ spies and so on, and with this stuff Holly's doing now it's a good opportunity to get learning.
No. 126810 ID: eeb7d9

I agree, he needs to start learning this kind of stuff. He should also start lerning how to administrate... things, like a noble or whatever they do? What kind of noble will Fen be, has it been establish already? Can we take Wrix's spot or Lord Bardo? That would be cool. We basically get to be one step under Shup, that should be enough for Lily's father, right?
No. 126850 ID: 10c408

I think it's more important to learn how to fight better and stay alive long enough to finish the campaign against the necromancers before worrying about future plans that would be all for naught if we slack off and get ripped to shreds like Sir Hydril did by abominations, reanimated mythril noble corpses and god knows what other nightmare factory nonsense is waiting for us down below.
No. 126851 ID: 10c408

I think it's more important to learn how to fight better and stay alive long enough to finish the campaign against the necromancers before worrying about future plans that would be all for naught if we slack off and get ripped to shreds like Sir Hydril did by abominations, reanimated mythril noble corpses and god knows what other nightmare factory nonsense is waiting for us down below.
No. 127045 ID: 58c855

We need to get butterknife to teach us her combat secrets; I get the feeling that we're gonna be facing Dragon Knight level opponents at some point.
No. 127086 ID: b1b4f3

We were told directly by Cheese that Butterknife cannot teach it.
No. 127121 ID: eeb7d9

Yeah, besides, we probably will have to kill her for all the shit she caused to us and her family, that is Cheese's.
No. 127122 ID: eeb7d9

I love to come back to this thread and see this. Every. Fucking. Time.
No. 128859 ID: a48264

What happened to Fen Quest?
No. 128860 ID: a48264

Nevermind, I'm mildly retarded and never realized the thread ended. Thanks for gifting us such a wonderful story so far!
No. 129809 ID: 3674e7

I wonder when fen quest will be back.
No. 129813 ID: 4f51b2

Hope is soon, alongside with story seeker they are my favorite quest. I realy miss both kobolds.
No. 129815 ID: eeb7d9

The wait will be worth it. I just know it.

Also, this never cease to amuse me.
No. 129816 ID: 4f51b2

I'm sure of it. I just wish we had at least a SS dis thread to properly dicuss it.
No. 129827 ID: 9aaeef

I have tried to discuss it in the kobold general at /trash/ but nobody replays most of the time.
No. 131450 ID: d3cb99

For some reason lately I can't help but think back at the whole trial arc of thread 3, and Cheese's incertitude on whether to frame just Cati, or both her and Bardo.

Now I think, if Lady Apanya wanted Lord Bardo to live, she could have easily saved him: A well-chosen question to Cheese would have directed her to reveal she planned to pay off Bardo with the proceeds from the sale, allowing him to pass off his bogus claim as a misunderstanding.
No. 131910 ID: ef2ac9

We are back in buisnes boys!
No. 131912 ID: 4f51b2

Glad is back, Fen and story seeker are not only my favorite quests from lago but my favorite quests in general.
No. 131914 ID: 9aaeef

Same, almost split my soda when I saw the new thread.
No. 131915 ID: b23117

Finally one of the best quests returns.
No. 131950 ID: 4f51b2

Sorry I don't understand pretty well how the 85 roll affect us. Can smebody explain it.
No. 131951 ID: 1d7c77

As I understand it... in order to make sure people don't think Fen has invulnerable plot armor, Lago decided to put his fate up to chance. We were told there was a 1 in 10 Fen would die. Lago decided to roll a d100, with higher numbers being better. If Fen got 10 or less, he dead. To make it more interesting, it's probably the case that there's a spectrum of success, too - something like if he got just barely above 10 he would survive but be crippled for a while and not get any benefit, and if he got above 90 or something he'd get well super fast and also figure out mana stealth instantly or something. Aira's fate might also have been included in that.

85 is pretty good, so things should be pretty good. But they might not have been! Remember this.
No. 131952 ID: baec18

Earlier in thread 7 it was mentioned that the chance of survival was roughly 10%, and in the post you're talking about it was mentioned higher was better. An 85% means we are very alive, and will probably recover faster, with fewer issues, or with a stronger positive impact on our mana stealth.

I'm honestly not a huge fan of busting out a roll for the survival of one of the sickest quest protagonists on the site, assuming he would have actually just mf'in died outright if we rolled bad, but on the other hand it was pretty fairly telegraphed so whatev.
No. 131954 ID: 4f51b2

That would be a horrible ending for Fen and the quest damn. Glad it didn't happend. Thank for the answers.
No. 131956 ID: 1d7c77

Well, he probably wouldn't have just died, but some horrible turn of events like his body stolen and being returned/trapped in an undead body, or another terrible no-good absolutely undesired turn of events, that would have allowed the quest to continue somehow.
No. 131957 ID: ddb4c1

I actually panic a little bit. I didn't expected a roll for Fen to not die, him of all people.
No. 131958 ID: 9aaeef

Yeah me too, maybe is Lago’s way to tell us to stop being so reckless?
No. 131959 ID: 10c408

It was a 1D200 roll, with a result of 85. That's 42.5% if the math checks out. I am legitimately concerned with the fallout out this roll in regards to not just Fen's health, but also Aira's.

That said, since the POV is currently on Moss... We should try and get cheese to pull some strings and make this Lady Apanya's problem.
No. 131961 ID: 1d7c77

No, check the actual dice roll code in the email field. The "Moss" above that post is a link, see? Hover over it and you'll see the dice command that was given. Lago just made a typo when he wrote what was being done, as he declared by putting in a spoilered correction just a couple of posts later.
No. 131964 ID: bb78f2

This die roll made me question if Lagotrope has a history DMing or not. I mean, this isn't far from DMing in and of itself, but still, I ponder.
No. 131966 ID: a0dfd2


Well, we WERE given a quote of a 1-in-10 chance of death.

So unless there was an arbitrarily chosen range (or sequence) of 20 values which result in our instant demise, I think it's safe to assume that ONLY a score less than or equal to 20 or greater than 180 would be bad.
No. 131968 ID: 1d7c77

Fen Quest related thoughts that I want to get down somewhere before I forget them: isn't it weird that the crows and frogs are so smart?

Like, with the crows it was easy to pass by, because real crows are pretty smart anyway and it would be a relatively minor change. But frogs? It's not like they have mutated bigger brains or anything, they look like normal frogs. But they also don't register as being especially magical, and the "zones" these types of creates come from are "non-magical", in the sense that they don't have mana kobolds can sense.

There must be some sort of magical effect that enhances their intelligence without creating an obvious mana concentration. And doesn't "enhanced abilities with no obvious mana concentration" sound familiar? Isn't that the same thing Fen got from Butterknife? Now, one would think that Butterknife (and Zizi's, and Dragon Knights'?) enhancement ability would have more of a physical aspect, but there would at least have to be some mental aspect (your brain would have to be able to keep up with your body) and, theoretically, something that can enhance what brain tissue can do should be able to enhance nerves and maybe muscles and so on as well. And it might not be physical, it could just be some brain/nervous system enhancement that gives them bullet time super planning and reflexes.

In short, maybe whatever enhances the crows, frogs and similar creatures to advanced intelligence can also enhance kobolds to super speed brain mode? Even if it's magical, nervous system enhancement could be subtle enough in terms of power consumption to not register, but I'm thinking it doesn't work on the same magic "system" that kobold wizards use. The precise mechanism, I don't know. Maybe, since the lands can remember, they can also "think", and a creature can offload part of their brain's processing load onto it?

Again, it's notable that the crows/frogs/etc come from "dead" zones. Maybe things are the other way around than we think, though - maybe instead of the dead zone creating the crows/frogs/etc, they created the dead zone? Maybe "sharing" their brains with the land gives it some more measure of awareness and "will" in that area, which it then uses to deny the mana there to kobolds?

It's a theory, anyway. I'm going to try remember to suggest it to Fen next time we're with him.
No. 131974 ID: ddb4c1

What's DMing?
No. 131975 ID: 91ee5f

It stands for Dungeon Mastering.

Basically it’s performing as a Dungeon Master, or running a tabletop role-playing game like Dungeons and Dragons, Pathfinder, Warhammer 40k, etc.
No. 131976 ID: bb78f2

I actually meant DMing on twitter, I swear

OH I bet you Lagotropes a HUGE Tabletop Twitter I tell you what
No. 131977 ID: ddb4c1

Oooh, DM, got it. It wouldn't surprise me. He is good at making stories, so i don't see why not.
I am eager for the next update. I can't get enough of FenQuest.
No. 131982 ID: 465a14

DMing is a lot of effort on top of a lot of quests but I agree that Lago has the talent for it.
No. 132013 ID: 91ee5f

You know, I think it’d be a little funny if we find out that someone sent Sayanos to us and expected us to kill him right off the bat. And then we didn’t kill him and whoever sent him to us is thinking, “Oh great, now I’ve actually gotta make Sayanos useful to me!”
No. 132014 ID: 10c408

So, just to inform the newer people who haven't yet fully read fen's quest. Fen narrowly killed a gold noble in thread 2 by the name of Raysan over the theft of a particular item that happened to be in Fen's possession.

At the end of thread three, Fen is ordered by the court to make up for his cold blooded murder of Raysan with military service.

Unfortunately, this isn't enough for every individual that was a relative of or worked for Raysan. They put a fairly substantial bounty of Fen's head and have never stopped trying to get him killed since. The money might as well be immaterial to them, because they simply do not care how many corpses Fen makes. Only that he pays for Raysan's death with his own.
No. 132019 ID: a0dfd2


Please allow me to introduce you to the spoiler tag:

Like any other tag, you use the word 'spoiler' to hide things.

Since, you know, not everyone may have read the quest yet, and giving away the core plot of the first 3 chapters is a disservice to them.
No. 132020 ID: 10c408

I omitted almost all of the plot from threads 2 and 3 by simply not including them in my post. Yes, mentioning Raysan getting his throat ripped out by fen is a disservice but so is simply not reading the quest and making assumptions based off of the current thread and being unaware of just how little the people behind Fen's bounty care about the lives of their pawns.
No. 132026 ID: bb78f2

You know after seeing Sayanaros so soon, I kind of feel a little limp dicked about killing him.

I thought I'd have more time to hype me up about killing the sonuvabitch.
No. 132028 ID: 4bed1d

Maybe that is what Lago wants you to feel. Planting the seed of doubt. Should we kill him now? Or not? Choices choices!
No. 132033 ID: 10c408

Honestly, I find the occasions Lagos presents to us when we have a clear goal in mind (killing Sayanos) but everything else included raises significant amounts of doubt (Is Sayanos concealing a blade? Was it Gahn who stabbed the pillow? Is it even a good idea to kill Sayanos now?) to be probably the biggest attraction to his quests. For me at least, dunno about anyone else.
No. 132035 ID: 10c408

Fog of war in narrative format. The first Polo quest thread being the greatest example, with Fen quest thread seven being up there as well.
No. 132036 ID: 4bed1d

I agree. He gives off this sensation that our decisions have more repercussions that we think, or that we have even more options than we think. I like that.
No. 132076 ID: 15a025

I kind of liked the irony how Moss got paranoid about him having a spiked codpiece and then turns around to pretty much deliver that surprise on Sayanos instead.
No. 132478 ID: ff5854

So just to be sure I got it right, Sayanos was keen enough to use a body double, but Krix decided to "play dumb" and pronounce him dead anyway, triggering succession?
No. 132479 ID: b1b4f3

Maybe? Heck, maybe Sayanos knew he wasn't cut out for the job and faked his own death to escape.
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