Yeah, added the Mancies. And I noticed that we really need to go to task on the World part of the wiki, it's very lacking. And I do think we should integrate the Stat Blocks into the character listings.

>>330806
Well ideally we would wait until we had a surplus of warriors and makers before enacting this training in full swing. For now basic Night Warriors could be a reality in a month or two. I'm not sure if there are any more wandering suitors that aren't part of Goran's clan in disguise. But like I said, this is merely an outline to be changed and tweaked to suit our needs.

Falcon 2010/07/30(Fri)20:10 No. 21042 ID: 0fda82
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>>330802
>>330806
Hoe about this, Instead of segmenting it like that, you apply the same base runes relating to the moon and add EXTRA runes dealing with certain phases of the moon and stuff.

So yea, instead of busting your brain over a single set, make multiple.

Yessssss.

Multiple abilities for each phase of the moon. They will be unpredictable.

But would the space taken up by the eight runes for each phase of the moon, only one being active at any given time, be better used by eight runes that are slightly less restricted so they're all active?

Shit this is difficult to brain. We need to quantify magic power if that hasn't already been done. Gentlemen. We must measure the Thaum.

>>330866
Hrm, does thinking about it like Magical (water) Pressure help you? No?
Ok then.

I am not sure how to explain this.

it's like light. a restriction is a lens. the more and better lenses you use the more focused and powerful it is. my example of planets aligned would be like a giant lens of immense power. able to focus TONS of energy into a single point.

No, no, no. You see, the runes will be tattooed around their neck, or their wrists. Each one will only work under the following conditions:

-The moon is in the proper phase.
-Sunlight is not touching the rune.
-The rune must be inscribed on a premen.
-The run must be inscribed on (location).
-all the runes are intact.

That's five very restictive conditions, probably amplifying the magic in the runes a great deal.

>>330875

-The moon is in the proper phase.
-Sunlight is not touching the rune.
-The rune must be inscribed on a premen.
-The rune must be inscribed on (location).
-all the runes are intact.
-Second (well really the primary) set of runes that only work at night.
-A tertiary set of runes that only work during a full or new moon.


Removed #5, because that means that if they get stabbed or sliced, they lose their abilities. I don't think it is worth the boost. But ya, debatable.

Added 5 and 6 respectively to ensure that they always get a boost, no matter what phase of the moon and so that they have a trump card for those periods.

I would add an eclipse clause, but it seems that it would take up too much space for a super boost that only works for a few minutes.

The Eclipse rune would be entirely different, following my original ideas for the other phases, while instead adding the following restrictions.

-Only works in the shadow of an eclipse.
-The rune must be exposed to air.
-The moment the rune is shown to the enemy, it ceases function.
Full restrictions:
>-Sunlight is not touching the rune.
>-The rune must be inscribed on a premen.
>-The run must be inscribed on the back.
>-all the runes are intact.

The boon granted by this rune is pure and simple. Hulk out. I want you to picture for a moment how utterly terrifying it would be to look out, into the darkness of an eclipse, and see about a hundred creatures, each one the size of Mordre himself, wielding massive mauls.

We will not have our major battles that we use these men in happen randomly, they will be planned. Thus, it makes sense that their greatest use will be breaking a seige during an eclipse.

I have an idea for some super soldiers for you all to think about and tweak to your heart's content. This branch will be called The Battle Hardened. The basic concept is that they are warriors who grow more powerful when blood is spilled on the battle field and more death they are surrounded with, this will make them perfect for large scale battles. To achieve this effect they will, like the Night Walkers, be tatooed with multiple sets of runes. The primary set of runes have several basic restrictions, the first is that they obviously must be permanantly tattood on the skin of the Premen, the second is that they must be exposed, the third is that these runes must be placed above their vital organs and veins, and the fourth and final restriction is that they must in battle and near by dead or mortally wounded combatants from either side. Then they will have multiple secondary sets of runes that activate and provide additional power when certain conditions are met, but must be placed near one of the primary runes while the set is stlll functioning. It will not just be one secondary set of runes that provides the bonuses because I'd prefer them to gain a sizeable amount of power right after one of the conditions is met rather than waiting for several to be met at one time to gain one big additional bonus from a single set of interconnected runes. These conditions will be things like having one of the Battle Hardened's own number die, having the majority of ones runes covered in the enemie's blood, having slain a certain number of the enemy. Optimally these guys would be a sect small in number that would be sprinkled about the main attack force.

Would the Premen know when an eclipse is going to happen, though? I mean, just guessing, they don't seem to be the best astronomers, but then again, magic.

Also, I'm not sure if a rune for an eclipse would be worth it. Sure, you get ten or so minutes of AMAZING power, but would this be worth the trade-off of having that rune take up the space another rune could be using, and moderately be boosting power all the time? Cracking a siege during an eclipse? Maybe there wouldn't have been a siege if the night raids had been a bit better, a bit faster, burning more of their supplies, killing more of their command, etc etc.

Magic, Magic, Magic. I've been trying to brain it, thinking of what we would need to do in order to quantify it, and it's difficult. We probably won't be able to quantify it until we fully understand the interconnections between the fuel sources, and a bunch of other junk. But it brought up some question, most of which forgotten since they were in the shower/at midnight, but a couple stuck.

For example, How exactly does the power differ between inexperienced mages and big monstrously powerful mages?

Say they were standing in the same field, same conditions, thus the total power they could draw on would be the same (Just thinkin' world magic right now). Obviously, the more experienced mage would achieve more impressive results with his magic, but how? Would it be just he could use more of the total amount of fuel in the area, while the newbie couldn't pull it all? Would the more experienced mage's soul sort of... multiply the energy he's drawing in, to have more for the output? Or oh jesus christ where did I go with this train of thought. I completely lost the thread of that idea. It was something to do with the difficulty in quantifying magic power because of...

shit I just completely lost it. Maybe it'll come back to me later. I'm going to go ahead and post this anyways though.

>>330898
From my understanding all of those reasons are true to some degree. Using world magic as an example we know that an amateur world mage, like Mordre, cannot draw on all the possible sources of world magic. When we absorbed our first few world mage souls we gained the ability to tap into leyines, but not ambient world magic. Beyond that a skilled world mage would probably be able to draw more from the leylines as well, though I can't recall specific examples for that. As for the using the energy they draw, I'm not quite sure. I think that the more skilled the mage the more effectively they use their magic. The quality of the soul also has something to do with the power level of the mage, the more they practice and focus on their goals the more in tune their soul becomes with their magic and it eventually becomes second nature. Eisenhardt mentioned something along those lines when talking about how he got so powerful. That's all that I've gathered though, I may be incorrect or hazy on some subjects so hopefully Bob or another poster can clarify further.

1 Dormivin (Winter)
2 Mors (Winter)
3 Mellitius (Spring)
4 Perennius (Spring)
5 Praeclarum (Spring)
6 Libiturnius (Spring)
7 Malanius (Summer)
8 Inferius (Summer)
9 Vescere (Summer)
10 Centum (Summer)
11 Astra (Fall)
12 Vigintum (Fall)
13 Enuberum (Fall)
14 Noctum (Fall)
15 Quindecimber (Winter)
16 Sedecimber (Winter)

Zakday, Morday, Atenday, Washiday, Corday, Lorthday, Castiday, Enduday, Rathday, Randinday: one Cycle.

>>330902
Yeah, I thought it was all of that, and being able to use the power drawn more efficiently. Or something.

You know, the more I think about it, the more Quantifying magic power seems extremely extremely difficult. I'm probably not even thinking about it in the right way.

>>330895
This seems like an interesting concept, sadly, I don't think it is possible the way you have it because of size restrictions. For teh magic to recogniae blood spilled on teh battlefield, It woudl likely need runes for:
-Spacial Recognition: for what area it considers the 'battlefield' and recognizing objects inside it
-Blood stuff: for determining what on the battlefield it blood and what isn't
- Heck maybe even chrono stuff: to determine if this is blood from ages past or if it was spilled during a pre-determined period in relation to the present time. If not, the power would be limited to what was spilled in a certain area around the warrior and if he moves away he would lose the bonus.

In any case, spatial runes are famous for their size (if I remember correctly, or maybe that is just the one for distortion), so this likely wouldn't work for a human sized target, maybe a golem.

As I said, interesting concept, but it needs a little overhaul before even considering restrictions. Just pointing out some things that came to mind so everyone can refine this. Not trying to be a Jackass or anything.

>>330898
Think of it like skill in sports or martial arts. As you do it more, you become familiar with the actions and techniques you have to use to produce the desired effect.
Your train of thought is close, my brain is too tired to say if you are spot on or not.

(WARNING: I am famous for my bad examples, read the next paragraph at your own risk)
As for quantifying? Lets take a look at martial artists again. In a bout between two fighters it is hard to say which is better. In some cases it is clear that one is superior (like soul Magic is superior to word), but in other cases it is difficult to say who would win based on the current factors like who is in better shape, who has more experience, who has more victories, who has shoes with better grip, etc, blah blah blah.

I guess what my tired head is trying to say is that the strength of any form of magic is proportional to the state of the environment and the material you are working with.

Oh yes, for all you people going crazy over restrictions. Remember that with each power boost comes a downside.

We all seem to be outlining restrictions that give power boost based on certain conditions being met, but I don't think the only downside presented will be that you have to wait until they are met.

Just thinking out loud I suppose.

Feel free to disregard these as the ramblings of a tired man.

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>>330919
Quantifying, I think I meant like quantifying force, like newtons, expressing the power of a spell numerically, or something. Expressing the potency of the fuel numerically too. Honestly right now I've completely lost the thread.

I doubt it's possible, and if it is it definitely won't be easy!

>>330922
Hmm. I attached that picture ten minutes before I posted and completely forgot about it. What was I doing with that picture? Uh.

Why did I ask that one question again? Shit, I've completely lost it.

1 thaum is the least amount of magic required to move one gram one inch.

There.

WHELP, I went on a whim and decided to browse through the old Golemquest threads. Wouldn't you know it, nestled away in a tiny little paragraph near the 3/4ths point of the first thread was this little gem:

>When I was still bound to a master, before the fall of Mosmordre, the emperor was a man titled 'Master Of Woe'.... I also recall him being called the 'War Feaster'. I do not believe I ever heard this individuals actual name, though.

I would go so far as to postulate that, considering that Jojo's prediction coincided QUITE NICELY with Mordre's arrival, that the following may hold a bit of truth:

One of the original 15 souls that we had stored may have actually been the Emperor.

Hell, while I'm at it, I might as well just make this into a full blown theory for them Pristine souls (yes, I'm aware that it's similar to my previous theory. Call me paranoid, but the fact that my earlier theory was ignored leads me to believe that it hit close to the mark):

Its been established that the Royalty of Mosmordre has a naming convention (the Emperors actual name was Mordrenoth, and Duke Mordrecai's name leads me to believe the two were related by blood in some matter, a situation not uncommon in nobles of small nations, however powerful). Additionally, the mention of "Third Eye". In many cases, such a feature is connected with the idea of peering through some form of obfuscation, most notably...time. Yes, that means precognition.

Then there's the creature that hounds us, which is said to be directly related to our own sapience AND our ability to use Pristine souls (the Pristine soul use involves MOrdre, The Creature, and The Duke). The creatures origin has been largely deduced to be an offshoot of the curse, the end result of bodies undergoing mutation while the souls were elsewhere...likely, within MORDRE, since it's drawn to Mordre. It also underwent transformation DIRECTLY after a massive influx of souls to Mordre, further lending credence to the link between the two, and more.

I propose that the Emperor, or perhaps the Duke, realized what was going to happen (I Maintain clairvoyance/precog), and so sought to protect themselves and the ruling caste, or perhaps the Emperor alone (given the apparent Mosmordren mindset of "NATIONALISM, MY LIFE FOR THE HOMELAND", this is not an unreasonable assumption). The question would have been: How?

By burying said individual/s (the most important parts at least: The Souls) within a construct: A soul grave.

But shielding a soul isn't enough. What happens after? Are they to just rot there, ensconced within?

Ah, but corruption and mutation were one of the key strengths of the Mosmordren Empire! They forged metals that induced such changes as would be wrought by the Curse (Necronostrium), and studied in-depth the links between body and soul. Perhaps they could predict to an extent what kind of changes could be wrought, and tailor them to suit their needs.

So what if, as this Soul Grave obtained more and more souls, the body/ies would in turn be fed as well, the link designed to mirror the two? What if the ultimate goal is to have the Emperor reborn, as one of the two forms, his soul residing within Mordre?

Regarding the Pristine soul use, again, I would cite the link of "Third Eye" and the capacity for Clairvoiyance. Perhaps it was an ability intrinsic to the Master of Woe, and as such, manifests through such? The Emperor was also called the War Feaster. He may have even fed upon souls similar to soul graves, using them to power this ability.

Actually, now that I think about it, it may be that the Patchwork beasts growth is SPECIFICALLY linked with our used of Pristine Souls, as the Growth could also be said to coincide with our use of pristine souls to calm and boost the Immortal Genocide...hmm...

Alternatively, perhaps a simpler explanation: It was NOT a plan of Duke Mordecai's for the Emperor's soul to be entombed, but due to his powerful will and sense of self, his soul simply Migrated to Mordre, as they are wont to do in such conditions as the Curse. The Patchwork Beast STILL would bear the link to Mordre, it just wouldn't have been planned.

Therefore, Duke Mordecai only truly has anything to do with Mordre's Sapience.

>>330925
And how much blood would that take? Or Will? Measuring the potential in the fuel, I think that was the sticky bit I was braining before.

>>330925
Or create one dove, or three small balls, or cause one rabbit to vanish.

>>330927
That makes more sense, because if they choose to put themselves into a golem I think they would have chosen one better than Mordre who, if I recall correctly, was made out of some cheap ass bronze and had a crappy claw.

The only way t would make sense is if they did not have enough time to make anything better or didn't have a better construct to choose for their stuff. Which I doubt.

Yeaaaa. If you want to quantify magic you would have to use different units for each magical discipline (or specify quantities) and standardize casting methods/procedure.

If people use different methods then its always going to be variable (eg, one guy thinks about hi smother when he does will magic, one guy thinks about being a badass, two different results)

Maybe. Maybe.

One thing I'm pretty sure of is that we'd have to finish up the unified magical theory first.

Golem Quest, counting only Bob's posts, is currently 513,000 words in length, making it about as long as Les Misérables, or somewhat less than three times the length of Frank Herbert's Dune.

Impressive

>>330952
Bravo Bob!

>>330952
Wooo! And I've been reading since the beginning! Bob, let's take this bad boy to War and Peace!

>>330969
Ok, War and Peace isn't that far from Le Mis. Atlas Shrugged, maybe? In length, not horrible uselessness.

It's less than one Galt Speech away from Atlas Shrugged, which was 540,000 words.

>>330978
Clearly you mean a Mordre speech, but true. Darn internet not giving me reliable data. Alright, how about 'Miss MacIntosh, My Darling' something I assume is about computers, mad science, and some 18th century fiction on OS-tan girls.

>>330979
I'm not familiar with that book, but I found a website clocking it at 700,000 words. ( http://listverse.com/2009/06/06/top-10-longest-novels-in-the-english-language/ )

>>330981
Yeah, that's the same one I used, after Wikipeida told me that Atlas Shrugged was about 645,000...although, that's what other people seem to say...

So lets just hope that Bob gets another 150,000 words written, at least.

>>330983
Given the chapter divisions, it may not be fair to compare length with single books. What is the word count on the Wheel of Time series?

>>330990
That depends on if the chapters represent discrete, completed storylines, or, like... chapters.

>>330990
3,734,312 words. Lets hope Bob gets that far, then.

>>330992
JUST YOU WAIT JORDON, I'LL KICK YOUR POSTHUMOUS ASS

LOL

>>330995
CLEARLY YOU MUST BOOKWRITE THIS. CLEARLY!

Ok, Glue! Where's my Scars of Yesterday Picture?

Indeed, I reckon that when (if) Golemquest finishes, Bob could do well to get this published and make some mailbox money. Of course, it would take some cleaning up. The stuff in square brackets would have to be omitted, certainly, and some story elements might make less sense upon review. I dunno.

>>331000
I see an 'If' there. Why is there an 'If' there?

>>331001
Obviously in case i pull a Jordon and die before finishing it, I'd expect.

>>331002
Huh...Well, what if we put you in a writenaught like small tomb then?

>>331003


EVEN IN DEATH I UPDATE

Noooooo, we need Mordre in space so you have to finish Golem quest.
I would buy your book as long as it has awesome images.
(Hopefully of course I get a free copy for being here since the first time we met the Yeti and helping to procure the first Pristine soul. No? Ok a discount then.)