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127013 No. 127013 ID: fc3e27

Quest: https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/915048.html

Disthread for my first ever Quest! I'm very new to this and probably really awful, so I'd love feedback and suggestions. Actually, the quest will probably die without them. Especially if I keep railroading this badly. Haha.
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No. 127018 ID: 2755f5

the wolf girls are real cute
No. 127021 ID: 9712ff

Thanks lol
I used to draw those for money
No. 127022 ID: 9712ff
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No. 127023 ID: 66ec08

just read it and i’m enjoying it already — my first feedback/advice, not just for quests but also as an artist in general, is to can the self-deprecation. you’ll feel better.

also don’t worry abt “railroading” when you’re only a handful of updates in! not every quest is a complete sandbox. clearly you have a plot in mind, and you’re getting us there. if we need to be scooted around a little bit to get into proper position for the story, that’s not railroading, it’s just proper guidance of your audience.

chill out! you’re doing great.
No. 127025 ID: 6d3b59

Aw, thank you! That's good to know. I'm terrified I'm doing something wrong haha

And I just straight up don't like my art. It's serviceable, I suppose.
No. 127026 ID: 66ec08

that’s a relatable feeling, and one that just means your eye is more skilled than your hand. you have the critical taste to know what you want from your work but your hand hasn’t caught up yet. it will!

fwiw, as a reader i’m really enjoying your art style. also, quests are a great way to improve anyway, since it’s just constant repetition.
No. 127027 ID: e6f27c


you're kinda cool
No. 127028 ID: 0c3c2c

I was asleep when you put up the paper doll. Give me an hour or two and I'll have an outfit designed for Eth. They seem rad and I hope they don't get killed by this isopod immediately.

Also, if you still draw wolfgirls for money I will pelt you with it to draw more.
No. 127030 ID: 9712ff

no u

go ahead! any outfit is better than one designed by me lol
and i will draw wolf girls for free if you'll be my friend
No. 127031 ID: 9712ff
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No. 127032 ID: eeb7d9

I am liking where this thing is going. Keep it up!
No. 127033 ID: 9712ff


Ayy I recognize you! I hope I can keep it going strong!
No. 127036 ID: eeb7d9

Hehe, kinda hard to miss that name, huh?
No. 127042 ID: 0c3c2c
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Heyo! This is late, but here's Eth in a pretty mundane surcoat, standard and traditional for wear by knights on duty, say they were suddenly awoken and slammed on their armor as fast as possible. Also gave her historically inaccurate steel lamellar! I'll probably have a few more to upload by tomorrow, though I might be a spot ill.
No. 127043 ID: 8e6b7b

Oh fuck thats really cool

Matrix eth

Looking forward to more!
No. 127044 ID: 930d12

I think she looks really cool in the lamellar, it's very interesting to look at.
No. 127049 ID: eeb7d9

It kinda looks like a norman knight's standard gear. I like it, seems easy to draw as well if you put a tunic on top of the chain mail.
No. 127054 ID: 0c3c2c
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For all your 'I will reap the souls of lizard-kind' needs!
No. 127055 ID: eeb7d9

This reminds me so much to "The Cat Lady".
No. 127056 ID: 0c3c2c
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"In time, she became a queen by her own hand, but that is a story for another time."
No. 127057 ID: 0c3c2c
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There's another, even more blatantly lewd version but it would be impolite to draw erotica of other people's characters without asking them first.

Also, the tiara is because she's winning a swimsuit contest.
No. 127065 ID: c7c0c5

Erotica away. I'm into it.

Also DAMN these are goooood
No. 127071 ID: eeb7d9

That was hilarious, i want to listen to the story of THAT!
No. 127074 ID: 0d5ab6


Thats in the sequel~
No. 127077 ID: 4f591e
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No. 127103 ID: eeb7d9

>Your heart has hardened a little.
Hey is this like, the choices we make affect Eth's personality? Can we make her more heartless or kind ro stuff like that?
No. 127105 ID: 5ca8ce

No. 127106 ID: 0c3c2c
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Roger that!

Thanks, I super appreciate the compliments!

>With the death of the last of the royal line and the near total destruction of the royal guard, the lizards quickly claimed the land, wiping out all hope of resistance in mere hours.

>'Ethelyne' as she was now called fought bravely but eventually lost consciousness from blood-loss and lack of oxygen amidst mountains of fallen foes, waking to find herself in chains.

>Now considered the last ranking official of the fallen monarchy, Eth was claimed as a rare prisoner and subjugated to endless public humiliation and exhibition, made to suffer unendurable indignity.

>In time, as the years passed. her captors grew careless around the now-surely-broken once-knight, the weakling mammal no match for superior lizard mating.

>Shortly thereafter, an exotic slave failed to show up to her regular shows and was impossible to find anywhere. No one ever connected this with the appearance of a rebellion of young and idealistic lizard-hybrids, or their mysterious queen...
No. 127107 ID: 5ca8ce


No. 127108 ID: 0c3c2c

If you'd like to discuss art further, I can always give you an email or discord address.
No. 127111 ID: ac8b4a
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So, funny story

Reno was the first character I designed for this

Guess what my design process was
No. 127113 ID: eeb7d9


No. 127114 ID: eeb7d9

Is that motherfucking Katia Managan? You made a PRINCESS based on Katia FUCKING Managan?
No. 127119 ID: 0c3c2c

This is the best.
No. 127149 ID: e63e6d
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Ignore this.
No. 127154 ID: eeb7d9


I know you said to ignore this, but are you ok?
No. 127155 ID: a9af05

No, you can't make me ignore this!
No. 127156 ID: e63e6d


Its just so I can link a self portrait in my wiki page haha

im as okay as ever
No. 127157 ID: b1b4f3

Just one thing:
Cutscenes are traditionally marked in the subject field, with "1/2" then "2/2" or something similar.
No. 127158 ID: e63e6d


That... makes a lot of sense, actually. Sorry! And thank you!
No. 127159 ID: 094652

That was awesome!
No. 127162 ID: 2fceed

A shame I was late to the party, I wanted to suggest having the princess "chance upon" the lewdcuts to try and elicit a nosebleed.
No. 127164 ID: edfbdc

Okay so the listed stat increases are a hardened heart and playfulness. Currently Eth is on trend for some kind of lewd assassin which is interesting if not a little worrying.
No. 127165 ID: 864e49

Did you know that:
Upper Þ and lower þ use to be used in old English to represent the th sound and the name of the letter was thorn? So Thorne can be spelled Þorne or just Þ.
Upper Ð, lower ð means eth and was used interchangeably with þ because fucking English.
Both are still used in Iceland to this day.
No. 127169 ID: e63e6d


Yep! I'm very interested in linguistics, actually. So I name characters after letters.

Also worth mentioning that Ȝ is a thing
No. 127172 ID: edfbdc

The letters being the names I figured out, but the fact that those two letters are interchangeable is very interesting.
No. 127174 ID: 094652

Aaand it looks like you spelled Porn but fancier.
No. 127175 ID: e63e6d

They aren't actually interchangeable, technically. Thorn describes an unvoiced fricative (THing, THrough, THin, faiTH), whereas Eth is a voiced fricative (THat, wiTH, THere, broTHer). The difference is fairly slight, though, and not one most people even notice.
No. 127176 ID: edfbdc

Huh, well, I don't understand the words describing it, but I get the gist. Or the feel of it, I guess.
No. 127177 ID: bfb318

The quest is cool!!
Do you have a gallery or Twitter or anything that people can follow for more of your art?
No. 127178 ID: b7d7f0



Don't expect too much I never upload haha
No. 127184 ID: eeb7d9

Man, i am missing the updates!
But i liking my annon companions suggestions. So yeah, quest is going great!

So, if i counted right, Eth's heart is: 1 hard and one playful. I love it. And apparently, her kink is seducing princesses. Noice.
No. 127187 ID: 0c3c2c
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Time for more low-grade fanart! This time it's Thorne.
No. 127190 ID: 094652

Former is placing your tongue right behind your teeth to make a 'th' sound with maximized pressure through the tiny noise hole. Latter is vibrating your tongue during the 'th' so it makes tiny bee noises with that pressure instead.
No. 127191 ID: b7d7f0

Yes. Apply pressue to Eth's tiny holy, and vibrate your tongue at Thorne ;3
No. 127193 ID: eeb7d9

I was learning English! And you ruin it!
I already know how to eat pussy, i don't need that!

Funny thing, i am studying to be an English teacher, so this kinda helps.
No. 127195 ID: edfbdc

Thanks, that helps solidify it!

And that just makes what I said also sound dirty. I thought this was a Christian discussion thread.
No. 127197 ID: 481e44
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The Official EthQuest Soundtrack can be found at: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE4uqL42ny_20A1k93PcnZnKsq3UMO5QY

Chapter 2 is at: https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/916309.html
No. 127199 ID: 15a025

Just finished reading the first thread tonight. It's was a pretty exciting start! Looking forward to reading some more!
No. 127214 ID: 6fb3de
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No. 127215 ID: edfbdc

I can't believe that Eth is secretly a Satanist
No. 127223 ID: 6fb3de
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Snek boi
No. 127224 ID: 70be57

No. 127254 ID: b1b4f3

Man, Eth is getting fucking owned left and right.
No. 127263 ID: bb78f2

Eth is a huge loser
She's the best
No. 127266 ID: 6b2719
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Maybe the people playing her are losers
No. 127267 ID: eeb7d9

Maybe you shouldn't listen to ALL of us ALL the time. But at least is funny to see you get scolded.
No. 127310 ID: bddb0f

Cool quest and good drawings. Thumbers up.
No. 127311 ID: 1618ba

its been brought to my attention i made a spelling mistake in my last update. oops lol
No. 127315 ID: 6e7032

I was about to say, does Dana often call Eth a slut
No. 127317 ID: c4ee45

That was also a mistake, it was Thorne. English is not my native language, and I should probably write at 3 AM less often (and maybe I should start proofreading). Apologies!
No. 127318 ID: eeb7d9

Ohhh so it was that. It did came kinda off, but it was too hilarious to actually pay attention. Just imagining Dana saying that, was too good.

What is your mother language?
No. 127319 ID: eeb7d9

Ohhh so it was that. It did came kinda off, but it was too hilarious to actually pay attention. Just imagining Dana saying that, was too good.

What is your mother language?
No. 127321 ID: c4ee45

No. 127322 ID: 158da5

It's fine! The art made it plenty clear. It's very good so far, and that's a mistake tons of people might make, it's so minor.
No. 127326 ID: eeb7d9

Huh, i wasn't expecting that, but it kinda makes sense?
No. 127330 ID: 827ddb

How so?
No. 127332 ID: eeb7d9

I am not sure how to explain it exactly, but it just made sense to me when i started to see animals in the story and the map you made. And i just thought: Wolfs in the north and the the center, lions coming from sowehere else, probably south east; lizards from the south in a desert that use cimitars; and then you have the bird people from the east.

Wolves = europeans, Europe is full of those and are really important in the mythology and culture.

Lizards = south asians (Moors, Persians, Turks, etc) live in the desert and use scimitars. They also tended to invade Europe frome many sides.

Bird people = it is more of a speculation, but i would guess they could be the east assians (Russian, Mongols, ect) birds are important there, they were use as hunting animals and the feathers are very used to make arrows, they were very fond of their bowmanship.

Sooo there you have it. When you said you were German, it kinda make sense to me, taking in account your Quest. I don't know if you took inspiration from that, but that is what i interpreted.
No. 127334 ID: eeb7d9

I could actually keep going, the more i think about it, the more similarities i find.
No. 127335 ID: eeb7d9

AAAND i fucked up my name again. Great.
No. 127336 ID: 6fb3de
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Uh... not really...? The area I live in used to have both wolves and lions, but has neither now. Only lizards and birds.

I based it more on traditional fantasy stories. The lizards were heavily influenced by the Aiel from Wheel of Time, who are aesthetically arabic, but functionally more like picts than anything . They're also a standin for the standard goblin/kobold/troll race most high fantasy tends to have.

Also the map looks more like westeros or north america than anything lol

But if that's your reading it's totally valid, I'm all about death of the author
No. 127337 ID: eeb7d9

Well, i guess that i was a bit off then. The more you know, i guess! It doesn't make it less interesting. I was going for a more historical point of view. Probably because i've been playing too much Medieval II tho.
No. 127339 ID: eeb7d9

Sooo, nanquest 2 confirmed?
No. 127341 ID: 522b9d

wrong author, yo
No. 127342 ID: 574817

That's what YOU think
No. 127343 ID: eeb7d9

No. 127344 ID: 2202fb

No. 127348 ID: 12b116
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fuck the police
No. 127351 ID: eeb7d9

And then all of started to howl. No one can stop the howling.
No. 127352 ID: ad51b8

it's how the snake people hunt down escape wolves. They just find a spot that will carry their voice the furthest and then just howl and wait and see if they can't hear any wolves howling back and then just follow their ears.
No. 127379 ID: b1b4f3

Did updates stop because of the suggestions, or are you just busy with other stuff?
No. 127381 ID: eeb7d9

I think she is drawing other stuff? She posted two drawings in draw. Pretty cool.
No. 127395 ID: 798516

Very busy with school I'll try to update this weekend
No. 127396 ID: 798516
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No. 127397 ID: 798516
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No. 127398 ID: 798516
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Thought I'd share some of the original concept art
No. 127399 ID: bddb0f


Nice. You draw a lot of these?
No. 127400 ID: 2dcc29

Most I can't show yet
No. 127402 ID: 522b9d

No. 127408 ID: eeb7d9

Your concept art is great.
No. 127416 ID: 32f9b1

Little late with this, but if you'd like I can proofread stuff for you. I'm not the best writer, but I am pretty good at editorial work. I was the editor for my school paper and all that jazz.

If that sounds appealing you can shoot drafts at me through my Email, which my username is a link to.
No. 127523 ID: 3356f8
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Amazing fanart of Reno by Kannae: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/sayumi/
No. 127844 ID: b52c39

Anyone have feedback or questions or request about the quest?
No. 127845 ID: 080aaf

Please make the lizards cute.
No. 127846 ID: eeb7d9

Not a problem so far! I am having a hard time with the puzzles but that is just me, at least with the last one. They are good and fun, i am just really bad at them. The characters are fun and interesting and the story is solid.

I have a question: in the second thread you change the color scheme from white to... something else, which i think is really cool. Will we see that in the next chapters as well? That would be my only request, i guess.
No. 127847 ID: 15a025

It's been a fun quest so far. I really like the atmosphere and coloring/shading being used for the current chapter as well.
No. 127849 ID: a9af05

Maybe slow down a little bit when you're doing updates? Give people a chance to make suggestions before posting an update.
No. 127850 ID: 06fdc0

any chance of cute lizard boys?
No. 127852 ID: 91ee5f

I agree with these.

Mostly because I’m hoping that not all of the lizards are our enemies, so the friendly ones should look approachable.
No. 127853 ID: b52c39
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The purple/yellow is Eth relying on her non-vision senses, which is why the lantern returns it to black and white. But yes, the colour schemes will change in each chapter.

Valid. I'll try to, but I really wanna finish this quest ASAP haha
No. 127855 ID: eeb7d9

I liked that face~ I want to see more of that face.
No. 127859 ID: b52c39

Play the quest well and with that in mind and you may
No. 127862 ID: eeb7d9
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Consider it done!
No. 127960 ID: b1b4f3

Should I post about Kindling Ceremony here? Cuz I'm gonna.

The art style reminds me strongly of Bluewine. It's very nice.
No. 128004 ID: c7e694

Thanks! Very kind of you.
No. 128019 ID: 3e8537
File 155158161333.png - (2.22MB , 3200x3200 , EthColours.png )

Please vote on a colour scheme for Eth/Draw your own!

Voting will end when the next chapter begins.
No. 128020 ID: 12b116

I like D the most, B second
No. 128021 ID: b1b4f3

I like choco, for now.
No. 128022 ID: 6655de

No. 128023 ID: 080aaf

>>128019 A first, D second.
No. 128024 ID: c4c64c

B for me.
No. 128026 ID: 74516f
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No. 128027 ID: ce8842

No. 128033 ID: 57f319

I like C then B.

E is too powerful, but it is the best.
No. 128034 ID: e51896

No. 128035 ID: 3164d9

No. 128036 ID: e9d41b

D is my first pic ( I may have bias)
B is my second
No. 128037 ID: 3e8537

You are responsible for this existing, your vote counts triple
No. 128038 ID: eeb7d9

Uuhhhh i am turned between B and D. I am fine with either of those two.
No. 128042 ID: bfa316

No. 128045 ID: 5fc3a0

No. 128056 ID: 864e49

I like B most and second D. Can we pick eye color? Maybe heterochromia?
And what the hell is E?

Actually this please.
No. 128057 ID: 18d2ab

D, it seems most wolf like of them
No. 128058 ID: 18d2ab

D, it seems most wolf like of them
No. 128059 ID: 3e8537

Feel free to make an edit with any proposed heterochromia!
No. 128060 ID: 132a50

No. 128061 ID: bb78f2

I love and am voting for D, but I prefer Jet Black as the primary and pure white for the secondary, you can see this at 22 seconds in the video

I want Husky Eth so bad
No. 128062 ID: a64e88

D although I’ prefer a white wolf with grey highlights
No. 128063 ID: 3e8537
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Thorne has arctic colours, but I do like the idea of pure white and black.

You have unlocked SECRET OPTION F. Please make it clear if you're changing your vote to this one!
No. 128065 ID: 15a025

No. 128066 ID: bb78f2

I'm changing my vote to F

Ohhhh, I thought Thorne was BIG BUFF GERMAN SHEPARD NO my head canon she even had a german accent

Actually no malamute is good.

Haha, Kusky vs. Malamute rivalry
No. 128068 ID: 3e8537
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Thorne is basically Ghost from game of thrones lol

Here's an ollld ass image of her from when she was still my fursona, though I think of her as pretty much pure white now.
No. 128069 ID: 2202fb

No. 128070 ID: 556568

Let's do EEt
No. 128071 ID: bcc41d

Do the D.
No. 128072 ID: 864e49
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Also is that some niplis i see?
No. 128073 ID: adb07a

Guys, I think Eth can totally see which ones are ghosts, since they're, you know, right in front of her, acting weird, and changing their form all the time, right in front of her.
No. 128074 ID: 3e8537

Oh no! My secret!

And yes thats a birb tit
No. 128077 ID: 235ba5


honestly E but i dont want to waste my vote
No. 128080 ID: bb78f2

Did you switch to a deer fursona because tuft tails are cuter? Have you considered or ranked a Corgi-sona's in your fursona tier list in that case?

You've already chosen obviously, but tiers are important factors in one's life.
No. 128081 ID: 20b05f

Corgi? No thanks tier
No. 128082 ID: 20b05f
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Thanks all for sitting through that with me! I had loads of fun!

Voting on fur colour will continue until the Quest resumes, which will be soon. I'd love to hear feedback or any questions you may have!
No. 128083 ID: 4ad3f7

How do you draw so fast?
No. 128084 ID: 7769ba

My hands, a wacom tablet, and adobe photoshop
No. 128086 ID: 57f319

The moral of the story was to abandon our friends or we're doomed to fail, I think.
No. 128087 ID: 7769ba

The moral was clearly to take off your friends' clothes so they can cross bridges more safely!
No. 128088 ID: 4ad3f7

And I have to say. Catching Thorne was not a good idea. With her weight and armour there was nothing Eth could do, and now the royals are alone...
No. 128089 ID: bcc41d

The moral of the tale is Thorne's too fat.

But yeah, no this was pretty nice. Makin' choices makes things happen, good and bad. 's cool.
No. 128090 ID: 7769ba

She's gonna punch ur ass if she hears that
No. 128091 ID: 4ad3f7

As long as you actually take the right choices...
No. 128092 ID: 4ad3f7

(If she survives)
No. 128093 ID: 06fdc0

only if she can catch up
No. 128094 ID: e2f5cc

Votan for F
No. 128095 ID: 7816e7

holy shit that was fast! great work, I love how its coming along!
No. 128096 ID: eeb7d9


Also this is great so far. That was pretty creepy in the end. Fucking ghosts, man.

This is way too similar to a husky. I am going to stay with B.
No. 128097 ID: 57f319

She'd knock us off for trying! It makes more sense to betray her at a vital moment and forsake our own morality so we don't get dunked.

And I would know, this happens a lot.
No. 128098 ID: bcc41d

>things happen, good AND bad

Frankly, I'll give props to Deer for not being afraid to give the suggesters rope to hang their poor charges with by in the heat of the moment dramatically outline that, yes, your friendly rival saved you in a very similar situation and are you really gonna let her down now?

It was a very good 'here is a binary choice where both will make you feel something' moment where the noble option was neither logical nor safe. If both E & T survive it, Thorne will probably be beating Eth up for trying to save her and leaving the royals to fend for themselves. If Eth had let Thorne fall, Eth would currently be beating herself up for 'letting down' her friend/rival.

There was even a possible reasonable third option in telling Thorne to undress ("No, seriously. Not a joke.") and have someone lighter carry her equipment over first, just in case. It's not like we didn't have the option to maybe avoid the event, so it's a pretty good choice dynamic for a chapter end!

I mean, worst comes to worst, I'm sure Eth gets to join team ghost.

Speaking of, the ghost scampergangers were both real creepy and real confusing. We had no idea what they were up to other than getting close to the royals, tricking us, and we didn't know what hurt them, other than the fact the light seemed to keep them away, but then the light came at a cost and we really had clue which was worse. You'd think, being creatures in the royal crypt, Reno might've heard something about 'em before, but I guess not. And now one of them's 'free', maybe? Is that bad? Was IT bad, in the end? It just scampered off, so who knows! I suspect it'll remain a mystery and we'll see if it resurfaces. Quite possibly it can just be classified as 'weird shit we saw on our way out'.

Actual questions for Deer: Did we go through the tomb faster or slower than you thought we would? How many dark secrets did we miss? Will His Highness Thomas the 11th ever catch a break and meet a cute cryptkeeper rather than yet another posse of fleeing descendants?
No. 128099 ID: 270774

to be completely honest, this quest updates too quickly for me to keep up with it — but i enjoy what i catch, and i’m looking forward to sitting down and catching up on it for real sometime soon. also thorne is my wife
No. 128100 ID: 4ad3f7

I would have handled the bug fight differently. There was no reason to back up towards the throne room to let the bug even more room to kill you. On the other hand there was a second perpendiculary corridor on the way. By getting someone there and backing up you force the bug to pick one or the other while in a cramped space.

First of all, the guard captain was not a great warrior, had limited protection and was not wielding a weapon effective on the attack. He had a pike and a buckler. The pike is a primarily defensive weapon, that is often the only solid infantry choice against infantry because braces pikes scare horses from charging (as horses do not tend to commit suicide and understand what a sharpened pike is). Pikemen can't defeat cavalry on their own but that's not the point. The captain should have remained in front of the buh pike braced and only focused on keeping it at bay defensively. He would be flanked by Eth, whose arming sword was too short to be useful in such a head-on fight; however, Eth has a shield, and while the captain's buckler, an equipment piece rather meant for duels than formation fights like that, could maybe parry one blow from the left side, his pike side would stay exposed. Eth could cover him with her shield while hacking at the bug's arms with her swords and the both of them might have survived.

In the meantime, Thorne is a very aggressive warrior. If I remember correctly, she wields a two-hander, which is a lot of damage, and wears heavy plate, which is a requirement with these shieldless setups unless you like to catch arrows and spears with your face. Only the bug from a frontal direction would be a serious threat to her, and so that is why Thorne would have gone off in the second passage. By attracting the bug further towards the great hall, Eth and the captain would have made it so that Thorne could reach the rider from the flank while his mount was enable to turn effectively towards her. If it split its attention and decided to go for Thorne first, Eth can start hacking at its legs while covered by the captain, but I wouldn't have recommended unhorsing the rider before his mount was crippled.

But eh. I wasn't there when it happened, that's too bad.
No. 128101 ID: 4ad3f7

And I meant that a pike is the only solid choice against cavalry, not infantry, because I'm dyslexic.
No. 128102 ID: 57f319

If I remember correctly, the guard captain was a key part of the fight. Could he have survived? Maybe. Would he have been as effective alive as he was dead? Debatable.
No. 128103 ID: 4ad3f7

Sacrificing allies each fight is usually strategically unsound. Some soldiers exist only to be thrown at problems and die while better warriors take care of them from the sider but it's better to not spend resources whenever you don't need to.

Also I am annoyed to see a guy with antlers die.
No. 128104 ID: bb78f2

I don't feel that this was a bad decision
Bad decision for a spireblade? Yes, oh yes
Bad decision for a sister-in-arms, nah, even if she says it was

We'll stick to it, and be grateful we did it in the end so long Reno and Dana doesn't succumb to a bad end.

Also, lets face it, there was no other choice for the types of suggester tgchan attracts, especially with that animated image flicker further pushing us to do it. If Deer was running a quest for a board exclusive to the secret service, they probably would have unanimously let Thorne fall.

Is there a chan for veterens?
No. 128105 ID: bb78f2

Though, on further thought, I grow more paranoid that Deer's first sets of lewds in her draw thread is prophetical
No. 128108 ID: 4ad3f7

Thorne is a rival and a comrade... Reno on the other hand is your crush and your charge. You mostly need Thorne to keep Reno alive.

It would have been more logical to keep yourself and the royals safe first, and then try to rescue Thorne. When you're dead you can't save anybody, so that kind of reasoning can be what differenciates someone who will keep Reno alive from someone who doesn't... What is the loyalty here? Isn't it a better committment to Thorne than to ensure your common duty is fulfilled? She saved you because she had to, and you'd do that for the same reasons if you could.

Anyway, in that sort of situation there's no real 'bad' decisions but we have to see who will suffer.

I had to do that choice once and I learned my lesson, we'll what Eth will decide to learn.
No. 128111 ID: bb78f2

Look I found Thorne's Youtube Channel
No. 128116 ID: 57f319

I mean, obviously, protecting the princesses would have been the right choice, if that had been the choice. We chose to save a friend, and suffered the consequence of not protecting the princesses. That's different. A mistake in hindsight, but sometimes you make mistakes, and the reason for the mistake wasn't bad.

It could go awfully, but planning logically isn't going to work every time either. I guess you have experience with situations like these, and maybe you're right, so all I can say is what I'd do, even if it resulted in me failing.

Also, Thorne might be upset, reasonably, but I think if we just watched her fall Reno would be even more upset. If we just let a friend fall for the sake of the mission, what would she think of Eth?
No. 128117 ID: eeb7d9

Wow, i wasn't expecting all this stuff in here when i left. Good arguments!
No. 128119 ID: 4ad3f7

I think Reno is in fact going to be very upset you've left her alone. With Dana fending for herself as well.

You're in charge. You're the *only one* in charge, and she is a squishy princess person that already just broke down in tears at the situation of: her family being murdered and her castle being invaded, with people trying to kill her. The only thing she still has to keep her head on her shoulders both figuratively and literally is a stalwart knight that has been trained and taught just what to do in that very situation. Except she doesn't anymore, and as far as royals go, well, that's a royal fuckup on your part. Now she's stuck all alone and without a weapon, carrying her little sister, in a dark tomb full of ghosts and undead monstrosities that can take your appearance and say "don't worry princess I'm here now".

So yes, grabbing onto a massive weight on its way down was a terrible, terrible idea.

My only advice with this is to get it solved absolutely asap. First chance I get is to shout to Reno to take a dip as well. Unless, of course, there's a current already sweeping you, and you drown because of your armour. Speaking of, that's probably what's happening to Thorne.
No. 128120 ID: 57f319

Yeah, but bad feelings aren't equal. There has to be a difference in the negative feelings directed towards coldly letting a friend maybe die (and given what you said about Thorne's armor, is actually pretty likely) and heroically trying to save Thorne, but failing and leaving them alone. Reno is, as you made clear, an emotional person, even if she hides that behind a crown most of the time. She'll understand an emotional mistake better than a cold decision. I'd like to believe that anyway.

We can't know that until we meet up with her again, obviously, but we do know she also raced to the edge before we fell. I think it's clear enough that she understands what Eth was feeling. If she didn't want Eth to try, she could have said or done something. Maybe we're supposed to make the hard choices she can't, but we aren't in charge. She is. She's literally the crown princess, we were just the pointman. We chose to take a stupid risk, so it was up to her to stop us if that's what she wanted.

Also Thorne wasn't falling when we grabbed her, she was on the lip of the broken bridge and her hand slipped. It was armored so that should have been expected. But with the frequency of the updates mimicking the speed of the situation, it's hard to see the details that make it clear that a cold decision is not as cold as it appears. That there was nothing you could do, and that it would be a pointless sacrifice. But a lot of that is hindsight, and not a lot of it can be explained and understood when acted upon.

Also part of this is what Reno and Dana will learn from this. If we get back to them alive, before anything happens to them, it sends a pretty nice message. Big if, I know.
No. 128121 ID: 7769ba

Oh wow, super nice to see you guys are so engaged! This is my first time really sharing work of mine online, extremely pleased you all seem to like it!

Haha, thank you. You flatter me.
>Actual questions for Deer: Did we go through the tomb faster or slower than you thought we would? How many dark secrets did we miss? Will His Highness Thomas the 11th ever catch a break and meet a cute cryptkeeper rather than yet another posse of fleeing descendants?

I thought it'd be a lot slower, actually. You all figured this stuff out pretty quickly. You missed a fight with a large stone scorpion gargoyle, but I'm kinda glad, since fights are dumb to draw. You could've inspected the royal coffins for some lore, and could've tried stabbing the reno pit for gross shit. That's it, really!

My lips are sealed on the last point. All I can say is: look forward to the sequel to EthQuest, ThomasXiQuest!
No. 128122 ID: 57f319

Gonna skip the first X ThomasQuests, eh?
No. 128123 ID: bb78f2

You know Tom was a really great guy you know
What a swell guy, that Tom
What a bro
Always helping when you need it
No. 128124 ID: 7769ba

The first tom is already in a quest!
No. 128125 ID: 57f319

No. 128126 ID: aacaac

Heroes do what must be done, not necessarily what makes them feel better. Yes, you're not in charge if you don't go forward and take charge or are told to take charge. And Reno said: 'take charge of saving us'.

Let me put it another way: if you don't start using your brain more and your heart less, she will die. That will be permanent. If you mess up, Reno and Dana die. If you die, Reno and Dana also die. The next time you freeze in front of an apparition you can't let Thorne handle it for you (especially if Thorne is also dead).

Just because you let a friend die, doesn't mean that you are doing coldly. Or that it wasn't your friend. Or that you aren't conflicted and painful. It just means that life fucking sucks and you should focus on doing your best with what you got. And if Reno asks you 'how could you let her die', what you tell the castle-coddled cat princess is that both Thorne and you have been trained your whole life since you were three to keep HER alive, not each other, that all the other elite warriors in the barracks, who dedicated their entire life for this, and died without glory stabbed in their beds like puppies have paid the price of duty, and that is what being a Spireblade means.

Your best friend was already killed today: I don't know him but I think that from the ghost realm he'd not give two shits about bad feelings and shout at you to make sure literally everyone in your order didn't die just for you to play hero and mess up. So I support a more hardened Eth, immediately whenever.
No. 128127 ID: aacaac

Yes it's very good and we get to discuss things in depth with real (or feeling-real) decisions. It makes me feel like the problems are real and so that if I am clever enough they can be solved well.

Frankly I usually enjoy to pick the heroic options for such games because I hate to leave people behind but a story like that which feels actually menacing and stakey is refreshing. And I await in suspense to see if there will be a punishment for a mistake or a miraculous stroke of luck, and at that point I'm feeling immersed enough to believe in either.

I'm with everyone here I think to say I want Thorne saved... But I felt forced not to and I kind of enjoy it.
No. 128129 ID: 57f319

Yikes. You don't want a hero, you want a soldier. That's your prerogative, but it's my prerogative to want a more empathetic person (who happens to fight for her friends). I don't want Eth to be a hero either. But I'm going to keep advocating for heart over head. Bad shit is going to happen regardless, and I'd rather deal with it by trying to do the moral thing. Maybe if the situation was different and we weren't on the run, I'd think about being more professional, but we're all each other has. Feelings matter, especially when you don't have anyone else to go to.

There's no happy ending if Eth is too jaded or too hard to appreciate it. And if Reno is alive but a tyrant. And if Thorne isn't there to tell Dana stories. And if Dana is scared and aloof because no one got close to her. And if etc.
No. 128130 ID: 6fb3de
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You allow yourself a moment to freak out at the gravity of this situation.
No. 128131 ID: 57f319

And yeah, sometimes people die and you have to deal with it. But Thorne was probably going to die and we'll have saved her, and then we'll get back to Reno and Dana and keep them alive too. I'm sure of it.
No. 128132 ID: 57f319

"Sure, Eth and Thorne are in horrible danger and Reno and Dana are alone... But there's a TOM in a QUEST." - Some guy
No. 128135 ID: aacaac

Your feelings matter a lot less than the lives of those who depend on you. You can afford to be cavalier with your own life but not someone else's. In some cases that mean letting good people fend for themselves and ignoring their cries for help. This is a war you're in right now, a very dangerous situation. And if soldiers can't be heroes then that's a very inexperienced understanding of soldiers...

>Maybe if the situation was different and we weren't on the run, I'd think about being more professional, but we're all each other has.
You see what someone is made of when shit hits the fan, not when he's safe and well... Being on the receiving end of a manhunt is the last time to be a Hollywood squishy, and the only real time to use all that professional discipline you have. You'll have time to treat your PTSD once Dana is not at a risk to get replaced by a doppleganger. When you can't afford to save someone, don't try. You won't like the interests.

>Feelings matter, especially when you don't have anyone else to go to.
Like, right now, when Reno and Dana just saw both their knights fall to their apparent deaths instead of just the best one.

As far as you know this turned from 'one in danger' to 'two in danger and two alone with danger' and that's a worse prospect for both. But from the bridge you could have removed your armour before dipping if you really wanted to go after her. While you couldn't know there was water (or actually if there is), it was a bit more evident to see grabbing her would likely make you fall.

I don't want Eth to be a soldier: I think she already is one, and she just needs to become a good one.
No. 128136 ID: 57f319

No. To all of that. Except the Hollywood squishy part. You can care about others and still kick ass. So still a no, I just wanted to expound on that.
No. 128137 ID: 6fb3de
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>This discussion
No. 128139 ID: 57f319

Honestly I think it's more like a combination of the loop de loop one and a metaphorical multitrack drifting.
No. 128141 ID: aacaac

Remember Khazad-Dum.

I'm in fact more or less aware that this probably won't turn out horrible but boy I love these arguments.
No. 128146 ID: 6fb3de
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Chapter 3 is up at https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/924317.html
No. 128148 ID: 57f319

So you're saying both Thorne and Eth are getting crazy magic powers and a pretty outfit.


Deer evolved into other word for deer. Learned chapter 3!
No. 128149 ID: aacaac

Nah I mean like Frodo wanted to leap for Gandalf but Aragorn caught him. Sure it's not really the same situation but you know, Aragorn's still the hero.

Regarding Eth's choice I'm okay with it actually, but I'd have voted for something else.

You draw way too fast, dude. Fuck.
No. 128151 ID: aacaac

By the way, Isa is nordic rune for ice. Standstill, psychological block, turning inward.
No. 128154 ID: 6fb3de

I draw fast and ugly 😎
No. 128155 ID: 57f319

I mean, that's where the excellent style really makes it shine. Obviously the talent too, but whatever :)
No. 128156 ID: aacaac

You know it takes me like 4 hours to do a single drawing. You do something in 15 minutes...
No. 128157 ID: db4748

Most of the ch2 drawings took like five minutes at most. Then again some of those are REALLY ugly

At least I got to animate a bit!
No. 128158 ID: 57f319

The fucking limbs on Dana Part 2 still get me
No. 128159 ID: aacaac

>5 minutes

You don't realize it, I guess.
No. 128160 ID: 6fb3de

I love the leggies
No. 128161 ID: 57f319

No. 128162 ID: 6fb3de
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No. 128163 ID: aacaac

>Deer takes my name suggestion.
No. 128164 ID: b1b4f3

I hope we find out what the deal is with those creepy things. None of them have actually attacked yet, they've just been stalking the party.
No. 128165 ID: 6fb3de

lmao why wouldnt i? its a good name
No. 128166 ID: aacaac

Prowling lions don't attack either until you show weakness. The whole place reeks of death...Strike on sight.
No. 128167 ID: 57f319

This is blatant disrespect.
No. 128168 ID: aacaac

It's my baby too now.
No. 128169 ID: 6fb3de
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No. 128170 ID: aacaac

Little girl, I didn't choose to remarry a lady that already had a BRAT attached but I got to name you before I went to war and so if anything happens to you I will murder everything that lives.
No. 128172 ID: adb07a
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I named it so it's my daughter now that's how it works
No. 128173 ID: 6fb3de

Awww adorable
No. 128174 ID: 6fb3de
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No. 128175 ID: adb07a


No. 128176 ID: 91ee5f

*insert Metal Gear Solid game over music here*

Also, damnit, you beat me to it!
No. 128177 ID: adb07a

Do you think love can... Bloom? Even on a battlefield?

...Even in the royal tomb?
"You need to be able to protect the people you love"

...Even in a peasant house in front of your daughter?
No. 128178 ID: 6fb3de
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No. 128180 ID: adb07a

Cue in the mother who left her home a week after they took her child, and tried to get hired as a nameless, faceless servant for the King's palace to see her grow.
No. 128182 ID: adb07a

>dating Yogh to get to be taken alongside Isa
No. 128183 ID: 094652

Yogh is indoctrinated. He's not allowed to discuss his sociopath issues with a psychiatrist - mainly because they'd be executed for learning state secrets, and psychiatrists in medieval settings are old sages who don't realize the mind can be studied.

I wonder how much lead is in his diet.
No. 128184 ID: adb07a

I'm pretty new on this website but I feel that *some* suggesters have a lighter grasp on the reality of their suggestions than the others.
No. 128186 ID: bcc41d

Well, that made me laugh at a grim as heck suggestion. Good show.
No. 128188 ID: adb07a

If you guys thought I was playin when I say I'm gonna kill everyone alive I was not

Don't touch my Isa or ELSE
No. 128190 ID: adb07a

Guys we need to talk a little

Are you insane or just trying to get Scendht needlessly murdered

- What don't you get about 'I am allowed to run you through with this sword to get your kid, the king is fine with it, I'm fine with it, I'm not doing it yet because I'm not a complete savage as far as sociopaths go'
- Do you think anybody will give a shit if you just get shanked in your own home for assaulting an agent of the king
-***YOU DIE***
- You are told she will be cured, fed and cared for well for her service. The only bad part about all this is that she will not be raised knowing you. This is a blessing within a curse. Getting yourself killed on the other hand is 200% stupid within and without.
- Seriously why do you want to splash your daughter with your own blood
- Did one of you seriously suggested slicing a three years' old throat
No. 128191 ID: adb07a

>Great idea, remind him that killing the mother of a child is a perfect way to create a future royalty assassin, while taking away a widows only child is a perfect way to create a vengeful rebel

Or you know it could just make everything so much fucking easier for him

"Hey where's my mom"
"Oh she's dead you're an orphan lol"

No. 128192 ID: 0ff48c

Bruv. Calm down

theyre dumb suggestions, they happen, get over it

ill go with the suggestions that best suit the character, trust me
No. 128193 ID: adb07a

Oh I'm having fun don't worry. This is halfway hilarious (and halfway concerning).
No. 128197 ID: b1b4f3

Is this a quote?
No. 128198 ID: eeb7d9

I didn't had the option of giving a dumb/smart suggestion. God damn it. I was too slow again and lose a big chunk of the update.
No. 128199 ID: 57f319

We're not finished yet
No. 128200 ID: bb78f2

Yogh was quite fuckable until three or four updates in when he showed himself douchey
He fucked that up, big time
Had to ask for that kiss, then went for a grope
Piece of shit
bad dog -1/10
Eth has more class than him under heat

He's no Big Boss, nor even an Ocelot or Kaz
He's a CHUMP
No. 128201 ID: e9d41b

Yogh is super hot in this time period
maybe he's an ass, but ultimately he's just enjoying his job.
ya gotta do the kings bidding why not have a good time?

also we know that in the future Eth regards him with respect, and gave his lif to protect Reno.

Yogh is a cool dude and a good soldier . . . and also a smarmy perv
No. 128202 ID: eeb7d9

Oh come on, like Snake didn't ogle Meryl's ass and literally told her "you have a great but".
He is still redeemable to me. Yeah, he was a douche at that time, but he might not be like that all the time. We should at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
No. 128204 ID: 57f319

And you don't think maybe he should consider other ways to enjoy himself besides sexual harassment?
No. 128205 ID: 57f319

Snake didn't molest her, though! Snake's wandering eyes aside, he isn't a creep like Yogh is. (Not that I think it was okay for Snake to do those things, just that he had a limit.)
No. 128206 ID: b1b4f3

Eh, maybe Yogh changed since then. It's been long enough.
No. 128207 ID: 57f319

Maybe. Or Eth just had to get used to it. I hoped he changed, though.
No. 128212 ID: adb07a

You know, people are very often more complicated than 'just being assholes' and 'just being evil'. I know a lot of very shallow individuals that have no morals and are very petty, but that's because they're base, and well, shallow kinds who never get anywhere far in life and just play socialites all day... You know, in a workplace, or in college. Compare with a guy like Yogh, who is about the best warrior in the whole kingdom. Chances are that he is not a simple person with a simple personality.

Not to give you examples of what could be but he's a war veteran who kills a lot of people for a living. Just that alone has to make you think. About 5% of soldiers shoot to kill. Most people have trouble with killing other people... Psychologically it's a huge burden, and people like Yogh either are born without that blockade or work themselves up to ignore and forget it, sometimes by blocking out their human emotions, sometimes due to complex psychological trauma. So frankly... As much as Yogh ACTS like an uncouth asshole, he hasn't done anything personally wrong so far besides following heartless orders. He insists on paying good money for you, which actually can mean a lot about his moral standards being more than shades of black.

You don't know yet until you get to know more, that's what I'd say.
No. 128213 ID: adb07a

Born to simple origins. Dad is kind of an asshole, drinks, a bit too violent. Mom is kinda distant. Grows up a bit emotionally troubled and violent himself, tend to solve problems by beating problem people. Sort of feels smarter than most around him and begin to have existential crisis. Hates that life is going nowhere and enlists the army by lying on his age because it just felt better than a life of herding pigs or what have you. Gets to live in city and be part of the guard. His inherent talent is recognized. Time of peace. Has fun with his youth.

Now captain of the guard. Meets a girl, instant crush. Beat up her other suitor (can't let you do that) and scare him off because he's a shallow wimp. To his great surprise she enjoys his personality and likes him this way. Kills someone for the first time during a patrol, has less nightmares over it than he was expecting. Never treats his fair lady with anything else but the utmost care. Feels like settling down, start thinking about quitting his job. Yogh-wife pregnant with a mini-Yogh, ecstatic and starts making plan to leave for good. Mini-Yogh and wife die in childbirth. Doesn't leave the army and joins a troop for the front, try to forget about it. Mom dies.

Makes new friends in the army, most of them end up dying. Witnesses the true crucible of hate and depravation that is war. Witnesses war crimes, from his friends, from his enemies. Sometimes partakes bad things, end up having trouble justifying them to himself, feels conflicted. Very young and rising through the ranks fast for trying to get noticed. Get letter that dad died, it's just me now. Career-oriented workaholic officer. Is given a noble title for heroism and called back to the capital after suffering a debilitating wound to his right eye. King wants him to train the new spireblades. Accepts.

>be Sir Yogh of Pridemour now, Spireblade to the Throne

One day go all the way up North to retrieve some dead soldier's brat. QT3.14 mom doesn't want to give her, "she's all I have yadi yada", try to be nice and promise her big money, explain I could *also* murder her if I had to. Whatever lady. Brief thoughts about taking her ass, settle for a kissy. Hurry up I'm cold and my feet hurt. Get the kid, feel like there's something queer about her but whatever.

Enjoy becoming a tyrant to all the kid (we need them tough and also it's funny). Briefly think back about Mini-Yogh, feel like this is fulfilling what I've missed in some way. Whatever, I'll take it. All I care about is turning them into Yoghs: perfect killing machines to the service of His Majesty.

Hear some rumour about one of the spireblade kids (now almost all grown up) been seen ''''discussing grapes'''' with a royal, apparently local expression to mean they're making a lasagna sandwich. Priest says girls can't love each other so that's not possible, have seen way too much in my lifetime to know just how wrong he is. Plan to interrogate her tommorrow, maybe I'll have to lop her head off or something. Go to bed. Get woken up by rude people.

>mfw lizard assassins have killed the king
>ow oh my god I just got stabbed to death
>ah yesss the spireblade kids came to-
>it's the lasagna kid and she's the only one left to watch over the queen

>I don't want to be around to see how this is going down so I mumble some bullshit about how I'm gonna make a heroic last stand and tell them how to get out of the castle
No. 128214 ID: 57f319

There's no excuse for his behavior. Explanations, of course, reasons. None of them are good enough, though some, like maybe this is the way society shaped him, make it inevitable. Maybe there's more to him, plenty of reasons, but he's still also a creep, no matter what else he is. And hopefully that's all he is, a creep trying to get a rise out of the people, though it's not unlikely that he's done worse.

If we're to judge based on people's actions, his paint an ugly picture.
No. 128216 ID: db4748

Solid lore my dude
No. 128218 ID: adb07a

If Yogh cared about explanations he wouldn't be doing his job. Some people have a morality based on "good" and "evil", some have it based on "us" or "them", some have it on "me", and "everyone else". None of them is necessarily less hypocritical than the other.

Alternate lore

>Yogh, Spireblade
>was recruited as a kid like everyone else
>one day the seer pointed out to my parents and said "their child is one"
>one wut
>see at the time, and until I became captain, I didn't know the Spireblades were a knightly order of chosen-by-god...
>...big gays
>like, the BIGGEST GAYS of the kingdom, which is apparently where we get our special Spireblade powers from
>nobody knows I'm a bottom mutt in service of the King
>have to pretend to be a hard-ass creep in front of the other officials so they think I'm just some hetero douchebag
>mfw I find out one of my wards ended up smacking with the queen
>I'm so proud of that girl
No. 128222 ID: 57f319

His job isn't to coerce intimacy from peasants. His job is undesirable to parents, sure, and he has the right to do it through force if necessary. But the kind of force he uses is a reflection on his character, and he'd already succeeded in his job by the time he molested her. He was just upset she wanted five minutes to say goodbye.

And morality being subjective has its limits. Namely, when around other people. At least, when it comes to judgement.
No. 128227 ID: 7f132b
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No. 128228 ID: 7f132b
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No. 128229 ID: eeb7d9

If this doesn't become canon, i will be very upset.
I read this with Brendaniel's voice.
No. 128230 ID: 0e2ebe

What a monster.
No. 128233 ID: adb07a
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Well, if you read his, or her, or whatever, I dunno, reputation in full... You really don't want to compare. As presented in History the Emperor of Rome had lost about all grasp on reality and was living life as an underage prostitute. This is not the example you want. To cite other reported misdeeds...

- Basically raped a vestal, which are celibate for holy reasons
- Screwed over the religious pantheon
- Dishonored the Empire to the lowest possible depths without giving a single damn about his responsibilities as Emperor. Again, was being an underage prostitute in the royal palace. Imagine the president of the USAs doing that in the White House. Yeah. People are gonna be pissed and they should be.
- Enormous and blatant nepotism in administration

Elagabalus is rated as having one of the worst, if not THE worst historical ruler reputation in the whole of human History. Reading all the contemporary reports, he was a degenerate in full, not 'degenerate' as a cute online furry meme, but actual 'needs a therapist'. If you want a historically gay person in power to refer to? Not Elagabalus. Never take Elagabalus. Never. Ever. Don't even think about it, and you basically know how it ended for him, he got stabbed by his own soldiers.

Now I know what some people are gonna say and it's gonna be "but what if this was just rumours and character assassination". Well, 'character assassination' is claimed to happen to everyone with any sort of even slight side of controversy. This is often the first line of defense of revisionists of all allegiances, saying 'actually X wasn't that bad, he didn't even order that...' and going there is just a waste of time. Historians usually do a great job and Historiography is a real, serious and very scrutinized field but the first thing you're taught in class is that a "Historical Fact" can be many things and validating sources is very hard, especially old ones when History was more a hobby than a vocation and people felt entitled to add their strawberries to the salad. Like you're calling him 'her' but you don't know if that was an invention too, maybe he wasn't even a sexual deviant, but the point is that, the historical character called Elagabalus is all these things and will keep being these things barring a completely new source with perfect credibility that will disprove it (this will never happen). Elagabalus is a terrible person in Historical records and so comparing someone to him is comparing them to the one insane ruler in the Roman Empire that was getting paid, at the age of sixteen, to have sex with strangers in brothels while trying to get the people to worship him over the rest of the religious pantheon. Also he raped a sacred vestal. And yes, he probably was a transsexual, but NOT in a way that would get anyone to see it in a good way. WHILE having the responsibility of an entire empire and the millions of people living under his authority. I don't know if any of this is actually true: but it's up in the air and that is not good. Even if it wasn't, he obviously failed to maintain a balance and keep a lid on his deviancies. The best I could assume (and honestly what I think was the *most truthful*) is that he was just a troubled kid in an ancient society, not cut out for leadershp, with primitive ignorance of psychology and that was given ultimate power over the strongest nation in the entire world at the time.

This is... The wrong choice of idol, frankly. For weirdoes in administration that dude was a disaster and associating with him gives a very bad image. On the other hand, you got people like Frederick the Great.


Frederick III Prussia was nicknamed "The Great" for a lot of reasons, and none of them were self-aggrandizing propaganda you saw in more ancient times. Freddie was a GREAT ruler. And he had a bad case of being a big gay.

"Unusual for his time and aristocratic background, he criticized hunting as cruel, rough and uneducated"

A guy after my own heart. So he lived in the 18th century which, while better than the dark ages or ancient Rome, was still a time to get impaled for suspected sodomy. But he was an extremely competent ruler that was supported and beloved by his people, his administration and his soldiers, and he was a refined workaholic. So they didn't care event though it was known by about everyone which way he was swinging. Freddie also could keep a lid on it, so that it wasn't ostentatious and so most folks would either not have to know about it or could choose not to believe it.

He was even as close as possible to an atheist. Fancy that. The only thing you could reproach is antisemitist tendencies, after all nobody's perfect, and the conquest and exploitation of Poland, which is... Normal, for a ruler at the time.

In fact anyone had their way with Poland back then. My grandpapa was polish, so I can say it.
No. 128234 ID: eeb7d9

Wait, hold on, isn't this sopused to go in the Draw thread?
No. 128235 ID: adb07a

She said no so... No.
No. 128236 ID: eeb7d9

Who, Deer? If so, then let's carry on then.
Never heard of this Elagabalus guy. Sounds like a real piece of work.
How do you know so much of this stuff anyway? I am learning losts of things. In TG. How?
No. 128237 ID: adb07a

I would have been an historian if I didn't drop out. I've studied a lot of other things too. My degree was 'English Language' which covers a lot of things from how babies first learn to speak to how racism forms to the economical situation of the English Kingdom in 1600. And of course my favourite, how 9/11 was a CIA plot. Miss you Mr William Schnabel, hope your retirement's as fun as your lectures. He made a book about how Lovecraft is racist. Frankly, I haven't read it, because I don't like Lovecraft I like Tolkien.

Personally, I think that if you want to know anything as far a 'social' sciences are concerned (which are REAL sciences with many useful applications just like STEM fields), you need to know a lot of diffuse things, because any social issue is the cause, consequence and context of at least twenty other things. So knowing a bit about psychiatry, philosophy, or even joining the army can help you understand a historical personality or knowing the basics of economy can explain, say, the rise of certain ideologies. General knowledge like that is also a capital skill for storywriters and artists, because that's one thing to say "she's a gay ruler", it's different to explain how it matters. Well, personally I'm enjoying the characters without the need for drawn out explications over their world, so I don't mind.
No. 128238 ID: 7f132b

Don't take sources on her as objective fact. Most of the most trustworthy ones were written by Dio from a position of EXTREME hostility towards her, and definitely not intended to look good.

That said, I never said I idolize this person. They're simply a queer ruler who came to mind, because I recently wrote about them in a dissertation on gender dysphoria. None of their other deeds or politics are relevant here. I may as well have chosen Queen Anne, or Frederick the Great, or Al-Hakam II, or Ludwig Viktor.

The people Reno is actually based on can be seen in >>127111, I'm sorry to say.
No. 128239 ID: 31c299

Transsexual isn't a thing anymore. I don't have anything else to say.
No. 128240 ID: 7f132b

Also this. Taking into account your DeviantArt username, AldKai, I don't think I want to discuss these matters further with you. Apologies.
No. 128241 ID: b1b4f3

Isn't a thing anymore? I thought it meant the same thing as transgender. Is that what you mean, it's an obsolete term?
No. 128242 ID: 7f132b

It's considered anything from mildly offensive to simply scientifically inaccurate. The correct term is transgender, and has been for about twenty years now.
No. 128243 ID: 57f319

Yeah this >>128242 .
No. 128266 ID: 8c46c9
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I'm proud of you guys. This flashback has gone on for several days now, and not ONCE has the word "milf" been used.
No. 128267 ID: eeb7d9

You are going to jinx it, you fool!
No. 128268 ID: 57f319

Oh... You should have waited...

Besides she should be with someone nice and exists in the frozen North near her. And the acronym for that sucks.
No. 128270 ID: 91ee5f

You jinxed it, you fool!

Someone has just used the word “milf” in the quest!
No. 128277 ID: eeb7d9

It's ok! As long as the anons don't remember "that thing", it will be fine...
No. 128282 ID: 4294c6

I'm not a necrophiliac.
No. 128288 ID: eeb7d9

No- what? NO! I wasn't referring about THAT! But the point is not to say it, so i won't.
No. 128334 ID: bcc41d

Thorne and Eth kissing: Achieved.

High fives all 'round, people.
No. 128337 ID: c72efa

Well thorne kinda wasnt conscious
No. 128342 ID: 214cda

yeah i dont think it counts if one or more parties is unconscious and/or dying when it happens.
No. 128343 ID: 214cda

unless its the "mortally wounded on the battle field and now as i lay her dying kiss me because i've always loved you" kind of thing. That totally counts.
No. 128345 ID: bcc41d

Bah, you philistines! It was a practical life-saving suggestion! Now Eth can safely cross off that particular box on her bucket list without ever getting mauled by Thorne in the process! Unless there's another checkbox further down called "Tease Thorne about that time I kissed her"...

Really though, Eth trying to give Thorne air to keep her from dying was, I feel, illustrated in a cool and badass way. Me getting to deploy 'the kiss of breath' in a sentence is just a sweet bonus (to my incorrigible punny bone) and I'm happy the Deervine didn't feel obliged to insert inappropriate lewds (given the situation) into Eth's head because of it.
No. 128356 ID: f04438

So far, EthQuest has functioned on a weird scheduled, where I hop online whenever I can, and draw a few updates.

I've gotten a... mixed response to this. Some people love it, some people hate it.

Now I don't want to be working on this quest for several years, so I don't intend to slow down. But should I work out a schedule for when a session starts, so more people who are interested have the opportunity to join in? Say, every week on saturday at 2 PM CET, and extra dates whenever I announce them. Or is the current method fine for you folks?
No. 128357 ID: b1b4f3

Don't worry about it.
No. 128358 ID: 132a50

eh, i'm fine with whatever, as long as you give us like 5-10 minutes between updates to write a suggestion before starting work on the next one.
No. 128359 ID: eeb7d9

Yeah, i agree with this, is all right with me as long as i have time to write suggestions.
No. 128360 ID: bcc41d

Count me among those that like the rapid update style despite sometimes missing the chance to make input. Scheduling a good usual time will always be relative to you, and some people may start missing out on a chance to participate during sessions due to it being in the middle of their sleep/work/whatnot. I'd rather you varied it some, like you have been doing, rather than limiting to certain times of the day/week.

I'm not gonna diss on the method completely, mind. You can always announce when you plan to do a spree and just see what comes of it.
No. 128378 ID: 270774

as one of the people who struggles to keep up: don’t worry about it. the people who have the flexibility to consistently participate are having fun, and the people who don’t can still backread and leave suggestions in the lull between update sessions, and i think that evens out to being fine for everyone. plus, the most important thing is that it’s the update method that works for you. i think that trying to make things more rigid and schedule stuff is just going to put unnecessary strain on you.

i do agree with >>128360 that there’s no harm in throwing a quick “hey, i might be updating tonight” in the disthread sometimes especially if you think you’ll get a lot of updates done, so that people can try to be around, but i guess that might get cumbersome/cluttered depending on how often it happens. at the end of the day i think you should just stick to whatever’s easiest for you.
No. 128529 ID: 2a1bc8

Just realized I never actually posted that comment I thought I had three weeks ago. Now I feel rather the dullard.

Anyway, just wanted to tell you how cool I think this quest is. So far, the story has really been quite good. But I must say, the art is my favorite part. You basically use my favorite style; grayscale with deep color accents. So maybe I'm just biased, but I certainly love the art.

Eth is also pretty sexy, which, I mean, is kinda important. And also Reno.
And also Thorne.
No. 128531 ID: 32fd0c

Come on let's face it, Thorne's just fat (well she's probably all muscle but come on, one has to have a very specific taste to call that sexy, she's cool and big and dope, but not sexy, not that there's anything wrong with that)

p.s. - no offense to anyone who claims otherwise
No. 128536 ID: c8452a

...You knew people would disagree and yet you tried to make it an objective statement anyway, huh.
No. 128537 ID: b1b4f3

This is a bad post, fat or not.
No. 128545 ID: 7e6ec5
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>Thorne is just fat.
No. 128555 ID: 6fb3de

Thorne used to be my fursona so via like four layers you just called me fat wow ok
No. 128574 ID: a9af05

>Thorne's just fat
>not sexy
What you said is kinda rude.

Even if she is fat, she can still be sexy if she wants to be sexy.
No. 128585 ID: c8d230

Criticism is like spoiled meat.

It smells bad, tastes bad, sometimes just looking at it makes you sick.

But if it's properly prepared (constructive criticism) than eating it not only provides nutrition, but also builds immunity to the harmful effects.

Then there's unprepared, spoiled meat (haters). Eating that shit is just gonna tear you up from the inside.

That was a complicated metaphor who's basic massage was; don't take hate, because hate tastes like spoiled meat.
No. 128590 ID: 3ef4d3

Would an analogy of trying to swallow a whole, live pufferfish verses eating properly prepared fugu work better?
No. 128595 ID: c81ec8

Yeah probably. My analogy was spoiled meat cause I was eating discount steak at the time of writing.
No. 128601 ID: 449ffe

i'm thinking most analogies would have worked better.
(sorry, someone had to criticize the post about criticism)
No. 128604 ID: 94796c
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Hey all! I have a discord server now, at https://discord.gg/DVhDSj3! Come hang out!
No. 128632 ID: a938aa

No. 129180 ID: 975dce
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This is now also a Kindling disthread! At least until it gets big enough to need a proper one.

No. 129197 ID: ea5947

The art style of this quest is quite abstract and much different from Eth. Not that I mind, I find it quite interesting. As long as it's not used to censor certain things too much heh. What I'd like to ask is, what made you decide on this art style and will it remain the same through the whole quest?
No. 129199 ID: 4bfa7c

Gotta see how well it works, it'll probably develop quite a bit.

It was inspired partly by middle american art- mayan and aztec especially- and modern day pop art, with some dunmer thrown in.
No. 129405 ID: d767bd

Apologies for the hiatus!

Real life has been very stressful. I'll return to regular updates in a week!
No. 129408 ID: a27a13

that's fine, deer. hope things get better soon.
No. 129410 ID: eeb7d9

You do you stuff, mate, we aren't going anywhere!
No. 129559 ID: 5791fe

So, updating has been kinda difficult lately, because people haven't been... suggesting much. This is probably my fault, since I'm the one running the quest, but bear with me, I'm still an amateur.

Should I switch to a lettered system, like Coxwette? Always keeping a blank option for people who have their own suggestions? It might help keep up the pace a little, and encourage more people to join in.
No. 129562 ID: bb78f2

It may also be because we're in a difficult, slow, puzzley situation, so some suggesters are waiting for the hard part to be over, preferring a more active and smarter people to solve the situation for them.

I'm speaking for me, mostly. Don't know how many other's feel the same, but there's a good chance. Even with the lettered system, people might just be waiting for updates to pile up to binge through and better get their bearings on the environment. The Castle attack and escape was very active, so it was react and GOOOOOO! Don't think, DO!

Knowing that though, I'll suggest more. I'm not that confident in my answers so the letters will help a lot.
No. 129563 ID: eeb7d9

Yeah, i agree with this, i am more of the "spark of moment" than the "calmly finish the puzzle". I don't dislike it, i just have a really hard time with puzzles, and because English is my second language too.

I am loving the quest so far!
No. 129564 ID: a08df5

Thanks for the great answers guys!
No. 130129 ID: 56f59c

Sorry for the lengthy hiatus, regular updates will resume shortly.
No. 130544 ID: 2976ba
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>Spots moans in culinary ecstasy.

This calls for a classic.
No. 130547 ID: eeb7d9

Noooo i had got rid of that mental image!
No. 133751 ID: ff3732

SOOOO... we using this again or Deer makes a new one?
No. 133752 ID: a8ec2e

This one is a dumpster fire. I'll make a new one
No. 133754 ID: a8ec2e

Please direct discussion of the EthQuest Reboot here: https://questden.org/kusaba/questdis/res/133753.html
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