Three Horns and company go to Moot Point and start a band called Kobold Sex Party.

Nobody realizes that the name is literal.

(Please enjoy this thought from 5 AM)

Do Phoenixes get a new soul when they rebirth, do they lose some cohesion of their mind, or are they as nigh-immortal as fae?

I hope the newly reborn phoenix is a cute little baby chick.

Dear Toxo,
Thank you so much for this lovely, fuzzy, queer quest! I just wanted to ask whether the idea of being “trans*” exists as a concept in the world of Moot Point? I ask because we’ve encountered so many wonderful characters who could be read as trans (Vivian, Cecil, Cervantes, Miki – gosh, I adore Miki – and now Cauldera). These characters have played a major role in getting me so invested in the quest, and in helping me feel seen and okay with my own identity. However, I don’t want to be doing an injustice to the characters by reading/projecting onto them as trans* if the concept itself makes no sense in Moot Point (though if the concept doesn’t exist because there’s simply no presumed connection between bodies and identities in Moot Point, that’s a nice utopia to aspire to too…)

Question: is it possible to create a 'spirit contraceptive' by actively enchanting someone's womb to prevent soul energy from entering, or does that create an empty shell?

Alternatively, other magic.

That would explain all the constant unprotected sex.

>>132399
Sorry it took me so long to see this! Thank you so much! In canon Im operating where trans identity is totally valid and an accepted part of society. I had actually considered a storyline that went into the mechanics of physically transitioning a bit, but dropped it in favor of helping miki find the missing fire ward. Essentially it boils down to using magic to change as much or as little as the person wants, but is done over a period of time and requires occasional check ups to refresh the magic and see if theyre comfortable with the progress. I had imagined it to be roughly comparable with modern methods of transitioning and that pretty much everyone in the culture knows at least someone whos trans.

Its something I thought about addressing more directly when talking about mikis childhood, but felt that Miki’s transness isnt really her story, its who she is. Her story is that she had a magical ability she couldnt control and her parents taught her a skill that helped her make friends. I wanted it to be clear that she was trans from a very young age and that the support she got let her grow into the talented and happy person she is

>>133840
Yeah, ive never really gone into it, but essentially magical contraception is a pretty common thing. its a simple charm that requires an occasional renewal and is easily removed if someone wants to get pregnant. While the main cast is obviously way more sexually active than the average citizen, the culture has a more relaxed view on casual sex than what we’re familiar with: in part because unwanted pregnancy and venereal disease is so rare.

I'm guessing that fey, elementals, and mortals can't interbreed?

Is there a missing chapter or do we actually jump from chapter 2 to 4?

>>133903
I would say that there’s some degree of interbreeding possible. Mostly between fey/elementals and fey/mortals. Though fey and elementals are so long lived, that its fairly rare for them to have kids in the first place. Cross planar children would be even rarer but still possible!

>>133997 chapter 1 and chapter 2 are both in one thread, it’s possible thats where the confusion is? The wiki has links to every thread

>>134091
Aaaaah yes indeed!
Because I was just adding the latest thread on the wiki and saw the discrepancy so I wanted to check.
If you guys are ok with it I might take a minute to fix the numbering

Can the flames from the marriage festival accidentally create a baby fire elemental?

I made Moot Point Fanart fo you! Livedenight the Furry Artist 2021/09/24(Fri)23:19 No. 136253 ID: 9026bb
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Hello im Livedenight the furry artist also known as AjayRulezzz. I make a bunch of furry art on my Instagram page for people to enjoy. Toxoglossa i just wanted to let you know how much i enjoyed reading Moot Point so much that i decided to make this sketch of Nixxy flirting with my oc, "Living Night" though i thought it be funny for this water-horse-gal to simp for this dragon-hybrid wearing his iconic mask.
I hope you enjoy this sketch I really enjoyed reading this Novel Series

Better Quality of Sketch is on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT2us2thkgd/?utm_medium=copy_link

>>136253
yoo thank you! I think that's the first Nixxy fanart I've ever received!

Litany: I AM COMPLETE!

Viv: Waiiiit, waiiiit, waiiiit, you mothefucker, I challenge you to a rock-off!

Are we back on track for the main plot?

I'm thinking about editing the Questden page and fluffing it up a bit. Do I need to mark some characters as spoilers? What pictures should I use?

the wiki still only describes but only the first three characters, I know those two spirit bots but I cont remember from which thread

>>138564
Yeah i'll try to update it in the upcoming future if I get some free time.
Any help is appreciated though.

Just posting this so I can say I called it, if I called it, without actually calling it right now.

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>>139998
Is that encrypted text?

>>140006

It's a sha512 hash of a file. I can't change the contents of the file without changing its hash, so if I post the correct contents after the big reveal, I will get credit as if I predicted it before!

Well um, credit as... anon, which defeats the purpose of credit, but... at least I can prove that *someone* predicted it!

Mostly I'm just messing around.

Nasterspine 2023/10/06(Fri)00:03 No. 140850 ID: 4591f8
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i like Moot Point a lot. especially how fey are represented. so i drew a guy

"Rutattezen" seems both just close enough to a name I've heard before and just far enough I can't tell if this is a reference to some historical figure or not

I realized we've met a fire elemental, water elemental, wind elemental/god, but no earth elemental!

So in the end, is it supposed to be "lichfire" or "litchfire"?
Are we talking about fire made by a lich, or by a litchi?

>>/quest/1101551

My mood music for this thread is "Cult of the Lamb OST - Sacrifice".

I'm not all that familiar with the story of this quest. I've just been kind of vaguely aware of its existence for a while, until I decided to check out the current thread out of curiosity and found that it was in the middle of a scenario that was highly relevant to my interests. It was the public bondage scene that particularly got my attention. The whole experience has been very enjoyable so far!

I'll admit that I got overeager with some of my more exotic interests during Gabe's scene. I should have taken the hint earlier that the ideas I had in mind weren't compatible with the scenario. Thanks for still trying to work with me even then. The way it turned out was very satisfying.

How far in advance was this whole "living statue gallery" thing developed, in terms of what it is and how it functions and the like? It seems like different things are being described at different points in the thread.

There's some controversy over whether certain sex scenes were consensual or not. I'm going to try and state my case as clearly and thoroughly as I can, in hopes of resolving things without too much drama. Observe:

>>/quest/1115029

What's happening here is that Kol is being magically forced to experience unnatural emotions, while completely immobilized and incapable of thought, for an immeasurable period of time. He is being subjected to a unfamiliar sex act which is far more extreme than the mundane sex acts he agreed to in this scene, and simultaneously rendered completely incapable of protesting. And he was given no warning that this would happen to him. Thus, he did not and was unable to grant consent, explicit or implied, before or during the act. This is a problem because the scene was intended to be safe bondage/dominance play and is being treated as such, and other scenes in the sequence make a point to include consent which is absent here.

We did agree to other acts, which include providing sexual services and being displayed in public. Invasive mind control magic is something else entirely. Someone who wanted to justify it (I'm that someone, I really, really, really wish I could justify everything Argus did) could argue that Casey and Gabe were willing because, even though they didn't understand what was going to happen to them, they knew that something was going to happen and they chose to take their chances. But seeing it happen to Kol was the reason they learned about it at all; Kol himself had no such opportunity to refuse.

One might claim that Kol agreed by accident by agreeing to a bargain he didm't understand. I reject this notion. Based on the information we had when we made those agreements, events go as follows:

Before we signed the contract, we were told that it would entail acting in Argus's service, and "spending some time on display". An example of the latter can be seen during the previous scene in the arena; this is what we could reasonably expect our agreement to mean, based on how it was described prior to signing.
After we agreed, and were thereafter unable to withdraw consent, we received new information on what "being on display" actually meant. It was very different from how it was presented earlier, involving unfamiliar magic which was described in vague and poetic language which gives us lityle actual information. At this point, we know what it looks like to an outside observer, bot only that. Notably, we were not told when it would occur.
Finally, we reach the context for the above: Argus demands sex from Kol, adding that he won't be forced to provide that particular service if he doesn't want to be. Kol agrees. During an otherwise mundane sex scene, Argus suddenly forces Kol into the aforementioned magic, which he had not previously mentioned he intended to do during that act, nor explained at all, giving Kol no opportunity to accept or refuse until after it was over.

In summary, Kol could not and did not offer consent. He lacked the necessary information. Argus clearly didn't intend to be a rapist, and the author clearly didn't intend to write a rape scene, but that's what ended up happening.

Some argue that this doesn't match the tone of the quest. That is exactly the problem. If the events of a story don't match the tone the author wants to write, that means they shouldn't happen, not that they didn't happen. But once it happens, it happens. This is what happened here, and the only appropriate response is to address it.

>>144806
That doesn't look like mind control to me. It's paralysis and warped perception of time. Also, you're exaggerating how "extreme" it is.

>>144808
"Doesn't look like"...? That is mind control, even the way you put it. And you left out some important parts. Argus not only made Kol completely immobile and drastically warped his mind's perception of time, he also hijacked all of his senses, overloaded his sense of pleasure, and rendered him incapable of thought during the experience. I'm not exaggerating how much of an escalation this is from what they were doing at the time.

And then there's the main issue, which is that Argus never gave Kol the ability to give or withdraw consent, despite telling him he had permission. Kol couldn't have consented beforehand because he had no idea it was coming, and he can't be said to have allowed it passively because he was unable to even process what was happening to him, let alone move, speak, or otherwise give any indication if he wanted it to stop, until Argus was finished.

By contrast, Argus also unexpectedly put Kol in bondage shortly prior to this, but there weren't any moral issues with that because Kol was still able to decide if he wanted Argus to continue, and would have been able to protest if he had felt otherwise. The same goes for most of the other things he's been doing. Argus clearly understands that he has certain responsibilities in how he treats Kol, but he failed to fulfill them and it's fair to tell him so.

>>144811
>hijacked all his senses
Oh, so showing someone a photo is hijacking their eyes now?

Either you're delusional or arguing in bad faith.

Like, Argus explained how it worked already. The vision they're having is from them seeing into Argus's mind. Even "hijacking" someone's senses is in the category of illusion, not mind control. Mind control is stuff where someone is made to do something against their will. You know, CONTROLLING someone's MIND? So it just sounds like you're playing with words to make it look way worse than it is.

Oh, as for not being able to think, I'm pretty sure that's because Kol was busy cumming his brains out.

We see firsthand that Kol is incapable of perceiving the world around him with any of his senses (or moving, speaking, or thinking) while Argus traps him in one of these scenes. We now know that Argus draws the scenes from his memory, but only that; the exact mechanics aren't as relevant as what Kol was forced to experience, and his experience was so overwhelming that we seriously thought it was time travel at first. A photograph doesn't come close to describing it.

As for the question of how much of Kol's mind Argus can take control of before it counts as "mind control", that's a matter of semantics. What matters is that this was done to him against his will. He was never able to say "no". If you think he did consent at some point and I missed it, then when and how did he?

Also, I don't appreciate the notion that I'm maliciously trying to demonize Argus. His scenario is what got my attention in the first place. When it comes to his actions, I'm trying to justify everything I can and forgive what I can't. It's only this one thing for which I'm forced to choose "forgiveness" because I can't logically justify it, but the first step towards forgiving him is to acknowledge that he did something bad to forgive. That's my immediate goal here: to call out Argus on violating his own morals, so that he'll realize what he did wrong and remember not to make the same mistake again.

Sure, you're saying that you're not demonizing Argus but you're constantly deflecting attempts to talk you down from the severity of the accusations. Yeah, it was intense. Intensely pleasurable. Yeah, they saw things they didn't understand or expect. Yet, they all agreed to be put in the Gallery. Heck, the original expectation was that they would be put on display themselves, as conscious art pieces, rather than sculptures created from moments recorded by Argus's mind. Kol thought it was time travel at first because that experience was sooner than expected, that's all.

Honestly what I think is really going on is you got super obsessed with the quest and kept making these really high effort (and frankly a bit cringe) RP posts in it, but the author doesn't seem to be going along with it so you're either lashing out at them (Toxoglossa has stated that the quest is founded on consent) or thinking that if you make a post that's super hard to ignore then you won't be ignored anymore.
buuuut I'm often a bit paranoid, so maybe you're just... I don't know, weird and dumb. Maybe you missed that Argus is a Fey creature and the mice all signed an actual Contract to be able to go on the heist, which included details regarding the penalty of being put on display in the Gallery.

>>144817
This has nothing to do with the fact that Toxo has only sometimes gone along with my suggestions. I'm perfectly fine with the story not exactly adhering to my personal kinks; we like different things, and it takes some adjustment to align my suggestions with what the author likes to write. That's just how questing goes. Like I said before, I'm here because it's been a very enjoyable experience and I'm glad to be able to participate as much as I have.

This isn't about that. This is about one particular issue that needed to be adressed: the bath scene was meant to be consensual, but it wasn't.

You've been downplaying the severity of Argus's actions by describing them inaccurately, e.g. comparing a full-sensory hallucination to looking at a photograph. I haven't found a truly valid excuse yet. As for you latest reasons:
"They signed the contract" doesn't work because they weren't informed of what it meant until they weren't able to refuse anymore, Kol wasn't informed that it would happen in the bath when he agreed to have sex there, and it being so different from what they were led to expect only makes it more true that Kol did not consent.
You addressed the fact that Kol's mind was so overloaded with unfamiliar sensations that he was incapable of thought by stating that he was "overloaded with pleasure". That doesn't happen from the kind of sex Kol agreed to (or from looking at a photograph). Calling the mind-breaking experience "pleasure" doesn't justify it in a situation where Kol did not consent.
Kol thought it was time travel not because it was "sooner than expected". I don't know how you came to that conclusion. He thought that he was sent to the future because he was forced to experience an immeasurably long period of time incapable of motion, thought, or perceiving the world around him. The entire time, he had absolutely no way to change his situation or communicate any possible distress, meaning that Kol did not consent.

Apart from that last one, I've already considered all these justifications and more, and they just don't work. The only thing I can think of that could work is the possibility that Kol is willing to forgive Argus if he takes responsibility for his actions.

Toxoglossa: What do think about this? Talking about it has been very stressful for me, and I'm sure it hasn't been easy on you, but I felt like I needed to say something and I don't know what else to do. Am I making any sense to you at all?

I'll be honest I just got back from having a really magical time at the con and I'm kind of fucking tired and stressed out about this too. I've been trying to work along with your suggestions but the intensity is, honestly, kind of creeping me out: particularly some of the stuff with Gabe's first sex scene and, like, wanting so see him punished and stuff. that was really kinda pushing some boundaries for me and I was kinda just trying to write past all that.

But that aside, I didnt fully explain what kind of magic they'd experience beforehand and that's on me and I apologize. Thats MY fault, not Argus's and I should do better as a writer. Its the first time Ive written something so kinky into the story and Im still figuring out how to balance around it. Consent is something I take really seriously in the story, and so Im gonna try and do better in the future. I dont intend to address it or confront Argus about it in the story because its my mistake, not Argus's and I dont intend to write him as someone who would violate consent like that.

>>1144831
I'm sorry. I didn't realize my enthusiasitc roleplaying was making you so uncomfortable. I was playing it up because I thought it enhanced the mood, and I thought you were having fun with it. I'll tone it down significantly from now on. You have my sincerest apologies for that, and for spoiling the good mood you had going.

For the Gabe thing, that was mostly from an elaborate and poorly-thought out plan that went something like this: Gabe freaks out over his situation, Argus comforts him and assures him that it won't be that bad, Gabe admits that he weirdly enjoys being afraid of Argus, and they agree to do some harsher kinky stuff together. In retrospect I fully realize what a bad idea this was and I won't try something like that again.

Now, about Argus. I've been pondering this a lot and I have a lot to say about it. No pressure to read all this while you're feeling stressed out, but I'm going to put all my thoughts out here so they're here whenever you're ready. Here goes:

We didn't need a full explanation of how his magic worked (and we still only partially know); it would have been valid if they knew they were going to experience something didn't fully understand. It would be an unknown factor, but a "known unknown" factor they could choose to experiment with. Casey and Gabe made that choice, but Kol couldn't. The core of the problem is that he didn't know that Argus was about to do it to him; if Argus had said something like "I'll show you what being put in my collection is like", then Kol would have known that something more than normal sex was about to happen, and he could choose to find out what it was, avoid the risk, or ask for more information first. The rest of the time, Argus was responsible enough that his partners could have refused or asked him to stop if they wanted to. It's only that one specific act that went too far.

As for Argus himself, it's sadly undeniable that he did in fact do something that's "out-of-character" for the person he wants to be. You wrote it that way without meaning to, but Argus actually did it in-story. It's an established fact of the narrative now, with or without acknowledgement. And it's not entirely against the characters' personalities. Argus is confident to a fault and used to feeling invincible, so he actually could get slightly careless in the worst possible way. And Kol has been noticeably more uncertain about being a servant than the other two, which wasn't meant to be related, but it could partially stem from a subconscious unease with what happened in the bath, even if he's been enjoying himself on a conscious level. And they would and should talk about it at some point, even if it happens "offscreen".

It's clear that Argus would deeply regret it once he understood what he did, and Kol could probably forgive him if he did something significant to make up for it. I've been pondering what he could do, and my best idea is that Argus "un-heals" the tooth that Kol knocked out and leaves a permanent gap in his smile. It won't significantly inconvenience him (just like, through sheer luck, Kol is much less traumatized than he could have been) and they won't ever have to bring it up in conversation, but it will always be there as a reminder of the time he got careless, and as a promise to himself and Kol that he'll never make the same mistake again. I had this elaborate scenario in mind where they decide not to have sex until Kol can beat him in a practice fight (by taking another tooth) in hopes that being strong enough to defend himself would help Kol feel less like a victim, but if you don't want to acknowledge it in-story, you could simply show Argus with a missing tooth to show that they addressed the issue without openly addressing it.

I don't want to put even more stress on you, but I have to note that Caleb is also to blame for what happened. He gave Kol incomplete information without a reason to think it was incomplete, even though he knew what Argus's gallery was like, setting his lover up to trap himself in a contract he didn't understand. Of course this isn't the kind of thing he'd do intentionally. Maybe Argus explained it to Caleb when he asked and Caleb assumed he'd do the same for Kol.

>>144832
No Im not doing this. I already told you that I wont be addressing it in the quest. Frankly, this is the kind of thing thats really starting to creep me out and make me upset. Given how enthusiastic you’ve been with suggestions throughout these scenes with Argus, and how much youve bent over backwards to insist “no no no I am enjoying this, but argus though…” it makes me feel like all of this concern about consent is disingenuous , and that its really more about fulfilling some specific type of fantasy or character moment, and at this point I can’t tell if you’re being genuine. Either way, I think you should step away from the quest for a bit because I’ve already said what Im going to say about it and im not interested in addressing it in the story itself

>>144833
I'm really not trying to do anything like that. I understand completely that the way I was posting made you uncomfortable and I would have stopped if I had known. I only brought up the issue with that scene because it didn't match the story you wanted to tell. It's not some backhanded plot to trick you into fulfilling a fantasy, I get that we don't have the same kinks and it has nothing to do with that. I'm honestly just giving my thoughts on how to handle something that bothered you about your story.

Well, I've said what I could. Sorry again for causing you so much distress. I really, truly, didn't have any idea that my exaggerated posting style was bothering you anywhere near this much.

To be clear, I've been deliberately exaggerating my enthusiasm this whole time because I thought you liked it. I thought you were enjoying it the same way I was and were trying to encourage me. I would have stopped if I had any idea it was upsetting you.

...I still need to clarify that my concerns genuinely have nothing to do with my enthusiasm. If you need a reason to believe me: I liked the bath scene when it first happened! I said as much at the time! If I was trying to put my kinks in the story, I'd keep praising it in hopes of seeing more things like it. It was only after I got used to the story you wanted to tell that I looked back and realized that scene didn't fit with it. The reason I was so verbose is to lay out my reasoning as clearly as possible for why it's so important to fix.

Simple version, if you ever want to look: Now that it's been written into the story, it's explicitly something Argus did once. Disregarding it only makes him remorseless about it. This is no longer a story where consent has never been violated, but it risks becoming a story where consent is violated and this is never treated as a bad thing.

I think that's all I need to clarify. I get that this has been a really bad day for you and I'm... not sorry for being the bearer of bad news. But I'm sorry for exaggerating my roleplaying that much. And I'm sorry for the whole Gabe thing, I fully realize I went way too far with that. And I'm just sorry in general. I promise that spoiling this experience for you was the last thing I ever meant to do. I'd try to end this on a positive note if I could, but... well, it's probably better to just rest for a little while. Maybe things will feel better tomorrow.

>>144836
I've already stated, twice, that Im not interested in addressing it in canon at this moment. If I figure out a good way to deal with it, I will but I'm not perfect and this story is not perfect. there's stuff that I think I fucked up writing: like Cecil fooling around with Gabe while high on plant spores, or litany deadnaming Vivian. I'm doing my best to keep the vibes comfy and establish consent at all times. I thought I had done enough to establish consent going into the scene with Kol: through his agreement to have sex, having Caleb explain earlier in the chapter that glamour's can't hurt you, and having the mice all see what "displaying" actually means.

I have already apologized and admitted I fucked up and taken responsibility. at this point, if you're still uncomfortable, I think that's on you and you should, I reiterate, step away from suggesting for a while. I'll be honest, I'm getting sick of this chapter as im sure some of the other readers are, and I just want to move on and not fucking linger on it. this was supposed to be a fun, kinky training arc but now its just dragging on and I dont even care.

>>144837
I thought you were upset with how the scene went because you agreed that Kol didn't have enough information to offer genuine consent.

I've previously shared an idea for how to show it was addressed in-universe without directly acknowledging it on-page if you don't want to ruin the mood. It was kind of buried in that giant post where I explained everything. I could post a simpler version if you want to read it.

I dont, I really dont. I read it and I already said no. Three times now. I've tried to be nice about asking you to chill out, but now I'm telling you: stop it. Im already having a miserable day dealing with con crud, I dont want to ban you from posting in my threads, but I will if you dont start respecting my boundaries.

>>144839
Okay. Sorry for dumping all of this on you right when you came back from a break. I've said about all I can say on the matter, so we'll just leave it unacknowledged from now on. I'll just assume Kol and Argus talked it out offscreen and I won't pressure you to do anything to show it. I genuinely thought you might have missed my idea and want to hear it, since it was buried at the end of an excessively long post and, with all the stress I've caused you already, it would be totally understandable if you skipped over it.

I will say that it was fine when it happened to Casey and Gabe, since they saw what happened to Kol and knew to expect the unexpected. That one rationale was valid. It's only when it happened to Kol that crossed a line; there wasn't a problem with anything else, and if it ever seemed like I was saying otherwise, that was just part of my ill-advised and overdone roleplaying.

Okay, I'm done for real now. I apologize again for causing so much stress with my behavior. In hindsight, I can see how hard it's been to be patient with me. From now on, if I decide tp participate in your quests I'll keep it appropriate to the thread's intended tone and significantly less overwrought.

Let's change the subject. On the remote chance of ending on a better note, is there anything you did like about any of my suggestions in the thread? It's fine if you don't feel like answering, or if you want to wait until you're in a better mood before dealing with me again. But it might help to think of something more positive.

>>144840
Wait, no, ignore that last question. This is definitely not the right time.

If I can stick my oar in here as a first time commenter on this thread; I don't think that Argus as a character has too much to apologize for. There was, as previously stated, a contract and in story Tox showed what would happen to those defeated. I feel like the exact manner of said display tripped some alarm bells in how it was described, since it was some magical bullshit. Was it the most ethical BDSM scene? Probably not. Could it have been fixed with a line or two from Argus? Perhaps! Is it worth getting upset about? In my opinion, no. And here's why: it's human. It's human to sometimes forget things and accidentally omit something or other in exact detail, and while that was an experience Kol couldn't have known to anticipate, he lives in that world and could reasonably anticipate some fey magic bullshit with the exact manner of his being put on display, especially with gates not working as they usually do to begin with. And since they did sign the contract and basically consented to being put on display should they lose -- which they did -- the only unknown factor is the exact manner of their display. Which was, again, fey bullshit. They, and Kol, have experience with fey and fey bullshit. That being put on display entailed magic that altered their perception so they could, briefly, experience the moment of their orgasm stretched out while the "camera" captured it... yeah.

But again, it's human to forget detailing or warning about the exact details, especially when Argus in particular is taking that mouse to pound town and getting off his own self

>>144842
You're definitely going too far here, and I say that as someone who's been making that mistake for a while now. I disagree for previously stated reasons, but I won't repeat myself again because Toxo wants to drop the subject and so do I.

We're fine with Argus as a charachter and that's the bottom line.