naileD 2017/08/31(Thu)16:57 No. 115038 ID: e8f4bd
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>>115017
>stop trying to fuck the bunny
Sorry. I really want those buns. Please stop hating her :(

Image commissioned by me. Artist is Radial.

>>115034
>>115036
Also, Julia's been shown as pretty remorseless long before she even showed up, purely by what happened to Ellen. I think that's pretty well enough character development on her part.

In Davey's case pretty much all we had to brand him as a rapist was a single interaction with little backstory. It's a fairly different thing.

>>115036
> instead we're messing around and being distracted by tits fucking a millionth time.

Son you've been reading the wrong quest if this is your biggest complaint so far. I suggest you go cool off.

>>115040
There's an appropriate time to be distracted by tits, and this isn't it.

>>115041
Frankly, with how terribly y'all've been doing lately in the ladies' department, Chuck's best shot at a titty distraction is with someone he's already banged.

>>115047
Yeah, sure, but we can think of that once all this zombie business has blown over.

Anonymous 2017/09/01(Fri)06:00 No. 115055 ID: 9b8c8d
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>>115054
SHE IS A DRUG DEALER. Some hard stuff, too, not just weed. She knows it's dangerous, she knows Ellen might've overdosed, she tossed some of the stuff at her anyway. She probably got paid for it, too. Why would she give this shit up without being paid?

She didn't try to hurt Ellen, perhaps. But she gave the tools for it and shows no remorse for it. Her saying something about "thought she could use a pick me up" is an excuse, perhaps even a lie: it certainly shouldn't be taken as "proof" of anything. Why the fuck would you take anything she says as proof? How fucking gullible are you?

And all that being said, the fact still remains that right now she's a petty, stupid, ignorant, selfish, antagonizing obstacle between us being here and us getting back to the Plath house. There are monsters outside, we are wounded, and she's still dragging this on. If she really cared for Ellen, as you say it, wouldn't she also care for Rita and Chuch? Wouldn't she have moved this on as soon as she saw their wounds, apologised for the caltrops, given back the medicine, and gone back to the safehouse with us? But she didn't, and she hasn't, because she's a fucking dick.

You think I'm the one being a cruel little kid? You think I'm being too harsh on her? I'm just judging her by what I see. I'm judging her by how she's behaved so far, and how much she seems to care about us, or things around us. No one died - but someone could've, and she still didn't care. Someone still could, and she doesn't care.

If anyone here is negatively influenced by her, it's YOU. YOU are so obsessed with fucking the bunny, so thinking with your dick, that you're dismissing every bit of evidence of her being bad news and instead take HER word, the word of a selfish drug dealer, as PROOF over everything else!

Fuck you, and fuck your bunny waifu.

>>115055
ok

>>115055
Delian makes every excuse possible to crush puss Even if doing so is demonstratably a terrible idea, and he should be mocked for this so he goes and pays rml to draw his fetishes instead

>>115058
I've long since given up hope of us ever getting to fuck Rachel, whom I consider best girl. Delian should give up as well.

Some things just aren't going to happen, no matter how much they may hurt us.

>>115054

"Where did i say anything about bowing to julia?"

"We should try to meet any demands that ahe has"

Lol

>>115054
What? We're to blame for not personally meeting her earlier and then changing the course of her behaviour because we bear the full responsibility for preventing her bad actions?

No. No, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

I always find it funny how hard people bandwagon against some of RMLs characters because they are flawed or make a bad judgement calls. They're honestly my favorite characters.

<RML> I was anticipating some controversy, but not nearly this level
<Seven01a19> And she's paranoid somebody's gonna rat her out to the cops JUST LIKE CHUCK WAS
<Seven01a19> I don't think people understand who Chuck is, or who Julia is, and they definitely don't understand their relationship.
<RML> Also Julia knows little about the town
<RML> She cannot be expected to act 100% ratoinally based on such little information
<RML> the worst part is if the vote is to punch Julia, I pretty much have 2 do it
<RML> even though it is totally not something Chuck would ever do

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<RML> I am throwing up in my mouth looking at the suggs

>>115066
bandwagonning implies that people are hatin on her just because others are.
I think most of the people just find her unpalatable on their own, I know I do

>>115070
it's been two updates and a whole lot of giant assumptions have already been made about her motivations and history

Litrtally every character in this quest so far has had multiple sides to them, like, as a rule.

Depression chick is super gay for the farmer's daughter and sorta sexually assaulted farmer dad when she was younger.

Ramona is a doting dogmother, but is also a lonely drunk whose alcoholism progressed to the point of withdrawal because of her lingering sorrow over her missing husband.

Chuck's a dirty lowlife bastard with, if not a heart of gold, at least a gold-leafed artery somewhere in there.

Naz is a huge lecherous nerd, but is also a huge lecherous nerd.

Do you see this running theme? I do, and I'm using it to point to drug dealer rabbit probably having more to her than this limited and late-game first impression would have you believe.

Isn't Naz one of Chuck's most loyal friends in Coxwette?

>>115072
Yep. She's a keeper and the clear runner-up contender for best waifu after marcy.

>>115073
Naz is one of the worst, but then my favorites are Angela and Layla, who have gotten next to no screentime...

>>115071
Lisa has an ass i want to touch, and also boobs i want to touch

I do feel sorry for RML. They have created a deep group of characters and are just attached to them as we are. I can only imagine our mucking around in that world can be difficult to watch sometimes. Though I have to say, we're in a life or death situation here and care about the townsfolk. While it might seem we're being violent for no reason, we want he medicine back to save the lives of those we've come to care about. While in normal circumstances violence would not be the solution here in any way, right now we've got injured and frostbitten people and want to make sure they make it through the night.

>>115071
>and also a huge lecherous nerd
Did you miss the fact that she has trouble being nice to people and half her interactions were in the form of pranking? Like for real that shit's annoying and getting her to knock it off is an improvement, even though it dampens her characterization a bit.

You forgot to mention Sophie, who is a good doctor and pretty cool person, but basically betrayed her country and family just because she wanted to be a doctor in america where she could make more money.

I feel like there's a lot more we could learn about Rachel and Layla and Rita. Selma too probably, but to me she feels like a side character (which is perhaps exactly what she wants)

I wish Chuck got a bit of his initiative back so he could say no to things he just wouldn't do. Since when did the majority vote become law in Coxwette, and why?

>>115078
Since everyone had a minor rebellion several times over the fact that Chuck seemed to ignore or severely modify suggestions more often than he followed them. (Even though I don't think he did particularly often, personally.)

>>115078
He just did. He said he wouldn't hit a lady, even if she was being obnoxious.

He defied a fair number of people to do so, and good for him.

Julia probably is more complex than she shows here, but the fact still is that she's showing her worst sides at about the worst possible moment. It's bound to affect our perspective on her in a far more negative way than it would in a calm, peaceful situation.

Also, some of us liked Ellen. Even Chuck liked Ellen. It's not easy to just brush aside the fact that she was nearly killed - not in this kind of an already tense situation - even if it were an accident.

We're definitely not going to punch her for JUST being annoying. I don't think anyone was suggesting that. We had our reasons, overreacting as it might be.

>>115090
Chuck's not a good cat-man-dude but he's seen things and been places. He's an adult, even if he's a criminal. Punching someone in this situation for dealing enough drugs to someone to OD indicates the emotional maturity of a tweleve year old. Chuck's like, three times as old as that. He knows throwing punches usually doesn't solve anything.

Even if it is cathartic.

>>115069
Can't we finally put the "CHUCK IS JUST AS BAD" meme to a rest?

I mean he's no saint. He's a lecherous scoundrel, an outlaw, and almost certainly responsible for some bad shit over the years. But during this quest he's displyed legitimate character development, standards, and actually caring about people. He's come a long way.

Julia has none of that. All we've seen of her so far is selfishness, lack of remorse, paranoia, evidence for serious crimes that could've gotten someone killed, and obstructing us from doing the right thing and saving lives. "She didn't mean it" and "No one actually died" aren't very good excuses, especially when she doesn't regret it and might well do it again. Maybe she has better qualities, potential for the same development as Chuck, but we don't have time for any of that now - we have to take her as what we see.

I'm really sorry if some of us made you ill, RML. I like your quest in most aspects. But whether you have meant it or not, here you've presented a character that's REALLY easy to despise.

>>115099
I'll humor you.

A) It's still theft. Returning the drugs MIGHT be a mitigating factor if she regretted what she was doing one iota. She doesn't. This shit doesn't work on children, and even less on adults.

A) She has shown no regret for what she did, nor any real sign of really caring for anyone's happiness: she just saw a mark. Even if she did care, she should know better than try to make someone happy with dangerous substances. Besides, something bad DID happen - she got very sick. It could've easily gone even worse.

?) This one is strange, and I could easily come up with many less sympathetic options. Like the one in the above: she saw a mark.

A) She knows Chuck and is very unpleasant even with him.

B) We will make her return them, though. Not only do we need it, but it's also a crime and it's the only wayshe'll learn.

Maybe she does show a more sympathetic side later: many people do, and first impressions aren't everything. But in her case I doubt it, because of a truly abominable first impression she made. Plus, habituary drug users tend to be the most shallow of all humans, given how drugs sap everything else from their life and make everything revolve around getting the next fix.

Sometimes people are not hiding sympathetic hearts of gold. Sometimes people are just cunts.

>>115111
>Would she lie to Chuck?
Given evidence so far, I have absolutely no reason to doubt that yes, she would.

Addicts don't need to be high to be unsympathetic. After a lifetime of highs and withdrawals, obsession and sickness, everything else tends to be purged from their minds. She has little to look for that isn't the next fix, unless she repents and wants to get rid of the habit and get their lives in order again - and I think it's pretty damn clear that she doesn't, hell, she mocks Chuck for doing just that!

She doesn't realize she has a problem. She doesn't apologise for anything. She refuses to give up the drugs, even when lives are on the line. She refuses to take responsibility. She refusesto even entertain the thought outside of her drugs and the cops. Until these things begin to change, she won't get one bit of sympathy or pity from me.

Anonymous 2017/09/02(Sat)19:49 No. 115131 ID: d4516a
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So we're really going to do this?

We're going to throw away our safety, our reputation, every chance we might have with anyone else here, possibly several lives, and all the character development and growth, just to go right back begging to THE worst girl?

I know it's a bit of a meme that chuck is a terrible person, but this is crossing every line.

I mean I really thought he'd had a bit of positive development throughout the quest. He'd gotten rid of some of his worst tendencies. He'd found a place to belong. He'd made friends, even loved ones, actually gone through leaps and bounds to HELP people. There was a real thing between him and Marcie.

Well, fuck all that. As soon as an old flame - a horribly irresponsible, self-centered, all around obnoxious old flame - shows up and says Chuck is a terrible person, a sex-addled drug addict that doesn't give a shit about anyone else, we just go ahead and AGREE with her. Yeah, Luke fucking Skywalker (well, maybe Han Solo but still) just hopped right into the dark side as soon as the Emperor first asked him. That's just about the exact opposite of what should happen. Even discounting narrative it's incredibly stupid and self-destructive.

Everything we'd built up in here, all right back to the garbage. Anything we've accomplished in this quest, all become like ash in our mouths. There's no satisfaction. No catharsis. No joy of accomplishment. None of this might as well have never happened at all.

Whatever RML felt back when we were all trying to get Chuck to punch her, I'm pretty sure I'm feeling it right now. I can't imagine how anyone here can think this is any better, and I hope I'm not the only one ashamed for having been here and let it come to pass.

Fuck this quest for having strung me along so long, and actually get me invested. And fuck all the rest of you. I'm siding with the reverends now. I hope they'll swoop in and murder our sinful asses.

>>115131
Calm down! Jesus!

Well, I feel annoyed at the current state of events. Understatement, I'll admit, but I'm not the sort to really lay into folks like the above guy.

But am I happy? Nope. Not in particular.

Gang I'm not going to go through the trouble of logging in to put my mod tag on but you all need to take a breath and chill the heck out. It's going to be ok.

>>115131
It should be noted however that RML never saw Chuck as someone deserving of total redemption, and she'd stated more than once that she wasn't going to move his character particularly far from where it started in the interest of 'realism'; the idea for her was that someone might be able to improve incrementally, but not in totality. So some folks hoping for a happy ending were bound to be disappointed since Chuck will never and was never intended to become a good person.

At least, that's along the lines of what I recall her saying, anyway. I might be ENTIRELY wrong, but I don't think I am.

>>115131
Attitudes like this make reading and writing quests intensely unfun. If you need to dedicate this much effort into hating on something someone is creating and hating on other readers decisions; all based off a character we just met you need to look at what the fuck you are doing. And this is disingenuous as hell because people like you still are going to read the quest and still going to suggest in it and STILL get mad about it.
But if you really feel the need to post something like this, do us all a favor and stop posting.

This whole thread is a fucking shitshow.

Sorry about the double post! Trying to delete...

>>115139
Seriously. It's a disturbing trend and speaking as a quest author it's a big reason why my speed has slowed down.

I know it's going to sound harsh but we are doing this for free and it's a lot of effort. It's your right to be critical and everyone is glad you're invested, but if you don't understand how this is beyond the pale I don't think this is the right medium for you.

>>115139
>This whole thread is a fucking shitshow.
Which one? The main thread or the disthread? I think either one would be the correct answer.

However, I agree with you. What >>115131 said is completely unacceptable and if they truly feel that way, then they should get the fuck off tgchan and take their shitty attitude with them.

Look beyond rules and optics the bottom line is this:

It's really hard for someone to want to make things for people who treat each other this unpleasantly.

And in this hobby, wanting to make something for people is the only reason you do it.

>>115077
Yeah, that was all kinda my point. Naz is still a nice person under her social awkwardness though, as her tearful apology to chuck showed. So my joke was still solid and you can't take my success from me


Anyhow y'all need to take a breath and stop getting so antsy over the quest, I know it's hard seeing the quest taken in a direction you don't agree with but if the majority outweighs you try to, instead of fighting it, find a way to subvert it slightly towards your ends.

For example, we could try luring our new horrible rabbit friend to the big house by saying "there's cool new drugs we can fuck with there, I tried one that let me meld with people's minds and we should fuck while high off our ass on it"

This solves both problems we have, gets the people who want lewds the lewds and gives the people who want plot development and everyone safe and sound an avenue to do that.

TL:DR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbs-aBjdD9w

>>115151
Yeah I suggested mentioning Nelson's potion to her earlier in the thread but I didn't get any support. By and large people don't want to negotiate with her. They either want to fuck her, assault her, or reason with her. None of these options will be effective, it seems.

Personally, I don't feel that us having "just met" her is much of an excuse at all: she's made an absolutely abominable first impression in a situation of great seriousness and pressure.

And to be perfectly honest, I can't really imagine what kind of a tragic backstory or a hidden character quirk could exclude this kind of self-centered and destructive behavior. In cases of many other initially unpleasant characters - Davey, Snayor - we never got much of them at first and had to fill blanks with our imagination. In case of Julia, we've already got plenty of legitimate evidence of what a terrible person she is.

Sometimes, having only just met someone you can instantly tell what a trainwreck they are. Genuinely trying to defend her makes you seem delusional, naive, and entirely proves her point of us being so damn easy to manipulate.

>series of long rambling posts ahout how cunt drug sealer is actually a good psrson and its the suggesters fault that she did bad things
>mod silence
>one long rambling post aboit being annoyed and not liking the character
>multiple modposts about how they should be ashamed and are ruining quests

That post was no more unacceptable than the ridiculous pro-julia screeds that preceeded it.

>>115164
It was kind of more mean-spirited. At least the Julia-waifu guy is polite for the most part.

I.. Think I missed something in the last few posts?

There were more suggestions that werent 'fuck julia' than there were that were 'fuck julia'. When you break up the options into multiple options that arent fuxking julia and one that is, it means that the majority of suggesters do not (and did not) vote to seduce julia. It just means that the single largest block of,voters from,among multiple suggestions picked to sedice julia because the laypit of the myltiple choices consolidated those votes while scattering the 'dont' votes between multiple options.

>>115171
What a lovely demonstration of the flaws of "first past the post".

(Nothing loke politics to coup a burning wreckage of a thread!)

Locking thread at authors request