Ceridwen 2016/08/22(Mon)15:47 No. 743978 ID: 395c02
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The Cliche tree.

A place where confessions are made, information is (dramatically!) revealed, and relationships are formed and broken.

You chose to come here with Skif before going home, since there's a non-zero chance of you being grounded for like, ever. You stayed out all night with Skif without telling your parents you were going to do so. You gave in to your emotions, ignored common sense, and didn't even let the powers that be offer you guidance.

Time to get off the rails and do this the proper way once more.


You look at the note your mother gave you. It's an incantation that she claims will summon Mr. Ilan when spoken at this very spot. You study it carefully, wanting to be sure you do this correctly. You're not practiced in reciting complex, arcane scripture such as this, but you will give it your best shot.

Ceridwen 2016/08/22(Mon)15:48 No. 743980 ID: 395c02
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"So--"

"OH MY GOD MYRA I TOLD YOU TO USE THE ACTUAL INCANTATION WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME I'M TOO OLD FOR THIS SHI--"

"...."

"...."

"...."

Ceridwen 2016/08/22(Mon)15:48 No. 743981 ID: 395c02
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"You're not her."

"No."

"Ahem. Let's try that again."

"...."

Ceridwen 2016/08/22(Mon)15:48 No. 743982 ID: 395c02
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"I have been summoned. Ah, Ceridwen, my child. I was not expecting to see you here. I see you've also brought your friend. For what reason have you recited the proper incantation that I'm going to assume you said instead of what you actually said?"


What do you say/ask?

>>743982
Ask him why there's Life Magic inside you that caused you to take this form. He knows your mother- did he know about this? Does he have something to do with it?

Secondly, ask if the life magic will interfere with the True Ritual of Dragon Friendship.

"So, why's there a hole in my character sheet?"

Throw that old letter at him. The one telling your parents you're a dragon.
"So."

>>743982
Why did you give me boobs?

”For future reference, what exactly is the actual incantation, anyways?”

››743991
Adding on to this.
”And why did you make them so big?”

"Where's my milk stat?"

>>743982
"So, I'm a dragon."

>>743994
SECONDED.

"Ok, first, I'm a dragon? Aaaand things were done to make me not quite a dragon? And I want to know... what's up with that?|

"Second... Skif, here, his people have this bonding ritual for dragons that is terrible, but we found a non-terrible version of it, can we do that withotu messing up the not-dragon magic?"

"Third... some weird things have happened to me and I'd like to know if you know anything about them?"

>>743991
The most important question.

>>743991
>>743992
These.

>>743991
>>743992
>>743994

These three, all at once.

Milk stat? really guys?

I vote no referencing the other quests, I mean, seriously, milk stat? Let's keep this quest it's own world, aye?

>>744017
milk stat is eternal

>>744017
I only mention the milk stat because it was referenced here: >>/questarch/695965 and now we're stuck with useless mammaries.

>>743982
>>743983
This. And in the course of asking about the Life Magic, specifically mention what happened to us when we almost drowned, and what happened to us and Skif much more recently. Get Skif to explain what it felt like from his side, too. We want to know exactly what he did, what effects it has, why it reacted like that, and (after we get through all of that) how it might interact with an ancient dragon bonding ritual, and with the large amount of sex we plan on having.

(Also, explicitly tell him that we mean the original dragon bonding ritual, not the perverted one; don't leave any room for comedic misunderstandings on his part through poor communication.)

After all of that, try to find out where we came from.

I vote riling up a shitstorm if the milk stat is brought up any further.

>>743999
I agree with this

>>744049
me too

I say we joke about the milk stat and also joke that since he designed this body he must have a thing for boobs. Or mammals.

>>743988
Good plan.

Alright. Out with it. You've been keeping a lot of secrets from me. I know I'm a dragon and there's life magic, but now is the time for exposition on all of the stuff that I should probably know, about everything. So please, go ahead.

Ceridwen 2016/08/25(Thu)06:48 No. 744294 ID: 395c02
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"I want to know everything."

"Er, w-what about, my child? If this is about the classwork--"

You present the letter.

"...I see. She went and showed you that. Ah, Myra... you always were a soft one underneath that tough exterior."

"So it really was you. You're the one who made me like this."

"I suppose there's little point in denying it, given the evidence you've presented. Yes, I used a forbidden art to give you a chance at a normal life."

>Why did you give me boobs?
>"Where's my milk stat?"
>milk stat is eternal
"Normal? You gave me breasts! On a lizard body!"

"What? You're not supposed to have those?"

"...No!?"

"Huh... Well, you bipeds tend to look very similar to one-another."

Ceridwen 2016/08/25(Thu)06:48 No. 744295 ID: 395c02
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That's racist!

Specist?

"That's method-of-locomotionist!!!" you cry.

"Look, if I didn't have magic I'd be staring at feet all day. You'll forgive me for missing a small detail here or there."

"These are not small! Why'd you make them so big, anyway??"

"i for one appreciate what you've done, sir," Skif says.

Mr. Ilan waves a magical tendril at Skif dismissively. "That's very strange... hmm. Maybe I should examine them and see what's going on."

"What."

"Oh, don't go all mammal on me. I'm a snake, I've no ulterior motives here. This is the most direct and easy way for me to figure out what went wrong and why."

"No ulterior motives? Maybe you have a thing for them! You did this intentionally!"

"I assure you I don't and didn't. If anything, I'd be attracted to your tail."

"...."

"I mean. It's a very nice tail. Anyway, If you're uncomfortable with this, we can just move on. I don't mind either way, and I'm sure you've many questions to ask."

"...No, it's fine. I don't want any questions left unanswered."

You remove your undergarment, noticing Skif watching intently. You're not sure if he's trying to sneak a peek, or if he's legitimately curious how you remove your bra without taking your shirt off. It's a time-honored tradition, one that you're actually surprised your mother was able to pass down to you.

You finish removing it, and... Yep. Skif's smiling now.

Ceridwen 2016/08/25(Thu)06:48 No. 744296 ID: 395c02
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Mr. Ilan begins poking and prodding your chest in a way that has you less than convinced of his lack of ulterior motives. The smile fades from Skif's face, a look of disapproving jealousy forming in its place.

"Ah... I see..."

"What do you see? Besides my fading dignity."

"Just as I thought. I made a slight mistake in my original incantation. That's why you have them. As to their size... it's as if your magic is resisting mine, and this is the best way they could think of to be indignant."

"My magic gave me big tits out of spite?"

"Magic can be pretty petty sometimes. Still, I greatly underestimated how powerful yours would become, to be able to free itself enough to do this."

"Well, you know. Dragon."

"Right. Have you noticed any, for lack of a better word, leaks?"

"They've never made milk."

"What? That-- Ssssagh. I meant magical. Magical leaks."

"Oh, er, yes. Sometimes it feels like something inside me is breaking free. My stat screen even has a weird dark spot on it now!"

"That's unfortunate. I had really hoped it could be a one-time thing, but you may need to visit me every few years to have this reinforced."

Mr. Ilan looks to Skif, as if finally acknowledging his presence.

"...I would also avoid any rituals."

"That's actually one of the things I wanted to talk to you--"

Ceridwen 2016/08/25(Thu)06:48 No. 744297 ID: 395c02
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"Ah, hold that thought. You probably have a thousand questions for me, but we need to focus on one thing at a time. The good news is your breasts are vestigial-- they don't function and can't produce milk. This indicates to me that they are reptilian in nature. Them existing at all was a mistake, but for all intents and purposes they are a natural part of you now, so long as my life-magic is in place. The problem is, your inner dragon is trying very hard to break free. The moment it does so, you'd lose any chance of living a normal life."

"Why...?"

"I'm a powerful mage, but I don't hold a candle to the power of an adult dragon. If it breaks free, there's no way I could contain it. Now, close your eyes and relax. I need to get in there and reinforce my bindings. Actually, while I'm at it, I could try and reduce the size of your breasts if you'd like?"

A permanent change to bust size? What a rare opportunity! You consider the options carefully.

On one hand, they get in the way all the time and people often stare. It'd be nice to be able to wear loose-fitting shirts without looking like some kind of tent. In general, things would be more convenient, more comfortable, and much easier to draw.

On the other hand, they've been a part of you for years now. Skif is obviously fond of them, as his eyes seem to be pleading with you to say no. And they do make you feel kind of sexy in a weird way. For all the trouble they cause, you are actually fond of them.


You remind yourself that regardless of your decision, you can always use POLYMORPHISM to make temporary changes at the cost of MP.

>ok cool but like milk stat tho
He just said they can't produce milk! There's literally no reason to have that stat ever. Might as well forget all about it oh my god seriously.


What will you do?

[VOTE 1]
Have Mr.Ilan shrink them. What would be a good size...?
Keep them as-is. This is the body you're used to, and Skif loves them.


Something nags at the back of your mind. Do you...

[VOTE 1]
Let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic. This would normalize your stats and abilities for now, preventing random outbursts.
Ask Mr. Ilan to leave it be for now. You kind of want to learn Life-magic so you can handle it yourself, actually...
Ask Mr. Ilan to remove his magic from you entirely. You're a dragon, damn it! DRAGON. The large MP pool would probably let you run around in this form anyway! So what if dragon-riders can detect you!?

Keep them as-is. Your current life-goal is to build yourself a love harem, right? That or build your relationship with Skif. Your boobs will help you, in either case. And, while perhaps they've been getting in the way up until now, you only recently started on the path of more... social power. You weren't able to use them to their full potential until you became an adult, which literally just happened! You have yet to experience the advantages they offer you. Boobs are power, Ceridwen, when used right. You should enjoy a bit more of that power before you decide to give it up. You've only scratched the surface. And as you say, if they get in the way for any particular task, you can just shift them with magic.

Also, Let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic. You want to be as safe as possible until you're more experienced and more powerful: you're an adult, but you're still young. Besides, he said he'd need to reinforce every few years, which means this choice isn't permanent! If you break out as a dragon, that's it, but with the reinforcement, you can change your mind later. You still have to deal with Skif's parents, and you'll want to go to college, get a job, support your parents as they get older... if years pass and you still want to unlock your full dragon power, then you can, and with your life in a much more comfortable, secure situation that can better support you if anything bad happens.

You still have a lot of life as a normal(ish) young woman to experience before you embrace your magical destiny full-force, Ceri.

> Have Mr. Ilan shrink them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

> Magic stability
Keep it as is for now. You shouldn't unleash your magic while you're still unexperienced to take on the cult, but you also need to increase your mage potential to get to that point.

>>744297
Shrink them. It's finally time to stop looking like a pervert in public! We can always plump them up with magic for sexy times if we want.

Then leave it be for now. It'll give us an opportunity to learn some things about magic. Definitely don't have him remove it. We're not ready for that yet.

As is, obviously.

Leave it be for now. I have this lingering feeling that pushing back too hard against your dragon-ness might have unanticipated (read: "bad") consequences, especially if life magic is a forbidden art that even Mr. Ilan doesn't fully understand!

Keep them as-is. and Let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic. You should definitely look into doing the life-magic stuff for yourself though.

>He just said they can't produce milk!
He could change that.

>There's literally no reason to have that stat ever.
Tell that to evolution!

>Might as well forget all about it oh my god seriously.
Never. If you're going to have them at all they might as well be functional.

make them bigger!

>>744299

I take it from the video you're voting "keep them as-is", but maybe you want to clarify that? I think we've been asked to make our voting super clear before.

>tits

Actually, ask Mr. Ilan about the possibility of you ever having kids with anyone. And whether he could make your functional if somehow you wanted it.

(I bet there'd be a MASSIVE underground market for dragon milk. You could be rich, Ceri! Rich!! Imagine the piles of gold you could sleep on!!!)

Keep them as-is, there's really no point in changing parts of your body when that's literally your whole power anyway. You can do that yourself if the mood strikes you.
Leave it be for now, and probably indefinitely, because it's really best to just let these dragony things slowly and gradually grow as you get older get used to them. The dragon magic inside you probably knows better about what to do than this guy anyway.

Also considering the various features you've polymorphed onto yourself that were fully functional, why CAN'T they produce milk?

>>744307
> Clarify Vote
Keep boobs as they are, expand or modify for lactation if you can Mr. Ilan.

Honestly, I think Ceridwen should research this. Not just for sexual reasons but because her tits are LITERALLY a side-effect of conflicting magic systems. Maybe increasing their size will relieve pressure on her dragon magic? Or maybe that would be the milk.

Reduce just a little to see how it feel. You will have another chance to change them in a year during your next snake groping session.

The important thing is you milk this opportunity for all you can.

But, have Mr.Ilan shrink them. For science.

>>744297
Ask Mr. Ilan to leave it be for now You kind of want to learn Life-magic so you can handle it yourself actually.
this is quite important, and from the sounds of it, might even synergize with your polymorphic speciality to some degree

Hmm. Keep them the same for now.

And, I think ask him to reinforce his magic. In your long Dragony-life there will be a time to cast off these chains, but probably after you've grown into your power more. Going out with a Dragon-Rider could put you in pretty close contact with other Dragon-Riders, and an ill-timed leak might lead to a lot of problems.

Keep them as is,

have him reinforce.

A once in a lifetime opportunity! And you want to waste it by making them smaller! Unbelievable!
Enhance knockers! Or at least keep them as is!

And let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic.

>>744314

Keep boobs, reinforce the magic.

Keep boobs because, well. They're you, warts (hem) and all. As for reinforcing the magic, don't be quick to give up on a 'free' 'normal' existence. You're still young and have got lots to experience that you wouldn't be able to easily do as a full-on dragon. Plus, there's the issue of Skif's parents.

keep them as is and Ask Mr. Ilan to leave it be for now

I think learning life magic yourself would be a good idea then you could fix and break down the magic at your own discretion. Plus if something unfortunate should happen to Mr. Ilan, especially in front of the Cliche Tree, that will be one less concern to have.

Keep them the same for now... Or enhance them

Ask Mr. Ilan to leave it be for now

Keep them as is, undecided on the magic thing, but we should ask about life magic anyway. We may encounter situations where we would need to patch up the magic or if we encounter a absolute worst case, remove it for the power boost.

Keep tits as is, but ask if he can add wings because what good is a dragon that can't fly?

Keep them as is
Leave it Be
Even with a huge magic pool we prolly can't legitimately run around poly-morphed forever. At least not until our poly-morph skill is truly transcendent or we learn life magic ourselves.
Speaking of which.
Ask if he can teach you Life Magic.

>>744337
what he said

>>744297
Keep them as-is.
Also,
Ask Mr. Ilan to remove his magic from you entirely.

Because once you do the Friendship Ritual with skif(which won't mess with the life magic anymore), you won't be bothered by other dragon riders, and you'll be a FUCKING DRAGON. You might need a bigger room though.

Oh, if by chance the vote winds up keeping your form the way it is, ask Ilan if he can alter the magic so that your shapeshifting can access your dragon form easily. It's currently way more expensive than other shapes.

Keep as is(or better!) Not having to spend mana on "appearances" for romance purposes increases mana efficiency, and using it instead in the (rare) situations you need to reduce them will totally not lead to hilarity when you suddenly run out!

Ask Mr. Ilan to leave it be for now. Learning the forbidden arts and performing a ritual despite his instructions builds character!

Don't you dare fuck with those tits, that's Skifs job.

And ask if we would be able to hide our magic and maintain this form if our magic got loose, if yes then leave the magic be, if no reinforce it till we're better trained with it.

Let those hooters be.

>Keep them as-is. This is the body you're used to, and Skif loves them.
Look, it doesn't matter that I got this way through weird magic coincidences instead of weird genetic coincidences. This is still me, and I don't want to be anyone different. (Even if this form is unnatural, and if if the dragon inside is a real me, this is a real me too).

I just wanted to know why.

>second choice- write in
Instead of his just reinforcing his magic (or leaving it alone, or removing it), is there any way you could cooperate?

Like, as I understand it, the whole problem is your dragon-stuff is fighting what he did. Agreeing to and going along with anything he did wasn't an option as a baby, but now it should be. So maybe your could end up with something a little more stable, and/or flexible? (So it didn't fight you to assume dragon form).

If he can't work with you at all, I would accept a reinforcement, for now.

>"...I would also avoid any rituals."
And what if you're planning to do one anyways?

You should share our plan of doing the original ritual at some point in the future, and see about discussing compatibility with his magic, and/or if his spell needs to be edited to accommodate this.

BY THE WAY who the heck are my parents

>>744361
Birth parents; you know who your parents are. (Oh wait, you weren't born then. Hatch parents? Um, wait, you hatched after you were given to your parents. Egg parents? Lay parents? This non-mammalian biology is messing up all my terminology)!

>>744362
Biological parents.

Keep them as-is.

Ceri, I know you have 4th wall breaking powers, so that means you can see what's in that bubble above Mr. Ilan's head! If you let him shrink your boobs, he's going to make the rest of you fat! It's not worth it! Keep them as-is!

Let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic.

This for reasons listed here. >>744298

>"...I would also avoid any rituals."
Hey, wait a minute! We never told him about Skif's family yet! That means he knows that Skif's parents are Dragon Riders! Has he always known?! Why didn't he try to keep you away from them if he knew?! We must know these things!

Also, you should explain it's the original good ritual and not the bad slave making ritual.

Break away from the norm and shrink them! I've seen many knockers get enhanced, but I've yet to see any knockers get reduced.

>>744393
You obviously haven't read the first thread for this quest.

Keep them as is for now, it would be strange/suspicious for them to abruptly change. Remember, it's not paranoia if they actually are out to get you.

For the reinforcement, try cooperation as per >>744359

Keep them as-is.
Let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic.

>>744340
This.

also, enhance knockers

Keep boobs; They are a part of you. I don't think they are too large and unlike some voices here I think asking to be larger is even less than just impractical...

I would ask him to leave it as is. Honestly, you are a dragon. Given time, you will eventually reveal yourself. You will finally get to be the actual you! if you are taught life magic you can manage it yourself and will be able to choose when you want to finally be you.

>>744361

Also this! I am sure you love your parents, but I imagine you are curious as much as I am! Also, why where you given up? Isn't it odd that a dragon would be brought out here if it was so dangerous for you? And where are the other dragons anyways?

>>744297
Keep them as-is, and leave it be.

Ask him to teach you enough Life Magic that you can control it yourself.

keep and reinforce. Honestly, is not like we can't remove it later even if reinforced, it might take longer is all, but having it wear off could be extremely dangerous. Come on guys I don't want Ceri to die.

Shrink them down one size, still attractive but not in the way. Leave it be we should learn all magic including life.

>>744297
Keep them as-is
Let Mr. Ilan reinforce his magic
Ask him to teach you Life-magic

Ceridwen 2016/08/28(Sun)12:38 No. 744868 ID: 395c02
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"How much would you shrink them, anyway?" you ask. "Just curious."

"I couldn't say for sure without doing it, but I could maybe make them 20% smaller? There's only so much I can do to fight against your magic, after all."

"Hmm. No, I think I will decline the offer. If this is the shape my dragon self chose for me, then it must be a reflection of who I am."

Besides, you've already gathered a nice collection of comfortable bras, and you'd hate to have to start over. The stores around here max out at C-cups, so it sounds like you'd still have to special-order them.

With that in mind, maybe the reason female mammals stare at you is because they're jealous?? (CONFIDENCE+?)

They'd have a hard time if they were this busty, though. It is only due to your DRAGON BACK and DRAGON SHOULDERS that you can easily handle the extra weight.

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"I stand by your decision either way," Skif says. "I just want you to be happy with who you are."

"You say that, but you seem awfully pleased with what I chose."

"I'm just happy you made a choice! For yourself!"

"You're literally hugging them."

"Well, I mean, it's also a choice I firmly believe in."

"Yeah, I bet. Now come on, I have other things to discuss with Mr. Ilan."

"So comfy tho~"

You bap Skif on the shoulder, and he begrudgingly lets you go. You reequip yourself with proper support.

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"While we're inexplicably focused on this one specific thing when there's so many more important things to talk about, you said these things can't produce milk. Um... could they be made to?" you ask.

"Hmm? Why would you want that?"

"To... feed my children?"

"Even if that form was capable of producing offspring, they would be lizard children-- they're able to eat insects the moment they hatch. Milk is something only mammals require."

He stares off into space, as if lost in thought. "...Still, I suppose it's possible. The added functionality would increase the size of your breasts, though."

You're not entirely sure why you're even entertaining this line of thinking about a justified MILK stat!

"I'll... keep that in mind," you say.

"Right. Now then, we need to do something about your leaking magic. Close your eyes and let me--"

"Actually, I was wondering if there was a way to make my magic more cooperative. Isn't there a way to stop it from actively fighting its bindings?"

"Hmm? Oh, no, I'm afraid that's not possible. An unfortunate side-effect of containing your draconic magic your whole life is that you've never learned how to control it. You would only succeed in releasing an intense amount of power without the knowledge or strength to contain it. It'd be... catastrophic."

"Then why not teach me life-magic? Let me be in control of my own destiny?"

"It's an illegal art."

"A little late for that now, isn't it?"

He flicks out his tongue. "Hmm. Fair enough. But it took a lifetime of study for me to reach this point, and I have only barely scratched the surface. I'm afraid I don't have enough years left to pass this knowledge to you. There's also the problem that, and I mean this as delicately as possible, your non-draconic mortal magic is far too weak for this."

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"But I'm like the best magic user around! Just look at those stats!"

"They are very nice stats. You've been making good use of my gifts. With more study, you could easily become one of the most powerful mortal wizards."

He rubs his snake-chin with a tendril. "And once you did, you'd still lack the strength. That's how powerful a dragon's magic is. Ironically, the best way you'd be able to contain your power would be to use that very power to contain itself. But since unleashing it is beyond dangerous, it's best you let me contain it for you."

"But you're not going to live forever. You said so yourself. If you need to keep reinforcing the seal, what happens to me when you die?"

He stares at you in silence.

"...I don't know."


Your mind fills with questions you want to ask, things you want to say. Ideas for getting around the problems you face. You can't even form a coherent list to decide from, so you will simply have to say or do whatever comes to mind.


(Please suggest a question, statement, or action)

Learn the theory of life magic, even if you're not able to practice it yet. Try to reduce the life magic's strength such that the release of your dragon magic will be as non-violent as possible. For instance, enhancing knockers should help appease your dragon magic!

Since Mr. Ilan's departure is an eventuality, your concealment must transition to your own dragon magics, and your protection to the original rider ritual with Skif. Ilan should use the time left to work on these, not maintaining the status quo until it is sustainable no longer!

>>744871
Okay, ask who taught him life magic. If you can't learn from him, learn from his teacher. Also it sounds like you need to learn how to contain your draconic magic, so you need to talk to a real dragon about it! Ask him for a referral to the dragon friends he obviously has.

ALSO YOU FORGOT TO ASK ABOUT THE RITUAL

>>744880
You should definitely ask about the ritual and get the info from someone who knows all about ancient and completely illegal magic.

Also, that dark blotch on your stat screen looks like a giant magical eye. If it opens, you'll probably turn into a giant monster, then explode. You're definitely going to need to learn containment magic from Ilan, if only to figure out how to better channel your powers towards non-self-destructive means.

>You're not entirely sure why you're even entertaining this line of thinking about a justified MILK stat!

For money! Come on, Ceri, using body parts for magical reagents is one of the basic aspects of wizardry. The bones, blood, teeth and so on of magical creatures are all extremely valuable! You could take out some of your blood now and then to sell, but milk would be much easier. Think of what money could do, Ceridwen! Good college, for you and Skif, so you can stay together during your further education! Comfortable parents, your dad wouldn't have to work to exhaustion any more! Nice house, with personal gym! Pretty dresses! Suits to dress up Skif in, to show him off! And besides, what kind of dragon can you be if you aren't ridiculously wealthy?

Besides, your dragon magic was the part of you that made those boobs, right? As an outlet? If you linked your magic in better with them, if you opened up and directed that link between your dragon magic and your boobs, so you made it do the work of producing milk... then it would relieve some of the pressure of the magic inside you, make the milk itself magical with who knows what great effects, and it would mean there'd be a pool of your dragon magic sitting in your normal body, that you would probably then be able to draw from, and get practice using it? You could train your dragon magic control just by practicing increasing and decreasing the milk production. So, suggest all that to Mr. Ilan, please.

Or if you don't want to follow my great advice, then at least ask him about the possibility of adding reinforcement around that hole you already have in your block, or about partially reinforcing you and then you coming back every time your dragon magic leaks out again. It'll be more trouble for you and him, you'd have to visit him more often and he'd have to bother with you more, but if you keep having small dragon-magic leaks like you've been having and just tidying up after them, you should gradually start learning some sort of control. And then maybe you'd manage enough skill in time for you to learn.

ask if there would be any signs that our dragon magic is about to brake free that would let us know before the explosion of magic comes rushing out. I mean yeah we could just have it renewed but worse case scenario like we're really far away and we're not sure if it would last long enough to be renewed I would like to know ahead of time so we could go out to the middle of nowhere and not nuke have of whatever city or town we're walking through at the time.

Also if we do somehow go full dragon what should we do, because I feel like we were changed for a reason... also why did we have to hide our dragon heritage and why aren't we living with our biological parents? I mean our mom and dad are fucking awesome but still what lead us to living with them in the first place?

>>744871
I know something reasonable like having him leave you notes or such will come to mind, but frankly his words make it clear that your current situation is a time bomb, very possibly in a literal way.
Mr Ilan said it himself, he won't be around forever to push the timer back, you need a controlled environment, a teacher and experience. You need to be able to protect yourself and those around you from anything your heritage brings your way...

I think you might need a Dragon.

Then teach me just enough Life Magic so I mght continue its study an my own... And Get me in touch with someone who I can learn Dragon magic from. Maybe my Biological parents? Oooh! Biological parents! What are they like? Are they Cool? Scary? Big? Still alive? Tell meeeeee.

>>744871
"How can I learn how to use my Draconic magic safely? I'm going to need to control myself at some point, and I might need it someday. How can I practice something that's locked away, without completely unlocking it? Is there any way you can leave me a way to access it, for practice and for dire emergencies?"

"Where could I learn more about dragons and draconic magic?"

"Are there other dragons around? Are my...dragon birth parents still around?"

"Where did you learn Life Magic? Even if I can't learn it right away, I'm going to be around a long time, and I intend to learn everything."

"Are there any magical ways of transferring knowledge?"

"Can you tell me what you can about exactly what you did? I won't understand the details yet, since I don't know Life Magic, but in case I ever find another source of information, I'd like to know the right terms."

Then, talk to him about the original ritual. He might have assumed we meant the perverted version, and he may or may not know about the original. Maybe the original can help us achieve more control and balance? Ask him for help analyzing the original ritual, and how it would interact with what he's done.

Let's fully explore that before going on. If we can use that ritual to help, then go with that. If not, then as a backup plan, have him reinforce the magic for now, without completely locking away our access in case of emergencies.

>>744871
Can you adapt your seal to let a tiny bit of dragon power out? So it has a release valve, instead of having to break through your spell.

If I had a trickle of power to work with, I could start learning how to control it. Then, maybe, a long term solution where I control and regulate my own magic is possible.

>lifetime
Not to be rude, but since my ability to live a normal life is now tied to yours... how much longer do you expect to live?

Wait if you have life magic, why would you even die. Can't you like, treat the changes in your body due to aging?

>ALSO YOU FORGOT TO ASK ABOUT THE RITUAL
Yes, we'd already decided that doing the ritual was something you wanted to do. Accommodating his seal to work with that, or adapting the ritual to be okay with the seal, are important considerations.

Also, be nice to know if you did the old friend-style ritual if it would "feel" the same to other dragon riders as the newer slave-style ritual.

>>744871
>>744036
> And in the course of asking about the Life Magic, specifically mention what happened to us when we almost drowned, and what happened to us and Skif much more recently. Get Skif to explain what it felt like from his side, too. We want to know exactly what he did, what effects it has, why it reacted like that, and (after we get through all of that) how it might interact with an ancient dragon bonding ritual, and with the large amount of sex we plan on having.

Also this.

"The heck? There has to be SOMETHING that can be done! Some set of skills, some quest, some magical macguffin of an item, some ritual, something, or some set or mix of the above, that will let me not inevitably die when the magic breaks. Something that is some crazy weird long-shot! So, what is it? Also, there's this ritual Skif and I were thinking of doing, the original, pure dragon friendship ritual, that we rediscovered. And did you know his parents were Dragon Riders?"

>>744871
We should still ask him about the BFF Ritual. Perhaps some can be dissipated though Skif.

ADD MILK

We will want to learn life magic eventually if we don't want to spend half of our life hiding from non-dragons, so we should get started now.

Also, what kind of catastrophic is he talking about with letting the dragon magic out. Turning into a dragon and going berserk for a while catastrophic or spontaneously exploding catastrophic? If its more like the former we will want to get some idea of how we could prepare for that sort of thing (like how far away from anyone else we would need to be and for how long).

Ask him if he could at least teach you the theory behind life magic so that when you (apparently inevitably) explode into dragon you'll at least have a chance of controlling it. Ask him where you could learn life magic if not from him.

Also, >>745048

No milk! Unless you also reduce your boobs. Gotta keep them around the same size.

>>745048
Hm...

1) Nipples must open up to reveal insides of breasts.
2) Breast tissue is now spongy tissue.
3) Internal muscles inside breasts.

Try this out with your polymorph abilities and see if it feels good. Heck, why not add ice cream?

... Okay but seriously, who were Ceridwen's parents and why exactly is the "Friendship" Ritual a horrible idea/

Ask why he did all of this in the first place. Why your parents didn't raised you? Why you had to be hidden among the mortals? What will happen if you got found?

No. More. Milk. Stat. Ask about the ritual and why it would be bad, and also ask if someone ELSE could try to reverse it.

Really though, you want to let him keep suppressing you. But ask if there's some way you could let a bit leak out INTENTIONALLY. After all, you can't control dragon magic like he said, and you're already experiencing some. The best case scenario is quietly learning how to control a small bit of dragon magic at a time until one day there's no suppression and you're fully a dragon who can look like not-a-dragon.

SWEET CRYSTAL DRAGON JESUS NO MILK.

NO GOD, NO.

MILK IS LOVE MILK IS LIFE! But in all seriousness we should set up a way for us to call him away from cliche tree so we can go on ADVENTURE.

>>745200
TAKE NOT OUR REFRACTIVE SAVIOUR'S NAME IN VAIN!

but otherwise yeah guys let's drop the milk thing, it doesn't make sense and wouldn't have any benefit even if it did.

Sure, give Ceridwen the option to lactate if she so wishes, more options are good. Although I'd prefer having more control over it than it just being an arbitrary stat, to avoid it having too much of a presence. If that's not possible, then I vote against lactation.

+1 to adding milk stat and whatever the fuck Kome suggested because it causes CAPS LOCK.

No milk. Ask about the ritual.

Can we shut up about milk already? Also, venom would also do the 'can sell for money' thing better, right?

B-but the milk!

I just... am reaaaallly getting annoyed with the Milk stuff..

veto milk

Add milk!

Add milk!

>>745118
... Point, if we can just polymorph to lactate whenever we want, why would we want to do it naturally??? That's just a big hassle. No milk (until we want it).

Please no milk...

>>744871
milk stat is go

Milk ftw
But seriously the fuck comrades this derailment...

Forget Mr. Ilan's death (and not just because it's morbid to think about); I'm concerned that you might run into issues before that. I'm reasonably sure that dragons live substantially longer than other creatures, and your dragon magic is already making a nice crack in your stat screen even though you're a whelp by draconic standards. Isn't it likely to keep pushing with an increasing amount of force if you and Mr. Ilan just try to keep it contained? If unleashing it in that sort of circumstance is as catastrophic as he claims, I feel like the two of you might need to work out a better long-term plan before it happens anyway. Surely in the last two decades he's given it some thought!

>>745256
Exactly. We need to understand what happened the two times it has broken through and done something: when we almost drowned, and yesterday.

>>745237
This. Not something we need to do naturally, and certainly not something to spend precious and challenging Life Magic on.

This is going to stray into some multi-boob territory that's going to make me lactose intolerant I swear.

>>745298
Multi-Milk?

>>745298
We can get our Martian on at any time with polymorphy.

Think about this. By continuing to restrain your magic and not being willing to help you understand, and more importantly, take control of it, he's just grooming a ticking /timebomb/ that will go off some time after he dies. You need to learn to control this draconic magic at some point, from him or someone else.

To be honest, i just think a bunch of people, including me, want the milk stat so Ceri gets even bigger jugs than she already has.

More milk!

>>744869
Geez, Ceri, quit letting Skif put his pointy face against your boobs, it hurts every time those little spikes poke you! >_<

Ask Mr. Ilan if knew about Skif's family. And if he did, why didn't he try to keep you away from them in case they found out or in case Skif wasn't as nice as he is now?

>Milk stat?
No, milk stat.

However, I think you should keep drinking milk. Gotta, help those dragon bones grow big and strong!

geeze. her boobs are fine. leave them alone

>>745323

Ugh, can we not do the milk? Keep this serious?

Well, if not milk then she should inquire about selling her body parts anyway.

The ones that grow back, of course.

>>745419
>porn quest
>serious
Wrong thread m80.

Leave her breasts alone. Dragons don't need milk.

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....

You weren't aware we were holding a vote on this milk thing.

It is extremely unlikely that dragon milk would command some kind of high price. Problem the first: Dragons don't make milk. There's no research or knowledge on it, and thus no reason for anyone to think it's worth anything. Even if you started said research, it could take years for any potential uses to be uncovered, much less made widely known.

Problem the second: How do you convince potential buyers that the liquid you possess is actually dragon milk without revealing you're a dragon? Oh, I know someone. They're uh, a friend. This is totally their milk. Dragon milk. Given all the anti-dragon sentiment, it simply isn't an excuse that would fly.

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"Just give it up, lady. There's no reasoning with them."

G-agh!?

"Who... or what... are you!?" You demand.

"You made the unfortunate mistake of entertaining the thought of filling those voluptuous melons with milk, and now they've latched onto the idea like babies on a... well, you see where I'm going with this."

"You-- Do you even belong in this world?"

"Technically I have my own thing to be in, but that isn't starting back up for another week. At least, it better be. Don't think I won't come out there and Tozol you if it doesn't!"

oh geez

"Who are you talking to? Why does this feel so meta?"

"Look, this is what I do. Also I took a wrong turn on the way out of the graveyard. Don't worry about it."

"None of what you say makes any sense!"

"Stop worrying about it. As for this milk thing, it's too late to ignore it, so just do what I did. Make a decision, stand your ground, then if they keep complaining, maybe you're suddenly flat as a board!"

Is that really how it went? "Even if I wanted to, Mr. Ilan said I could only--"

"Poppycock! What do the laws of the universe matter to people like us? If they piss us off, we change the very foundation of the world to put them in their place! Nothing wrong with a good old-fashioned retcon. Even if you can't do it, I'd bet my third tail that a CERTAIN, GODLIKE BEING would ensure that any milk you produce is completely and utterly useless!"

"Oh... kay? I'll... keep that in mind?"

"Atta girl! By the way, when are you going to fuck that cute galeacoma boy again? I mean, I'll take him if you're not going to use him."

"T-that--! Get out of here! Shoo! Put that wall back up before you leave!"

"Fiiiiiiiiine. See you guys in a week~!" She says, back-flipping through the portal as it closes behind her.



what the shit was that all about.

You look to Mr. Ilan and Skif. They're still looking at you, as if waiting for you to say something.

Did any of that actually happen...?

Ceridwen 2016/08/31(Wed)10:47 No. 745441 ID: 395c02
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Right. Focus.

If that crazy lady is right, it means DRAGON MILK would serve no purpose. The laws of the universe would conspire to ensure that it'd never, ever be capable of helping anyone do anything in any situation. You'd even be unable to feed your would-be children with it-- their reptilian bodies wouldn't be able to digest it!

No, you think it's best you leave your body alone. There's little to gain from making your bust (semi-)permanently larger. It's not like people can stare even more than they already do. The advantages simply don't outweigh the downsides. Besides, your hefty G-cups are often drawn too small as-is! Even if you did make them bigger, you get the feeling they'd be drawn the exact same way.

This body is you, your default. Messing with the size and shape of things is what POLYMORPHISM is for!

You are going to ignore any further mention of DRAGON MILK or any kind of MILK STAT. You hope it doesn't come down to listening to that lunatic and wielding a flat chest for a while!

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You get back to the plot.

"Mr. Ilan, what if we adapted the seal to let only a little of my power leak out? Maybe I could learn to control it that way."

"I'm afraid I lack the finesse for that to be remotely safe, my child. My life is simply too short for that level of mastery."

"Why aren't you immortal, anyway? Can't you use LIFE-MAGIC to undo the changes caused by age?"

He shakes his head. "Nothing lasts forever, Ceridwen. Over time my magic will weaken, and even the power of LIFE-MAGIC isn't enough to stop that. I can keep my body strong, but eventually my magic will burn out, and I will age and die."

"Can't you, I don't know, rewrite your code so you stop aging? You could live a long, albeit magic-less life."

"There's no way to dig that deeply into our code. At least, none that is available to a mortal such as I. Whatever it is that ages us, it's simply too deeply ingrained to be undone."

"I see. But, it sounds like you could still live a really really long time! Way longer than me, probably!"

He... smiles? "My child, I don't think you realize how long I've been alive, or how long a Dragon's lifespan is."

You scratch your chin in thought. "Well... what about Skif? Wouldn't the ritual--"

"Don't allow them to do that tainted ritual, child. It would only enslave you."

"It's not like that!"

You hastily explain to him about your discoveries about the ORIGINAL DRAGON FRIENDSHIP RITUAL.

Mr. Ilan is silent for a while, as if chewing on your words. "...You've really done your research on this."

"Yes. Is it possible? Could that be used to make my power easier to control?"

"I have to confess ignorance here. I don't know enough about that ancient ritual to makes guesses about what would happen if you tried it." Mr. Ilan looks towards Skif. "And you helped her learn all this?"

"Y-yes," Skif says.

"I see. Then you must truly have no desire to enslave Ceridwen."

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Skif steps forward. "Of course not. I- I love Ceri. I want to help her, support her. I want to spread the message, steer my people to the old ways. They have to see that dragons were meant to be our closest friends, not our conquests."

Mr. Ilan places his tendrils atop Skif's shoulders. "I'm sorry. All this time, I thought... well, I was wrong about you. Unfortunately, the only ones who would know for sure what your ritual would accomplish would be..." he hesitates. "...Other dragons."

Your eyes brighten. "Then let's go talk to one! Maybe even my biological parents--"

His face darkens. "We cannot."

"Why? Why all this secrecy? Why can't I see them? Why can't I live with the other dragons? Tell me!"

He looks away.


"Tell me, Euia!"

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The air around you thickens.

"That... that's impossible. No mortal knows my first name."

He takes a step back.

"They couldn't have..."

"Stop it!" you shout. "Stop with the vagueness! Answer my question!"

"...There is a reason life-magic is forbidden, child. If one were sufficiently powerful and devoid of morality, they could do some truly horrifying things with it."

"You're implying my parents abused their power? What did they do?"

"Things that could never be forgiven. When they were found out, the high court of dragons sentenced them to nonexistence. Dragon law states that because of their actions, your life is also forfeit. For reasons I will never understand, the child must also pay for the actions of the parent."

"That's..."

"Most dragons would not hesitate to kill you if they discovered who you are. And, of course, the mortals have their own stigmas against dragons. In cases like this, it's hard to blame them. It is by the grace of our creators that my life-magic is capable of making it nearly impossible for mortals to know your secret."

"Why...? Why am I here, then?"

"I refused to let an innocent child die because of something you had no control over. I contacted a close friend who was, thankfully, willing to risk his own life to aid me in escaping the dragon lands with you in tow. I made my way to this town, far from any dragon-owned land, and left you with two loving parents. Though it meant never returning home, I chose that day to live in exile and watch over you."

"You sacrificed all that for me? I don't understand."

"Before you think me a saint, you should know that I had my own reasons for helping you. Despite all the sins your father carried, I felt an obligation to him. I owed him for all he's done for me."

Mr. Ilan looks over his tendrils.

"After all, he taught me everything I know."


You're not sure what to feel, or what to say. This is a lot of information to take in...

So you might not be able to visit the dragons for safety reasons, then.

But if their laws are strict and vindictive enough that just being related to the wrong person makes you worthy of death, surely there are some dragons out there who have also run afoul of them and are hiding out among the mortals? Dragons are powerfully magical, after all.

>>745444
Ceri, where did you pull "Euia" from?

Also ask to talk to his friend, then. That sounds like our only chance.

>>745444

Take a moment to consider the monumental debt you owe Mr. Ilan if all of this is true. Because of your dragon parents' crimes in the eye of dragon society, he turned his life around to save yours. Rather than being snuffed before hatching, you got to live. You got parents. An education. A boyfriend.

... so maybe it's time to throw him a bone and give up on the life-magic angle.

Although if he could introduce you to this friend of his and tell you a little more about what actually happened back then, so, if you're ever faced with discovery by dragons, you at least know what kind of sins you're getting in trouble/killed over, that'd be nice.

After all, sooner or later you'll have to face up to your draconic death-warrant legacy, and it'd be nice to be able to put some effort in having persuasive counterarguments in place.

>milk

Ok then, selling your blood it is. You can spare a pint or two now and again, right?

>Aging

Would you even have a proper dragon lifespan, with what's been done to you?

>Ritual

Well, we already wanted to seek out dragons that had been enslaved in this world, and free them. We can ask them about the original ritual. Or just fuck it and blindly do the original ritual anyway. The only reason we wanted to ask was in case the life magic tinkering would mess it up, and it looks like no-one would know that anyway! So we can just go and do the original ritual. For science. I mean magic.

>learning to use dragon power/life magic

Ok, so rebuilding it in a way that lets a little bit leak out constantly is out. How about just repeating what you've already done? Letting a lot burst out occasionally, then going back to fix it again? Basically the same plan as he's proposing to get reinforcement every few years, but he deliberately does a shoddy job and reinforces it, like, every few months, instead? The moments of leaking dragon power will start your training to handle it. It'll be harder and riskier but could still work.

Besides, has Mr. Ilan seen your D? You're getting a handle on things already! I mean it, really, he might be underestimating you, just the same way he was underestimating Skif. Tell him specifically about your moments of leaking dragon-power and how you coped with them.

It's possible that raising our D stat weakened the life magic. Instead of making it easier to control, we made it harder.

Ceri, where did you get the name from? Might you have some implanted memories written into your magic or soul? If so, accessing the skills implanted in you might be the way to get enough skill to do the changes needed before he dies...

I owe you a great debt of thanks then...

Still, this means your life magic is part of my fathers legacy. You Must teach me. To do otherwise would be to rob me of my own destiny!

>No mortal knows my first name.
>Dragon law states that because of their actions, your life is also forfeit. For reasons I will never understand, the child must also pay for the actions of the parent.
Uh, is the "going after the children" thing specific to life magic users? Is it possible that powerful life magic users might try to live on through their children in a rather literal sense?

...could... could you tell us about our original parents? You don't need to go into detail but could you at least give us the cliff notes of what they were like... and why they did what they did?

Actually hey, maybe you know his name because you inherited your parents' knowledge somehow.

Like... when you were with Skif, and your magic tried to combine with his. We speculated that there's a magic component to dragon mating, right? What if dragons magically combine and then pass on their knowledge to their children, imprinting it into them while they're in the egg? And it like, lies dormant in them, but gives them talents for things their parents had learned, and occasionally pops up as things randomly known, or gets uncovered at some point? That's probably why dragons can have "instinctive" magic at all, while mortals have to learn it by studying! Dragons inherit knowledge of how to use magic.

And this makes extra sense because then, an absurd rule about killing people's children is actually partially reasonable. Your parents had forbidden knowledge, therefore you have forbidden knowledge, Ceridwen.

>Even if you did make them bigger, you get the feeling they'd be drawn the exact same way.
This is good news. Now you can have your knockers enhanced without having to buy new bras! Science!

We must learn to be a master of disguise so we can keep our identity safe even if found by a dragon. I get the feeling polymorphy is like a pair of Groucho glasses to the keen senses of a dragon, so let's learn the magic of life itself.

Teach me my father's dark arts!

>>745441
Yes, you're you, everything else is silly transformations. You've got more than enough ego not to be insecure in your base form.

>"...You've really done your research on this."
Well, yeah. I wasn't about to do permanent, life altering magic on myself without looking into it and preparing! That's not something you do off the cuff, unless it's an emergency or you don't have a choice.

>"I have to confess ignorance here. I don't know enough about that ancient ritual to makes guesses about what would happen if you tried it."
Would you be willing to put your heads together with us? You're a lot more experienced a magic user than either of us are, and we could share your research, and you could share your expertise in what you know of your spell and whatever you picked up about dragon-ness when you used to live with them.

Doing a little more theory work with an experienced mage of a maybe relevant field before the ritual couldn't hurt.

>"That... that's impossible. No mortal knows my first name."
Hey, don't go implying you're more than mortal after that long speech about the limits of your ability to stretch your mortality.

>"...There is a reason life-magic is forbidden, child. If one were sufficiently powerful and devoid of morality, they could do some truly horrifying things with it."
That's dumb. That's true of literally any discipline, even non-magical ones.

>>745444
I don't suppose simply hiding my parentage from other dragons would be sufficient?

>I refused to let an innocent child die because of something you had no control over.
...how many more children die because there's no one willing to spirit them away? If what you're telling me is true, there's something even more important than the old rituals I have to teach the other dragons. A practice like that can't be allowed to continue.

>>745444
"...I have so many questions about the past, things I feel I should know, but right now I can't go forwards knowing that when your spell wears off, It's going to cause me to become some kind of magic bomb. If that wasn't bad enough, afterwards I'll have the physical body and magical power of a proper dragon and even though I'm used to new shaped and having lots of magic, it's more than that isn't it... I have a life here: family, friends. I'm not ready to give that up, never mind destroy it forever. There has to be something that can be done."

>>745478
>>745479
Both of these.

>>745444
Say, "Eek! Scary magic snake!" and then hide behind Skif.

>>745489
>I see. Then you must truly have no desire to enslave Ceridwen.
>I'm sorry. All this time, I thought... well, I was wrong about you.
Also, I really want to know why Mr. Ilan allowed Ceri to live here if he knew Skif and his family were Dragon Riders? That seems to be a very reckless thing for him to have done! Because honestly, Ceri got lucky in the fact that Skif is as nice as he is! Mr. Ilan got lucky too, cause he could've helped give Skif's family a new slave by complete accident! .....huh, I guess if you think about it, Skif actually saved Ceri from being a slave and saved Mr. Ilan from emotionally scarring himself from saving a baby dragon to only condemn it to a life of slavery.

If your biodad is still alive and not imprisoned then you should seek him out. He's probably the only dragon you'd be able to talk to without forfeiting your life, even if he is some kind of evil dragon mad scientist.

>>745478
>A practice like that can't be allowed to continue.
We may never end up in a position to do anything about that. All our life we've been quantifiably better than most other people at basically everything, but it's entirely likely that we'll turn out completely average by Draconic standards. This doesn't really change anything though, it just reaffirms our need to learn life magic and become a world-conquering overlord god-queen hero. It'd be good however, to learn exactly what timescale we should be expecting, how long is the average dragon's lifespan, how long is Mr.Ilan expected to live, how long do dragon riders live, and how old is our biological father.

Necromancy? Cool.

You were literally labeled guilty of association with Life-Magic before you were born, why stop now? Horrible as your birth parents had been, there must have been some reason why they threw their lives away - threw YOUR life away - to research necromancy.

If they found a threat to existence (which may explain that fracture in space-time which allowed the crazy lady to scream about the joys of milkless funbags at you), you may be one of the few people who can stop it. Progress in life magic and stop if you feel your sanity rotting, we all know you're too compassionate to break right off the bat.

... lol euphemism.

First,
>>745444
> "Things that could never be forgiven. When they were found out, the high court of dragons sentenced them to nonexistence. Dragon law states that because of their actions, your life is also forfeit. For reasons I will never understand, the child must also pay for the actions of the parent."

To Skif: "...So, join me in changing the screwed-up ways of two different species?"

Then talk to "Euia" about the two specific times that something seemed to break through the life magic (the near-drowning, and the pulling on our magic). Especially the latter; we need to know what happened there.

Finally:

>>745478
> Would you be willing to put your heads together with us? You're a lot more experienced a magic user than either of us are, and we could share your research, and you could share your expertise in what you know of your spell and whatever you picked up about dragon-ness when you used to live with them.

> Doing a little more theory work with an experienced mage of a maybe relevant field before the ritual couldn't hurt.

This, verbatim.

>>745500
>Necromancy
...what if that's an accurate descriptor of some applications of Life Magic?

What if Ceri's parents tied their souls to hers in a bid for immortality, and that's why her personality changes when her D stat is in use/increases?

I have a few questions. Will I live as long as a Dragon, and if so how long would that be exactly? If I'm going to live that long how exactly am I expected to keep myself living a normal life if I won't exactly be aging normally? Who was the person who helped you, and were they forced to go into exile as well.

Well that sucks. Fuck dragons too, I guess! Child murder is pretty much the definition of irredeemably evil.

>>745655
An admirable goal, but maybe we should work our way up to romancing dragons.

"Was my father... evil?"

>>745468

Huh. This might be pretty on the nose, actually.

>>745468
This is the most probable given what we know about dragons so far, and is the only logical reason for a rule that makes the sins of the father become the sins of the daughter.

Ceridwen 2016/09/03(Sat)14:56 No. 745890 ID: 395c02
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>Ceri, where did you pull "Euia" from? 
You... you don't know. Did Mr. Ilan unknowingly transfer the knowledge to you, or...

>Actually hey, maybe you know his name because you inherited your parents' knowledge somehow. 
Oh! "Is it possible I know your name because I inherited the knowledge from my parents?"

"Ah, erm. I'm afraid I couldn't say. This is the first I've seen of anything along this line. I guess it's within the realm of possibility... Dragon children do seem to learn rather quickly. And mating dragons do something with their magic. I'm not sure, but they almost combine their very essence when they mate? It's certainly possible that forces beyond my understanding allowed the passing of knowledge."

"About that..."

"Oh, don't worry. My seal should prevent it from happening to you. That's for the best-- your magic would likely kill anyone you mated with if it tried to 'meld' with them."

Argh! That raises further questions! But there's no way to ask without admitting to your teacher that you made love with Skif! He's a gross old man! You don't want him knowing about your sex life!

>Uh, is the "going after the children" thing specific to life magic users? Is it possible that powerful life magic users might try to live on through their children in a rather literal sense?
"Wait, does that mean I'm literally my parents!?"

"Worry not, my child. I'm pretty sure reincarnation is impossible."

"Pretty sure!? Maybe that's literally why they kill kids!"

"Ah... I... I never thought about it that way. But I never felt their presence when I was giving you a mortal body, so I think it's safe to say you are your own person in body and soul. probably"

"I heard that!"

"You certainly inherited their ears."

>Ok then, selling your blood it is. You can spare a pint or two now and again, right? 
Blood, scales... you could probably even cut off your horns and wait for them to grow back...

Augh, this is too weird, though! B-besides, selling parts of your body for money runs into the same difficulty of having to reveal what you are. Otherwise your horns and scales look just like a lizard's.

...It might not be impossible, and a dragon does need a bed of gold with which to lie the rest of the hoard... but you aren't sure how to solve that one big issue. Also, THIS ENTIRE LINE OF THINKING IS REALLY WEIRD.

>This is good news. Now you can have your knockers enhanced without having to buy new bras! Science!
You left them at...

F... fine, maybe you'll play around with this later. You don't want to change your body permanently, but what's the harm in using POLYMORPHISM to tease Skif a bit...~?

>Would you even have a proper dragon lifespan, with what's been done to you? 
"What is my life-span, anyway? Wouldn't this mortal body die long before a dragon would?"

Mr. Ilan shakes his snake-head. "I did consider that. The magic that contains your dragon self also feeds off it. You should be able to live nearly as long as a dragon would. I mean, even if I'm wrong about this, I imagine the worst that would happen is your mortal form failing and your dragon form taking over."

"So this is pretty much a ticking time bomb in any sense."

"Everything is destined to fade away, given enough time. But it is my hope that when the time comes, you will have gained the wisdom and knowledge to handle it. Or, it was the plan before we learned how weak my bindings really are."

Ceridwen 2016/09/03(Sat)14:56 No. 745891 ID: 395c02
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"Hmm. Could the leakage be related to my D?"

"what"

"My D stat! It grows whenever I do something dragon-y."

"you're really going with that phrasing?"

"Yes. What do you think?"

"I don't know what to think. It took me twenty years to gain a "Magical limbs" stat, but I know this wasn't my doing. Barely 18, and you've already made a new stat..."

He sighs. "It would be irresponsible of me not to teach you what I know at this point."

"Then, we can work on this together?"

"Yes... of course. But a dragon would be much better at this than I."

"What about your friend? Maybe he could teach me."

"Ah... I don't really want to ask this of him."

"There isn't a better option, is there?"

"Perhaps not. I... I'll do what I can. But it will take some time for me to sneak my way in and locate him. In the meantime, I should at least patch you up. It's a temporary solution, but you might be able to learn something on your own if I leave something for you to examine."

Ceridwen 2016/09/03(Sat)14:57 No. 745892 ID: 395c02
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"Now, close your eyes and clear your mind."

You feel a tingle. Mr. Ilan's magic must be making its way inside you.

You try to clear your head, but you can't stop thinking about all that transpired.

And one thing you have to ask about. "Hey, um. What were they like? My parents."

"They were brilliant people. Even by dragon standards. They wanted to improve mortals, create a legacy as great as the Creators of old."

"Messing with mortals... that was their crime?"

"Their crime was... creating a monster. Now, please, I need to concentrate. Ah, this D stat of yours... I think I can use it to our advantage."


He continues to explain:

Your D stat seems to increase whenever you do something that makes you feel "powerful" and/or "draconic". It's designed to fill quickly, and is currently linked to how strongly your dragon magic is able to break its bonds. If it ever filled up... No, this is much too dangerous.

He can change the stat to do something safer, and perhaps more useful to you. In fact, if he leaves it linked to your dragon magic, it might allow you to 'vent' excess power without weakening your bindings. Perhaps it could be unleashed-- a temporary super buff. But what would it do?

He leaves it to you to decide.


He could make it so unleashing your D temporarily allows you to enter 'dragon form' without using MP. This form would be superior to your POLYMORPH dragon form, as it is more pure. It could help you at a critical time, a time when your mortal magic might fail you. It's especially useful in situations that require great physical strength and/or endurance. Your dragon form is very hardy, and resists physical and magical damage. You'd also gain the ability to breathe FIRE, or perhaps WATER?

You also permanently gain these passive effects:
HP++
MP++
DRAGON FORM MP COST DOWN
Hmm? Okay, fine. BOTH DRAGON FORMS GAIN WINGS.


Given that Mr. Ilan would really rather you not reveal your draconic nature, he also muses about a second option: Temporarily increasing your physical stats. Unleashing your D would greatly increase your VIGOR, SPEED, and HP for a time. You'd be much tougher, and physical damage done to you would be reduced. It is perhaps not as powerful as an enhanced dragon form, but it'd be much easier to unleash this power without revealing your true nature to those around you. You might be able to defeat most foes in one punch??

You also gain these effects:
VIGOR++
SPEED++
HP++
APPEAL++ (Tuff and confident!)


Of course, it could always Enhance your magic for a time, greatly increasing what your spells are capable of and reducing their MP cost to nearly zero. For a few minutes you would be able to wield a power only seen by the highest of high wizards. You would also be briefly capable of casting FLAME, COLD, and ELECTRONIC spells. This could be useful in magical combat, as your current schools of magic are geared towards doing things indirectly.

You also gain these effects:
POLYMORPH++
INVISIBILITY+
PORTAL+
TELEPORT+
MP++
Your mortal body can gain DRAGON WINGS for no MP cost.


What will you choose?

DRAGON LIMIT
PHYSICAL LIMIT
MAGICAL LIMIT

>>745892
I like the idea of MAGICAL LIMIT.

Magical Limit Break. Ultimately, a dragon is feared for their great powers. Everything you're missing can be replicated with enough magic.

DRAGON LIMIT! RAISE THAT D! And come on how can anyone pass up DRAGON WINGS?!

Keep it as is. The act of simply choosing this should increase your D stat.

But, failing that,
DRAGON LIMIT.

One paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanch I mean PHYSICAL LIMIT

Physical Limit, let's break it all!

Lets go with Physical!

Augh, I want physical limit's appeal boost! I suppose polymorph boost could help polymorph's ability to simulate appeal boosts, though, so I guess I'll go with the Magical Limit. I assume the dragon wings your mortal form could make would actually be functional?

>selling parts of your body for money runs into the same difficulty of having to reveal what you are.

Well, Mr. Ilan already knows who and what you are, and he's a secret dragon child smuggler who happily learned to use forbidden magic! I'd bet he has some magical black market contacts. Blood looks like blood, and for the horns and scales, he could sell them powdered or something, or just offer a sample to be tested and prove it has that special dragon mojo in it.

Anyway, also tell Mr. Ilan that maybe if your parents' knowledge was imprinted on you, you'd learn life or dragon magic faster than he expects.

Also don't be a coward, Ceri, tell him you and Skif slept together and you noticed a thing. Just think of him like a doctor.

MAGIC LIMIT as ceridwen don't strike me as the kind of person to rip people apart with bare hands

>>745892

MAGICAL LIMIT

FREE WINGS SLINKO NIGHTMARE MODE LIMIT BREAK! I Mean Magic Limit Break.
Yeah.

The passive effects are just too good to pass up. Cer is built as a mage but with her current mastery her MP drains stupidly fast. More MP + better spell proficiency = actually usable magic.
I'd go for specialization and consistently reliable options over being a rounded but unspectacular generalist any day. And as appealing as the dragon option is, being unreliable with a sweet panic button is one of those things that only works in anime. It's just asking for trouble.

>>745892
Dammit, these are all so good.
on one hand being able to do some awesome fisticuffs abilities is the easiest to handwave with polymorphism, plus I'm fairly certain that Skif would swoon at the physical morph.
Magic would be flashy and it'd be easy to get inventive with the expanded toolkit (dammit I want lighting spells)...
Enter 'dragon form' without using MP Any situation dire enough to force you to use it would probably need all the advantages possible, not to mention we'd be able to pull some sick dragon+rider combos with Skif (not to mention that if the worst should happen, it could help prepare you for not having Mr. Ilan's spell on you)

>>745890
> "Oh, don't worry. My seal should prevent it from happening to you. That's for the best-- your magic would likely kill anyone you mated with if it tried to 'meld' with them."

> Argh! That raises further questions! But there's no way to ask without admitting to your teacher that you made love with Skif! He's a gross old man! You don't want him knowing about your sex life!

If you have any hope of having a sex life, and Skif continuing to have a life at all, you're going to have to get over your embarrassment and ask. (After you're done with the magic ritual you're in the middle of...)

Embrace it, take refuge in sheer audacity, and see if you can embarrass him (and make Skif blush) in the process. Put an arm around Skif, and ask Ilan how you might work around that particular problem with the large amount of sex you plan on having.

>>745922
>that particular problem
It's not a problem. We already did it once, and it was safe.

>>745892
Magical limit. Magic can do anything, you'll work the rest out over time. This will give you more breadth in your magic, as well as boosting the two forms of magic you're best at. And you get to have wings in your current form; that really tips it over the edge.

You already are a dragon; you'll find a way to access your "true" form safely. You're going to embrace your draconic nature as part of the bond ritual, anyway; let's see how that goes before deciding that we need to burn a powerful ability just to unleash the form that's already fighting to get free.

>>745923
It pulled on Skif exactly as Ilan said it might, and from what he said, we got lucky that we didn't hurt Skif. We don't want to do that again without knowing more about how to control it. For the cost of a bit of embarrassment we can learn something that helps us avoid hurting someone we love. The two don't even compare; we need to find out.

Magical Limit Break
With Polymorphism, our magical power can translate directly to physical power (or being-a-dragon-ness for that matter) as long as we have enough mana. A limit break that cuts mana costs to nearly nothing will ensure that we have do have enough mana for that, and also enough mana to make portals through which to punch and/or claw.
Magical limit breaks can also be used for things other than combat, like if we need to do crazy portal stuff. (Or maybe even to do something with life magic?)

I feel it would only ever be appropriate to use our D stat to turn into a dragon.

DRAGON LIMIT

Magical Limit

Magical Limit Break

As much as I want to sau Dragon, busting out the D all the time would be too conspicuous. We need to stay hidden for now.

Dagnabbit. All of these are good.

MAGICAL LIMIT IT IS.

Magic limit

>>745892
I'd like to go the route with the appeal, but the magic route is really good.

Maybe he can make it a multiple level stat? like a super meter in a fighting game! That way, the realler things got, the more severe you could pull out.

If not... I guess consider this a magic vote, even though that appeal is tempting.

Also, seconding the 'embarrass your boy toy' bit. This is obviously VITAL INFORMATION for your future romance horde! Very vital!

Physical limit!

MAGICAL LIMIT BREAK!!!!!

>>745907
>Also don't be a coward, Ceri, tell him you and Skif slept together and you noticed a thing. Just think of him like a doctor.
This could be important, however you should probably ask Skif if he wants to talk about it to Mr. Ilan first.

>>745908
>Ceridwen don't strike me as the kind of person to rip people apart with bare hands.
You'd be surprised at what someone would do if their loved ones were in danger. So, if her mom, her dad, or Skif were in danger and she needed to rip and tear in order to save them, then I'm pretty sure Ceri will rip and tear to save them.

>"Oh, don't worry. My seal should prevent it from happening to you. That's for the best-- your magic would likely kill anyone you mated with if it tried to 'meld' with them."
Um. About that. No it didn't. That is, the seal didn't stop it trying, and no one ended up dead either.

Choke down your embarrassment and just say it, implications of discussing sex with your teacher aside.

>"Yes... of course. But a dragon would be much better at this than I."
Except for the fact they'd all try to kill me, apparently. A homicidal teacher isn't better!

>other stuff
Ceri, you didn't ask if he'd be willing to put his head together with your ritual research anyways. Even if he's not had prior exposure, doing more theory work / showing the spell to a more experienced mage before finalizing it can't hurt.

>which limit break
Magic.

Magical Limit

MAGIC

Magic

And go ahead and ask the awkward question, with maximum confidence.

Think of a Dragon Limit as an ultimate Polymorphy limit, even more so than the general magic kind.

PHYSICAL LIMIT
We are One Punch Dragon
Besides we're already pretty good with magic so physical + magic would make us a fucking monster in combat and a beast in bed.
Also Slinko wouldn't have to draw wings
also dragon muscles.

>You would also be briefly capable of casting FLAME, COLD, and ELECTRONIC spells.
>ELECTRONIC spells.
We technowizard now!

Let's get the magical limit break.

>PHYSICAL LIMIT
because why not.

>>745892
MAGICAL GIRL TRANSFORMATION
Erm... I mean... MAGIC LIMIT.

Awww jeez these all sound awesome!

DRAGON WINGS WHENEVER BABY (MAGIC LIMITS WOO)

+1 vote for magic.

Magical Limit

Wooohoo magical limit! We are gonna be the archmage by the end of this! Magic creativity GO!

Also you'll be able to do the awesome thinking with portals when you do a magic limit break. Say, do you know where there is some sort of gamified training for portal utility and portal-based combat and crazy flinging shenanigans, for people who can do portals super-easily?

Also, what about those other sorts of magic that you'll have access to if you get the magic limit break? If you won't be able to practice them, you'll want to read up on the theory and find useful exercises that you can do to practice when you intentionally induce a magic limit break as a test!

Aaaaalllsooo the bipedal form is absolute shit for flight. Even if you can give yourself wings. What's the cheapest thing you can do to be semi-flight-plausible if you are getting wings for free?

>>745892
Summary as of this post:

5 Dragon Limit
6 Physical Limit
24 Magical Limit

Write-ins:

Many suggestions to go ahead and ask the awkward question, fearlessly:

>>745907
> Also don't be a coward, Ceri, tell him you and Skif slept together and you noticed a thing. Just think of him like a doctor.

>>745922
> If you have any hope of having a sex life, and Skif continuing to have a life at all, you're going to have to get over your embarrassment and ask. (After you're done with the magic ritual you're in the middle of...)
>
> Embrace it, take refuge in sheer audacity, and see if you can embarrass him (and make Skif blush) in the process. Put an arm around Skif, and ask Ilan how you might work around that particular problem with the large amount of sex you plan on having.

>>745935
> Also, seconding the 'embarrass your boy toy' bit. This is obviously VITAL INFORMATION for your future romance horde! Very vital!

>>745957
> >"Oh, don't worry. My seal should prevent it from happening to you. That's for the best-- your magic would likely kill anyone you mated with if it tried to 'meld' with them."
> Um. About that. No it didn't. That is, the seal didn't stop it trying, and no one ended up dead either.
>
> Choke down your embarrassment and just say it, implications of discussing sex with your teacher aside.

>>745970
> And go ahead and ask the awkward question, with maximum confidence.

One mention of checking with Skif first:

>>745944
> This could be important, however you should probably ask Skif if he wants to talk about it to Mr. Ilan first.

One reminder to specifically ask him for help researching the ritual:

>>745957
> Ceri, you didn't ask if he'd be willing to put his head together with your ritual research anyways. Even if he's not had prior exposure, doing more theory work / showing the spell to a more experienced mage before finalizing it can't hurt.

And a few questions about potential abilities associated with the magical limit:

>>745907
> I assume the dragon wings your mortal form could make would actually be functional?

>>746085
> Wooohoo magical limit! We are gonna be the archmage by the end of this! Magic creativity GO!
>
> Also you'll be able to do the awesome thinking with portals when you do a magic limit break. Say, do you know where there is some sort of gamified training for portal utility and portal-based combat and crazy flinging shenanigans, for people who can do portals super-easily?
>
> Also, what about those other sorts of magic that you'll have access to if you get the magic limit break? If you won't be able to practice them, you'll want to read up on the theory and find useful exercises that you can do to practice when you intentionally induce a magic limit break as a test!

>>746095
I suppose I would like to add in with the "Speaking of copulation" votes. Maybe add in that you're aware galeacoma are unique and might interact differently because of it.

>>746124
Indeed... if that weird magic thing that happened could possibly have been fatal it's really important to talk about if you plan to do any more sexing.

And you plan to.

>>746085
> Aaaaalllsooo the bipedal form is absolute shit for flight. Even if you can give yourself wings. What's the cheapest thing you can do to be semi-flight-plausible if you are getting wings for free?

Make yourself as light as possible, and polymorph limbs so they can be pulled in tightly against your body to make you aerodynamic.

But that assumes the wings aren't sufficiently large and powerful to fly in your default form. Seems like it'd be odd to get a set of wings that you can't use.

Of course, if they're powerful enough to fly in your otherwise unmodified form, and then you modify your form to make yourself lighter and more aerodynamic, you'll have incredibly powerful flight.

I feel like having free wings is a bit pointless if they aren't functional. Shapeshifting at all will cost about as much mana as shapeshifting into a flight-capable form, iirc.

Ceridwen 2016/09/05(Mon)09:47 No. 746218 ID: 395c02
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"Wings sound so cool! But they probably wouldn't work, huh..."

"What if I told you that despite what physics might tell you, your dragon form would gain full flight capabilities?"

!!!!!

"What about the normal-form wings?"

"You'd have limited flight capabilities. You'd need a good headwind or a higher starting point, but you could totally get up there."

!!!!!


If nothing else, it'd make it much safer to learn how to fly as a bird. If you ran out of MP, you could still glide to safety.

Still, wings aren't the only reason you're leaning MAGIC ENHANCEMENT, right...?

Nope, wings are definitely the only reason

>>746218

Wings were a cool bonus, but not the main reason for choosing magic. Being able to bust out arch-wizard level powers in case of dire need was. Some day something strong is going to pop up and think it can walk all over Ceridwen, and being able to prove it SO VERY WRONG is going to be satisfying as hell.

Although wings may have tipped the option over the edge in comparison to the other awesome options. And they were all awesome, really. That was a pretty hard choice, landslide vote or not.

If only there was some way to choose them all and simply rotate the primary bonuses according to need...

>>746228
Yep. Wings.

DRAGON LIMIT

As a voter for dragon limit, I have to say that wings were also my reason on that one. I think a bunch of us just really like wings.

Wings are not the only reason, no. For better or for worse, you have been focusing on using magic, intellect, and creativity to solve problems. The options that enable violence and brute force... they don't fit you. Further, this is an expansion on your focus, and takes you further along your chosen path of the archmage. The wings are a bonus -- the main benefit is the ability to make all your magic, including those you don't specialize in, be very cheap, and the access to the other types of magic. Also, ask specifically for the magical mechanism that enables flight. Is it some form of air magic innate to the wings? It'd be useful to learn to manipulate that consciously. After all, with strong enough magic, you can get the other benefits if you want if need be.

>>746218
Look you already like magic a lot, being better at it and being able to fly just makes things even better.

>>746218
> Still, wings aren't the only reason you're leaning MAGIC ENHANCEMENT, right...?

Definitely not, though gaining wings in our current form did make it a much easier decision. Without that, the decision would get tougher, but magic seems far more versatile, and we can always polymorph our "true" form for now (with our improved polymorphing and MP pool, even).

Plus, if our draconic nature is fighting containment regardless, then we'll likely end up getting access to it eventually; hopefully we'll have enough control by then to also maintain our current form.

Keeping my vote for magic.

>>746246
This, exactly.

>>746218
Sounds like we'll be able to fly, we just might need to do some strength training. We don't get flight muscles for free. We can glide or ride a thermal right away, and if we train enough we can get lift without that.

And in the meantime, we can always use a small amount of magic to assist: either polymorph lighter if we want to experience a standard takeoff, or just portal to a great height and skip the hard part. (Which our newly improved magic will make even easier.)

(Warning about using portals for height: do it in modest steps, avoid altitude sickness. Passing out several kilometers up could kill you.)

Not the main reason, which is becoming shojo as f more versatile while also investing in our strengths.

>>746218
What? No! That hardly even factored into it. We're improving our magic so we can make physics our bitch. Why else does anyone learn magic?

>>746218
Nah, it's because (lighting is awesome) learning how to better manipulate your magic is probably going to be the most important part of your immediate future, plus the versatility it gives when active looks like it could be incredible, with practice.

Suggestion 2016/09/05(Mon)14:29 No. 746315 ID: 3740b1

I think wings definitely skew it. Still vote physical.

>>746218
Nah, it's for making money so that you can sit on a pile of gold!

Think about it: Everyone thinks you're a lizard, you're good with magic, so that makes you a wizard, and with your enhanced magic, you'll learn COLD, which will let you cast blizzard. You can become a Lizard Wizard that casts Blizzard! And with that, you can sell Lizard Wizard Blizzards to everyone and earn money! You'll get a pile of gold to sleep on really quickly!

Hold up a minute I thought our true dragon form didn't have wing?
If that's true then where is he getting wings from? and if not true then what is up with that dragon form we have.
And is still say physical, we can hulk jump or fly in another form.
We have our whole lives to learn magic and magic we unlocked through study will be with us permanently rather then temporarily through some shortcut, and with physical, well the body can only be improved so much (where as magic can just keep improving) so this will be a literal limit breaker as it will allow us to go beyond the limits of our body and remember that it's not just our strength it's also our endurance, our ability to survive injury and our speed.
imagine unleashing a mountain shattering punch through a portal to several different assholes at once.

>>746331
It sounds like the dragon form doesn't normally have wings because it isn't "pure". Dragon Limit gives it wings, after all. Magic Limit seems to allow us to get the form right but not the inherent power.

>>746218
Nah, Magic Limit cuz Magic is like our thing, yo.

>>746218
Also, why Wings? Why not some Finns/Jellyfishtenrils and a way to breathe underwater? Does nobody here want to be Dragoncthulhu?

Yea! Why JUST wings? Aren't you a sea dragon? Surely a sea dragon would have access to flight and also diving into the water, like some sort of fish-eating diving bird? Wouldn't a sea dragon (or it's distant feral ancestors at least) hold the same ecological niche, except at the top of the food chain for that sort of thing? Being at home in the air as the water?

>>746399

Oooh! I know! Maybe they are wings with innate fluid (as in things that flow, not as in liquid) manipulation powers, to manipulate the flow of both water AND air around them and the rest of you, to help you swim and fly! That'd be awesome! Especially if that is some sort of magic you can learn to consciously control!

>>746333
Indeed.

Honestly, i hope we start looking like the krakenmonster from evolve.

Ceridwen 2016/09/06(Tue)14:31 No. 746574 ID: 395c02
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"Hey, um... before we begin..."

"I had technically-- you know what, it's fine. I guess I hadn't actually done anything yet. What is it, child?"

"Um... about what you said earlier..."

"Which part?"

"The. um."

"...."

"...."

"Yes?"

"I... may... "

Ceridwen 2016/09/06(Tue)14:31 No. 746575 ID: 395c02
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"i may have made love with Skif last night and my magic did that thing you said but it was actually fine for some reason because Skif also has magic that melded with it or something"

Skif lets out a high-pitched yelp.

Mr. Ilan glares at the two of you for an uncomfortable amount of time. "...I see."

"Y-you see!?" you ask, almost in a squeak.

"Well, it's none of my business what you choose to do with your body. You're very lucky that Skif is still alive."

"But what does it mean?"

"It means the galeacoma have a property I wasn't familiar with. I suppose it would make sense for a species that at one point in time had a 'friendship' ritual associated with them to have such an ability. It also leads credence to the theory that half the mortal species are the result of Rider/Dragon couplings. Given how ancient this 'proper' ritual is, it doesn't surprise me that they've forgotten they had a hidden magical power."

"S-so Skif is safe? I mean... i kind of intend to..."

"I don't need to know what your plans are. But worry not. Once I reinforce the seal, you should be safe to enjoy whatever... activities... please you. Your dragon magic won't be able to leak out so easily."

"R-right..." you are so, so desperate to change the subject. "A-also, don't get me wrong, I'm really really hype about wings and I want to enhance my magic, but aren't I a water dragon? We don't have wings, do we?"

"...Hmm?"

"I mean, my dragon form looks aquatic in nature, so I just assumed..."

"Ah. No, I suppose water dragons don't have wings. Are you saying you want something more in line with that?"

"Well... I..."

"Hrm. I haven't actually seen your dragon form. Would you mind showing me?"

Ceridwen 2016/09/06(Tue)14:32 No. 746576 ID: 395c02
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You oblige him.

"Ah, I see."

"Pretty neat, huh?"

"I'm increasingly surprised Skif is still alive."

"I-I didn't have sex with him in this form!"

"Yeah! She just blew me!"

"SKIF I WILL TURN THIS RELATIONSHIP AROUND AND LEAVE YOU ON THE CORNER OF PLATONIC STREET AND NEVERGETTINLAID LANE IF YOU DON'T BEHAVE."

Skif whimpers. "nooo i already spent my entire life on those roooaaaddsss i'll be gooood"

"Hmph. All right, then. Maybe I can find another way to punish you...~"

Mr. Ilan lets out a loud ahem. "WELL. I guess I'm mistaken, then. You just seem like the kind of person who would have tried it."

You shoot Skif a glance. "I might yet."

"...You really are Myra's daughter. Good luck, Skif."

"i'm scared but also really excited"


Mr. Ilan turns to you. "Anyway. I can give you wings regardless, or... I think I can present another option for you."

Ceridwen 2016/09/06(Tue)14:33 No. 746577 ID: 395c02
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You have chosen the MAGICAL LIMIT, with the following boosts:

POLYMORPH++
INVISIBILITY+
PORTAL+
TELEPORT+
MP++

Unleash D to greatly enhance magic for a time. FLAME, COLD, and ELECTRONIC magic can be used while boosted. MP consumption greatly reduced during this period.


Before the changes are made, there is a new option for you to decide on.

You can choose to Stick with DRAGON WINGS. These wings can be shown or hidden for no MP cost. You can slowly learn to fly with these! Why can such wings lift your relatively heavy, non-aerodynamic body? Dragon.

Alternately, you can choose to Obtain an AQUATIC FORM. You gain the ability to enable this form for no MP. This form greatly enhances your speed and agility while swimming. Your underwater vision and hearing are enhanced. This form has gills, allowing you to breathe while submerged. You can share oxygen with another, allowing them to stay underwater longer. Oxygen kisses~

You won't gain any wings, but your body will feel a little swifter. (SPEED+)


Boy, the chargen never stops, does it?

>>746577
AQUATIC FORM. Stay true to your nature.

I mean, free dragon wings. FREE DRAGON WINGS. How often are you ever going to be underwater? It does look kinda cool, but you can just polymorph if you wanna do underwater stuff ever.

Hmm. If we can only use flame / ice / electric magic during limit breaks, we're gonna be kind of bad at it, due to the abject lack of practice. We might be able to compensate to a certain degree with raw power, but we'll be suffering in the skill department. Probably means we won't be able to do anything fancy or requiring great precision with those anytime soon.

Unless we game the limit break to gain practice time. Or unless we do front end theory-work so you're more prepared to work with normally unavailable magical schools.

>>746575
So... if you'd had sex with anyone else you'd have killed them. That sure was a big risk to build in, considering the nature of this quest!

At least now it'll probably be fine. Until your seal weakens again.

>>746577
Get yourself some water wings. Flyyyyyy.

>Boy, the chargen never stops, does it?
Life is a chargen that finalizes when you're dead.

Aquatic form. Wings get in the way and while you might spend time up in the air, sure, you will want to be able to SURVIVE WITHOUT MAGIC underwater. If someone attacks you, you can just go under and not come up. Not many people are going to be able to touch you underwater.

Wings. We can already do aquatic stuff quite nicely and it doesn't come up that often anyway, whereas unassisted flight will open up so many doors for us. Specifically ones in the sky. Sky doors. Those exist.

Water foooooorrrrrmmmahhh

Well, if the assumption is that most dragons have wings, and aquatic dragons are a relative minority... we have this idea of going on a quest to find enslaved dragons and free them. We'll want to be able to meet them (and their riders) on their own turf. Though, we want to do that with Skif... Skif, you can fly, right? With those wings you have? If Skif can fly then he can carry us around in the air and we can take the aquatic form so that we can carry him around underwater. Double buddy carrying action. If he can't, then we should take wings.

By the way, both of those options specify "no mp cost". Does that mean we can still take the form we don't choose if we do spend mp for it?

>It also leads credence to the theory that half the mortal species are the result of Rider/Dragon couplings.

So... we can have children with non-dragons?

ceri water form is so much cuter though

>>746577
Why do you do this to usss!? Both options are so good! dammit Ceri you need the secrets of life magic for this kind of thing alone
You know, as magical as oxygen kisses and waterspeed sound, I think I'll stick with the wings option.
Learning to fly will probably be very useful alongside your regular abilities. plus swooping Skif off his feet would be awesome.

>I Like how Slink Drew the wing form further back and low detail to try and convince us not to pick it. The wing hate is strong in the Slink.

Slinko Torment Mode Wings

Hey, how about a COMPROMISE?
No wings in dragon form, but the option to pick between wings or aquatic form while bipedal?

OR
Free wings in dragon form, and aquatic form while bipedal?

Like I mean can we pick two out of three, here?

depends... did we ever actually learn how to swim? Because if so then I'm going with AQUATIC FORM

however if we don't know how to swim then it makes more sense to go with the wings.

>>746576
> "SKIF I WILL TURN THIS RELATIONSHIP AROUND AND LEAVE YOU ON THE CORNER OF PLATONIC STREET AND NEVERGETTINLAID LANE IF YOU DON'T BEHAVE."

We need to get that dragon anger in check. That was uncalled for. We just revealed a pile of uncomfortable details, but we're bothered by Skif doing the same?

We clearly need some "sorry we almost accidentally killed you with dragon sex magic" sex after this, to clear our heads.

>>746577
Wings, still. Flight is too awesome and versatile to pass up. Indefinite swimming would be awesome too, but flight seems more awesome.

>>746575
>"It means the galeacoma have a property I wasn't familiar with. I suppose it would make sense for a species that at one point in time had a 'friendship' ritual associated with them to have such an ability. It also leads credence to the theory that half the mortal species are the result of Rider/Dragon couplings. Given how ancient this 'proper' ritual is, it doesn't surprise me that they've forgotten they had a hidden magical power."

>>746591
>So... we can have children with non-dragons?

This is important, and we need to poke at it. On the one hand, yay, we can have children someday if we want to. On the other hand, we didn't do anything to prevent that last night. Can we ask Ilan, without too much visible panic in our voice, whether we need to worry about that? Are we...

So you've chosen the life of a technomancer; it's a dangerous road at first and a monotonously boring road soon after, but you'll never want for money and charisma will flow through you like the blood in your veins. A good choice, with our help.

> Mermaid or Harpy
Go with the wings. You can buy aquatic gear if you want to dive for lost treasure, but few stores offer jetpacks at affordable prices.

So... just out of curiosity is it electrical manipulation? Electronic manipulation? Manipulation of electrically-powered intricate technological devices? Software manipulation? Does it work on any device that uses boolean operations, regardless of the power source (fluids, electricity, magic?)

>>746613
Are there electronics to manipulate? I don't think we've established that...

AQUATIC FORM, let ocean man take you by the hand

Water form. If we need to fly, we can just transform into a bird.

We should also see if Skiff has any questions for Mr. Ilan. Maybe he has a good question (as long as it doesn't have anything to do with dragon sex)

>>746582

I totally already mentioned your first two paragraphs there; we need a way to train the magic types we will now enable, or at least go heavy in the theory and learning useful drills. ;)

Anyway, how about a compromise:

Biped form that can either be 'neutral', 'have wings' or 'have aquatic features', which, while they don't have any magic draw when enabled, require MP to switch between the three forms. And you don't get gills, but you DO get more efficient lungs with greater capacity, where you can hold your breath longer (like for dives), and can also manage high altitude more easily. And any air sharing is simply exhaling some of the not-yet-quite-stale air into someone. And BOTH of the forms specifically work by magically manipulating the fluids around you, though one is more optimized for gasses and the other liquids.

>>746643
Half the appeal of the aquatic form is the gills and underwater breathing; if all we get is fins, we can easily get that from either polymorphing or equipment.

>>746577
There's a lot more places to fly to than there are places to deep dive to, and scuba gear is cheaper than jetpacks.
WINGS!

Dragon Wings. Something is conspicuously absent from the water form, and I don't mean the wings.

Stick with DRAGON WINGS.

>>746713
Well duh! Of course her boobs are missing! Her aquatic form is to make her more streamlined so that she can go through the water at high speeds. Her boobs would've just slowed her down.

>>746680
And how many of them couldn't be reached with any one, or a combination of, Ceri's (now boosted) polymorph, portal or (just newly added) teleportation magic? Very few, if any, I'd wager. Flying would also risk drawing too much attention to Ceri. Such a non-aerodynamic form as hers would take major magic to keep airborne if it was anybody else, so her doing so so effortlessly would risk raising unwanted questions by anyone who sees her. And flying also wouldn't be something Ceri could share with Skif either. (That is, unless Slinko suddenly decides to include the source material on his species that says they can fly.) And there's also a whole world of things to discover beneath the surface and waves of lakes and seas. Like flooded city ruins, shipwrecks and sunken treasure! Gotta get that hoard somehow, right? So I say go with the AQUATIC FORM.

>"SKIF I WILL TURN THIS RELATIONSHIP AROUND AND LEAVE YOU ON THE CORNER OF PLATONIC STREET AND NEVERGETTINLAID LANE IF YOU DON'T BEHAVE."
Ceri, you just dropped info that was as much as, if not more, embarrassing to Skif with only a strangled yelp on his part, and yet when he did it you loudly threatened him and that's not right. Especially since he likely interpreted the conversation had steered into territory where saying that was acceptable. So apologize to Skif and vow to keep your dragon-y dominant attitude more in check from now on. Otherwise your relationship with him will potentially turn into something akin to what a doormat has with a boot, and you don't want that, right?

>>746577
I like Water Form.

Also, I echo the others on the us being too harsh on Skif there about personal detail reveal.

>>746725
I think the issue is he gave more details than were necessary.

>>746761
How do we know that? How would he know that? We hadn't yet said anything about what we did in dragon form, and it might well have been important. Or maybe he was freaking out about the idea of doing more with Ceri in her dragon form, and that exclamation was him backpedaling. (Or maybe he liked the idea.)

Either way, he didn't deserve us snapping at him like that for it. I'm wondering if being in dragon form gives us a shorter temper. Or maybe that's just an excuse.

>>746577
Aquatic form.
Flight honestly isn't terribly useful, particularly since we're trying very hard right now to not attract a bunch of unwanted attention. Also we'd be kind of vulnerable in the air, and I imagine the dragon-riders are pretty damn experienced when it comes to bringing down a flying dragon. Swimming isn't nearly as risky, and actually has some legitimate uses. Also imagine the underwater sex

Take aquatic form.