>>77843
Aha. Disabling CSS shows me these names you speak of, without the sanity-shattering pink.
Apparently I've also been Lady Twilight Sea, and Mystic Spice Island in this thread alone.

ConservativeDad 2013/11/20(Wed)16:59 No. 77850 ID: 097017
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>>77847
You might not have heard; I'm not a fan of smuttery.

>>77596
>>/quest/548996

>>77850

>Loki is referenced in two stanzas in Völuspá hin skamma, found within the poem Hyndluljóð. The first stanza notes that Loki produced "the wolf" with the jötunn Angrboða, that Loki himself gave birth to the horse Sleipnir by the stallion Svaðilfari, and that Loki (referred to as the "brother of Býleistr") thirdly gave birth to "the worst of all marvels".

...Either you're running the wrong quest, or you're a liar. I don't know you well enough to guess which.

CounselorMode Engaged Dr. Chaste Prudenstien 2013/11/20(Wed)17:48 No. 77856 ID: 097017
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Arright, the subject was bound to come back up sooner or later So now is about a good a time as any.

I don't have to cut from the same cloth to make the exact same outfit storytellers have been using since the dawn of time; I really just don't feel the obligation.

Figment's of human imagination are subjected to the flaws and character traits of their creators. The same wouldn't necessarily be true if gods actually existed. I mean, if these beings have managed to create a society stable enough to last a few hundred years without a upheaval major enough to usher a change in administration they'd do it by avoiding behaviors that contribute to societal decay--which includes excessive sexuality as a contributing variable.

I could rattle off the list of every theological, mythological and historical instance where sleeping around--through natural consequences--lead to disastrous results for people and community involved, but I'm saving that for a future story post but I'll give you the last sentence of the spiel:

"...So anyone who is responsible for the security and future of the next generation and chooses to treat the method of propagation for an entire species like a novelty is a big jackass in my book."

>>77853
It's nothing personal. Frankly I've become rather fond of your aloof and indomitable personality, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Anonymous 2013/11/20(Wed)17:58 No. 77859 ID: a8e65f
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>>77857
You've got a kinda backhanded way of putting it nicely.

Theo 2.0 2013/11/20(Wed)18:03 No. 77860 ID: 097017
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>>77859
It's called tough love. Deal with it.

I would find pony cooler if I didn't have a dynamic IP (and therefore a polymorphic pony). And if the template didn't break in huge threads.

>What did you have in mind?
Well, you've kind of got the Machiavellian or mad-scientist exploitative ways to enjoy ourself down. I was thinking we need a little more, say, Coyote thrown in there. Doings things merely because they're fun, or interesting, or for the pure joy of messing with someone or pulling a prank. There are countless ways we can use trickery and intellect to benefit ourself or crush our foes, but it's a little too direct to do all the time. We get to be capricious, playfully unpredictable. Not the cold fire- but the warm one that dances and laughs, and that you're never quite sure if it's going to burn you.

The best result is really to get things to the point that others can't really tell what our game is at any given point. And we helping them, having a bit of fun, messing with them, or secretly moving the pieces to further our long game? Or doing all at once.

tl;dr a little less evil chessmaster, with a little more magnificent bastard.

>>77861
except every time you've posted you show up with the same ID as Castle Dust... unless I've just been in a box and have had a conversation with just you.

As of yet, the castle has yet to crumble to dust, yes. But it will, eventually. I think my record for longest stable ID was a little over a month.

>>77856

>Gunnlöð was seduced by Odin, who according to the Prose Edda bargained three nights of sex for three sips of the mead and then tricked her, stealing all of it.

Hmm, one last try, to see if we've been talking past each other.

I'm not asking you to compete with Norman Mailer's corpse here. If you want to do a fade to black where porno music would be the appropriate background I would generally prefer that. The internet is not about to run out of porn, and I'm not part of the furry fandom that the local pornmongers seem to provide for anyway.
That said, I'd find it really lame if you're going to censor out fun bits of myth like Loki's bestiality mistake. Similarly, I would find a story about gods and goddesses with a focus on trickery would be crippled by a "PG-13" rating.
With that clarified: Will I find your story lame, and it's time to bail, or not?

Theo 2.0 2013/11/21(Thu)07:48 No. 77870 ID: 097017
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You know you can be a real pain in the butt sometimes, but there are the times where you just make my day.

Well first let me just say I'm glad I didn't lose you right there. Like Castledust's sharp ticker you and your breadth of knowledge is a valued member of this team; Sorry for underestimating you and thanks for sticking around.

Also, before I forget
>>77803
good question (despite the fact I sort of fed it to you)

>>77840
>>77841
>>77847
and all wonderful suggestions (with an exception youknowtheone)


>>77866
I've read the Edda in both poetic and prose, several translations each. I attend the local Ásatrú/Theodist forum where new and experienced followers of the Old Custom discuss their beliefs both practically and academically. I have myself have the same tribal heritage as these people I converse with (granted, its mixed with just about every other ethnicity of the world). I've gotten know these myths quite well and the mindset of the people who tell them. Rest assured your examples do not fall on deaf ears (or in this case, blind eyes).

Still, accepting that knowledge, I also can view this subject from the sociologist's, psychologist's and (child) psychotherapist's point of view and say with absolute frankness that if you're not careful playing with sex will mess you up. Sure, many in my profession as a whole likes to wave the subject off by saying it's at most a social nuisance when loves and friendships go sour, but I tend to subscribe to the theories and case studies that don't agree with the conventional wisdom of that assertion. I've seen it in other people I work with, I've seen it in kids growing up and I've seen it in myself; experience and observation tell me otherwise.

Anyway that's getting off topic and probably a good deal more than vain to wave around my credentials like some sort of victory flag--so don't feel bashful of reminding me of that fact; If my ego gets too big just poke it with a pin.

I'm sorry; addressing your point--sociologically/anthropologically speaking, the function of human sexuality is social unity (and yes, the character Unity may have something to do with that). It strengthens the bonds between the people involved and creates new ties between families. Now if someone were to treat those bonds and ties lightly and decided to be free with whom or how she shared that experience, its going to create a big frustrated knot of relationships. Seeing as how, once people take the relationship to the next level, there's an increase in how much the participants identify with each other. This leads to a sense of singularity, as though the other person were an extension of the self. Of course, when that extension of yourself starts doing the same thing with a bunch of other people without your knowledge or consent and you find out about it, you're going to get a little more than peeved that she valued your connection so cheaply. This leads to feelings of possessiveness, jealousy, betrayal and eventually lots and lots of DRAMA. It's like when a tool is used for the wrong purpose, like a woodsman using an sword to chop down a tree or a car mechanic using a finely-tuned and sensitive torque ratchet as a party noisemaker. Eventually the tool wears down over extended periods of misuse and eventually becomes broken and nonfunctional, except maybe for indulging in repetitive habitual behaviors.

Now, lets see. You're trying to haggle with me, but I'm not one to set aside my philosophy and principals for popularity... But that doesn't mean we can't find some middle ground that will content (if not satisfy) the both of us. Why don't I just approach this from the angle of what I will and won't do?


I WILL:

-Allow you to pursue or court whomever you please within reason. Just don't go boy-crazy monkey-spaz on me.
-Permit you flirt, seduce or bribe anyone it makes sense to so long as it is in a not explicit manner (that includes whatever happens off-camera.)
-Grant you the privileged of engaging in intimacy where 1.) There is an overwhelming majority to do so and 2) makes perfect sense in the situation and for the character.

You do have the ability to make decisions for yourself, after all.

I WILL NOT:

-Display or condone any explicit or provocative descriptions or expressions of any sort.
-Guarantee my usual medium-fast pace of updates in such an event.
-Shield or protect your from the resulting consequences of your actions.
-Enjoy the process.


Now if after all this you still decide to jump ship, all I can say is good luck, farewell, godspeed and thanks for all the fish.

though I do have to admit I'm a bit disappointed to learn that whether in-and-out is in or out is a deal breaker for you.

>>77866
Okay, needed to take a breather and exercise after that. Kids are taking nap-time so that frees me up to address the rest of your response.

> That said, I'd find it really lame if you're going to censor out fun bits of myth like Loki's bestiality mistake. Similarly, I would find a story about gods and goddesses with a focus on trickery would be crippled by a "PG-13" rating.
> With that clarified: Will I find your story lame, and it's time to bail, or not?

As you've already seen I am perfectly comfortable with innuendos, euphemisms and straight up sex talk (talk about sex, not the other way around). Sexual humor always has its day, and I'll recognize that here. Stuff like Loki's gender/species-identity crisis is the sort of stuff you can throw around here and in the story. Also R-rated topics are always on the table, but I will alter the way the events are presented in an unmistakable but unobstuse manner.

Whether or not you'll find it lame I have little way of knowing, since like you I know very little about you. What I do know Is you've tagged along so far which clearly expresses your interest, but as to how far you'll stay on this ride is entirely up to you--so you'd be better at answering that question than I would.

>>77879

>As you've already seen I am perfectly comfortable with innuendos, euphemisms and straight up sex talk (talk about sex, not the other way around). Sexual humor always has its day, and I'll recognize that here. Stuff like Loki's gender/species-identity crisis is the sort of stuff you can throw around here and in the story. Also R-rated topics are always on the table, but I will alter the way the events are presented in an unmistakable but unobstuse manner.

Yeah, fine, that's exactly what I was looking for.
We have had quest-runners here that try to pretend that people do not have sexuality, lead the characters into situations where sexuality is actually a relevant topic or response, and then fail to handle responses involving sexuality gracefully and reasonably. That's what I was getting at, and why I was needling you about waving such a big NO stick regarding the subject of sexuality. (Reference: June Quest. Really, people do that.)

> though I do have to admit I'm a bit disappointed to learn that whether in-and-out is in or out is a deal breaker for you.

Since the topic of social justification interests you perhaps you could use a more-accurate idea of what my opinions on the subject (regarding censorship of sexuality) are.

>if you're not careful playing with sex will mess you up

No disagreements with this statement. None at all. Finished discussion, I agree with you.
Where I differ is about the implications in typical American censorship practice (i.e. MPAA codes) that says sex is worse than violence.
Troll position: We should censor violence, which messes people up a lot more than sex (without violence) *first.* There is more room for legitimate practice of sexuality in a just society than legitimate practice of violence. Stop the news from traumatizing people with wars, terrorists, rapists and murderers, for the children!

Now why would that be wrong? Hint: People need understanding to make appropriate decisions. Accordingly there are remarkably few valid justifications for censorship other than the protection of jusifiable, personal privacy. Protecting people from knowing things generally isn't one (grand juries in such legal systems are a notable exception, double blind analysis is another). That's my position in general on censorship.
There are other, supporting factors for why I believe that the typical American practices regarding cultural censorship of sexuality are misguided at best, but discussing the topic in depth gets tedious when dealing with the sort of person that didn't already reach roughly my position by reading the relevant STI, rape and unplanned-pregnancy statistics from reputable sources. The short of those are that ignorance carries a price, directly results in unnecessary risks and mistakes, and enables exploitation and other victimization.

Now the topic of myth and legend is specifically relevant because there are few better cultural treatments of how people's shortsightedness and stupidity bites them on the ass than our deep cultural heritage. That is why I'd recommend you shouldn't censor it; as long as people remain ignorant and foolish we need to openly discuss the results of ignorance and foolishness. Such a discussion fails if we don't honestly treat the causes of, and draws towards, being ignorant and foolish. If it were otherwise the Reagan, "Just say no to drugs," campaign would've solved America's drug problems.

>>77895
Well... yeah. That's kind of. Hm. I better re-read that, because the way I'm reading it is "Go ahead and do what you were planning to do, because we that's actually what we've both been say thing entire time."

The dramatic event that happened in these peoples history was pretty much >Now the topic of myth and legend is specifically relevant because there are few better cultural treatments of how people's shortsightedness and stupidity bites them on the ass than our deep cultural heritage.

ThéoDinner 2013/11/22(Fri)17:09 No. 77921 ID: 097017
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So, yeah! Lets do this thing! Family tree post on the way!

>>77920
>Well... yeah. That's kind of. Hm. I better re-read that, because the way I'm reading it is "Go ahead and do what you were planning to do, because we that's actually what we've both been say thing entire time."

I was engaging you on the abstract/political level at which you were arguing for treating sexuality as a subject worthy of censorship. Once you get past that error the practical side is easy. Let's do practical advice.

I mentioned the idea of Tory exercising Zeus-level sex drive and you posted an overprotective father meme. That was graceless. For starters you missed an opportunity to introduce your saga's answer to Gefjon(?) or Fulla to directly editorialize about sexuality like that (if you really couldn't stop yourself).

There's more to it than that though: I would not assert that Tory's bedpost-notch collection would or should get into the Zeus/Aphrodite league. (It would surprise me since she's no fertility or love goddess.) That said, for her to neither have or seek romantic partners would make virginity a significant deity feature and add the thematically-related associations with childbirth, fertility, honesty, and prophecy/fortune telling. That's different from, and clashing with, a trickster focus and doesn't work without establishing a different character from Tory to be that virgin. Following from that the question of what kind(s) of romantic opportunities/offers she might pursue/accept, how aggressively and how carefully, is therefore a worthwhile topic that shouldn't just be shut down.

I see your position, but sometimes it's hard to tell with people. I can't tell if I'm discussing with somebody's literacy or libido, so seeing as how this is the internet I just assume the worst. Just to take a quick stroll around the web is to encounter preferences so bizarre and unearthly, it just leaves an awful taste in my mouth.

I joke about not willing to let this character grow up and develop on her own, but my real concern is that this quest may degrade into some fetish fiction. I respect my creations and other's as if they had a life of their own, and it hurts me to think that someone would rather think of a character as a puppet to play sex-doll with than as a person. Most of the characters here are based off of my own family and friends, myself, even. I mean, who knows? Someday I might look at my kids and see the same traits I shared with one of my characters in them.

Look, you obviously a smart guy, but I can't really discuss this topic anymore with out getting into some personal experiences--and it's always a bad idea getting personal on an imageboard. I've found this challenging, enlightening and enjoyable (though naturally a little eustress-ful, like a workout for me brain.) If you'd like to continue I invite you to email me. I've put my address in the email and title fields. Otherwise, lets just stick to the parts where we agree. You can work to achieve the goals you want to accomplish within the parameters I've set.

>>77941
>I joke about not willing to let this character grow up and develop on her own, but my real concern is that this quest may degrade into some fetish fiction.

I've tended to find that the best way to avoid making porn is to avoid making porn. Consider how the webcomic/quest "Prequel" handles it with a scene-jump fast-forward:

http://www.prequeladventure.com/2011/03/164/

That *should* be sufficient to the task of handling those problems, and if it isn't I can see what else I can find to recommend to you.

When a story includes porn it hasn't necessarily degraded at all. There's no obligation to remain smutty. One may return to not porn as easily as one may write another chapter catering to the next guy's fixation. I find authors/creators have this irrational fear that once they start writing sex scenes they won't be able to stop. It's patently untrue of course.

>>77948
I think we're dealing with a quest master that subscribes to Puritan, Christian values here. If so, writing porn at all is an issue for them and your advice is culturally insensitive.

It's time you learned the truth about me... DontLookAtMeImAMonster 2013/11/24(Sun)19:21 No. 77967 ID: 097017
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>>77944
>>77948
>>77950
Call it what you will, but it stems from life experience rather than the prescriptions of any religion. I busied 12-17 years of my life being someone who

>"is a big jackass in my book."

I am a recovering sex (n'otherstuff) addict and was a generally mind-gaming, manipulative jerk for almost two decades now and if someone don't learn something in that time, well... Son, you've got a condition. As you can imagine it's not something I enjoy talking about; I'm not very fond of that time of in life. So, thanks for the advice and the thoughtful consideration from you both, but I'd rather this discussion be taken somewhere else or end right here.

This is getting pretty silly considering none of this has even remotely been a problem in-quest, and considering the explanation for how this would be handled if and when it does arise sounds perfectly reasonable.

Could we move on from discussing theoretical and increasingly not-relevant sexuality and censorship, and sort of get back to talking about the actual quest?

>>77968
I don't even read/participate in this quest and I agree with this.

Getting on with it. Theodamnit, did it again. 2013/11/25(Mon)06:21 No. 77977 ID: 097017
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>>77968
>>77970

Yes, thank you and lets. Infact, I'm just going to save the relevant posts, have this thread scrubbed and make a new one.

Stupid stupid. I knew I shouldn't have stayed up that late...

Learning experiences happen. If you're too afraid of making a mistake chances are you won't try anything you can significantly learn from. This goes triple for running quests because it's still somewhat new and it works very differently for different styles of content and participants.

TheOkay 2013/11/25(Mon)11:39 No. 77991 ID: 097017
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>>/questdis/77981

Evidently so and duly noted. Thanks for the support. I'd rather make a mistake now where it's of little consequence than later when it is. I've saved the entire thread on my computer and will migrate the vital information over to the next disc thread.

I suppose I should have known better than to try my one-on-one "opening up counselor buddy" routine with such a large audience. Looks like I'm just going to have to stick with professional distance. That's behind us now. Either the Powers that Be will pick up on my plea and delete this thread or we can just wait till it falls to the bottom of the chain. Frankly I'll understand if they tire of being my janitor, I just have to due diligently copy my passwords.

Still, It'd be best if newcomers don't have to read through that to get to recent information. I'm moving disc over here >>/questdis/77978 and implementing stricter rules on myself.

...what?

Dude, dis threads are meant as a place to ground out crazy talk. Occasionally, yes, that means we have to force the train back on track after a derailment, but there's no need to burn it down and start over. Dis threads have endured way worse.

TheOhHereComeTheWaterworks 2013/11/25(Mon)19:17 No. 78005 ID: 097017
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>>78003
*sniff* thanks you guys. You're the best group of questers a knowitall doofus could ask for.

Is it just me or is the main quest thread now filling with whiny babies who want to just straight up force a writer to awkwardly write porn for them?

>>78006
One guy (me) said he didn't care, one guy made fun of the people asking for porn, and one guy noted the candy/baby thing. If it is, it happened before now.

>>78007
And only one person actually responds to the situation we've been posed apparently.
Seriously, we've just had our first shiny taken away, let's get creative, observant and vengeful damnit.

Are you serious about trying to bury this thread? Because the links you posted in that other one are giving me:
" JavaScript isn't enabled in your browser, so this file can't be opened. Enable and reload. "

How do I read that stuff without inviting Google to cyberstalk me?

Seriously, there's useful mechanics and a post by post breakdown example of the stat system. And some art. That's worth ignoring a short side discussion. They happen.

>>>78009
...yeah, my machine kind of hates google docs too.

>>78006
It's just you. I don't think any of the suggestions in-thread are pushing that.

...and lookit that! Told you castle dust wouldn't last.

(Also, heck, too tired to parse the whole update and suggest tonight. I'll get it in the morning).

>>78009
>>78011
Yeah, about starting over; it seems like the Sky Mods are testing my faith in them. Probably trying to tell me "hey, punk. You made the mess, you clean it up." Which is probably what I would do in their shoes. So I guess I'm going to keep it. ┐(´∀｀)┌

I got a friend whose reaaaally paranoid about stuff like that, so he just VPN's one of my spare computers when it comes to stuff proxies can't do. I'll just make a pastebin or something.

>>78026
>Probably trying to tell me "hey, punk. You made the mess, you clean it up."

If I were in their shoes I'd say, "I don't see any personal attacks, runaway trolls, or spam. No problem." I mean nobody's being a jerk here (with the possible exception of myself) right?

Strait up nobodies' being a jerk. There ain't no crime in getting a little wrapped up in a topic you're passionate about.

>relationship simulator engaged
...Tory, they're all you cousins. This is how Frankenstein starts, you know. And look how well that went.

>>78043

I dunno, needling the quest master about how sexuality is a large part of deity myths only to turn around and express disgust about incest could be considered a jerk move.
I can't say I didn't intend to do that from the start without lying, because I did. I would defend myself by saying the lulz of comparing religious myth characters and inbred, scum-of-the-earth yokels when talking about their relationship habits is mad, sweet lulz.

>>78053
Well, note I didn't say 'dating simulator', so it's pretty open as for how you'd like to read that. I suppose it's my way of saying I'm now prepared for you to start influencing people and calculating the outcome of that behind the RuneMaster's screen.

I'll give you a little spoiler, since the family tree post is next. This family, like the pantheons of many other myths have a different perspective on who makes an appropriate mate and how distantly you should be related to said person, but stop that thought! It's not in the way you'd think.

"But Theo," I can already hear you say, "How can there possibly be another way to interpret incestual relationships other than 'eww, gross' or the occasional weirdo who says 'hawt!' to him/herself?"

You'll see!

Anonymous 2013/11/27(Wed)18:00 No. 78062 ID: fd6ae9

>it's pretty open as for how you'd like to read that
In the context of the previous discussion, a certain meaning was implied. :V

Theo 2013/11/27(Wed)18:03 No. 78063 ID: 097017
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Also: prepping for thanksgiving was fun until it sucked.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. Here, have a cookie. Theo 2013/11/27(Wed)18:29 No. 78068 ID: 097017
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>>78062
It's up to you guys how you want to use that freedom, as the ramifications aren't clear until they happen, but I suppose you're right: I try not to make assumptions--I just prepare for the worst.
Oh I see; should have clarified. The title 'it's not what you think' was referring to the god's cultural standards being superficially similar but quite atypical to the norm, not the significance of the sim statement. Still, what it eventually entails in your hands.

Anyway, back to the kitchen with me; I've greased up this keyboard quite enough already. Next post sometime tmo or reaaaally late tonight.

Gaah I've got to stop editing this one post with dirty hands. Yes, that's exactly what it means, let's all pat ourselves on the pack. Go nuts! get crazy! I don't even the know anymore.

(seriously tho guys, put some the serious thinking in your the decision the making.)

>>78068

Oh, I can think. I do think. I don't promise to think exactly how anyone that isn't paying me wants me to though.
More helpfully, I don't have enough information yet to do some serious the thinking: We don't have any good idea what our major conflicts in this saga will be.

Asked some characters what they were thankful for this (U.S.) thanksgiving. This is what they said.

>>/questdis/78086

Also, got around to my one and only commission:

>>/draw/21358

You... you've foiled my agenda of making non-stop incest jokes about everyone we meet? But... but... but....

>>78104
goodjobbreakingithero.jpg

>>78104
>>78107

Lol.

When you first mentioned it a regiment of red-flags sprung up in my mind. I swear I though I was being invaded by the Russians. Now that I understand your position and your character a bit better I'm more comfortable with the subject.

>>78110
Yeah, you've twisted my attempt to comment on the inbreeding of pantheons. What I'm left with is a responsibility to provide useful relationship advice to a woman that hears voices in her head. (Which is likely to be a whole lot of no, no, never, no, you're too irresponsible to be a mother, no, and no.)
I could complain that you're being awfully expansive in your interpretation of how a pantheon is formed: As a rule it's incest all the way because of the nature of how most creation myths work. On the other hand, you've just released me from the need to search out concept art and screenshots of Redneck Rampage so my laziness thanks you.

>>78121
Funny!... but is it supposed to be a barbed sort of funny?

In either case, you're welcome! ( ^ ɜ^)~♬♪♫


Also:
> being awfully expansive in your interpretation of how a pantheon is formed
> because of the nature of how most creation myths work.

Haven't gotten to the creation myth yet so keep that in mind as you hold that thought; and also, I haven't explained Unity and how matchmaking works in this community.

>>78121
Really? Because >>77847 and >>/quest/549206 don't sound like jokes to me; it sounds like you really wanted the incest ending. Not trying to be rude here (not to you, anyway) just calling it as I see it. (>>78104) Besides, you don't get a monopoly on incest jokes. Maybe you and the QM are too busy having a lobe-measuring contest to stop the competition and realize that all the jokes you are trying to tell to each other are taken seriously by the other party. But I'm not here for you, I'm here for him.

Yo THE-O, I'm calling you out, bro. (>>78107) I guess old habits are hard to break? Missing the action so much you're trying another take? I'm not here to be a pest, so don't call in mods saying you're being molest-ed. It's just the quality of your sincerity and patience that I've decided to have test-ed.

So what's the game you're playing now, eh, Puppet-Master? Taking another pass at making disaster? First you make a big fuss over sexual relations, and then suddenly decide it's worth all the temptations? You get in an argument with a difficult quest-er, and then suddenly you both are best friends for-ev-er? You turned the fight around and had him eat out of your hand, then you start the fight all over right where it began? Don't pretend that was improvised 'cuz it had to be planned. So what's the skinny, what's the deal? Why are you playing with people's emotions and 'feels'? What's the truth, what's the angle? How do you keep the strings out of a tangle?

Knee-High P.I. 2013/11/30(Sat)12:05 No. 78142 ID: d90912
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>>78141

Oeth 2013/11/30(Sat)12:29 No. 78144 ID: 097017
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>>78141
lolwhut.

>>78142
Hold you're horses there, P.I., let's give him a try.

So, ReGgie! Always nice to hear and see you again. I take it you didn't accept my offer to be your friend? If it's MC c7 that you want to tangle wit', leave QM Theo out of the grittier bit. Let's take it to our personal BDA thread, then and there I can put your fears in their place and your worries to bed.

>THE-O, I'm calling you out, bro.
>then points to my post
I think you're confused.

>>78146
I think he's referring to me "breaking character" or "breaking good."

Before I QM'd I hung out a lot in other people's quests, my favorite was Dungeoneer. In it I tried to be smart, people didn't like it and as a result (and through some un-anticipated circumstances) it blew out of proportion into a full fledged flame-war. After that people have had the perception that I'm a jaded and retaliatory child who can't keep his emotions in check.

If you're reading this, kid, you know who you are. ಠ_ಠ

This fellow was someone who tried to guide and correct me in the finer points of suggesting when that turned into another argument (though this time it wasn't with me.) He's essentially saying that he doesn't believe I'm the 'Mr. Nice Guy' I'm trying to make myself out to be, and that I have some sort of agenda with the recent discussion between me and A(nonymous) Cow(ard).

Since then people have been wary of me in other quests, for which I don't blame them.



But never mind that ancient history; there was a chess game between the two of us that I would love to see finished. Whose turn was it again?

>>78149
Oh. Right. That silliness.

I'm going to continue ignoring it. Really doesn't do anything bringing it up again.

>there was a chess game between the two of us that I would love to see finished. Whose turn was it again?
Yours. My last move was:

>>/quest/548048
>(And speaking of pawns. a3).

I did love subverting the senseless murder quest by quietly playing a game of chess in the background. (I'm surprised no one complained, really!). But I made a rule to myself I was only going to move if I had something to suggest, and since the quest hasn't updated in two weeks we're probably not going to finish that.

I suppose the nice game of chess outlasting the murder game is a victory of sorts, in and of itself.

>>78149
Rhyme-guy is definitely confused. I mean, we're not friends.

Seriously though, sorry for my part in transforming him into. This. Hope he doesn't drag your quest down.

Oeth 2013/11/30(Sat)15:23 No. 78156 ID: 097017
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>>78154
Not friends as in you and he, or not friends as in you and me?

Also don't take responsibility for someone else's mistakes unless you're like their parent, a close relative or close friend because otherwise you really don't have to.

But I accept the apology; it was thoughtful of you. Yes, sometimes we invest a lot of thought, effort and energy in something that weighs heavily on our minds and when somebody else treats that same subject lightly... well we get carried away in our emotions. I understand, been there before.

But have you seen the rest of this disc tho? Couldn't drag me down if you tied me to the titanic and ran me into an iceberg. In other words: "dun Murray abawt-it."

> But have you seen the rest of this disc tho? Couldn't drag me down if you tied me to the titanic and ran me into an iceberg. In other words: "dun Murray abawt-it."

I hope thats not a crack at us, your faithful following. And... weren't you about to close the whole discussion thread and start a new one not even a few days ago?

>>78159
Ka-Shh! Besides, that was because I thought I was in the wrong, and not due to the decisions of other people.

>>78150
here's the play-by-play so far:
WY: e3
BM:e7-e5
WY:Na3
BM:Nf6
WY:Nc4
BM:Pe4
WY:Nh3
BM:Nc6
WY: a3

I've got the chessboard still set up in my parlor. I just pretend you sneak into my house and move the pieces when I'm not looking.

>>78156
You and I are not friends, so his suggestion that some kind of conspiracy was carried out against him between the two of us is silly. There's no camaraderie between us two, just a mutual understanding. The fact that our understanding of it is different isn't particularly relevant.

We clearly have different values, the sum total of my emotional investment in the entire saga hasn't exceeded very mild irritation. What's important is not making asses of ourselves and each other anymore, or at least as often. Which we accomplished.

I have a bad habit of pursuing ever finer degrees of understanding when it isn't productive or welcome so I'll shut up now.

>>78162
> have a bad habit of pursuing ever finer degrees of understanding when it isn't productive or welcome so I'll shut up now.

Nonono, that's fine. I welcome your discourse here! Feel free to dissect, analyze, split hairs and count peanuts; by all means, make yourself at home.

A few things I should have clarified:

> A(nonymous) Cow(ard).

Is a handle ID 36c336 jokingly applied to himself, so it does not refer to you or our conversation but rather him and my conversation with him.

> Yes, sometimes we invest a lot of thought, effort and energy in something that weighs heavily on our minds and when somebody else treats that same subject lightly... well we get carried away in our emotions. I understand, been there before.

Applies just as much to me and rhymefellow as it does to you.

> Nonono, that's fine. I welcome your discourse here!

Speaking of which I should have thanked Pantalaimon and other familiar anonymous suggester for their contributions...

>Still, be careful what you wish for and what you say in the story thread
...wasn't the conversation you're referring to almost exclusively in dis? :V

Also, wow, lotta greentext and non-update in that update.

>>78141
I'm trying to provide useful guidance to someone that seems to be a novice questfaggot. I'm gambling that they have adequate brainpower that it's worth it to try and school them in questing.
Frankly, namefaggot drama is dumb, and boring: People need to learn that anonymity is a really good thing. It allows us to minimize the 'halo effect.*' This allows more lulz, makes it easier to ignore dumb, and helps people get past remembering how dumb you were when you learn better. However, since it seems Theo didn't lurk moar we have to either deliver the lessons they should've learned by lurking moar or shun them until they've lurked moar. Maybe you should lurk moar, namefaggot.
I'm indirect in how I explain shit because most people think they, and their ideas and beliefs, are smarter than they really are. So you have to go around them thinking they're right to the dumb reasons that they think they're right. I find it tedious but the alternative is to just ignore them.
If you want me to stop that's negotiable. I want more quests without weeaboo and furfaggotry that I don't have to run myself: Make an offer.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

>>78148
>>78164
You had just made a startling admission that you hadn't gone as far as making a creation myth. This seems oddly negligent since the question of why gods exist, what they do, and how they're different from mortals tends to flow from it. I mean you made a statbuilder system first before starting, but no creation myth for a deity setting, WTF?
Let me try to explain why I think this is pants-on-head retarded. In D&D tabletop the base assumptions you work with are different: They've built a superstructure of fantasy-avatars, murder, statbuilder and ruleslawyering, that means that a novice DM can and will be told to stop worldbuilding and let them get to the fantasy genocide. In a sense that statbuilder and those rules are the true setting and story, and whatever fantasy 'fluff' the DM comes up with is a distraction from the real game--they want their barrels of shiny loot and furlongs of XP so they can start pimping their *personal* fantasy-avatars and play the actual Player's Guide min-maxing game. In contrast, here we don't have those same base features: The player character is shared between the players unless you're doing something experimental and weird, so the 'fantasy-avatar' and related statbuilder stuff won't work the same way in either direction. That changes the logic of time-to-kobold-murder. This, along with the fact that the QM as a rule is not working from a premade box-set adventure and a premade box-set rules system, causes us to work on a more story- and setting-driven logic of what we can and cannot do.
How to get out of this mess is something I'm less certain about. I'm not sure where to start building your creation myth here because gods erupting, fully-formed, out of primal chaos is generally an early-existence phenomenon. Other explanations for how Tory came to exist as a deity of adult form and no previous memories could include the sort of Athena-birth weirdness that's hard to make up because it's so insane. One more would be that another deity had been destroyed and some impersonal force of reality spawns a replacement out of primal chaos. You can also use my paranoid raving about kidnapping and brainwashing, if you're feeling gutsy and willing to do the homework.
But take the hint here, eh? Your choice of creation myth is directly relevant to the question of where the main character came from and what she's supposed to be doing. That you don't have one is a pretty big fail.

P.S. Anonymous Coward is the default placeholder for names on Slashdot, like 'Anonymous' here in questdis, and 'Suggestion' in quest. Apparently I shouldn't hint around you?

>>78167
Well gee, now the entire post is greentext, and the update I was responding to is gone. :V

(Oh well, I'll fix it when the dialog comes back).

>>78171
I don't know where it went either! WHATS GOING OOOOOON?!

>>78169
Clearly that oddball was right about one thing and that's the communication issues we're having here.

I said that I hadn't 'gotten to' the origin story (WITH YOU EMPHASIS ADDED) yet, not that I simply waived on making one. There's more than one way to interpret that statement and I'd at least appreciate the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the specifications of my own story.

Look, I'm just going to take a break now. I'm going to try and look for the file that contained recent post (because every other one is neatly lined up in my folders as they should be.) It's clear to me some heads need to stoke and simmer before this quest can meaningfully continue. I enjoy being open and conversational with you guys but if that leads you to believe you can act out like that and expect me to thank you for it you're mistaken. Expect next update sometime next January. Meanwhile I need to do some back-to-back sessions of Insanity and get these bad vibes out of my system.

For what it's worth, the copy-editing stuff was meant as light teasing, not a criticism. It happens to all of us.

And yeah, try not to let Apple Candy there get under your skin.

My apologies; that was an immature response. Name-calling and defamation (with one exception) really don't faze me, but I guess there are two things that strike a nerve; someone who questions my thoughtfulness and dedication to a project and thatotherthing.

Still, there will be a short hiatus on this quest because there will be much travel in December (both for business and holiday), because I want to learn how to pace myself for the next thread (which will have images) and because I'm also going to be starting another quest (Midnight Exhibition) soon. Ya'll make a great readership, and despite that difficulties naturally arise in any endeavor you've all been a pretty superb crew throughout... though it seems our Magnificent Seven has been reduced to Three Amigos for that first bout of turbulence.

Some other things:

>>78168
I do lurk, but what's said by anonymous stays anonymous.

Yes, I'm aware I don't do a good job copy-editing my own work; I'm preparing a prettier version of it that will read better, have a little more detail and have all those pretty pictures I've been holding out on you. >>78169 Yeah, I don't get around the net much. Mostly it's work-related, academic or social (with personal friends.) Some added context for all your young-people things would help a lot.

Oeth 2013/12/01(Sun)13:59 No. 78183 ID: 097017
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>>78181
I actually like his fiestyness... just not when the brunt of it is focused at me. I mean he can be a jerk, but he makes it work for him.

It takes diff'rent strokes, ya know?

>>78179
>> There's more than one way to interpret that statement and I'd at least appreciate the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the specifications of my own story.

Well okay then. Forgive me for not understanding you, but I thought it would be obvious from reading the thread that you hadn't told us the creation myth yet. Having one and not telling it yet makes perfect sense because it's good form to establish some character and scene first before you get us to ask for the TL;DR paragraphs.
In light of that, which I thought was obvious, it seemed like you could only mean that you hadn't made your creation myth yet. Please excuse the interpretation error, but I like to think it wasn't unreasonable.

>>78182
Sorry, but I was generally telling off the "RG" trollan namefaggot, dissecting how they had nothing to say and shouldn't be saying it. If they'd been anonymous I wouldn't have responded, and in hindsight we wuz all trolld gud by that faggot.

If I had a point for you in there it would have been that their excuse to driveby namefaggot-drama wouldn't have existed if you hadn't used a name where you don't need one.

>>78184
>>78185
Water under the bridge, friend. I'm too slick to hold a grudge; always slides right off.

\:^D

I'm not so convinced that troll was actually who he claimed, though. My impression of that the real RG namefellow doesn't match with this guy's attitude. The Reggie I talked with was classier than that. When he wanted to talk to you he took you aside rather than making a mess in the thread. His rhyming sounded like urbane poetry rather than urban street-freestyle. Plus, none of the ID's he used matched this guy's.

>>78185
It's worth pointing out that name or no, a guy who rhymes constantly is making themselves visible. Lots of people have distinctive styles, in a low-traffic site like this it's not hard to make educated guesses about the identities of others. Also there's the whole IDs thing.

My point is that anonymity isn't actually a cornerstone of this community, like it is of some others. By incessantly complaining about them, you're being the asshole.

>>78190
Fellas, please. You're welcome to insult me (with the two mentioned exceptions) but I'm not comfortable with someone naming one of my guests a poopy sphincter, whether you yourself have guest status or no. There's an old saying in the 'States that's a shame they don't say anymore;

> "Your rights end at my nose."

It means that the rights and privledges you enjoy as a citizen of that nation are waived the moment you infringe on someone else's. The same applies here.

> It's worth pointing out that name or no, a guy who rhymes constantly is making themselves visible. Lots of people have distinctive styles, in a low-traffic site like this it's not hard to make educated guesses about the identities of others.

Maybe so, but due to some recent events, the loss of my data and some key elements in that troll's writing that sound uncannily familiar, I'm inclined to believe it's someone I know getting back at me for chastising him in front of his high school buddies. I can't say for certain, but I know this kid to be a real tricky dick; chances are he installed a key logger in this comp. We'll see his reaction after he reads this.

Anuses not okay, dicks just fine. Noted.

>>78190
>>78191
It's an argument about a culture/code of conduct question on tgchan, and not discussion about the Table of the Gods quest. Belongs in meep.
I will comment that asshole and impatient can be indistinguishable, because they're often the same thing. In that vein I'll let wikipedia do some of my explaining for me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

What I actually meant to ask about is my latest quest response. It responds to post-parts that aren't even up on the thread anymore. Should I pull it?

>>78194
Ha! Yes, precisely. It's worth noting I'm describing a family member, but its quite correct all the same.

>>78195
No, please keep it there. I can't find the file and so I'm trying to reconstruct the latest post before I pause the quest. Actually, any help you could provide from memory would be much appreciated.

>>78198
I can't remember the post word for word, but I suggest hopping on irc and asking a mod for help. Brom and his ilk can see deleted posts, and could fill you in on the dialog of uncle mindreader that you accidentally lost revising the post.

>>78198
>No, please keep it there. I can't find the file and so I'm trying to reconstruct the latest post before I pause the quest. Actually, any help you could provide from memory would be much appreciated.

Hadn't said much, actually. It seemed like a less-than-half-finished update: Other than yet another poke at us to inquire about Elene's "father" it was mostly a couple conversational responses to some of our previous responses.

>>78204
yes. Ends up I probably realized that and retracted the story in order to make it seem more finished. Left to eat food, then came back and thought I was done so I turned off the computer and went to bed. All fixed now! Turning my attentions to new quest for a wee bit then I'll see if I can juggle both.

I've never run quests, but from observation it looks like juggling multiple quests leads to burnout unless you have plenty of time and attention for all of them: What do you do when there's fifty suggestion responses on a half-dozen quests to go through and most of them aren't worthless?
That said, try it if you really want, you may find a quest you may want to run more than this one. Enjoying what you do is one of the secrets to diligence and achievement.

>>78289
Fortunately for me I don't seem to have that problem; most of my audience seems to be driven off by my winning charm, humility and abundance of pretty pictures.

As for time and attention, that gives me another wonderful opportunity to prattle about myself. Luckily (or unluckily for some as they would choose to have it) My jobs are exceptionally flexible, essentially allowing me to set my own schedule for most of them, 2/3rds of which allow me to work from home.

In effect, I have one day job that occupies my week with

>>78289
I don't seem to have that problem; most of my audience seems to be driven off by my winning charm, my consistent maturity, my dignified humility and an abundance of pretty pictures.

As for time and attention, that gives me another wonderful opportunity to prattle about myself. Fortunately (or unfortunately for some as they would choose to have it) My jobs are exceptionally flexible, essentially allowing me to set my own schedule for most of them--2/3rds of which allow me to work from home. In effect, I have one day job that occupies my weekdays, a series of investments that I check on periodically throughout the day and one freelance occupation that I set appointments for on weekends and make progress with in the evenings. That may sound like a lot at first, but if you actually saw how much time I actually need to spend working rather than just playing at work you'd say I had it easy.

Dear intriguing and mysterious stranger,

I have been reading your quest and have found it somewhat to my liking, but I with my outsider's perspective, I've noticed a few things that, if altered, could improve your quest.

1- Your writing could use some draftsmanship. You tend to repeat the same words too frequently too close together, and while the additional misspellings and grammar issues are commonplace everywhere, they tend to be avoidable. It's also almost in-real-time in its slow pace--which isn't necessarily a bad thing--but such a style tends to lend itself to an older audience; the same kind of audience that still communicates with people via hand-written letters and expect intermissions when watching feature films.

b) Mechanics could use refinement. Though you evidently put some though into its base, it seems you retrofitted the rules of one of your other games to apply to quest format. You have said that you're working on a fix for the next thread, so I suppose you can just take this as a reminder rather than a correction.

III. While I would be thrilled and privileged to have you autograph my body in person, it's not your person or even your brilliant, superior intellect that interests me here in tgchan. It's the quest. A lot of your posts that aren't about the quest tend to be a bit, shall we say, self-indulgent.

>>78300
Why thank you handsome sounding stranger that I'm certain I've never met, I'll take your advice to heart (don't expect me to sign anything tho)

So I got down with a gnasty bug, been bedridden for a day and a half. Decided now that I have the time I'll take the silver lining and knit out the rest of this story. Temporary lift on the temporary haitus; maybe I can get this thread done in the time it takes to overcome this virus.

Alright so, after doing some self examination on my string of heinous shenanigans, I've decided I can't meaningfully adjust to this community ( that and my other writing community gave me an ultimatum for all the bad publicity I've given them.) So I'm packing up my quests and shipping them over to 4chan/tg/ or Author Wars where either ppl don't care or some editor more even-keeled than I am will manage the story-, format-, copyediting and distribution aspect of the creative process respectively. I know I've backed out of some things I said I'd do before, but its getting ridiculous; If I can't get with the program I'd better just hit the road, Jack. All I have left to do is ask all past participant questers to grant me intellectual property rights to Tory's character elsewhere since you were the ones that actually made her. I'm not going to wait until everybody that ever suggested posts, just enough to give me some peace of mind. If there's no other matter or loose ends to tie off I'll be off.

Jeeze, you're bailing because of the stupid fight you had in meep?

Just drop those fights, and stop worrying about them. The people who enjoy reading your quest enjoy it, and don't give two shits about 'em. Drama blows over if you let it.

And copy editing / format problems tend to go away with practice.

If you do go, I'll be disappointed to see this die. But yes, ultimately it's your choice, and yes, you can still do whatever you want with your characters.

This is not about an argument in meep, this is about my impulse to shit post in other people's threads. I'm not being dramatic, I'm being practical. In the Middle East there is a saying:

Whatever happens just once will never happen again, but anything that happens twice will assuredly happen a third time.

So as much as I'd like to believe I can just pull up my pants and self-discipline the stupid out of me, I really don't trust myself enough with other people's quests. Again, you tell your self it's just as simple as just deciding not doing it, but it isn't. You get soft and cocky and lo an behold a week passes and you've done it again. Fact is I'm addicted to being a dumbass, and I either keep pissing people off here or I go somewhere people tolerate my shit. This doesn't mean you guys can't still participate, but I just want to rid myself of the temptation to belabor someone else's pride and joy with my inanity. This is especially true in Arhra's Dungeoneer. I mean their quest has already endured a lot of really crazy stuff, the last thing they need is for me to add my dung to the top of the pile.

It may not feel like it sometimes, but we're in control of how we react to things. Especially so in a medium like this, where you're perfectly capable of reading over, revising, or even completely scrapping what you wrote before ever hitting reply. Self control can really be as simple as how long you choose to think on something.

If you don't trust yourself in other people's quest threads, then, well, don't post in them until you do. Although, really, your worst examples of "being a dumbass" have been in meep or dis, anyways. (And you're hardly the nuttiest in dungeoneer). Worst I think you've done in a quest thread was multipost something that would have been better off in dis, but you're hardly the first person to get carried away like that.

I think you're overrating, but whatever. Can't hold you here. Do as you will.

>>78720
Wiiiiiimp.

Puuussssssssy.

You keep saying
http://youtu.be/xXDC89tZ4IQ

But all I hear is
http://youtu.be/AWczDzmqVBI

Pathetic.

Addiction to acting like a moron on the internet?
If you could get along with using a substitute location for this there are options. Slashdot has a mostly-useful way of tolerating such foolishness.
http://slashdot.org/

The internet is large, there are many places that idiocy is expected. I'd suggest using them for their specialties, and use tgchan.org for questing.

Oh dont indulge the drama queen, he'll be back. Don't buy his hurfdurfdurf nonsense, either. His problem is he's infatuated with everyone he meets and wants to swan dive into their pants. When he catches himself and feels guilty he goes chicken little and pretends the sky is falling, then it's rinse, lather and repeat.

(Sounds like you two have some issues to work out. Do it somewhere else, friend.)

New management?

It means I'm taking over this quest for an unspecified period of time.

>>78811
In what capacity? Co-author, editor / buffer, replacement...?

>>78813
Writing replacement. Notes and art were handed off to me. Previous author will act as a consultant for stuff I don't understand, but from now 'till who knows when it'll be my rodeo.

>>78816
Need to ask us anything or are you all set for the next update?