>>55731
Easily. Hated usually doesn't do to his preferences, but he's completely capable of it.

Summoning 101 Hated 2012/06/09(Sat)11:57 No. 55930 ID: a407a5
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Summoning usually takes a great deal of time and preparation. This is mostly because non-mortals don't like to be dragged away from whatever they were doing in their own realm to basically deal with someone else's problem, especially when that that someone is usually much, much weaker than them.

The basic necessities for summoning are a nice quiet place to do it(don't want to get interrupted), sigils to increase the strength of your call(usually keyed to a specific plane of existence, such as the Heavens or the Pits) and a circle as the arrival point, usually doubling as the protection ring against getting murdered by whatever you summon.

Another thing generally used is a description of what your trying to summon. While not required, it does help limit the things that will come to you. If you just connect your summoning to hell, your liable to either get something quite a bit weaker than what you expected, or something much, much stronger, in which case your dead. By adding a description( a demon of fire raised in the least of the pits, for example) your chances of getting what you want are much higher. Even better if you can name the kind of creature you want (an imp, for example), as that guarantees that at the least you'll get that kind of creature. The most surefire way to get someone specific to come out is to name the creature by name(such as calling a particular god, if one is strong enough to do so).

Generally speaking, certain creatures will also desire gift of some kind. The elementals are particularly known for this, and generally won't want to have anything to do with someone that doesn't provide the proper gift, usually something appropriate to the type of elemental they are. Angel's and demon's don't particularly want gifts, persay, instead being willing to wait till after they are summoned to make a deal with the summoner, usually power or accomplishing some request for something in return. Gods, demi-gods and godlings are generally much less prone to actually answering a call, regardless of what gift is offered, unless the summoner is strong enough to attract their attention. Most demi-god being will then exact some payment of some kind before even bothering to show up, while gods themselves have been known to appear only when they find themselves interested in the summoner enough to give a damn.

There is also two other forms of summoning, generally considered much weaker than the first, and something that Hated has little knowledge of. The first is invoking, which is focused more on spirits residing in the mortal realm than outside influences. These can included weaker elemental spirits capable of residing on the mortal plane without disrupting natural balance, as well as spiritual guardians of places, such as tree spirits found in some areas of the elven woods.

The last form is known as direct summoning, allowing a spirit or entity to temporarily reside in a portion of ones body, generally changing the shape and function of that body part. This is most common among the orcs, as most other races don't have the physical endurance required to survive having body parts violently warped into something else.

That's all for now, and if you have any questions, ask away. If Hated knows it, it'll be answered here.

Ask your questions! Any questions! All Questions! TELL ME YOUR QUESTIONS!

... Ahem.

Is asking about voices like breaking the fourth wall, or is there plot?

Mostly comments here.

Dammit, I wanted to ask the truth demigod about the things that the elven spies weren't able to find out, so that we'd be able to take over the country more effectively. Didn't finish writing my suggestion until half an hour after the update went up, without seeing it. Blast.

Ah, well. These things happen. And Hated knows enough to make a new summoning circle pretty much whenever he wants, right? And we've still got the reference texts.

It is clear from what we saw in this city that the mages in this country know useful things. We need to be sure to disable or capture some rather than killing them all so that we can extract their tricks. Every mage we kill is also one that we won't be able to force to feed us sparks after we take over the country, so while rampant slaughter of the magically inclined is fun we should probably restrain ourselves in the future.

We'll need to spend some more time on talking with Isrenow and working through how her personality sits at the moment. Like our interactions with a few others, mostly Nina, in the first thread, learning how she thinks and then influencing that in the hope of changing it is likely to be interesting- and in Isrenow's case, could be critical to the difference between keeping her as a reliable and powerful asset and having her turn against us.

Speaking of Isrenow, how do her powers work as compared to Hated? Is she more of a normal mage type- and if so, how powerful of a mage are we talking? With a thousand years behind her she must have amassed a staggering amount of skill in her specialties.

>>56007
Not breaking the fourth wall at all, you are considered to represent something within the universe of Demon's Rage. It is also, however, not important at all to the plot. If you want to pursue that line of questions, it's up to you to convince Hated it's in his interest to do so, but... eh.

>And Hated knows enough to make a new summoning circle pretty much whenever he wants, right?

Hated can make a new summoning circle, but making one from scratch, Hated's will be inferior in quality. Hated isn't big into creating things normally, and it's probably one of his biggest failings. More to be discussed below.

>Speaking of Isrenow, how do her powers work as compared to Hated? Is she more of a normal mage type- and if so, how powerful of a mage are we talking? With a thousand years behind her she must have amassed a staggering amount of skill in her specialties.

Alright. Now down to something I can type at length about.

To start us off, Hated is, shall we say, an oddity when it comes to magic. Thanks to being immortal, capable of staggering amounts of sparks and being highly intelligent(even if most of the time that intelligence takes a back seat to his kill everything philosophy), Hated can, over time, master almost any form of magic imaginable, excepting some few outliers that don't follow some of the standard rules, such as invoking and those very few forms of "magic" that don't use sparks at all.

His greatest limitation, at least for the moment, is Hated's somewhat massive lack of patience, and his lack of desire to spend time learning. Hated is very much a "do-er", and doesn't enjoy sitting around practicing the same task over and over till he gets it right. That's why Hated's main focus has always been Body magic, as it's the simplest form of magic to master and often has immediate, tangible, results. Furthermore, Hated has taken to the more openly destructive path, preferring to leave the broken, shredded bodies of his enemies, allies and whoever else pisses him off lying around behind him. Essentially, if it's flashy and destroys things, Hated will most likely take interest in learning how to do it.

Now, to Isrenow. Isrenow is on the opposite end of that spectrum. She is very much a methodical person, assuming she hasn't latched on to Hated, and she very proficient in Mind magic, as it's what was taught to her growing up. Mind magic, as opposed to Body magic, is very complex, as it generally deals with things people can't see and are rarely tangible. As such, most of Isrenow's more powerful magic is just that, completely different spells, as opposed to Hated's, which are more like him increasing a basic spell(like more speed) and simply ratcheting it up to insane levels till he gets the result he wants. Isrenow's magic also takes a lot more time to perform correctly, as she is has to generally break down the mental defenses of those she's trying to affect. To put that in perspective, it takes Isrenow about 3 minutes to break a crowd of normal non-magical human's mental defenses. This time increases the more and more magical someone is(assuming their smart enough to erect defenses of some kind) and how mentally stubborn they are.

Isrenow's Mind magic has few outward applications, most devised for breaking people's minds, but one of those few she does have is a sort of mental cloud, and ability not unlike Hated's mind haze. In her case, however, it provides some measure of physical protection, in that people within the cloud's area are struck with slight disorientation. Not enough to be noticeable, but just enough to make it seem like she's just barely dodging attacks. This bypasses Hated's mental defenses only because it wasn't targeting his mind, but rather the information his sense gave his mind.

The final difference is the "ability" Isrenow has. Isrenow dabbled a little in Soul magic, granting her the ability to "cut" things. Anything. If she can perceive it in some way, the object can be cut. This ability is what allowed her to "cut" through Hated's telekinetics, as Isrenow felt something grab her and simply cut that grasp from her own body. This "cutting" occurs from Isrenow essentially creating sharp, mental "blades" which don't actually exist in the real world. These blades cut only because the small amount of Soul magic Isrenow learned allows her to tell the laws of reality to go screw themselves just enough to allow these mental blades to function. Her only limitation with her cutting ability is the requirement of physical contact, as Isrenow has to use her own body as a focal point for her magic.

In terms of power Isrenow could be compared to a minor demi-god. Hated, currently, is at the levels of angels and demons, and could probably take on a few of each at the same time simply due to his experience in combat with magic.

And looking back, all that is very much a jumbled mess... eh. If you have any questions, for clarification or simply have something else you want to ask about, feel free.

Are all immortals incapable of generating their own sparks, or is it something unique to Hated? I mostly want to know if Isrenow will be generating us a goodly sized number of sparks, or if she's another mouth to feed.

Also, I am mildly concerned that with Hated's newly gained sexual feelings/desires and his... fondness for violence and bloodshed there is potential for some rather unfortunate impulses that we'll have to rein in. Ideally he'd pause and go "What do!?" when feeling the effects of his feelings for the first time but he's also an impulsive dude. So yeah.

Been thinking a bit on the implications of our identity coming out. The whole thing about Hated being Hated doesn't matter that much, in my estimation, except as a propaganda point against him. Isrenow doesn't care for obvious reasons; the barbarians won't give a damn because he's certainly not slaughtering them- he's leading them in conquest, and their god said so! The gods he's championing won't care; he's certainly not attacking them, and that's a powerful tool they could potentially use against their enemies. Mostly the danger will come from old enemies coming out of the woodwork to oppose us, and propaganda.

However, the Truth guy was right in that we'll need more allies and backup. This begs the question: Who are Hated's most significant enemies amongst the gods/demons/whatever, that are likely to still be around and care about him? Was there anyone that he worked with back in the old days? If we need allies and powerful servants, is there anyone that would be a good bet to turn to?

>>56028
>Isrenow and spark generation
This is an incredibly key question, because if she can feed us demigod-level sparks on a regular basis then she is our new favorite minion.

She might be our new favorite minion anyway, depending upon her personality- at the moment she's kind of in a tizzy over Hated's love spell, but lovers aren't just about being physical; it's likely that she would be more than willing to spend time talking with him and hashing out serious objectives that they would pursue together, all the more so because of her (apparently) methodical rather than impulsive personality. He can actually tell her "hey, I want to slaughter the ones who imprisoned me and all their descendants" and have her apply all the intellect and power of a thousand-year-old psychotic mage to the problem. Also, they both love killing things and have little or no respect for others. It's not a bad match at all.

>Also, I am mildly concerned that with Hated's newly gained sexual feelings/desires and his... fondness for violence and bloodshed there is potential for some rather unfortunate impulses that we'll have to rein in.
Yeah, I'm thinking that we should throw a heavy regeneration enhancement on anyone we think we might end up sleeping with well in advance. Just in case.

>>56028
Isrenow generates her own sparks, Hated's unique need to consume the sparks of others is caused by the way he was born, not being immortal. Hated himself is currently the only KNOWN mage who can't generate his own supply, but at the same time, he really the only one that doesn't have a cap on his spark limits, at least, none discovered so far.

>Who are Hated's most significant enemies amongst the gods/demons/whatever, that are likely to still be around and care about him? Was there anyone that he worked with back in the old days? If we need allies and powerful servants, is there anyone that would be a good bet to turn to?

Obviously the descendants of the Children have reason to be concerned with Hated running around. Similarly, or perhaps as result of the Children asking them for help back then, the Racial Gods have reason to fear him, although not because he'll kill them. He won't kill the five main racial gods, Hated doesn't want the major races dying out. He needs them for sparks. Angels and Demons were enemies in the past, but no one in particular from the past, since anyone specifically gunning for Hated usually ended up dead. Among Immortals there are two that escaped Hated's genocide of the poor bastards. Beloved is considered Hated's direct opposite, generally aiming to help the mortal races instead of killing all of them(at least, back then), her current whereabouts are unknown. The other was Shammy, an orc immortal who opposed Hated only when Hated went to the Orcish island. Neither is going to like the idea of Hated being loose again, assuming they are still alive. Which Beloved both are, just not in Everfrost.

Hated... never really worked with anyone. Occasionally he would deal with a god or two when he needed something he himself couldn't do, but other than that, he worked alone. The few gods he did work with generally didn't care much about him either, a mutual desire to use the other one fueling all interactions. Most conceptual gods, however, would be willing to ally themselves with Hated, assuming they didn't know who he was. Which, currently, they don't.

Allies would have to come in the form of other powerful beings, passive allies being gods probably, while more direct allies would have to come from other sources.

Servants, on the other hand, are readily available. There are mortals everywhere, start controlling them. If your looking for servants that won't backstab you on the other hand... well, angels, demons and elementals all have methods which can be used to keep them loyal, and there's always using a geas on people you really don't want leaving your side.

>>56044
>more direct allies would have to come from other sources.
Could you offer suggestions as to what these other sources might be?

>angels, demons and elementals all have methods which can be used to keep them loyal, and there's always using a geas on people you really don't want leaving your side.
These "methods" intrigue me and I wish to know more.

So does this "geas" concept. How hard are they to use, and what are their limits? Is there any reason not to start geasing everyone left and right into our eternal slaves?

Alright, I caught up.

Now, I don't really understand why the Fertility goddess was summoned, especially for something so minor like creating a kid (I know we promised Nina but iirc we did let her know that it could take us years to get there) but since we did that and fundamentally altered Hated forever, I have something to be cleared out.
Hated didn't have any interest in women simply because they were of different race, he couldn't breed with them and thus there was no biological reason to feel sexually/emotionally attracted. It made sense too, since it would be the same as for a (normal) human to want to fuck a pig (yeah, there are fucked up people out there who would do it but I'm talking about sane humans here). I doubt pet owners feel comfortable when their cat in heat starts rubbing on them, Hated must have had similar feeling. I suppose it is also one of the reasons why he feels little to no empathy towards anything at all.

But now that Hated can apparently breed with any sentient races, does that mean he will start seeing females in different light and stop being utterly disgusted by them? Maybe even be open to suggestions of intimacy. Heck, perhaps he will stop being such a murderous sociopath too (at least to an extent).
Would be nice if it was like that. Not because I wasn't to suggest fucking everything but because his reactions towards women showing affection to him were getting annoying.

Also, how often do you update? What's the schedule?

>>56059
>Now, I don't really understand why the Fertility goddess was summoned, especially for something so minor like creating a kid
Because one post suggested it and no one else said not to or had a mutually exclusive suggestion before the next update. Hated doesn't really prioritize between suggestions, he's not big on forethought, and he rarely says no. It's a bit inconvenient at times, but it also means that you can get him to do things fairly easily.

>But now that Hated can apparently breed with any sentient races, does that mean he will start seeing females in different light and stop being utterly disgusted by them?

Only when the ability to breed is activated, and then his reactions will get... interesting. And flowery.

>>56060
Usually once a day, sometime after 8, Pacific Standard.

>Could you offer suggestions as to what these other sources might be?

The fey if you want to get weird. Other immortals aren't a bad idea either, although most tend to focus on one thing(like Murderer liking to murder everyone). Um... if you had an invoker loyal to Hated, you could probably start getting spirits and the aspects to form contracts with him... That abouts sums that up. There aren't too many major powers in the world that aren't gods or something else not of the mortal realm. I suppose if you really felt like it you could try hunting a dragon down to, but that wouldn't be advisable, since, well... Hated popped the dragon god like a balloon.

>These "methods" intrigue me and I wish to know more.

Binding would be the most effective method for angels and demons, it's what gods use to bind angels as their servants. The process must be undertaken willingly by the one to serve though, so most demons won't submit to this. It does, however, bind the servant to you for eternity, and generally the personality of the angel or demon will shift slightly to reflect that of master. Elementals are bound to places or objects, and can they be released from these objects to cause havoc, or they'll guard a place till they are released from service. Some other methods that work on all three types include normal purchasing of services(favor for favor, money, souls, delicious coal, etc.) or swearing fealty in the other direction.

Angels can also generally be convinced to support a cause as long as they can see how it will serve Order, or whatever god they serve, demons will support causes that spread chaos, and elementals don't give shit and will generally only support something that catches their interest.

Geas is... well, to start with, it binds someone body, mind and soul. There isn't escaping a properly placed geas. While it allows for absolute loyalty, it's also one of the most singularly ORDER actions someone can perform, and will generally cause any ingenuity and creativity in a person to vanish. This is, of course, only if it's placed correctly. Hated despises geas as a concept, it goes against his nature to Order things, but he can perform the curse/spell on people. The Chaos doesn't have a counterpart spell-wise. So, if you want literally everybody to need there hand held when you want to use new concepts, I wouldn't suggest geas.

>>56062
>Only when the ability to breed is activated, and then his reactions will get... interesting. And flowery.

It is off by default? Wouldn't it be better to build up some mental defenses and then turn it on and keep it on all the time? So that Hated can get gradually used to it and after a while be able to keep his shit under control like a normal human?
Though, I guess it would be a good idea to first isolate Hated when he turns it on and only have Nina or other people who we want to be intimate with and have their consent with him for couple of weeks or so.

>Usually once a day, sometime after 8, Pacific Standard.
Is it because of few suggestions or would you pick up the pace if adequate amount of them were posted quickly enough?

>>56061
>Because one post suggested it and no one else said not to or had a mutually exclusive suggestion before the next update.
Right, I went back and read the suggestions. Yeah, no one suggested anything else so it makes sense.
Since I had to read the whole thread in one go I didn't really read the player suggestions.

How are we going to tell the elves that the person they want dead is now our lover?

>>56062
>Binding
Sounds tricky. Does Hated know how to do this, and what are the limitations on the kinds of beings that it works on?

>>56073
They haven't really said they want her dead. They said that they wanted her captured, but we could kill her if that wasn't feasible. Depending upon what they actually want with her we might be able to just keep her around us and they'd be cool with it.

>>56063
Is is off by default, because the Fertility goddess was kind enough not to make Hated go through something he hadn't ever gone through before, and right after his very being was restructured.

As for my posting speed, that's actually because of work. I have things to do until right around 8, get anything else I have to do done at home, then read any posts there have been, then write up the response. That can take awhile.

>Sounds tricky. Does Hated know how to do this, and what are the limitations on the kinds of beings that it works on?
Hated knows the knowledge required to do it. He himself has never actually performed the magic involved. As for limitations, well... let's see. If you mean, shall we call it, the bond of servitude angels and the like can undertake, then obviously it's limited to angels and the like.

Geas, on the other hand, works on any and all beings it has been tried on, which means pretty much everything but gods and immortals. There is also the possibility of someone "resisting" a geas curse placed on them, although it only works if the geas cursed is both resisted at the time it was placed, and your own power level(measured in sparks) is high enough to defeat the amount of sparks placed into the geas. As it happens, Hated will never have to worry about a geas.

I forgot what assets we already had before the war.

How many barbarian population centers do we have? Or did we have everyone move to one big city?
We had established a mining outpost somewhere, it was gold, I think.
Do we have smiths? I seem to remember that there was one tribe which specialized in smithing.
Speaking of tribes, which ones were there and what were their specialties? There was one which specialized in horseback riding (Horsehoof iirc), another in archery which I don't remember name of, another which delved in more sneaky and subtle stuff.
How many armies did we make and how big were they? Who were the generals we appointed to them?
How many shamans do we have and how are they distributed among the armies/cities?
What kind of enchantments do our armies have?

Also, a map would be nice. Even a low quality MsPaint picture is enough.
It would be very useful for us to make decisions and generally have an idea where what is.

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>How many barbarian population centers do we have? Or did we have everyone move to one big city?
One. Most of the barbarian tribes still stick to their nomadic heritage, with the city acting more like a central hub for trade and competition among the tribes. We did establish a mining outpost and it was gold. It's not considered a major place of residency though. Only the Bisonhorn reside there, which are the smith tribe. Sorta. As much a barbarians can be smiths.

>Speaking of tribes, which ones were there and what were their specialties? There was one which specialized in horseback riding (Horsehoof iirc), another in archery which I don't remember name of, another which delved in more sneaky and subtle stuff.
There were five six main tribes. The Bearclaw, which are the shock troopers and all around physical specialists. The Horsehoof are the horsemen. The Hawkeye are the archers. The Bisonhorn are the smiths. The Wolffang are the swarm it till it dies. The Snaketongue are the ambushers.

>How many armies did we make and how big were they? Who were the generals we appointed to them?
There are three total. Hated's contains 4,000 warriors. 3,000 of them are close-quarters fighter, all of them I personally enhanced, and the remaining 1,000 are archers. I have 100 of the shamans with me to, to provide sparks and usage of rituals. 7000 warriors are in the army heading up the coast to deal with the main military force of Everfrost, and the remaining 5000 are guarding the barbarian lands from incursions.

>How many shamans do we have and how are they distributed among the armies/cities?
There are a total of 350 shamans spread across the armies. 100 are with Hated, to act as magical artillery cannons and as a "food" source for Hated. Another 100 are with the other army, generally performing the same functions. The last 150 are aiding those back at the base camp.

>What kind of enchantments do our armies have?
Allmost exclusively armor and strength enhancements. In place of strength, the archers have magic which allows them to shoot faster.

The Pits Hated 2012/06/22(Fri)12:54 No. 56314 ID: a407a5
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Sorry for the occasional misspelling in the posts. I've been a little stressed do to work, but I figure a post with a few problems is better than no post at all... anyway, here some more random info.

The Pits are the birthplace of demons, or more appropriately, beings of chaos. While demons in and of themselves are often considered, they are, in fact, not. Instead, they represent chaos, adversity, and everything that causes mortals to create solutions, new ideas and even hope. To a demon, the ultimate wrong isn't being good, but rather being to set following laws. For them, the concept of freedom comes from the idea that they themselves should never have to follow laws, and believe that neither should others. They are, however, also extremely prone to murdering people, as conflict, bloodshed and war is one of the greatest mothers of invention and creativity.

The Pit itself is generally chaotic and ever changing. The landscape rarely stays the same for very long, and people have been known to lose track of where they are mere seconds after entering the place. The only stable area in the entire place is known as the palace of chaos, a giant fortress located in roughly the center of the realm(if it even has a center) and is the place where the the lords of chaos rule of the demon realm. Originally numbering 13, the lords of chaos currently have 9 of their members, the others going missing for unknown reason, although many suspect treachery and backstabbing among the arch-demons.

Out of curiosity, how many, on average, shamans is Isrenow worth in terms of spark generation?

Assuming you mean the average shaman, than anywhere between 90-100 shamans, give or take. I don't feel like calculating out how many exactly, but you get the idea.

Death, Undeath and The After Hated 2012/06/28(Thu)22:26 No. 56544 ID: a407a5
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Death is inevitable for nearly all living things. Even the gods themselves fear it, for while they are effectively immortal, their lives depend solely on the belief and strength of that which they represent. However, death isn't the end. At least, not in the sense that you cease existing. For most, death is simply the end of their vessel. The body is the only thing that truly dies. The mind and soul pass on, each heading, as a single unit, to the After.

The After is the place of rest, where ones soul and mind are freed from mortal whims and mortal worries. At least, that's what most people believe. In actuality, no one knows what the After is like. No one has ever gone to the After, living or dead, and returned to talk about it. The After is the ONLY realm of existence which literally nothing is known about, except it is the place you go after your death. Assuming you are most people.

For some few, usually those named champions of particular gods, they are allowed instead to travel to the domain of their god and live there, watching over those on the mortal plane and occasionally lending aid to those who support the interests of their god. This is uncommon however, especially because many gods detest naming champions for fear that their champion won't be able to rise to the tasks set before them.

Now onto the subject of Undeath. In the end, undeath is unheard of. Zombies, walking skeletons, undead masses of flesh, vampires, liches. None of these exist in the world. Why? Zombies and skeletons are more easily made as golems, so why bother using a piece of somethings soul? Vampire, a waste of time for something very limited in use. Liches? When mages die, it's usually not via magical suicide, and resurrection as a lich is impossible, as the soul is barely understood at all. Undeath is therefore unheard of, for the most part. People do have an idea of ghosts, but these are rarely seen, and almost considered mere legends. Undeath, therefore, would need something drastic to happen to introduce it to the world. Like say, an Invoker desperately invoking The Death in Reverse, in a foolish attempt to cheat death and save his twin...

So it occurs to me that we could simply... make an immortal to sacrifice to The Death. Too evil? Practical though, as unless there are requirements for the sacrifice that we aren't aware of, it'd take less than a year! Yeah... probably too evil.

And a question: can the one who places a geas remove it?

>>56679
Yeah, my first thought at "they need an immortal to sacrifice" was also "we can make immortals by having sex now!" Breed our own spell components for delicious profit in the form of divine favor. I'm not that concerned about being evil; all that really matters is that we maintain our power base effectively.

>>56679
Oooo... the kid thing. Yeah, that could be an issue, depending on who's kid(meaning the other parent) you decide to take and sacrifice. It won't end pleasantly. Either way, Hated probably won't ditch his first kid, it's something of a novelty to him and he would rather mess with it and see what happens then kill it for someone else's benefit(even if it indirectly benefits him). But yeah, second or third or however many after the first Hated won't find as interesting, so he'll probably not care what happens to them. Probably...

As for the geas thing, yes, a person can remove their own geas, although it can be very difficult and painful for both parties involved. Your effectively tearing away something that has been bound to ones soul, it isn't a pleasant process.

>>56687
>But yeah, second or third or however many after the first Hated won't find as interesting, so he'll probably not care what happens to them. Probably...
I find myself envisioning Hated ending up as the Godking from the Night Angel series, having hundreds of kids and then raising them to plot against and murder one another, basically for shits and giggles.

Heh. In regards of the other parent of the Immortal baby...

Can the batlady still breed? Because that's a pretty tidy solution if she'd agree to it.

No. She's undead at the moment, basically a soul and mind inside a dead(if preserved) body. Convenient in some ways, inconvenient in others. I would like to mention that she also doesn't produce sexual hormones, so Hated wouldn't react as strongly to her presence when his sex drive is turned on.

Pretty damn sure that fertility goddess will not be happy if we sacrifice any children we produce. You people should slap yourself for even thinking about such stupid suggestion

>>56731
She's a fertility goddess, not a family goddess. She should logically care about whether we have a lot of kids, not whether we kill a few of them off. Think of rabbits or mice or other creatures that are extremely fertile but abandon their young relatively soon and/or have them die in droves to predators- a goddess of pure fertility would think more in terms of that paradigm than in terms of raising limited numbers of children with love and affection. All that matters is baseline growth and net growth, not how you achieve it or if some of your kids die along the way.

Admittedly, if she's not a pure fertility goddess but has rather had other paradigms leak into her nature somehow, which seems likely given that she's fully personified, then there's no telling how she'd react.

How does the fact that Maria has two minds affect the Geas? Are both minds under it, or should we be worried that if the other mind assumes control it would be free of our influence? If so, can we bind it without it's consent, or find out information about it by summoning a servant of a truth god or something so that we'd at least figure out what we're dealing with?

>>56814
Given that the geas is placed on the soul, I wouldn't think so, unless minds are linked to souls.

So, another question: Are minds the same thing as souls, are they connected in some way, or are they distinct entities?

>>56814
This would depend on whether or not the mind is simply a fragment of Maria's already present mind, or something else altogether. To explain this better, if she was possessed by an angel or demon, then no, the geas would have no hold on said angel or demon. If she simply had multiple personalities, then the geas would still function as normal.

As for forcibly geasing(don't think that's a word, but fuck it) the other mind, well... that depends on WHAT the other mind is. If, somehow, Maria simply has another mortal mind/soul combo in there, than Hated could easily geas those to his will as well. If it's something else though... well, again, depending on what that other thing is, the circumstances and conditions change. I'll leave it at that for now.

>>56829
Souls are separate from minds, yet connected in that they influence one another. Magically, I think I've explained it. The mind shapes a spell, while the soul acts as the container and "shaping" chamber. An easy way to show this is demonic possession. A demon doesn't just merge with a human. He completely subdues the hosts mind and soul while keeping the body intact and ready for use. In this case, the mind and soul are simply pushed into an inactive state.

Would Hated be able to bind Tabi into a new body? He can bind angels, and he's got a summoning circle, so he should be able to, right?

He would, but... well, Hated isn't fond of TB, nor does TB want to meet Hated. Why that is you'll have to drag out of them yourself.

Classifications of Angels/Demons Hated 2012/08/01(Wed)16:44 No. 57950 ID: a407a5
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Both angels and demons, while being polar opposites on the scale of Order and Chaos, share certain similarities. They both exhibit proficiency in all three basic forms of magic, they both require the body of someone else to inhabit in order to sustain their existence on the mortal plain, and both generally try to use mortals to further their own ends.

Similarities in their system of classification also exist. Both use a three-tiered system, classifying the members of each race into either the lower house, the upper house, or a an arch-demon/angel. Naturally, Arch-demons and Arch-angels are leaders of their respective species, and usually there are a fairly limited number of them. For the other two classifications, however, there are a vast number of them.

The lower house, sometimes called the beast house, is where the weakest and more inhuman examples of each being is placed. Hellhounds, imps, sphinx, cherubim. All are considered to have... limited... intelligence, when compared to that of their upper house brethren. Most aren't even given names, although quite a few do end up elevating themselves to the upper house through their actions and the gaining of more intelligence. Usually this is accompanied by a change in their form.

The upper house is reserved for human looking angels and demons, and usually have intelligence far beyond that of an animal. They all each have individual names, and all generally have a goal they strive for, although overall they all aim for the same end goal. The upper house is what most think of when talking of demons and angels, and generally the upper house prefers to keep it that way, the lower house being seen as little more useful than dogs, suitable for hunting and guard duty at best.

Second Chapter Complete Hated 2012/08/19(Sun)19:47 No. 58985 ID: a407a5
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And that means...

Questions?

Comments?

Concerns?

Idle threats?

Not-so-idle threats?

You're not goin to take forever for the next chapter, are you?

Will you continue both this and Breaking Reality? If you intent to put this on hold, please say so.

Why are people sending vincent on a wild goose chase for the artifacts he hasn't researched, doesn't know how to use, and are currently in the hands of his mother? (also making befuddled comments as if some things are mysterious and misunderstood when in fact we know them?)

>>/questarch/434695
>>/questarch/438413

-We know his mother, TB is the unaffiliated angel who is researching creating artificial order; why did we waste our time asking an angel of records that (and he didn't know). Why did we tell vincent she is trying to become like him (she isn't)?
-TB probably has got all the artifacts except the one in the deadlands (as its the one she said she will only need for last phase of plan and that will be difficult to acquire)
-She warned us (and it was confirmed via summons) that going chaos will make him a nut.
-She wants to alter vincent to make him more ordered (either full order or balanced).
-(not a fact but most likely) She probably does care about him, just practices "harsh love" because of WHAT he is.
-Beloved, the first immortal, has a special mutual attraction with vincent and it gives her power over him.
-TB used her orb to hide the tower artifact where she is conducting her experiments from vincent.
-VML is first and only prince in line for the throne of the BSD - BIG DEAL, vincent does NOT know his father... Phrasing makes it sound like the lord of all -demons or something... We need to find out MORE about BSD. We can ask vincent and our angel and maybe summon some things.
-Could Vincent actually cooperate with his mother? If she is truly trying to balance his chaos seed...
-TB caims to be magically bound not to reveal a bunch of things.
-Angel bound to VML calls him "my god", claims to understand VML's nature now... somehow (and unexpectedly) bond to VML supercedes bond to tirfuldin!

Our Goals:
1. Fixing vincent internals is the top goal. Presumably by balancing his chaos and order (removing them entirely might make him mortal). The more sparks he eats the bigger the rift in his soul grows. BAD! (perhaps a link between BSD's demonic realm and mortal realm?) And also the more powerful his chaos seed grows (if it breaks the order shell he will become a full demon and go totally insane).
2. Find out way more info about vincent's nature and that of his father, and of his father's goals. So we can make an informed decision about #1. We should have done more summoning for that! (still can). Also ask angel bound to vincent to analyze him and present information.
3. We shouldn't push Isa too much by being overly cold to her, its an artificial persona draped on top of the MURDERER.
4. Eat more spirits (not souls, spirits... like the horse spirit and the tarot spirits... might gain more special unique abilities)
last: Do Vincent own goals

Vincent own goals:
1. Revenge - trivially easy; can be done on the side while achieving conquest.
2. Conquest - this means finding a way to defeat the angels.

Oh yea, TB warns that too many concurrent gates being open at once can do really bad things TM. Probably break reality or something... Lets pass this along to Vincent.

>>64876
better idea:open as many concurrent gates as possible

>>64880
TB's warning sounded like it will be reality breaking (since gates are tears in space-time) and she was NOT aware her son is the one opening them... only that SOMEONE was.

We lack too much info about hatred to seriously discuss the details of fixing him beyond "add order shard to make him balanced"...

So lets focus for a moment on Isrenow.
Moonsomething the insane elf immortal, took up the name and goal of MURDERER whose goal is genocide. Mindfucked by Melfosa over quite some time or whatever his name is, re-mindfucked by vincent.

So, what can we DO with her?
1. Turn her over to elves - Seems a huge waste.
2. Kill her - seems a huge waste
3. Summon an angel/demon into her - suggested by Vincent... why would that be better then summoning said angel/demon into a mortal?
4. Sacrifice her to death god for the life of your vampire servant - waste. better use an enemy. (mental note: Ask method, need to know if it can be done via combat).
5. Mind-alteration - Sensible thing to to do. However, it is a delicate and dangerous task so we probably don't want to risk too big a change.
6. Keep status quo - it works for now; But risky. Could be dispelled by someone... or over many years her mental state could stabilize in your favor strengthening current persona and slowly making it the "real" persona while dissolving the old "murder" persona. or vice versa (which is very bad for you). Also she might stabalize as Isrenow but have her love diminish over time due to Vincent being cold which is also bad.

I think the idea is a combination of 5 and 6.
But to what ends? Making her a servant is too big a change (too risky it will fall apart and reveal MURDERER), too questionable (requires major memory alteration), and her marriage to you is now too well known. So don't try that, keep her as a wife.
The goal should thus be: Make her into a wife that is stable, at least somewhat obedient, is still fun (enjoys going on murder dates), and who is not liable to revert into murderer persona.

Basically the plan as I see it is:
A. Learn mind magic (ironically its mainly from her). as much as you can... practice.

B. Gain access to her mind.
Method alpha: Convince her to willingly allow you access to her mind. Perhaps with "many of her memories were suppressed by the mage-lord and you were not powerful enough to reveal them before, but now that you are more skilled you would like her to trust you with the intimate task of recovering those." - not sure this is a good phrasing since she might get suspicious at us not revealing new memories...
Also risky as telling her her mind was modified might cause her to turn her abilities in on herself and MURDERER to break through; or she becomes suspicious and find out the truth from others.
Mitigating factor would be to have her use the truth sensing spell on us. We would thus need a good spiel of nothing but misleading truths and test it on someone with truth sense spell.
Method beta: drug her and then combine forces with your angel to brute force it together.

C. Concurrently work on her via both magic and psychological fronts.
Non magical: Work at keeping her affection. Do small nice things for her, lucky you small nice things is as easy as "hey sweety, lets go on a date to murder a bunch of people". Its really just tone, rather then ordering her to do stuff all the time, being cold, and focusing on things she doesn't like. Take her out to do fun stuff together; lucky you, you both enjoy murder.

Magical: Work on this together with the angel, hopefully you can even delegate most of the work here to the angel.
The first task once inside her mind is merely observing the status of the new persona vs the old and determining which one is growing in power. How drastic our changes need to be (if any are even required) depend on what we see there. Safely accelerating the transition from MURDERER to Isrenow is ideal as well as molding Isrenow to be more stable and less insane.
But bottom line is you plus your angel (only one trusted for this and should have the power to help) need to help stabilize her mind and make Isrenow grow into the new dominant personality while the old murderer dies out. Preferably slowly and slightly modifying Isrenow too to make her more sane and stable while keeping her skills.

I imagine that a major part of this process would be going through memories day by day from latest to older, removing the latest memories from murderer, modifying them as needed, and merging them into Isrenow. Until at the end nothing remains but Isrenow. Its a long term project, but the longer it goes on the better and a lot of the work. Ideally it can be delegated to angel to work on every night while Isrenow sleeps.

Ah, found it. Her original name was Kiliana Moontouched aka MURDERER.
>>/questarch/304320
>A very young(relatively) immortal calling itself Murderer has been going on a killing spree across Everfrost, apparently for the simple pleasure of killing everyone said immortal desires. The elves believe the immortal is one of their own, one Kiliana Moontouched. Her birth as an immortal being was foretold, and she was born, but she was off somehow. As she grew older, she became convinced humans were inferior to elves in every way, and that they should be wiped from the earth. When the elves tried to stop her, she killed them as well, coming to the conclusion that elves were too weak willed to do what must be done. Her killing spree started there, and has been going on close to 1000 years now. The elves ask that if I can, they would like her captured and returned to them. If not, I'm allowed to put her down.

So, eventually we might be asked to justify to them what is going on between us and her... (only explain if they ask!)
We could try to disguise her, problem is that she was seen by too many in her original form already, sticks included. (we might still try though... should we?)

Anyways, if the elves demand an explanation I suggest a mix of truth and half truth.

"Kiliana Moontouched is dead... Let me explain.

The mage-lords have taken to using a spark-stone which can store massive amounts of sparks. Raising the spark count of a mortal human master mage to the spark count of a demi-god.

Kiliana Moontouched aka MURDERER was captured by such a mage-lord who also specialized in mind-magic, who then along with a circle of his 20 subordinates pumping him with even more power has spent months and ridiculous amounts of magic and expertise replacing Kiliana persona with an artificially constructed one to serve him.

The rest of this long story is not important to inform you about like the nature of the spark-stones and I am busy so lets cut to the chase. He is dead, the Kiliana persona is dead. The body now belongs to Isrenow who is now a different person, and she is with me.

I strongly advise not discussing the previous owner of her body to her though... While she is far more stable now I am certain doing so will result in your death. (because if she doesn't kill them you will for messing it up)"

Anyone has critique on the details?

You probably wont even check this any more but i thought i should at least ask the author once. Do you have any plans to revive this quest? This was like my favorite quest on TG

You probably wont even check this any more but i thought i should at least ask the author once. Do you have any plans to revive this quest? This was like my favorite quest on TG