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119146 No. 119146 ID: bd5c42

Aaaand here's an official discussion thread at last. Here's where you can ask non plot-relevant worldbuilding questions, do extra strategizing, and I'll make inevitable excuses for why I haven't updated.

This time around, my update is late because I injured my back and my usual drawing posture is making it worse. Update will be up for real soon!
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No. 119147 ID: bd5c42

(Oh, and link to the quest if you need it: https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/851282.html )
No. 124949 ID: bd5c42
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As a way to rechristen this disthread that I have shamefully dug up from the dredges of the cemetery.....here are the official refs I've been working off for the girls' magical girl forms. This picture has only been up on my twitter until now so I figured it should probably get posted at some point.
No. 124950 ID: dbf422

Might as well use this for some clarification. I think I originally really misunderstood what guardian spirits were. Is the idea of guardian spirits that they're literally past lives?
No. 124953 ID: bd5c42

No problem, good question! Yeah, I actually left that deliberately pretty unclear at the beginning because guardian spirits tend to have pretty fractured memories, but I feel like it's worth it to elaborate now that that's sort of out in the open.

Guardian spirits are the spirits of previous generations of Sentinels. It's less of a reincarnation deal and more of a passing on of the torch, if that makes sense. Petra, as the current Sentinel Magenta, has the ability to hear spirits of all the previous sentinels of any color, which in theory is supposed to help her make more informed leadership decisions and in practice can be.....more than a little bit overwhelming.
No. 124954 ID: 4f1cbc

I imagine the existential horror of listening to a bunch of confused and forgetful and perpetually arguing ghosts and realizing that's going to eventually be your eternity doesn't help.
No. 124961 ID: dbf422

Okay, thanks for clearing that up! I appreciated the ambiguity but on a personal level I really do prefer to know for sure. My original reply for the "what do you remember" post would have been embarrassing if I hadn't guessed it right at the last second.
No. 124994 ID: 59e406


Yeah, I’m sorry for any confusion. The nature of the narration of this quest (that is, Petra doesn’t know jack shit) sometimes makes communicating information weird, but I’m trying to be a bit better about it. Otherwise, I will always be pretty direct in this thread about what your “character” does or doesn’t know here.
No. 125014 ID: dbf422

Okay, thanks! I need to read more closely, too, but I'll make sure to come here if I have questions.
No. 125018 ID: bd5c42

(Also hey, for the folks watching at home, this reply WAS me! I occasionally post in the disthread or as Lazarus from mobile, so my ID might be different. If someone pops up pretending to be me, trust me, I'll let you know.
No. 125025 ID: dbf422

I get it, I sometimes post while I'm at my campus so the same thing happens.
No. 125139 ID: bd5c42
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I was going to update tonight but I absolutely passed out after work so here have this instead
No. 125184 ID: 2202fb

Your characters seem kind of masculine... is that intentional? I know some quests really push the lgbt thing pretty hard. I personally dont have an issue with lgbt stuff in and of itself, but it kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth when something is just saturated in it.


Do all magentas use a blunt melee weapon? Cuz imo what would be ideal would be a gunblade. Kind of like this:


but using a double barrel shotgun that extends halfway down the blade rather than a revolver. That way you could take advantage of the momentum of the swing to reload quickly. Ofc since it is magic, just the action of opening and closing it would probably "reload" it.
No. 125189 ID: 09218b

Hey! So I’m not quite sure what you mean about my characters being masculine, since they’re magical girls and their entire thing is femininity as a weapon. The most masculine-presenting of the group, Brigid, is like, soft butch at best.

Unfortunately, if where I think you’re going with this is right, I’m going to have to disappoint you. I, the quest author, am a queer genderfluid person, and the characters in my quest reflect what the people in my life look like. So yes. My quest is LGBTQ as hell. Petra is queer and attracted to women and non-binary people, Brigid is a lesbian, and Imani is a bisexual trans woman.

If the saturation of queer stuff in this queer person’s comic is too much for you, I apologize, but this quest is probably not for you.
No. 125195 ID: 2202fb


I dont like it when quests have an agenda other than just being a quest.
If you plan on turning this into an anti-male, anti-hetero propaganda campaign, then yeah, i probably wont like it. I value the personality of characters more than their sex and gender, so if you plan on actually writing a story and making the characters more than just what they are attracted to and what is or isn't in their pants, then i am perfectly fine with whatever they are.

I have nothing against lgbt or lgbt people, but i dont like being a villain. I am a straight male and i try my damnedest to respect everyone as equally as i can, but as i said, i am a straight male and i hate being pigeonholed as the bad guy for simply existing.

As far as the story goes, i will say that having a lot of unrelated lgbt characters does seem kind of odd. While a group of them isnt so far fetched since birds of a feather flock together, having a bunch of randoms be gay and/or nonbinary would feel weird imo since they are a biological minority.

Honestly though, i'd much rather discuss the lore of your quest and hear what you think of my weapon idea than debate the sociopolitics of gender.
No. 125196 ID: 270774

i get you're trying to be diplomatic and that's a life skill and all but you don't have to apologize for shit imo. you're creating content for free and you don't have to pander to anyone. the concept that everyone being gay is somehow notable or distracting in any way in a fantasy quest where everyone has magic powers is laughable
No. 125199 ID: 2202fb


Then laugh, i guess. I am just voicing my opinion. I am not trying to harass anyone and I am not asking for apologies. I have no ill-will towards the quest or the author, I was simply making an observation. As for the masculinity, the characters are beefy: not fat, but broad. They dont have much in the way of curves, and those together to my untrained mind seemed masculine. Honestly idec if that is intentional or just the drawing style, i was just asking for clarification. I have been trying to be as civil and sensitive as i can whilst still saying what I wanted to say. I apologize if I seemed offensive or confrontational, it wasn't my intention. Indeed, the author doesn't need to apologize for anything, and you are correct in saying that my opinion is just that - an opinion, but i find your calling attention to this rather rude and demeaning, as if trying to invalidate my post entirely. I am rather sensitive however, so this could just be my imagination and if so, i apologize.

Again, i was just voicing my opinion and asking a question, I mean no disrespect towards the quest or the author.
No. 125201 ID: 70df1e


literally at no point did anything in the quest point to it being anti-male or anti-hetero? a cast of lgbt+ characters doesn't mean everyone else is inherently victimized my dude.

also just saying but like, starting with "i don't have a problem with lgbt quests, BUT here is my problem with lgbt quests" seems kind of passive aggressive, and so does the whole playing the victim thing? literally all the author did was make some lgbt+ magical girls and you're all in a tizzy about it. there was literally no reason to go out of your way to be like "hey i like this quest but dont make it TOO gay"


also saying that calling attention to this is "rude" and "demeaning" is also pretty much you playing the victim because you didn't like the response to being told that your behavior wasn't good. my dude, you started this by calling attention to something that totally wasn't an issue at all and making a big fuss about it.

if you start saying things like "dont saturate your quests with gay people" then of course people are going to tell you that your behavior and comments are unnacceptable, because they are. it doesn't matter if its "just an opinion". I hate to break it to you, but real life is also saturated with LGBT+ people.
No. 125202 ID: 4f1cbc

It could be the sentinels don't get much choice in their weapons. If it's just their powers (or the spirits) choosing something thematically appropriate or meeting unknown criteria that does limit their options for creativity or exotic min-maxing.

So far at least the villains have been a mass of brain tentacles and a girl with a gun.
No. 125205 ID: 90138c


guns and brains are masculine metaphors, duh. i mean a gun is basically just a penis that shoots death sperm, and a brain is basically just a scrotum filled with thought sperm......


On a more serious note though, coming into a thread to basically say "This thing you're making is too queer for my tastes, cater more to me as a straight white dude, queer nonbinary person" is almost comical in how... I'm trying not to say 'like an entitled baby' but I'm blanking on synonyms. It's tone deaf at the very least, and damn foolish by any other measure. Think before you post, maybe? Trying to immediately say "no offense intended!" is meaningless, when you step into someone's space like this.

Also, sexuality and gender presentation isn't biological ('sex' as we know it is a spectrum too, but that's a whole lecture), and I can guarantee that there's a lot more queer and nonbinary people around you than you think.

I get the feeling they just aren't comfortable talking about that around you, but what do I know I'm anonymous and petty as shit.
No. 125206 ID: 270774

i mean you clearly are sensitive if the existence of beefy women (who... exist irl, fyi, and are consistently delicious) in a work of fiction is enough to make you leap to a bunch of concerns about Anti-Male Anti-Hetero Propaganda Campaigns, but that's not necessarily a character flaw. sensitivity is fine. you don't come off confrontational, just unnecessarily whiny, because tgchan has always been full of gay shit. 99% of the people here are furries. idk if you just haven't been here long but like, this quest's general content isn't out of the ordinary, and coming into a disthread like "oooooh man, is this gay On Purpose, because i'm not gonna like that :/" is something i am naturally going to laugh at given the circumstances

anyway i know from experience that slapfights in a quest thread can be stressful for the author so that's all i'm gonna say about it, but again i'm just gonna assume you're new here bc otherwise there's no way you'd be surprised or put off by quest characters being blatantly gay/genderweird
No. 125207 ID: bd5c42

I guess all I’d like to say on this matter is that the villain of this quest is a lesbian, and that beyond that I think my work speaks for itself. If that’s going to be an obstacle to anyone’s enjoyment, they’re perfectly justified in not consuming my content, and I wish them all the best.

I don’t know how productive this particular conversation is, so if everyone’s okay with that, I’d like that to be the end of it for now.
No. 125210 ID: 2202fb

Good god, i dont have, nor have i ever had, anything against lgbt stuff. What i mean is when more focus is put on their lgbt status than the actual story, it gets kind of ridiculous in my ever so humble opinion. I am perfectly fine with non-binary characters.

As for the art, i am aware that there are large women irl and that is perfectly fine. What I was wondering is if it was just how they were drawn or if they were specifically drawn like that.
No. 125211 ID: bd5c42

Oh! Also, expect some elaboration on Sentinel weapons and powers in the next update!
No. 125212 ID: 2202fb

Still pushing the shotgunblade.

One thing i just noticed, you might want to use a different connection or device when posting as Lazarus since you can see the ID. Windscribe is a free vpn service that has seemed pretty reliable and safe when i have used it.
No. 125213 ID: 2202fb

Not that you need to. It would just add to the immersion/illusion imo.
No. 125214 ID: 70df1e


i don't know if that would work re: the VPN since we all already know that Lazarus is an official character. it might be easier to keep using the same posting method so that all the readers have an easier time knowing that Lazarus is part of the plot and not just like, an ordinary commenter.

that's a good idea to keep in mind for other quests, though! that could have some very neat applications.
No. 125215 ID: bd5c42

Yeah, this is pretty much my rationale. Well, that and I'm pretty lazy. But there may be other spirits played by me that pop up in the future, and I want everyone to be clear on which characters ARE gm-played

That said, it's worth noting that every suggester is a canon character and a part of the plot.
No. 125261 ID: bd5c42
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No. 125274 ID: 70df1e

i am LOVING that we get to make sentinel sonas lads. im gonna draw mine eventually i hope!

gonna babble about my sona and you guys should tell more about yours too!! i wanna hear em all!

mine is a yellow from ancient greece! they were primarily a tank and worked with a hoplon (round, ancient shield) and a spear to keep enemies distracted and draw their attention so that their team could focus on dealing damage.

sentinel yellows get fire powers, so i took that a step further to adapt to the time period and went with greek fire! it was cool stuff that we haven't even been able to replicate in modern times! it burned on water, and was used to win a lot of their naval battles historically!

fun history fact: greeks who fought with a sword and spear were called hoplites! it was considered super dishonorable to lose your shield for any reason, and shields were often used to carry the dead/wounded back from battle. loved ones used to tell soldiers "come back with your shield, or come back on it!" before they went to battle!
No. 125276 ID: 4f1cbc

Are we limited to the sentinel colors / names that have been defined, or is there a wider roster to choose from?
No. 125278 ID: bd5c42

The former, I'm afraid. There may or may not have been other people out there fighting under other colors (unfortunately, I can't really go into that,) but Petra is only connected to the CMYK sentinels.
No. 125279 ID: 70df1e


i THINK its just the four colors and it seems like anything from the present and backwards into the past works? but that's just my best guess, since all the spirits are dead sentinels. CYMK seems like a set, like the printer inks, so if there are more colors i don't think they'd get to be spirits for a magenta?
No. 125280 ID: 70df1e


i was too slow! glad to know i wasn't super off base though!
No. 125336 ID: bd5c42

I want it stated on the record that I extremely encourage roleplaying and I love all of you who've gone that route so far. The more awful and chaotic Petra's head feels, the merrier.
No. 125368 ID: bd5c42
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Happy New Year! (Technically I should have put this out last night, but I was occupied, haha.)

Of course, in Sentinel Key time, it's still like...November/December but in REAL time it's Rosh Hashanah, so here's a little something.

Have a good one, and I'll get an update out later today or tomorrow!
No. 125375 ID: 7c0194

Happy Rosh Hashanah to you too!
No. 125414 ID: dbf422

I am late, but I'd like to wish you a happy Rosh Hashanah too.

Also I would like to say that this quest is very Good™.

And that I enjoy the opportunity to make a character.
No. 125422 ID: ce950c

Thanks! It means a lot to me when I see other people enjoying my work. :)
No. 125423 ID: ce950c

(Also, you won't get this from Janus, but the real reason for the CMYK color scheme is.....because quietCrisis likes it and thinks it looks good, haha. I don't have a good in-fiction justification for that.)
No. 125424 ID: afdebc

I figured the naming/color scheme was more likely to have an OOC basis, but it's fun to give Janus shit over it regardless.
No. 125496 ID: 094652

I'm sorry

I didn't mean to insult anyone, I just have trouble thinking about what I'm saying.
No. 125497 ID: ce950c

I'm sympathetic to this, as someone who has a mental disability myself, but you have to also understand that how I, as a mentally disabled person, can't welcome you into my story after coming into my thread with language that vile and hateful. My decision stands, but I hope you take this as an opportunity for growth.
No. 125567 ID: ce950c

Hello suggesters dear! Here's something exciting: I have a curiouscat! (I've actually had it for a while but oh well, it's new to you.) If you've got questions that aren't directly related to Sentinel Key lore or that you just don't want to put in the disthread for some reason, check it out right here!


I'm giving you guys the ability to be anonymous because I know people might want it in certain situations, so please nobody ruin it for everyone else.

If I get anything particularly relevant to the quest, I'll probably drop the answers in here as well!
No. 125944 ID: ce950c
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Hearts Goetia......heard of it?

I made a joke about drawing all the main Sentinel Key crew as demons (and one angel) from Hearts Goetia, and then.....I spent all week doing it. Whoops.

I've just come back from vacation, so regular updates will resume shortly.
No. 126001 ID: 1872dc

There's a lot about this that I really enjoy. And too much of that is shipping with the HG cast, I'm sorry.

Glad you're back!
No. 126035 ID: ce950c

Ohhhh my god this is amazing and please tell me your hearts goetia/sentinel key crossover ships
No. 126038 ID: 1872dc

oh no

Ok. Ornias x Petra and Imani x Eligos are like

No. 126043 ID: 3a4f06

No. 126074 ID: 8179e9

I am ALL aboard the S.S. Or X Petra

(You don't know this yet but Ornias is unfortunately VERY Petra's type)
No. 126079 ID: 1872dc

No. 126389 ID: 986b2d

Hey, I'm sure y'all're wondering what's up with this quest with the launch of my new quest, Paradise found (go read it it's at https://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/909541.html ) but worry not! Sentinel Key is not on hiatus or going away! I'm going to give this update a few more days, so if you're working on an outfit submission you have a little more time. I'm hoping to update PF during the periods when I'm usually working up motivation to work on Sentinel Key, since the art on this one is a lot more complex and labor-intensive.
No. 126431 ID: 1872dc

I'm excited to see how the outfits turn out. But yeah, it's cool that there's another thread in your style I can follow in between Sentinel Key updates!
No. 126648 ID: 986b2d

Apologies for the brief absence! This update is my Hannukah present to you (I'd draw a card or something but I'm too worn out from drawing all these fancy outfits lol)
No. 126649 ID: e0ca8d

They are very fancy outfits! Glad Hamlet was chosen, it's very cool.
No. 127375 ID: 986b2d
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Heya! I'm trying to be a little less inconsistent when I draw the SK panels so behold: an actual model sheet! Hopefully this is the first of many, and I'll post them in case people need the reference for some reason.
No. 127587 ID: 986b2d
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Okay for real, update soon I swear. But in the meantime, here's another reference sheet.

Imani is definitely the character I struggle to draw consistently the most. Her hair texture and body type seem to fluctuate all over the place when I draw her, so getting a reference sheet for her done was probably a good idea. I also tweaked her design a little, although that probably won't come up till the party's over.
No. 127595 ID: afdebc

No transformation ring noted in that one. Do they have different mechanics, or is the placement of hers just easier to remember?
No. 127600 ID: 158da5

I like the tweaked design a lot!
No. 127641 ID: 986b2d

Imani and Brigid both have transformation rings too! And I forget to draw them with just as much frequency, so they probably should be noted on all of the sheets, but I didn't bother because it's already noted on Petra's.

When transformed, the rings become those symbol-shaped charms on their chests, so any time I didn't draw them in transformed mode was NOT a mistake. However, I'm constantly leaving out Petra's weird bracelet-ring-charm thingy and the bow on her back.

(her losing her jacket in the first fight WASN'T a mistake but I probably should have drawn more attention to it.)
No. 128523 ID: 986b2d
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Hey guys, sorry I haven't updated in a while. Quest is still alive, I've just, uh. [sweats] I have been busy with some very important personal business that I'm sure you'll never guess.

I'll be updating as soon as i can claw my way out of this hole, and that's a promise.
No. 128524 ID: 986b2d
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No. 128527 ID: c8452a

Don't worry, I understand.

Resident Evil 2 is incredible, after all.

I'll get through CoM someday I swear it.
No. 128761 ID: 986b2d
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I drew this whole ass update forgetting that Vermillion and Petra were wearing masks.....
No. 128785 ID: c8452a

That's just extra content
No. 128786 ID: c8452a

Also I'm a real fan of this Doublet Mask.
No. 128801 ID: 986b2d

Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the story so far also- I realize I've lost some readers either bc of the tonal shift going into this Mystery Masquerade or because of my sporadic update schedule so I really appreciate you sticking with Sentinel Key all this time.
No. 128802 ID: c8452a

And that's a shame because it's one of the best quests here. I really enjoy your writing.
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