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1035326 No. 1035326 ID: 8483cf

Lazy Wiki: https://questden.org/wiki/Lazy_Fairy

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Can I manage my finances, a fox spirit and my own stress levels without accidentally burning my bakery down… again?
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No. 1053331 ID: a7a180

Cat Dotti. Polka-dot fur. Dragon Dotti. Elf Dotti.
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No. 1053332 ID: dee951

>>1053328

Heterochromia! Fancy colors for the eyes, different for each! Maybe experiment with pupil shape? Like more rounded or slitted, or try exotic things like w or crescent shaped?
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No. 1053333 ID: dee951

>>1053330

She could try for a maned wolf or a dhole, those look kinda like a big fox!
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No. 1053335 ID: 629f2e

Big ol' fox! Big fluffy fox that you could use as a bed!
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No. 1053336 ID: ebc6d7

Leggies! Trying making your legs long for dainty steps.
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No. 1053337 ID: e5709d

* Durr hurr giant dumb ugly fairy and mock Landi.
* Foxtaur with a fifth leg! Oh wait, that's not a leg~
* Catfox - hard to tell where the cat begins and the fox ends, but the harder the humans look the stupider they get.
* Spy frog with a manly tie.
* You're a sexy fish and totally not an undead cat-naga with a huge ass.
* Dwarf.
* Drow-Dwarf hybrid.
* Puppy that meows.
* Cat with a donkey face.
* Sqid without the calming facemask.
* The evil things that killed you but now they're fluffy and have big eyes and bigger boobs.
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No. 1053338 ID: 26634e

Be fluffy and beeg! The if its too unfortunate, become smol. You can even adjust your shape after so you are only 80% feral instead of 95%!
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No. 1053339 ID: d98cb8

Those colors are great but you might look fantastic in a bright red and white, Dotti. You're already fluffier than a certain other fox, after all. Maybe you can outdo her on her own colors even.
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No. 1053340 ID: 1c0658

A gnome! A gnome!

It's like a human but small and with a fluffy beard.
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No. 1053342 ID: e51896

You know... maybe if its easier for Dotti to shapeshift into things she is familiar with, like things she sees in the wild, maybe... we can suggest she tries shapeshifting into Petra? She knows Petra really well, and is even using Petra's voice to talk. So if she can replicate her voice real well, Maybe she can... have an easier time becoming human by shapeshifting into Petra?

Of course, only suggest this when she's comfortable enough doing that after she practices with other forms. Let her know she doesn't have to do that today, but only when she is ready. Let her know she can do this to help people get a visual of what she looks like too in order to get help finding her.
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No. 1053344 ID: 53560f

It is time to be looooooooooong!
You ever seen those long silly dogs? Well it’s time for long silly fox.

It is also time for glitter.
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No. 1053345 ID: 15c72a

>>1053328
Become snek.
lizard
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No. 1053353 ID: 87e33c

>>1053339
>>1053342
I support any of these two and also just make a midget sized dotti to make fun of her like >>1053337 said bc that'd be hilarious and also would canonize chibi landi.
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No. 1053355 ID: dee951

How about 'fox version of other creatures'? Like a fox with accents from other creature types? If an elf is basically an angular, svelte human with a slightly differently shaped face, bigger and pointier ears, and slightly different proportions, what would an elf version of a fox be?

>>1053336
>>1053335

Ahem. A Maned Wolf is kind of like a big fox but BIG and with BIG LONG LEGS!
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No. 1053416 ID: 8483cf
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1053416

“Have you ever seen a maned wolf?” I ask. Dotti shakes her head. “Well, they look a little similar to you, but their legs are very, very long. And they’re very large.”

“I can be bigger?” Dotti asks. “Why would I want to do that? I wouldn’t be very good at hiding in my den.”

“When you’re big, you don’t need to hide,” I point out. Dotti cocks her head to the side. It’s good logic, but it’s dragon logic. She’s a fox. Will she like it?

Apparently, the answer is yes. She scrunches up her features, closes her eyes, doubtlessly imagining herself larger and long-legged. No need to hide. No need to run. Just Big Fox.

This is the first time I’ve seen a fox spirit transform. It’s different than a dragon’s way of changing shape. There’s no fire or heat like when I transform. Just a tingling at the base of my spine, and a pressure at my back, like there’s a supernatural wind blowing that I can’t feel physically. Dotti’s shape swirls and her colors whirl together and back, as if someone took a brush and dragged it across the canvas of her fur, blurring her into something unbound by reality. The only thing that doesn’t change or contort is the bow on her head.

She settles into a very large fox shape, larger than any dog I’ve ever seen.

“How do I look?” Dotti asks.

“You look incredible,” I say. “Go on, see for yourself.”

Dotti looks in the mirror and lets out an excited yap.

“I’m so pretty!” Dotti gushes. “I’m so pretty and big!”

What comes next is a rush of Dotti gekkering loudly, running around my flat and proclaiming her mastery of shapeshifting.

She’s a spirit, and I wonder if that means her forms are more flexible than mine. If so, I don’t have to worry about teaching her the right biology, so much as encouraging her and keeping her in the right mindset and not getting stuck in one particular form. As long as she isn’t worried about getting stuck, hopefully it won’t become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

“Have you ever seen those funny little dogs that look like sausages?” I ask.

“Yes!” Dotti says. “Why are they like that? What are they good at?”

“Being cute,” I say, “And getting tummy rubs.” I decide not to mention that they’re also good at diving into fox dens.
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No. 1053417 ID: 8483cf
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1053417

“I enjoy both those things,” Dotti says. She squints her eyes and draws more energy from that otherworldly source, and her form once again blurs.

She gets longer.

And longer.

And longer.

“Now I will have ALL the tummy rubs,” Dotti declares. She rolls over and demands rubs. “None for dogs. Only foxes.”

I begin to rub her tummy and quickly realize that I have a lot of work to do.

Dotti looks into the mirror and her imagination runs wild. As I rub my way up the Dotti Tummy River, every time her eyes blink, her irises change color and shape.

That level of flexibility is a little too much for me see and not be jealous. That’s something Cadmus did when we were kids, just to show off. She’s doing it without even knowing how hard it is for non-spirits.
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No. 1053418 ID: 8483cf
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1053418

I finally finish petting Dotti, and she shrinks back into her regular fox shape. Except this time, she’s flickering between different sets of fur colors. Once again, her bow stays the same color: pink with white dots.

“Now I’m not only the best fox,” she says, “I’m the best fox spirit, too! Look at me, Kayk! Anything those old fox spirits can do, I can do just as good!”

“You sure can,” I say. “You’re a full-fledged fox spirit!”

Her confidence is inspiring. I don’t think I should push the envelope yet; a full human transformation might make her come crashing down. For the moment, it’s a small risk to ask, but I do have to see if she’s willing to go back to her halfway-human form. I know she sees it as a failure, but if I can change her opinion…

“I can be whatever kind of fox spirit I want to be,” Dotti says proudly.

Aha!

“And what kind do you want to be?” I ask.

“The best,” Dotti says.

“Can the best fox spirit draw?” I ask.

“I guess?” Dotti cocks her head to one side. “I’d need thumbs for that.”

“And you’d need to reach the easel,” I say.

“I can do that,” Dotti says. She looks at herself. “I could try going back to my… my weird body. But now that I’m the best fox spirit, I can be even better at… uh… doing fox spirit things. So I don’t have to go back to my messed-up body. I can change it. I can make it better.”

“Your body wasn’t messed up,” I say. “I’ll say it again: it was very, very good for a first try. And our customers love to see you. They don’t think you’re messed up.”

Dotti doesn’t respond.

For now, Dotti’s not focusing on human things; she’s focused on being a fox spirit, and she doesn’t even know what fox spirits do, aside from what she’s been told. I get the feeling this is a very important moment.
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No. 1053421 ID: 8483cf
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1053421

“Now that you’re the best fox spirit,” I say, in my best imitation of my mom when she’s trying to teach me something, “Would you like to try a form that makes you better at doing things you like to do?”

“Yeah!” Dotti says. “Uh… like cooking! I need fur that won’t shed. No hairnets ever! I hate hairnets. I would like cooking a lot more without those.”

“We can practice that,” I say. “What else?”

“I want to go on dates where I don’t get rejected!” Dotti says. “Humans like big boobs, right? If I had huge boobs, Otis wouldn’t have left.”

“That’s… probably not true,” I say. “Otis seemed like he wanted to talk to you more than anything else. If you have great conversations with your date, that makes it more fun for him, and you know in advance if they’re not enjoying it.”

“Humans are so complicated!” Dotti huffs. “I’m never going to understand them. They should try to understand me!”

“There are plenty of humans who would like to try,” I say. “But relationships have to be based on communication. You can look like whatever you want, but at the end of the day, if you, Dotti, don’t try to talk with and understand your date, things will go badly.”

“I guess,” Dotti says. “But… I know for sure that dates will be easier if I have huge boobs. Serah has them and boys are always asking her to go out on dates.”

“She’s also very polite and kind,” I say. Dotti growls. “Do you want to try looking and acting more like Serah?”

“Serah is really tall,” Dotti says. “None of my clothes would fit.”

“You don’t have to wear clothes,” I say, waving at myself. “Not when you’re covered in fur or scales, or when you’re trying on a new form. I won’t make fun of you, if that’s what you’re worried about.”

“No! No way! Not happening. Everyone makes fun of naked people,” Dotti says. “I have to wear clothes.”

“Sure, sure. I have clothes,” I say. “Do you want to try some of mine?”

“Do you have dresses?”

“Some,” I say. “If you’re about my height, we can make it work.”

“Then…” Dotti scrunches her eyes. “I want to try the new non-shed fur in my messed-up body. Just a bit.”

“It’s not messed-up,” I remind her. “If you make a few changes, would you feel better about using it?”

“What kind of changes?” Dotti asks.

Suggest changes for Dotti to try in her halfway-human form.
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No. 1053423 ID: a7a180

Dotti is right on the money, enhance knockers. Serah's wardrobe is often phasing out old things, right?
But you can't have a carrot without some stick. Perhaps a longer snout and more fangs would align her physicality more with her personality.
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No. 1053426 ID: 15c72a

>>1053421
Bigger ears.
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No. 1053435 ID: e51896

If Dotti feels comfortable with larger breasts, then let her. But warn her not to go overboard or they might get in the way, and you might not have a bra to fit her if she goes bigger than you.

She can probably make her chest fluffy again if she wants tho. Dotti seemed to love being fluffy.

But my main suggestion: lets give her a new hairstyle. make her hair straighter (not curly) put it about... neck length. have most of the hair dangle on one side of her hair... basically make it like Petra's! https://questden.org/kusaba/questarch/src/162148405228.png
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No. 1053437 ID: 24dd1a

>>1053426

Fennec Ears!!!
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No. 1053471 ID: b19d77

>>1053421
If Dotti thinks having bigger assets would help with her dating and feels comfortable with it so be it, but remind her that people should like her for who she is not for what she looks like, if she still wants to be with someone that would always accept her even as a small fox whenever she wants to be.
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No. 1053473 ID: e51896

>>1053471
Yeah, it's important to bring that up too. Let her know that people shouldn't just love her for er appearance, but for her personality, because there are some creeps out there that only cares about a person's appearance, and nothing else.
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No. 1053474 ID: dee951

Well, it's *useful* to be able to do a form that's 'conventionally attractive' for the local human society. That's definitely a skill to have for her hybrid form, when she wants to get a form that passes as 'obviously adult', ie, of the same size and height and build as fit and healthy humans in the area. But there's not a lot of hurry to do that until she's physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, and sexually interested in adult sorts of relationships. Maybe just practice a little bit here and there, for use in the future when those things matter? As one of those things to 'have but not need yet', perhaps? But for now, there's nothing wrong with leaning into the child-like adorableness thing as her default!
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No. 1053486 ID: 3fe471

If she gives herself big boobs, then remind her to keep them proportional to the rest of her body. In other words, don't make them so big that they get in the way and try to keep them at a size that fits her body.
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No. 1053488 ID: 3fe471

>>1053486
Also, not everyone would be interested in big boobs. Sometimes people are more interested in big butts/hips/thighs. But again, keep it proportional to the rest of her body, nothing too big and make sure it fits the rest of her body.
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No. 1053495 ID: 629f2e

Dotti should mimic Kayk's proportions, since Kayk is right here to use as reference.

Big fluffy booty.
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No. 1053496 ID: dee951

>>1053486

And also one thing to keep in mind that there's probably an 'optimal' size (of body, butt, height, hips, boobs, chunkiness) for 'beautiful sexually mature female human', and that size probably varies from culture to culture. Maybe make it a learning question -- what does she thinks the local standards for human beauty actually are, and why does she think that, from her observations of people interacting?
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No. 1053500 ID: e5709d

See if she can give her breasts a storage ability to suck up fluids, purify them, and 'expel' them. Internal tissue should be 'spongy' to hold more fluid.

Also, add some cat features.
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No. 1053501 ID: dee951

>>1053496

Oh I came up with a few more things. How about facial symmetry, waist to hips ratio, bodyfat percentage, unblemished skin and the like? Or evidence of using some form of cosmetic magic whose only use is to visibly differentiate those with wealth from those without wealth? There's lots of interesting and truly weird ways humans make up their standards of beauty.
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No. 1053783 ID: 8483cf
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1053783

“There are plenty of ways to change your appearance while keeping it close to what you’re used to,” I say. “Different hairstyles, bigger ears, maybe you could even change their shape to be like a fennec fox instead of a regular one?”

“Fennecs…” Dotti’s ears twitch. “Fennecs are dorks. What else?”

“Well,” I put a claw to my chin, “You’ve always said how much you enjoy being fluffy. Maybe you could be even fluffier?”

“Yeah!” Dotti says. “And I know just where to put it!”

“About that…” I add. “If you want to try larger breasts, go ahead. But just remember that there are plenty of people who might treat you nicely just because you have them, and not care about who you are as a person.”

“How can you tell the difference?”

“By talking,” I say. “That’s why conversation is such a big part of dating.”

“So if I’m good at conversation and have huge boobs,” Dotti says, “Then I’ll have the best boyfriend?”

“I suppose,” I say. “But ‘best’ is different for everyone. You should always-“

“Sure, sure,” Dotti interrupts. She leaps atop her blanket fort. “Can you get me some of your clothes that’ll fit BIG boobs?”

I roll my eyes and go to fetch an outfit, feeling that familiar rush of wind behind me. She seems enthusiastic about the idea of changing shape back to her old form; is she going to be okay? As it turns out, I needn’t have worried. By the time I get back, she’s back to her halfway-human form, wrapped in her blanket bunker, and grinning madly.

“I did it!” Dotti declares. “Gimme those, and turn around!”

I give her some privacy as she dresses up, and once she gives the okay, I turn around.

“Ta-da!”

“Con…gratulations,” I say. “Ah… they’re very nice.”

“Thank you,” Dotti says. “I’m keeping them!”

“Even when you have to help bake? And clean the oven?”

“How hard can it be? It’s just a little bouncing.”

I decide to let Dotti make her own mistakes. Besides, we have a full day tomorrow where the bakery’s closed. I’m sure she’ll find out fast enough.

The day is over, and Dotti is exhausted from all her shapeshifting. We hit the hay and fall into a deep sleep.

Dotti has lost 40 STRESS from being pampered and overcoming her fear of shapeshifting.
Kayk has lost 10 STRESS from gaining some confidence in Dotti.

KAYK STRESS: [53/100]
DOTTI STRESS: [23/100]


We wake up a little later than normal; the day is ours to spend. Dotti and I get dressed; she’s wearing the same oversized outfit as yesterday.

I should teach her about how to handle difficult situations with the oven, the specifics of the extinguisher system, and other emergency preparedness at some point today. However, Dotti is excited to show off her newfound shapeshifting powers to Serah, and I expect she’ll want to renegotiate her contract too. However, if she and I get tired today, we might not have the energy to argue with Landi.

I also need some help collecting fresh ingredients for another week of business, and the sooner we get to the suppliers at the market, the better pick I’ll have. I suspect that Dotti will quickly realize the difficulties of being so blessed, but I’d honestly rather not have her deal with it in public.

Should we first:

1. Go Through Oven Training and Emergency Preparedness
2. Reserve Fresh Ingredients for Baking
3. Go visit Serah and Landi
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No. 1053785 ID: befea9

Reserve ingredients, go over oven preparedness, and then talk with Landi.
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No. 1053786 ID: 629f2e

2, 3, 1

Start with the ingredients to be safe. Don't open the door for failure, it will gladly come. Request that Dotti go for a smaller chest size for just this trip. They don't gotta be as small as before, but keeping them that big will be a problem. You can try to explain why, but if she doesn't take to the answer just promise she can amp them back up before you go to see Serah and Landi.

Afterwards, Serah and Landi time! You promised you'd do this, so you can't risk getting tired and not being able to maintain your agreement.

And finally, end the day off by teaching her what she needs to know about the oven.
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No. 1053788 ID: e51896

3, then 1, then 2

3 to get the contract stuff settled while we're not tired, then 1 to get us prepared to pass the test the next day while we still have energy left, and then get food. We might not get super fresh food for our business, but I think if our performance with the Marquess goes well, it won't matter too much as we'll get more customers regardless if word spreads.
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No. 1053789 ID: 36784c

>>1053783
2, 1, 3

>>1053788
>We might not get super fresh food for our business, but I think if our performance with the Marquess goes well, it won't matter too much as we'll get more customers regardless if word spreads.
We need the fresh ingredients for the entire week. We can't let our business suffer for an entire week.

Also, not having fresh ingredients will also impact our performance with the Marquess and she might look at us negatively if our food isn't great due to not very fresh ingredients.
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No. 1053853 ID: dee951

>>1053783

2, 1, 3 for the order
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No. 1053983 ID: 12b116

>>1053783
1,2,3
We need to explain the importance of showing the fire marshal that Dotti knows what to do
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No. 1054412 ID: 8483cf
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1054412

As much as I’d like to avoid having Dotti Problems in public, I need to reserve the choicest ingredients for the next week. Not only will it affect the freshness of my fruit pastries and batter, I’ll need every advantage I can get in order to stand up to Marquess Mallory’s scrutiny. After that, the next highest priority should be to ensure Dotti is fully paying attention for my safety lecture. She already knows how to operate the oven, but she’ll need to remember some very fine details for the Fire Marshal’s quiz tomorrow. I’ll be tired at the end of it all, so I won’t be on my A Game for negotiating Dotti’s contract with Serah today.

Dotti and I venture out to select ingredients from the early morning market. I consider leaving her at my flat, but I’ll need the extra hands to carry as much as possible; the extra stuff will be delivered later, for a fee. And so the problems commence.

Dotti’s new enhancements are getting quite a lot of attention. I only own one bra that I never use, and it’s not even close to fitting Dotti’s size, so she’s on her own, so to speak. For what it’s worth, Dotti is enjoying herself. I try to ignore her, but the early-morning merchants we pass are doing double-takes strong enough to snap necks.

“Your strawberries from last week were very good,” I say to one of my favorite merchants. “Do you have a new batch?”

“You’re just in time,” she says. “And, ah, I don’t remember your companion having those watermelons last week. That’s quite a harvest.”

“Thank you!” Dotti says. “I grew them myself!”

“Dotti, keep your voice down,” I whisper.

I try haggling for the rest of the ingredients, using Serah’s suspicion that I’m paying more than the guild rates. I don’t have any luck, though. Does the Bakers’ Guild have a secret agreement with the merchants that they get the best price? Maybe. I’ll have to ask Serah about how to try and get that rate.

Dotti and I carry as much as we can back to the bakery. At first, Dotti is having fun balancing her payload on her chest, but as she goes on, the weight gets harder to bear. She’s straining to keep upright as we get back to the bakery, and when we set everything down, she lies right down on the floor.

“You know,” I say, “You don’t have to keep those all day. Maybe just shrink down, and then go back up when you want them?”

“No way!” Dotti says. “These are my boobs and I’m proud of them. I want Serah and Landi to see how good I’ve become at shapeshifting.”

“Okay,” I say, but I don’t point out the obvious flaw in her logic. Maybe she’s afraid she won’t be able to get her shapeshifting right today, even though she had such a good run yesterday. Better not to press.

I spend hours with Dotti putting away the ingredients and going over the details of the dragonfire oven and its very highly-regulated extinguishing system. It’s cheaper and easier for me to run than a regular oven, since it’s my own fire and it burns hotter with less fuel. However, if I have to use the extinguisher in an emergency, the cleanup is difficult and expensive, so she has to get it right. Plus there’s all the extra scrutiny from the Fire Marshal. By the time she gets all the questions right and has it memorized, we’re both mentally worn down, but satisfied.

Kayk and Dotti have gained 7 STRESS.
KAYK STRESS: [60/100]
DOTTI STRESS: [30/100]

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No. 1054413 ID: 8483cf
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1054413

Now all that’s left to do is bring Dotti back to the Adventurers’ Guild, and for me to make good on my agreement to ask Serah and Landi to give Dotti more freedom under her contract.

This is a big moment for Dotti. She’s proud of her progress in shapeshifting, but as we prepare to go back, she’s hesitating, looking at her chest and outfit. I ask her what’s wrong.

“I’m worried,” Dotti says, “I want to show how I’ve gotten better at shapeshifting when we talk to Serah and Landi, but… I feel comfiest in my old pink dress, and that doesn’t fit me like this. And I don’t want to be a fox when we’re talking about how I fit in with society and why my contract is bad.”

“That’s very wise,” I say. “If you like, we can leave after you’ve slimmed down and changed into your old outfit.”

“But then how would I show off my shapeshifting to Serah and Landi?”

“You can, but you don’t truly have to,” I say. “You said it yourself: I’ll be talking about how you’ve done very well at your job, and how you can be trusted to conduct yourself well around difficult customers, like those teenagers.”

Dotti wrings her paws. “I guess.”

She’s nervous. It’s understandable. I’m also a bit worn down, so I’m not as sharp at arguing in Dotti’s favor as I could be otherwise. I don’t know the terms of Dotti’s contract, but I know Landi’s rights should be slimmed down so she can’t bully Dotti like she has been.

This is it: the renegotiation. This is a big moment for Dotti.

1. Does Kayk provide any suggestions for how Dotti can show off her shapeshifting, or does she encourage Dotti to not show off at all?
2. Having spent more time with Dotti, does Kayk push for more freedoms under Dotti’s contract? Does she consider asking to end Dotti’s contract entirely?
3. What other things can Kayk do to strengthen Dotti’s negotiating position?

Lazy Fairy POV 6 will update in one week. Suggest wisely.
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No. 1054610 ID: 1371b2

Okay so here’s what I’ve got.
Dotti should show off her shapeshifting, and I see a relatively easy way to cut the cord between the pink dress being comfy versus shapeshifting the extra fluff-throw up an illusion of the fox wrapped in a blanket while Dotti changes clothes.
This nicely could dovetail into agreeing to a new clause of not using shapeshifting or illusions to impersonate other people-Dotti’s not interested or hasn’t thought of that, and it might give wiggle room to argue for reduced Landi favors. Possibly with the idea that it can be allowed if Dotti receives permission from someone else in the contract.
Another thought- if we can’t argue down the amount of favors, a compromise of Dotti being able to ‘veto’ a favor, in exchange for owing more favors that can be called in. I’m thinking something like ‘if Dotti vetos a Landi favor, she’ll owe someone else in the contract a favor’. This might be a good idea to push for on it’s own merit, since it actually lets Dotti engage with other people with a mindset of treating them as people, instead of simply bosses giving her orders.
On that note, we might be be able to add Kayk as someone Dotti owes favors to, since Serah is busy these days and getting favors away from Landi seems to be the major sticking point.
No changing the freedoms on following laws, though.
So to try and summarize:
1.Show off Shapeshifitng, with illusions to maintain decency.
2.possibly insert Kayk as someone Dotti can owe contract-backed favors to, ideally in exchange for Landi, but we will have to talk about that. Also, we should check with Dotti about owing favors to Kayk
3.Argue for vetoing specific favors in exchange for more favors later-probably a limit of so many vetoes a day, but favors that are vetoed are lost for the day-run this idea by Dotti first since it will mean having to discuss this and May mean more favors given overall.
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No. 1054618 ID: e5709d

Dotti needs vacation days on her favors - days where she isn't obligated to stay on beck and call for Landi, even for three tasks.

Ban the use of sexual favors and murder favors, which aren't supposed to be legal anyway. Once Landi gets envious of Dotti's Doubles she'll start forcing the fox to use them in humiliating situations and we can't have that.

Actually, increase the number of favors per day, but in turn, add a soft-cap limit. Once Landi or Serah use three or more favors in a single day, the next day they will owe Dotti a gift, which she can choose at her leisure; this is restricted to a limited-cost purchase based on current salaries of all affiliated parties. In addition, using one or two favors alone has a small chance of triggering a single gift accrual from Dotti, determined by a chaotic RNG interdimensional standard. This will balance out Landi's compulsion to use 'stale' favors at the end of the day. Dotti might have a larger workload, but Landi will be more willing to reserve her favors for long-term tasks or when it's particularly funny.
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No. 1054626 ID: a7a180

1. Have Dotti show off her shapeshifting by wearing something that conceals her figure, like a puffy coat, and then shedding it.
2. Argue for more freedoms. She definitely isn't ready to be taken off the leash, but it could be longer.
3. Emphasize the positive bits of Dotti's experience so far in apprenticeship - meeting new people and having her first date (learning experience!), learning the craft of baking, and dealing with strangers and setting boundaries. The fact that she hasn't bitten anyone is a sign of progress. Further progress will be encouraged by awarding her this relaxed contract.
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No. 1054632 ID: 629f2e

Let's go through this one at a time!

> Does Kayk provide any suggestions for how Dotti can show off her shapeshifting, or does she encourage Dotti to not show off at all?

Her hands, her head, and her tails are all exposed. She could easily shift any of these elements to show off her shapeshifting. I think the tails would be a good choice, though I'm not sure how doable that is given that they seem tied to her magic. Like, can she shift to just having one tail? Or maybe more than she currently has?

If not, I think a safe bet would be to alter her hair. Maybe she could make hers long and flowy like Serah's? I say encourage it. Dotti wants to show off something cool she's finally started to get a handle on, so just let her feel good about it!

> Having spent more time with Dotti, does Kayk push for more freedoms under Dotti’s contract? Does she consider asking to end Dotti’s contract entirely?

No, ending Dotti's contract would be detrimental to her living situation.

>>1043037

I went over this a lot here, and I think the basic points still stand. Serah getting to request favors from Dotti is a favorable deal in return for all Dotti receives from her. We shouldn't scrub this.

HOWEVER!

That doesn't mean we can't add helpful stipulations. Currently Serah can request favors from Dotti at any time she wishes. This is nice, but I can think of two simple changes that would make this system less exploitable:

-Favors cannot be issued during work hours/may be rejected if they would interfere with Dotti's employment.

-Designate hours where it is appropriate for favors to be requested that guarantees Dotti at least some amount of free-time. Not to mention time for her to sleep.

As for Landi, my position remains the same. Most of her benefits need to be stricken down entirely. She shouldn't get favors, she shouldn't be allowed to use Dotti as a bed... MAYBE we can keep her in the rule about courtesy and respect, but frankly that oughta be a two-way street.

I can see the argument that Landi should get something for making the contract and handling it, but giving her authority over Dotti hasn't been working out. She can still influence Dotti through Serah, and that's just going to have to be enough for her. If Serah is refusing to issue Landi's favors, then they were probably ones that shouldn't have gone through.

> What other things can Kayk do to strengthen Dotti’s negotiating position?

Ask Ellie for assistance? Maybe ask for her before you tell Landi what you're up to if you need her help summoning the fairy. Having another fairy would be helpful, given your lack of real knowledge on contract law.

Ask Serah to sit in on the conversation, since the contract affects her as well, and try to convince her that these changes are for the best. Tell her about how well Dotti has handled her job, and lightly touch upon the fact that Landi has definitely been taking advantage of their little arrangement. Just try to make her see that there does need to be a change.

That's about all you can really do. The facts of this matter are on your side. There NEEDS to be a change.
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No. 1054653 ID: dee951

A few ideas...

The dotti treating landi and serah with courtesy and respect? Yea, this clause needs to be an omnidirectional 'all parties to the contract treat all other parties with respect and dignity'. NOT courtesy. You can act with respect towards someone and behave as if they are worthy of dignity and still call them out for being an ass, and be appropriately un-courteous as needed.

The bed clause needs to go, completely. The fairy should be able to get an amazing bed using her own resources. If landi wants to cuddle Dotti at night, she needs to earn permission for this with kindness, seduction, and/or appropriate bribes!

The contract needs a neutral, binding, third party arbitration clause with regards to misuse of favors, and as a way for Dotti to seek exit of the contract. There needs to be a clause preventing malicious and demeaning and disrespectful and cruel use of favors; favors need LIMITS on the types of things that can be asked!

Dotti also needs to get a modest stipend/allowance, as Serah's income and wealth access allows

Dotti needs a means of terminating the contract, even if the other two are against her, even if there's a delay and she needs to buy out her contract or go through the neutral third party arbitration clause, and it cannot be TOO onerous to do!
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No. 1054659 ID: e51896

I think the main thing I want fixed from this contract: No more favors that treat Dotti less than a human, such as humiliating and demeaning requests such as being used as Landi's bed, or wearing a worst fox collar. I think Serah can agree to that. Oh yeah, no more ear pulling that Serah has been doing. Tell them you were shocked to hear Dotti had been treated this way.
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No. 1054663 ID: 629f2e

Let's talk about Landi a little more.

I think it's important to keep in mind that Dotti is going to have a hard time arguing elements of her contract in the future, even if she does get help from Kayk. This is because, to put it simply, neither of them have any experience in law. Landi does, which is a problem when she's both a beneficiary of the contract and the one causing Dotti the most grief. Let's not forget that this is how Dotti has described her:

> “I hate Landi,” Dotti says softly. “I hate her, and I hate the contract. She makes me do the worst things, like wear collars that say ‘worst fox’ and take baths. I hate it so much.”

This is why I would argue more in favor of fully nixing Landi's favors altogether. Whatever limitation we try to set, Landi will always be capable of being a jerk within the boundaries of the contract if she wants to. Possibly even in ways we explicitly try to prevent if she can figure out a loophole in the phrasing (or try to slip one in).

"Favors issued to Dotti must show the same respects offered to any sentient race"? Well technically petplay is a kink practiced by many sentient individuals, therefore asking her to wear this collar and be leashed should not be in violation of any rules.

"Dotti can veto a number of favors each day"? Landi makes a point to ask a number of unreasonable ones first before actually using her real ones.

Alright, but what if we go stipulate "if Dotti vetos a Landi favor, she’ll owe someone else in the contract a favor" though? The issue here is that Dotti could just veto all of Landi's favors, which could only be solved by setting a cap on the amount of vetos she gets. So either you get the original pitch of simply not giving Landi favors anymore, or you get the previously described scenario of Landi just making completely unreasonable requests before asking for what she really wants that Dotti would hate.

Dotti has 6 potential favors to perform a day, but only 3 of them are actually problematic. The worst thing Serah does is fiddle with Dotti's ears, and frankly that would cease in a heartbeat if Dotti just told Serah she didn't like it. That's a communication issue, it's easily solved without need to renegotiate the contract.

The root problem that all of these suggested alterations to the favor system want to fix is that Landi isn't nice to Dotti sometimes. That is an issue that absolutely needs to be worked on as a party, but until then, giving Landi power over someone she doesn't care for has lead to clear abuse of the system. Her authority only deepens the wedge, and it needs to be removed. Both of them would benefit from doing so.

One other suggestion I wanna touch on:

>>1054653
> Dotti also needs to get a modest stipend/allowance, as Serah's income and wealth access allows

Dotti already has a job. That, and Serah is providing Dotti with housing, meals, education, and legal protection in return for simple tasks. These terms are already VERY favorable for Dotti, so it's probably best not to bite the hand that feeds her.

COMPLETE AGREEMENT on the points about neutral third-party arbitration though, that's super important. The ability for Dotti to end the contract less so, as she really does still need all of the positives Serah provides, but it would be a nice touch to grant her the independence. It would be a terrible move for her, but it probably should be her right to fuck up if she wants to.
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No. 1054667 ID: 15c72a

1: I don't think shapeshifting is relevant to the contract. She can do it if she wants to show off, I guess.
2: Dotti is clearly improving but still needs some common sense rules in place. Which restrictions are a problem for her, specifically? She can have a frank conversation with everyone about it, and you can vouch for her behavior. Ending the contract seems like a bad idea, and leaving Landi completely vulnerable to retaliation seems bad too, because there will be conflict between them.
3: Removing or greatly reducing Landi's favors seems like a good talking point, since she's abusing them. At worst this will mean Landi has no favors, leaving her to have to ask Serah for help if she needs Dotti to do something, and at best will get her to feel bad (maybe impossible) and/or swear (in a binding fashion, and/or in a clause in the contract) to stop using them to be mean to Dotti. Even the playing field, so they're safe from each other.

In summary, the contract should be changed so that Dotti has protections from Landi's abuse (possibly defined by Serah's perception of whether a favor is degrading or not), while keeping the fairy safe from Dotti's jaws and claws. Next revision should be long enough where they'll be getting along enough not to be at risk of violent conflict.
I wonder if you could reframe the contract as something similar to employment?
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No. 1054677 ID: 3b7261

We need to talk about the incredible progress Dotti has made. She's been learning incredibly quickly about living in a community among civilization. She already values how people perceive her, and is learning boundaries in how to be assertive without being overbearing with expressing her wants and needs. She's made incredible progress in valuing delayed, long term gratification rather than immediate fulfillment of short term desires. She's learned cognitive empathy, and is making progress with affective empathy. She recently went to a comedic play, and was laughing without self-consciousness, and strangers started taking their social cues from her! She's learning how to manage social stress, including when she's been legitimately wronged via bullying, and recently bounced back from a stressful date that failed due to incompatibility. She's learning how to balance conflicting wants and desires, including for nuanced and often contradictory things like belonging and community and how to balance her need for self expression, self identity, and self actualization. She's learning how to hold down a stressful, heirarchical, customer service job and how to manage the money that gives her.

With this level of progress, I'm not actually convinced that the contract needs to be punitive or heirarchical at all; it could simply be changed to an agreement that all parties help provide all other parties with reasonable support in mutial maintenance of access to clothing, shelter, food, and safety of person, to treat each other and the personal property of the others with respect, and to forego engaging in violent or demeaning acts upon the other parties.
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No. 1054768 ID: dee951

>>1054677

There is the bit about not breaking laws. Dotti is learning to not want to break laws and social norms in the first place, but she still has a ways to go. And there are also times where the just thing to do IS to break a law, but only in a specific kind of way. and she doesn't yet have a good insight on that kind of thing.
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