>>4274
All the best video game villains live near cliffs filled with spiky death. Everyone concerned with security should follow their example.

>>4275
What? Video game villains frequently have huge security holes which lead directly to their downfalls. Your logic is flawed.

>>4266
>* Forces me to have an email (now Yahoo can monitor me)
No it doesn't. You need one to register a name, but there's no real reason you need to do that. You can operate unregistered perfectly fine.

>* Forces me to expose my IP
Yes, in the same way that receiving mail forces you to expose your street address. Except that nobody could actually do anything to you with just your IP. The worst anyone could theoretically do is a DoS, and nobody on IRC does that sort of thing. In fact, I've never been anywhere where there was anyone who would do that to a random passerby. And even if we did, you're nowhere near a big enough faggot to merit it.

>* Forces me to get permission just to get a vmask
I don't know what a vmask is, but I've never gotten permission for one, so I must surmise that this is not a legitimate concern.

>* Forces me to use an organization (Rizon) that blocks Tor, and therefore is trying to weaken everyone's privacy.
Yeah, honestly, I don't know what's up with that. Probably something to do with spammers or CP or something. Even though nobody uses tor for stuff like that anymore because the FBI have so many gates.

But it really doesn't matter very much, honestly. Why would you need to connect through tor anyway?

>* Forces me to rely on that big IRC network just to talk with my friends.
So? You're relying on big corporations for your internet to not break. I imagine you're also relying on big corporations for phone use, electricity, food, and transportation. Why does it matter if the irc provider is "big"?

>* Tricks you all into thinking like oh, if I can't see the fist swinging at my face there must be nothing to worry about, so I'll just let them cover my eyes. I wouldn't want to look paranoid after all!
Nobody's eyes are covered, there's just nothing to see. Not on Rizon, anyway.

>Seriously, why are you so dead set on forcing me to use Rizon? I could understand if you were mildly disappointed not to be graced with my presence, but why bother making fun of me? Do I pose a threat to you?
Because you're wrong. On the internet. Someone wrong on the internet is a Big Fucking Deal.

>Do you have any reason to protect Rizon at all?
Nobody's attacking them. You're just saying you're scared of them because they're big. Even though they're really not that big.

I'd just like to give my opinion right here, no offense to any parties involved. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay I'm done... actually, wait.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Okay now I'm done.

>big IRC network
>Rizon

:3c

One wonders what your comparing it to. If you're comparing it to an IRC server a buddy of yours is running from his basement, that has a dozen users, yeah I suppose it's big. Compared to something like IRCnet (which has way over five times as many users as Rizon) though....
As far as I can tell, Rizon doesn't have a history for privacy violations, and frankly I trust them more than some random dude living in a lead-lined basement. Even the uptime and good technical support are worth handing them over your ip.


As for some of your more specific complaints,

>forces email

No it doesn't. Registering your nick isn't part of basic IRC functionality, things work just fine without it. It's just an optional extra.

>forces ip reveal

To them, yeah. I'd imagine it's to help prevent attacks on the network. Rizon has been targeted by such before. Doesn't really seem like an unreasonable request, in fact it's the same as many websites.

>blocks Tor

Again, seems reasonable for much the same reason. And please justify your claim that it's aimed to 'reduce your privacy'. I believe that to be a side effect, the actual aim being 'preventing misuse'.

>Paranoid conspiracy theories

Lemme get my tinfoil pants.

Oh yeah and this argument is entirely pointless anyway, because you're not going to get anyone to switch networks. Hell, even getting people to move from #rubyquest to #tgchan inside the same damn network has been like pulling teeth, even after months of effort.

Inertia, man. Human laziness.

>>4280
Why would people move from #rubyquest to #tgchan? Having two channels has worked out just fine for like a year now.

>>4266
So in short you wear a tinfoil hat.

>>4281
Its trying to get people to join the other room since they just can't figure out HOW to enter multiple channels

Someone remind me again why we needed #tgchan in the first place

>>4283
A second channel is nice to have when the first is going a bit too fast.

>>4283
We needed an official channel to take things to so #rubyquest could stay dicks discussion.

>>4283
#rubyquest was Weaver's channel, which he made for RubyQuest. tgchan administration had no inherent authority there. And some folks figured that just wasn't proper.

>>4286
I think it's largely that some people got annoyed at #rubyquest and effectively forced #tgchan into use.

>>4286
that is the correct answer.

#tgchan was meant to be a help channel, but evolved into another general talk one when people got annoyed with reaver.
What's going on with #rubyquest nowadays, now that reaver isn't active anymore?

>>4266
rofl look at this fagot

>>4293
#Rubyquest and #tgchan have become very similar in atmosphere now that Reaver's wandered off. There simply aren't that many vocal users who only go to one channel anymore.

>>4293
Well, it used to be people went to #tgchan to whine about Reaver or to a lesser extent Weaver, and to #rubyquest to whine about tgchan administration. I guess we could still do most of that, but nobody's done anything worth whining about in a very long time. Which means now the only practical difference is that #rubyquest talks about vidya slightly more.

Wait, so #rubyquest isn't just dicks discussion anymore? I suppose I should reintegrate into the IRC enviroment at some point.

>>4297

Well, there's certainly occasional dicks discussion, but 99% of the drama left when Reaver went off and made his own channel

I miss BiteQuest.

Mneme!CRITTerXzI 2010/05/25(Tue)23:04 No. 4474 ID: c4c313
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lol you guys and your strawmen.

>>4273

I don't even know where to start with you. You say Rizon only exposes my IP to Rizon, then you say you don't even know what a vmask is. If you've never used or needed it, then your IP has been exposed to everyone who did a /whois on you. Plus look, tgchan exists because using the huge 4chan /tg/ sucks. Similarly, the huge IRC on Rizon sucks. Not as much, but it still sucks. You want places like tgchan, and smaller IRC networks, to prevent that kind of suckage.

>>4276

I don't want to give away my street address, so saying giving away my IP is like giving away my street address does not make me want to give up my IP. In the 21st century we now have the ability to communicate without knowing that information about each other, but if you prefer to stay in the 1800's who am I to protest?

>>4279

In case I haven't emphasized this enough if you don't use the "optional" nickname registration, which requires a tracking email, then you can't get a vmask. Without a vmask, your IP is exposed to every user who looks you up or interacts with you on the network. So your statement "To them, yeah." is wrong. You can disagree with me, but please be consistent in your claims.

>>4280

Yeah, well I didn't ask anyone to leave #tgchan or #rubyquest. #tgchan on EIN is just if you want to talk with me, or anyone else who eschews Rizon. You probably have no reason to come here. I made the channel for people who actually like me, not for people who do not want to speak with me like yourself.

Dylan16807 [~Dylan@Rizon-6E24BA9D.resnet.ohio-state.edu]
What IP? (To be clear that the blob isn't one, the ISP is 164.107)

The problems with 4chan are not in the size of the entire site, but the size of specific boards and the poor moderation of those boards. This extends to the channels on Rizon, not the network itself.

>>4474
>whois, everybody has my IP lol
No, you fucking idiot. Maybe you should try connecting to one of these networks once in a while before you pull shit out of your ass. While it's true my service provider is visible on a whois, my IP is not.

>Plus look, tgchan exists because using the huge 4chan /tg/ sucks. Similarly, the huge IRC on Rizon sucks. Not as much, but it still sucks. You want places like tgchan, and smaller IRC networks, to prevent that kind of suckage.
This isn't even an argument. No you arrogant jackass, I do not want tgchan to operate its own network just because you say so. Even if I actually do, it has nothing to do with your opinion of /tg/ or Rizon.

>>4474
>I don't want to give away my street address,
But you have to if you want to receive mail. And the national postal service, despite being large, will not come to your house and murder you at night. It's just how things work.
>so saying giving away my IP is like giving away my street address does not make me want to give up my IP.
Well I didn't say they were identical. They're different in that nobody could find you to do anything unsavory to you using solely your IP.
>In the 21st century we now have the ability to communicate without knowing that information about each other, but if you prefer to stay in the 1800's who am I to protest?
So you suggest that hiding from the world is a more modern outlook? That strikes me as silly. If that's the case (and I haven't done the sociohistoric research necessary to determine whether it is or not) then perhaps progress is progressing in the wrong direction.

>In case I haven't emphasized this enough if you don't use the "optional" nickname registration, which requires a tracking email, then you can't get a vmask.
The phrase "tracking email" is somewhat misleading, apparently. All it's used for is sending you a randomly generated password to initiate the registration, and after that point it's only used for password registration. You can use a throwaway if that's really of concern to you. I recommend http://www.guerrillamail.com/ for that purpose, if you choose to go that route. There are others, but guerrillamail is the one I use, and thus the only one I can vouch for.

Honestly, it doesn't matter though. For reference, I have used Rizon for over a year. I have for par of that time been registered, using my primary email. During the entirety of that time, my IP has been available to anyone who cares to /whois me (it's 69.108.0.111 at the moment) and absolutely nothing bad has happened to me. Even if someone had wanted to mess with me, the worst that could be done is a DoS. Without a botnet, that would be just as detrimental to the connection of the initiator as it would be to me, though luckily there would be very little detriment to either of us, even with the best most highly optimized scripts available. With a botnet, sure, somebody could cause problems for you. But nobody in #tgchan or #rubyquest has a botnet, and very few people on Rizon in general do, it's just not that sort of network.

wryt 2010/05/26(Wed)00:40 No. 4483 ID: 014ff1
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Here, I even did an experiment for you.

>>4483
Huh. Upon investigation, it appears that /whoising myself yeilds an IP, but /whoising anyone else doesn't seem to.

even with tor, if someone REALLY wanted to find you then they would. they just have to back track through the IP logs. it is impossible to be totally secure as long as you are on the internet.

Hell, Mneme, as a mod I could post your IP in this thread for everyone to see, if I really wanted to. You are less safe here on tgchan than you are on IRC.

Not that I or any other mod will, but we have more access to it than a Rizon user does.

>>4517
>threatening to reveal a IP
Goddamn, you could at least pretend not be a complete embarrassment as admin.
He's also probably using a proxy, which is almost impossible on rizon.

>>4517
Except that he apparently uses Tor for normal browsing.

>>4583
>>4552
Ignore me, I suck cocks

Permission for vmasks takes less than 5 minutes to be confirmed. I got the.means.to.an.end in 30 seconds.

Mneme you're an idiot and I dislike you.

>>4665
Indulge a n00b if you'd please. How does I vmask?

Mneme!CRITTerXzI 2010/05/28(Fri)01:43 No. 4685 ID: c4c313
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>>4665

Eh, I waited around for an hour, guess they were just busy or something.

>>4669

You provide them with an email address from some big company, to register your nickname, then identify by said nickname with the password you gave them, which your ISP and anyone else in the middle can see by the way, but only rich people have access to that network level so you don't have to worry.

Once identified, then you message HostServ to set a vmask. You don't get that vmask though. You have to wait for an admin to notice you've requested it, and approve your choice of vmask, according to undisclosed conditions, but vmasks that make uncomfortably personal statements about said admin's mother probably won't get approved. This is not a tgchan admin by the way, but a Rizon admin, a sysop who has probably never heard of tgchan, and could care less about it, or you.

...

Or, you install i2p, make a client IRC tunnel to irc.welterde.i2p, then choose whatever nickname you like at the time, and don't worry about passwords, registering, email or vmasks! You can also >>4252 but as someone noted earlier, that may expose your IP.

http://i2project.net/download.html

>This is not a tgchan admin by the way, but a Rizon admin, a sysop who has probably never heard of tgchan, and could care less about it, or you.
An admin of TGChan does not have to give a damn about you if they don't want to, and in the same measure a Rizon administrator does not have to "care less" because of what they do. Your argument here is based on straw men.

Bob 2010/05/28(Fri)07:26 No. 4691 ID: a83ce3
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I WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT TOR OR RIZON OR ANY OF THE SOMEWHAT PARANOID YAMMERING IN THIS THREAD.

But I do like the Wotter images they are adorable.

Bob 2010/05/28(Fri)09:34 No. 4693 ID: 5a2e05
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>>4691
Smugleaf's where it's at.

teamsleep 2010/05/28(Fri)11:18 No. 4700 ID: 0f9dad
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>You have to wait for an admin to notice you've requested it, and approve your choice of vmask, according to undisclosed conditions
>undisclosed conditions
http://rizon.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16
Mneme, I like you and all, but that's bullshit.

>>4700
You don't understand Mneme. He assumes everyone is out to get him and so he never really checks to make sure they are.

Mneme, I am out to get you, just so you know. I am a cannibal rapist IRL and I love the taste of tender young boyflesh. I will hurt you in ways that you can't even imagine before, during and after I feast on your delicious blood and organs while making use of every available oriface, and some created especially for that purpose by me, with a sharp implement.

Hide, and make sure I never find your IP address, because when I do, you will pray and beg and scream that GOD take you away from the living nightmare I will inflict.

Fear me.

xoxox
BiteQuest

>>4730
Oh god. If you do find him, be sure to upload some pictures.

Mneme!CRITTerXzI 2010/05/29(Sat)23:39 No. 4775 ID: c4c313
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>>4700

Well, thanks for liking me. I did read that, and I still think they don't tell the full story there. A hostmask like come.join.me.at.irc.einirc.de.please would be refused for instance, even though it doesn't violate any of the above points. Or, as I said before, maybe I didn't wait long enough and they would have approved it. I dunno.

>>4691

❥

>A hostmask like come.join.me.at.irc.einirc.de.please would be refused for instance, even though it doesn't violate any of the above points.

>doesn't violate any of the above points

>8. No references to other networks/spamming. (e.g. come.to.irc.blahblahblah.net, join.my.channel)

:3c

Okay I'm seriously starting to think Mneme wants us to get into his special IRC channel so he can hack us and use our computers to store his CP.

Mneme!CRITTerXzI 2010/05/30(Sun)16:53 No. 4789 ID: c4c313
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>>4779

I swear that clause wasn't there before. o.O

That would explain why people here are so kissykissy with Rizon...

>>4789
I wh

teamsleep 2010/05/30(Sun)17:55 No. 4793 ID: 0f9dad
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>>4792
I wisb.

Dogmeat 2010/06/01(Tue)10:53 No. 4836 ID: ad15db
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Is there a reason I can't connect to rizon?

Because you touch yourself at night.