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941963 No. 941963 ID: 07c9c1

8 people being forced to live in an underground facility, completely cut off from any outside communication. As the days keep going stranger things start appearing in the facility.
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No. 957783 ID: 2bd15b
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No. 957785 ID: 4a0ed3

Agreed, it is the law after all. Besides, We already have plenty of evidence to inspect later anyway like the cans, pillow, and blanket. We probably dont need the bottle to search for traces of blood, we can see if there are traces of blood on the pillow and blanket later assuming the office has tools for that.
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No. 957788 ID: e51896

yeah, not much we can do except comply.

"technically, the law wasn't broken yet because we're outside of the prison where these laws take place in, but yes, I agree, I'll drop the bottle."
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No. 957790 ID: 717449

I'm sure the question will arise, so If anyone asks why you had the bottle in the first place, just say "it is just like what Pink stated: I was picking up random trash out of nervous habit that I wasn't thinking about what I was picking up. not to mention it is too cold out here for me think straight"
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No. 957792 ID: d63ea8

>>957783
((Wow, Zizzy really has it out for us.))
We'll have to make do with what evidence we have collected thus far.
>>957788
Vivlly didn't state that the only law only applies while in the prison. Maybe we should keep quiet and comply. I worry that we might start an argument that won't be able to win, and with tensions running high someone might say/do something stupid.

If it seems like Zizzy is trying to pick a fight we can probably respond with:
"We're all freezing. If you want to argue can we at least do it inside?"

Right now it seems like Zizzy is trying to discredit us in front of the group. While we might not know her motives, we have seen that her main tactic is to undercut our statements and twist it so that we sound either controlling or stupid. The less ammunition we give her the better.
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No. 957800 ID: a21cb7

>>957792
Support
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No. 957814 ID: d63ea8

>>957806
As tempting as it might be to be flippant about this, I have a feeling bad things might happen to the group if we choose a name like "Hell-Hole" or "Not-Freezing-to-Death".

My first thought would be a thematic name like Ogygia. The paradise island Odysseus was stranded on for seven years in the Odyssey. The island was wonderful and beautiful, and could offer a good life to Odysseus, but it was a prison all the same.

Of course, if this doesn't fit the world we could perhaps try:
"Haven. Now can we get inside? I'm freezing.
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No. 957838 ID: e51896

I'm assuming Pink is going to reward points to the person who's name they came up with got selected. But whatever. I think we need a name that does not lend itself to sound too comforting or utopia sounding as we don't want people to think this is some kind of paradise to stay in. Conversely, we also don't want a depressing name that would lower morale. I think we need a name that is somewhere in between, something neutral.

That said, lets call this place "The Bricks of Utopia"

No wait, that's bad. lets call it "The Grey Below"
because the majority of the area is grey, and fits with the color scheme with everyone wearing different colors, and we're below the ground. Plus, not too depressing sounding of a name since it sounds kinda cool, but also not too blissful of a name for a place to stay in.
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No. 957977 ID: 9e88bd

>>957806
Elysium Fields? That would have a note of irony to it. Elysium was the Roman heaven/afterlife, and "fields" would also be ironic.
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No. 957986 ID: ae74ff

Concrete Grove.

Whatever, it sounds bad, but I Dont really care about names, it is too cold to be standing around thinking up names, and Pink knows this.
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No. 958026 ID: ae74ff

Prize

Right now Zizzy has the most points, and I dont want to make her feel nervous by making her think we are starting a rivalry or competetion or something for most points with her by asking for more points. She is already nervouse as it stands. Let her have the comfort of top spot.

Also dont get our hopes up for whatever the prize is.
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No. 958027 ID: d63ea8

>>958022
Right now I see two options:
1. We refuse a prize. This would make us look strong in front of the others and endear ourselves Rivrik, but it might make others (I think Zizzy, Vivlly or Boliston) squabble over getting the prize since 'Millie didn't want it.'
2. We ask that the prize or points be split equally among the group. This would hopefully foster some sense of solidarity amidst the group and perhaps set us on the path mending whatever issue we have with Zizzy. But if we do split the prize it has to be done equally, otherwise it will look like we are playing favorites and will only more deeply divide the group.

I think that our first major goal (beyond possibly escaping) should be to establish a reasonable rapport with everyone here. The sooner we start working as a team the sooner we can try to get ourselves out of here.

I fully admit that either of these options could back-fire, but I also think that these choices will grant us the greatest social benefit.
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No. 958038 ID: 8b660e

>>958022
What about a prize that benefits the whole group? Like a good dinner or something like that?
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No. 958052 ID: d63ea8

>>958038
Yes. This is a good harmony of all our choices.
>>958026
It will ensure that whatever rivalry/enmity we have with Zizzy will not worsen.
>>958027
And it will grant us social capital with the majority of the group.

Well done.
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No. 958065 ID: d63ea8

This is something we'll have to face if we want to get out of here. The risk might be severe, but we can endure for one night.

Refusing now would only be cosigning ourselves to the life of a prisoner.

We have wits and the will for it. Let's prove Pink wrong.
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No. 958154 ID: e51896

Fine then, shit, I don't know if we are being brave, or stupid, but lets get this over with.

This isn't just about the reward. This is to inspire the other prisoners to have a strong will when the odds are stacked against us, to show that despite trapping us in the middle of nowhere, Pink can not break our resolve and our spirits.

I wonder if this is why there was a blanket and pillow here in the first place, because the previous person accomplished something similar before, well if they can do it, so can us, but even better.

The first thing we'll need to do is wrap Millie up with the blanket she found. And then, take all the curtains off all the windows and wrap Millie around in those too for extra layers of warmth.

Later, we'll need to collect firewood and save them for when night approaches. the broken table and chairs will do fine.
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No. 958213 ID: d63ea8

>>958154
I will probably get more technical once the decision to be outside has gone through, but I believe that our first action should be to assess the surroundings, the weather, and what resources we have at our disposal. From there we can weight the risks and devise how we will ration our time and energy while minimizing our exposure to the elements.
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No. 958295 ID: 18411d

For motivation, try to imagine what your family member(s) would say or do in this situation
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No. 958343 ID: d63ea8

If this was trying to survive for an entire day, or out in the open, I would agree with the others that this is a bad idea. But in this case we have access to a shelter that offers a fair amount of wind resistance and materials for both insulation and firewood. The main threat will be rationing our supplies for the rest of the day and the night. While hypothermia and frostbite could become a serious risk we can mitigate those factors through careful planning and safe procedures. I believe that we can endure this and the reward could go a long way towards helping ourselves and the others.

I would respond to the others with;
"I'm doing this so that we might have a chance of getting out of here. We don't know what will happen when the sixty days have passed, but I want us all to have the option to leave before we have to face that deadline. I've looked at the risks and I have a plan. That being said, if you think that you have anything that might help, I would certainly appreciate it."

Another thing that might be important is that we have 10 points, which is enough to afford the 10 point prize (the cigarettes I think?). It would be great if they came with a lighter or matches, but they should serve as good kindling otherwise.
"Pink, I would like to use my 10 points to purchase the cigarettes."

Finally I think that we should pass our annotated map over to Garvin. He could look for the secret room while we are out here (or be able to continue where we left of if the worst were to happen.
"Garvin, can I trade my map for yours? I'll need whatever I can spare to burn, and that map has a few of my notes on it."

((Sorry for the long post, there's just a lot of important stuff to look at))
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No. 958534 ID: c58093

>>958343
Support

Though i think Garvin said he left his map in his room
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No. 958559 ID: d63ea8

>>958534
Oh, yeah. You're right. I still think that Garvin should have it, but hopefully some of the others are willing to volunteer stuff.
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No. 958565 ID: 8b660e

I definitely like the idea of looking out resources to help get through this. If we intend to do this we should get at least:

1 coat
1 pair of gloves
1 blanket
Some food that can be easily heated up
Wood and either matches or a lighter

If you pile up snow outside the cave door it will insulate it better and keep the heat in. With wood and a lighter we can start a fire and the coat and blanket are self explanatory

Don’t ask for the map to burn. It’s paper it will burn hot but also burn fast. Only like 3 seconds of fire.
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No. 958572 ID: d63ea8

>>958565
Yeah, paper is only half decent for tinder. If we could get some birch bark or resin-soaked bark that would be ideal. My position is 'better to have it and not need it,' but it would be destroying a long term resource for short term gain.
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No. 958626 ID: e51896

it was mentioned that the maps are an erasable white board material, not paper. That said, Whiteboards are indeed flammable, perhaps more durable than paper well.

>>958343 As for asking for cigarettes, I might be wrong, but I believe we only have 5 points, not 10 >>947430, unless I missed and forgot a page where we gained more. We do not have enough points. Best not to ask to exchange points we don't have

>>958565
Sadly we didn't see a coat or gloves or food in the area outside,
but there is a blanket (more than one if we count the curtains on the windows, Millie can wrap herself up in layers), and some wood from the broken table and chairs.

Since we don't have a lighter, we can use the glass bottle to aim the beams of the sun on the firewood (we'd have to do it while the sun is still out, maybe closer to sunset so we have fire for the night). or using friction by rubbing the woods together like they did in the old days to start a fire, maybe even using the broken bottle, or shards of glass from the windows to cut wood if we need to make it easier to start a fire.

But one other idea I have to start a fire is perhaps we can take apart that computer that displays points on our wrist and use anything from that to cause a fire, like a battery, wires, or any kind of circuitry inside or something. Granted we will not be able to see how many points we have, but screw it, we have other jump suits that displays points.
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No. 958638 ID: d63ea8

>>947943
We reached 10 points after participating in the vote about whether or not the newspaper article about the "Wailing Lion" was real or not.
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No. 958670 ID: e51896

>>958638

Ah, thats right. thanks.
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No. 958765 ID: 978ff6

Jeez Louise! That's mad. What's up here? Does the bed have a blanket?
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No. 958792 ID: 8b660e

>>958725
Speaking from experience, no it’s not worth it. I was under the assumption we would have at least some prep time and could pool resources. But we go in this half cocked there’s a good chance we can freeze.
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No. 958796 ID: d63ea8

Alright, I taken note of what materials we have access to and what direct problems we have to overcome and I'm finding myself in agreement with Harbard Grim. We would have a very good chance of freezing to death in this scenario.

As it stands we have these resources accessible to us:
- A bendable whiteboard that we could possibly burn (and markers and eraser), but it wouldn't last for too long and would be destroying a long term resource, assuming that we cant replace it.
- An assortment of broken wooden tables and chairs, good for fuel, but not tinder. I would like to get a rough idea of how many of them there are since it would let us gauge how many hours we would be able to maintain the campfire.
- Some really tattered looking curtains that we could use for insulation or fuel. Again a rough estimate of the amount of material would be good.
- A 'bed' that at least has a few blankets and maybe a pillow. If we're luck their would be a mattress too, but again we need to take stock of what exactly there is.
- Half of a glass bottle and 3 (aluminium?) cans.

For major problems we have to overcome:
- We have no sure-fire ignition method. We could use friction to start a fire, but that is hard to pull off without practice even under ideal circumstances. Or we could use electrical ignition from either the suit's shock collar or point counter, but that would only work if Pink allowed us to damage the suit and even then it would be a gamble because the battery might not have high enough voltage or accessible wiring that we could fray for the ignition process.
- We don't have any good tinder either. The curtains and blanket are too useful for insulation to burn so we'd have to spend time whittling some of the chair/table legs (probably with the have a glass bottle) so that we have some smaller sections of wood to help get the initial fire going.
- We need to find a way to cut down on the crosswind through this building or else most of the heat from the fire will be lost. Meaning we'll either have to find a way to cover most of the windows, or build a smaller structure (like a lean-to) that we can sit inside with a fire.
- Finally, while this building is wooden and would offer decent insulation even with the missing wall (but we'd have to deal with the crosswind issue first), lighting a fire inside would be dangerous. In addition to trying to get the fire lit we would also have to make sure that the fire doesn't spread along the floorboards and causes the whole room to go up. We could resolve this by filling the cans with snow and have them in arms's reach in case we need to douse sections of the floor.

So with that all being said, there are still two unknown factors that I want to ask about before committing fully to a decision:
First >>948313
"Garvin, you mentioned seeing and old burnt down house. Can you point it out?"
In the case that Garvin wasn't talking about the room we are currently standing in, that other house could certainly be used for either fuel or structural materials.
Second
"Pink would I be allowed to take apart my point-counter or shock collar for the duration of this endurance run? You said that I could only use anything available here right now."
Pink seems like the kind of person who would wants to show to the group that he can keep his word. If we can get him on that technicality we would have a possible ignition method. If he gives us a flat 'no' then I would agree that we won't have enough supplies to survive the endurance run.

Currently I am a soft 'yes' on the endurance run, but I am willing to be talked out of it if the rest of you (the suggesters) think that it is a bad call.
I'll be honest, even if we could solve some of the issues above I don't think that we will get out of this scot-free. Best case scenario we get a mild case of hypothermia, but we also could get severe frostbite too.
The losing fingers and toes kind of frostbite.
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No. 958985 ID: e51896

It was a very hard decision for me to make, but you know what? where there is a will, there is a way. This isn't about the reward, but to show others not to let Pink break our spirits, even if they are heavily against Millie doing it. We might not make it out alive, or in one piece, but it is a sacrifice to make to help others harden their spirits against Pink or else down the line, they could lose hope and cause hatred for one another from low morality, causing in a worst case scenario: death among us from murder or suicide.
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No. 958992 ID: d63ea8

>>958985
Well said.

Hopefully we can get a few questions in before the endurance run starts, but if Pink decides to not answer them then I'd say we risk breaking the point counter regardless. Fire by friction would take a lot of time we can't afford to waste.
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No. 959017 ID: d63ea8

((Yay! (Almost) everyone is being supportive. Those extra sets of clothes will do more than you would imagine!))

Alright. First task in any survival situation is to assess the surroundings. Right now the snowstorm outside is too perilous to navigate, so we'll have to forget about the burned out building for now.

What supplies do we have at our disposal?

Can we get a layout of the room? We'll have to pick a spot to start setting up and deal with those windows ASAP.

I'd say that we should also try to slip on another jumpsuit if we can. Maximize whatever insulation we can get.

If there is any point where you are not using your hands, be sure to tuck them underneath your armpits to help warm them up and prevent frostbite.
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No. 959207 ID: e51896

So 5 extra layers of clothing, 6 if we count ours. Maybe when the weather gets better we can determine the location of the building Garvin was talking about and travel over there to see if there are more supplies

>>959017
From what we determined, there are broken windows (we can probably pick up some broken glass from those)
Curtains on the window (can help as extra fabric or blanket to stay warm
a bedding on the floor (pillow, what looks like a blanket or bed sheet I believe)
a pillow sheet
3 tin cans (which are inside the pillow sheet
a broken glass bottle Millie dropped somewhere in the house
broken wooden table and chairs

There might be more stuff around the area hidden, like maybe under the blanket(?) where the bedding is, or under the pile of broken wood which used to be a table

but yeah, I too would like to see a layout of the room since that would be ideal. It would be good to see where we need to shield ourselves from the wind coming inside, like from the windows and especially coming in from the broken wall since that is where most of it is coming from.
That said here is an idea for a shield against the cold wind: Perhaps later we can move that table to act as a shield against most of the wind against us, especially when it gets dark. that table is most likely big enough to hide behind from the wind and may help a great deal. We just need to determine the best place to put it and hide behind.

To start I agree, it sounds reasonable to get dressed in an extra layer of clothing ASAP, maybe even two to start out with until night approaches. We will start with wearing one extra and see how Millie feels before we determine if she should put on a second one.

Also, lets take one of the curtains off the window, and cut it up to make Millie some makeshift gloves (or at least something to wrap her hands around with), and a face cover.
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No. 959209 ID: e51896

Also, I want to see if Glad is responsive. Try asking Glad if he is still observing us and responsive while Pink is gone to start out with and if we can ask it questions during this trial.
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No. 959211 ID: 45fe54

Lastly, be sure to take out the Whiteboard map and markers out of your suit before putting on extra clothes. See if the other clothes has items inside as well
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No. 959223 ID: d63ea8

>>959207
>>959209
>>959211
Support to all of this, especially the ideas of using the broken table as a wind screen, and possibly donning a total of two additional layers.

Ideally we try'll to find the balance between mobility and insulation. Put on too many layers and we run the risk of selectively overheating parts of ourselves. The resulting sweat would doom us in the long run, but I think that once were are done with whatever tasks we can achieve before nightfall we can revisit the idea of fully layering up with all of the suits.
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No. 959423 ID: d63ea8

>>959419
Okay, okay. We'll figure a way out of this...

Even if you can't wear any of the suits over your own doesn't mean you can't use them for slight insulation. Tie one in a sort of loose sling/turban over your head since you'll lose the most core body temperature from there. Tie another around your shoulders, knotting the arm sleeves, and tie the legs of the suit waist level so that the bulk of the suit is covering your back. Do this again but this time have the next suit cover the front of your body. It'll buy time and we afford the minor loss in mobility.

Luckily we can use the suit's toughness to our advantage. Wrap a sleeve around one of better glass shards to make a shiv and use it to cut into the back of the whiteboard map. (Preferable using maps provided by the others rather than our own, but judging from the current assessment, we can't be picky). Most whiteboards are are set onto a cork-board backing and that should be both dry and flammable.

Finally use the shiv to strip off wooden chunks from the wall (preferably as high as you can comfortably reach) most of that should be dryer since it has been kept off of the ground.

((Failing that we can use a table/chair leg to wedge into and pry off some parts of the interior wall. Judging from the damage we can see in image 6 (counting images left to right) there seems to be parts of the wall that we can put our wedge into.))

((I'd post more, but I need to see how the previous tasks progress, as they would modify various priorities I have. I'm sorry Millie that I didn't check if the wood was damp or not, it would've modified my decision, but right now we'll focus on seeing you through this.))
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No. 962362 ID: e51896

>>959423
sounds like it is worth a try. I support it

Here is another idea:

Let us think for a moment what little history we know about Pink thus far.

this person is obviously somebody who makes people suffer throughout their life, living a life of danger.

But looking at Pink's face under the mask, we can see that it was disfigured with scars and burns, showing signs that this person has had their fair share of suffering as well.

I am wondering if Pink was somebody who started out suffering, and then gradually decided to fight back and make others suffer in return, perhaps gaining a mindset to make others suffer in order to stop their own suffering.

with that possibility in mind, lets think what Pink themself would do in this situation: it is kind of odd that Pink just left Glad deactivated here and didn't just bring it back in the elevator. It is almost as if we are supposed to destroy it in hopes to start a fire in order to survive. Make Glad suffer to stop our own suffering like Pink might have done in their life. That is probably what Pink wants us to do with this puzzle. The more I think about, it feels like a sick test of some sort to try to condition us to be like Pink, like some sort of successor...

What I am thinking is first, pick one of the jumpsuits the other prisoners had given us and remove whatever is in it (like a whiteboard or whatever other items that could be found).

once you have emptied it out, place the jumpsuit over Glad the robot's head so that we can blind it. We need to keep in mind that these robots are programed for self defense if it is attacked, so we might need to blind it with the jump suit while it is deactivated so Glad doesn't attack us.

Next, we should move Glad somewhere that won't cause the whole cabin to go up in flames. Fire is good, but we don't want to burn to death. Maybe somewhere with less wind blowing as to not get fire on the wodden walls. We should probably consider using the round table as a shield against the wind

After Glad is in place, grab some wood from the pile and place them around Glad (not all the wood though, we'll need to save some)

lastly, grab a blunt object (maybe a long piece of wood from the pile) and use that to attack and KILL destroy Glad the robot from behind with your weapon. Hopefully, it won't see you if it activates from being attacked because of the jump suit blinding it, and maybe with the weird things on the jumpsuit like the shock mechanic and point system and the electricity from Glad the robot getting destroyed, we might be able to get a fire going for warmth.

...

lets just keep in mind that Glad is just a robot and not a living thing when we do this. Robots don't have feelings.
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No. 962411 ID: d63ea8

>>962362
I agree the direction that you are going with the analysis of Pink. Something to keep in mind, Garvin said that he saw another burnt-out building outside, and that might have a more direct connection with Pink.

I support the idea of emptying out the pockets of the other jumpsuits, we need to have a full picture of what materials we have to work with.

And I support covering Glad's head as a precaution, but seeing as it is a robot, its cameras might not be situated in its head.

I don't think that we will be able to destroy glad with pieces of scrap wood. It might be a lot more fragile than those security bots, but Glad is still made from metal.

Ideally we could use Glad's claws and shoulder spikes as proper cutting tools to both tear up the jumpsuits into more manageable strips and possibly expose the wiring of the point counter.

I'd like to hold off on destroying resources until other viable options are exhausted, but I would say that we could keep the plan of destroying Glad as a solid Plan B.
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No. 963132 ID: d63ea8

Alright, lets start by trying to pry off a single panel from the interior wall. Make sure to keep the section in as much of one piece as possible, like peeling bark off of a tree.

If we're able to do this and keep the external section of the wall intact then we might be able to make a fire and possibly a secondary shelter using the scrap wood.

If our attempt causes significant structural damage to the exterior wall, or if we aren't able to pull off pieces in sizable chunks then I would recommend that we smash Glad and see what components we can salvage.
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No. 965145 ID: e51896

>>963132
This,

though I still think destroying Glad may be the best option in this scenario to salvage circuitry or cause a fire. If we go that route, don't forget to cover Glad with one of the suits to cover its vision and higher the chance of causing a fire with both the circuits of the suit and the circuits of glad. Who knows, maybe glad might activate the shock of the suit closest to him causing more of a chance of a fire.

But also remember we have drapes on the windows that we can also use, they are probably wet though. If we can at least start a small fire, we can dry them up and cover ourself with them along, along with drying the wet blankets
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No. 965382 ID: e51896

...
In hindsight we probably should have stripped our jumpsuit off first and maybe dressed Glad in it so that he would have shocked himself, but that probably would have been asking too much considering the bitter cold, and Glad probably had another defense mechanism in store in case someone actually did strip off their jumpsuit before attacking... Ah well, at least we're somewhere warmer, but hopefully not a out of the frying pan and into the fire kind of warmer.
Considering we are now in a straight jacket, I do not think we are in any position to be arguing with Pink and should just listen to where they are going with all this.

hm, considering the green liquid Pink is drinking, I wonder if Pink is drinking Absinthe, that is our brother's favorite alcoholic beverage wasn't it? We should probably stop thinking about our family and focus on what is going on right now.

That said, did Pink just say Glasshrauder, as in the same last name as Dervan Glasshrauder, the same lawyer with the devil horns who gave you that cake in the bar?
We might need to keep our meeting with Dervan a secret from Pink if that is true, not show our cards this early on. But instead for small talk to get the conversation going, maybe at least ask if Pink personally knows those people they mentioned and if one of them was the friend who provided Pink with the robots around the facility.
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No. 965391 ID: d63ea8

Arguably this isn't the worst outcome we could've gotten.

>>965382
This is a good line of questioning, as the question 'What now?' might have unfortunate consequences for us.
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No. 965465 ID: 31a5d6

Ridiculous. You're offering me a chance to hang out with you? How is that any kind of a prize? You've kidnapped me and thwarted my free will. I'm not interested.
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No. 965471 ID: d63ea8

This is another test. Pink wants to see if you are willing to abandon the other prisoners in order to save your own hide.

((I would guess that the cynical part of his brain is guessing that we'll be selfish.))

We should return to the others, show that we didn't die in a blizzard.
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No. 965550 ID: 796990

Wait, so when you say those peopld pink mentioned were the closest thing to heroes your world has, does that imply your world is a cruel place full of terrible people? Or is that just an over exaggerating way of thinking?
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No. 965623 ID: e51896

Hmm, as an officer of the law, has Millie ever done undercover work? probably not since she is new to the police force, but one idea I had was accepting the proposal Pink offered to stay with them and work undercover if only to try to get a better understanding of who Pink is, their motive, and where this location is. That way when the opportunity arrives to escape and get back to civilization, we will have all the information needed for their arrest.

but if we are going back to the facility with the others, we should be more careful with how we do things because since Pink now identifies us as a so-called "hero", they will be keeping a closer eye on us in the security cameras. We will have to be smarter about how we operate, especially if we want to find hidden rooms Pink doesn't want us entering.

Also, I wouldn't yell or criticize or argue or get angry at pink considering we are in a straight jacket. Pink will only view it as us challenging their authority and make our stay here more difficult than it needs to be. lets keep our opinions to ourselves for now and lay low.

I am still interested in who Pink got the robots from though. Maybe tell Pink that since their identity doesn't matter in this facility as they already showed us their face, there should be no qualms in telling us the identity of the friend they got the robots from.
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No. 965942 ID: d63ea8

There is a lot of subtext behind those worlds. If Pink really sees us as 'uninitiated' then I shudder to think what these 'lessons' would be.

But we chose to stay out of that bunker for a reason. Namely to get something to benefit the group, if we abandoned the other residents for this private tutoring then we would be going back on all we've been trying to stand for.

Again, we should go back to the rest of the group.
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No. 968796 ID: d63ea8

It would be dangerous to engage with Pink's fantasies, we need to shut this down, firmly.

"Back. Off."
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No. 968806 ID: 7f2784

I would say Just let pink get it out of their system...

But i think it will be funnier if we leaned back on the chair and have both of you tumble downwards since he has his weight against the chair. Might even hurt pink
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No. 968832 ID: e51896

not sure if leaning back to make Millie and Pink fall is a good idea, but if we go that route, Millie will need to make it look like an accident to not make Pink think it was on purpose, and make it very sudden and quick to catch Pink off gaurd and to not have Pink fall right on top of her but instead past her.
like, as Millie pushes her feet against the floor to lean back towards the floor, she should yell "AH SHIT!" as she and Pink falls backwards. Also, brace for impact on the floor, (or the wall, there might be a wall)
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No. 968857 ID: 6b8bc1

"I asked a stupid question because i got freakin' startled after that fall right now, and i am trying to calm my nerves by keeping this casual with my question."

I wonder if this Pink and the Pink we saw take their mask off when they first met is two different people
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No. 968888 ID: d63ea8

>>968857
((Good thought! We'll have to keep that in mind!))

We should express concern, help calm the situation.

"I was just surprised is all. Are you okay?"
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No. 968898 ID: e51896

>>968888
>>968857
These are safe choices. I Support.

Alternatively, I'd say if Pink pushes for a better answer if they dont like the ones we give, say something like "well Pink, as our host, since you took priority in checking to see if your mask is alright instead of asking your guest she was alright, yeah, I think I might be a little bit obligated to ask that dumb question... oh yeah, Im fine by the way... despite the headache, thanks for asking!"

The idea that this pink and the pink we saw at the start of the quest seems plausable, but one theory I have is that while it was safe for Pink to show Millie without their mask, maybe when they said they couldnt afford to be seen without their mask, and that proximity was an issue, maybe it means that Pink cant be seen without their helmet around the robots Glad and To Help. They are in the area, and if he was alright with showing Millie their face, maybe he cant show the robots his face or they may try to kill Pink for some reason.

That said, i am starting to not trust those robots more than i dont trust Pink. If the robot for example was indeed activated AND If Pink didnt activate Glad to knock out Millie in the snow and truly thinks it was a malfunction, then either the robots have a mind of their own... or somebody from the outside may have activated Glad to shock Millie, like maybe the original creator of the robots.

Im really tempted to ask Glad and To Help if they ever seen Pink without their mask, but I also worry what Pink might do if we ask the robots that question. Thoughts?

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No. 968970 ID: d63ea8

I think the main one to change would be 'not getting onto the Wailing Lion.'
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No. 968973 ID: 273aee

Let me answer that question with a question, ever heard of the butterfly effect? Scary shit there man.
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No. 968985 ID: 24d342

(Ooh, did Millie die? I dont know how we could of avoided that outcome if she did)
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No. 968990 ID: 2bd15b
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No. 968991 ID: 632c73

(I Dont trust this person, this fake Millie and this dream could be a construct created from Pink's drug trying to condition Millie into thinking what Pink wants her to think. Pink said that drug was made to "cure" her symptoms, so this could be a way to brainwash her.)
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No. 969001 ID: 31a5d6

"Of course. I'm tough, talented, and intelligent. All that'll stop me is if circumstances really screw me or if I just stop caring."
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No. 969043 ID: e51896

>>968991
Good point, will keep that in mind. It feels like one of those scenarios where tribes or cults take hallucinogens or drugs to have "spiritual journeys" to find themselves when really they are just destroying their brain.
that said, this looks like this may be an attempt to try to take advantage of Millie's past misery to condition her into thinking that the only way to escape from her low points in life is to submit and join Pink and their "utopia" or something. Also, this doesn't really seem like a good time to be asking existential crisis questions when Pink is probably physically abusing and/or raping Millie's sleeping body in the waking world as we speak.

>>969001
support. I'm sure everyone at one point in their life asked that question if they'd amount to anything, but in the grand scheme of things and how big the universe is, why worry about that? Nobody's perfect, life is too short to be too worried about such things because then, you'd be ignoring the precious things in life to appreciate, and you'd also forget to appreciate what you already have. Just set goals for yourself, even if they are small, if you want to amount to things. Plus, didn't Millie just become a detective before going on this cruise? I'd say she already started to amount to things, especially at the age of 24 when she became a detective

My action: Check the inside of the trash. One person's trash is another person's treasure.
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No. 969075 ID: d63ea8

>>969001
Support.
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No. 969102 ID: 2bd15b
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No. 969115 ID: 24bf2b

I'd rather live in the present than dwell on the past, dwelling on the past for too long is unhealthy and you cant change what has happened. 

If we are absolutely forced to choose, let make it the recent past since it is closer to the present, though this still feels like a trap to me
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No. 969206 ID: e51896

Millie 2 doesn't seem too happy to be here.

Is it possible to not make a choice so we don't fall deeper into this drug trip Pink forced us into? if not, I guess recent past is what I would choose.
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No. 969208 ID: e51896

>>969206
But yeah, priority will have to be to try to get a grip back on reality
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No. 969250 ID: de31ee

Far past. We might get to learn about her family and her life as a detective leading up to here.
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No. 969253 ID: d63ea8

>>969115
Support.
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No. 969290 ID: d0ee7a

Something i realize, It could be possible that we never woke from that freezing test of endurance after glad shocked us and Pink never took us into that dining room and drugged us. Just a possibility but i dont think it is likely

If Pink did indeed wake us up in the dining room, I'd say less than a day passed (i cant imagine pink waiting days just sitting at the table just for Millie to wake up.) And after Pink drugged us, I'd say 2 days passed (because imaginary Millie is holding up two fingers)

The distrust for imaginary Millie comes from how Pink said before drugging us that the drug was used to cure us from our symptoms we're suffering from.
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No. 969349 ID: d63ea8

>>969290
Agreed. Recovering from hypothermia takes time, even with the wonders of technology.
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No. 969366 ID: e51896

We'll play along and take what happens here with a grain of salt, just to keep things going. 

As of now It has been 5 days since Pink drugged and stomped possibly now broken face: >>968958 
june 4th since face got stomped by pink, june 9th as of now, going on day 6 soon, june 10th 

So yeah, less than a day since passing out in the snow and waking in front of Pink, and 5 days passed out after being drugged. 

(Im wondering, it might be true that Millie needs help, but she didnt seem depressed and seemed to try to be productive with the cards handed to her so far, but I am wondering if the Millie wearing blue needs more help than Millie does and is the one that is lost? She doesnt seem all that enthusiastic compared to how Millie is taking things. Maybe we should ask if there is anything she needs help with? Only asking because this Millie in blue is in some way may be a part of Millie.)
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No. 969382 ID: e51896

>>969366 6 days now
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No. 969386 ID: e51896

wasn't 60 days the amount of time needed to pass in order to be able to leave? Well at least after we wake, we can just go back home (that is, if we ever do wake up) But that was a dick move of Pink to just take our free will away for something as simple as asking Pink if they were certain they had control over the robots.

Who is Ethan, and why is he writing about us? Is he another imaginary person like the Millie in the blue suit and this imaginary place? And if he is real, how did his diary end up in our dream?

and can we kick that trash can over to calm our nerves?
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No. 969429 ID: 01af26

I dont even want to know how much pink ruined Millie's life during that long period after the drug incident. How could we have prevented that in the first place i wonder? Feels kind of unfair that we didnt get much of a chance to defend ourself before we even got started.

I guess maybe we should ask that before first waking up in the prison, we had a weird dream about a strange figure with different colored feathers or leaves on their head and a brown mask of some sort with a wine glass, and a triangle instrument and talked about conditioning. During that dream, we also had a vision of Garvin in his white jumpsuit, before we even met him. What was all that about?
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No. 969928 ID: 7d0178

So what are the flaws Millie has that this apparition says Millie needs to iron out? Granted everyone has flaws, but Millie's cant be too large of a flaw, right?
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No. 970997 ID: d63ea8

The truth is irrelevant at this point, with no way to corroborate what is being said anything could be anything.

Just take it as possible information to be inspected later. Panicking over what might or might not be real doesn't serve a purpose here.
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No. 971135 ID: e51896

Blue teddies in the trash kind of makes me think that Millie had to discard her childhood early in life, so maybe she never had a childhood in some way to begin with.

Well, If Red Millie wants to fill in the missing pieces of her memories, I suggest that Blue Millie hand over Ethan's book to Red Millie and let her write what she thinks happened. Got a pencil?

I imagine the worst possible thing happened to Millie. I think after Millie was drugged and woke up again, Millie was like a brain-dead zombie, the perfect condition Pink wanted her to be in so that Pink can brainwash Millie into becoming Pink's successor despite Millie rejecting Pink's offer to follow Pink in their shadow.

While Millie was in a zombified state, Pink probably filled Millie's head with their sick and twisted ideologies and even trained her to become stronger like Pink is. Also, Millie was probably raped by Pink most likely.

I imagine that Millie in her zombified state unfortunately may have hurt or even killed the other prisoners along the line but with Pink's favoritism over Millie, gave her all sorts of advantages to protect her from the prisoners in case they revolted.

I wonder if Pink also had control over those robots like they thought they did. What if the robots killed Pink?

Jeez, I hope Millie wakes up from this, but if not, well, at least she can enjoy this eternal vacation in her mind. Where's the beach?

But hey, here's an important question: how is blue Millie so sure Pink is a woman or not?
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No. 971246 ID: 436128

I think after pink stomped on millie's face, it broke her face and pink had to have their robots give her a facial reconstructive surgery. Except now Millie doesnt have the same face she had before.
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No. 972934 ID: e51896

I do not think Pink let us return with the others
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No. 976331 ID: e7debe

Hey, What if red Millie just remembers things by herself and not tell Blue Millie what she remembers?

Hey, do you remember if there were bandages of some sort on parts of our face from when Pink stomped on us?

Anyway, i think we searched the room to see if we had our whiteboard and markers with us somewhere in the room, and if the garbage we collected from outside was in our room as well. Also, took a peek inside the present.
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