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929115 No. 929115 ID: 70be57

Wiki https://tgchan.org/wiki/Root_and_Branches
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No. 948646 ID: e51896

Well well... this is very important to note: did you hear what Lorence said there? he said: "You have no idea what other things that is threatening existence, Andrew Goodwill isn't the only threat that is trying to become part of this world"... so this means that even Lorence himself see's the potential threat to existence that Andrew Goodwill would cause.

that is common ground that we just found with Lorence and us. Both us voices, and Lorence sees Absolution Prime, and as we just found out now, Andrew Goodwill as a threat to humanity. These are common threats he see's that we ourselves see as well even if Lorence's way of doing things is much more extreme.
And all this time we all thought that he was trying to summon Andrew and cause an end to existence like Cera and Root wanted. Lorence is well aware of the potential dangers Andrew could cause and wants to prevent that.

Ana, I would tell Lorence: "I never expected you to feel sorry for me, I already accepted my fate and was even contemplating sacrificing myself. I just wish I could have known so much earlier you saw Andrew as a threat like I do and have known much earlier that Absolution Prime was dangerous to humanity like you do. If I'd known, I could of helped you in some way... But with what little time left I have before you kill me, I want to help you now considering what we learned just now, whether you accept the help or not. I just want to do the right thing before whatever happens to me"

To show we meant what we said, tell Lorence, like I wanted you to earlier, about how Dervan uses those business cards to spy and listen in on people, like the business card Lorence has now. Dervan could have be spying on him this whole time.
The reason why I want you to do this Ana is because Lorence admitted he is paranoid, and telling him about Dervan's spying might be important for him to know if we are to form any kind of truce.

Also, I still think we need to confess about looking into the past before the Conductor himself tells Lorence himself and ruins that trust between Lorence and us that is trying to be built. Better to rip off that band-aid now and tell Lorence ourselves before he hears it from the Conductor.
No. 948653 ID: 8b660e


So, are just going to ignore the fact that he also just admitted he was the one who sent Stitch to kill us in the shop and who also maimed and possibly killed Blacky? It’s also kind of messed up when we get down to it. Lorence even got Jack the Shopkeeper as a curator now.
No. 948668 ID: e51896

If we may, I think from this point it is for the best that we should have this debate elsewhere as to not further frustrate Ana while she is focused on having a civil discussion with Lorence. https://tgchan.org/kusaba/questdis/res/107070.html Sorry to frustrate you Ana, we'll take this debate elsewhere, but we are not leaving you either. We'll still be watching over and giving you suggestions.

but the short version as to explain about that incident with Stitch, it is all about the perspective of what Lorence saw in relationship to what he knew, and what was going on, such as Logan being in the same location as Ana, and whom exactly Logan works for (Prime).
No. 948687 ID: f7ff14
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No. 948836 ID: e51896

Ana, tell Lorence "I found out too late what was going on around us in this world, and I understand what you did to my friends and me was an act of the ends justifying the means from the knowledge from previous cycles..."

"...But Lorence... with your actions of sending Stitch at me or threatening my friends, you and Root still deeply hurt and traumatized me, even to the point of us getting too scared to think logically and act in impulse trying to defend ourselves, forcing us to make bad decisions and lead us to this point of no return...

"You're one of the many people who broke me the most, Lorence, And even though I am doomed now, and you may see your actions as just, I want to know if you feel any kind remorse for your actions. After everything you did to hurt me, I just want to hear you apologize for what you did to me."

If Lorence thinks he is above an apology, Ana, tell him "look at your watch you stole from that house. it is a memento of your wife that clings you to your humanity and remember your good morals. Your wife was strong enough to apologize to you for her unforgivable actions, and you were strong enough to forgive her. I am strong enough to forgive you, but I first need to know you are strong enough to apologize. Not just to me, but to yourself."
No. 948837 ID: 8b660e


*silently watches Lorence.*
No. 948953 ID: f7ff14
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No. 949100 ID: 89ee1a

*deep sigh. And she takes a seat on the bunk.*
No. 949241 ID: e51896

Alright, I forgive Lorence. Ana, can you forgive Lorence?

Now then, lets see what Lorence want to do or say before we decide about aj.
No. 949256 ID: f7ff14
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No. 949396 ID: e51896

"Umm... hmm. I'm not sure if I should say this since Root stated he wanted to keep this fact a secret, but I think it has to do with how my voices had once tried to save Root before way back when he was still in a wheelchair with muscular dystrophy when Delilah was holding him over a flight of stairs threatening his life to let go. Derrick was there too to try to save him."

"Basically, Root mentioned once to Derrick that his life was a combination of miserable events, and before my voices and Derrick tried to save his life, he hated the world and its cruelty. but Derrick and my voices' act of trying to rescue him gave compassion to his perspective and made him want to be better."

"Maybe Root saw that he and I had a lot in common, both of us stuck in a series of miserable events, both of us having voices that guide us, both of us having the entire populace act cold towards us, all that jazz."
No. 949397 ID: efa420

Don’t forget he is also probably in love with you... or at least the idea of you... gross.
No. 949400 ID: f7ff14
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No. 949413 ID: e51896

Fuck it, I agree. lets do it. I mean, if it is the only way to save AJ...
No. 949417 ID: efa420

... alright... I’ll go with you to wherever this other place is. But then I’m coming back here, I’m not staying there.
No. 949465 ID: f7ff14
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No. 949468 ID: 8b660e

gods damn it all Fortune...

for me, it’s easy. Vengence.
No. 949871 ID: e51896

Personally I'd rather not stay, I have no desire for vengeance, just at this point want Ana safe.

I don't know, Ana. I think at this point, telling the truth about AJ might be for the best with all things going on, especially with finding out Prime is getting an upper hand in these cycle's war and getting stronger still. If anything, we might be able to balance things out... but I'm not sure... We can only hope for the best.

For my answer for Lorence, I want to tell him: we’ve sworn not to tell anyone about AJ , not because of AJ himself, but rather other people who would take an interest in him, and if those people get a hold of him, then it spells doom for the world. We only ask AJ can leave with us and live a better life and prevent being corrupted by this world.

I think Lorence will know what kind of creature AJ is after that statement...

if he asks something along the lines of why we wouldn't leave with AJ to where Dervan is in the first place, tell him It's partly because we were nervous about taking Dervan's offer at first, as we didn't know how he would try to use AJ at all once we go to him and he finds out.
No. 949884 ID: f7ff14
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No. 950006 ID: 8b660e

*seems to be really deep in thought and doesn't answer*
No. 950118 ID: e51896

Nothing can stop you now Ana. Use the card like you wanted in the first place.
No. 950147 ID: f7ff14
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No. 950161 ID: 8b660e

*from outside the door to the prison cells*
No. 950162 ID: 8b660e

*takes a deep breath*
So... what do we do then...?

What the hell? What is going on out there?
No. 950227 ID: e51896

We already knew about Ana's soul being trapped here, and frankly I don't think I even care about that anymore especially since we now can't free Ana's soul in this cycle since Wicker Kid himself said the only paths we can take now are dead ends and death if we stay in this world.

In fact, We can ask the same question they asked right back at them but a little differently: why bother trying to accomplish anything in this dimension if the only path is death and dead ends and we can't free our souls anyway?

no offense, but I'm not convinced by Wicker Kid's argument to stay. He's going to need to try a better way to convince us.
Currently, I still think we should believe in the heart of the card and escape with Dervan before Ana loses another hand.
No. 950235 ID: a37bff

I’m not so sure if this is a convincing argument, but it’s what I believe.

Wicker Kid has called us “Ana the Everchanging.” Some choices we make have the same outcomes, some have different. And it’s those changes that make us who we are in this cycle.

Every argument I’ve heard implies that every road is already planned out. That the causality of choices means we have no real choice at all. I’ve never once believed that. If every road just lead us back here, well then we need a new road out of here, and we’ll need to be ones to make it.
No. 950305 ID: f7ff14
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No. 950308 ID: 8b660e

Your guess is as good as mine on that one chief.

But listen, I’m telling you why you can’t kill her right now okay? Because she’s a key witness in the trial of Godfrey, if you kill her now you would be obstructing justice. Also and this just my own thoughts here but she also owns Godfrey a debt now. I only know as much as the cross ash knights have told me but but by the sound of things she is now indebted to them to save her life. Think about it, you have the opportunity to keep someone you obviously perceive as a threat under almost constant surveillance. And besides couldn’t you also use this as a test of loyalty to Godfrey and the Cross Ash as well? It kills two birds with one stone. I see it as saving her life, you might see it as.... I don’t know just getting things done more effeciently?
No. 950327 ID: 8b660e

It feels like giving up.. Tell him whatever you want... But let me ask him this.

"What happens to my voices? Can they stay behind? and if not, what will happen to them?"
No. 950331 ID: c7d046

Also, and this is just my own bargaining chip, mostly because I don’t want anyone else to die.

If you save her life, i will burn the painting of those religious monsters. Shit I’ll even give you the matches to do it.
No. 950367 ID: e51896

>Do you honestly think that you will find your happy ending there
no we won't, but it is a lot better than the other endings that will lead to dead ends, bad ends, and Ana's inevitable death. a happy ending is something Ana will not go into once she leaves. It's a bittersweet one. Very bitter yeah, but still sweet.

>Existing every day in that different dimension is going to affect you, like being somewhere where you don't belong and constantly searching for your place in it. That feeling will never leave you
Robbit, or the Mad Creator is a counter argument. He left both his world, and his own world that he created and never looked back. He seemed to have been doing fine.
And I'd argue this dimension Ana's in now is also a place she no longer belongs in, as nobody wants her here and would rather see her dead, and there is also no longer somewhere for her to find a place if she stays here as well.
Besides, wouldn't living with the feeling she doesn't belong is a lot better than living in constant fear and suffering until a brutal death arrives?

As for Dervan, it would be funny if you'd just jump in right now in the portal without explaining yourself and without context.
But yeah, might as well explain to Dervan that you're leaving.

...unless you want to just jump in? I'll leave the decision to explain yourself or just jump in to you Ana.

We're not taking no for an answer.
No. 950372 ID: c7d046

No don’t just jump in, Dervan might take it as a threat if we do that.

Ana, let me ask you something before you do. What is important to you?
No. 950398 ID: f7ff14
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No. 950404 ID: 2e9fd7

Alright, i'll take it. And the reason I offered to destroy them is because you said they were dangerous. I'll try not to be long. If anything happens though i'll let you know.

*goes insides*

Wow! It's you! You're Ana! So glad to finally meet you!
No. 950405 ID: 2e9fd7

Unanimously... shit...

what the- who's this?
No. 950406 ID: 2e9fd7

Wait, this is that anthony guy! The guy who was a spirit parasite that other timeline. What is he doing here?
No. 950495 ID: e51896

I am all for Ana leaving, as it was her choice in the first place to escape. Ana very rarely makes a choice for herself, and I'm glad she is making decisions for herself instead of asking us to choose this time. I want to support Ana to make her own choices.

But I suppose at the moment Ana and Scarred is busy talking to Anthony the person we met when we were at Cera's meeting, I guess we have to wait a little until our final decision...

In the meantime, there is something important I want to talk about: I'm am not concerned about Wicker Kid being able to hear us voices. What I'm concerned about is the fact that Wicker Kid is well aware of who the Mad Creator is, Or rather, more specifically, I'm concerned over Wicker Kid's reaction when I mentioned the Mad Creator's name.

To answer your question Wicker Kid, I only brought up The Mad Creator in the conversation to show as an example of someone who left his universe to live his life away from his fate and living decently as a counter argument to your argument of wanting Ana to stay. But that is besides the point.

What I'm more interested in is asking about your reaction when I mentioned the Mad Creator, Wicker Kid. Why did your eyes bulged like you were shocked or maybe with fear when I brought the Mad Creator up? Your reaction was big enough to even cause you to slip up and reveal that you could hear us voices all along. Is there something about the Mad Creator that you are keeping from us? What is it?

I think you should know right now, that the Mad Creator was arrested earlier and brought in for questioning over his suspicious and potentially dangerous actions in this universe. I'm thinking by your reaction to hearing me mention the Mad Creator's name, it may have reminded you of how you perhaps heard or even witnessed him first hand doing some things that are forbidden in this universe? hmmm...

Dervan, your opinion please, what do you think of Wicker Kid's reaction? Do you think he might know something that could be useful in regards to the Mad Creator's arrest?

(inner thoughts: Is Dervan still looking for demons? it's vague, but I remember something about a person owning a bicycle that was possessed by a demon or something... It's foggy, but I have a memory of it...)
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No. 950523 ID: 8b660e
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Well, mostly I draw people I see in my dreams. A big eyeball god guy said he was ancestor and it’s from him I get this power. It’s pretty much random who I see though, even the event itself sometimes it’s things that have happened, or are happening, or somethings that could be.

*pulls out a sketchbook and begins to draw*

But recently I found that certain people were using my drawings to hurt others.

*turns back to the door and sneers*

But recently the realized that I have a gift and I can help a lot of people with it, in fact it was you who inspired me to do so. A lot of the events I see you are the focal point, and well I guess you can you’re my hero. You showed me that you always strive to do good and do the right things for others. It really is something to be admired.

And that’s why I want a chance to save you, because without realizing it, you and your voices, yes I know about them, you guys saved me. And I owe you a debt. I figure that’s Dervan right? I don’t know who the guy is with branches sticking out of his head is though. But I’ve dreamt of Dervan, and Triumphant, and Daro before. So I know them, at least, somewhat.

Anyway, here’s what I wanted to propose. See you’re here in the bunker city as a prisoner, but the thing is they let you go if you join them. A lot of people here are more servants of circumstances than anything. But you, you can choose who to serve. And I’m come with an idea for it too.

Join Godfrey and the Cross Ash Knights. Say you owe him a debt for saving your life earlier and you would join him as payment. Plus if you did that you would also be saving Godfrey too! But if you died now, Lorence would be in even more deep crap than he already is. As your death by his hands is an obstruction of justice in the case of Godfrey.

The way I see it now this is one where everyone wins in someway. If you agree I can get the cross ash down here and they will get you out of here.

That’s why I’m here now, please let me save you the way you saved me.

*tears out the page.*
Oh by the way Dervan this is for you
No. 950554 ID: ba3f1d

*is almost shocked into silence.*
No. 950689 ID: e51896

My questions are for Wicker Kid: Is the Mad Creator and Andrew closely connected then? It can't be a coincidence that Andrew being stuck here and the Mad Creator being born is the same day. Also, why are you so concerned about Ana leaving when you were so perfectly fine with incinerating her to ash and ending her life earlier.
And my question for Dervan: when you first gave us your card, you said we can bring up to 10 people with us. Is that still on the table? because maybe we can take Laura, Dreamwalker, and Anthony with us, that is if they want to come with us...

Anyway, in my opinion, Ana worked her hardest to get this second chance to escape this world. And I know Ana wants more than anything to leave right now, and I don't want to deny her of her chance and her right to leave as this is her choice, not ours. I want to support her making decisions for herself. I just don't think Ana wants to be a soldier or a barbarian in this world at this point. Really, I think she is no longer in any condition to be any kind of hero both physically and mentally even if she wanted to. She has been abused so much that it messed up her hand, and her mental state and perspective. I think she just wants nothing more than to not be a part of the mayhem and get away from the cruelty of others and just live in peace.

And sadly, this is my thoughts, I don't think that joining Godfrey is going to save Ana. The order to kill Ana came from Cera herself which is I think someone higher up than Lorence. Joining Godfrey is just going to probably raise suspicions as Godfrey is already being arrested for helping Ana in the first place. And Lorence is far too suspicious of Ana to allow her to join at this point. If she wants to join, she'd need to convince Cera.

But Ana, I want to hear your thoughts on what Anthony's offer
and I also want you to at relay these messages to Anthony please: If I leave, please find and protect the blind woman named Laura. At this moment, the world is transitioning into a place unsuitable for pacifists, heroes, and saints like Laura, and with her forming a pact with Dreamwalker and being part of a significant battle, she is becoming a person of interest for people with malicious intent to her and Dreamwalker's life. It is best for you and your allies like Godfrey to protect her with your lives. She is more important than you realize

I wonder what Anthony will do with Dervan's business card.
No. 950725 ID: f7ff14
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No. 950726 ID: ba3f1d

I- I...
No. 950728 ID: ba3f1d

Escape would be nice, but it’s... Not realistic. If I go then I’ll want to take people with me and they’ll want to take their people. It’s a wonderful fantasy, but...

Hey, wait a second. You do know what will happen to your voices if you go right...? Didn’t Dervan or- those other guy, tell you? Dervan knows, I saw him in a dream where you took this option. He knows what will happen to them.

They’ll fade away. Eventually they’re voices get more and more distant and soon it will seem they will disappear all together. Except they won’t, they will still be there, and... you’ll be condemning them to silence and eventual madness. I don’t even think they’ll die, they’ll be screaming for help for someone to hear them out. But no one will hear them.

So, if you go... Well I don’t blame you for wanting to go, but I don’t know if I could do that... Sometimes life is just hard, it’s unfair, and it’s cruel. But it doesn’t mean we have to accept that. We can try to make it better.
No. 950735 ID: ba3f1d

There’s always a fucking catch isn’t there...?

Well before I give my answer, Fortune what do you think? You’ve been very vocal about this.
No. 950867 ID: e51896

If I must sacrifice myself to save Ana, I will. I'm not afraid. I've already lived my life in my cycle. There is no need for me to linger on anymore. Ana surviving is our main mission after all...

And I've been thinking... is reality falling apart through "glitches" something we should truly be afraid of? I know the concept of corrupting this world to become unstable through "glitches" sounds terrifying on paper, but considering if what Lorence said is true about this being a world with no good endings with all the lives and outcomes that were lived through in mind, then what if Ana leaving to cause these "glitches" are something that needs to happen now more than ever if a new route to a good ending for this world is ever to happen? what if the "glitches" if utilized the right way and very carefully is the only way to make things better?

There is this old saying that comes to mind here, "You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs". With this in mind, there are gamers out there that exploits glitches, sometimes game breaking glitches, to get very interesting outcomes or results to help them win. There are even cases where gamers exploit glitches to achieve and discover results and secrets never thought possible (https://www.twitch.tv/vinesauce/clip/StupidBusyOtterKippa?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxz5qwmuxs4).
It is just a matter of how the person knows how to use and caculate these glitches or corruptions and how carefully they do so to lead to the results needed, like maybe a better outcome never seen before for this world for example?

Ana, if Scarred chooses you to leave, I want you to ask Anthony, if he wants, to guide and protect Laura. Ask him to get help from allies like Godfrey and his men to protect Laura once he saves Godfrey. Tell him the first thing he must do is find somebody to watch over Laura while he tries to save Godfrey's life in some way. Ask Anthony to help Laura find her father, as I feel that her journey to find her father may just lead her to decide this world's fate. Ana might not be the one to save this world, but Laura might...
...and ask him to keep Dervan's card... Matilda might need it for the trial if he is going to save Godfrey, (but only as a last resort).

...That said, Scarred, I can't make your choice for you. I already gave my answer and my reasoning, It is you who now has the final answer to this final offer. With consideration to everything you learned here through this long journey, what Ana went through, and how everyone feels in their perspectives with this choice, It is up to you to choose now, Scarred. I want you to think carefully with considerations to everything we've been through. And once you've thought of your answer, give it a little more thought to be sure you want that choice.

And Wicker Kid, the final question I'll ask you in closing as I can't shake this feeling, were you one of the six kids from that fateful Halloween Party?

No. 950870 ID: 8b660e

Alright. Here’s my thoughts on all of this.

No, we shouldn’t go. And we shouldn’t trust Dervan with this option either. If can use your own arguments against you for a moment to make you consider something. You said that we as “glitches” can be harmful to this world, and yet at the same time glitches can be used to achieve newer and better ways to win, well isn’t that exactly what we’ve doing this whole time for Ana? But that’s just the thing, we aren’t glitches and we aren’t bits of bad data. We’re people, we have thoughts and feelings and desires and wants. Our feelings are just as valid as anyone else’s, and to be thought of as otherwise is unfair. Also, what Anthony said means that somewhere even in this cosmic reality we live in, Ana took that choice, and did leave. That’s not a glitched ending then and it’s also not patching the glitches out. It’s just another ending choice and it will bring her back here in the end. We’ve essentially gained nothing and left behind all the people who trusted us now. It’s not a full solution and is essentially just putting a bandaid on much bigger wound.

I know Ana may be tired and exhausted and scared. But that’s what we are here for. We are the ones who need to be the ones to pull her through when life is tough and cruel. To leave now would defeat the entire purpose of us existing and to give up on her potential and her growth. What’s more is Wicker Kid said called her “Ana, The ever changing.” Which means she infinite potential to grow and become better to quit now would be to quit her. Ana often compares herself to you and I, but I want her to be bette than I was, and I want her to be the one who decides for herself in the end, just as much as you do. In the end all we can do is tell her our feelings and what we think is best. She decides in the end whether or not to follow through.

But as for why we can’t trust Dervan with this. It’s very clear now he was withholding that bit of information from us. He wanted that choice to look more appealing but he did so at the request of Lorence. Someone whohas made it very clear that he wants us gone at any means necessary. He would even advocate for killing someone if it meant keeping the status quo. He may be more understandable now, but that doesn’t excuse his actions as a murderer. If Dervan is willing to defend those actions for pay or other personal gain he would be willing to hurt others for those reasons as well. If I may be blunt, Dervan is a text book case of a sociopath.
A sociopath has traits that fit him like a glove. Glibness and a pathological liar, being a master manipulator, having a grandiose sense of self importance and often seeing things as “their right.” And lastly shallow emotions and lack of empathy. We cannot afford to give Ana to someone like this, I know you want her safety and her best interest, and it’s also for those same reasons I am unable to trust Dervan with this choice.
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No. 950889 ID: ba3f1d

You know I can’t actually hear Ana’s voices, but from what I gather, one of them called Dervan a sociopath? That’s kinda funny, and it sounds like he is withholding information. Especially because I never actually told anyone about the truth about that drawing, not even the person I gave it to. So my guess is you got that information from that lanky gal in the robes with spikes coming out of her back. I know she was spying on me and giving out information. So I can’t help but wonder what the connection between you two is.
No. 951080 ID: 2e9fd7

That choice must be yours to make Ana. What both of us want is for you to be confident enough to make that decision. If you do take Anthonys offer I can say that Godfrey is a good man, he was my master and who trained me.

Hmm. Fortune, wasn't Scarlet the name of one of Essence's cronies?
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